Conference back40::soapbox

    
    I'm agin 'em.
    

    That's the spirit!

    
    <---- shuddup, you!
    

    
    
    How about that "Thumper Index"!!!!! Huh???!!!
    

	title fixed for Mr. Battis.

    
    Thanks Di, did I forget a letter, as usual?

    Are we supposed to write letters now before we create a note?

    
    
    Dear Moderator......

    
    ...With regard to your totally arbitrary deletion of my note...
    

    ... I would like to take this opportunity to take umbrage...

    
    ...with your Bonapartiste tactics...
    

    
    farakahn does them.
    

    
    ...and your francophile snobery...

    
    ...and your French shrubbery...
    

    
    .12
    
    I wonder how long that will stay in here before the mods delete
    it for an <r.o.>

    
    .12
    
    Not long, that was quick

    
    !joan and Glenn, I am getting just a little ticked off at your
    total lack of caring for the above mentioned topic. Now, please get
    with the program, or I will be forced to sing in this topic.
    
    your friend
    
    Mark

    
    re: .15
    
    >...and your French shrubbery...
    
    
    ... and your lovely filth...
    

    
    Oh, it's a sad time when bands of ruffians can say "ni"
    to old ladies.
    
    -b

    ... And your high falootin' conference announcements. We're all
    impressed down here I can tell you...

    
    SING?!?!  Here?  HA!!!!  Mark, you ain't got the GUTS!!!
    

    
    I'm-a waitin', song-boy!
    

    
    I'm thinking of a proper Bary manilow or Kenny Roger's song to 
    sing. You will be sorry you challenged me, yes you will.

    
    Bury Manilow?   Kenny Roger's who?
    

    ... So, can I have my note back please? I beg you, acquiesce to my
    heartfelt plea!...

    
    will Tiny Tim suffice?

    
    Oh no. Now you've done it Mark. You have forced Mz. Deb to
    refresh your memory about apostrophe usage. It is your fate.
    I hope you can live with yourself.

    -b

    
    the wrath of mz_deb shouldn't be seen by mere mortal men.

    
    Okay... let's start again..
    
    
     Dear Moderator....
    

    re: .29 I've heard keyboards tremble at the thought.

    
    ...I would like to call your attention to the fact that...
    

    ... your thighs seem so soft and supple...

    
    .....just like poutine....
    

    
    ...and yet, are strong and demanding...
    

    
    RE: -1

    One of my favorite "one-liners" from a song is by David Bowie
    in some Tin Machine song (forget which song, sorry, but it's
    on the first Tin Machine album)...

    	"Heaven lies
    	 between your marbled thighs"

    -b

    ... and when you walk it appears to be quite hilarious...

    
    ...none of which has anything to do with the issue I would like to 
    address at this time, which is...
    

    
    	... termite flatulence.
    

    
    Specifically...
    

    
    ...the way your scrunch up your nose when you chew...

    
    ...drives me to distraction (admittedly, an easy feat)...
    

    
    ...whenever you eat ice cream... which you evidently think, enhances...
    

    
    ...the arbitrary nature of...
    

    
    ...your discounts at the dry cleaners...

    
    ...which, incidentally, is NOT very environmentally friendly of you...
        

    
    ... especially since the hole in the ozone layer has...
    

...three holes....

    
    ...allowing you to carry it like a six-pack...
    

    
    ...from room to room.  By the way...
    

...or a bowling ball....

    
    ...but I digress...

..and will undress...

    ... if plied with enough alcoholic beverages and massaging...

...i will scream like a banshie (sp?)....

In Mr Haag's absence:

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!

    ... but then I will pull myself together and forget the SheepShagger,
    and next I shall arise from the Porcelain God & complete my ablutions. 
    As for the matter of termite flatulence, ...
    

...and from this time on, the porcelin God will be just a god, to not upset the
rr....

    ...because we all know how easily railroads are upset, just look at the
    latest news from Amtrak...

.....a derailment, and no drugs present.....

    ...So, may I have my note back before I....

    
    scream, no

    Dear Moderators,
    
    We are up to reply number 63 and we have yet to address exorcism in any
    way, shape, form or spirit (so to speak).  I suggest we designate this
    topic as...

    
    ... "How to drive a Mod Crazy"... this way...
    

    
      Well, the trouble is, none of us know the proper incantations.
    
      Maybe Covert has them somewhere in his copious files.
    
      bb

    
    	... follow the bouncing ball ...
    

...watch out for the girl spewing pea soup with impunity...

    ...do not taunt Happy-Fun Ball...

    No, the replies to this topic are right on the mark.  What have been
    witnessing is a spontaneous exorcism of silly replies.  The dementia
    associated with terminally puerile banality is manifesting itself here. 
    Carry lads n' lasses.  Purge yourself.  
    
    Brian

    
    <---  The devil!     =:^o
    

    I refuse to carry lads.

    
    I believe he meant to say "carry lamps and lassos".
    

    
    I believe he really meant to say, "Marry tramps, with glass eyes"

    
    ...the way you encourage the participants to be banal seems...

    
    somehow appropriate

	The traditional Anglican prayer for the close of day is
	an exorcism:

	Visit, we beseech thee, O Lord, this habitation: Drive
	far from it all snares of the enemy; let thy holy angels
	dwell herein to preserve us in peace, and let thy blessing
	be ever upon us.  Through Jesus Christ our Lord.  Amen.

    "your mother sucks socks in hell" - SNL Lorraine Newman (sp?)

please, no more "chain" replies.

if you want to do this, if you think it's really neat, please open
a notesfile of your own.  

here it only wastes.  wastes disk space.  wastes network bandwidth.
wastes people's time, even non-participants.  wastes cpu cycles.

please, for once, think before you type "WRITE" or "REPLY".
\john

    Since soapbox gets purged once a year or so, what is all the brouhaha
    about disk space?
    
    If being banal gives some a chuckle and yeah verily even helps some get
    through the day making them happier workers, why can't it be seen as
    anything other than waste?

5:1  And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the
 Gadarenes.
5:2  And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the
 tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
5:3  Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not
 with chains:
5:4  Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the
 chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces:
 neither could any man tame him.
5:5  And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs,
 crying, and cutting himself with stones.
5:6  But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
5:7  And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus,
 thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
5:8  For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
5:9  And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is
 Legion: for we are many.
5:10  And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the
 country.
5:11  Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine
 feeding.
5:12  And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we
 may enter into them.
5:13  And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out,
 and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into
 the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
5:14  And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the
 country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
5:15  And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil,
 and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were
 afraid.

    
      So, you need pigs ?
    
      bb

    
    > Hath God spoken?
    
    aaaahhhh....pretty close.
    ;-)
    

    
    ... and deviled eggs.

	...son of Sam...

    flying pigs only

    
    well, since I created this topic, I must now dutifully answer for it
    as well. This topic, is no worse than "Things to Lick Today" or 
    the ever popular "Is Barney Satan". I mean really, my topic isn't
    even close to being soapbox worthy in comparision to those classics.
    
    I apologize for taking up precious disk space. I will dutifully go
    and delete myself now. Goodbye Soapbox, I knew you
    when..........................
    
    Mark

    
    Daaaiiiissyyyyyyyyyy, Daaaaaiiiiiisssyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy,
    Giiiiivvvvvvvve mmmmeeeeeeeeeee yyyyoooouuuurrrrrrrrrrr
    aaaannnnssssweerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
    

re: .88

Sure other people start a "what my belly button lint tasted like today"
topic.  So what?  If Billy jumped off a bridge, would you?

Soapbox doesn't "get recycled every year".  It gets recycled when the
disk fills up.  Duh.  If all you want is 400K blocks of "<--- REALLY
GREAT NOTE" and "What My Dog Coughed Up Today" that's fine.  Your wish
is coming true.

I didn't say I was deleting the notes.

I said "please think".
\john

    Do not taunt Happy-Fun-Mod...  8^)

    oi hedleynob,
    
    where've you been ya boozed up dirty smelly northerner!!

    What does this have to do with creamed lemming on toast?

    not sure.

    i say this is America and if someone wants to start a note they have
    the inalienable right to do so and should feel comfortable with that
    right and not expect to be attacked by pinko-commie, fatherless pseudo-
    intellectuals who think that everything in this repository of the
    people needs to be deep, meaningful, logical, sincere, nice, PC,
    etc.
    
    that's all i have to say about that. 

    Oiu, a bas les Bonapartistes!!
    
    (... and yes, the first word was a mistyped oui, but I thought it
    should stand, as it looked like "Oy!" and might annoy the Goombahs)
    |-{:-)
    

    
      So since when is Harn the Disk o' Duck ?  Is he an exorcist ?
    
      bb

    
    
    Perhaps it's because he is the keeper of the disk and has a vested
    interest in not having to take the time to set up the file again.  I'm
    sure there are a few thousand other things John would rather do.......
    
    
    Mike

    
    
    
    And I am not casting a stone, because I am as guilty as anyone else of
    perpetuating these notes.  I have cut down after giving some thought to
    the subject.  Although I used to love to give John a run for his money
    (right John? :')).  
    
    
    Mike

    
    Maybe we should move this conversation to topic 6 snarf.
    

    What difference does it make what the contents is? Disk space is disk
    space. And with the shrinkage of the company the amount of activity in
    here has dropped significantly. If I post a 1000 line article, this is
    fine, but a 2 line quip is wasting space?

    
      Well, JH, to exorcise the excess, you have to
    
       (a) turn frenchly arbitrary, or
    
       (b) get a pig
    
    
       bb

    >What difference does it make what the contents is?
    
     This reads like your mission statement in posting notes. :-)

    8^)

re: .104

It's not funny, it's damned pathetic.

If you think other people read Soapbox to see your infantile replies,
think again.  They TOLERATE it because there are some interesting,
well-reasoned, well-written notes to be found in and around the
droppings you (and many others) leave.

Soapbox being the sum of participants' writings, it's a real garbage pit.

\john

    	Forget it \john.
    
    	I tried pointing this out elsewhere, and I think that the
    	response to me from certain people was to pick up the pace
    	of the juvenile entries.
    
    	Perhaps because of that your current annoyance is my fault.

    
    \john
    
     I wouldn't be too harsh here...
    
    Some people articulate better in person than across the keyboard. I,
    for one, am like that. My typing skills leave much to be desired and I
    can't type fast/clearly/succinctly enough to get my thoughts across
    before they're gone... I realize it's a failing, but there it is...
    
      I therefore stay away from a too detailed synposis of any sort of
    argument/discussion in here, simply because the mind is willing, but
    the fingers/keystrokes aren't...
    
      I can hold my own verbally/face-to-face, but alas, in here I'm
    chopped liver...
    
      I really think you should take things like that into account...
    
    
     Just my .02 cents worth..
    

    re. .105
    
    Hi,
    
    I'm new to this note, and I find it very entertaining, you mods should
    be proud!
    
    Peace,  JGS

   .107  the bulk of the "juvenile" entries are from people who
	 can express themselves extremely well when they choose to.

	 also, your note is something of a verbal irony, imo.

<-------<grin>

     re: .109
    
    Why? Because I was articulate? Believe me dear... as long as it's one
    page with 18 or so lines, there's no problem... I would love to debate
    some of the meatier entries in here, but I explained why not...
    
    If you feel that's "verbal irony", so be it... Whatever floats your
    boat..
    
    Now, take .110 for instance... "juvenile" and "extremely well" would be
    an oxymoron in his case...
    

    Well, now that I've been demonized, who is willing to exorcise me?

  .111  I understand what you mean, Andy.  I meant the "verbal irony"
	comment as a compliment.

    it doesn't matter anyway, andy, cuz you're a mensch.

    
    re: .113
    
    See what I mean Di!!! I can't even read straight, let alone type
    straight!!! :) :)
    
    re: .114
    
    Sez you!!!!!   :) :) :) :)
    

    
    well if /john is right, soapbox would only be 15-20 topics long.
    
    besides, if you wanted to only hear interesting, well written, thought
    out responses, join the friends notesfile. :-)
    
    Lighten up already, christ this ain't the end of the world.

    
    \john
    
    Why is it lately, that whenever you note, it is to rag the box denizens
    of their inane, assinine comments etc.......   While I realize you
    don't note in here often, you could help by writing some of those
    earlier thoughts yourself.  You sure didn't come across to me in
    person, the way you sound in here lately.
    
    Mark

    
    TTWA:
    
    Is it possible to have a "serious" discussion about "juvenile"
    behaviour?
    

re: .116

Well, you clearly value Soapbox, and the occasional nugget, less than I do.

Too bad you can't spare the cycles to try to see it from another perspective.
\john

re: .117

Because the occurence of the "garbage reply" has gone way up, and
the friendly cajoling of the participants is no longer sinking in.

Besides, if you recall how this started, it was a plea for people
to "PLEASE THINK" before noting.

Do you somehow think that's too harsh?  Too large a request?  Well,
we clearly know the answer.

\john

    Ah, it's a matter of perspective, a philosophy. I'm sure Mark values
    soapbox every bit as much.

    
    john
    
    
    Last word on the subject, promise. I do value soapbox, who are you to
    say less than you do?? Pretty pompous of you to make that remark.
    also, you keep mixing me up with Glenn. I will make an extra effort
    to keep my assinine comments to, say two a day. Ok??
    
    mark

    Awww I see nothing has changed in soapbox land.

re: .122

I doubt seriously yours (or mine) will be the last word on this.

No, I don't keep confusing you and Glenn.  I believe the note
attributions, and the content delivered, are as intended.

And with respect to valuing Soapbox, I confess that I'm "calling them
as I see them."  I relish the though of being shown I'm mistaken.

\john

    asinine. /hth
    
    And why not supplant your asinine comments with comments indicative of
    reason, thoughtfulness and a sense of responsibility. Throwing one
    empty soda can out your window is clearly not the end of the world, but
    if you are dumping out garbage bags full, and so are others, what does
    that say about how you value your environment? 
    
    There's nothing to say that length is a determinant of the worth of a
    note; wit frequently manifests itself concisely. The notes a person
    posts form the basis of a person's electronic persona; we all ought to
    keep this in mind when posting. Are we projecting the image we really
    want to project? Something to keep in mind.

    | I confess that I'm "calling them as I see them."

    This is the heart of the matter. Has nothing to do with disk space or
    CPU cycles.

    |I relish the though of being shown I'm mistaken.

    And I relish the thought of not having to wear asbestos clothing. 

    ;^)

    > And I relish the thought of not having to wear asbestos clothing.
    
     That, sir, is entirely under your control.

    
    .125
    
    Thanks Doc, I knew I could count on your spelling. Good note.

re: .126

No, it DOES have to do with CPU and disk and network and time.  It is
the "waste" of these things that makes the notes so frustrating.  It
is the (apparent) disregard of EVERYTHING but "what i want to say,
where and how i want to say it."

If you want to believe that every reply is equal to every other reply,
fine.  We won't get very far.  If you believe, as I do, that some replies
shouldn't ever leave the keyboard, then it's up to all of us to find that
line and be reasonable about what we post.

And that's all I'm asking.  To PLEASE THINK before you post.  Geez, you'd
think I was asking for world peace or something.

\john

    
    >Geez, you'd think I was asking for world peace or something.
    
    "John A Harney... the new Arafat!!"
    

    replies, wonderful, title, redeeming. /hth
    
    >was the level of wit that resident as well as the provoking conversation. 
    
    You're on your own with this one. :-)

    re: .129
    
    As far as the computer is concerned they are equal. If this notesfile
    was archived, then I would see your point. If this was a work related
    file on a busy cluster, I would agree wholeheartedly. 

    Surely you don't think I believe that all replies are the same. All I'm
    saying is that not everyone sees things the same way. I have been
    noting in soapbox for a little over 2 years and one of the main things
    that attracted me to it was the level of wit that's resident as well as
    the provoking conversation. A blend exists here that is unusual to say
    the least, opposing views constantly clashing etc. I enjoy all of it and
    it has given me a chance to meet some wonderful and interesting people
    that I never would have met otherwise.

    The moderators of this conference do a great job, for this I have no
    complaints. People get on their soapbox and gripe about whatever and
    argue about whatever, and, heaven forbid laugh about whatever. It's all
    fair game isn't it? If it is not, then explain it to me or change the
    mission statement of this forum or it's tittle to
    ::serious_nuggets_preferably_of_redeming_value.

    
    
    Di??? Teach the man how to do it right!!!!
    
    :)
    

Hey guys, lighten up a bit; Soapbox isn't that bad, despite the abundance
of fluff notes.  There's worse conferences out there, in fact I bowed out
of one just today because it's been so badly trashed by a minority of
individuals.  I think that the 'box has a long way to go before sinking
to those depths...

Chris.

| <<< Note 568.111 by SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI "Been complimented by a toady lately?" >>>

| Now, take .110 for instance... "juvenile" and "extremely well" would be
| an oxymoron in his case...

	I think Andy is stalking me..... how scarey.....good thing it's close
to Halloween! (although some stores have Christmas stuff out already)


Glen

    Well, I guess I just don't know about the glory years. I suppose had I
    gone into Ye Olde Soapboxe I would have been driven out, but Soapbox as
    it is now has not. So I share my maggot infested refuse with impunity
    here and make some people laugh and other people tilt.

    
    >I think Andy is stalking me.....
    
    
    
    Don't flatter yourself...

    .137
       | So I share my maggot infested refuse with impunity
       | here
    
    ...and Glenn, you're such a good sharer!!  :-)

    Why thank you.... I think.

                                  
 John, Doctah, probably others:

 You wanna know what *I* (would) think (if I only had a brain)?
    
 I thought not.  :^)

 In any case...your points are valid; bubblingly, frothingly so.  And so, too,
 are Glenn's and Mark's.  I think that most participants here are as concerned
 with their "electronic personae" as you are; perhaps moreso.  Personae that,
 like their non-electronic counterparts, may have many facets.  This is true
 from the densest of inorganic 'boxers through to "those who count".  And the
 facets of a persona are often, like the facets on a gemstone, inseparable
 (although `insufferable' is probably the word you'd prefer here ;^).  Am I
 irreverent or serious?  Am I wacky or passionate?  Am I clever or dull?  Am
 I interesting or boring?

 I guess that depends upon who you talk to, the day of the week, or even my
 caffeine intake.  It probably happens that I'm a little of each; EACH an
 aspect of my persona.

 Those many facets are what manifest themselves here, and especially so due to
 the almost "Brownian Motion" style of conversation that goes on in this forum.
 One word might set *you* off in this direction, another word might set *me*
 off in that direction.  Who can predict it?  Not I.

 But such is the case.  Important topics are neglected, even by the 'box
 intelligentsia.  Frivolous topics abound and thrive, roping in even the most
 jaded and cynical curmudgeon.  Disk space and bandwidth are consumed in
 earnest by un-brief news briefs, NRA propoganda, friends sharing a private
 laugh, enemies fighting over minor issues, endless prattling on about OJ's
 golf game, who parked where, what wines I drank, my cat, my children, and,
 of course, the ubiquitous spelling and grammatical corrections.  Many of these
 things strike me as being a waste.  But they are there, they are part of the
 landscape, and given the current population of the 'box, I submit that they
 are an *inevitable* part of the landscape.  Maybe *you* don't care about my
 cat or my bicycle.  Maybe *you* don't find my jokes funny.  Maybe *you* don't
 care what movie I saw last night, or what I thought of it.  Maybe Mark and
 Glenn do.  This happens, face-to-face as well as electronically.

 It's one thing to disagree with what I say; it's another thing to disagree
 with the very act of my saying it.  I think very carefully about *every* word
 I post here (spelling not-usually-withstanding).  Often, I work very hard on
 my notes, deleting them instantly, choosing not to post them even after going
 to the trouble of typing them; and I think you have underestimated the degree
 to which others do the same.  Especially so, given the almost certain fact
 that no matter what one says in here, there will be someone who takes issue
 with it.

 Those many facets.  Package deals, sometimes.  Like, the way some ethnic
 groups wave their hands around when they talk.  Still those hands, and they
 shut right up.

 Different people use this forum for different reasons, but ultimately everyone
 stands up and says what they think, on varying issues, to varying degrees, and
 with varying levels of competence.  To try, even by subtle (or not so subtle)
 pressure, to distill the contents of this file could, IMHO, result in a dry
 forum peopled by a smug in-crowd.

 If that were to happen...well...I'd probably stop bothering.

 Just my $0.02, fwiw.

 HAVING SAID ALL THAT...I think, too, that ALL of the participants in this
 forum could maybe possibly perhaps be just an itsy bitsy teeny weeny little
 bit more cognizant of the fact that the mods have to read everything posted
 here, and perhaps take that into account when letting their fingers do the
 talking.

 However, at the end of the day, Soapbox should remain a place where anyone
 can stand up and say (just about) any damned stupid thing they want, and
 subsequently stand or fall by their wits alone.

 jc

    
    If the likes of Mr. Richardson are poo-poo'd in these here
    parts, then these here parts aren't worth the $#!+ it would
    take to bury 'em. If hassling queers and speculating
    what that massive Brentwood cornhole with the two letter name
    is going to do next is what this conference is all about, this
    conference deserves to die a miserable death.
    
    GO GLENN!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    -b

	The Richardsons are gentlemen and ladies. Not to mention they are all
schollars, and babes/babettes. They are witty, intelligent, and above all,
honest. Please leave them alone peoples..... 



Glen

re -1

>schollars 

scholar

NNTTM


\C

    Meanwhile... I understand that one of the steps in becoming a Catholic
    priest is Exorcist.  (I was an altar boy once, maybe twice!)  I was
    also told by a priest that anyone who is baptized can never be possesed
    and therefore will never need an exorcism... Not to change the subject
    or anything...
    
    ...one of the signs of needing an exorcism is hairy knuckles...
    
    
    JGS

    
    .141 & others
    
    !joan, I was touched by your note, truely. But, I'm just a little
    miffed, that only Glenn was mentioned by mr. markey as being a funny
    noter. I am going to hold my breath until I turn blue, go pout in
    a corner, etc..... Nah, why bother. 
    
    jc, did bring up ssome valid points, soapbox is not just for the elite
    or creme de creme of intelligence. It is also for lowlifes, such as
    myself to express ones inner most thoughts. Even stupid ones, if you
    take that away from people, you might as well close the damn file.
    
    I also appreciate the job our mods do, I think they are very fair
    and non-biased for the most part. I also have had the distinct pleasure
    of meeting all three in person. ok, let the mudslinging
    begin............

    glenn's contributions are absolutely fabulous.  case closed.

       Sweetie, darling.

    
    .148
    
    Did Glenn pay you to say that.

    god, i miss that show. :-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
    
    .150  no money changed hands...

    
    Don't feel badly Mark... I mentioned Glenn because he seemed to
    be the specific target of those who are complaining. I also
    think Glenn holds the highest-per-capita rate of near-panty
    wettings-from-laughter in this forum, but there are many
    others who contribute with good humor, you among them.
    
    -b

    re Glenn being "the specific target" - too bad you can't
       read better.  John started out making a general request
       that people think before writing notes.  BFD.

    Well, he may have started out with a general request, but then he got
    somewhat personal in .105. I'd say I was targetted, wouldn't you?

    
    Yes, exactly. I'll take 100 Glenn droppings for each "serious"
    note about effing OJ anyday...
    
    -b

    
    Ironically, we are now involved in a serious discussion.
    
    Caught in the web of life!
    

	Glenn, you weren't "the specific target" of John's (or anyone
	else's) "complaints", which is what Brian was saying.

    
    Well, we read .105 differently then Lady Di...

    -b

>    Meanwhile... I understand that one of the steps in becoming a Catholic
>    priest is Exorcist.  (I was an altar boy once, maybe twice!)  I was
>    also told by a priest that anyone who is baptized can never be possesed
>    and therefore will never need an exorcism... Not to change the subject
>    or anything...
    
    Your priest contradicts the Bible.  Baptism doesn't seal the believer
    with the Holy Spirit, salvation does.  He is correct though is saying
    that the Holy Spirit and demons cannot co-reside.  Getting wet doesn't
    save you.
    
    Mike

	"you (and many others)" means that Glenn is "the specific
	target"?  yeah, we read it differently all right.  

| <<< Note 568.155 by MPGS::MARKEY "Fluffy nutter" >>>


| Yes, exactly. I'll take 100 Glenn droppings for each "serious"

	Guess Brian is taking a trip to Canada soon..... 

| <<< Note 568.157 by PENUTS::DDESMAISONS "person B" >>>


| Glenn, you weren't "the specific target" of John's (or anyone else's) 
| "complaints", which is what Brian was saying.

	Milady, if .105 wasn't referencing .104, then I would have agreed with
you. But seeing it did, I can't.


Glen

| <<< Note 568.159 by OUTSRC::HEISER "watchman on the wall" >>>

| Getting wet doesn't save you.

	But it can be an experience.....

    re; Glenn droppings... that some kinda fertilizer or something.

	Milady, if .105 wasn't referencing .104, then I would have agreed with
you. But seeing it did, I can't.

	oh, for cryin' out loud, if you want to think that Glenn
	was "THE specific target", go right ahead - have it your way.
	whatever makes you happy.

	it does indeed

	re: it does indeed


	great - that's all that matters then.

    I'm happy too.

>                  <<< Note 568.163 by BIGQ::SILVA "Diablo" >>>
>
>| Getting wet doesn't save you.
>
>	But it can be an experience.....
    
    ...but infants don't remember being sprinkled.

    
    	Well, for one thing, infants don't remember much of anything.
    
    	And for another thing, Mike, I think you took Glenn's reply a
    	little too seriously.
    

| <<< Note 568.169 by OUTSRC::HEISER "watchman on the wall" >>>


| ...but infants don't remember being sprinkled.

	Not talking about infants..... grown-ups get sprinkled too. I believe
the word is conversion... :-)

| <<< Note 568.170 by BUSY::SLABOUNTY "A swift kick in the butt - $1" >>>


| And for another thing, Mike, I think you took Glenn's reply a little too 
| seriously.

	Glenn put a reply in here??? Where????

    
    	Glen, Glenn ... what's the difference?
    

| <<< Note 568.173 by BUSY::SLABOUNTY "Act like you own the company" >>>


| Glen, Glenn ... what's the difference?


	many miles

    
    
    <---------
    
     You really DON't want to know...
    

    Di, perhaps the scathing remarks weren't directed SPECIFICALLY at me,
    PRIMARILY would probably be a better word. They were directed at me
    none the less and for me it was a big enough deal not a BFD.

    fwiw

	whatever you say, Glenn.

	Glenn says no to BFD, but yes to BED..... how interesting. :-)

    Gee, no reason to be so condescending.

  .179 "condescending"?  give me a break.  i just don't want to
       argue with you about it.  you'll see it your way anyways,
       so what's the sense?

    And you'll see it your way, so what's the sense?

    So now if I was to say, "Whatever you say, Di" would that not be
    condescending of me? I think it would.

    OK then, I was not the target of .105's remarks. My notes are not
    droppings or pathetic and I don't have to clean up my act. I'm
    overreacting and I should get rid of the chip on my shoulder.

    
     I would recommend a pint of Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia... plenty of
    chips in there...
    

    
    Well, not really an option, cuz soapbox resides on his system.
    
    

    
    <--- By George, I think he's got it.

| <<< Note 568.181 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "CPU Cycler" >>>


| I'm overreacting and I should get rid of the chip on my shoulder.

	Chip is on your shoulder?????

>>    And you'll see it your way, so what's the sense?

	precisely!

>>    So now if I was to say, "Whatever you say, Di" would that not be
>>    condescending of me? 

	no, it wouldn't be my impression that you thought you were
	superior, which is what condescension involves.  it would be my
	impression that you had given up on the idea of arguing about
	it, and so were telling me to suit myself.  which is what i
	meant by it.  but if you want to think that i meant i was
	superior, then, well, whatever you say, Glenn. 

    
    .185 refers to 181

 Exorcisms, peoples, Exorcisms!

    
    rough crowd lately, like sharks at feeding time.

    Well, "suit yourself" is a lot less terse than "whatever you say".

    I know, I know. Whatever I say.

    ;')

    
    re: .189
    
    >Exorcisms, peoples, Exorcisms!
    
    I thought that's what we were trying to do with the moderators!!
    
    
     :) :) :)
    

    Not that anyone asked or cares but \john does a fine job right along
    with the other co-mods.  Its his system, and his right to opine with
    impunity.  

    
>>    I thought that's what we were trying to do with the moderators!!

	yeah, it might work too, who knows.

    
    	re .182
    
    	I'm gonna get you for that, Mr. Krawiecki, I really am!
    

    Yes, he does do a fine job, and so do the other mods.
    
    And everyone has the same rights as he does outside of the scope of
    authority as a moderator.

    
      And the fox and the chickens have the same rights in the coop.
    
      bb

    And who am I supposed to be in that metaphor?

       OK, so instead of `suit yourself', replace "suit" with any other
       verb of your choice, preferably with the same # of letters.
       
       --Mr Topaz

>	Not talking about infants..... grown-ups get sprinkled too. I believe
>the word is conversion... :-)
    
    you believe wrong.  It's called water baptism by sprinkling.

    re .199
    
    Thank you Sir Gritty Kitty

    
    re: .195
    
    >I'm gonna get you for that, Mr. Krawiecki, I really am!
    
    WhadIdo????
    

    
    re: .194
    
    > yeah, it might work too, who knows.
    
    Di... it were a joke... Ah say a joke!!! Pay attention!! Ah said a
    joke!!
    

| <<< Note 568.201 by OUTSRC::HEISER "watchman on the wall" >>>

| >	Not talking about infants..... grown-ups get sprinkled too. I believe
| >the word is conversion... :-)

| you believe wrong.  It's called water baptism by sprinkling.

	caused by a conversion

    
    	You mentioned a certain frozen desert, which has managed to
    	set a certain "must have" bit in my brain, and will most certainly
    	cause me to indulge this weekend.
    

    
    Get the Peanut Butter Cup instead.  Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough is
    good, too.  I've never had Chubby Hubby, but it looks...interesting.
    
    Ice cream, yum!
    
    

    	
    I think I must now kill you.
    
    

    
    <mad scientist laugh>
    
    

 I really like Breyer's butter almond (but I haven't been able to find it
 lately)..




 Jim

	Jim, that has to be one of the best ice creames out there. After eating
that I can't see how I can ever eat that fat free crap. Good eats!

    
    	Actually, I'll probably satisy this Krawiecki induced craving
    	with C.G. Frozen Yogurt - just as good as the ice cream to my
    	taste buds.  Of course, I'll probably eat the whole pint :-(
    

    you people will have to exorcise a lot if you keep eating all 
    that ice cream...
    

    
    I don't think I could exorcise WHILE I ate ice cream, though.  It'd go
    right up my nose.
    
    

it could even if you don't exorcise.... ICE CREAM HEADACHE!!!!

    I've been attempting to exorcise this topic, do any of you feel
    "touched" by my omnipotent presence?

    
    	Go away, pinhead.
    

    
    	Oh, by the way ...
    
    
    	8^)
    

>                  <<< Note 568.205 by BIGQ::SILVA "Diablo" >>>
>
>| you believe wrong.  It's called water baptism by sprinkling.
>
>	caused by a conversion
    
    Care to provide BCV?  Water doesn't save/convert anyone.

    Mike

    It does save a person who is suffering from severe dehydration.

re -last


Clever people these americans.  Dehydrated people.  For instant population, 
just add water.  Reconstituted constituents.  A must for every election.


\C

re: .104 and many others...

Glenn, if you think I was calling all your notes "droppings" and
"infantile" then you misparsed the sentences.

I was only referring to those notes of yours (and OTHERS!) that
actually ARE "infantile" and "droppings".

Now that you know what was meant, won't you please:
  a) leave Di alone.  You're wrong, she's right.
  b) think before you post?

;-)
\john

    So sorry folks.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    Miss Parse

| <<< Note 568.219 by OUTSRC::HEISER "watchman on the wall" >>>


| >	caused by a conversion

| Care to provide BCV?  Water doesn't save/convert anyone.

	Mike, if an adult converted, they would get baptized.

| <<< Note 568.223 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "CPU Cycler" >>>


| Miss Parse


	OH NOOOO!!! Not yet ANOTHER stinkin personality!!!

    Ok, so let's see if I got this right.
    
    It's mean and unfair to ask noters to think before they write,
    thoughtful and well considered notes have no more intrinsic value than
    "droppings," Harney should find another conference to host, garbage
    notes has a potent lobby, and Glenn has added yet another scintillating
    personality. I think I'll take thursday off more often.

    
    
    Hey Goodwin, bite down hard.  You ought to thank Harney, as a matter of
    fact we all should, for hosting this conference and for having to go
    through crap from time to time (from Digital higher ups) because of
    some of the stuff that gets written here.  There is a thing called
    moderation when one is noting.  I enjoy a clever one liner as much as
    the next person, but there is such thing as too much.  The key is to
    find the middle ground.
    
    hth,
    
    Mike

    >I enjoy a clever one liner as much as the next person, but there is 
    >such thing as too much.
    
     You don't mean to imply that there's a difference between having a
    shake or two of pepper on your steak and a bite or two of steak with a
    pile of pepper, do you?

    Whole peppercorns or fresh ground?  White, black, green or other? 
    Makes a difference you know.

    
    re: .212
    
    >Actually, I'll probably satisy this Krawiecki induced craving
    >with C.G. Frozen Yogurt - just as good as the ice cream to my
    >taste buds.  Of course, I'll probably eat the whole pint :-(
    
    
    My sentiments exactly... because of my lactose intolerance, ice cream
    is a no-no, but low-fat yogurt is okay (sometimes). You are correct...
    there does not seem to be a significant difference in taste between the
    two (C.G.)
    
      BTW... I did eat a whole pint just the other night... and I'm GLAD!!!
    
    :)
    

>                  <<< Note 568.224 by BIGQ::SILVA "Diablo" >>>
>
>	Mike, if an adult converted, they would get baptized.
    
    Well at least you finally admitted that they are 2 separate events, but
    not all adults get baptized.  Some die in the hospital before they have
    a chance to.  Some aren't physically able to be baptized.
    
    Mike

    Notice also that this report doesn't absolutely discount its existence
    in America like the other report did.  Which one do we believe?  Proves
    my point about questionable sources on the WWW/Internet.
    
    Mike

    
    
    Where's Billy Boy when we need him most?????
    

    
      Speaking of exorcisms,
    
          DON'T FORGET TO TURN YOUR CLOCKS BACK EARLY SUNDAY MORNING !!!
    
    
       bb              ,
    

    Do not taunt Happy-Fun-Fundy...

>    The report indicates that after an extensive investigation the only
>    examples of reported child abuse using satanic symbols comes from
>    fundamental christian families.
>    
>    The obsession by fundamentalists with Satan coupled with their
>    negative attitude towards those who do not believe as they do and
>    their unquestioning of the fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible
>    leads to the only possible conclusion: "Fundies" are the anti-Christ.
>    They have cleverly learned to use the trappings of religion to subvert
>    and distroy it. 
    
Mark
3:23  And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can
 Satan cast out Satan?
3:24  And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
3:25  And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
3:26  And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand,
 but hath an end.
3:27  No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except
 he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

    All right, all right.  Who left the cellar door open?
    

| <<< Note 568.231 by OUTSRC::HEISER "watchman on the wall" >>>


| Well at least you finally admitted that they are 2 separate events, 

	Mike, I didn't admit nothing. I knew what I meant. :-)



Glen

    the world is a very serious place.