Conference back40::soapbox

    
    
    Oh, it's something else all right.....
    

    The unibomber has switched to red herrings.

    Well, do we know yet that this is terrorism at all, i.e., that
    it has political motivation or is a socio-political reaction to
    anything?
    
    Or could it "simply" be sabotage by a vindictive former employee,
    or just some sociopathic sicko with a train set at home who wanted
    to play "wreck the train" on a larger model?  Or something else
    entirely?
    
    Chris

    To wholesale for the Unabomber.  He or she seems to prefer retail
    murder, whereas this was attempted Wholesale murder.
    
    meg

    It was Gomez Addams.  Got bored with the play train set.  

>    It was Gomez Addams.  Got bored with the play train set.  



   Hey, I was going to say that!

    re: Gomez
    
    I was thinking that too, but I sure wasn't going to say it! :-)
    
    Chris

    
    
    
    Anyone hear slick talk again.  He's going to keep us safe.  barf.....

    Interesting conspritorial note.
    
    George will had an editorial in the local rag about how horrible Amtrak
    is for the country,  could it be coincidance?

  I'd hate to see Amtrak go. I love train travel.  Unfortunately its one of 
 those things that the gubmit can't afford to continue to support, and it
 is not making any money on it's own.  'tis a shame.




 Jim

I heard yesterday that the FBI and the BATF are investigating this train 
wreck.  Why is the BATF apart of this?  I didn't hear about any firearms/
explosives being used.  Were the perpetrators smoking cigarettes or 
drinking alchohol when they committed the crime, or do we include the 
gestapo (excuse me, BATF) in all investigations these days.


--Geoff

    
      The train slipped off on gazpacho ?
    
      bb

 re .11 why BATF



 Maybe they found cigarette butts?

    Probably for the same reason they were involved with Waco, which also
    didn't have any alcohol, tobacco or firearms violations.
    
    Mike

    
    	re: .14
    
    	Ah, but they had a Meth lab! They converted semi-auto rifles into
    machine guns (but we won't let the independent analysis firm in to
    check that)! They abused children! They had bombs, grenades, heck they
    may have had a nuke! And even worse than all that, they practiced
    RELIGION!!! That heinous bunch of animals deserved what they got!!
    
    <drool - drool - drool - drip - drool>
    

    re .11 why BATF
    
    We need somebody who is willing to shoot first and ask questions
    later.

    
    BATF was exanded to include investigation of sabotage and
    arson in federal crimes. So that's why they are there.
    
    -b

    
    re .9 -- Um, so George Will did it?  Figures.  It's always the quiet
    ones.  :-)
    
    There were reports on the late news tonight that the "Sons of the
    Gestapo" note included all sorts of "bizarre" information, like 
    that fact that the writer blamed the FBI and BATF for turning off
    the electricity to his house.  Sheesh, that's almost as good as
    the "weather machine" stuff the real nutters babble about...
    
    Time for some more anti-militia hysteria, I guess -- perhaps
    justified, perhaps not if this is just a red herring planted by
    a disgruntled former employee or the like...
    
    
    
    
    Rob
    

    these are the kind of nutters who wear aluminum foil suits to protect
    them from the death rays that the aliens/government conspirators are
    aiming at them...
    
    Another off-the-track SWAG or two:
    
    1: a disgruntled Amtrak employee (or ex-employee)
    
    2: Someone with an axe to grind with Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa
    County (he was named in the SOG note. About a year ago, Sheriff Joe 
    decided to turn his county jails back into correctional facilities 
    from being country clubs. No more free cable TV, coffee served only
    on Sundays, etc... Maybe some ex-con or friends of a con decided to
    play a very sick game of get-evenism.
    
    The SOG note could be a red herring to distract the media and the
    authorities... 

    >The SOG note could be a red herring to distract the media and the
    >authorities...
    
    
    Then it should work well.

    Putting on my foil hat for a moment, around the time of OKC I'd
    predicted that a few months down the road we'd see another such
    disaster, with lots of "clues" clumsily left behind pointing to
    nutter groups that we need more and more feds to protect us from.
    
    Chris

    re.12
    you wouldn't crack jokes if your mother was on that train.
    
    
    
    
    
    BR

    
    Was yours, and is that what gives you the license to call
    people stupid? Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.
    
    -b

 ZZ   MAL009::RAGUCCI                                       8 lines 
 ZZ   11-OCT-1995 15:44
    
    HALT....Who goes there??  Identify yourself!

    
    	Jack Martin, captain of the "No intro note" police department.
    

    
    re.23
    	Dear stupid,
    		you are as stupid as .12. 
    		Right, what if your mother was on that train, or anyone
    else in your family, would you be making jokes like that.
    When I read something like that it is stupid, so go crawl back up
    the hole you talk out of. And it's not your mouth.
    
    	
    
    	bye genius!

    .26
    
    Was your mother on the train ? Or are you just goring the oxes ?
    
    Sounds like someone had it out for Amtrak, the sheriff, or some
    non-interested party.
    
    The Waco and Ruby Ridge references sound like pure hokem.  Why
    would Waco/Ruby Ridge make any difference to the local sheriff ?
    
    Sons of the Gestapo sounds like an anagram (badly constructed) for
    ZOG.

oxen.  NNTTM.

       re .26:
       
       yeah, well what if it was your ex-spouse who was on the train? 
       Huh????

    re: .26
    
    Shouldn't you be on node SUBURB?
    
    Bob

    
    .26, Ragu:
    
    Very clever.  Now see if you can compose a note without the word
    "stupid" in it.
    

>       yeah, well what if it was your ex-spouse who was on the train? 

You'd be a suspect?

    Geee, some people think we should carry the weight of the world on our
    shoulders. I can't. If I did I would end up climbing to the very top of
    the CN Tower, drink 5 gallons of water, and thow myself off. If I'm
    going to kill myself, it will have to be funny.

    
    Some people got
    No reason
    Some people got
    No reason
    Some people got
    No reason to liiiiiiive!
    

    I love short people.

>    The Waco and Ruby Ridge references sound like pure hokem.

Hokum.  NNTTM.

    ... and the Big Ragu takes a combination to jaw and midsection

    Sounds like he's going to throw his mamma from the train as well.

    
    He's just plain loco; he has no motive.
    

    
    	A swift kick in the caboose would do him wonders.
    

    
    I wouldn't want to derail his train of thought.
    

    I'll bet he's a freight to enter a note now.

    
    Perhaps he's made tracks for another conference.
    

    Or perhaps he's decided to chug a few.

    
    He's prolly just steamed.
    

    
    	Typical engineer.
    
    	They never know how to conduct themselves.
    

    I stand connected.

    
    Wow.  If Ragu rails at bb's joke, diesel drive him NUTS!
    

    VIA con Dios Ragu.

    
    Can we switch this discussion to another line of reasoning?
    
    

Sounds like a graduate of the BtheB school of box-noting.

    he's been pummeled with puns. Hmm- sounds like a sniglet in the making.

    yeah, doesn't he know that railing at boxers never works?
    
    DougO

    a rolling stock gathers no groans...

    .36
    
    All vertically challenged people luv you too :-)
    
    

    Boy, if Ragu reads this, he'll be fit to be tied.

    Yes I can sing it on key.
    
    I can sing O Canada on key too!

    No, but if he is from the UK, it would be a real sleeper...

    
    I have sung O Canada before, and on key too.
    
    Does that make me multi-cultural?
    

    Depends...did you sing it in English or were you forced to sing it in
    French!?

    Re: Singing O Canada
    
    is this what you call laying down tracks?

    
    I sang it in English, but the sheet music has the French words also. 
    My partner in crime sang it in French.  At the same time, mind you 8^).

    
    ...and it was lovely, yes it was.
    

    ...and you kept a rollin' all night long.

    
    Ok.
    
    Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen.
    
    Spelled it enough ?
    
    

    .37
    
    Gerald,
    
    Hokem in Texas....
    
    Thank you for your thoughtful correction, though.
    
    

    
     re, "Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen Oxen" - ::MOORE
    
     Look, Tex, this is a respectable place - we don't need cattle drive
    riff-raff around here.  Ye'll keep outa town if yer smart.
    
      bb

    .69
    
    Thought my eyes were going and there was another track wreck in
    Oxnard :-0
    
    

    excuse my ignorance, but could someone please fill me in on this train
    wreck?

    Some nutter sabotaged tracks in the Southwest, causing an Amtrak from
    Florida to derail. 1 killed, many injured. Sabotage was simple, yet
    effective.

    Thanks for the info. 

    
    re. 38 bring yours & grow-up.
    	Keep your ethnic slurs to your family.
    	If I told you I was Afro- American would you insult me too?
    
    
    	Get a life A##-wipe
    

    
    <---- That Ragu, he's a saucy little feller, ain't he?
    

    Bet he's already reported Markey to personnel for making racist slurs.

What are goombahs?

    I dunno; aren't they in the purview of the Oompah-Loompahs?

    
    YOU'RE ALL A BUNCHA GOOMBAHS!!!
    

    Goombah ya my lord, goombah ya.

    
    
    Goombahs and raisinettes
    

    
    
    Great!!!
    
    Now we've got a "G-word" along with a "P-word" and a "N-word"!!!!!
    

P-word?

    Yes, pollock.  Soon we will also see the H word and the F word too.
    
    
    	
    Haddock 
    Flounder

Oh.  Not Polack?

    
      They've blown up the Metro again in Paris.  So far 12 dead.
    
      I've lost count of the bombs/explosions/scares/etc over there.
    
      Mostly, Algerian groups claim "credit".
    
      bb

    TRAIN WRECKS PEOPLE, TRAIN WRECKS!

  .88  pesky little pesce, eh?

    
    re: .87
    
    >Oh.  Not Polack?
    
    Only if there isn't a hook involved...
    

    
    It is a shame the terrorism only seems real to *some* americans when it
    is happening to the French,  I personally found it extremely
    infuriating that Bianca Jagger thought it "proper" to give money to the
    IRA!  ( What do people think they buy with the money, advertising
    space? - get real! ).  Guns & Bombs cost money, I wonder how many lives
    could have been saved in the U.K., Eire & Nortern Ireland if people
    actually considered the result of donating to the "political wings" of
    terrorist groups.
    
    Nuff Said - Too Many Dead

    
    RE: .93

    Weren't you one of the ones who popped their head up on
    "Bloody Friday", the day they turned the UK fab over
    to Motorola? Weren't you the one who was going on about
    how you hated Americans because of the friendly-fire
    incident in Iraq? You have a slight credibility problem
    here when it comes to your opinion on Americans.

    -b

    re .93
    
    Go back to sleep.

    Spike,
       Don't bother mate ! I've been here, seen it, got embroiled and at the
    end of the day all you get are pithy replies along the lines of .94 +
    .95. Mature one liners at best. Look at this string for a good example. 
    
    -b along with a large number of the 'box noters tars all U.K noters
    with the same brush as a few people got silly at the end of their DEC  
    careers. 
    
    
    		          Stretch.
    
    P.S I will not fall into that 'all are the same' attitude. Dan Killoran
    especially, along with literally a couple of other noters, had the
    decency to get into a debate on the issues and views which I had a
    problem with. For them I would like to say thanks, but the rest put me
    right off so I have to stick with read only and a lot of next unseening
    due to the dross on display.

    > -b along with a large number of the 'box noters tars all U.K noters
    > with the same brush as a few people got silly at the end of their DEC  
    > careers. 
    
    No broad brush at all. I specifically remember Mr. Barnard's
    remarks in that melee. I have no problem with anyone from
    the UK (far from it in fact), but I do remember those who
    outwardly profess their hatred for Americans.
    
    -b

    
    .96

    >...but the rest put me
    >right off so I have to stick with read only and a lot of next unseening
    >due to the dross on display.
    
    One wonders why you bother then.
    
    Look, as a Canadian, I have found that the Americans here are more 
    than prepared to engage in reasoned debate with foreigners.  But it
    seems as though most of the Brits that participate here have nothing
    better to contribute then to pop in once a month and make some
    inflammatory statement, on one or maybe two topics at the most, and
    then split once the natives have been riled. 
    
    You wanna be taken seriously?  Then say something serious.  Participate.
    Add value.  Eat, and be eaten.  You have nothing to lose but your pre-
    conceptions.
    

    'ear 'ear!

    Oi!

       I'm gonna reportchoo to HR if you continue them Racist Slurs!!
    

    Choo-choo!
    

    Just thought I'd add that goombah (sp?) is swahile (sp?) for Hello 
    or Goodbye... can't remember which.
    
    Ohhh yes.... unless I've got my wires crossed of course... which is 
    quite likely !! :*)
    
    .97 - {sniff} how sweet of you to say so.
    
    Dear Non-constructive English people,
    
    Stop the wasting the disk space.  
                                                                     

    
    Oh you are so right, what could I have been thinking about, us plucky
    Brits only ever take pops at americans and waste "your" disk space.

    You'd know all about living with terrorism wouldn't you, I bet you have
    even lost a member of your family in N.I.  I bet you even understand
    everything that went on leading up to the Orange Men's march.  The army
    that was stupidly placed in as a Police force.  I think you will find
    that you're a few days out 'ol chap.   

    Would you like a rod to go with the hook,line & sinker?  

    We pop up now and then!!! Strange, I feel a brush being used again.

    .94 don't use the toilet - you can't afford to half your I.Q.!!!
                                                          
    \_damn_plucky_Brit_/

    (yawns and goes back to sleep)

    >us plucky Brits only ever take pops [...]
    
     That would be "we plucky brits..." nnttm
    
     Plucky, eh? So that would make you pluckers, then? Would that be
    motherpluckers, or just dumb plucks?

"piss off," he hinted...

Chris.

    
    MODS!!  There is a great gaping hole in .104 where a note should be!
    

    
    OK, I was wrong. I went through this conference looking for
    notes from BARNARDP, and found only two; both in this topic.
    I was pretty sure I remembered the name, so I went to another
    conference where the person I thought I remembered had left
    notes openly stating his _hatred_ of Americans.

    Well, it turns out the user name of that person was RBERNARD,
    not BARNARDP.

    As I stated earlier, I have no problems with UK noters. This
    one person, however, I did have a problem with. His notes
    here were one thing, but the notes he left in the other
    conference... well, I can't quote them because they have
    been mercifully deleted by the moderators.

    So, BARNARDP was not the person who I had the problem with.

    On the other hand, I'm not sure why BARNARDP couldn't have said
    "I wrote no such notes" when confronted with it, instead of
    carrying on like he pinched a major loaf in his diaper, and
    needed a change...

    -b

    He was having a dig at me. I don't think he realises that a) my node
    does not reside in the US and b) I'm not an American, also not from
    the country where the node resides.
    
    Poor blokes delirious... quite amusing that I can wind someone up like
    that. I bet it was driving him nuts that I was being so cocky.
    
    I love this place... ahhhhh {sigh} completely satisfied.

    Actually just reviewing the note again... Only the first two lines were
    directed at me... I'm not too sure what that second paragraph was all
    about. 

    
    Er I was just trying to be a good European (pukes) and share the sh+t
    out equally!!

    I do however think noting is a great past time - you get to insult
    people you have not even met yet.....

    P.S. I understand that the U.N. would like payment on a certain I.O.U
    left by MR Bush ;^)....

    bye bye colonials 

     

    You drunk ?

    I know your name from somewhere, what do you do ?

    
    As little as possible ..... ;^)
    
    Er.... Escalation Management/ Out of Hours Resource Control/ General
    Dogs Body/provoker Noters <smirk>.
    
    \_spike_/
    
    Wot was this Note about?
    
    
    

    Take the outstanding U.S. debt to the U.N. to the U.N. note and do not
    muddy up a good bashing over who is more familiar with terrorism and
    train wrecks.  Thank you. 

re .108,

you got any pointers to any notes that are still around?  I feel like a laugh!

Chris.

    
    No, sorry. The other conference was ::FRIENDS but the notes
    were deleted by the moderator. He was being decidedly
    unFRIENDSly... :-)
    
    -b

    
    	FRIENDS ... where a hug is worth a thousand words.
    

     
    Friend ...... that guy/girl that shows up to return the item he or she
    borrowed last time, so he can borrow something else.
    
    
    \_spike_/

    
      A subway train fire killed 300 people and injured 270 in Azerbaijan's
     capital Baku, and rescue workers said they feared the toll could rise.
     Police in the former Soviet republic said a spark from a high-voltage
     cable could have started Saturday's fire.  Many of the deaths were
     caused by carbon monoxide poisoning from burning toxic materials.
    
      bb