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523.1 | Talk Hard | SNOFS1::DAVISM | Happy Harry Hard On | Mon Aug 21 1995 05:52 | 1 |
| Yawn.
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523.2 | | AIMHI::MARTIN | actually Rob Cashmon, NHPM::CASHMON | Mon Aug 21 1995 06:37 | 8 |
|
Actually, you should change the topic title to "Jesus Christ: Savior,
Liar, or Lunatic," and then you can go for the whole C.S. Lewis
experience. ;-)
Rob
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523.3 | Talk Hard | SNOFS1::DAVISM | Happy Harry Hard On | Mon Aug 21 1995 06:38 | 1 |
| Or....very naughty boy ?
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523.4 | How shall we F***-off Messiah? | SNOFS2::ROBERTSON | where there's smoke there's toast | Mon Aug 21 1995 07:08 | 2 |
| <----- excuse me, are you a virgin?
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523.5 | blah blah blah | POLAR::WILSONC | Desperately avoiding a career | Mon Aug 21 1995 09:15 | 1 |
| who is jesus christ? was he a member of the sex pistols?
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523.6 | | MARKO::MCKENZIE | CSS - because ComputerS Suck | Mon Aug 21 1995 11:20 | 4 |
| >>> who is jesus christ?
Jesus (pronounced hey-zeus) Christ,
short-stop from the Dominican Republic.
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523.7 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Been complimented by a toady lately? | Mon Aug 21 1995 13:31 | 5 |
|
How about that "thumper index"!!!!! Huh????
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523.8 | | SPSEG::COVINGTON | There is chaos under the heavens... | Mon Aug 21 1995 14:29 | 3 |
| How about:
"Jesus Christ: Savior, Lunatic, or just another human being?"
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523.9 | ex | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Mon Aug 21 1995 16:25 | 11 |
| Sorry, I just can't resist.
Jesus Christ, perhaps the most powerful moral savant of Western
Civilization, an uneducated, hallucinating, illiterate. Yet, this man has
held moral sway over the western civilization for a hundred generations,
right up to this day. If he did any good at all it was that he
undermined the parasitical powers of the time. His name, exploited by
the power grabbing church authorities of about 100BC, is now synonymous
with mystical control of human beings in the western world.
...Tom
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523.10 | Anachronism. | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Mon Aug 21 1995 16:54 | 4 |
|
Um, 100 BC ? That's a trick, Purina. Or didja mean the prophets ?
bb
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523.12 | | RUSURE::GOODWIN | | Mon Aug 21 1995 17:43 | 8 |
| Assuming he ever existed at all outside of stories, I'll bet he was a
normal guy with some unusual (for the time) political convictions,
a rebel against authority, and extremely charismatic.
Other than that, I'll bet most of the stories about his life and deeds
were either magnified or concocted by well-meaning (or sometimes
otherwise) people who knew that with a little reality and a lot of myth
you can create a powerful influence over people.
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523.13 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Been complimented by a toady lately? | Mon Aug 21 1995 17:59 | 4 |
|
Sorta like a Hitler... huh??
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523.14 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Mon Aug 21 1995 18:02 | 14 |
| .12
> Assuming he ever existed at all outside of stories...
Flavius Josephus, a Roman citizen and a Jew with NOTHING to gain from
Jesus' existence, reported that Jesus was real and that he was the
object of a new cult.
> with some unusual (for the time) political convictions
No, ackshully, he was one of a long line of zealots preaching the same
sort of thing, both politically and spiritually. The apparent
difference is that he claimed to be God, which means - as C. S. Lewis
has pointed out - that he was God , or a maniac, or a despicable liar.
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523.15 | | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Mon Aug 21 1995 18:26 | 12 |
| >Or didja mean the prophets
No, I ment what I said.
>His name, exploited by the power grabbing church authorities of about
>100BC
There is no trick to it. People, for their own benefit, frequently
exploit past figures. It happens in politics all of the time, related
to the founding fathers and the like. It even happens in the box.
...Tom
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523.16 | Um. | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Mon Aug 21 1995 18:29 | 4 |
|
Tom, in 100 BC, Jesus had not been born. B.C. is "Before Christ"
bb
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523.17 | | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Mon Aug 21 1995 18:35 | 7 |
|
RE: .16
Sorry.....AD, brain skip!!
...Tom
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523.18 | | MIMS::LESSER_M | Who invented liquid soap and why? | Mon Aug 21 1995 18:51 | 6 |
| I think that he really means CE (Common Era).
AD means the "year of our Lord".
M
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523.19 | | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Mon Aug 21 1995 18:59 | 3 |
| I mean about 1895 years ago.. :)
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523.20 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Mon Aug 21 1995 19:18 | 3 |
|
groan...... not Martha Stewart...... :-)
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523.21 | | MPGS::MARKEY | functionality breeds contempt | Mon Aug 21 1995 19:21 | 7 |
|
i confess... i "like" martha stuart in all manners in which
one could like someone, including, but not limited to, manners
involving the excitement of certain anatomical members which
it is my misfortune to be associated with.
-b
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523.22 | | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Mon Aug 21 1995 19:21 | 1 |
| Does that make Martha Stewart the Anti-Christ???!!! :)
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523.25 | Martha Stewart: Saviour or Lunatic? | TROOA::COLLINS | A 9-track mind... | Mon Aug 21 1995 19:42 | 1 |
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523.26 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Mon Aug 21 1995 19:43 | 2 |
|
.24 aaagagagag. "low sugar" - very funny. ;>
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523.27 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Mon Aug 21 1995 20:02 | 2 |
| Di, shouldn't the title of this topic be changed to include Martha?
How about "Is Martha Stewart the Second Coming?"
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523.28 | | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Mon Aug 21 1995 20:03 | 7 |
|
Maybe I should change the topic to:
"Martha Stewart : Happy Homemaker or Sadistic Anti-Christ"
"She dries flowers with her breath, and really like to jam (oops,
make jam. But who is she, really ?"
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523.29 | | TROOA::COLLINS | A 9-track mind... | Mon Aug 21 1995 20:05 | 3 |
|
Is Martha Stewart now more popular than Jesus Christ?
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523.30 | .28 | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Mon Aug 21 1995 20:07 | 3 |
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or "Jesus Christ, saviour old credit cards"
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523.31 | | TROOA::COLLINS | A 9-track mind... | Mon Aug 21 1995 20:08 | 3 |
|
Could Jesus go 15 rounds with Tyson? Could Martha?
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523.32 | | POWDML::DOUGAN | | Mon Aug 21 1995 20:22 | 3 |
| "Jesus is coming - look busy"
Shamelessly taken from Cartalk - who got it off AOL
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523.33 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Reformatted to fit your screen | Mon Aug 21 1995 20:24 | 3 |
| I can see it now. Martha achieves saint hood. Nuns everywhere start
wearing fashion habits and changing their names to Sister Mary Martha
Stewart.
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523.34 | | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Mon Aug 21 1995 21:09 | 1 |
| I'm convinced, forget Jesus, Martha Stewart for Messiah!!
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523.35 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName! | Mon Aug 21 1995 22:42 | 4 |
| Too late, try to keep up, she IS!
And boy is she pissed!!
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523.36 | No thoughts, eh ? | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Tue Aug 22 1995 04:18 | 12 |
|
Hmmm, youse guise don't seem to have much in the way of thought on this
Jesus Christ.
In fact, just based on the responses, nary one of you will attack him
directly, aside from "yawn".
Figures. You'll sideline the guy, blaming it on his apostles, or the
church, or some centuries-old conspiracy.
As many facts as some of you spew forth, you couldn't render any facts
toward debasing JC DIRECTLY.
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523.37 | Lunatic? Hmmmm... | SNOFS2::ROBERTSON | where there's smoke there's toast | Tue Aug 22 1995 04:39 | 5 |
| In the Immortal words of Zaphod Beeblebrux, "He's just this guy..."
But seriously folks, Where did the base noter get an association of JC
and Lunacy. I don't recall any reference in the scriptures of him doing
any weird things, except maybe that bit in the dessert?
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523.38 | | TROOA::BUTKOVICH | blink and I'm gone | Tue Aug 22 1995 04:45 | 2 |
| I'd say he was more of a magician.
That turning water into wine was quite a trick!
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523.39 | | SNOFS2::ROBERTSON | where there's smoke there's toast | Tue Aug 22 1995 04:50 | 1 |
| Two more buckets of water for table nine. :^)
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523.40 | Talk Hard | SNOFS1::DAVISM | Happy Harry Hard On | Tue Aug 22 1995 05:53 | 1 |
| hey it got me drunk {hic!}
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523.41 | Residing in Fantasyland today... | AIMHI::MARTIN | actually Rob Cashmon, NHPM::CASHMON | Tue Aug 22 1995 07:19 | 16 |
|
ALL YOU PEOPLE LEAVE MY MARTHA STEWART ALONE!!!!
As I previously reported in The Confessional (501.5,) I am in love
with Martha and intend to ask her to marry me. Unless Anna Nicole
Smith asks me first, that is. Or possibly, all three of us could
do something together...hmmmmm...
Oh, sorry, woolgathering there for a second. As I was saying,
Martha is mine. Don't try to break up our happy home, or I'll
sic Mike Tyson and Peter McNeeley on you!
Rob
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523.42 | | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Tue Aug 22 1995 10:12 | 3 |
| Rob, have a talk with her ex-husband first just to make sure she
doesn't have a wierd sexual appetite or is that what you're looking
for? :-)
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523.43 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName! | Tue Aug 22 1995 10:18 | 7 |
| Hope yer not recommending Rob have a chat with ANS's ex-husband...
Though there ARE them who would envy the probable reason he's her ex-,
folks participating in that type of ex-hood often find it rawther
difficult to keep up their side of even a casual conversation.
hth.
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523.44 | | AIMHI::MARTIN | actually Rob Cashmon, NHPM::CASHMON | Tue Aug 22 1995 11:09 | 8 |
|
I'm open to conversations with any and all ex-partners...although
I suspect I would have to yell REAL LOUD for Anna's ex to hear me.
Rob
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523.45 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName! | Tue Aug 22 1995 11:10 | 2 |
| Iz there an echo in here?
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523.46 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | NRA member | Tue Aug 22 1995 11:12 | 2 |
|
Iz there an echo in here?
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523.47 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName! | Tue Aug 22 1995 11:36 | 3 |
| Not only that, is it me or is it just that there are acoustically
reflective surfaces in this vicinity??
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523.48 | | AIMHI::MARTIN | actually Rob Cashmon, NHPM::CASHMON | Tue Aug 22 1995 11:38 | 11 |
|
Dr. Dan,
It's you. Seek treatment immediately.
Praying for your recovery,
Rob
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523.49 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Reformatted to fit your screen | Tue Aug 22 1995 12:33 | 6 |
| RE: .43 and .44,
Just give the si'kick friends a call. Dionne will fix you right up
with a hot line to heaven.
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523.50 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName! | Tue Aug 22 1995 12:41 | 2 |
| Re .48 -- Thanks for the tip. I'll take it under advisement. :-)
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523.51 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Tue Aug 22 1995 13:39 | 6 |
| | <<< Note 523.38 by TROOA::BUTKOVICH "blink and I'm gone" >>>
| I'd say he was more of a magician.
| That turning water into wine was quite a trick!
No trick at all. Reunite does it all the time!
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523.52 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | the heat is on | Tue Aug 22 1995 13:54 | 1 |
| It's Riunite, and they turn wine into water. /hth
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523.53 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 14:04 | 14 |
523.54 | | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:10 | 22 |
| >Hmmm, youse guise don't seem to have much in the way of thought on this
>Jesus Christ.
You mean some guy who may or may not have existed, who was turned into
a myth? That Jesus Christ?
>In fact, just based on the responses, nary one of you will attack
>him directly, aside from "yawn".
No need to attack, or was that the reason for this topic?
>Figures. You'll sideline the guy, blaming it on his apostles, or
>the church, or some centuries-old conspiracy.
And this is a problem because...??
>As many facts as some of you spew forth, you couldn't render any
>facts toward debasing JC DIRECTLY.
No need to. It isn't JC's fault that 2000 years later people worship
him.
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523.55 | re: .53 | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:11 | 2 |
| Yabbut I heard they actually DRANK it at that wedding.
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523.56 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:16 | 5 |
| .55
There are other ways to do the trick - I gave you the simplest one.
Changing water into wine was a common trick of "magicians" in Jesus'
time.
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523.57 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:17 | 6 |
|
.55 that reminds me of Gilbert Godfried's routine, where he wonders
why, at the "Last Supper", no-one sat on the other side of the table.
pretty funny, i thought.
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523.58 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:42 | 4 |
| re .57:
Di, you've never been to a wedding where the photographer goes around to
each table and has everybody pose for a picture?
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523.59 | | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:51 | 1 |
| So, it was the photographer's fault?? :)
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523.60 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:53 | 1 |
| No, silly. 'Twas the painter.
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523.61 | Narnia ? | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Tue Aug 22 1995 15:53 | 6 |
| .37
>But seriously folks, Where did the base noter get an association of JC
>and Lunacy [?]
As earlier stated by other noters, C.S. Lewis essays.
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523.62 | | RUSURE::GOODWIN | | Tue Aug 22 1995 16:00 | 5 |
| >But seriously folks, Where did the base noter get an association of JC
>and Lunacy [?]
From the number of lunatics who claim they have close association with
JC, perhaps?
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523.63 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 16:19 | 24 |
| .61
Not Narnia. JC is not mentioned therein, I believe. The idea comes
from Lewis' essay "The Case for Christianity" which is contained in a
collection of his writings titled _Mere Christianity._
The premise is that JC claimed to be God. If a person claims to be
something, there are three possibilities:
1. He is that something.
2. He is a liar.
3. He is demented.
Lewis expounds the consideration that most nonChristians consider Jesus
to have been a good man, probably a wise teacher, possibly a prophet.
But if he was a liar, then he was wicked, not good, and should be
rejected. If he was demented, he should similarly be rejected - and
pitied as well. Therefore, if you believe him to have been good, the
inevitable conclusion must be that his claim of Godhood is valid.
Lewis makes the argument far more cogently than I; it's been 15 or 20
years since I last read that essay.
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523.64 | | CTHU26::S_BURRIDGE | | Tue Aug 22 1995 16:26 | 5 |
| Isn't there a 4th possibility?
4. He is mistaken.
-Stephen
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523.65 | | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Tue Aug 22 1995 16:39 | 5 |
| .63
< Narnia?>
Twas just a joke on my behalf. Have the essay. Read it many times.
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523.66 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 16:43 | 3 |
| .64
Your No. 4 falls under the purview of my No. 3.
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523.67 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Tue Aug 22 1995 16:51 | 5 |
|
>> Your No. 4 falls under the purview of my No. 3.
you can be mistaken without being demented though.
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523.68 | no offence intende to anyone | CTHU26::S_BURRIDGE | | Tue Aug 22 1995 16:57 | 14 |
| Seems to me that if someone has a strong but mistaken belief, they are
not necessarily crazy.
I admit I know very little a bout theology. Is Jesus not supposed to
have been fully human, therefore to have known doubt, etc, so would his
belief in his nature & role not have depended ultimately on faith?
Might Jesus not have been a remarkably gifted member of a highly creative
culture in considerable turmoil, whose understanding of the world was
articulated in religious terms, who drew conclusions about himself and his
society that made considerable sense in local context, but not in mid-20th-
century English?
-Stephen
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523.70 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:00 | 5 |
| .68
Jesus' contention that he was God didn't make sense to the locals in
his own time; they expected the God-sent saviour to be a man, not God,
and to be a military leader who would drive out the Roman invader.
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523.69 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:01 | 2 |
| Wot happened to yer .69 with the typo I was about to correct?
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523.71 | Sorry, Lucky Jack, I beat you to it. | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:02 | 8 |
| .67
> you can be mistaken without being demented though.
Not in the case at hand, you can't. To be demented is to suffer from
dementia, which is a deterioration of mental faculties including, but
not limited to, judgment. If you think you're God but you're not, your
judgment, at the very least, is not up to snuff.
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523.72 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:06 | 9 |
|
>> Not in the case at hand, you can't.
You said, "If a person claims to be something" then there are
three possibilities, not just if a person claims to be God.
>> To be demented is to suffer from dementia,
But to be mistaken is not necessarily to suffer from dementia.
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523.73 | | SHRCTR::DAVIS | | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:06 | 20 |
| <<< Note 523.68 by CTHU26::S_BURRIDGE >>>
-< no offence intende to anyone >-
> I admit I know very little a bout theology. Is Jesus not supposed to
> have been fully human, therefore to have known doubt, etc, so would his
> belief in his nature & role not have depended ultimately on faith?
No.
> Might Jesus not have been a remarkably gifted member of a highly creative
> culture in considerable turmoil, whose understanding of the world was
> articulated in religious terms, who drew conclusions about himself and his
> society that made considerable sense in local context, but not in mid-20th-
> century English?
No.
No offense taken.
Tom
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523.74 | | DEVLPR::DKILLORAN | It ain't easy, bein' sleezy! | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:12 | 6 |
|
> Might Jesus not have been a remarkably gifted member of a highly creative
> culture in considerable turmoil,.....
This make Jesus Christ sound like an alien !
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523.75 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:16 | 5 |
| .72
To be mistaken is to suffer from a failure of mental faculties; if your
mental faculties were perfect, you would be able to perceive your
mistake, analyze why it was an error, and rectify your beliefs.
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523.76 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:22 | 3 |
|
.75 so everyone who is mistaken is demented? i don't think so.
but i could be demented.
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523.77 | | SHRCTR::DAVIS | | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:28 | 9 |
| <<< Note 523.76 by PENUTS::DDESMAISONS "person B" >>>
> .75 so everyone who is mistaken is demented? i don't think so.
> but i could be demented.
You? Demented? Never, m'lady. Never! You must be mistaken.
Tom
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523.79 | Sorry for the Trekhole... | DECWIN::RALTO | Stay in bed, float upstream | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:30 | 7 |
| >> To be mistaken is to suffer from a failure of mental faculties; if your
>> mental faculties were perfect, you would be able to perceive your
>> mistake, analyze why it was an error, and rectify your beliefs.
Sounds like Kirk convincing Nomad to "sterilize" himself. :-)
Chris
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523.80 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:42 | 6 |
|
So who has more power? JC or Martha Stewart?
Glen
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523.81 | | SHRCTR::DAVIS | | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:51 | 26 |
| From the Coals-to-Newcastle department of transportation...
In defense of Herr Binder, Di:
There is mistaken, as in "I coulda sworn pi was 3.1412"
There is MISTAKEN, as in "The only way to stop the slide of society into the
bottomless gutter is to eliminate premarital sex. and make everyone pack a
gun."
And then there's *MISTAKEN*, as in "I am God! Whosoever believes in me
will no perish, but have everlasting life!"
Everyone on the planet, with the possible exception of Mr. Binder himself and
perhaps Mr. Topaz, have been guilty of the first from time to time. If this
warrants admission to an asylum, than we're all already there, so why bother?
Every 'boxer who ever braved from the shadows is guilty of the second. Many
in the rest of society might suggest that we belong in the loony bin, but
as long as we control the talk radio airwaves, we're probably safe.
The third is most definitely a call to the white-coats. Unless...
Tom
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523.82 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 17:52 | 5 |
| .76
> but i could be demented.
Naw, you're the exception that every rule must have.
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523.83 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Tue Aug 22 1995 18:06 | 16 |
|
.81 I know that. In .63, Herr Binder said this:
> ...If a person claims to be
> something, there are three possibilities:
> 1. He is that something.
> 2. He is a liar.
> 3. He is demented.
I agree with Mr. Burridge that there is another possibility.
That he is mistaken.
Please note that Herr Binder subsequently began trying to convince
me that being mistaken falls under the category of dementia _outside_
the context of the particular case at hand.
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523.84 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Firsthand Bla Bla Bla | Tue Aug 22 1995 18:17 | 3 |
| Hare Binder.
nnttm, hth, kfc etc... {hop} {hop}
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523.85 | another type of mistake | PATE::CLAPP | | Tue Aug 22 1995 18:43 | 15 |
| re: <<< Note 523.81 by SHRCTR::DAVIS >>>
** There is mistaken, as in "I coulda sworn pi was 3.1412"
** There is MISTAKEN, as in "The only way to stop the slide of society
into the bottomless gutter is to eliminate premarital sex. and make
everyone pack a gun."
** And then there's *MISTAKEN*, as in "I am God! Whosoever believes in me
will no perish, but have everlasting life!"
Should also be added:
There is the MISTAKEN as in - "The world is not the center of the
universe!" when Copernicus said it.
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523.86 | | SHRCTR::DAVIS | | Tue Aug 22 1995 18:48 | 4 |
| <<< Note 523.83 by PENUTS::DDESMAISONS "person B" >>>
You're way ahead of me - as always. :'} (What's the net shorthand for
admiration, anyway?)
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523.87 | | SHRCTR::DAVIS | | Tue Aug 22 1995 18:57 | 20 |
| <<< Note 523.85 by PATE::CLAPP >>>
-< another type of mistake >-
> ** There is mistaken, as in "I coulda sworn pi was 3.1412"
> ** There is MISTAKEN, as in "The only way to stop the slide of society
> into the bottomless gutter is to eliminate premarital sex. and make
> everyone pack a gun."
> ** And then there's *MISTAKEN*, as in "I am God! Whosoever believes in me
> will no perish, but have everlasting life!"
>
> Should also be added:
>
> There is the MISTAKEN as in - "The world is not the center of the
> universe!" when Copernicus said it.
Nope, that's definitely falls within the second. Ask Haag, Mr. Bill, etc.
Tom
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523.88 | | TOOK::GASKELL | | Tue Aug 22 1995 20:28 | 10 |
| .74
>>This make Jesus Christ sound like an alien !<<
Well let's look at this more closely.
Bright lights in the sky when he was born, decends from clouds, appears
and disappears, rises from the dead. Sounds like something right out
of "Sightings" to me.
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523.90 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Tue Aug 22 1995 21:49 | 8 |
| .89
Other references:
John 4:7 et seq., 10:30 et seq., 12:44,45, 14:10 et seq.
These are all I could think of on a the spur of the moment. In John
12:45 and 45, Jesus says pretty clearly that he is God.
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523.91 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Haven't you always wanted a monkey? | Tue Aug 22 1995 21:52 | 5 |
|
<---- That was a typo. He meant to say that He is *Rod*.
Rodney Christ.
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523.92 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Been complimented by a toady lately? | Tue Aug 22 1995 21:58 | 4 |
|
Will all these be added to the thumper index to thump some more on the
box thumpers????
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523.93 | should have paid more attention at scriptures.or is it too much water. | SNOFS2::ROBERTSON | where there's smoke there's toast | Tue Aug 22 1995 22:00 | 4 |
| don't have any references to sprout but there was the Trilogy -
Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
was this acclaimed to JC or in interpretation by the churches.
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523.94 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Haven't you always wanted a monkey? | Tue Aug 22 1995 22:00 | 3 |
|
Heaven knows we need thumpthing to thump them with.
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523.96 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Been complimented by a toady lately? | Tue Aug 22 1995 22:01 | 4 |
|
THCRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMM!!!
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523.98 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Wed Aug 23 1995 00:30 | 8 |
| | <<< Note 523.91 by TROOA::COLLINS "Haven't you always wanted a monkey?" >>>
| <---- That was a typo. He meant to say that He is *Rod*.
| Rodney Christ.
Joan.... r u sure you didn't mean Rodney King?
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523.99 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Know your rights...all 3 of them. | Wed Aug 23 1995 21:30 | 3 |
|
So...Steve. Is `snarfing' a lunatic behaviour? ----------->
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523.100 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Reformatted to fit your screen | Wed Aug 23 1995 21:41 | 1 |
| We will never know
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523.101 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Fri Aug 25 1995 17:28 | 4 |
| I think John 8:58 and the confession during the trial before Pilate are
the most convincing.
Mike
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523.102 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Fri Aug 25 1995 17:50 | 15 |
| ZZ don't have any references to sprout but there was the Trilogy -
ZZ Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
For the last time, Trilogy is Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.
TRINITY.
There are actually other places where Jesus affirms his position. Just
the fact that he was forgiving sins caused a complete uproar with the
Religious leaders, i.e. "...Why do you blaspheme? Who can forgive sin
other than God??"
Yes, the pharisees knew exactly what Jesus was claiming to be.
-Jack
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523.103 | | DEVLPR::DKILLORAN | Danimal | Fri Aug 25 1995 18:05 | 5 |
|
> "...Why do you blaspheme? Who can forgive sin other than God??"
WOW....an early mr bill!
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523.104 | | CSC32::M_EVANS | nothing's going to bring him back | Fri Aug 25 1995 18:34 | 7 |
| .102
No the trilogy had something to do with the middle world and Hobbits
Whoops, don't read it, it is full of multiculturalism.
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523.105 | | CSOA1::LEECH | Dia do bheatha. | Fri Aug 25 1995 18:46 | 2 |
| Star Wars was a trilogy. BTW, isn't there supposed to be another Star
Wars movie coming out soon?
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523.106 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Nothing wrong $100 wouldn't fix. | Fri Aug 25 1995 18:49 | 3 |
|
Kenneth Branagh (sp?) turned down the role of young Obi-Wan.
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523.107 | | DEVLPR::DKILLORAN | Danimal | Fri Aug 25 1995 18:52 | 5 |
|
> Star Wars was a trilogy. BTW, isn't there supposed to be another Star
> Wars movie coming out soon?
Well they better hurry up before all the stars die of old age !
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523.108 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Aug 25 1995 20:15 | 2 |
| Actually, Star Wars was to be a trilogy of trilogies. We only got the middle
three; there was a concept for three earlier and three later shows.
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523.109 | don't give up hope | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, ISVETS Palo Alto | Fri Aug 25 1995 20:26 | 9 |
| > We only got the middle three; there was a concept for three earlier
> and three later shows.
Rumor has it that Lucas is working on the earliest set; how the Emperor
crushed the Senate, how Anikin Skywalker was seduced to the Dark Side
of the Force and betrayed the Jedi Knights, what were the Clone Wars,
all of that good stuff.
DougO
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523.110 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Fri Aug 25 1995 20:28 | 2 |
| Rumor has it further that Lucas intends to rerelease the original
three, with spiffed-up '90s-quality FX.
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523.111 | | CSOA1::LEECH | Dia do bheatha. | Fri Aug 25 1995 20:56 | 3 |
| That's nice and all, but we already know how the story turns out. 8^)
Not that it wouldn't be a great addition to my home theater collection.
Hope they spiff-up the audio quality, as well.
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523.113 | There is but one Truth | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sat Aug 26 1995 02:23 | 6 |
| >It could be an accurate statement, depending on ones belief system.
All unwanted people must die is an accurate statement in a Nazi belief system.
That doesn't make it true.
/john
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523.114 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, ISVETS Palo Alto | Sat Aug 26 1995 02:25 | 6 |
| -< There is but one Truth >-
I'd have to answer the title question with lunatic, seein' as how his
followers get so inspired as to spout such gems.
DougO
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523.116 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Sat Aug 26 1995 21:38 | 25 |
| | <<< Note 523.115 by ONOFRE::SKELLY_JO >>>
| Interesting comment, but what's it got to do with the price of peaches in
| Portugal?
Hey... that's my homeland!!! So how much ARE the peaches over there?
| I don't recall asserting that just because somebody believes something, it's
| true.
I think John would agree with you that one can believe something, and
have it be wrong. Well, except for when his own faith comes into play.... just
other people's....
| > There is but one Truth
| Nice bumper sticker. What exactly does it mean?
That would depend on who made up the sticker. It could mean just about
anything. From a religious standpoint it could mean that the only true Truth,
is God Himself. Any human couldn't come close to perfection.
Glen
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523.117 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Sat Aug 26 1995 21:41 | 12 |
| "-< There is but one Truth >-"
There's yer problem right there in a nutshell /\/\/\/john.
Just imagine, just a moment of suction thru a skull trephination, and
you'd actually be more normal of a human bean. Problem is, of course,
to find just the right set of synapses that are so grievously defective.
jmo, of course... :-)
|-{:-)
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523.118 | | AIMHI::MARTIN | actually Rob Cashmon, NHPM::CASHMON | Sun Aug 27 1995 06:35 | 13 |
|
Dr. Dan,
I actually went to the trouble of looking up trephination, because
I was certain you meant to say trepanation, only to find that
they are one and the same. Learn something new every day, I guess.
Now I feel trepidation at telling the tales of my tribulations...
Rob
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523.119 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Sun Aug 27 1995 07:04 | 1 |
| "My Sugar Is So Trephined..."
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523.120 | He certainly used the relevant derivation of the verb. | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Sun Aug 27 1995 23:11 | 16 |
| .112
John 8:58 points back to Exodus 3:14, which is why they picked up
stones to throw at Jesus. Upon Moses's question "Now they (the
Israelites) may say to me, 'What is his name?' What shall I say to
them?". God's response in 3:14 is "...Thus you shall say to the sons
of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you."
The translation "I AM" is "YAHWEH", derived from the Hebrew root verb
"HAYAH", which means "to be". Using "YAHWEH", or "YHWH" since the
pronunciation is suspect, is in effect to claim, "I exist outside
of the normal physical constraint of time", therfore implying eternal
existence.
How much clearer could it be. Jesus was claiming that he was in
existence before Abraham.
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523.121 | | CSOA1::LEECH | Dia do bheatha. | Mon Aug 28 1995 13:55 | 9 |
| FWIW, there can only be one truth. John never stated he was sole
arbiter or holder of said truth, so I fail to see why he is being taken
to task for his statement.
For some reason, if truth is proclaimed to be anything other than a
wishy-washy variable these days, folks have a conniption fit.
-steve
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523.122 | | RUSURE::GOODWIN | | Mon Aug 28 1995 14:56 | 3 |
| > FWIW, there can only be one truth.
Well it sure ain't that statement
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523.123 | | CSOA1::LEECH | Dia do bheatha. | Mon Aug 28 1995 15:33 | 4 |
| By somewhat agreeing with the fact that there is a truth, you
contradict your own statement.
-steve
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523.124 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Booze ain't food | Mon Aug 28 1995 15:42 | 7 |
| How can anyone somewhat agree that there is truth or a truth?
Beliefs define truth for us and a search for truth defines beliefs.
It's a vicious circle, a catch 22, a conundrum, the tail wagging the
dog. My brain hurts.
I require a liter of my I.P.A. 8^p
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523.126 | | CSOA1::LEECH | Dia do bheatha. | Mon Aug 28 1995 17:24 | 10 |
| re: .124
I was being nice and not saying that he agreed wholeheartedly, since
his words only implied that there was another truth. Since another
truth was implied, it actually backed up my statement that there is
one truth. This is somewhat of an infinite logical loop, which is a
great headache inducer. 8^)
-steve
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523.127 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Look at the BONES! | Mon Aug 28 1995 17:29 | 6 |
| > This is somewhat of an infinite logical loop, which is a
> great headache inducer. 8^)
So is endless thumping, especially to those who DGAAC.
-b
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523.130 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:07 | 1 |
| What is Truth?
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523.131 | I sense a hummingbird in the area.... | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:10 | 1 |
| What is the the meaning of life?
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523.132 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Booze ain't food | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:12 | 1 |
| The answer is 42.
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523.133 | | CSOA1::LEECH | Dia do bheatha. | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:13 | 18 |
| >So is endless thumping, especially to those who DGAAC.
Who's thumping? I agreed with John that there is one truth that none
of us has the copyright on. I made no other inferences on where said
truth can be found, now did I? If I had qualified it with "Bible" or
somesuch, then you can accuse me of thumping.
In any case, this IS a thumper topic, so if I wuz thumpin I wuz dooin
eet in zee rit plase.
Do you think that truth is a variable (situation), or are there
universal absolutes? From this point on, we DO get into thumping, as
the ultimate truth can only be defined by the Creator who knows all.
If there is no Creator, then truth is indeed optional or relational,
relative to one's frame of mind.
-steve
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523.134 | | POWDML::CKELLY | The Proverbial Bad Penny | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:21 | 3 |
| re:.132
but what is the correct question for the answer?
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523.135 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:23 | 1 |
| I'll have to think about it.
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523.136 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:24 | 19 |
| .128
> when God says it, He says "I AM". Christ just
> says "I am"...
> even if the phrases were identical in the original text.
There there is no question of the phrases' being identical in the
original texts, because one was written in Hebrew and the other in
Greek. The reason, however, that the Old Testament version is written
as "I AM" is that HEBREW DOESN'T HAVE LOWERCASE LETTERS. Greek does.
Any use of upper or lowercase in translating Hebrew is strictly at the
discretion of the translator(s).
But exegetically speaking, the "I AM" of YHWH is semantically the same
as the "I am" of Jesus, namely the FIRST PERSON PRESENT INDICATIVE.
Jesus did not say, "Before Abraham, I was." He said, "I am" in order
to indicate the continuity of his existence outside the bounds of time
- an attribute possessed only by God himself. It was an unequivocal
statement: "I am God."
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523.138 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:36 | 1 |
| Boring as Beckett.
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523.139 | Try honesty | DASHER::RALSTON | Idontlikeitsojuststopit!! | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:46 | 8 |
| >What is Truth?
Truth is a mushy, hydra-headed word. Everyone disputes its meaning.
Truth denotes a static assertion that changes from person to person,
opinion to opinion, culture to culture. Thus, truth is a hollow
manipulative word promulgated by many to gain credibility for
deception. Discard the word truth and insert the word honesty! See
where it leads.
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523.140 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Look at the BONES! | Mon Aug 28 1995 18:52 | 29 |
| > In any case, this IS a thumper topic, so if I wuz thumpin I wuz dooin
> eet in zee rit plase.
Close but no cigar. Thumper notes are like a self-fulfilling
prophecy. Any reference to Truth/God/Jesus/Elvis/Satan/Evyl/
Sex/EvylSex/AnyKindOfSex/GayPeopleBetterNotHaveSex/IReally
WantToHaveSexButAmHopelesslyRepressed/WhatIsSexLikeAnyway?
get turned into a chance to render the masses unconscious with
riveting tales of Biblical Bilge. While this note presently
sucks itself down the rathole known as "Truth", there is
still ample opportunity for mounting the pulpit for a go.
Consider my complaint a pre-emptive strike.
>Do you think that truth is a variable (situation), or are there
>universal absolutes? From this point on, we DO get into thumping, as
>the ultimate truth can only be defined by the Creator who knows all.
>If there is no Creator, then truth is indeed optional or relational,
>relative to one's frame of mind.
I'm not preoccupied with truth. The computer scientist's view
of "truth" is adequate for my needs. A statement is either provably
true, provably false or no proof has been discovered. It doesn't
bother me that for most statements, a proof has not been
discovered. We'll probably knock off a good part of that list
given another billion years or so. I haven't thrown my hat in
with anything that requires a logical result of 1 to give my
life meaning, and I don't intend to.
-b
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523.142 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Look at the BONES! | Mon Aug 28 1995 19:08 | 5 |
|
How do we know that Jesus didn't say "I Yam". Maybe he was
a vegetarian. :-)
-b
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523.143 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Booze ain't food | Mon Aug 28 1995 19:19 | 9 |
| Funny thing about the Vogons. They don't really deserve it but yet
there there are, cavorting throughout the cosmos, reeking havoc (or
just plain reeking) doing as they please and screwing up pivotal
universal experiments whose sole purpose is to actually confuse things
more than they are already and cause the intergalactic stock markets to
fluctuate wildly resulting in euphoria or suicide as the case my be.
OMIGAWD! I need a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster straight away!
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523.144 | | RUSURE::GOODWIN | | Mon Aug 28 1995 19:30 | 4 |
| > How do we know that Jesus didn't say "I Yam". Maybe he was
> a vegetarian. :-)
Wouldn't that mean he was a vegetable?
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523.145 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Mon Aug 28 1995 19:32 | 7 |
| .141
You have misinterpretad my use of uppercase letters as shouting. I was
merely impressing on your brain the effect of Hebrew, which lacks lower
case and so, then, by your lights, must be nothing but shouting.
Don't go yet, you haven't been sufficiently thumped. :-)
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523.146 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Mon Aug 28 1995 19:54 | 6 |
| | <<< Note 523.142 by MPGS::MARKEY "Look at the BONES!" >>>
| How do we know that Jesus didn't say "I Yam". Maybe he was a vegetarian. :-)
Just like Popeye? :-)
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523.147 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Mon Aug 28 1995 19:55 | 6 |
| | <<< Note 523.145 by SMURF::BINDER "Night's candles are burnt out." >>>
| Don't go yet, you haven't been sufficiently thumped. :-)
Now Dick..... that's a loaded statement if I ever heard one. :-)
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523.149 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Been complimented by a toady lately? | Mon Aug 28 1995 21:47 | 13 |
|
re: .127
>So is endless thumping, especially to those who DGAAC.
So Bri...
Do a dir 523/all and see who the majority of the "thumpers" are...
When I saw all the inane replies... I was one of those who "DGAAC"
YMMV...
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523.150 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Tue Sep 05 1995 21:10 | 12 |
| > <<< Note 523.112 by ONOFRE::SKELLY_JO >>>
>
> John 8:58 is very interesting. I, too, would tend to interpret it as a
> self-identification with the deity, but then again, it could mean only that
> he felt he had been planned for since the beginning and what God plans, for
> all intents and purposes, exists always. Perhaps he even felt he had
> existed since the beginning, but maybe only as an eternal creation of God,
> not God Himself.
The reaction of the Pharisees says how it was meant.
Mike
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523.151 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Tue Sep 05 1995 21:16 | 19 |
| > <<< Note 523.128 by ONOFRE::SKELLY_JO >>>
>
> Perhaps this is clearer in the original language. In my translation, the
> New American Standard Bible, when God says it, He says "I AM". Christ just
> says "I am". I would infer that the translators recognized a difference,
> even if the phrases were identical in the original text.
Congrats on your choice of an excellent study Bible. I use the same
version. Please keep in mind though that the O.T. was written in
Hebrew and the N.T. in Greek. If you want to compare apples, look to
the Greek word used in John 8:58 and in the Septuagint (Greek
translation of the O.T. completed ~300 B.C.) for Exodus 3:14.
> Not being a scholar, I can't quibble about it. Still, since you ask, it
> could be clearer. Christ could have just said, "I am God".
John, I think He did.
Mike
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523.153 | | POWDML::HANGGELI | Petite Chambre des Maudites | Thu Sep 07 1995 19:28 | 5 |
|
It's easier to empty the ocean into a hole in the sand than it is to
explain the mystery of the Trinity.
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523.154 | Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani! | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Sep 07 1995 19:28 | 8 |
| re .152
Well, he was actually quoting the Psalmist, in a wonderful psalm (22)
which begins with the very human feeling of helplessness that God felt
upon the Cross and ends with the praise of God who "hears them when
they cry to him."
/john
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523.156 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Sep 07 1995 22:04 | 9 |
| This requires an understanding of the triune nature of God, which
involves a synthesis of several passages using the entire Bible for
context. Right off the bat, most agree that the Holy Spirit is God so
you immediately have more than 1 member of the Godhead.
If you're really interested in this, I have a 500-line report that I
think summarizes it very well. Let me know if you want to see it.
Mike
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523.157 | One of, I believe, 437 prophecies. | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Thu Sep 07 1995 22:33 | 10 |
| .155
>>Well, he was actually quoting the Psalmist, in a wonderful psalm (22)
>So He wasn't really crying out to God, but sort of waxing philosphical with
>a little poetry for the benefit of His audience? Is that what you
>mean?
He was fulfilling a prophecy made about him.
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523.158 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Sep 07 1995 23:02 | 6 |
| > -< One of, I believe, 437 prophecies. >-
Actually there are 332 Messianic prophecies in the O.T., all fulfilled
by Jesus Christ.
Mike
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523.160 | I'll find the other 105. | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Fri Sep 08 1995 04:42 | 9 |
|
.158
Mike,
I distinctly remember there being more. I'll look it up. 437 is stuck
on the brain, but perhaps you are right.
8*P (tongue hung out from working, large eyes, bozo nose, etc.)
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523.161 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Fri Sep 08 1995 18:01 | 4 |
| I think the 400+ number relates to total number of prophecies fulfilled
from the O.T. That number sounds familiar to me as well.
Mike
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523.162 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Fri Sep 08 1995 18:54 | 18 |
| .161
Lest you forget in your enthusiasm, Jesus is represented in the NT as
being skilled in exegesis - i.e., he knew how to draw meanings from the
Hebrew scriptures. (At the age of 12, we are told, he was amazing the
rabbis of the Temple with his brilliance.) Any such person, once he
discovered that he satisfied the small number of prophecies dealing
with the birth of the Messiah, could very well design his own path to
ensure that he satisfied the rest. Were he a competent conjuror with a
few accomplices with the same political goals, he could accomplish the
apparent miracles as well - and his accomplices would ensure that the
deired "truth" about him was passed down. Hell, Senator Peckerweed
came close, he just didn't think far enough ahead to lie to his diaries
the way Nicole Hollander has described on many occasions.
In terms of fulfilling prophecies, it is POSSIBLE that Jesus was a fake.
For verification that he was who he claimed to be, one must needs look
further. Which is why C. S. Lewis wrote "The Case for Christianity."
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523.163 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Look at the BONES! | Fri Sep 08 1995 18:55 | 6 |
|
Criminy Binder... if you're going to keep fixing and reposting
your notes, _at least_ fix the "one must needs" in the second
to last line. Otherwise, you won't appear perfect. :-) :-)
-b
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523.164 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | Wanna see my scar? | Fri Sep 08 1995 18:56 | 1 |
| And the "deired truth" thingy.
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523.165 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:03 | 18 |
| .163
> "one must needs"
May I respectfully suggest you investigate that phrase more closely.
Should you deign to do so, you will find that it is, although an
archaic usage, entirely valid and correct English.
.164
> deired
No, I think I'll leave that, it's a typo, not a misuse, and it were
better that you have at least a tiny sign of my imperfection lest you
begin to worship me.
(Oh, yes, Bri, "it were better" is also correct English. It's a
subjunctive verb form.)
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523.166 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Look at the BONES! | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:14 | 13 |
|
Seemed redundant to me, Hare Binder. Either:
"One must look no further"
or
"One needs look no further"
are sufficient. IMHO, and notwithstanding the English grammar
lesson I'm about to receive... :-)
-b
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523.167 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:17 | 6 |
| .166
"one must needs do..." when it was current, meant "one must, being
compelled by necessity, do..."
The juxtaposition of "must" and "needs" is an emphatic construction.
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523.168 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | Wanna see my scar? | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:26 | 3 |
| Well it sounds like a 4-year-old made up that construction.
The English language ain't always purty.
|
523.169 | | SHRCTR::DAVIS | | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:28 | 7 |
| <<< Note 523.167 by SMURF::BINDER "Night's candles are burnt out." >>>
Sorry, Richardo, but Bri's right. No matter how you slice it, it's
overkill/excess/bad form. I must needs assume you are artfully wiggling out
of being caught with your linguistic pants down.
Tom :')
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523.170 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Baddy 48 shoes | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:31 | 1 |
| I will side with Hare Binder's slice at language.
|
523.172 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:48 | 6 |
| .169
Well, shoot, if you're gonna make me look it up for you...
W9NCD lists "needs" as "of necessity," indicating that the usage is
archaic. Which sort of thing, damme, I enjoy.
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523.173 | | CSOA1::LEECH | Dia do bheatha. | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:51 | 2 |
| Binder is correct in his usage (the 'must needs' thing). Old, but
correct. What do you expect from a curmudgeon? 8^)
|
523.174 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Been complimented by a toady lately? | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:56 | 5 |
|
Yes, but he spouts about how language is/should be dynamic and always
changing, and there he goes, being archaic all the time...
|
523.175 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Baddy 48 shoes | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:57 | 1 |
| He's such a funny bunny that Hare Binder.
|
523.176 | | SMURF::BINDER | Night's candles are burnt out. | Fri Sep 08 1995 19:59 | 6 |
| .174
So you got a problem if I want to inject a little dynamism into
20th-century language by throwing in something most of my readers
aren't familiar with? Hey, I'd say it's better this than that I
attempt to spark a revival of bell-bottoms and platform shoes, nyet?
|
523.177 | :) | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Been complimented by a toady lately? | Fri Sep 08 1995 20:21 | 9 |
|
> attempt to spark a revival of bell-bottoms and platform shoes,
Now that's a scary vision!!!
Dick Binder.... in bell-bottoms and platform shoes, with beads around
his neck and granny glasses on the end of his nose, spouting about
"what needs be"!!!!
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523.178 | talk about oceanfront property | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Fri Sep 08 1995 20:42 | 15 |
| > rabbis of the Temple with his brilliance.) Any such person, once he
> discovered that he satisfied the small number of prophecies dealing
> with the birth of the Messiah, could very well design his own path to
> ensure that he satisfied the rest. Were he a competent conjuror with a
> few accomplices with the same political goals, he could accomplish the
> apparent miracles as well - and his accomplices would ensure that the
> deired "truth" about him was passed down. Hell, Senator Peckerweed
Dick, you of course neglect the many fulfillments that were made while
He was completely "out of the loop" and the fact that the conspirators
all went to their graves to make sure nobody blew "the plan."
Senator Peckerweed just didn't draft the right people.
Mike
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523.179 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Feb 06 1997 01:57 | 128 |
523.180 | | POMPY::LESLIE | Andy, DEC man walking... | Thu Feb 06 1997 10:05 | 1 |
| So. A lunatic, then.
|