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Conference back40::soapbox

Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
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Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
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383.0. "INTERNET Services" by DASHER::RALSTON (Ain't Life Fun!) Tue Apr 11 1995 18:21

    I am about to become a member of the internet community, at home. I
    have the opportunity to sign up for a few services, but before I make a 
    decision as to which on-line service to use I need input. Please help
    with comments and suggestions.
    
    Right now I'm looking at:	America Online
    				Compuserve
    				Prodigy
    				ImagiNation
    				GEnie
    				AT&T Easylink
    
    Any others? 
    
    Democrats, Republicans, independents, Socialist, Facists, Communists, 
    Right and left wing radicals, Catholics, Protestants, Buddists,
    Muslims, Hindus, firemen, cowboys, doctors, lawyers (I take that back,
    no lawyers), technical people, non-technical people and anyone else
    that might have anything to say (In SOAPBOX??, Naaaaw, Never! Just
    can't seem to find people with an opinion around here anymore :-)) are 
    all invited to participate.
    
    ...Tom
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383.1ASABET::EARLYLose anything but your sense of humor.Tue Apr 11 1995 18:2812
    I use American Online and find it pretty good. Although I have nothing
    to compare it to because I've not tried any of the others. It is easy
    to navigate, has access to stock quotations and business information I
    would look at, and my kids have even used it to locate a teacher on
    line to help them with their homework.  
    
    Mail service seems pretty good, and the number of publications on line
    is pretty impressive. Maybe others have equal or similar features; I
    don't know.
    
    /se
    
383.2MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Tue Apr 11 1995 18:3111
I'm not familiar with the last two on your list, but considered the rest.

I declined all of them and went with Spry's Internet In A Box software
($80-$90 at Costco) and signed up for a SLIP account with a local
service provider. For $25/mo I get 25 hrs of connect time ($1.50/hr
thereafter) and all internet access with the Spry software (Email,
Mosaic, Newsgroup reader, Telnet, Gopher, etc.) It doesn't provide
any of the private forums that Prodigy/Compuserve/AOL/etc. have, but
it does give me all of the internet access I want, without tying me to
anybody's "plan".

383.3STAR::MWOLINSKIuCoder sans FrontieresTue Apr 11 1995 18:3723
    
    
    Rep .0
    
    >>>I am about to become a member of the internet community
    
    
    	The first question is what services are you looking for???
    	ie; WWW browser, E-Mail, FTP, usenit newsgroups, ...
    
    	I know AOL and Compuserve dodn't have WWW browsers yet and they
    	say they'll have them "soon" so if you want to go web surfing 
    	now I won't go with them. Prodigy has a browser but I'm not sure
    	which one so you might want to check them out before you sign up.
    	The other thing is to check what the connect time charges are and
    	see if a Internet service provider like I use is a better deal.
    	Most ISP charge $20-30/month for 20-60 hours of connect time and
    	you typically get all of the services I mentioned so do some
     	checking before you sign up for anything.
    
    	-mike
    
    
383.4CSLALL::HENDERSONFriend will you be ready?Tue Apr 11 1995 18:3717


 I have AOL and (for a brief period Prodigy).  I like AOL, its easy to use
 though there is no (as of now) WWW browser though supposedly it's (looky there
 di) on the way.  Prodigy has a WWW browser and is also easy to use from what
 I can see but I doubt I'll keep it.  I don't like the fact that that there's
 advertising on every page.


 There's a new outfit that had an ad in the paper yesterday..Pipeline USA that
 for 19.95/month gives you unlimited access to the WWW, etc.




 Jim
383.5Try Delphi.VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyTue Apr 11 1995 18:389
    Check out Delphi.  I did but because of my location I had to junk
    'em.  They carry a full line of Internet services as opposed to
    many of the ones you mention which "are working on it".  Also,
    I don't believe delphi would "lose" any of your mail, like one
    of the mentioned...
    
    Don't worry about this windows gui crap, just get in there and go.
    
    MadMike
383.6VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyTue Apr 11 1995 18:439
    Another thing, hold onto your wallet.  Look at all these little
    services all over the place.  Most of this stuff is available
    out on the unfiltered web. 
    
    I see my internet access as a benefit of working here.  At the same
    time, I try to NOT ABUSE my account.  No filthy pictures, or
    flaming people in the name of digital or yanking large things around.
    Also no commercial spoofing/spamming.  Stuff like that.  
                                   
383.7DASHER::RALSTONAin't Life Fun!Tue Apr 11 1995 18:547
    re: .6
    
    >Most of this stuff is available out on the unfiltered web.
    
    Please explain.
    
    ..Tom
383.8SMURF::BINDERvitam gustareTue Apr 11 1995 18:5517
    I hve AOL and like it, but I don't use it for my real Internet access
    because I also have a SLIP account here at Digital.  AOL's Internet
    access is generally pretty good, however, probably better than any of
    the ones listed except Delphi, which is basically straight-through UNIX
    access.  The AOL WWW browser is absolutely coming - I know someone who
    is beta-testing it.
    
    AOL is the easiest to use, by a wide margin; its GUI is much more
    straightforward than the others', and it has online help.
    
    Cost is a consideration, which puts AOL and Prodigy high on the list;
    of these two, I would unquestionably recommend choosing AOL for reasons
    that I can't put in a public notesfile.  CompuServe is more expensive
    per month, and it also has higher connect-time charges, especially for
    access at 9600 bps or faster; in addition, many areas of CompuServe,
    including the download libraries, are premium areas that cost still
    more.
383.10CSLALL::HENDERSONFriend will you be ready?Tue Apr 11 1995 19:149

 One thing I liked about Compuserve was they had a good library of download
 stuff for FlightSimulator.  AOL has one, but not quite as good as CS.




 Jim
383.11Lot's of hype, lots of busses to run you down, etc...VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyTue Apr 11 1995 19:1744
    re: Note 383.7 by DASHER::RALSTON
    
    >>Most of this stuff is available out on the unfiltered web
    > Please explain.
    
    Most places specialize stuff and they have their own conferences
    which parallel, but are far more limited in what is out on the
    net.
    
    Not being a surfer on the "big providers" I gather that they
    offer (for a fee) all sorts of specific services, many of which are 
    available to people with web access (for free).
    
    For example Weather, travel and political crap.  You can get this stuff
    off the web just as easily as paying an extra 5 bucks to compuserve
    or whatever.  Maybe that's why they're lax in getting web browsers
    going.  It'll render a lot of their extra cost services useless.
    
    You need unfiltered, unlimited access onto the net.  Now, the question
    is who do you get it from?  Probably like Jack said, from a small
    no nonsense provider.  I looked into that because I wanted to
    "do some things" which didn't have any business going to a digital
    account.  On the other hand, I don't care what the weather in china
    is like, nor do I want to be bombarded with adverting or go into
    a Rush Limbaugh conference.  If I want Rush I'll go to usenet,
    mail is simple, If I want some software from Microsoft I'll ftp
    it, and if I really want to know what the weather in China's like
    I'll browse (via lynx) some china page or something.
    
    I think even if you go with a big provider, they _may_, MAY filter
    things.  A quick way to prove/disprove this is if someone can
    say if usenet news is filtered, i.e is alt.sex.pianos (or whatever)
    available from $*#%@%)@%*#@?  If not, it's filtered.  What else
    did they block access from? (alt.politics.were-not-pc-enough-4-u).
    
    I say this because I think the urge to spend $$$$HYPE$$$$$$ on
    the internet market is ripe.  Especially for people one could call
    "suckers".  Your doing good, shopping around and making an informed
    decision.  Not knowing SPECIFICALLY what you need, a big provider
    may fit the bill fine (if you write shareware and want a non
    work address to get mail/$$$ for example).
    
    Regards,
    MadMike
383.12MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Tue Apr 11 1995 19:2720
Another bit about "things being available" - 

I think I mentioned this to Jim Henderson recently. I bought the $80 Spry
package not because I couldn't get all of the features it provided for
free by scrounging around on the net for them (I could have), but because
it offered me a relatively seamless integrated package which included
all of those features along with a relatively foolproof installation
procedure and a phone number to call for support if I run into trouble.
I could have gotten all the software (Mail, web browser, etc.) as freeware
or shareware and wrestled with it myself for god only knows how long
before I had it working in a fashion that appeared to be correct, but I chose
instead to spend $80 up front in exchange for a fifteen minute installation
which was followed immediately by several hours of problem-free web surfing.

It depends upon whether you'd rather spend time or money. I figure, when I
want to play engineer and wrestle with stuff I'll do that. But when I just
want something that works, I'm willing to pay for someone else already having
done the engineering.


383.13Prodigy is fine but watch the usageSWAM1::MEUSE_DATue Apr 11 1995 19:5221
    
    re.0
    
    I've had Prodigy now, about 3 months. I get the basic service which
    is $9.95 up to 5 hours.Over that is 2.95 an hour. They have different
    pricing packages a 14.95 package and a 29.95 package for up to 30
    hours.
    
    They have all access WWW and usenet. Nothing is filtered at all
    in the alt. groups on usenet. Some pretty kinky stuff.
    
    Easy to use. And the WWW/Usenet usage is included in the package
    rate, plus other Prodigy stuff. I am happy with it.
    
    Downloaded a bunch of Penthouse and Playboy from WWW just to
    make sure my Prodigy viewer worked. It worked.
    
    Prodigy has been upgrading WWW weekly.
    
    Dave
    
383.14MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Tue Apr 11 1995 20:055
>    Prodigy has been upgrading WWW weekly.
    
Do you mean that they upgrade the browser software weekly, Dave?
    

383.15there i go again.SWAM1::MEUSE_DATue Apr 11 1995 20:095
    
    yep, that's what I meant to say.
    
    Dave
    
383.16CSLALL::HENDERSONFriend will you be ready?Tue Apr 11 1995 20:179


 I like having a WWW browser which I have with Prodigy until my free 10
 hours are up.  I just don't know what to do with it :-/



 Jim
383.17CSLALL::HENDERSONFriend will you be ready?Wed Apr 12 1995 02:3115

  Interestingly, I came home today to find a "We want you to come back" package
 from Compuserve..I'd cancelled several months ago..so, not being one to turn
 down $25 in extended access credits I signed up..if for nothing else than to
 download a bunch of flight simulator stuff that I wasn't able to get
 previously..or is that being deceptive?  I'll keep the membership for
 a couple months anyway.



 Jim (who just won't tell his son, Chris about it)



383.18aolDELNI::SHOOKFowl Play Suspected in Hen House DeathWed Apr 12 1995 03:238
    
    i also must join the ranks in support of aol. i have been using it ever
    since i bought my new pc, and i love it. it's very user-friendly, it
    has the information that i need, and the price for the service that i
    get is better than the other on-line services that i have looked at. i
    can't wait for aol's access to the www! 
    
    
383.19MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Wed Apr 12 1995 03:415
.17> or is that being deceptive?

You'd need to consult with Di on that one, Jim.

:^)
383.20Working on the night movesAIMTEC::MORABITO_PHotlanta RocksWed Apr 12 1995 06:2812
I signed on with NETCOM a few months back.  $19.95/mo with 40 hours free
prime time.  Prime time is 10:00am - 12mid your local time.  Weekends are
free.  I have heard some people complain about NETCOM, but it does everything
I need (WWW, Usenet, Gopher, FTP, etc).  Their interface is Netcruiser, which
is user friendly.  The speed is fair, right now 9600 is the limit.  This is 
supposed to change.  If you are in Atlanta you may want to check out a local
provider called Mindspring.  This is faster and is a local service as opposed
to Netcom, which is in Palo Alto.  Mindspring is around $35.00 for unlimited
connect time and $15.00 for 15hr/mo.  

Paul
383.21CSLALL::HENDERSONFriend will you be ready?Wed Apr 12 1995 13:0315


>.17> or is that being deceptive?

>You'd need to consult with Di on that one, Jim.



 ;-)  I'm sure she'll let me know.




 Jim
383.22ROWLET::AINSLEYLess than 150kts is TOO slow!Wed Apr 12 1995 14:1310
    Well,  I use a local internet access provider ($19.95/month UNLIMITED
    access via PPP connection) and I have an AOL account.  I was planning
    on canceling AOL after the free time ran out, but I'm not finished
    prowling around there yet.  I wouldn't even consider Prodigy due to
    their past censorship policies and advertising.  I'm probably wrong,
    but the impression I get about Compu$erve is that everything I might
    have a use for is extra charge and they (used to?) charge for Internet
    mail.
    
    Bob
383.23SMURF::BINDERvitam gustareWed Apr 12 1995 14:221
    CompuServe still charges for each Internet mail message you receive.
383.24They all basically work...GAAS::BRAUCHERWed Apr 12 1995 19:446
    
    I use AOL.  But I never really compared other choices, so I'm
    probably not choosing wisely.  For the amount I use it, one is
    as good as another.
    
      bb
383.25EVMS::MORONEYVerbing weirds languagesWed Apr 12 1995 21:282
For what it's worth, former 'Boxer Joe Tomkowitz now runs a small
Internet service provider (iii.net) in Fitchburg.
383.26ISP for meTINCUP::AGUEDTN-592-4939, 719-598-3498(SSL)Thu Apr 13 1995 14:2616
    I second the motion to go with a small internet provider.  Just be
    sure you sense some stablity with the outfit, particularly if you want
    the EMAIL address assigned to you to last.  Nothing worse than
    subscribing to a bunch of mailing list conferences, and then losing
    your EMAIL account.
    
    In Colorado Springs, there are two major players, and more to come. 
    Internet Express and Rocky Mountain Internet.  Both provide local,
    toll-free number.  IE also has toll-free, outlets in several other CO, 
    NM, AZ cities, as well as an 800 number.
    
    I picked IE because of its domain name, USA.NET.  I feel having an
    email address of ague@usa.net is worth something because it is
    easy to remember.
    
    -- Jim
383.27One Vote for NetcomJULIET::VASQUEZ_JEIa oro te natura....Fri Apr 14 1995 16:477
    I have been using Netcom for about two months now.  For $19.95/month I
    get 40 hrs of prime time and unlimited prime time use.  Full WWW
    access, internet newsgroups (including alt.* hierarchy), free e-mail,
    telnet and irc.  Not only am I really happy with it, but my computer
    challenged hubby has taken to the web with a vengence.  
    
    -jer
383.28COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu May 11 1995 18:2476
FEC authorizes political fund raising over the Internet
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

(c) Copyright the News & Observer Publishing Co.

From wire reports

WASHINGTON (1:06 p.m.) -- With little fanfare, the Federal Election
Commission has authorized campaigns to raise money over the vast Internet, a
move that gives fund-raisers a broad new audience to tap at virtually no
cost.

"This won't really catch on in time for '96, but by the 2000 elections, this
will be the way we do business," said Matt Dorsey, executive director of the
NewtWatch political action committee.

Dorsey's committee, which was created to raise money to oppose House Speaker
Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., won the groundbreaking decision that opened the
Internet to political fund raising.

His group asks Internet browsers to send money after they've glanced through
its often-irreverent information on Gingrich, which ranges from ethics
complaints filed against the speaker to details on his donors and personal
finances.

"The good news is, about 20,000 people have browsed through this in the last
month," Dorsey said. "The bad news is, 20,000 people haven't given money
yet."

The FEC approved Dorsey's request last month, concluding it was a logical
extension of other high-tech fund-raising methods already permitted,
including electronic fund transfers from a donor's bank account and properly
documented use of credit cards.

While veteran fund-raisers are cautious about the potential, others think
the breadth of the Internet -- it has in excess of 10 million users -- and
its low cost will soon make it a natural for fund-raising drives.

"This is just the tip of the iceberg," said Tony Corrado, a former
Democratic strategist and campaign finance expert who teaches at Colby
College in Maine. "This is a whole new potential realm of activity -- the
National Rifle Association could now have another weapon in its arsenal."

Most professional fund-raisers agree on at least two things -- the Internet
is targeted at a different type of donor, and is extremely cheap.

"The No. 1 problem, it seems to me, is you're hitting a group of people
that's different from those that are most predisposed to giving," said Eddie
Mahe, a longtime Republican fund-raiser.

"People in their mid-50s with money, those are the people who make political
contributions in this country. Those aren't the people using these on-line
services," he said.

Added Bob Farmer, a longtime Democratic Party fund-raiser: "If I were
managing a campaign today, I wouldn't put a very big figure next to my
expected revenue for that. These things take time to develop, but the
potential is there."

Dorsey acknowledges that neither he nor anyone else expects to reach the
typical high-profile donor -- the corporate executive or wealthy attorney --
through the information superhighway.

"Those people like to personally deliver a check, shake a candidate's hand,
get their picture taken with him," Dorsey said. "The Internet doesn't allow
for that kind of stroking. We're looking for smaller donors."

Dorsey's pitch for cash points out that while PACs can receive up to $5,000
per year, "we're happy with your support of $10, $20, or even $5."

What the Internet offers is a far cheaper way to raise small donations,
which prolific fund-raising groups such as the National Rifle Association
currently solicit through expensive direct-mail campaigns.

"It costs me about $30 a month," Dorsey explained. "I can't even buy a roll
of stamps for that."
383.29What jurisdiction do they have here?DECWIN::RALTOIt's a small third world after allSat May 13 1995 03:016
    The dark side of .28 (which may indeed have been the whole point,
    so excuse me for belaboring the obvious if so) is that the Feds
    have taken it upon themselves to "authorize" anything at all over
    the Internet.  Who asked them?
    
    Chris
383.30DASHER::RALSTONAnagram: Lost hat on MarsSat May 13 1995 04:424
    As always, the FEDs will take whatever they can by force. Nobody has to
    ask!
    
    ...Tom
383.31COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertSun May 14 1995 21:375
>What jurisdiction do they have here?

They have jursidiction over all election fundraising.

/john
383.32A long journey starts with a single step, and all thatAMN1::RALTOIt's a small third world after allTue May 16 1995 16:2913
>> >> What jurisdiction do they have here?

>> They have jursidiction over all election fundraising.
    
    Right, but to fill my paranoid reply quota for the day, I'll add
    that it's easy for them to begin control by exerting some authority
    that they've already established in an indirectly-related area.
    It's not surprising that they'd start with governmental usage,
    but the net effect is to get people accustomed to accepting Federal
    edicts regarding Internet usage.  I'd predict that there will be
    more forthcoming.
    
    Chris
383.33NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue May 16 1995 16:311
OK, Chris, no more paranoid replies till midnight.
383.34CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanFri May 19 1995 13:018

 AOL's WWW browser is working, though I find it slow.  Lots of griping whiners
 who can't read/follow instructions are taking up a lot of space complaining,
 much of which is uncalled for.


 Jim
383.35DASHER::RALSTONAnagram: Lost hat on MarsFri May 19 1995 13:489
    Jim
    
    I haven'y tried it yet. I decided to wait for Rev 2.5 software to be
    officially released. I think they say it will be released this month or
    the beginning of June.
    
    Is it user friendly??
    
    ...Tom
383.36CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanFri May 19 1995 14:0923



>    Jim
    
>    I haven'y tried it yet. I decided to wait for Rev 2.5 software to be
>    officially released. I think they say it will be released this month or
>    the beginning of June.
    


    good idea...I downloaded the "preview" software.  It seems to be user 
    friendly, though slow (I'm using 14.4 modem) and a number of folks have
    commented positively on the features.  last night I poked around in a 
    couple places and got tired of being in continuous "hourglass" mode
    and finally exited the system.  Hopefully some of the bugs will be worked
    out (and I need to ensure I'm using it properly of course.  There are a 
    number of AOL folks in the message boards ready to answer questions.



    Jim
383.37MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Fri May 19 1995 14:489
> got tired of being in continuous "hourglass" mode and
> finally exited the system.

This seems to be pretty common. Happens to me with my service provider
and my Spry software, too. When 15 minutes go by and I haven't had
another byte transmitted and I haven't gotten a server timeout error
(and actually find that either the dialer or the mosaic has "stopped
responding"), I figure it's a bug. I'd be glad to hear a better explanation.

383.38DASHER::RALSTONAnagram: Lost hat on MarsFri May 19 1995 18:069
    >(I'm using 14.4 modem)
    
    I was in the "Members Helping Members" file ( I stay in the Free time
    alot) and one guy said that he went out and purchased a 28.8 modem and
    it really helped. In fact he suggested not wasting time on WWW unless
    you have a 28.8. I have a 14.4 also and am wondering if this guys knows
    what he is talking about.
    
    ...Tom
383.39CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanFri May 19 1995 19:115


 Somebody told me when I bought the 14.4 (at a darned good price) that I'd
 need a 28.8 for WWW surfing..I think he was right..
383.40If it's a real complicated page, I read Soapbox in another windowCOVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri May 19 1995 20:0610
I use Netscape with a 9600 PPP connection, and it's quite acceptable.

A lot of the time is not data transfer, but waiting for connections to be
made.

In addition, the data has to get to your internet provider.  If your
internet provider is fairly loaded, the data won't be available at the
router fast enough to make the 28.8 consistently make a big difference.

/john
383.41SMURF::BINDERFather, Son, and Holy SpigotFri May 19 1995 20:133
    I also use Netscape at 9600, using SLIP instead of PPP, and even with
    SLIP it's acceptable.  And I'm often running three or four Telnet
    windows, an FTP connection, and a mail reader at the same time.
383.42DASHER::RALSTONAnagram: Lost hat on MarsFri May 19 1995 21:216
    So, depending on my online service, which at the moment is AOL, my 14.4
    should be adequate for WWW? Any suggestions on what I might be able to
    do (hardware or software) thay might increase efficiency enough to make
    it worthwhile?
    
    ...Tom 
383.43MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Sat May 20 1995 05:2412
I also use a 14.4. I agree that the delays at and up to the service
provider really indicate that a faster modem would be uncalled for.
A 28.8 would appear to be fine for a "dedicated connection" (e.g.
dialed into a host at DIGITAL at a quiet time when you might expect
the host to be serving little but yourself.) The behavior I observe
with my service provider, even on a good day, is that packets come
through in spurts, with idle time accounting for at least 50% of
the clock, as /john suggested, so a faster modem would simply end
up waiting longer, as it would be done with each spurt quicker, and
you're not going to get better throughput on the other end anyway.
.

383.44CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanSun Jun 04 1995 02:4314


 I recently downloaded Compuserve's "Netlauncher" which includes all
 sorts of stuff I can't begin to understand, but includes AirMosaic,
 which is actually quite nice for this novice surfer of the web.  Much
 quicker than AOLs and easier to use.  Not sure of the cost, however,
 which I suppose I should check out.  All in all, however, I like it.

 Now I just have to figure out what to do now that I'm there :-/



 Jim
383.45MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Sun Jun 04 1995 03:567
AirMosaic is part of the Spry software (Internet In A Box), Jim.
The whole package retails for around $80, including a configurator,
AirMail, Gopher, AirNews, etc. I don't know how the individual
pieces might be marketed. Could it be that since Compuserve has
"adopted" (actually they may have purchased) Spry, that it's
included in the Compuserve rates?

383.46CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanSun Jun 04 1995 19:0110


 Could be.  I believe CompuServe bought Spry.





 Jim
383.47Surfin' the net...introSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 29 1995 14:591355
Surfing the INTERNET: an Introduction Version 2.0.3
Revised May 15, 1993

c. 1992-1993 Jean Armour Polly.  Material quoted from other authors was  
compiled from public Internet posts by those authors. No copyright claims  
are made for those compiled quotes.  Permission to reprint is granted for  
nonprofit educational purposes. Please let me know if you find this  
compilation useful. This first (much shorter) version of this appeared in the  
June, 1992 Wilson Library Bulletin. Please include this entire  
copyright/copy notice if you duplicate this document. Updates may be ftp'd  
from nysernet.org (192.77.173.2) /pub/resources/guides. Please choose the  
most current version of surfing.the.internet.

Please send updates and corrections to: jpolly@nysernet.org

Today I'll travel to Minnesota, Texas, California, Cleveland, New Zealand,  
Sweden, and England. I'm not frantically packing, and I won't pick up any  
frequent flyer mileage. In fact, I'm sipping cocoa at my Macintosh. My  
trips will be electronic, using the computer on my desk, communications  
software, a modem, and a standard phone line.

I'll be using the Internet, the global network of computers and their  
interconnections, which lets me skip like a stone across oceans and  
continents and control computers at remote sites. I haven't "visited"  
Antarctica yet, but it is only a matter of time before a host computer  
becomes available there!

This short, non-technical article is an introduction to Internet  
communications and how librarians and libraries can benefit from net  
connectivity. Following will be descriptions of electronic mail, discussion  
lists, electronic journals and texts, and resources available to those willing  
to explore. Historical details about the building of the Internet and  
technical details regarding network speed and bandwidth are outside the s
cope of this piece.

What's Out There Anyway?

Until you use a radio receiver, you are unaware of the wealth of  
programming, music, and information otherwise invisible to you. Computer  
networks are much the same. About one million people worldwide use the  
Internet daily. Information packet traffic rises by 12% each month.

About 727,000 host computers are connected, according to a January, 1992  
report (Network Working Group  Request for Comments: 1296) by Mark  
K. Lottor. So, what's all the excitement about? What's zipping around in  
that fiber and cable and ether, anyway?

On my electronic adventure I browsed the online catalog at the University  
Library in Liverpool England, leaving some "hi there from Liverpool New  
York" mail for the librarian.

I downloaded some new Macintosh anti-virus software from Stanford's  
SUMEX archive.

Then I checked a few databases for information needed for this article, and  
scanned today's news stories.

I looked at the weather forecast for here in the East and for the San  
Francisco Bay area, forwarding that information to a friend in San Jose  
who would read it when he woke up. The Internet never closes!

After that I read some electronic mail from other librarians in Israel, Korea,  
England, Australia and all over the U.S. We're exchanging information  
about how to keep viruses off public computers, how to network CD  
ROMS, and how to reink inkjet printer cartridges, among other things.

I monitor about twelve discussion groups. Mail sent to the group address is  
distributed to all other "subscribers". It's similar to a round-robin  
discussion.  These are known variously as mailing lists, discussion groups,  
reflectors, aliases, or listservs, depending on what type they are and how  
they are driven.  Subscriptions are free.

One of these groups allows children and young adults all over the world to  
communicate with each other.  Kids from Cupertino to Moscow are talking  
about their lives, pets, families, hope and dreams. It's interesting to see  
that Nintendo is a universal language!

Teachers exchange lesson plans and bibliographies in another group, and  
schools participate in projects like the global market basket survey. For this  
project, students researched what foods a typical family of four would buy  
and prepare over one week's time. Their results were posted to the global  
project area, where they could be compared with reports from kids all over  
North and South America, India, Scandinavia, and Asia. It opened up  
discussions of dietary laws, staple foods, and cultural differences.

Other lists explore the worlds of library administration, reference, mystery  
readers, romance readers, bird-watcher hotlines, cat enthusiasts, X-Soviet  
Union watchers, packet radio techies, and thousands more. There is even a  
list to announce the creation of new lists!

The Power of the Net

A net connection in a school is like having multiple foreign exchange  
students in the classroom all the time. It promotes active, participatory  
learning. Participating in a discussion group is like being at an ongoing  
library conference. All the experts are Out There, waiting to be asked.

Want to buy a CD ROM drive? Send one query and "ask" the 3,000 folks  
on PACS-L (Public Access Computer Systems list) for advice. In a few  
hours you'll have personal testimonies on the pros and cons of various  
hardware configurations.

Want to see if any libraries are doing anything with Total Quality  
Management?  Ask the members of LIBADMIN and you'll have offers of  
reports, studies, personal experiences and more. How do you cope with  
budget cuts: personnel layoffs or materials? Again, LIBADMIN use allows  
shared advice.

Here is one story about the power of the net. At Christmas, an electronic  
plea came from Ireland. "My daughter believes in Santa Claus," it began.   
"And although the 'My Little Pony Megan & Sundance' set has not been  
made in three years, she believes Santa will prevail and she will find one  
under her tree." Mom, a university professor, had called the manufacturer  
in the US, but none were available. "Check around," they said, "maybe  
some yet stand on store shelves." So Mom sent the call out to the net.

Many readers began a global search for the wily Pony as part of their own  
holiday shopping forays.

Soon, another message came from Dublin. It seemed that a reader of the  
original message had a father who was a high-ranking executive in the toy  
company, and he had managed to acquire said pony where others had  
failed!

It was duly shipped in time to save Santa's reputation.

Part of the library's mission is to help remove barriers to accessing  
information, and part of this is removing barriers between people. One of  
the most interesting things about telecommunications is that it is the Great  
Equalizer. It lets all kinds of computers and humans talk to each other.  The  
old barriers of sexism, ageism, and racism are not present, since you can't  
see the person to whom you're "speaking". You get to know the person  
without preconceived notions about what you THINK he is going to say,  
based on visual prejudices you may have, no matter how innocent.

Well, almost without visual prejudice. Electronic mail is not always an  
harmonic convergence of like souls adrift in the cyberspace cosmos: there  
are arguments and tirades (called "flames"). Sometimes you get so used to  
seeing a frequent poster's electronic signature that you know what he's  
going to say before he says it!

Smileys

One problem with written communication is that remarks meant to be  
humorous are often lost. Without the visual body-language clues, some  
messages may be misinterpreted. So a visual shorthand known as "smileys"  
has been developed.  There are a hundred or more variations on this theme-
:-) That's a little smiley face. Look at it sideways.  (more Smiley info may  
be found via anonymous ftp at  many places, including the following:  
nic.funet.fi /pub/misc/funnies/smiley.txt). FTP is introduced later in the  
text.

What a range of emotions you can show using only keyboard characters.  
Besides the smiley face above, you can have :-( if you're sad, or :-<  if  
you're REALLY upset!  ;-) is one way of showing a wink.  Folks wearing  
glasses might look like this online: %^).

But for the most part, the electronic community is willing to help others.   
Telecommunications helps us overcome what has been called the tyranny  
of distance. We DO have a global village.

Electronic Newsletters and Serials

Subscribing to lists with reckless abandon can clog your mailbox and  
provide a convenient black hole to vacuum up all your spare time. You  
may be more interested in free subscriptions to compiled documents known  
as electronic journals. These journals are automatically delivered to your  
electronic door.

There are a growing number of these. Some of the best for librarians are  
listed below. To subscribe to these journals you must know how to send an  
interactive message to another computer. This information is well-
documented in the resources listed at the end of this article. Telnet and ftp  
are introduced further along in this article.

ALCTS NETWORK NEWS  
(Association for Library Collections and Technical Services)  
Various ALA news, net news, other items of interest to librarians. Send the  
following message to LISTSERV@UICVM.BITNET  
SUBSCRIBE ALCTS First Name Last Name.

Current Cites  
Bibliography of current journal articles relating to computers, networks,  
information issues, and technology. Distributed on PACS-L, or connect  
remotely via TELNET to MELVYL.UCOP.EDU (192.35.222.222); Enter  
command at the prompt: SHOW CURRENT CITES.  
Further information: David F. W. Robison, drobison@library.berkeley.edu.

EFFector Online  
The online newsletter of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. All the hot net  
issues are covered here: privacy, freedom, first amendment rights.  Join  
EFF to be added to the mailing list or ftp the files yourself from ftp.eff.org  
(192.88.144.4). They are in the /pub/eff and subsequent directories.

Hot Off the Tree (HOTT)  
(Excerpts and Abstracts of Articles about Information Technology)  
TELNET MELVYL.UCOP.EDU (192.35.222.222); Enter command:  
SHOW HOTT. Further information: Susan Jurist, SJURIST@UCSD.EDU.

Network News  
An irreverent compendium of tidbits, resources, and net factoids that is a  
must for true Internet surfers. To subscribe, send the following message to  
LISTSERV@NDSUVM1.BITNET  
SUBSCRIBE NNEWS First Name Last Name.   
For more information: Dana Noonan at noonan@msus1.msus.edu.

Public-Access Computer Systems News and The Public-Access Computer  
Systems Review  
Sent automatically to PACS-L subscribers.  See above. For a list of back  
issue files, send the following message to  
LISTSERV@UHUPVM1.BITNET:  
INDEX PACS-L.

To obtain a comprehensive list of electronic serials on all topics, send the  
following commands to LISTSERV@UOTTAWA.BITNET  
GET EJOURNL1 DIRECTRY  
GET EJOURNL2 DIRECTRY  
For further information, contact Michael Strangelove:  
441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA.

Remote Login to Internet Resources: TELNET

One step beyond electronic mail is the ability to control a remote computer  
using TELNET. This feature lets you virtually teleport anywhere on the  
network and use resources located physically at that host. Further, some  
hosts have gateways to other hosts, which have further gateways to still  
more hosts. How can you be in two places at once? It sounds more  
confusing than it is. What resources are available? Here is a sampling of  
some of the fare awaiting you at several sites:

Cleveland Free-net Freenets  
are the progeny of Tom Grundner, Director,  
Community Telecomputing Laboratory
Case Western Reserve University
303 Wickenden Building
Cleveland, OH 44106  
216/368-2733  FAX: 216/368-5436  
Internet: aa001@cleveland.freenet.edu  
BITNET: aa001%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm  
and the folks at National Public Telecomputing Network (NPTN)
Box 1987
Cleveland, OH 44106  
216/368-2733  FAX: 216/368-5436  
Internet: aa622@cleveland.freenet.edu.

Free-nets are built around a city metaphor, complete with schools,  
hospitals, libraries, courthouses, and other public services.

Academy One recently held an online global simulation of a series of major  
space achievements. 16 schools (from five states and four nations)  
participated. Here are several of the descriptions of their projects:

"VALKEALA HIGH SCHOOL VALKEALA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL  
Valkeala, Finland (sa124@cleveland.freenet.edu)  
Acting as Space Shuttle Discovery taking the Hubble Telescope into space.   
These Finnish students will be in communication with students in Estonia,  
relaying their reports."

"DR. HOWARD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL Champaign, IL  
(cwilliam@ncsa.uiuc.edu, cdouglas@ncsa.uiuc.edu)  
Dr. Howard School (25 students in 3rd/4th grade) will be simulating the  
Challenger 2 launch.  They are being assisted by the National Center for  
Supercomputing Applications."

"ST. JULIE BILLIART SCHOOL Hamilton, OH  
(ba542@cleveland.freenet.edu)
Simulating a NASA Tracking Station in Florida.  They will be posting  
hourly weather reports about the conditions in Florida around Cape  
Kennedy.  This information is vital to the recovery of the Friendship 7  
capsule and crew. Students have taken an interest in Space Junk and will be  
posting additional reports on the various probes which were used to test the  
surface of the moon and how all of that junk is now becoming a hazard to  
current and future space exploration."

Another Free-net resource is Project Hermes.  This service provides copies  
of Supreme Court opinions in electronic form to as wide an audience as  
possible, almost as soon as they are announced.

The Court's opinions can be sent directly to you or you may download the  
files directly from any NPTN community computer system.

The Free-nets also provide weather, news, and gateways to other resources.  
To access the Cleveland Free-Net (where all this is being held) simply  
telnet to: freenet-in-a.cwru.edu, freenet-in-b.cwru.edu, or
freenet-in-c.cwru.edu, and select "visitor" at the login menu.

MELVYL  
The University of California  
MELVYL  
Catalog Division of Library Automation  
University of California  
Office of the President   
300 Lakeside Drive, 8th floor,  
Oakland, California 94612-3550  
415/987-0555 (MELVYL Catalog Helpline)  
E-mail: lynch@postgres.berkeley.edu

The MELVYL catalog is the union catalog of monographs and serials  
(periodicals) held by the nine University of California campuses and  
affiliated libraries. It represents nearly 11 million holdings at UC, the  
California State Library, and the Center for Research Libraries.

The MELVYL catalog also provides access to MEDLINE and Current  
Contents as well as a gateway to many other systems. Access to some  
databases is restricted under a license agreement to the University of  
California faculty, staff, and students. Telnet MELVYL.UCOP.EDU  
(192.35.222.222)

CARL  
Colorado Alliance of Research Libraries  
777 Grant
Suite 306  
Denver CO 80203-3580  
303/861-5319  
E-mail: help@carl.org

CARL offers access to the following groups of databases: Academic and  
public library online catalogs, current article indexes such as UnCover and  
Magazine Index, databases such as the Academic American Encyclopedia  
and Internet Resource Guide, and a gateway to other library systems.  
Access to some items is limited. Telnet pac.carl.org or telnet 192.54.81.128

MICROMUSE  
This is how Barry Kort (aka 'Moulton'), Visiting Scientist at Educational  
Technology Research, BBN Labs, Cambridge, MA describes MicroMuse at  
M.I.T.

"MUDs (Multi-User Dimensions) or MUSEs (Multi-User Simulation  
Environments) are virtual realities which offer a rich environment for  
synergy, community, collaboration, and exploratory discovery."

"Players connect to the host computer, adopt a character and personality of  
their choosing, and enter into the synthetic world, consisting of a web of  
connected rooms and movable props."

"Everything (rooms, movable objects, connecting passageways, and  
players) has a description (typically a few lines of text) which are displayed  
when a player looks at it."

"Actions such as picking up or dropping an object, and exiting to an  
adjacent room also generate a short message appropriate to the action."

"At MIT's AI Lab, MicroMuse features explorations, adventures, and  
puzzles with redeeming social, cultural, and educational content. The  
MicroMuse Science Center offers an Exploratorium and Mathematica  
Exhibit complete with interactive exhibits drawn from experience with  
Science Museums around the country.  The Mission to Mars includes an  
elaborate tour of the red planet with accurate descriptions rivaling those  
found in National Geographic."

"Elsewhere on MicroMuse, one can find an outstanding adventure based on  
the children's classic Narnia; a recreation of the Wizard of Oz adventure  
built by a gifted 8-year old; a challenging Logic Quest; and a living model  
of the science fiction genre 'The DragonRiders of Pern' by author Anne  
McCaffrey."

If you would like to explore MicroMuse, you may connect as follows from  
your local host computer:  
telnet michael.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.177]  
login: guest [no password required]  
tt [TinyTalk client program]  
connect guest [Connect to MicroMuse]

BBS.OIT.UNC.EDU  
Telnet to BBS.OIT.UNC.EDU or 152.2.22.80.  
Type launch at the login message.   
It's a must. Not only can you read Usenet Newsfeeds, but you can use  
LibTel, a scripted telnet gateway to access both US and international  
libraries plus such things as Data Research Associates Library of Congress  
catalog, the Ham Radio Call Book, the National Science Foundation, the  
Weather Server, Webster's dictionary and thesaurus, and more.

Remote Access to Files (FTP)

FTP or File Transfer Protocol is what to use to retrieve a text file,  
software, or other item from a remote host. Normal practice is to ftp  
to the host you want and login as "anonymous". Some sites use the password  
"guest" while others require that you put in your network address as the  
password. Some popular ftp sites follow:

SUMEX-AIM  
This archive at Stanford (sumex-aim.stanford.edu or 36.44.0.6) houses a  
plethora of Macintosh applications, utilities, graphics and sound files.

SIMTEL20  
(simtel20.army.mil or 192.88.110.20) at the White Sands Missile Range in  
New Mexico contains a similar archive software for MS-DOS computers.

An FTP visit to the Network Service Center at nnsc.nsf.net (128.89.1.178)  
is a gold mine of documents and training materials on net use. See further  
information on this in the "Resources for Learning More" section of this  
article.

Project Gutenberg  
The primary goal of Project Gutenberg is to encourage the creation and  
distribution of electronic text.  They hope to have a trillion etexts in  
distribution by the end of 2001.

Some of the many texts available now include Alice in Wonderland, Peter  
Pan, Shakespeare, Paradise Lost and other texts in the public domain.  
Many of these texts are available from:  
ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.201.12) /pub/etext92 [for 1992 releases]  
or /pub/etext/etext91 [for 1991 releases]  
/pub/etext/articles [for Project Gutenberg articles and newsletters].   
They are also available from quake.think.com (192.31.181.1); /pub/etext,  
and from many other sites.

For more info:  
Michael S. Hart, Director
Project Gutenberg  
National Clearinghouse for Machine Readable Texts  
Illinois Benedictine College
5700 College Road
Lisle, Illinois 60532-0900  
BITNET: HART@UIUCVMD   
INTERNET: HART@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU


Travel Agents: Archie, Gopher, Veronica, WAIS, Worldwide Web and More

There is so much information on the net, it's impossible to know where  
everything is, or even how to begin looking. Fortunately, some  
computerized "agents" are in development to help sort through the massive  
data libraries on the net.

Archie  
Peter Deutsch, of McGill's Computing Centre, describes the archie server  
concept, which allows users to ask a question once yet search many  
different hosts for files of interest.

"The archie service is a collection of resource discovery tools that together  
provide an electronic directory service for locating information in an  
Internet environment. Originally created to track the contents of  
anonymous ftp archive sites, the archie service is now being expanded to  
include a variety of other online directories and resource listings."

"Currently, archie tracks the contents of over 800 anonymous FTP archive  
sites containing some 1,000,000 files throughout the Internet. Collectively,  
these files represent well over 50 Gigabytes (50,000,000,000 bytes) of  
information, with additional information being added daily. Anonymous ftp  
archive sites offer software, data and other information which can be  
copied and used without charge by anyone with connection to the Internet."

"The archie server automatically updates the listing information from each  
site about once a month, ensuring users that the information they receive is  
reasonably timely, without imposing an undue load on the archive sites or  
network bandwidth."

Unfortunately the archie server at McGill is currently out of service. Other  
sites are: archie.ans.net (USA [NY]) archie.rutgers.edu (USA [NJ])  
archie.sura.net (USA [MD]) archie.funet.fi (Finland/Mainland Europe)  
archie.au (Australia/New Zealand) archie.doc.ic.ac.uk (Great  
Britain/Ireland)

Info from: UNIX Support Group
Computing Centre
McGill University
Room 200
Burnside Hall
805 Sherbrooke Street West
Montreal, Quebec CANADA H3A 2K6  
514/398-3709  
peterd@cc.mcgill.ca

Internet Gopher  
A gopher (or go-fer) is someone who fetches necessary items from many  
locations.

Login as gopher after you telnet to consultant.micro.umn.edu and enjoy  
having a computer do all the work for you. Almost. Gopher is still in  
experimental mode at many gopherized sites. Still, it is one of the best  
ways to locate information on and in the Internet.

Besides archie, the gopher at consultant.micro.umn.edu includes fun and  
games, humor, libraries (including reference books such as the Hacker's  
Dictionary, Roget's 1911 Thesaurus, and the CIA World Fact Book),  
gateways to other US and foreign gophers, news, and gateways to other  
systems.

VERONICA: Very Easy Rodent-Oriented Net-wide Index to Computerized  
Archives.

Very new on the scene is VERONICA. Here is some information from  
Steve Foster about it.

"Veronica offers a keyword search of most gopher-server menus in the  
entire gopher web.  As Archie is to ftp archives, Veronica is to  
gopherspace. Unlike Archie, the search results can connect you directly to  
the data source. Imagine an Archie search that lets you select the data, not  
just the host sites, directly from a menu.  Because Veronica is accessed  
through a gopher client, it is easy to use, and gives access to all types of  
data supported by the gopher protocol."

"Veronica was designed as a response to the problem of resource discovery  
in the rapidly-expanding gopher web. Frustrated comments in the net news-
groups have recently reflected the need for such a service. Additional  
motivation came from the comments of naive gopher users, several of  
whom assumed that a simple-touse service would provide a means to find  
resources 'without having to know where they are.'"

"The result of a Veronica search is an automatically-generated gopher  
menu, customized according to the user's keyword specification. Items on  
this menu may be drawn from many gopher servers.  These are functional  
gopher items, immediately accessible via the gopher client -- just double-
click to open directories, read files, or perform other searches -- across  
hundreds of gopher servers. You need never know which server is actually  
involved in filling your request for information. Items that are appear  
particularly interesting can be saved in the user's bookmark list."

"Notice that these are NOT full-text searches of data at gopher-server sites,  
just as Archie does not index the contents of ftp sites, but only the names of  
files at those sites.  Veronica indexes the TITLES on all levels of the  
menus, for most gopher sites in the Internet.  258 gophers are indexed by  
Veronica on Nov. 17, 1992;  we have discovered over 500 servers and will  
index the full set in the near future. We hope that Veronica will encourage  
gopher administrators to use very descriptive titles on their menus."

"To try Veronica, select it from the 'Other Gophers' menu on Minnesota's  
gopher server (consultant.micro.umn.edu), or point your gopher at:  
Name=Veronica (search menu items in most of GopherSpace)  
Type=1  
Port=70  
Path=1/Veronica Host=futique.scs.unr.edu"

"Veronica is an experimental service, developed by Steve Foster and Fred  
Barrie at University of Nevada.  As we expect that the load will soon  
outgrow our hardware, we will distribute the Veronica service across other  
sites in the near future."

"Please address comments to:   gophadm@futique.scs.unr.edu"

Is this the new world order of automated librarianship?

WAIS  
Wide Area Information Servers (pronounced ways) allows users to get  
information from a variety of hosts by means of a "client". The user tells  
the client, in plain English, what to look for out in dataspace. The client  
then searches various WAIS servers around the globe. The user tells the  
client how relevant each hit is, and the client can be sent out on the same  
quest again and again to find new documents. Client software is available  
for many different types of computers.

WAIStation is an easy to use Macintosh implementation of a WAIS client.  
It can be downloaded from think.com as well as a self-running  
MediaTracks demo of WAIStation in action. Kahle also moderates a  
thoughtful WAIS newsletter and discussion group, often speculating about  
the future of libraries and librarians.

Info from: Brewster Kahle, Project Leader  
Wide Area Information Servers  
Thinking Machines Corporation  
1010 El Camino Real
Menlo Park, CA 94025  
415/329-9300 x228  
brewster@Think.COM

WorldWideWeb  
Tim Berners-Lee describes the Web this way: "The WWW project merges  
the techniques of information retrieval and hypertext to make an easy but  
powerful global information system. The WWW world consists of  
documents, and links.  Indexes are special documents which, rather than  
being read, may be searched.  The result of such a search is another  
('virtual') document containing links to the documents found.  The Web  
contains documents in many formats. Those documents which are  
hypertext, (real or virtual) contain links to other documents, or places  
within documents. All documents, whether real, virtual or indexes, look  
similar to the reader and are contained within the same addressing scheme.  
To follow a link, a reader clicks with a mouse (or types in a number if he or  
she has no mouse). To search and index, a reader gives keywords (or other  
search criteria). These are the only operations necessary to access the entire  
world of data."

Info from: Tim Berners-Lee  
WorldWideWeb project
CERN
1211 Geneva 23,
 Switzerland  
Tel: +41(22)767 3755  FAX:+41(22)767 7155  
email:tbl@cernvax.cern.ch

Hytelnet  
Peter Scott, the creator of HYTELNET, sends this recent update:  
"HYTELNET version 6.3, the utility which gives an IBM-PC user instant-
access to all Internetaccessible library catalogs, FREE-NETS, CWISs,  
BBSs, Gophers, WAIS, etc. is now available. You can get it via anonymous  
ftp from: access.usask.ca in the pub/hytelnet/pc subdirectory. It is listed as  
HYTELN63.ZIP."

"Version 6.3 is a major upgrade. Much redundant information has been  
deleted, and errors have been corrected. New subdirectories have been  
added, which has meant that many files now have a more meaningful  
home. Also all the new/updated files created since Version 6.2 have been  
incorporated."

"Note: the UNZIPPED files total over 1.2 mb -- but remember, you can  
always edit out any information you do not need, in order to save space.  
Information from Roy Tennant follows, slightly edited, describing how to  
obtain HYTELNET 6.3 from the ftp site (thanks Roy)::"

"TO RETRIEVE HYTELNET:  
At your system prompt, enter: ftp access.usask.ca or ftp 128.233.3.1 When  
you receive the Name prompt, enter:    anonymous When you receive the  
password prompt, enter your Internet address.  When you are at the ftp>  
prompt, enter: binary At the next ftp> prompt, enter:  cd pub/hytelnet/pc  
Then enter: get hyteln63.zip After the transfer has occurred, either proceed  
with the instructions below to retrieve the UNZIP utility (which you need  
unless you already have it) or enter:   quit

The Hytelnet program is archived using a ZIP utility. To unarchive it, you  
must be able to "unzip" the file.  If you have the file PKUNZIP.EXE, it will  
unarchive the HYTELN63.ZIP file (see below for instructions). If you do  
not have it, you may retrieve it by following these instructions:

TO RETRIEVE PKUNZIP:  
Use the above instructions for connecting to access.usask.ca At the ftp>  
prompt, enter: binary Then enter: cd pub/hytelnet/pc Then enter: get  
pkunzip.exe After the transfer has occurred, enter:  quit

TO DOWNLOAD IT TO YOUR PC:  
Because of the plethora of PC communications programs, I will not attempt  
to give step-by-step instructions here.  You should check the instructions  
for your software for downloading a *binary* file from your Internet  
account to your PC.

TO UNARCHIVE HYTELN63.ZIP:  
Make a new directory on your hard disk (e.g., mkdir hytelnet) Copy  
PKUNZIP.EXE and HYTELN63.ZIP into the new directory Make sure you  
are in that directory, then enter: pkunzip HYTELN63 It will then unarchive  
HYTELN63.ZIP, which contains the following files: HYTELNET.ZIP  
READNOW The file READNOW. gives full instructions for un-archiving  
HYTELNET.ZIP.  Simply put, you **MUST** unZIP the file with the -d  
parameter  so that all the subdirectories will be recursed.

To use HYTELNET, you should refer to the instructions in the release  
announcement by Peter Scott, or to the README file included with the  
package."

"PLEASE NOTE that I offer the above instructions as a service for those  
who are unfamiliar with the steps required to download and use files from  
network sources.  I cannot be responsible for any local variations in these  
procedures which may exist.  Please contact your local computer support  
staff if you have difficulty performing these tasks."

"The UNIX/VMS version, created by Earl Fogel, is available for browsing  
by telnet to access.usask.ca   login with   hytelnet (lower case). For more  
information on this version contact Earl at: fogel@skyfox.usask.ca."

How to Get Connected

Now that you're interested in what resources are available, how does one go  
about getting connected? Time was that you needed a standard, dedicated  
connection to the Internet. Then you needed a robust computer system and  
a couple of zany gurus to keep it all running. And once a year you could  
expect an invoice in the $30,000 range to keep the data flowing.

These days, anyone can connect, from small libraries and non-profits to  
individuals. And the prices are affordable.

There is a NSFNet acceptable-use policy you must agree to adhere to if  
your traffic passes through NSFNet. It is available from the NSF Network  
Service Center.

Contact your regional network first to see what services might be available  
to you.  A list of regional nets can be obtained from the NSF Network  
Service Center (address below), or check with a local college or  
university's academic computing center. A university may be able to give  
you a guest account on its system for educational purposes.

Access to electronic mail alone is roughly $20 a month at this writing.  
Additional capabilities, including telnet and ftp, cost more, and it will cost  
$2,000 or more per year if you want to operate your own host system. The  
good news is that the costs are spiraling downwards. Here are a few other  
methods of connecting to the net. Many more are listed in the "must-have"  
books at the end of this article.

CERFnet
The California Education and Research Federation (CERFnet) has  
announced DIAL N' CERF USA. It allows educators, scientists,  
corporations, and individuals access to the Internet from anywhere in the  
continental US.

A toll-free number, 1-800/7CERFNET, provides subscribers with the  
capability to log in to remote machines, transfer files, and send and receive  
electronic mail, as if they had a standard, dedicated connection. The cost of  
this toll-free connection is $20 a month with a $10 per hour usage fee and  
free installation.  There is an installation charge of $50.   
CERFnet
California Education and Research Federation
c/o San Diego Supercomputer Center
P. O. Box 85608
San Diego, CA 92186-9784  
800/876-CERF or 619/534-5087
help@cerf.net

Performance Systems International  
PSI offers several permutations of network connectivity, including low-end  
email- only accounts, dial-up host connectivity on demand, and dedicated  
connections. Costs are competitive and performance is reliable. PSI has  
POPs (points of presence) in over forty U.S. cities.

PSILink, email and delayed ftp, is $19 a month for 2400 baud service or  
below, $29 per month for 9600 baud service.

GDS (Global Dialup Service) includes telnet, rlogins at $39 a month, 2400  
baud, 24  hour access.

Host DCS (Dialup Connection Service), at about $2000 per year, includes a  
full suite of internet activities (mail, news, ftp, telnet).  
Performance Systems International, Inc.  
11800 Sunrise Valley Dr. Suite 1100
Reston, VA 22091  
800/82PSI82 or 703/620-6651 FAX: 703/620-4586  
info@psi.com. All-info@psi.com generates an automatic reply response  
containing summaries of various PSI products.

Software Tool & Die  
Software Tool & Die offers The World, a public access Unix system: The  
basic rates are $2 per hour and a $5 monthly account fee. Services offered  
by The World include internet electronic mail, USENET news, ClariNet -  
UPI, AP, and satellite news services, real-time chat, Unix Software, Archie,  
the Online Book Initiative (a publicly accessible repository for freely  
redistributable collections of textual information, a net-worker's library.)  
AlterNet Access - Users have access to AlterNet via ftp/telnet. The World  
can also be accessed over the Compuserve Packet Network. You do not  
have to be a Compuserve subscriber to use this network, but you will be  
billed for its use.   
The WORLD
Software Tool & Die
1330 Beacon Street
Brookline, MA  02146  
617/39-0202

Daniel Dern also provides the following definitive information file on how  
to get connected:  
Daniel Dern's Short Answer to "How do I get a list of Internet  
Service/Access Providers for Individual Accounts":

For a list of Internet Service Providers contact:

NSF Network Service Center (NNSC)  
BBN Laboratories Inc.   
10 Moulton St.   
Cambridge, MA 02238  
617/873-3361  
nnsc@nnsc.nsf.net

The NNSC info-server utility can also automatically e-mail you a copy of  
this list and other documents.  Simply send an e-mail message to: info-
server@nnsc.nsf.net with the following text in the body:  
request: nsfnet  
topic: <topic-here>  
topic: <topic-here>  
request: end

You don't need to put anything in the subject line.

"referral-list" gets you the NNSC's referral list of Internet Service  
Providers based in the U.S. (possibly providing international service).    
This is generally agreed to be the most comprehensive and least-biased list.

"limited-referral" gets you the NNSC's referral list of Internet providers for  
"limited service," which includes Dial-Up IP, Internet E-mail.

"help" (recommended) gets you the Help document for the info- server  
facility.

For a list of dial-up-accessible Public-Access Internet Hosts (Unix BBSs  
that can do telnet, ftp, etc., that can you can access by calling from your PC  
and modem), see the PDIAL list, maintained by Peter Kaminski.  Kaminski  
periodically posts an updated version to the usenet groups alt.bbs.lists and  
alt.bbs.internet; also, the most recent edition may be obtained by sending e-
mail to kaminski@netcom.com with the 'Send PDIAL' in the subject.  To  
be placed on a list to receive future editions automatically, send e-mail to  
kaminski@netcom.com with 'Subscribe PDIAL' in the subject.

The 'nixpub' list is a frequently updated list of Public-Access unix Systems  
-Unix-based BBSs usually carrying usenet news, supporting e-mail  
connectivity to the Internet, and with some mix of local archives, multi-
user games, etc.  The full list is long (over 1,000 lines).  To get a current  
copy of 'nixpub' as an automatic e-mail reply, Send a message to  
'nixpub@digex.com' (no subject or message text needed), or to archive-
server@cs.widener.edu with message body of one of these:

send nixpub long  
send nixpub short  
send nixpub long short  
index nixpub

The nixpub and nixpub.short lists are regularly reposted to the USENET  
comp.misc and alt.bbs groups

Info from: Daniel P. Dern Free-lance technology writer  
P.O. Box 309   
Newton Centre, MA 02159  
617/969-7947  FAX: 617/969-7949  
ddern@world.std.com"

Resources for Learning More

CERFnet Network Information Center (NIC)  
This is a repository for many eclectic internet guides and RFC (Requests  
For Comments) from many sources, including the famous, if technical  
"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Internet". These may be obtained via anonymous  
ftp to nic.cerf.net (192.102.249.3). Call the CERFnet Hotline at 800-876-
CERF for assistance.  California Education and Research Federation
c/o San Diego Supercomputer Center
P. O. Box 85608
San Diego, CA 92186- 9784  
800/876-CERF or 619/534-5087
help@cerf.net

CICNet Resource Guide  
Over 200 pages of Internet resources, published June, 1992. Copies are  
$27.00 from CICNet, Inc.  
Attn Kim Schaffer
2901 Hubbard Pod A
Ann Arbor, MI 48109.  
313/998-6103  FAX 313/998-6105
info@cic.net   

"The December Lists"   
"Information Sources:  the Internet and Computer-Mediated  
Communication"  Compiled by John December (decemj@rpi.edu)  
Here is part of his information file on this excellent resource:

"This document or updates are available via anonymous ftp.  Host:  
ftp.rpi.edu, file: /pub/communications/internet-cmc.

PURPOSE:  to list pointers to information describing the Internet,  
computer networks, and issues related to computer- mediated  
communication (CMC).  Topics of interest include the technical, social,  
cognitive, and psychological aspects of CMC.

AUDIENCE:  this file is useful for those getting started in understanding  
the Internet and CMC; it compactly summarizes sources of information for  
those who are already exploring these issues.

ASSUMPTIONS:  to access many information sources listed here you must  
have access to and know how to use anonymous ftp, email, or  USENET  
newsgroups.  Some files are in TeX or PostScript format.

Contents:  
Section -1- THE INTERNET AND SERVICES  
Section -2- INFORMATION SERVICES/ELECTRONIC PUBLICATIONS  
Section -3- SOCIETIES AND ORGANIZATIONS  
Section -4- NEWSGROUPS  
Section -5- SELECTED BIBLIOGRAPHY"

"Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette"   
Brad Templeton's (brad@looking.on.ca) satirical and hilarious piece on  
how NOT to behave on the net. Emily Postnews, foremost authority on  
proper net behaviour, gives her advice.There are many places to ftp this  
file, and it is appearing on many gophers. One place to get the file is by ftp  
to ra.msstate.edu (130.18.80.10) Location: /pub/docs/words- l/Funnies. The  
file is called emily.postnews. Here is a sample:  

"Dear Miss Postnews:  
How long should my signature be?   
-- verbose@noisy

A: Dear Verbose:  
Please try and make your signature as long as you can.  It's much more  
important than your article, of course, so try to have more lines of signature  
than actual text.  Try to include a large graphic made of ASCII characters,  
plus lots of cute quotes and slogans.  People will never tire of reading these  
pearls of wisdom again and again, and you will soon become personally  
associated with the joy each reader feels at seeing yet another delightful  
repeat of your signature. Be sure as well to include a complete map of  
USENET with each signature, to show how anybody can get mail to you  
from any site in the world.  Be sure to include Internet gateways as well.  
Also tell people on your own site how to mail to you.  Give independent  
addresses for Internet, UUCP, and BITNET, even if they're all the same."

"Incomplete Guide to the Internet"   
The "Incomplete Guide" was compiled by the NCSA Education Group,  
dated September, 1992. It is also available for anonymous FTP at:  
ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu in the /misc directory. This excellent manual is a must. It  
even covers SLIP connections and use of Eudora.

Here are some comments about it from cfarmer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Chuck  
Farmer): "The first half of the text is devoted to the mechanics of  
telecommunications, how to connect, what to do once you are connected,  
etc. The second half of the manual is devoted to current  
telecommunications projects, past successful projects, and resources. The  
resources include FTP sites, open BBS's and networks, Free-Nets,  
subscription services, and where to get more information on each resource.  
This resource was complied by the Living Lab program (NSF funded) at  
NCSA as an attempt to encourage the proliferation of HPCC use in the K-
12 classroom. We welcome your comments and suggestions.

For further information: National Center for Supercomputing Applications
605 E Springfield Ave.  
Champaign, IL 61820   
217/244-6122

"Library Resources on the Internet: Strategies for Selection and Use"  1992.   
RASD Occasional Paper no. 12, selling for $18 to members, $20 for  
nonmembers. It can be ordered from ALA Order Services
50 E. Huron
Chicago, IL 60611,  
800/545-2433

Electronic versions available via FTP  
ASCII file from:  
host DLA.UCOP.EDU (128.48.108.25), directory /pub/internet/Libcat-guide  
host FTP.UNT.EDU (129.120.1.1), directory /pub/library/libcat-guide.   
WordPerfect 5.1 file from:  
host HYDRA.UWO.CA (129.100.2.13), directory libsoft/internet.com

Merit's Cruise of the Internet  
This attractive overview looks great on a Macintosh. I have not seen the  
Windows version.

>From the README text: "Merit's 'Cruise of the Internet' is a computer-
based tutorial for new as well as experienced Internet 'navigators.' The  
Cruise will introduce you to Internet resources as diverse as  
supercomputing, minorities, multimedia, and even cooking. It will also  
provide information about the tools needed to access those resources."

ftp to NIC.MERIT.EDU /internet/resources. There are Macintosh and  
Windows versions, and README text files to explain installation  
procedures.

A Cruise of the Internet  
Version 2.01 for Apple Macintosh computers  
December 1, 1992

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS  
This tutorial will run on any color Macintosh which is capable of  
displaying 256 colors.  

To run the Cruise tutorial you will need:

- A Macintosh II, LC or Quadra series computer  
- 8-bit color and any color monitor  (12" minimum)  
- System 6.05 or 7.x  
- Approximately 3 MB of disk space
- 4 MB RAM is recommended  
- Internet connectivity and software that does file transfers via FTP.

A Cruise of the Internet  
Version 2.0 for IBM-DOS and DOS compatibles running Windows  
October 28, 1992

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:  
This tutorial will run on any IBM-DOS or DOS-compatible computer  
which is equipped to display 256 colors at an aspect ratio of 640 x 480.  

To run the Cruise tutorial you will need:

- An IBM-DOS or DOS-compatible computer  
- XGA- or XGA-compatible adapter set to display 256 colors at 640 x 480  
- Microsoft Windows(TM) version 3.1  
- Approximately 1.5 MB of disk space  
- 2 MB RAM minimum  
- Internet connectivity and software that does file transfers via FTP.

"Mining the Internet"   
The Net as mine metaphor is a popular theme. Tunneling through the  
network matrix in search of gems and ore is not far from fact. Sometimes it  
is hard work, and a lot of it is working in the dark.

There is a guidebook called "Mining the Internet", available from  
University of California at Davis. Here is how the Gold Country Mining  
Instructions begin:  
"Jist durn tuckered o' workin' eight t' five for a salary. ain't you? An' you  
wanna set out for parts unknown. You're hankerin' for an a'venture. Come'n  
then go 'Mining the Internet'  with me, father of Clementine (that's my  
darlin'), and I'll tell you some old timey tales and introduce you to a new  
resource for students, faculty, and staff called wide area networking --  
'Taint goin' to hurt you any, and the prospect looks good for a lucky strike."  

"Mining the Internet" and "Using the Internet A&B" available from  
Computing Services
University of California
Davis, CA 95616-8563
916/752-0233.   
Or electronically by anonymous ftp from ucdavis.edu (128.120.2.1)  
directory /ucd.netdocs/mining.

NSF Network Service Center (NNSC)  
NSF Internet Tour HyperCard Stack--borrow a Macintosh long enough to  
view this, worth the effort! Includes net history, net maps, net poetry and  
lore. Free.

They also publish a very complete Internet Resource Guide ($15). Many  
items, including the HyperCard Tour to the Internet, freely available by  
anonymous ftp from nnsc.nsf.net.
NNSC
Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.  
10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA  02138  
617/873-3400  
nnsc@nnsc.nsf.net

New User's Guide to Unique and Interesting Resources on the Internet 2.3.
Available from NYSERNet (New York State Education and Research  
Network).  It is over 145 pages and lists some 50 sources. OPACS,  
databases, information resources, and more. The New User's Guide is  
available in hard copy at the cost of $25.00. (NYSERNet Members: $18.00.)  
Version 2.2 is available electronically at nysernet.org (192.77.173.2)  
in the directory /pub/resources/guides. It is called the  
new.user.guide.v2.2.txt

For more information: NYSERNet, Inc.
200 Elwood Davis Rd., Suite 103
Liverpool, NY 13088-6147
315/453-2912  FAX 315/453-3052   
info@nysernet.org

NorthWestNet User Services Internet Resource Guide  
NorthWestNet has released a 300-page guide to the Internet, covering  
electronic mail, file transfer, remote login, discussion groups,  
online library catalogues, and supercomputer access.

Copies may be purchased for $20.00 from NorthWestNet. It is also  
available via anonymous ftp: ftphost.nwnet.net in the directory  
/nic/nwnet/user-guide.

NorthWestNet
15400 SE 30th Place, Suite 202,
Bellevue, WA  98007  
206/562-3000 FAX: 206/562-4822

"There's Gold in Them Thar Networks! or Searching for Gold in all the  
Wrong Places" written by Jerry Martin at Ohio State University. This  
document is available via Internet message to Infoserver@nnsc.nsf.net.  
Once inside the message area, give the following commands to retrieve the  
document: REQUEST:NSFNET  
TOPIC:NETWORK-TREASURES  
REQUEST: END

"The Yanoff Lists"   
"Special Internet Connections"  Compiled by Scott Yanoff. This is an  
indispensable weekly list of network resources available using telnet and  
ftp.

It includes a few Online Public Access Catalogs, chat lines, weather  
servers, Campus Wide Information Systems, and reference resources.  
Send e-mail to the list manager (Scott Yanoff) at:  
yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu or ftp to csd4.csd.uwm.edu. The filename is  
inet-services.

How to Find out More About Discussion Lists

Thousands of discussion groups, LISTSERVs, and mail reflectors exist on  
the Internet. Here are several ways to find lists of interest to you.

LISTSERVs available from NYSERNet.org  
Nysernet.org hosts over 20 lists, including folk_music and PUBLIB for  
public librarians. Send a LIST GLOBAL command in an interactive  
message to our host.  For example: To: LISTSERV@nysernet.org  
Subject:  
Message: LIST GLOBAL

The SRI NIC Maintained Interest-Groups List of Lists  
This is available by FTP from ftp.nisc.sri.com  (192.33.33.22) in the  
directory /netinfo/interest-groups.

The SRI NIC list-of-lists is also available via electronic mail. Send a  
message to mail-server@nisc.sri.com with the following line in the  
message body:  
Send netinfo/interest-groups  
Example:  
To: mail-server@nisc.sri.com  
Subject:  
Message: Send netinfo/interest-groups

The List of Lists  
A comprehensive list-of-lists can be obtained from some larger host  
computers running LISTSERV software, by sending a LIST GLOBAL  
command in an interactive message. This will return a "one line per list"  
list of all lists known to that host as of that date.   
For example:  
To: LISTSERV@ VM1.NoDak.EDU mail  
Subject:  
Message: LIST GLOBAL

The global list can also be searched online.  For details send LISTSERV  
the command INFO DATABASE .

Network Accessible Database Server  
Only available on the LISTSERV at VM1.NoDak.EDU is a searchable  
interest groups database.  For example, to search of the databases for lists  
on "cats" you would send the following statements (copy them exactly into  
your mail message to the LISTSERV):

//DBlook   JOB   Echo=No  
Database Search DD=Rules  
//Rules DD *  
Select cats in lists  
index  
Select cats in intgroup  
index  
Select cats in new-list  
index

These statements search the global LISTSERV list of lists ("in lists"), and  
the local copy of the SRI-NIC Interest Groups ("in intgroup"), and the  
archives of the "new-list" list ("in new-list").  Send LISTSERV the  
command INFO DATABASE for more information.

The 5th Revision of the Directory of Scholarly Electronic Conferences  
This resource is available at LISTSERV@KENTVM or  
LISTSERV@KENTVM.KENT.EDU and via anonymous FTP to  
ksuvxa.kent.edu in the library directory. This announcement is extracted  
from the ACADLIST README FILE

"This directory contains descriptions of 805 electronic conferences  
(econferences) on topics of interest to scholars.  E- conference is the  
umbrella term that includes discussion lists, interest groups, e-journals, e-
newsletters, Usenet newsgroups, forums, etc.  We have used our own  
judgment in deciding what is of scholarly interest -- and accept any advice  
or argument about our decisions.  We have placed the entries into  
categories by deciding what the *dominant* academic subject area of the  
electronic conference is."

"The 5th Revision involves an attempt to make it easier to feed the  
Directory into HyperCard(TM), dBase(TM) and other database programs.  
The first step in this effort has been to use field labels for each part  
of each record.  We've also reduced the size of each record by trying to  
keep topic information between 25-50 words (some are still bigger). Advice  
on this topic will be gratefully accepted at dkovacs@kentvm.kent.edu."

"In addition, information about editorial policy and archive availability and  
frequency have also been included in each record.  Where possible the  
information in each record has been checked for currency and accuracy by  
checking the LISTSERV header in the case of LISTSERV based e-conferences  
and contacting the moderators of other kinds of e-conferences."

"The field labels are as follows: LN: (e-conference name) TI: (topic  
information) SU: (subscription information) ED: (edited? Yes or No) AR:  
(archived?  if Yes, frequency, private=subscribers only) MO: (moderator,  
editor, listowner, manager, coordinator, etc.) IA: ('official' institutional  
affiliation)."

"Topic descriptions are taken in whole or part from the descriptions  
provided by each listowner, editor, moderator or coordinator to the New-
List, the List of Lists, and the Internet Interest Groups file."

"Any errors are the responsibility of the compiler of the Electronic  
Conferences for Academics Files.  If you can provide corrections or  
additional information about any of these electronic conferences, please  
contact:

Diane Kovacs (Bitnet)  DKOVACS@KENTVM (Internet)  
DKOVACS@KENTVM.KENT.EDU

These files are available on the Directory of Scholarly E-Conferences:  
ACADLIST README  (explanatory notes for the Directory)  
ACADSTCK HQX  (binhexed, self-decompressing, HyperCard Stack of  
entire Directory - Keyword searchable)  
ACADLIST FILE1 (Anthropology- Education)  
ACADLIST FILE2 (Geography-Library and Information Science)  
ACADLIST FILE3 (Linguistics-Political Science)  
ACADLIST FILE4 (Psychology-Writing)  
ACADLIST FILE5  (Biological sciences)  
ACADLIST FILE6 (Physical sciences -now includes Academic Computing  
and Computer Science)  
ACADLIST FILE7 (business, Academia, news)  
ACADWHOL HQX (binhexed self-decompressing Macintosh M.S. Word  
4.0 document of all 7 directories)  
ACADLIST.CHANGES (Major additions and deletions)

How to retrieve the abovefiles via mail  
1. Send an e-mail message addressed to LISTSERV@KENTVM or  
LISTSERV@KENTVM.KENT.EDU.   
2. Leave the subject and other info lines blank.   
3. The message must read: GET Filename Filetype  
(e.g.,filename=ACADLIST filetype=FILE1 or HQX or whatever)  
4. The files will be sent to you and you must receive them.   
5. If you need assistance receiving, etc. contact your local Computer  
Services people.

How to retrieve the files via anonymous FTP (File Transfer Protocol)  
FTP to KSUVXA.KENT.EDU  
1. when prompted for 'USERID,' type   ANONYMOUS.   
2. Your password will be your actual userid on your local machine.   
3. Type:  cd library  
4. Type:  GET Filename.Filetype (e.g., filename=ACADLIST  
filetype=FILE1 or HQX or whatever)  
5. The files will be transferred directly into the directory you ftp'ed from at  
your site.

New Lists and List Changes  
New lists are being started every day, and old ones fade away. To find out  
about these changes, join the NEW-LIST mailing. Here is part of their  
welcome message:

"The 'NEW-LIST' list has been established as a central address to post  
announcements of new public mailing lists. In addition, 'NEW-LIST' might  
be used as a final verification before establishing a list (to check for  
existing lists on the same topic, etc.). However, be sure to check sources  
such as the Internet List-of-Lists (SIGLIST or INTEREST-GROUPS list),  
LISTSERV GROUPS, and the LISTS database on the major LISTSERVs  
(we have the LISTS database on NDSUVM1)."

"We will gladly rebroadcast New List announcements, final list proposals  
(to avoid conflicts or redundancy), or emergency announcements about the  
availability of some list.

List Review Service  
These folks subscribe to and monitor a list for awhile and then report on it  
to everyone else. It's a great idea and a useful way to "sample" a list. Here  
is the subscription information.  Email its author to be added to the List  
Review Service list, BITNET ADDRESS: SRCMUNS@UMSLVMA.

LIST REVIEW SERVICE         ISSN: 1060-8192 Published bi-weekly,  
when school is in session, by The University of Missouri, St. Louis  
Libraries.  
Raleigh C. Muns, editor.   
For more information: Thomas Jefferson Library
University of Missouri St. Louis  
8001 Natural Bridge Road
St. Louis, MO 63121  
314/553-5059

Internet Library Guides

Three different Internet library guides are available to help both beginning  
and experienced OPAC users.

Art St. George's Internet-Accessible Library Catalogs and Databases  
includes directions for Internet libraries and Campus Wide Information  
Systems as well as dialup libraries and bulletin boards in the United States.  
Available from: ariel.unm.edu  /LIBRARY/INTERNET.LIBRARY

Billy Barron's Accessing On-line Bibliographic Databases contains a  
number of useful features such as guides to local OPAC escape sequences  
and commands.  FTP to ftp.unt.edu (129.120.1.1)   
/LIBRARY/LIBRARIES.TXT

Dana Noonan's A Guide to Internet/Bitnet comes in two parts. Part two is  
about Internet Libraries. It is an easy to use guide to many national and  
international OPACS and their login and use instructions. (available via  
anonymous ftp from vm1.nodak.edu then CD NNEWS  (although nnews  
may not show up on the directory menu, it works.)  A printed version is  
available for $10 from Metronet.  For more information:  
Metronet,
226 Metro Square Building
Seventh and Robert Streets  
St. Paul, Minnesota 55101  
612/224-4801 FAX 612/224-4827

Must-have Books for the Internet Surfer

Kehoe, Brendan. (1993). Zen and the Art of the Internet: a Beginner's  
Guide (2nd ed.). Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice-Hall.  The first edition is  
available for free from many FTP sites (see below) This version has about  
30 pages of new material and corrects various minor errors in the first  
edition. Includes the story of the Coke Machine on the Internet. For much  
of late 1991 and the first half of 1992, this was the document of choice for  
learning about the Internet.  ISBN 0-13-010778-6. Index. $22.00

To ftp Zen 1.0 in a PostScript version:  
ftp.uu.net [137.39.1.9] directory /inet/doc  
ftp.cs.toronto.edu [128.100.3.6] directory /pub/zen  
ftp.cs.widener.edu [147.31.254.132] directory /pub/zen as zen-1.0.tar.Z,  
zen-1.0.dvi, and zen-1.0.PS  
ftp.sura.net [128.167.254.179] directory /pub/nic as zen-1.0.PS  
It is also available to read on many Gopher servers.

Krol, Ed. (1992). The Whole Internet User's Guide & Catalog. Sebastopol,  
CA: O'Reilly & Associates.  Comprehensive guide to how the network  
works, the domain name system, acceptable use, security, and other issues.  
Chapters on telnet/remote login, File Transfer Protocol, and electronic mail  
explain error messages, special situations, and other arcana. Archie,  
Gopher, Net News, WAIS, WWW, and troubleshooting each enjoy a  
chapter in this well-written book.  Appendices contain info on how to get  
connected in addition to a glossary. ISBN 1-56592-025-2. $24.95

LaQuey, Tracey, & Ryer, J. C. (1993). The Internet Companion: a  
Beginner's Guide to Global Networking.. Reading, MA: Addison-Wesley.   
Beginning with a forewordby Vice-President Elect Al Gore, this book  
provides an often-humorous explanation of the origins of the Internet,  
acceptable use, basics of electronic mail, netiquette, online resources,  
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guide provides background on Internet legends (Elvis sightings is one),  
organizations, security issues, and how to get connected. Bibliography.   
Index. ISBN 0-201-62224-6 $10.95

Marine, April. (1992). INTERNET: Getting Started.. Menlo Park, CA: SRI  
International.  This book has an international overview, and includes things  
the others don't, such as an index to all the RFC's (Request for Comments),  
Internet organizations, source information for the TCP/IP CD ROM, and  
the answer to "who is in charge of the Internet?" (No one is. The Internet is  
a cooperating group of independently administered networks. Some groups  
set basic policy though.) ISBN 0-944604-15-3 $39.00
SRI
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Tennant, Roy, Ober, J., & Lipow, A. G. (1993). Crossing the Internet  
Threshold: An Instructional Handbook. Berkeley, CA: Library Solutions  
Press.  A cookbook to run your own Internet training sessions. Real- world  
examples. Foreword by Cliff Lynch. ISBN: 1-882208-01-3 $45.00
Library Solutions Institute and Press  
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510/841-2636  FAX: 510/841-2926  

Magazine

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edition. Matrix News, Matrix Information & Directory Services, Inc.  
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Organizations

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383.48DASHER::RALSTONcantwejustbenicetoeachother?:)Mon Jul 10 1995 20:1810
    Last night I loaded America-On-Line software version 2.5. This is the
    official release of their software that allows access to the WWW. I was
    pretty impressed, even when my 14.4 modem went belly up and I installed
    my old Haynes 2400. I thought that 2400 baud would run at a snails pace
    but to my surprise it was acceptable. AOL 2.5 allows you to set up a
    directory of favorite web places and what I thought was good, it will store
    the homepage graphics on your hard drive so that it doesn't have to be
    loaded each time.
    
    ...Tom
383.49Hayes?CBHVAX::CBHLager LoutMon Jul 10 1995 20:210
383.50CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanTue Jul 11 1995 03:0510


 Hmmm...maybe I'll check it out.  Right now I'm real happy with Compuserve
 and their access, but maybe I'll check AOL's again before I (try to) delete
 it.



 Jim
383.51CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanSat Aug 12 1995 03:1811


 Got an "upgrade" from AOL in the mail yesterday.  I installed it thinking
 perhaps it would be quicker than what I have now..still real slow.  I
 can click on Compuserve and be in there quite fast..I click on AOL and
 can walk around the block, clean my apt, wash the car, feed the cat and
 cook a 7 course meal, and still be waiting for AOL to paint the screen
 with all of it's stuff..

 Why is that?
383.52WebCrawler crawlsN2DEEP::SHALLOWSubtract L, invert WSat Aug 12 1995 15:467
    Jim,
    
    I think that's why they call it "WebCrawler". Too slow for my liking.
    Haven't tried it, but I have heard PSI is very good. See
    http://www.psi.com for additional details.
    
    Bob
383.53DASHER::RALSTONIdontlikeitsojuststopit!!Mon Aug 14 1995 21:566
    re: .51
    
    I like AOL's web browser. Getting on AOL is quite fast for me and I've
    sampled many of the online services. Get on AOL's Tech line and go to a
    high numbered room (>21 I think) and tell them your problem. They
    should be able to help.
383.54CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanMon Aug 14 1995 22:1611


 Thanks, I'll try that.





 
Jim
383.55CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanThu Aug 17 1995 03:3816


 re .53



 Went to AOL's on line tech folks..they decided I need some kinda 
 fantasmagraphic, ectoplasmic driver for my modem.  Downloaded it,
 installed it, did what the instructions told me to do (though I wonder
 if maybe I don't have it in the right subdirectory) and the crazy
 thing is as slow as it was before.  didn't have time to get back to
 the tech help folks tonight.


 Jim
383.56gloat, gloat.SMURF::BINDERNight's candles are burnt out.Thu Aug 17 1995 15:148
    .55
    
    > fantasmagraphic, ectoplasmic driver for my modem.
    
    Odd.  I haven't needed to install any driver at all for the modem on
    either my desktop system or my laptop.  All that's required is a CCL
    file to tell the standard modem tool about the extra features in the
    modem.
383.57CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanThu Aug 17 1995 15:203

 Wonderful!
383.58DASHER::RALSTONIdontlikeitsojuststopit!!Thu Aug 17 1995 17:027
    > fantasmagraphic, ectoplasmic driver for my modem.
    
    Sounds kind of weird to me!! Like Dick I have no special drivers. I am
    at present using a 2400 baud modem, since my 14.4 went belly-up, and I
    still get good speed on the web.
    
    ...Tom
383.59CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanThu Aug 17 1995 18:1011



 Wierd...I'll get back with the tech whizzes and see what they say.  They
 told me I needed a driver that did something because my modem was or was not
 RPI compatable (don't remember which) and this driver was supposed to make
 it happen.


 I'm at 14.4 and it is quite slow.
383.61CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanThu Aug 17 1995 20:154


 Could be.
383.62POWDML::HANGGELIPetite Chambre des MauditesThu Aug 17 1995 20:154
    
    Who knows?
    
    
383.63CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanThu Aug 17 1995 21:064


 who's nose?
383.64POLAR::RICHARDSONFirsthand Bla Bla BlaFri Aug 18 1995 20:271
    Lou's Strohs?
383.65POWDML::HANGGELIPetite Chambre des MauditesSat Aug 19 1995 02:244
    
    Choose Joe's?
    
    
383.66CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanSat Aug 19 1995 02:403

 Lose toes?
383.67SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Aug 19 1995 14:505
    
    
    strike a pose?
    
    
383.68y\STRATA::STILLtrevoocynnusSat Aug 19 1995 15:132
    this string has too go
    
383.69On-Line Services--Which One??SCAS01::SODERSTROMBring on the CompetitionWed Sep 20 1995 14:265
    To the esteemed boxers:
    
    What on-line service do you find the best? AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve,
    etc? What are your reasons for yuor preference?
    
383.70CBHVAX::CBHLager LoutWed Sep 20 1995 14:384
Demon's supposed to be pretty good, although your 'phone bills will be
expensive if you're in the States...

Chris.
383.71SMURF::BINDERNight's candles are burnt out.Wed Sep 20 1995 15:0627
    .69
    
    Which service is best depends on what you want to use the service for.
    
    Service	Costs		Internet	Remarks
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    AOL		Low, with no 	WAIS, Archie,	Easy-to-use interface.
    		premium fees	Gopher, FTP,	Good file archives.  Notes
    		for anything	WWW, mail.	fora.  Peer-to-peer.
    
    Compuserve	High, many	Less than AOL,	Moderately easy interface
    		premium fees	fee for mail	Best file archives.  Notes
    				you receive	fora.  Best for research.
    						Peer-to-peer.
    
    Delphi	Moderate, some	Full		Character cell interface.
    		premium fees			Weak file archives.  Notes
    						fora.  Terminal login with
    						SLIP or PPP connect-through
    
    Prodigy	Low		Very limited	Uses 1/4 of your screen for
    						advertising.  Has censored
    						mail derogatory to Prodigy.
    						Has ability to upload your
    						files without your consent
    						or knowledge.  Master-
    						slave.
383.72CSLALL::HENDERSONI'd rather have JesusWed Sep 20 1995 15:0712



 I've come to the conclusion they're all the same. 






 Jim
383.73CSLALL::HENDERSONI'd rather have JesusWed Sep 20 1995 15:2210


 Note that Compuserve has changed their pricing structure to one similar
 to AOL's.  One monthly fee ($9.95) and 5 hours access to most forums.  There
 is an hourly fee after the 5 hours, but I can't remember what it is.  I
 believe there are more free mail messages now as well.


 Jim
383.74CALLME::MR_TOPAZWed Sep 20 1995 15:251
       AOL's browser sucks the big cahoona.
383.75CBHVAX::CBHLager LoutWed Sep 20 1995 15:2713
From an outsider's point of view, a brief summary of a couple of providers:

Provider:	Pros:			Cons:
---------	-----			-----
AOL		Easy to use, cheap	Full of dickheads

Compuserve	Established, sensible	Full of squares.  VERY expensive.
		user community, ease of	I mean *really* very expensive.
		access from anywhere

Prodigy		Cheap.			Full of pricks.
		Not as many pricks as
		AOL.
383.76MPGS::MARKEYMercenary geeks rool!Wed Sep 20 1995 15:3316
    
    I prefer the ones who just give you an Internet connection
    and tell you to have at it over the "services". Examples
    of services I prefer include: tiac (in Mass) and mv (in
    NH).

    No, I don't want your e-mail program, I like the one I have 
    in Lotus Notes. No, I don't want your mangled browser, I
    prefer the commercial version of Netscape that works with
    the socket library. No, I don't want to participate in your
    on-line multi-way wanking free-for-all, cybersex is not
    my cup of tea. No, I really don't want to fawn over George
    Stephenopolis in a Compuserve exclusive on-line forum.
    Just give me my bloody ISDN connection and then go away...

    -b
383.77MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Wed Sep 20 1995 15:363
I agree with Brian. What you want is a connection to the world, not
what some service provider has decided to offer in terms of special
interest groups, etc.
383.78MSN??SCAS01::SODERSTROMBring on the CompetitionWed Sep 20 1995 15:381
    Anyone on the Microsoft Network yet? I haven't seen this mentioned.
383.80SMURF::BINDERNight's candles are burnt out.Wed Sep 20 1995 15:4829
    .79
    
    Does Compuserve charge for Internet mail received after a certain
    mumber of messages?  AOL doesn't.
    
    I almost never have problems getting in to AOL, and I've had exactly
    ONE AOL lockup - on my machine, not on the net - since I began using
    AOL.
    
    I've used CIM.  It sucks compared to the AOL interface.  But perhaps
    that's because I use a Mac.  AOL's interface is derived from AppleLink,
    which was written by Apple people who knew how to design the GUI to
    take advantage of the machine's capabilities.
    
    There are unmoderated fora on AOL, one in particular called HECKLERS,
    which is much like the box except that AOL asks users not to hammer the
    thumpers cuz they get their widdle feewings hurt so easily.
    
    If a file in in the AOL upgrade/patch areas, it is the exact same file
    you get on Compu$erve, and in addition AOL has checked every file with
    the latest version of a good virus checker.
    
    > I've saved the yearly cost by using SABRE...
    
    Er, um...  On AOL, you can use Easy SAABRE for free.  Of course, you
    don't get the Easy SAABRE GUI unless you have a Mac...  The ONLY extra
    fees on AOL, for ANY reason, are those imposed by some services that
    AOL provides gateways to, usually for shopping, paid professional
    research, and so on.
383.81Why pay a middleman, go right to the sourceDECWIN::RALTOAt the heart of the beastWed Sep 20 1995 16:2411
    If you must have an on-line service (as opposed to an Internet
    service provider), I'd go with Compuserve.  Eventually, when I
    get the time and money, I'm going to go directly onto the
    Internet, assuming that the government and/or litigation won't
    have ruined it by then.
    
    I've read enough about Prodigy and AOL on the Web to know that
    I don't want any part of either one of them, although either one
    of them would probably be best for kids.
    
    Chris
383.82Microsoft's experimentDECWIN::RALTOAt the heart of the beastWed Sep 20 1995 16:2712
    Oh, forgot to mention about the Microsoft Network...
    
    I've heard people who've been on it say that there isn't very
    much content yet, even about Microsoft's own products.  It's not
    clear whether that will change in the future.  Of course it depends
    on how many people end up on it.
    
    I'd venture that most people who want to be connected probably
    are already, and they're probably on AOL or Prodigy, and that
    they won't be bothered switching for no perceived benefit.
    
    Chris
383.83MPGS::MARKEYMercenary geeks rool!Wed Sep 20 1995 16:316
    
    And, for the Macophile, there's "e-world", chock full of Mac
    internet goodies, but a bit sparse on the dial-in numbers
    for the left-coast impaired.
    
    -b
383.84I don't use eWorld, either.SMURF::BINDERNight's candles are burnt out.Wed Sep 20 1995 16:349
    .82
    
    Even if I used a Pee Sea and wanted Windump95, I would not sign up for
    the Microsquash Network.  In my opinion, it is clearly a monopolistic
    practice.  If MS were to put automatic signups for the other online
    services wih Windump95 so that you could simply choose which one you
    wanted, that would be fair - the way it is, with MSN being the only one
    offered, it's a sucker bet.  I'm sorry, but I don't bite on 3-card
    Monte, either.
383.85MPGS::MARKEYMercenary geeks rool!Wed Sep 20 1995 16:368
    
    re .84
    
    My new Packard Bell PC has the kits for AOL, CompuServe,
    Microsoft Network AND Prodigy installed... just pick
    one!
    
    -b
383.86BOXORN::HAYSSome things are worth dying forWed Sep 20 1995 16:3826
RE: 383.80 by SMURF::BINDER "Night's candles are burnt out."

> Does Compuserve charge for Internet mail received after a certain
> mumber of messages?  

Used to,  I don't think they do anymore.


> I almost never have problems getting in to AOL, and I've had exactly
> ONE AOL lockup - on my machine, not on the net - since I began using
> AOL.

I gave up on AOL as their software on my machine kept locking up.


> On AOL, you can use Easy SAABRE for free.  

Always have on Compuserve.


> Of course, you don't get the Easy SAABRE GUI unless you have a Mac...  

The Easy SAABRE comes with a GUI on Compuserve without messing with a Mac.


Phil
383.87SMURF::BINDERNight's candles are burnt out.Wed Sep 20 1995 16:404
    .85, .86
    
    Well bust mah britches.  Things have changed a little since I last
    looked.  Level the playing field, this is a good thing.
383.88iii.netDOCTP::KELLERListen to the music play...Wed Sep 20 1995 16:4516
Go directly to the source and sign up with an Internet Service Provider 
(ISP).

The ISP that I'm connected to is wonderful.  I very rarely get a busy 
signal they have very fast lines and they are veryreasonably priced.

Their name is Intuitive Information Inc. Based out of Fitchburg, they have 
local numbers for most of central Massachusetts.

They have two basic internet plans, for either SLIP or PPP, the first one 
calle "What's the internet" is $5/month and no setup fee. That gives you 5 
hours of connect time, each additional hour is one dollar.  Their basic
SLIP/PPP account is $30/month witha  small one time setup charge, that 
gives you 40 hours of connect time and each additional hour is $0.50

--Geoff
383.89COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Sep 21 1995 03:153
iii.net is run by former boxer JoeT.

/john
383.90DOCTP::KELLERListen to the music play...Thu Sep 21 1995 11:519
>             <<< Note 383.89 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>
>
>iii.net is run by former boxer JoeT.
>
>/john

I thought I recognized that name when I saw it on a recent memo

--Geoff
383.91Includes unlimited connect timeROWLET::AINSLEYLess than 150kts is TOO slow!Thu Sep 21 1995 14:475
    If you are in Dallas, try Internet America.  $19.95/month for a PPP
    account with full internet access.  They also use Alphas for most of
    their internet connections.
    
    Bob
383.92GENRAL::RALSTONFugitive from the law of averagesWed Mar 13 1996 16:5571
AOL, Microsoft make up

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Associated Press

NEW YORK -- America Online Inc. and Microsoft Corp. put aside a year of
acrimony Tuesday with an alliance that might broadly affect the future of
on-line services and software development.

The deal gives America Online exposure on virtually every new personal
computer, and Microsoft a boost in its struggle against Netscape
Communications Corp. to influence rapid changes in software development.

It ends months of bitterness between the companies over Microsoft's
integration of its own on-line service with its core product, the Windows
95 operating system that runs basic functions of most personal computers.

The Justice Department has kept alive an antitrust investigation of
Microsoft because of complaints by America Online and other on-line firms
about the connection between Windows 95 and the Microsoft Network on-line
service. The Justice Department declined comment on the probe Tuesday.

The deal also caps a week of arrangements by America Online with Apple
Computer Inc., AT&T Corp. and Netscape that may lower its costs and expand
its base of 5 million subscribers, the biggest of an on-line service.

"They help clear the deck to focus on the real issue, which is what will
AOL's content strength be in two to three years," said Bill Bluestein,
analyst at Forrester Research in Cambridge, Mass.

AOL and other on-line firms are adapting themselves economically and
technically because of the growing appeal of the Internet as a common space
for exchanging data.

In the latest deal, Microsoft agreed to make America Online's access
software part of Windows 95 when it is revised this summer. While America
Online's software already appeared on many new PCs, it paid manufacturers
to put it there and might now save significant marketing costs.

In return, America Online will use Microsoft's Explorer "browser" program
as the principal way its subscribers access information on the World Wide
Web and similarly designed networks inside companies.

"Microsoft will become our primary technology partner in the Internet
space," said Steve Case, chief executive officer of America Online.

That's important to Microsoft because Explorer is far behind Netscape's
Navigator program as the Web gateway most people use. And programmers who
design information for the Web decide what design tools to buy based on the
reach of those browsers.

Netscape has gained more clout among software developers who are modifying
programs and data to be accessible on the Web or internal networks that use
a similar technical design.

"Microsoft gains some legitimacy for its browser as far as market share is
concerned," said Scott Winkler, analyst at Gartner Group, a technology
advisory firm in Stamford, Conn. "In an environment where they were having
difficulty competing, they've now got a story to stand on."

Netscape is still the leader, with its browser used by nearly 9 out of 10
people who surf the Web. It latest release, Navigator 2.0, has many
features that Microsoft won't offer until this summer.

AOL subscribers will still have the ability to use Netscape's browser but
they will have to download it separately, just as they do now.

The Microsoft-AOL arrangement is not exclusive, however. Microsoft may
eventually fold other on-line service software into Windows 95, chairman
Bill Gates said.
383.93CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowFri Aug 09 1996 15:339

 The number I dial for AOL reminds me of "Shimmy Shimmy koko bop" by
 Little Anthony and the Imperials, as I hear it being dialed.




Jim
383.94CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowMon Aug 26 1996 16:5118
383.95BIGQ::SILVAquince.ljo.dec.com/www/decplus/Mon Aug 26 1996 17:388
383.96GAVEL::JANDROWwhen in doubt, hug your teddybearMon Aug 26 1996 17:438
383.97SCASS1::BARBER_Aall of which are American dreamsMon Aug 26 1996 17:483
383.98BIGQ::SILVAquince.ljo.dec.com/www/decplus/Mon Aug 26 1996 18:543
383.99SCASS1::BARBER_Aall of which are American dreamsMon Aug 26 1996 18:571
383.100POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideMon Aug 26 1996 19:044
383.101BIGQ::SILVAquince.ljo.dec.com/www/decplus/Mon Aug 26 1996 21:255
383.102SCASS1::BARBER_Aall of which are American dreamsMon Aug 26 1996 21:273
383.103BIGQ::SILVAquince.ljo.dec.com/www/decplus/Mon Aug 26 1996 21:381
383.104SCASS1::BARBER_Aall of which are American dreamsMon Aug 26 1996 21:513
383.105BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Tue Aug 27 1996 02:053
383.106THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Tue Aug 27 1996 03:022
383.107BUSY::SLABForeplay? What's that?Wed Sep 04 1996 16:184
383.108BUSY::SLABForeplay? What's that?Wed Sep 04 1996 16:2010
383.109SCASS1::BARBER_AFear is yourWed Sep 04 1996 16:243
383.110NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Jan 08 1997 13:5412
383.111SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Thu Jan 16 1997 22:21151
383.112I guess they qualify for quantity discountDSPAC9::FENNELLNothing is planned by the sea and the sandFri Jan 17 1997 00:411
383.113WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjFri Jan 17 1997 10:481
383.114BYOA: Why?USPS::FPRUSSFrank Pruss, 202-232-7347Fri Jan 17 1997 12:026
383.115BYOA is cheaper, by about halfTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxFri Jan 17 1997 12:2714
383.116SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Fri Jan 17 1997 13:1157
383.117perfect !!GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Jan 17 1997 13:176
383.118SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jan 17 1997 15:491
383.119actions contradict wordsCOOKIE::MUNNSdaveFri Jan 17 1997 15:534
383.120SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jan 17 1997 15:584
383.121STAR::JESSOPAnkylosaurs had afterburnersFri Jan 17 1997 17:127
383.122STAR::JESSOPAnkylosaurs had afterburnersFri Jan 17 1997 17:147
383.123BUSY::SLABA Momentary Lapse of ReasonMon Jan 20 1997 21:0524
383.124GOJIRA::JESSOPEDPonics - more better than the restTue Jan 21 1997 13:165
383.125For those keeping scoreCSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayTue Jan 21 1997 23:314
383.126BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 22 1997 03:224
383.127BIGHOG::PERCIVALI'm the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Jan 22 1997 12:1517
383.128SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Thu Jan 23 1997 13:028
383.129CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jan 23 1997 14:3512
383.130Maybe they should cut connection after "x" hours?TLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxThu Jan 23 1997 15:1721
383.131FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 26 1997 16:557
    
    
    	I signed up with Netcom over the weekend. Seems to be ok at first
    glance. No problem logging on etc...
    
    
    jim
383.132GOJIRA::JESSOPAnkylosaurs had afterburnersTue Jan 28 1997 15:5510
    ...Still see AOL advertising on Cable...
    
    Signed up for a free month with MSN...  Guess what.  Got busy signal
    trying to dial in yesterday.  *sigh*
    
    I heard an estimate [and I am roughly paraphrasing here] that even with
    the new type of TCP/IP coming out, the web will be overcrowded and
    brought to its knees in just a decade or so... at this rate.
    
    Mike
383.133SALEM::DODALife's a meeting. Get on the agenda!Tue Jan 28 1997 15:594
We've got some HUGE Rawhide orders for AOL shipping out of here 
in the next few weeks/months.

daryll
383.134CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayTue Jan 28 1997 17:094


 head 'em up and move 'em out.
383.135ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 11:472
    
    <--- figured you'd say that. how predictable.
383.136BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 31 1997 11:504

	Battis... you're in a mood today. Either go have a burger and a coffee
with vanilla, or go home!