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Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
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Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
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339.0. "Totalitarianism and police states" by SX4GTO::OLSON (Doug Olson, ISVETS Palo Alto) Mon Mar 13 1995 21:09

    
    Totalitarianism has been coined as a word to describe the more
    rapacious dictatorships seen in this century.  I'm aware of a
    particular book by Hannah Arendt on the subject, but I don't imagine
    that hers is the last word.  This topic to discuss various aspects of
    totalitarianism; historical and present day examples, lessons to be
    learned from, and for the general discussion of police states.
    
    DougO
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339.1Singapore - police state?SX4GTO::OLSONDoug Olson, ISVETS Palo AltoMon Mar 13 1995 21:24110
    188.140> Singapore is not a police state. It is not devoid of civil
           > rights. I would happily live there when I retire. [...]  
           > It is an asian country with different cultural values...
    
    It is not only westerners who sometimes consider Singapore to be a
    police state.
    
    DougO 
    -----
    Singapore's Legal System Questioned Again 
    Manila upset -- Filipino faces hanging 
    
    
    Robert H. Reid 
    Manila, Philippines 
    
    Singapore's strict legal system, criticized last year after an American
    teenager was ordered flogged for vandalism, is under fire again -- this
    time from fellow Asians. 
    
    For more than a week, in banner headlines, Manila newspapers have
    alleged a rush to judgment and a coverup in the case of Flor
    Contemplacion, a Filipino maid and mother of four who has been
    sentenced to hang for the May 1991 deaths of another Filipino maid,
    Della Maga, and a 4-year-old Singaporean boy. 
    
    The controversy has led some to describe Singapore, a partner with the
    Philippines in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, as a
    ``police state'' with an inflexible legal code. 
    
    Under public pressure, Philippines President Fidel Ramos has asked the
    Singapore government to postpone the execution until purported new
    evidence can be evaluated.
    
    In an interview yesterday in Copenhagen with AP Television, Ramos said
    he has written twice to Singapore's president, most recently on
    Saturday. 
    
    He said he was not asking Singapore to bend the rules, ``just asking
    for a fresh opportunity to review the case once more.'' 
    
    Singaporean authorities do not announce execution dates in advance, but
    Contemplacion's family says it was told to claim the body on Friday.
    Executions in Singapore usually are carried out on Fridays. 
    
    Filipino human rights lawyer Romeo Capulong believes Contemplacion was
    framed. He plans to travel to Singapore today to lobby for a new trial
    ``to punish the real culprit.'' 
    
    It is unclear whether the purported new evidence is strong enough to
    merit a new investigation. It is based on allegations by another
    Filipino maid, Emilia Frenilla, who has since returned to the
    Philippines. 
    
    Frenilla, who worked next door to Maga in Singapore, said she overheard
    her employers talking about the case. By eavesdropping, she surmised
    that the 4-year- old suffered an epileptic seizure in a bathtub and
    drowned. 
    
    When the child's relatives discovered what had happened, they killed
    Maga in a fit of rage, she added. Frenilla said she fled Singapore for
    fear she might be killed, too. 
    
    The Philippines imposes the death sentence for murder and other major
    crimes, although no execution has been carried out in nearly 20 years.
    As in Singapore, some convictions carry a mandatory death sentence. 
    
    But with national elections only two months away, politicians have
    seized upon the case as an example of the abuse and mistreatment they
    say is faced by hundreds of thousands of Filipinos who must leave the
    country to find work. 
    
    Senator Blas Ople, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
    has asked Manila Archbishop Cardinal Jaime L. Sin to urge Pope John
    Paul II to intercede in the case. 
    
    ``I just hope the Singaporean government will heed our appeal and just
    deport her here,'' Vice President Joseph Estrada said. 
    
    In a press statement yesterday, the Alex Boncayao Brigade, a
    Manila-based communist assassination squad, threatened to ``exact
    justice'' against Filipino officials and diplomats if they fail to 
    stop the execution. 
    
    The outcry is reminiscent of the U.S. controversy over last May's
    flogging of American teenager Michael Fay, who was convicted of
    vandalizing cars. 
    
    Singapore has defended its strict judicial system by arguing that
    Americans and other Westerners do not understand ``Asian culture,''
    described as placing greater emphasis on the community's rights over
    those of the individual. 
    
    The issue of Singaporean justice also has been raised in Germany by
    lawyers for trader Nick Leeson, who plunged the British bank Barings
    into bankruptcy by speculative trading in Singapore. 
    
    Leeson is being held in a German jail pending a decision on whether
    Germany will extradite him to Singapore to face fraud charges. His
    German lawyer has asked that he be sent to Britain to face any charges. 
    
    Migrante, an organization that lobbies on behalf of Filipinos working
    abroad, has called for a boycott of Singapore Airlines and Singaporean
    products to pressure the government there into stopping the execution. 
    
    The New Patriotic Alliance, a left-wing Filipino federation, condemned
    Singapore's ``police state'' and said Contemplacion must ``pay the
    price of being punished in a most primitive way -- through hanging.'' 
    
    Published 3/13/95 in San Francisco Chronicle
339.2just say no - or elseCSSREG::BROWNJust Visiting This PlanetTue Mar 14 1995 10:172
    bringing drugs into singapore will earn one a hemp necktie as well.
    
339.3CONSLT::MCBRIDEaspiring peasantTue Mar 14 1995 12:221
    SHouldn't this be merged with the Malls note?  
339.4Pointless...GAAS::BRAUCHERTue Mar 14 1995 12:3417
    
      There are no states without police, so all are police states.
    
      As to "totalitarianism", the word makes my eyes cross - I suspect
     it means nothing, but is complicated enough to finance an academic
     career.
    
      Stalin and Hitler were actually surprisingly inefficient and given
     to human foibles, in spite of being nutcases.
    
      So the chief effect of inventing these words has been another verbal
     tool for snobs to demonize their opponents with.  Like calling Bob
     Dole a racist, or Clinton a traitor, or Gingrich a despoiler of
     children.  But these work better because Joe Sixpack doesn't know
     what a totalitarian is, so the result of its use is incoherence.
    
      bb
339.5ODIXIE::CIAROCHIOne Less DogTue Mar 14 1995 17:418
    Paul Newman is a racist (I think he drives Z cars), Sam Walton was a
    very shrewd traitor, and amassed a fortune, and my mother is one of de
    great spoilers of children, especially mine.
    
    I don't know Joe Sixpack, but my father-in-law is a tee totalitarian
    and doesn't drink any alchohol whatsoever.  This makes him very cranky
    and unpleasant, which is probably why they make such lousy leaders.
    
339.6SX4GTO::OLSONDoug Olson, ISVETS Palo AltoFri Mar 17 1995 17:5234
    >There are no states without police, so all are police states.
          
    Some of us find differences in the degree to which the police impose
    themselves upon the population to be of interest, defining the more
    obtrusive, brutal forces to be more deserving of the description
    "police state".  You knew that already, of course; why you chose to
    make your fatuous comment escapes me.
    
    > As to "totalitarianism", the word makes my eyes cross - I suspect
    > it means nothing, but is complicated enough to finance an academic
    > career.
    
    Never heard the word before?  And I thought you moderately well
    informed.
    
    > So the chief effect of inventing these words has been another 
    > verbal tool for snobs to demonize their opponents with.
    
    Uh, no.  The word is used is describe a particular correlation of
    factors in certain modern states.  It is useful in political theory,
    and for those of us interested in the continuing evolution of modern
    states, to describe certain behaviors.  It may be jargon, but then many
    terms of specialist jargon can be useful to people discussing the work
    in any of hundreds of fields.  Turing Machine.  Genome.  Adiabatic
    pressure.  ph.  Socialism.  Fascism.  Totalitarianism.  It isn't a
    "verbal tool for snobs" any more than any other word is.
    
    > But these work better because Joe Sixpack doesn't know what a
    > totalitarian is, so the result of its use is incoherence.
    
    I suppose if one prefers to remain agressively ignorant, one might
    reach that conclusion.  I'd thought better of you.  Was I wrong?
    
    DougO
339.7SX4GTO::OLSONDoug Olson, ISVETS Palo AltoFri Mar 17 1995 17:5351
    AP 16 Mar 95 21:25 EST V0824
 
    Copyright 1995 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 
    MANILA, Philippines (AP) -- Radio stations played somber music Friday
    and a newspaper denounced Singapore as a "police state" after a
    Filipino maid was hanged despite pleas that her execution be postponed. 

    Flor Contemplacion, 42, was hanged at dawn Friday at the maximum
    security Changi prison, said prison spokeswoman Yim Pui Fun. 

    Mrs. Contemplacion was portrayed by the Philippine media as a martyr,
    the victim of Singapore's harsh legal system and an uncaring Philippine
    diplomatic service that ignores the rights of Filipinos who work
    abroad. 

    As reports of the execution reached Manila, radio and television
    stations played funeral dirges. About 200 people who held an all-night
    vigil in front of the Singapore embassy shouted and cried after the
    execution was announced. 

    "We cannot depend on those animals," said Jejomar Binay, mayor of
    suburban Makati, where the embassy is located. "We have them here for
    war games and this is what they do to us." 

    President Fidel Ramos, the country's Roman Catholic hierarchy and
    numerous others had asked Singapore to postpone the execution until new
    evidence in the May 1991 murders could be evaluated. 

    The Singaporeans refused, saying the new evidence was not credible.
    Mrs. Contemplacion was convicted last April of killing another Filipino
    maid, Della Maga, and her 4-year-old charge, Nicholas Huang, in May
    1991. 

    Her former cellmate, Virginia Parumog, flew to Singapore late Thursday
    and said Mrs. Contemplacion had told her the boy drowned in the tub and
    his family killed Mrs. Maga in a fit of rage. 

    Other friends said Mrs. Contemplacion was drugged and tortured into
    confessing. 

    "It is easy to understand why Singapore refused to look into
    allegations ... that the convict had been drugged and tortured," The
    Manila Chronicle said. "Such would confirm what many observers have
    thought about Singapore: that behind the facade of prosperity and
    peace, Singapore is actually a police state with rights and liberties
    totally expendable." 

    Singapore has defended its strict legal system, saying it may offend
    some Westerners but reflects Asian values which place rights of the
    community above individual liberties.
339.8Matters of degree...GAAS::BRAUCHERFri Mar 17 1995 18:0220
    
    Well, DougO, like calling people "racists", I can find no meaning
    any more except dislike.  "Singapore is a police state."  "Burma's
    government is totalitarian."  It just means, "I don't like the
    governments of Singapore and Burma."  "Jesse Jackson is a racist"
    just means "I don't like Jesse Jackson".
    
    But then I forgot your peculiar agenda - to submit all our problems
    to "experts" who will tell us what to do.  The only experts are us.
    Fancy words cannot absolve us from moral judgements and our own
    responsibility for making them.  No amount of experts could change
    my opinions of governments.
    
    Yes, there is a matter of degree of oppression in governments.  Some,
    like Iraq, are very harsh in the way they brutalize their subjects.
    Others, like the American, are only moderately evil.  But they are
    all the ordinary human's enemies, and so are their "experts" who use
    big words to fool and to steal.
    
      bb
339.9Trying only to be clear...GAAS::BRAUCHERFri Mar 17 1995 18:2726
    
    That last reply is maybe a tad misleading.  In the USA, we put more
    people in jail than elsewhere.  Janet Reno orders Waco.  The parties
    fall over each other as to who will spend more money "fighting crime".
    
    Meanwhile, in a directly contrary trend, American civil liberties,
    if you can afford fancy lawyers, are extended practically without
    bounds.  If anybody in the government, from the president to a police
    detective, gets caught in the sights of the attack press, the official
    is ruined forever, the guilty walk, random mobs riot in the streets
    with impunity.
    
    If you think the characterization "police state" is enlightening, in
    describing a multidimensional solution space in citizen-state
    relations, then go ahead and use it, if you like.  But the word is
    so pejorative, that the net effect of its use will be dischord,
    not agreement, from your listeners.
    
    That's all I meant.  You set yourself up as a judge.  A judge that
    comes from a country whose idea of a justice system is People of
    California vs. Simpson.  That is, the laughingstock of the world,
    a system absurd on its face, which no other country seeks to emulate.
    Singapore does it different, and has a different set of problems.
    I'm not sure whose are worse.
    
      bb
339.10MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalFri Aug 11 1995 16:051
    Comrad Di is back!
339.11FWIWDEVLPR::DKILLORANNo Compromise on FreedomFri Nov 17 1995 12:03160
------------ Forwarded Message -----------------------
BOYS IN BLUE......WHO DO YOU SERVE ?

     In 1775, Blackstone wrote; A conspiracy is a combination by two or 
more men, persons, or companies to  bring  about, either an unlawful 
result by means lawful or unlawful, or a lawful result by unlawful 
means.
     Everybody agrees, including courts, on that definition......that 
when two or more people combine together to effect an unlawful object, 
it is a conspiracy; which is both a criminal offense under the laws of 
the land everywhere, and also gives the party injured a right to 
damages.
     The branch of criminal justice which comprises a methodical system 
for the prevention and detection of crime is commonly known by the name 
of  "POLICE."  The police, in general in the past, has been a system of 
precaution either for the prevention of crime or calamities.  The
system of police administration includes neither the making of the law 
or the law itself. Police are to be the instruments by which conformity 
to the rules of the Commonwealth are obtained.
Historically, the government  employed  the police for the public 
welfare only,  to uphold the "peace." Police were always referred to as 
" Officers of the Peace."
     To uphold the peace is to be supportive of those natural Laws that 
all human beings are bound by moral conscience to observe. The  "peace 
officer" represented that authority, serving and protecting all 
interests  of  the  people against  those who would exercise unlawful 
dominion.
Below  is an example of the evolving  definition of  "POLICE."  It is 
easy to see how  the once "officer of the peace" has been converted  
into  "law enforcement officer."

BOUVIER'S DICTIONARY, 1913:    
"POLICE "
     That species of superintendence by magistrates which has 
principally for its object the maintenance of public tranquillity among 
the citizens. The officers who are appointed for this purpose are also 
called the police. 
     
WEBSTER'S NEW COLLEGIATE DICTIONARY, 1953: 
" POLICE"
     1. The internal organization  or regulation  of a state; esp. such 
regulation with respect to matters affecting the comfort, health, 
morals, safety, or   prosperity of the public.
     2.  a. The department of government charged with enforcing law and 
order, now esp. with respect to the prevention, detection, and 
prosecution of public nuisances, crimes, etc.
         b.  The organized force of civil officials in this department, 
esp. as a collective pl., the police officers or constabulary of a 
town, city, etc.
     3.  To maintain law and order in a country.
     4.  To make clean and put in order, as a military camp.

WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY, 1988: 
"POLICE"
     1.  The internal government of a community;
     2.  A body of civil officers for enforcing order;
     3.  To guard or regulate by police.
     Law enforcement is the exercise of unlawful dominion over others. 
It is the imposition of the will of the state by force and fear, for an 
economic advantage. The law enforcement officer enforces an artificial 
morality for the benefit of the state. 
     Why have the public servants  known in the past as "OFFICERS OF 
THE PEACE" become known today as "LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS?" Why did 
you become a law enforcement officer? Was it to keep the peace and 
preserve the America you love?  Or, was it to enforce the foreign laws 
of a foreign principle imposed against the American people brought
about by a contrived bankruptcy of this nation by a handful of criminal 
politicians.
     Perhaps you never heard about the National bankruptcy. It was 
first declared in 1933 by FDR by Executive Order. The American people 
were told it was a banking holiday. At that time, congress took us off 
the gold standard and turned our dejure money into worthless paper 
called "monetized debt." The bankruptcy was again announced to the 
American people in 1938 by a change in our law. We couldn't keep 
Constitutional Common Law without the backing of substance which we 
previously derived  from our gold and silver money. In 1938 the courts 
did away with American common law, and basically, our Constitutional 
rights. In its place we got "One Form Of Action" or, statutory law and 
regulations. These statutes can only be enforced through the police 
power for they have no force of law on their own.
     The government through its bankruptcy, surrendered its sovereignty 
and became a corporator. This government also surrendered the 
sovereignty of the American people, making us the servants or slaves of 
the international bankers.  Therefore the real party in interest, or 
the real party running this Nation is not the dejure "United States of 
America" or "State", but the international bankers known as "The Bank" 
and/or "The Fund." The Reorganization is located in Title 5 of United 
States Code Annotated. The "Explanation" at the beginning of 5 U.S.C.A.
is most informative reading. The "Secretary of Treasury" was appointed 
as the "Receiver" in Bankruptcy for the United States. ( see: Title 5 
U.S.C.A., Public Law 94-564Legislative History, pg. 5967)
     For all intent and purposes the Constitutions of this nation were 
made null and void under the bankruptcy. American common law ceased to 
exist and statutory law, under the Uniform Commercial Code, became the 
law of the land. Every time an individual makes a court appearance, no 
matter what the reason, he/she is appearing in a court of bankruptcy. 
This nation is bankrupt and every case is designed to be settled under 
the bankruptcy.
     The United States accepted membership to Interpol in 1938,(see: 22 
U.S.C. 263a) the same year the courts dopted statutory jurisdiction and 
the Commonwealth constitution became civilly dead. Interpol is an 
international law enforcement agency acting through the U.S. National
Central Bureau. The National Bureau, under control of the Secretary of 
Treasury, controls the Dept. of Treasury, along with B.A.T.F., Customs, 
I.R.S. and Secret Service. It also controls the Dept. of Justice, FBI, 
DEA, Dept. of State, and Postal Service. Interpol's U.S. National 
Central Bureau operates from Treasury Department facilities. Interpol 
is a private organization, yet it seems to be enjoying all the 
privileges of a U.S. Federal agency. 
      As law enforcement officers (police) are Corporate soldiers hired 
by the Corporate government to protect it`s Corporate interest under 
their control of Interpol. These Corporate soldiers don't protect the 
people, that is not their job, and the courts have admitted this.(see:  
South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (HOW) 396, 15 L.Ed., 433 (1856); Riss v. 
City of New York, 293 N.Y. 2d 897 (1968); Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 
App., 120 Cal. Rptr 5 (1975);  Warren v. District of Columbia, D.C. 
App., 444 A 2d 1 (1991). 
     Law enforcement officers (police ie; fiduciaries) are now charged 
with two duties; 
      1. To protect the corporate interests; 
      2. Corporate law enforcement officers (police) are to generate 
revenue for it`s Foreign Principals. ( International Monetary Fund, 
Interpol)
     However, the police powers of  this nation were never intended to 
raise revenue and cannot be used to raise revenue. (See Bond Bros. v. 
Louisville & Jefferson County Met. S Dist., 211 S.W .2d 867, 873; 307 
Ky. 689, 699) The action of arrest, under color of law as a revenue
generating scheme by the Corporate states, their political Corporate 
subdivisions, their agents, and local law enforcement, acting for its 
foreign principal, represents an act of Conspiracy and Constructive 
Fraud against the dejure sovereigns, the people. (COLOR OF LAW...... 
The appearance or semblance, without the substance, of legal right. 
Misuse of power, possessed by virtue of state law and made possible 
only because wrongdoer is clothed with authority of state, is action 
taken under "color of state law."  Black's Law, 6th Ed. pg.265,266 )
     The people cannot obtain a remedy from the Interpol officers, 
local law enforcement, while operating under the pretendment of the 
character of a United States citizen, therefore, as law enforcement 
officers  you are committing a crime under Title 18 USC 911, 912.
     Historically, Constitutionally, there is no federal jurisdiction 
to legislate municipally for a Union State. It can only be done through 
federal blackmail of the individual Union States. 
     To this author's knowledge, the people of America were never asked 
by either the federal or State government to knowingly sign our 
unalienable Natural rights away or pledge ourselves, our property, our 
labor, and our posterity to a cabal of international bankers for a debt 
we have never incurred. 
     It would appear that this nation has covertly received an 
international police force to implement the new world order into 
America, perhaps one state at a time. Every time a "law enforcement 
officer" issues a citation, arrests, or assists in prosecution of a 
victimless crime, they are enforcing "PUBLIC POLICY" legislation, which 
is legislation by way of the federal corporate debt, enforced by police 
powers. Perhaps unknown to you, but with your full cooperation, your
State may be the first to become part of the "NEW STATES" of America.   
   So.......tell me, Boys in Blue, who do you serve?

Copyright 1993  Joyce Rosenwald
Permission to reprint is given by author

339.12Just felt like writing this.GENRAL::RALSTONOnly half of us are above average!Fri May 10 1996 21:3710
    Regulation and legislation tell us what we can or cannot do. Most laws 
    and regulations today are political policy law, telling us what we can or 
    cannot do based on career politicians' political policy. They differ from 
    objective law based on physical protection of the individual and his 
    property. By contrast, political policy law is telling us how to live to 
    best serve the leaders. And if we do not abide by those laws and 
    regulations, then we are punished and sometimes go to jail. Therefore, we 
    are threatened by force to abide by their subjective, self-serving 
    regulations and legislation, nipping away at our freedom and creativity.