Conference back40::soapbox

From: US1RMC::"JONG@credtech.com" (Typo? What tpyo?)
To: wahoo::levesque
Subject: Action: Mark, hello!  Would you post this in SOAPBOX, please?  Thanks!

There is indeed life after Digital, if you doubted it.
We have VMS systems, but no one seems to prefer MAIL;
instead, we get daily messages from the receptionist 
on the Meridian voicemail system.
The system administrators have not even *installed* VAX NOTES, 
but we have Web access, and we are getting Lotus Notes, 
so I consider myself well off.

For those of you so inclined, I can be reached by mail at
jong@athena.credtech.com and by telephone at (617) 672-4902.
I would enjoy hearing from you!  But in any event, I wish you well,
and remain

	"Wordy"

		-- Steve Jong

From:	US1RMC::"quodling@ozemail.com.au" "Peter J. Quodling"  6-JAN-1995 05:11:47.18
To:	took::delbalso
CC:	
Subj:	Seasons Greetings

Smiling Jack! Merry Xmas. Just got your card. Was planning to send you one
but couldn't find your address anywhere. I'll be more organized next time.

Regards back to the box, it must be dead boring now, with hardly a soul in
it from the older days.

Let's see, news...

Back in October, my wife went over to the U.S. on a Holiday (Frequent flier
miles), to visit a friend in Alabama, and then up to NH for a week to the
old neighbours etc. She had a ball, and surely misses the place. I am trying
to plan on a week or two myself in around April. Putting my name down for
the 95 Green Card lottery just on the off chance.

Things have been quietish lately, but look like going great guns this year.
I currently have 7 projects on the boil. I'd be happy if just one or two of
them come through. My headhunter, has me lined up for a senior consulting
position with Microsoft here, Much as I had planned to get away from the
Corporate sector, they pay well, and have fun stuff, and it might be an in
to getting back to the U.S. (Albeit top left coast)

Xmas was great, always is with Kids. Andrew (6 1/2) is starting to mellow,
but David (3) was  over the moon about it all.

Andrew is becoming Kid Genius. Started First Grade, and is already reading
4th grade material like mad. He's keen on computers, and actually came to me
with the spec for a "Birthday Card wizard" for Microsoft Word, so I am
teaching him WordBasic, and we will do it together. The education systems
recongnizes that he is gifted, but that seems to be the limit of their
involvement.

David is the sporty type, very outgoing. Regularly find him climbing where
he shouldn't be. He had a buot of Pneumonia last year, and spent a week in
Hospital. The Doctors have now said that he is an Asthmatic, but that
doesn't slow him down at all... Has scared us once or twice, though. 

How is DEC. Hardly hear a thing from any of the locals anymore. Over here,
the reisgnations about match the layoffs. I have seen Sales Reps, that have
won Decathalon 5 years running walk out and go to the likes of Amdahl. 

I noticed the stock price seems to be creeping back up, and there are still
some great products shipping.

Are they ready to lynch Palmer yet. The man must be coasting on promises...

catch ya later,

Q

Peter J. Quodling                          Pho: +61-15-377-279
Technical Director                         Res: +61-7-273-7191
Innovation Consulting Pty. Ltd.            Fax: +61-7-273-7855
P.O. Box 1301,Sunnybank Hills,
Queensland, 4109, Australia


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Spoke to Suz last night. She's doing well, enjoying a mild winter in
Boulder with Andrew, and says "hello". She's busy at work, now has a PC
at home, but doesn't have any decent Internet access other than at work.

    Looks like Gene's rethought some things
    
From: "Gene Haag"  3-FEB-1995 14:25:00.61
To:	
Subj:	Maybe I was Wrong!

Mike,

This fresh Colorado air has provided my mind with some new perspectives. For
years I may have been wrong about a lot of things that only now seem not just
rational, but mandatory for this great nation to grow and prosper. With that
growth and prosperity comes individual opportunities and freedoms. Some things
I've begun to develop a richer and more meaningful attitude about include:

1. Guns.
    I'm reaching the point where I believe private ownership of firearms to be
an albatross on the 
    evolution of our society. This isn't the wild wild west anymore. No longer
do we need to arm 
    ourselves with a siege mentality. We have law and order...a newer and more
civilized society.
    As an example, I don't intend to sell my guns, and thus further escalate
the problem. No sir. I 
    am thinking of calling the ATF and having them relieve me of the
responsibility of owning
    any firearms.

2. Hunting.
    We simply must stop this barbaric practice of slaughtering innocent God's
creatures. Man has so 
    dominated this planet so as to render wholesale species extinct. And each
year this senseless
    slaughter continues. We must set about a course to co-exist with God's
creatures. Natural 
    selection will determine which species, man included, will survive.

3. Social Justice and Equity.
    Too many of this nations peoples go wanting each day. Wanting for food,
shelter, medical
    attention, etc. The problem is basically one of inequitable distribution of
wealth, and perhaps 
    worse yet, the inequitable distribution of opportunity. There is no way to
solve this problem 
    without direct federal government intervention. This will be expensive.
However, ignorance and 
    societal indifference to those less fortunate breeds a society of elitists.
The philosophy of
    "dog eat dog" must simply be crushed to achieve communities, indeed a
nation, dedicated to
    the implementation of social policies aimed at providing its citizenry
economic and opportunistic
    sameness.

4. Crime and Capital Punishment.
    Virtually all serious crime is a direct result of inequitable social and
economic opportunities.
    Only through massive governmental assistance can we hope to overcome these
inequities in
    our lifetime. Executing and confining people is simply barbaric. It must
end. Any society worth
    evolving can overcome temporary societal problems through the caring and
nurturing of those, who
    through no fault of their own, may have wandered into a bad situation. I
have heard, and support,
    the idea that the federal government, primarily through the Justice
department, will be advancing
    a program allocating $60 Billion over the next 5 years whose focus is re-
education and
    re-introduction into mainstream society, those who have wandered into a
life of crime.

5. Presidential Politics.
    President William Clinton and his wife Hillary have been the most maligned
occupants of the
    white house in history. They simply haven't been given a fair shake. Their
ideas of social change
    have been twisted and distorted by the mainstream press corps and most
certainly by the GOP,
    whose only goal is power at the expense of the poor and downtrodden of our
society. The only way
    to halt this erosion of our society is to join the President Clinton re-
election committee and
    campaign very hard to return Bill for another 4 years. Here in CO, unlike
MN, there is much work
    to do in this area. And much opportunity.

6. Abortion.
    This is a no brainer and I can't understand why its such a divisive issue
today. Women,      particularly young unmarried women, have the right to choose
between giving birth and terminating
     the pregnancy. The private sectors of our society have ruined this issue.
We simply must 
     establish government run abortion clinics in all major sectors of the US.
Defended by the US
     military if necessary. Donna Shalala has some very good ideas on this
matter and I expect them
     to evolve this year. About time.

7. Foreign Affairs.
    The US has no right to dictate to the rest of the world. We have civilized
bodies that are in place to
    ensure worldwide peace through equitable representation. The US is only ONE
member nation of
    organizations like the UN and NATO and as such, should be allowed, and
indeed participate with,      influence equal to, but never more than, any
other nation of the world.

And if your believe any of this shit, I've got prime tropical paradises for
sale just east of here in KS.

Have a good weekend. Hope to see you out here soon.

Gene

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	Mike, that was a Haag classic! 

    Gene find out about the rocky Mountain High out here or what!?
    
    

    
    Even from the outside, he knows the right chains to yank!!!! 
    
    :)
    

	I'll pass alsong the compliments. Gene will be down at the range
	tonight for a bit of rock 'n roll.

Jim

| <<< Note 230.6 by CSC32::M_EVANS "proud counter-culture McGovernik" >>>

| Gene find out about the rocky Mountain High out here or what!?

	More likely the Rocky Mountain Oysters.... :-)

    
    
    re: haag
    
    	that was beautiful. :)
    
    

    I kept waiting for the "NOT", but it didn't show.  8^)
    
    A classic, to be sure. 
    
    -steve

    That was the BEST writing from the cranky old fart I've ever seen.
    
    It was confirmed to be a counterfeit when I got to the Clinton part and
    extremely suspect when I read the first paragraph!
    
    -Jack

    Jim,
    
    Give Gene a hello from me as well.  I think he owes me a beer or two.
    
    meg

    
    
    It's that thin Rocky mountain air!!!!
    

    <<< Note 230.13 by CSC32::M_EVANS "proud counter-culture McGovernik" >>>

>    Give Gene a hello from me as well.  I think he owes me a beer or two.
 
	Will do. We played with the M16 on Friday, I got to shoot the
	(in)famous Beretta 92. Introduced Gene to the REAL caliber (.45).
	In all a fun night. 

	I also told him that Mike edited his letter to strike out the
	last paragraph and change it to "Clinton/Gore in '96". You
	should have seen the look on his face. ;-)

	(I did eventually tell him the truth)

Jim

    
    
    
    I love it, Jim.  So what did he call me when you told him that? :')
    
    
    Mike

          <<< Note 230.16 by GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER "Space for rent" >>>

>    I love it, Jim.  So what did he call me when you told him that? :')
 
	Conference policy precludes my entering his response. ;-)

	
Jim

    Am I slow, but Gene didn't really write this! :-)

	Hey Jim, find out if he is afraid of Greg Griffis..... :-)

    	Are you?

	eye luv ya joe!

	Never been in h.... never mind...

    	re .21 (re .20)
    
    	You talk about me a lot too...

| <<< Note 230.25 by CSC32::J_OPPELT "Whatever happened to ADDATA?" >>>


| You talk about me a lot too...

	Joe, see .21

Had a postcard from the Fat Git in the mail when I got home today.
It appears he's changed his digs.

    
    
    SHould anyone be so inclined as to want to write Wafflefartz, here is
    his e-mail address.
    
    ronleewarr@aol.com

    	Got some mail from BtheB.  I figured this was the best place to
    	post this.  BTW, who's 'liberal'?
    
    
    
From:	US3RMC::"boris@worf.Read.TASC.COM" "Boris Gokhman" 24-MAR-1995 12:27:14.11
To:	csc32::j_oppelt
CC:	
Subj:	RE: 


You kin tell liberal publikly that he's a sore looser cuz he aint answering me mail, me being so gracious in victory and all that.

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From:	US3RMC::"boris@worf.Read.TASC.COM" "Boris Gokhman"
To:	csc32::j_oppelt
CC:	
Subj:	RE: RE:

Liberal was shamed.

You kin tel them all to work hard, especially including whining politically 
korrekt femniacs. And tell them affirmative action is DEAD. Tell I said so.

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    Esco can be reached at US4RMC::"RQGQ17A@prodigy.com".  I've added him
    to the distlist for the May party for Wannahoney; he says he should be
    able to attend.
    

>US4RMC::"...

Your mileage may vary.  You can use this to send a message, but change
to use the gateway through which any replies come back for future messages.

/john

Email this AM from Mickey Lane. He asks whether or not there's
OKC discussion in this forum, and, if so, which side is winning.

    
    	Winning, or whining?
    

    latest address for Bubba, who will NOT be making an appearance at
    Mz Debra's...
    
    US4RMC::"beelerj@tenet.edu"

<----bummer that he won't be making an appearance..... 

    i'll pass on your condolences, glenn

    
    
    I'm sure bubba will be pleased.

	'tine, I don't think the Richardson's sent any..... :-)

    well, i was just flashed for the 18th time, so maybe they be
    waiting in my mailbox!

    Mail from Wafflefartz today, containing among other things a request
    that I disseminate his current net address to the box.  Seems he didn't
    like AOL and has switched back to Prodigy.
    
    His new address is BDTL41A@prodigy.com.
    
    For VMS users, that's US?RMC::"BDTL41A@prodigy.com" where the question
    mark identifies your nearest gateway server.

Hey!  I'm a Prodigy user, too!  And almost a former boxer.

My address: US?RMC::"tgyh18c@prodigy.com"

ME

    > Hey!  I'm a Prodigy user, too!
    
    You have my deepest sympathies.

    Not only that, he feels sorry for you too!

    
    <r.o.> off, little buddy!

>My address: US?RMC::"tgyh18c@prodigy.com"

Any idea how this     ^^^^^^^ was arrived at, Judge?

	My dad got Prodigy, and made me a member under his 
account.  Comes in handy since he pays the bills for my 
usage as well. :-)

	When I get a real job, I'll get a parent account.

ME

But, does it stand for something or is it simply a random character string?

	It's a random character string, I think.

ME

    It's a random character string, Jack.  As best I can tell, all Prodigy
    usernames are strings of four letters, two digits, and one letter,
    where none of the characters has any significance.

re: .49

Jack,  they have the same people making up account names as the ones who
invented the various UNIX commands.

Bob

    At least on AOL I get to choose my own address.
    
    TRALST@AOL.com
    
    Pretty easy
    
    ...Tom

Or, with an independent provider, you can even pick your domain.

Jack@DelBalso.mv.com

The real value in an Email address is its memorability.

(No, the "mv" doesn't stand for "Mont Vernon".)

    .54
    
    > Or, with an independent provider, you can even pick your domain.
    
    Nope.  You can pick your node name, e.g., DelBalso, but the domain is
    mv.com.

    Re .55:
    
    You can pick your own domain, and MV will support it.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
Public key fingerprint:  8e ad 63 61 ba 0c 26 86  32 0a 7d 28 db e7 6f 75
To find PGP, read note 2688.4 in Humane::IBMPC_Shareware.

    .56
    
    Now THAT is good news.

	wait.  does this mean that you erred, richard?

    Get used to it.

>>    Get used to it.

	oh, i am.  that was just a little bit o' the lowest form
	of humor - you know. ;>

	your pal,
	diane

You can pick your friends,
and you can pick your nodes,
but you can't pick your friends' nodes.

    I can understand not liking AOL, but I can't understand how Prodigy
    could be preferable.
    
    Of course, things are going to get a bit tighter on the on-line
    services now that a judge has determined that one of them (probably
    Prodigy, if short-term memory serves) is a *publisher*, and is
    thus open to libel lawsuits for what subscribers may say about
    individuals and companies, and so on.
    
    Hey, too much personal freedom, better nip that in the bud
    right now!
    
    Chris

     <<< Note 230.62 by AMN1::RALTO "It's a small third world after all" >>>
                   -< On-line services are now "publishers" >-

>    Of course, things are going to get a bit tighter on the on-line
>    services now that a judge has determined that one of them (probably
>    Prodigy, if short-term memory serves) is a *publisher*, and is
>    thus open to libel lawsuits for what subscribers may say about
>    individuals and companies, and so on.

That'll never stand. 

    >but you can't pick your friends' nodes
    
    You can if you want to John...Yuk!  :)
    
    Unless there's a law or sumthin.
    
    ...Tom

    well, this isn't news of former 'boxers exactly, but...
    
    anybody out there still keeping in touch with jim richards (i think he
    went to quantum)??  i just got a phone call from someone who would like
    to get a message to him.  if anyone does talk to him, please write me
    off line.
    
    thanks.
    
    
    
    on a separate note, i also got a call from mike "mailroom" houston
    today.  he is alive and kicking.  and he is extending this invite to
    all that are interested:
    
    	he and his brother are having a huge cookout on july 8th.  there
	will also be a country band.  it is going to be in tynsboro mass.  
    	if anyone thinks they may be interested, write me off line and i'll 
    	give you the information.
    
    
    -raq
    

     Hello there,
     
     so today I finally found out how to make myself known to my new 
     company's Internet mail router. You can reach me at
        sah@integrata.de
     
     Yesterday, we had a vernissage in our facility and there was a chap 
     running around with a handycam. He plans to publish his recordings
     on http://www.opendoor.com/media_tent/media_tent.htm(l). But it
     may take a day or two. I am the guy greeting Pres.Clinton and 
     listening to an older welshman lecturing english literature.
     
     In order not to produce too much traffic in my first week here (and in
     order not to prove my ignorance concerning cc:mail distribution lists,
     I can only ask *you* to spread the word.

     ...
     
     Cheers,
        Heiko

    Some sort of sausage I would imagine. Everything is sausage over there.

    .67
    
    A vernissage is, basically, a grand opening.

Did they serve kasha varnishkas?

    varnished sausages?

    Heiko's in Wales?
    

    Those Europeans, when will they ever stop.

    Heard from Gregg Germain a few minutes ago. His mail address is
    gregg@hrc2.harvard.edu

    
    Ah, Hindenburg Man 8^).
    
    

From:	SHRPST::DGW::QGW::PCCAD::RICHARDJ "QUANTUM  21-Aug-1995 1436" 21-AUG-1995 14:41:57.78
To:	@MIKE_WANNEMACHER.DIS
CC:	RICHARDJ
Subj:	Hello !

Hi Mike,
          I just found out your address. I'm gonna try this to see if it 
works. Let me know if you receive this. If you do, post my return in 
SOAPBOX.

Thanks
Jim Richard

As if richardj@pccad.enet.qntm.com weren't good enough?

    
    oh, sure, someone finds him now...months after mailroom was looking
    for him...
    
    oh well...
    
    
    speaking of former 'boxers, i spoke to chip gardner yesterday.  he is
    doing well and loves his newer job at mci in new york.
    
    
    not that anyone asked...
    
    :>
    

but we're all grateful for the news..... btw, who is this chip guy.... some
kind of ball player?

    
    
    Raq,
    
    Jim called yesterday and he said that he had seen and spoken to
    outhouse.
    
    
    
    Mike

Mail from Heiko. Unfortunately, his dog, Pelle, is quite ill.

He sends his regards to all.

He can be reached at -

	USxRMC::"SaH_at_INTEGRATA-MS@ccmail.integrata.de"

    Just spoke to !Joan.  Called him to pass on a potential job lead.
    Nothing too thrilling - just some permanent part-time work, but it's a
    steady 3:30-7:30 shift and like I said to John, at least this way he
    would have some money coming in and could still interview or whatever
    in the morning.  And the job is at "Campbell's" so who knows... maybe
    free soup too!  He is still hanging out at home playing house hubby.
    Has been busy sending off his resume and has an interview tomorrow (I
    think that's what he said) with one of the agencies.  Asked me to pass
    along my regards to everyone.  Was surprised (but unfortunately not
    shocked) to hear the news about Ray and Mike and asked me to pass along
    his best wishes to them.  I told him to keep me up to date and I'll
    post whatever news here...

please don't tell me this is the M. Reid i used to race bicycles with (he
has a brother Eric?).

God I hope not.

 Chip 

    
    Common Name:   MARC REID
    Search Surname:  REID  Search Given Name:  MARC,  AUGUST,  AUGUST MARCEL
    Generation:  JR  DTN:  226-7312  Intrnl Mail Addr:  LKG2-A/U10 
    Location:  LKG
    Org Unit:  ALPHA
    
    
  

	This is sooo sad. :-(

    I had lunch with !Joan today - he is still working at Campbells (24
    hours a week - although he is going to start covering some other shifts
    for people taking vacation) and.... his big news... that he and Karen
    have bought a house - they take ownership on June 22nd.  AND.... he has
    bought a PeeCee and should be hooked up and on-line in the very near
    future.  If I get an e-mail address, I'll pass it on.

    >  !Joan today - he is still working at Campbells
    
    I take that !Joan is the correct .vs. phoenetic spelling?
    
    How is that pronounced? "Bang-Joan" or "Joan"
    
    finally, is this a case of a Boy Named Sue? or are we talking SSM here? 
    (Same Sex Marriages, for those Not In The Know)

    !Joan's last name is Collins. /hth

    
    	A Boy Named Sue, so to speak.
    

    .93
    
    bet it doesn't.

    Bet you're right. :-)

From:	ORABX::US3RMC::"beelerj@tenet.edu" "Jerry Beeler" 20-JUN-1996 11:54:17.40
To:	Karen Reese <orabx::reese_k>
CC:	
Subj:	BubbaUpdate


Remember General Bubba Beauregard?

General Bubba is still teaching high school Algebra I and things are 
going extremely (make that E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y) well!

Hey .. I'm going do do some bragging .. I'm very proud of my students and 
what they've been able to accomplish .. I'm very proud of the fact that 
I'm apparently successful as a high school teacher ... so .. allow me to 
run off at the keyboard.  Silva calls it 'bragging' .. simply stated, 
call it whatever you want .. I'm proud of what I've been able to accomplish.

My relationship with the students is exemplary ... my relationship with 
the parents is outstanding ... and the students are actually learning 
some Algebra in the process!

Last December the State of Texas started giving an End of Course tests 
for Algebra I - would you like to guess the teacher that had the highest 
percentage of students passing?  Last May was the 2nd time the test was 
given ... ol' Bubba had 75% passing .. beat the other teachers by 30 to 
40 percentage points!!!  Am I proud of my kids?  Darned right I am.  I 
work 'em - and they found that hard work pays off.

I'm very very proud of my students.
 
Last semester one of the English teachers was looking for a partner for 
an interdisciplinary team to represent our school at a regional meeting - 
she went to the counselors and asked who was the most "student oriented" 
teacher that they could recommend for such a team member .. boy .. was I 
walking on cloud 9 when all of the counselors recommended me!!!

The more serious side of success is the responsibilty encumbered with the
trust that the students and parents have put into me.  I have very mixed 
emotions when a parent tells me that "...you're the only one in a 
position to turn <so-and-so> around....".  I'm elated that I am in a 
position to help a teen turn around .. at the same time I'm more than 
passively aware of the responsibility that comes with it... scary but so 
far .. so good.

Everything sounds good .. and it is for the most part .. yeah .. there's 
the trouble-makers but for the most part I just turn on the charm that I 
learned in the USMC and the trouble disappears ... the vast majority of 
the teachers are somewhat envious of the fact that I simply do not have 
discipline problems in my classroom.

The best part of my discipline management philosophy is that the parents 
support me .. 100% .. never had a single 'complaint' !!!!  It's 
relatively easy .. I say what I mean and mean what I say - and there 
*are* consequences for improper action in my classroom.

Ahhhhh .. you may be thinking that my classroom is run like boot-camp ... 
not so ... last semester I had two students who went truant for 5 periods 
but came back to school for their Algebra class!!!!  They didn't want to 
miss math .. incredible .. but I try to create an environment that the 
students feel comfortable .. that's got to happen before they can even 
begin to learn.

Ok .. enough of that .. Bubba's extremely proud of finding a place in the 
scheme of things that .. well .. I can make a difference .. and it feels 
very very good.

Yep, I'm still somewhat 'political' .. I'm the faculty sponsor of the 
Rush Limbaugh Club at our school .. not to mention the fact that Rush 
Limbaugh is on the radio twice a day and his television show is on (brace 
yourself) 4 times a day!

Oh well .. I'm located at:

                 beelerj@tenet.edu

so write if you feel so inclined.

There is a life after DEC and it's .... WONDERFUL!!!!

Yours truly,

General Bubba Beauregard



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	I KNEW I left an impression on him!

    Yeah, that yapping little chihuahua routine is real "memorable."

| <<< Note 230.99 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "plus je bois, mieux je chante" >>>


| Yeah, that yapping little chihuahua routine is real "memorable."
| -< what an achievement, to be remembered as a pest >-

	Hey..... I didn't say it was a good impression. :-)

     Got a note from Joe Oppelt. He gave me his permission to post it here.
    
    =======================================================================
    
    	I ache when I hear about DEC's problems.  I still have a place 
    	in my heart for the company, and had you asked me a few years 
    	ago, I would have told you that I wanted to stay at DEC for my 
    	entire career.  I rejoiced 6 months ago as the news seemed to 
    	be improving, and I'm depressed about the latest news. 
     
    	Oracle bought this group, though, and I had little choice in 
    	the matter.  I loved (and still love) this particular job, and 
    	recapturing another job in DEC to avoid the buyout was not a 
    	viable option in 1994... 
     
    	As much as I love DEC, Oracle has been an equally enjoyable 
    	employer.  From the very beginning they treated us well.  At 
    	first they wanted to move us all to their new center being  
    	built in Orlando, but when many from here voiced objection, 
    	they took heed.  They bought Rdb for both the technology and 
    	the expertise, and if they ticked off the expertise they  
    	would have made a bad move.  So they made a new center right 
    	here in town and let us all stay put.  I think that speaks 
    	volumes for the company's concern for employee satisfaction. 
     
    	And they treat us well in many other aspects.  We have  
    	company picnics, and they treat us to lunch from time to  
    	time.  Last week they rented out a local movie theater and 
    	treated us all to a Wednesday morning showing of ID4!  (Other 
    	centers took our calls during that time.)  This week we will 
    	be taking calls for Orlando as they get a turn to see ID4. 
    	We get t-shirts and bagels.  And at all times we have a 
    	refrigerator full of soda, juice, etc., on the house.  It's 
    	the little things they do... 
     
    	And it's the big things too.  I'll be going to Pebble Beach 
    	next week with my wife, all expenses paid, for an award trip. 
    	We'll be staying at the Inn at Spanish Bay.  And bonuses for 
    	all of us have grown steadily since we were acquired.  My last 
    	6-month bonus was 9% of my annual salary.  (Of course, bonuses are  
    	a function of profitability, which has been a blessing for Oracle 
    	the past few years.) 
     
    	So much about this company reminds me of DEC 8 years ago.  Oracle 
    	has the Midas touch right now.  The one thing they don't have is 
    	a fantastic internal conferencing tool like NOTES at DEC.  And  
    	newsgroups are a far cry from NOTES in my opinion.  In spite of 
    	that, I'm having fun here.  
     
     
    ===============================================================================
    
    Joe Oppelt        | Phone: (719) 577-6013        | Oracle Corporation 
    Customer Support  |   Fax: (719) 577-8037        | 90 S. Cascade, Suite600 
    Tools group       | email: joppelt@us.oracle.com | Colorado Springs, CO
    80903 
    

	I'm going to hate to admit this.... I envy him! :-)

    I freely admit it.
    
    

    
    Free bagels sound pretty good.

    I'll bet they taste better than they sound.
    
    

I, for one, would much rather hear than taste a bagel...

    Being treated with respect sounds pretty good. 
    
    Not being lied to sounds pretty good.
    
    Fat bonuses sound terrific.

If you want fat bonuses, you should prefer free donuts to free bagels.

    
    
    	ditto to the last few.......  
    

    Reminds me of Pioneer-Standard Electronics.  Free coffee, free
    breakfast most days, free lunches at least twice a month.  Free trip to
    Shreveport, free parties, lots of t-shirts and promo items all the
    time.  I kinda miss the "family" atmosphere.

    Way cool for Joe...

    
    Andy Krawiecki says hello...to some of you 8^).
    
    

	Am I one he said hello to???? :-)

From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"jfc@interlog.com" "John Collins" 20-AUG-1996 12:43:33.76
To:	subpac::sadin
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Subj:	 

Jim,

!joan here!  How are you?  Keeping busy, I hope, lest you find yourself in
"transition".   :^)

I won't be down for a visit anytime soon; I'm boycotting the US due to the
Helms/Burton bill.   ;^)

I know you've been anxious to get your hands on the latest Canadian crime
stats (HAR!), so please enjoy the following.

Later!

jc



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96 07 30 08 30
Tuesday, July 30, 1996 For release at 8:30 a.m.

MAJOR RELEASES
     Crime statistics,
     Homicide in Canada,

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Crime statistics
1995

Canada's crime rate --- an indicator of public safety --- fell 1% in 1995, its
fourth straight annual drop, following 30 years of almost constant increase.
   Many individuals involved in policing have attributed the recent decline in
the crime rate to community-based policing initiatives implemented in most major
police agencies.

Violent crime down for third straight year

   The violent crime rate fell by 4% in 1995, the largest annual decline since
the survey began in 1962. This is the third straight annual decrease following
15 consecutive years of increase. The 1995 violent crime rate was still 36%
higher than it was a decade earlier.
   Most categories of violent crime dropped in 1995. The rate of minor assaults,
which accounted for 6 in 10 of the almost 300,000 violent crimes, declined by
3%. Over the last two years, sexual assaults have dropped 21%, a trend that was
evident in all provinces.
   The homicide rate dropped for the fourth straight year (-3%), reaching its
lowest level since 1969. Robbery was the only violent crime category to show an
increase, up 3%.
   There was a general decline in incidents involving the use of firearms in
1995. The number of homicides committed with a firearm decreased by 10% ---
robberies with a firearm dropped by 9% --- and offensive weapons offences, which
mainly involve firearms, dropped by 7%.

Residential break-ins rose slightly

   After dropping for three years in a row, the property crime rate stabilized
in 1995, partly due to a slight increase in residential break-ins (+3%).
Break-ins at businesses fell 3%. Break-ins accounted for about a quarter of the
1.6 million property crime incidents in 1995, and thefts, about half.
   Motor vehicle thefts remained stable for the second consecutive year, after
a large increase between 1988 and 1993. Police reported over 160,000 stolen
vehicles in 1995, about 450 every day. Almost half of all individuals charged
with motor vehicle thefts were youths aged 12 to 17.

     Note to readers

        This release focuses on crime data reported by police agencies
     across the country. The "crime rate" refers to actual Criminal Code
     incidents, excluding traffic offences, per 100,000 population.
        Concerns have been raised about the comparability of crime rates
     among police agencies which may differ in the mix of urban/suburban
     populations and boundaries. In response, this year's report uses the
     census metropolitan area (CMA) as the standard geographical unit.

Youth charge rate stable

   Overall, the rate for youths aged 12 to 17 charged with crime remained stable
in 1995 following three straight years of decline.
   However, the rate of youths charged with violent crimes rose 2%. With the
exception of 1994, the rate of youths charged with violent crimes has been
rising steadily since 1986. The rate of youths charged with property offences
dropped for the fourth straight year.
   Youths tend to be charged with proportionately fewer violent offences
compared to adults. Of all youths charged in 1995, 19% were charged with violent
crimes, compared with 29% of adults charged.
   Youths were most commonly charged with motor vehicle theft (45% of all
persons charged), arson (44%), break-ins (40%) and robbery (35%).

Crime rate fell in most major metropolitan areas

   The overall crime rate fell in five provinces --- British Columbia, Alberta,
Manitoba, Newfoundland and Nova Scotia --- in 1995, with the largest drop
occurring in Manitoba (-6%). It remained stable in Ontario, Quebec and New
Brunswick, and rose in Saskatchewan (+5%) and Prince Edward Island (+2%).
   Six of the nine largest census metropolitan areas (CMAs) reported a drop in
their overall crime rate in 1995, with the largest decline (-9%) occurring in
Winnipeg. The crime rate remained stable in Ottawa and Vancouver, while Quebec
reported a small increase (+2%).
   Vancouver reported the highest crime rate, followed by Ottawa and Winnipeg.
This was mainly due to significantly higher property crime rates. Quebec
reported the lowest crime rate, followed by Toronto and Montreal.
   In terms of violent crimes, Quebec reported the lowest rates for homicide,
assault and sexual assault, while Hamilton was lowest for robbery. Vancouver was
highest for homicide, Winnipeg for robbery, Hamilton for assault and Edmonton
for sexual assault.
   For property crimes, Vancouver had the highest rate of break-ins, Toronto,
the lowest. Winnipeg reported the highest rate of motor vehicle theft, Quebec,
the lowest.

Impaired driving charges continued to decline

   Certain types of crime, including prostitution, impaired driving and drug
offences, are highly sensitive to levels of police enforcement.
   The number of persons charged with impaired driving offences continued to
drop in 1995, down 8%. This was the 12th straight annual decrease.
   The rate of prostitution increased notably (+27%) in 1995. This increase,
however, followed a 49% decrease between 1991 and 1994.
   The rate of drug incidents increased slightly in 1995, largely due to a 7%
increase in cannabis incidents.

Available on CANSIM: matrix 2198-2200 and tables 140103 and 150202.

   Juristat: crime statistics, 1995, vol. 16, no. 10, (85-002-XPE, $10/$90) is
now available. See How to order publications.
   For further information on this release, contact Information and Client
Services (613-951-9023; 1-800-387-2231), Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics.

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Table: Police-reported incidents, by most serious offence
______________________________________________________________________________
                                        1995                  1994 to 1995
______________________________________________________________________________

                                  number             rate(1)   % change in
                                                                      rate

Violent crime                    294,704              995             -4.1
Homicide                             586                2             -2.9
Attempted murder                     932                3             -0.1
Assaults                         230,167              777             -3.9
Sexual assaults                   28,216               95            -12.1
Other sexual offences              3,490               12             -9.7
Robbery                           30,273              102              3.1
Abduction                          1,040                4             -9.0

Property crime                 1,550,492            5,237              0.5
Break and enter                  390,726            1,320             -0.5
Motor vehicle theft              163,293              552              1.2
Other thefts                     861,293            2,909              0.8
Having stolen goods               31,128              105              2.1
Fraud                            104,052              351             -0.4

Other Criminal Code
  crimes                         805,862            2,722             -2.7
Mischief                         379,878            1,283             -5.4
Prostitution                       7,165               24             27.0
Arson                             13,228               45             -3.3
Offensive weapons                 17,502               59             -8.5
Other                            388,089            1,311              0.1

Total Criminal Code
  crimes, excluding
  traffic crimes               2,651,058            8,954             -1.0

Impaired driving                 101,074              341             -7.3
Other Criminal Code
  traffic crimes                  71,363              241            -10.4
Drugs                             61,660              208              1.3
Other federal statutes            36,033              122            -12.2

Total federal statutes         2,921,188            9,867             -1.6

______________________________________________________________________________


                             Youths aged
                                   12-17
______________________________________________________________________________

                              % of total
                                 persons
                                 charged

Violent crime                         16
Homicide                              13
Attempted murder                      11
Assaults                              15
Sexual assaults                       15
Other sexual offences                 16
Robbery                               35
Abduction                              5

Property crime                        30
Break and enter                       40
Motor vehicle theft                   45
Other thefts                          31
Having stolen goods                   28
Fraud                                  7

Other Criminal Code
  crimes                              19
Mischief                              32
Prostitution                           3
Arson                                 44
Offensive weapons                     21
Other                                 16

Total Criminal Code
  crimes, excluding
  traffic crimes                      23

Impaired driving                     ...
Other Criminal Code
  traffic crimes                     ...
Drugs                                 12
Other federal statutes                28

Total federal statutes               ...

______________________________________________________________________________


(1)  Rates are calculated based on 100,000 population.
(...)  Figures not applicable.


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Table: Crime rates for CMAs(1)
______________________________________________________________________________
                                   Violent crime                  Property
                                                                     crime
                           ______________________________    _____________
                                    1995        1994-1995             1995
______________________________________________________________________________

                                    rate         % change             rate

Population 500,000 and
  over
Vancouver                          1,300             -1.5           10,073
Ottawa                             1,000             -1.8            7,039
Winnipeg                           1,198             -7.1            6,668
Edmonton                             921             -4.2            5,291
Hamilton                           1,141              2.6            5,072
Calgary                              741            -11.0            5,397
Montreal                             867             -9.7            5,158
Toronto                              909             -5.5            4,499
Quebec                               579             -3.8            4,120

Population 250,000 to
  499,999 (2)
Victoria                           1,355             -5.6            7,372
London                               962             -7.6            6,673
Halifax                            1,156             -6.1            5,499
Windsor                              862             -7.4            4,903
St. Catharines--Niagara              656             -8.0            5,277
Hull                                 689             -5.1            4,614
Kitchener                            613            -18.1            4,679

Population 100,000 to
  249,999
Regina                             1,148              8.9            9,650
Thunder Bay                        1,818             -6.5            6,649
Saskatoon                          1,236             11.2            6,501
Sudbury                            1,133              2.3            5,383
Saint John                           831             -9.7            3,618
St. John's                         1,327              2.2            3,489
Sherbrooke                           409            -10.1            4,381
Trois-Rivieres                       515             -0.5            4,122
Chicoutimi--Jonquiere                630             -6.4            3,960

______________________________________________________________________________


                                Property      Total Criminal Code crimes
                                   crime
                           _____________    ______________________________
                               1994-1995             1995        1994-1995
______________________________________________________________________________

                                % change             rate         % change

Population 500,000 and
  over
Vancouver                            6.2           14,516             -0.7
Ottawa                               3.3           11,008              0.2
Winnipeg                            -9.7           10,543             -8.7
Edmonton                            -5.4            8,573             -5.1
Hamilton                            -0.1            8,544             -1.0
Calgary                             -7.6            7,889             -7.2
Montreal                            -3.2            7,776             -3.9
Toronto                              0.1            7,452             -2.5
Quebec                               1.9            6,082              2.2

Population 250,000 to
  499,999 (2)
Victoria                            -2.4           12,683             -1.6
London                               8.0           10,719              1.4
Halifax                             -4.6            9,198             -8.1
Windsor                              3.5            8,550              0.5
St. Catharines--Niagara              2.3            8,340             -1.6
Hull                                 9.8            7,900              4.9
Kitchener                            8.9            7,165              0.8

Population 100,000 to
  249,999
Regina                               8.6           14,601             11.2
Thunder Bay                         -6.8           12,633             -7.2
Saskatoon                            9.5           10,996              7.7
Sudbury                            -12.0            9,022             -8.3
Saint John                          -5.7            6,822             -2.7
St. John's                          -6.8            6,471             -3.7
Sherbrooke                          -7.7            6,412             -5.7
Trois-Rivieres                      -4.6            6,374             -4.9
Chicoutimi--Jonquiere                9.2            5,974              8.0

______________________________________________________________________________


(1)  Rates are calculated per 100,000 population.
(2)  The Oshawa CMA is excluded from this table due to methodological
     concerns with the matching of the police agency jurisdictional
     boundaries and the CMA boundaries.


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Homicide in Canada
1995

Canada's homicide rate fell for the fourth straight year in 1995, reaching its
lowest point since 1969. Police reported 586 homicides in 1995, 10 fewer than
the previous year.
   The 1995 rate of 1.98 homicides per 100,000 people was 3% lower than in 1994,
well below the 1975 peak of 3.02. The homicide rate more than doubled between
1961 and 1975. Since then, despite annual fluctuations, the rate has been
gradually decreasing.
   Compared with the United States, Canada's homicide rate is relatively low.
The U.S. rate, according to preliminary 1995 data, was more than four times that
of Canada's. However, Canada's homicide rate is generally higher than many
European nations. The rate for England and Wales, for example, was 30% lower
than Canada's.

Homicide rate declining in most provinces

   Most provinces reported a decrease in their homicide rate in 1995; only three
reported minor increases: Quebec, British Columbia and Newfoundland. The
increase in Quebec followed a 26-year low reached in 1994, and was well below
the province's average rate over the last decade. Rates in both British Columbia
and Newfoundland were close to their 10-year average.
   In general, homicide rates in the provinces continued to be highest in the
West. For the fourth straight year, British Columbia recorded the highest rate,
followed by Manitoba and Alberta. The homicide rates in both Manitoba and
Saskatchewan were the lowest in nearly 30 years. Prince Edward Island, with one
homicide, recorded the lowest rate, followed by Newfoundland and Ontario.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Table: Homicides by province/territory
1994 and 1995
______________________________________________________________________________
                                        1994                          1995
______________________________________________________________________________

                                  number         rate per(r)        number
                                                  100,000
                                               population

Canada                               596             2.04              586
Newfoundland                           4             0.69                5
Prince Edward Island                   1             0.74                1
Nova Scotia                           19             2.03               16
New Brunswick                         15             1.98               14
Quebec                               126             1.73              135
Ontario                              192             1.76              181
Manitoba                              29             2.57               27
Saskatchewan                          24             2.37               21
Alberta                               66             2.43               59
British Columbia                     113             3.08              120
Yukon                                  3            10.10                4
Northwest Territories                  4             6.18                3

______________________________________________________________________________


                                    1995
______________________________________________________________________________

                                rate per
                                 100,000
                              population

Canada                              1.98
Newfoundland                        0.87
Prince Edward Island                0.73
Nova Scotia                         1.71
New Brunswick                       1.84
Quebec                              1.84
Ontario                             1.63
Manitoba                            2.37
Saskatchewan                        2.07
Alberta                             2.15
British Columbia                    3.19
Yukon                              13.29
Northwest Territories               4.56

______________________________________________________________________________


(r)  Revised figures.


   The nine largest census metropolitan areas (CMAs) accounted for 48% of
Canada's population, but 54% of homicides. Among these nine, Vancouver reported
the highest rate, followed by Ottawa and Hamilton. Ottawa recorded its highest
rate since CMA data were first produced in 1981, and Hamilton's rate was its
highest since 1983.
   Quebec, with four homicides, reported the lowest rate for the second
consecutive year, followed by Toronto and Calgary. Both Quebec and Edmonton
experienced their lowest homicide rates since 1981.

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Table: Homicides by CMA
1994 and 1995
______________________________________________________________________________
CMA, 500,000+                           1994                          1995
population
______________________________________________________________________________

                                  number         rate per(r)        number
                                                  100,000
                                               population

Toronto                               85             2.00               74
Montreal                              75             2.27               77
Vancouver                             48             2.70               64
Ottawa-Hull                           17             1.68               28
  Ontario                             12             1.58               24
  Quebec                               5             2.01                4
Edmonton                              24             2.72               19
Calgary                               18             2.22               17
Quebec                                11             1.60                4
Winnipeg                              18             2.67               16
Hamilton                              13             2.04               17
Total                                309             2.20              316

______________________________________________________________________________


CMA, 500,000+                       1995
population
______________________________________________________________________________

                                rate per
                                 100,000
                              population

Toronto                             1.71
Montreal                            2.31
Vancouver                           3.50
Ottawa-Hull                         2.73
  Ontario                           3.10
  Quebec                            1.59
Edmonton                            2.15
Calgary                             2.05
Quebec                              0.58
Winnipeg                            2.37
Hamilton                            2.65
Total                               2.22

______________________________________________________________________________


(r)  Revised figures.


Youth-accused homicide rate stable

   While the homicide rate for adults has been decreasing over the past decade,
the rate for youths aged 12 to 17 has remained relatively stable. From 1985 to
1994, the youth rate fluctuated between 1.5 and 2.5 homicides per 100,000
youths. While the 1995 rate of 2.7 was higher than average, because of the small
numbers, it is difficult to determine whether this represents the start of a new
trend or if it is simply normal year-to-year fluctuation.
   Police reported 65 youths charged with homicide in 1995, 8 more than in the
previous year and the second straight increase. It was the highest number of
youths charged in a single year since 1975.

Shootings account for one-third of all homicides

   In 1995, 176 homicides were committed with a firearm, 20 fewer than in 1994,
and the lowest total since 1988. However, homicides account for a relatively
small portion of firearm deaths. The latest figures available (1994) show that
over three-quarters of all firearm deaths were suicides, with homicide
accounting for a further 16%.
   Firearms continue to be used in about one in every three homicides. In 1995,
slightly more victims were killed by stabbing (31%) than by shooting (30%). Over
the past decade, the use of handguns has increased, from 7% to 16% of all
homicides, while the use of rifles/shotguns has decreased, from 20% to 10% of
all homicides.

Women six times more likely to be killed by a spouse than by a stranger

   Homicides are more likely to be committed by someone known to the victim than
by a stranger. Where an accused was identified, almost half (47%) of victims
were killed by an acquaintance, slightly more than a third (36%) by a spouse or
other family member, and 16% by a stranger (2% unknown). These proportions have
remained relatively constant over the past 10 years.
   Spousal homicides continue to account for one out of every six solved
homicides. In 1995, 90 persons were killed by either a current or former spouse
--- 69 women and 21 men --- up slightly from 85 the previous year. From 1985
through 1994, an average of 110 persons were killed by a spouse each year, with
women representing three-quarters of these victims.
   In 1995, women were six times more likely to be killed by a spouse than by
a stranger. Of those women who were in a registered marriage and who were killed
by their spouse, almost one in four were separated at the time of the incident.
Various studies have shown that wives are particularly at risk during the first
two months after separation.

Males account for two-thirds of victims and 9 in 10 accused

   Males have consistently comprised the majority of homicide victims as well
as the majority of those accused of committing homicide. In 1995, 67% of
homicide victims were male, as were 87% of accused.
   Violence against children is a source of major concern to Canadians. In
total, 52 children under the age of 12 were killed in 1995, compared with an
average of 56 each year since 1985. Of the 52 children killed in 1995, 8 were
infants. This was a large drop from the average of 20 infants killed each year
over the previous decade.

Available on CANSIM: matrices 314-317 and 319 and tables 160401-160405.

   Juristat: homicide in Canada, 1995, vol. 16, no. 11, (85-002-XPE, $10/$90)
is now available. See How to order publications.
   For further information on this release, contact Information and Client
Services (613-951-9023; 1-800-387-2231), Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics.
 




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	Was talking with Brian Markey through email. The guy is doing well. His
house is near completion. His recording studio is coming along as well. Then
there is that major label he signed onto who loves his music. The weird part
about that is it is.....




A COUNTRY LABEL!!!!!  He was telling me how much he used to rag on country
music, so it is amazing to see him sign with one. :-) He got a nice signing
bonus.

His business is doing quite well. 

Did I mention that his wife is expecting again? And yes, it is his! :-)  

All and all he is doing well. He said he would love to go to a boxbash
sometime. Maybe we should have a former box members party and get as many of
them to it as possible????? What do ya think?


Glen

Brian Markey doing C&W?

Things have really changed since I've been gone...

    
    <--- one does get more conservative as one ages.

    Don't country performers pop a rivet when people use the term Country &
    Western?
    
    Of course now there's Young Country which probably bothers them too.

I get more liberal as I age.

Then again, getting more conservative, moving to C&W, and getting more
clueless all seem to travel together as a wicked troika.