Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Cool topic.
    
    First of all, there are all kinds of things to write songs about. A lot
    of songs are writen about love, hate, war, death and so on. How many
    songs can be written about the same topic, but have the best effect on
    the target audience where they are being played?  There's quite a few 
    combinations of words that can be put together, but how many are truly 
    crowd pleasers? I think that some bands have done themselves a bit of
    justice by diggin' up an old tune and remaking it. eg. VH's "You really
    got me." The Kinks did that tune too. Not in Heavy Metal, but they did
    it more as Rock.... The people the Kinks play for are Rock-Heads the
    people Van Halen (old VH) played for were Metal-Heads. Some it comes
    down to what pleases the crowd. 
    
    john

    
    	With the exception of "Groovy Kind of Love" by Phil Collins
    (*ack*) most covers are done of songs that are regarded as 
    "classics", that have timeless (well the last 30 years, or so)
    appeal.
    	Mony Mony - Billy Idol
    	Johnny B. Goode - tons of bands cover this
    	Summertime Blues - ditto
    	
    gawd, there are tons of 'em, and they're all songs that you'd
    crank up if they hit the radio, original artist or not.
    
    /Motorbreath... they're covered cuz they were great then and
    there's a fresh new audience out there that hasn't heard them,
    they're re-released, and they're still great!          
    

    To a degree I think it's smart business too.  If you like Rocky
    I-XXI, you'll probably like Rocky XXII too.  These bands may have
    done these songs back when they were "paying their dues" doing the
    club circuits too.  Imagine ...
    
    Exodus doing "Cry Me A River" or,
    Slayer doing "When The Saint Go Marching In", or maybe,
    Poison doing "You're Mama Don't Dance"
    
    Guess that would be pretty silly wouldn't it ? 
    
    
    				Scary
    

    Yeah, it's like good marketing when you do an original version of
    an old fave.  The marketing of the song is already complete; every
    body will recognize it !  Maybe even like the way you do it !
    
    I really enjoy doing stuff like that.  I've been wanted to cover
    a tune called "Tell Her I'm Ill" by The Freshies (a relatively unknown
    British punk/new_wave band).  It has all the makings for a classic,
    except that no one has ever heard of it !
    
    How about doing tunes that no ones ever heard of ?
    
    jc

    I would like to see a band cover "Somewhere Over the Rainbow", that
    would be killer in HM. Hey, someone go tell Vixen!!!

                               
    
    capt Dublin who fell like death on two wheels
    
    

    Somewhere...has been coivered by Ricthie Blackmore's Raionbow and
    Chris Impellitterri on his STand in Line lp
    
    BUck

    
         RE: Somewhere ...
    
             Yes, it has been covered by both bands (and both vers-
             ions are pretty good) - but they are instrumentals.
    
             I think a lyrical/musical cover might work ... Pete?
    
                                                       GTI
    

    The reason behind covering a song of the fifties (IMO) is because
    Heavy_Metal gets it's roots deep down into the basis of Rock and
    Roll.  I see almost a trend.  When Metal was first being recognized
    with Zep. and Sabbath, it was a very Blues type sound.  From there
    it progressed just as Rock progressed from the blues.  I see the
    covering of these songs as an attempt to honor their roots.  The
    best form of flattery is imitation.
    
    The Rebel

    Good point ... good point indeed !
    
    				Scary

    
    One thing I don't like is that it seems a lot of heavy metal bands
    are covering songs, but adding no value.
    
    I mean, I always thought that a cover you're going to bother to
    *record* should add something to the original - a new style, a new
    interpretation, something.

    I think a lot of HM bands think that taking a song and just making
    it louder constitutes adding something - "Your Mama Don't Dance",
    "Smokin' in the Boys Room," "Money, Money, Money" (real title?),
    etc.  Then you have bands that totally do the song the same exact
    way as the original - "Once Bitten, Twice Shy." 
    
    Whether you liked it or not, VH's "Dancing In the Streets" *was*
    different, it wasn't just louder.  So was Deep Purple's "Kentucky
    Woman."  And Quiet Riot's "Cum on Feel the Noize" - heck, QR didn't
    even know the right lyrics (course they should have stopped after
    1 Slade tune)!
    
    I'm probably in the minority here, but I can usually do without
    a cover on my album purchase if it's just "cranked-up" reiteration.
    
SEAN/BEER=LABATTS

    
    
    
    I agree with you, Mr. Labatts!  (sp)
    
    F.

    I agree with Sean, I can't see someone doing a cover without changing
    the original.  "Your Mama Don't Dance" by Poisen is a good example,
    or "The Real Me" cover by Wasp.  These don't do a thing for me.
    Why did they bother?
    
    gh

    I think that these bands do the "re-makes" just to make some money
    off of them.. because they were a hit "back then", and it's almost
    sure fire $$$$$.
    
    As far as smaller bands doing cover tunes, it's cool, they're not
    in it for the $$$, just to make the crowd they're playing for
    happy...
    
    CJ

    
    
    I think its a little heavier.. not much though..
    
    imo

    
        RE: Pete
    
            But there's a difference ... "The Sounds of Silence" was
            originally a slow song.  You're gonna 'step it up' a few
            decibels as well as 'speed it up'.
    
        RE: Covers
    
            Some covers are done by H_M bands just to show that the
            songs can be "metallized" and still sound good.  Of course,
            this isn't always the case.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    I'm not going to like a song just because it is a remake of a song
    I like.  For example, Freebird by Lynard Skynard is one of my all
    time favorites.  The p*p remake of it bites the big one.
    
    It depends on the song, sometimes beefed up songs are great and
    others aren't as good as the original (Judas Priest's "Johnny be
    good" is great but it is no way near Chuck's.)
    
    I think that remakes are great if done right and sh!tty if they
    aren't.  
    
    The Rebel
    

    Before I read the replies about $$$$, I thought that these bands
    might be doing the remakes because they actually like the song and
    it perhaps reminded them of a good time.
    
    Previous replies *woke me up* to the real world of recording though,
    where $$$$ talks.  After all, I bought Diver Down because of the
    2 remakes.
    
    Jim

    I imagine that some bands do covers because they like the songs, and I
    don't have a problem with bands that play covers live, but why bother
    recording it? 
    
    Example, I saw Living Colour play awhile back and they did a cover of a
    really cool song by the Bad Brains at the end of their set. I believe
    they did it because they liked the song, not because they lacked
    material or wanted a big crowd reaction (hey, not that many Bad Brains
    fans around, in a comparitive sense).  I liked that. 
    
    I don't like bands that put a cover on an album just to get some
    airplay.  Especially if they don't add any value to the song.  (and I
    do like some recorded covers...Devo did some excellent covers, like
    Satisfaction).
    
    I suppose that I don't really care for bands that do virtually anything
    just to make get rich.  That's the real bottom line.
     
    gh
                                                        

    
    
    	Well, I think doing remakes has to do with band preference
    	and also age of audience. I mean everybody likes to get as
    	many people possible at any given gig, and what better way
    	is there to attract people......Play the Almost-Golden-Rockin'-
    	Oldies of yesteryear. If you can get age groups from 12-24 with
    	a good mix of 25-45 yr. old at any gig (provided no age limits)
    	I'd say that's an accomplishment in it self. I also think bringing
    	back memories has something to do with it, ya' know ya' hear
    	a song redone now'n'days and you instantly have flashbacks of
    	the good ol' days and you think "Man, I wish I was there now"
    	
    	But I do feel strongly about redoing them with taste, some of
    	the remakes now'n'days would make Elvis turn over in his grave
    	if he was in there. ;') agaga 
    
    
    	All-in-all I like doing remakes of the 60's, 70's if there done
    	with respect to the original band and taste.
    
    	
    	Hollywood...............Distort Funksation the hell out of it!
    
     

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VICKI::SHIPPING "Hold my breath as I wish for death" 28 lines  27-JAN-1989 12:34
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    Well, the ones I4NI are working on are many.  
    
    Metallica		One
    			Fade to Black
    Black Sabbath	Paranoid
    Kiss		Detroit Rock City
    			Beth
    Heart		Never
    			Barricuda
    Hendrix		Purple Haze
    			Hey Joe
    Led Zep		Communication Breakdown
    			Rock n' Roll
    Van Halen		Pretty Woman
    			Runnin' with the Devil
    			Dreams
    
    Def Leppard, Bad Company, Jim Croce, The Beatles, quite a few more.
    Why?  The reasons you gave.  We like the songs.  We can DO the songs.
    People like the songs.  Its as simple as that.
    
    HITMAN

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25414::BUCKLEY "Mr. Big!"                            11 lines  27-JAN-1989 13:18
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    If I was to do covers, I'd approach it this way:
    
    I'd target a market which the band was to pursue (Metal, blues,
    country, reggae, pop chart, dance chart, black chart, etc), and then do
    the best and most popular songs off their repsective statistic list.
    Also, the band would be responsible for keeping up with changes on
    these lists. 
    
    To me, this would be most lucrative with the listening audience
    
    BUck

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CSC32::G_HOUSE "Move NOW or I'm using the tub"       43 lines  27-JAN-1989 17:58
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    If I were in a band that did only covers, I'd probably follow Bucks
    advice and target a market and play popular tunes from that genre.
    
    ...but since I'm not, here are a few songs I'd love to cover!
    
    21st Century Scizoid Man - King Crimson
    
    	I've always loved this!  I'd hack out a lot of the long jam
    	in the middle though.
    
    Elected/Eighteen/Cold Ethyl - Alice Cooper
    
    	Again...these were old time personal favs, I'll make no excuses.
    
    Heading Out to the Highway/Breaking the Law - Judas Priest
    
    	You gotta rock!      
    
    Red House - Jimi Hendrix
    
    	You gotta have some blues...
    
    Still Loving You - Scorpions
    
    	You gotta have a ballad...
    
    Lightning Strikes Again/It's Not Love - Dokken
    
    	You gotta have melody...
    
    Master of Puppets/And Justice for All - Metallica
    
    	You gotta have Metallica (what can I say?)...                   
    
    Helter Skelter - Beatles 
    
    	If it drove Charlie Manson over the edge, it's good enough for
    	me.
    
    That's enough for now, I don't wanna bore ya.
    
    gh

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MCIS2::AKINS "Workin' and practicn'"                  8 lines  27-JAN-1989 22:48
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    I would concentrate my covers to just one band,  that way we would
    become very close to the real sound and become well known for it
    so we could ride the coattails of successfull band.
    
    I would pick Old Van Halen,   they were the best party band ever!
    
    The Sentinel

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26922::BOURQUE "If you listen to Fools,The Mob Rulz!" 8 lines  28-JAN-1989 06:36
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    Doing only covers....well Believe it or not, I would love to do
    
    an all Black Sabbath Cover band.
    
    Jim..Who Loves Sabbath,But Know the band wouldn't get No where,,But
         its a nice thought

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ASAHI::COOPER "Life is a lip-diddle"                  7 lines  28-JAN-1989 09:16
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    RE: .6
    
    Interesting thought...To me, I'd wanna be a Queensr}che cover 
    band...  Do Warning for the first set, Rage For Order in the second,
    and Operation:Mindcrime for the final.  People would go zonkers...
    
    jc

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ANT::SLABOUNTY "VW GTI 16V - Dust thy neighbor!!"    19 lines  28-JAN-1989 16:09
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        RE: last couple
    
            The problem with 'specializing' in a particular band is
            that u limit your audience to fans of that band.  And we
            all know that a 'limited audience' isn't the best way to
            make money.
    
            The best way to do it is to cover as many different styles
            of music as possible (and Chain Reaction is a VERY good
            example of this).
    
            It also says something about the band - people will be im-
            pressed to hear that a band is able to 'cover' 8^) as many
            facets of the musical gamut as possible.  (What do those
            words mean?)
    
                                                       GTI

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VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE                                     6 lines  28-JAN-1989 18:51
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    the whole idea of doing a cover of a band makes me toenails itch...
    but, if it was me, and I guess I am, cover me Van Halen.
    But even as I write I want to rebel against it, cuz methinks it can
    be done better.
    
    -Captain "aint talkin bout luv" Toenail 

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CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ "Could this turn tragic?"           1 line  30-JAN-1989 09:30
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    Old Van Halen, no questions asked.

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MARKER::BUCKLEY "Mr. Big!"                           15 lines  30-JAN-1989 09:44
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    I agree with GTI in .9 -- I mean, there is already a Van Halen, or a
    Queensryche....why would anyone in their right mind wanna go see some
    band *trying* to be another band when they can stay home and listen to
    the real thing..or go see them in concert?  I think a `tribute' band is
    a bad idea.  How lucrative would your market be after a while?  (I
    mean, how many times can one go see an Aerosmith clone band, or a VH
    clone band?)  Where would you progress with a band like this?  Also,
    say your favorite band was Winger. The real Winger is having enough
    trouble trying to make it, how could a clone band ever possibly do
    well? 
    
    Dumb idea all around me thinks.
    
    Buck
 

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RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE "Don't worry, be >>HEAVY<<"       26 lines  31-JAN-1989 03:40
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    I believe the issue of doing covers in a band has been beat to death
    in another note so let's give it a &*(^%^# break in this one, OK?
    So back to the topic (can you imagine ...), which is "which covers
    would you do in a band ?"  Here's Scary's list ...

    		in no particular order ....
    
    Live Wire - Motley Crue
    Medusa, Madhouse, Anti-Social - Anthrax
    Panama, Runnin' With The Devil - VanHalen
    Johnny B. Goode, Parental Guidance, Breakin' The Law - Judas Preist
    Bad Boys Runnin' Wild - Scorpions
    Welcome To The Jungle, Mr. Brownstone - Gun's And Roses
    Contagious - Y & T
    Peace Of Mind - Boston
    Suite Madame Blue - Styx
    Creeping Death, And Justice For All - Metallica
    Evil Eyes, Don't Talk To Strangers - Dio
    Believer, Lightning Strikes - Ozzy Osbourne
    All Over Now - Great White
    Into The Night - Racer X
    
    The Witness, Evil Angel - Scary
                            
    			Scary (who's waiting to get in THIS band)

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BTO::PORTERC "That is what a said before,A Falsehoo" 23 lines  31-JAN-1989 10:46
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    		let it go....loudness
    		defenders of the faith, screaming for vengeance....priest
    		night prowler,if you want blood, whole lotta roie...acdc
    		too much thinking....triumph
    		seek and destroy...metallica
    		dancing days,communication breakdown,in the evening...Zep.
    		warning,the lady wore black...queensryche
    		pigs,money,shine on you crazy diamond,learning to fly..P.F.
    		cross town traffic,purple haze.....hendrix
    		into the fire,dream warriors..dokken
    		mr. crowley,over the mountains..ozzy
    		children of the grave,s.bloody sabbath,sweet leaf...sabbath
    		murders in the rue morge,sun and steel,strangers in
    		a strange land, revelations.....iron maiden
    		caught in a mosh....anthrax
    		when the children cry...white lion
    		high and dry, hysteria, love bites....def leppard
    		
    					thats enough,
    					JAM

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KBOMFG::SCHLOSSBAUER                                  8 lines   1-FEB-1989 01:05
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    Paranoid - Black Sabbath
    Anarchy in the UK; God save the Queen - Sex Pistols
    We're not gonna take it - Twisted Sister
    Cold hearted man - AC/DC
    Cry for Freedom - Helloween
    Coming Home - Cinderella
    Satisfaction - Stones

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BTO::BAGDY_M "So hard to find it, Sentimental Hygie" 14 lines   1-FEB-1989 06:21
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    Sentimental Hygiene         - Warren Zevon
    What if I Had Been the One  - .38 Special
    Two Wrongs Can Make A Right - Joe Cocker
    Can't Keep Runnin'          - The Greg Allman Band
    One Night                   - Bad Company
    Little Liar                 - Joan Jett
    Anything by Judas Priest
    Anything by Pink Floyd
    
    Probably alot more than this, but I just can't think of `em all.
    :^)
    
    METALord"

    Hmmm...
    
    Just reading through this brought back some memories.  My reply in .37
    was interesting.  Now that I'm in a band doing covers I find that I
    didn't follow any of my advice.  Of course, a lot of it's just not
    compatible with the type band I play in.  (For anyone that cares, I
    play in a new-wave/alternative type band.  What we play is actually a
    very odd eclectic mix of songs.  Before anyone starts on me, I don't
    feel I need to apologize for not playing in a metal band and I don't
    really want to hear about it, ok?)  Oh well...
    
    We aren't even following the current popular songs for the genre we
    play (probably a bad move) like I said I'd probably do in that old
    note. 
    
    D*mn...
    
    gh
          

    
    	I heard a dance cover of Dokken's "In My Dreams".
    
    	Different, to say the least.
    
    							GTI
    

    I heard that and I almost PUKED all over myself!!!
    
            Nothing is sacred anymore!!!
    
        And we think Metal is getting repettative....Think if you like
     all this dance mixs stuff....ALL OF IT IS THE SAME!!
     
               Frizkid
    

    
    Metallica covered Sweet Savage's KILLING TIME. It is terribly
    Fudgin Awesome.
    
    Hetfields guitars and voice are incredible even though it is only
    roughly produced.
    
    Chris

    Clint Black's version of `Killing Time' is pretty good too, not very
    thrashy as one might expect.
    
    Scary (full o' feces today)

    
    
    	Shawn,
    
    	Is it sung by a female and the first line is "In my dreams
    	it's still the same" ??
    
    	If so, I like the tune though I can't compare it to Dokken
    	cuz I never heard that one.
    
    	JJ
    

    
    
    thats the one.  i like it :').  she didn't change a word either.
    
    

    
    	It's the most requested song on the Nashua AND Portsmouth
    	radio stations.....I never would have guessed it was a 
    	Dokken cover....
    

    
    	Then that's a good reason not to listen to those stations.
    
    	Rob, I'm ashamed of you.
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI

    
    Two old songs I'd like to cover are "Sound of SIlence" by S&G, and
    "Shades of Grey" by the Monkees. Wicked metalized of course.

    
    
    	Metalize Sounds of Silence???  Ewwwwwwwwwww.... methinks
    	that would be blasphemy!
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    
    I think it would be wicked cool if someone did a massive heavy remake
    of "Tears of a Clown"...

    
    re: .61
    
    Not the way I arrange it!

    
    I'd love to see a 'metalized' version of that old song...
    
    
    BEE, EYE, EN, GEO
    
    i like it would truly rock
    
    
    Chris

    
    	RE: "Tears of a Clown"
    
    	Eesh ... can't picture it without throwing up.  8^)
    
    	RE: "B-I-N-G-O"
    
    	Sounds like a job for SOD!!
    
    							GTI

     re: .62...it's been done (by yours truly)five years back in the
    last rendition of HEYWIRE. Guitar bass and drums really crunchy 
    and raw...you'd have LUVED the cover of "Stay with me"!
    -Bilbo the Magnificent

    I think HardBald should do a cover of Y.M.C.A.!

    
    The villiage people!!
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa  Hardbald should be made to wear the same outfits as
    the originals when thye perform it live.
    
    
    
    Chris

    I dunno, if they really wanted to be nostalgic they should do something
    from "Hair".

    
    	An acoustic version of "Signs", perhaps?  Pretty original.
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI

    
    pete, believe it or not...
    
    there is an AWESOME metal version of sounds of silence already.  i dont
    recall who does it though.  ive heard it on wers or jul a couple of
    times, but not recently.  also, also, when i was with formicide, we
    actually DID do shades of gray!!!  (was kevin's idea, not mine...  :')
    we ended up dropping it after deciding it was too looney)
    

    
    Great minds think alike. 8-)

    Getting back to the "In My Dreams" cover. Was it done by some group
    called "The Party"? I was making dinner fer my kid and she was watching
    the Disney channel and the vid for it came on. I did a double take and
    made her watch "Growing Pains."

    I heard/saw that and aacked!

    Dude, I saw it on the Disney Channel, them kids wuz former Mickey Mouse
    Club members. 

    
    
    	Yes, the group is called The Party
    

     re-last few
    
      I think they should die for murdering an awesome song!
    
                 Frizkid
    

    Yeah, I saw that on the Disney channel too!  Thought I was gonna hurl,
    it was awful!!!
    
    gh 

    The Party - JJ's new LGTB(tm) death squad?

    
    You HMers spend too much time watching the Disney Channel 8^)
    
    You guys watch Mousercise in the morn. 8)
    
    Chris

    I don't actually watch it but my 6 yr old daughter loves the stuff.

LAME cover bands ??

LAME ?!?!?!?!?

Shame on you, of Frizzie headed one...
:)

jc (guitarist/poseur in 'lame' cover band :)

    THANKS BUCK!!!!!! The review will be taken into consideration.
    
     Yes...LAME COVER BANDS!!!! Coop....You KNOW where I'm comin' from!
    
             Frizkid
    

>     Yes...LAME COVER BANDS!!!! Coop....You KNOW where I'm comin' from!

No, not really...  Try me..  :)

jc

    I hate cover bands.........
    
                   frizkid
    

    Jealous.... Jealous again....
    
    tsk. tsk...

    Coop!!!!!  Name ONE fackin' lame COVER band in this town with 'killer'
    original songs!!!!!!!!  
    
     Good money?  That's what I LOATHE about cover bands....THEY'RE
    **ONLY** IN for the money. Why don't they all step aside and let the 
    REAL bands take over.  SELL-OUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
              Frizkid
    

>    Coop!!!!!  Name ONE fackin' lame COVER band in this town with 'killer'
>    original songs!!!!!!!!  

Kidd Wikkid, Eclypse, Stomp - to name a few.    Even us, maybe eh ?
    
>     Good money?  That's what I LOATHE about cover bands....THEY'RE
>    **ONLY** IN for the money. 

Well, not really (again, IMHO)...  I don't make a dime - everything I make 
goes back into it...  Gear, and more gear.  :)  The nice thing is I come
close to breaking even.  I also live to play live.  Something I get to do 
quite often, and that makes me happy.

>Why don't they all step aside and let the REAL bands take over.  
>SELL-OUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yuck, nuck, nuck, nuck...  Real bands Friz ?  Dood - you're showin' your ass.
How long do you think the money paying public in Colorado Springs would 
continue to frequent establishments who provide 2 hours of music and four 
hours of set up time ?  Thats about what it takes, as most 'originals_bands' 
only have about 45 minutes of music.  Think about this also - how many bands 
are on MTV, that have never played the circuit ?

Don't get me wrong 'O-Frizzy-headed-one, I respect what you and other original
acts do.  I just think that perhaps you could appreciate what we do also.
Just because we 4-5 sets a night, 3-4 nights a week, and strategically place
our originals in our set doesn't make us 'lame', 'sell outs', or 'not real 
musicians'.  Just the opposite in fact.  It's marketing man - if you write 
good tunes and no one gets to hear them, then whats the use ??

jc

    Something that used to always irk me.  My old metal band used to do
    about 90% covers, 10% originals.  We stayed booked as long as we wanted
    to work.  There were a number of "all original" bands around, and it
    seemed like everytime we played somewhere, most of their members were
    out hearing us ?  Why ?  Two reasons.  We were awesome !  OK, there was
    only one reason.  They weren't working anywhere !!!  Yeah, they had a
    killer demo, and were mega talented musicians, but on a *club* circuit,
    they weren't sellable.  Sorry, but that's how it is.  Playing live was my
    thrill too.  Was I selling out ?  No.  If you think it's a sell out to
    play covers then quit your job at DEC and start your own business, same
    principle.
    
    Jerry (the "cover king" and proud of it ...)

    Jesse: Well...I met the General Manager of the Marriott and let him
    listen to the demo and he really liked it. He offered us an all ages
    show on Sunday if we ever got it back together. Well...We waited a few
    months and got it back together. As soon as we had our 2nd practice he
    said LET'S DO IT and we said O.K....
       Foolish Pride is playing it with us-BTW.
    
     JC:I doubt you wanna hear what I have to say anyway.  
    
                  Frizkid
    

True enough - but you should note that you attract more bees with honey...

It's a small town, Friz...

jc

    Listen o.k.  
    
     I have VERY harsh feelings toward cover bands. It's not you or your
    band personally.  This town is geared towards 30 year old barflys and
    the buddy-buddy bar bands...To me that limits creativity and NO wonder
    no band has ever made it anywhere.  I think cover bands have their
    place...I mean everybody need background music while they drink a beer
    and try to pick up on fat women. 8)
    
     I'm sorry I came off rather harsh in the last notes. But when you know
    you have something good and it gets stiffled alot of times by bands
    that are only in it for the money...Wouldn't you get a little pissed
    off? Can you relate?
    
     It's a small town and the scene is lame but I think alot of people
    and CERTAIN bar owners only make it worse.  No offense to your
    band but kids don't always want to see a cover band of middle-aged guys
    doing Clapton covers.  Maybe I'm blowing it out of preportion but
    that what I heard from all the kids and people my age. (Same thing) 8)
       
    
           Frizkid
    

    
    Personaly, I wouldn't pay to see a cover band.  I think the only place
    in town where you could see a cover act is the Boozy Blues BAr
    (not to be confused with the infamous 3B's) with Pete Lincoln.  Other
    than that I've only ever caught original acts on the the club scene.
    
    No offence, but when I want to hear a mixture of songs, I'd go to a
    party, dance club or dust off my CD collection and listen to the
    original artist.
    
    Flip

    re: Flip
    
    Sounds like the club scene over there is much more interesting then
    around here.  The majority of the scene here is geared toward "classic
    rock" (meaning hits from 20 years ago that have been overplayed to
    death) cover bands.  
    
    It's even tough for a cover band that plays more current material (like
    Coop's) to get jobs.  Bands that play original material?  There's
    almost no opportunity for them.
    
    gh

    
    Why do you think all the obscure/alternative acts make it big in the UK
    years before you lot have even heard of them.
    
    eg. Nirvana
    

    IMO:
    
    There is a definate need for cover bands, there are different
    perspectives to live music, if you pay to go to a concert in a club,eg
    Bierkeller in Bristol, and see someone like Nirvana then you would
    expect them to play their own material. But when in a pub(eg Boozy
    Blues Bar) getting ratar$ed you dont want to have to concentrate on the
    music, you just want to sing along to well known tunes, in this area
    there are hardly any good live bands, cover or original. 
    
    If anyone goes to Bristol, there is an amazing pub called the Prom Wine
    Bar, live bands every night, Rock/Blues/Jazz etc.
    
    Mark

    Here's what I think Paris Burning. The band sound kinda like Bohan and
    Extreme meet. Guitar solo needs to turn up little bit more. Singer
    has nice voice, needs a better studio.  Frisk.....you prety good drumer,
    sounds excellence. I love all the songs. Turn it up high when
    I'm out cruising.
                                           
    KL

>     I have VERY harsh feelings toward cover bands. It's not you or your
>    band personally.  This town is geared towards 30 year old barflys and
>    the buddy-buddy bar bands...

Thats about it for EVERY town dood...  if you want to "make it", you have 
to identify a proven market and use that as a vehicle to promote what you
REALLY want (originals).  Do something to attract a crowd (and a lot of 
attention) then slip 'em a mickey (original) when they aren't lookin'.
:)

>    To me that limits creativity and NO wonder
>    no band has ever made it anywhere.  

Why does it have to limit your creativity ??  Sure makes one feel good when 
the '30 year old barfly' motivates off the barstool to ask the 'fat women' to
dance to your originals... 
    
>     I'm sorry I came off rather harsh in the last notes. But when you know
>    you have something good and it gets stiffled alot of times by bands
>    that are only in it for the money...Wouldn't you get a little pissed
>    off? Can you relate?

Yes, I can relate.  I've done the all-original scene before - its extremely
difficult to get a start...Especially in this town.  Thats why I don't
do it here.  There is NO market at ALL for original acts in this town.  And 
don't talk to me about getting stiffled...
  
Go to Denver maybe.  Of course, then there is no money in it, so you'll go 
broke renting PA, driving and set up (not to mention wear and tear on gear).
Better than that, go to LA or Seattle.  Your young enough.
    
>     It's a small town and the scene is lame but I think alot of people
>    and CERTAIN bar owners only make it worse.  

Bar owners aren't gonna do you any favors, pal.  They'll hire a band who pulls 
a crowd, reagrdless of their music.  Money talks, bullsh*t walks.

>   No offense to your
>   band but kids don't always want to see a cover band of middle-aged guys
>   doing Clapton covers.  Maybe I'm blowing it out of preportion but
>   that what I heard from all the kids and people my age. (Same thing) 8)

No offense taken.  But like I've said before, but 'kids' (12-21) don't go to 
bars. They don't spend money, don't have jobs, and don't mean diddly to the
average bar owner (and most club owners here are below average :).  Besides
that, don't you think a kid in a club atmosphere for the first time in their
young lives is a pretty easy target ?  Try 600 drunken bikers - You're a good 
band if you LIVE.  :)

FWIW - I don't do Clapton covers.  In fact,  we don't do but about 4 tunes 
(out of 50) that are "oldies" or 'classic rock' - thats why WE don't play 
at 'a certain bar' that has Storm opening for Lillian Axe.  The owner
there thinks BonJovi and Celtic Frost are one of the same...

Besides all that Friz - we're playin' out and havin' a blast.
thats what *I* want !!   Is there more to life than that ??

Life ceases when you walk off the stage.  :)

jc

    
    
     I think what Coop has said is pretty much right on for the Springs
    area music wise, and what you have to do to get gigs and try to play
    originals mixed with covers.
    
     Friz, I can understand what you are saying but I think you're too hard
    on cover bands. Like people have said, sometimes one's musical path is
    to do nothing but play covers while others like yourself want only to
    do originals. I know that lots of musicians don't care to write any
    music at all, they are happy just playing covers and adding some impro-
    vising here and there, changing the arrangement and so forth. I think
    thats great if that is where the band is headed and everyone is happy
    doing that, and yes this type of band will make alot of money, not just
    here in CSpgs but anytown USA.
     If your unhappy with the scene here in town, I say go for it! don't
    waste your time here. If you have that much faith in your talent and
    material devote your full time trying to get a break elsewhere. Get an
    out of state agent that books several states and try your music in
    areas other than Colorado. Don't sit and complain about how you can't
    get a break because of the way the music scene is here, go out and make
    your own break. I once felt exactly like you, so did the guys I was
    playing with. We tried and failed but I don't regret a single minute
    of it. I think you are in your early twenties from what I gather from
    the notes here. I was about the same age and could live on one meal a
    day consisting of cheese and crackers, making only enough money to make
    it to the next job. You are young with no family, and although I
    have'nt had a chance to here you play yet, (I will go to the Marriot
    gig) you sound like you have the drive to try. Hope we can meet some-
    day soon, after all we work in the same building!
                                                       later
                                                             mike
    

>Thats about it for EVERY town dood...  if you want to "make it", you have 
>to identify a proven market and use that as a vehicle to promote what you
>REALLY want (originals).  Do something to attract a crowd (and a lot of 
>attention) then slip 'em a mickey (original) when they aren't lookin'.

    But what if your "proven market" isn't the barroom crowd?  It would
    seem that the traditional barroom crowd isn't the giant money making
    opportunity that it has been in years past.  The emphasis on temperance
    and the "just say no" attititude, plus the justice system cracking down
    on drunken driving, has made attendance at traditional clubs plummet in
    the last few years.  It's gotten harder for them to make a profit
    because they have less people coming through and the people there are
    generally buying less drinks.  
                              
>Why does it have to limit your creativity ??  
    
    Seems to me that the barroom crowd isn't going to respond to originals
    that don't sound "familiar", so anything that's very creative or
    different isn't going to fly.  
    
    I think this is what Friz was trying to say about it limiting your
    creativity.  Maybe it doesn't specifically limit your *creativity*, but
    I think it definately limits how much of whatever creativity you have
    that can be played to that sort of audience.
    
    If your originals all sound like old blues songs, then they'll appeal
    to the "blues bar" crowd, but try playing an original that sounds like
    Primus to that crowd. 
    
>    Sure makes one feel good when 
>the '30 year old barfly' motivates off the barstool to ask the 'fat women' to
>dance to your originals... 
 
    Yeah, it makes you feel good, but is it truly an indication that what
    you played was good?  Or creative?  I'd say it might show it was good,
    but it would probably show that it was *not* creative.
                                                          
>Go to Denver maybe.  Of course, then there is no money in it, so you'll go 
>broke renting PA, driving and set up (not to mention wear and tear on gear).
    
    But you've said yourself that you're not in it for the money.  If
    you're not interested in making money, then what difference does it
    make whether you play for free or not?  I might drive to Denver to see
    a good show, why would it bother me to pay for gas to drive there to
    play a show?  I'd probably enjoy it just as much. 
    
    For myself, I like playing original music so much more then playing
    most covers that I'd be willing to sacrifice the miniscule income I
    might get from playing to play what I want to.
    
>Better than that, go to LA or Seattle.  Your young enough.
    
    Good advice, this is not a place to get "discovered"...
    
>Bar owners aren't gonna do you any favors, pal.  They'll hire a band who pulls 
>a crowd, reagrdless of their music.  Money talks, bullsh*t walks.

>But like I've said before, but 'kids' (12-21) don't go to 
>bars.
    
    True, and further proof that bars aren't a good way for a band to "make
    it"...
          
>They don't spend money, don't have jobs, and don't mean diddly to the
>average bar owner (and most club owners here are below average :).  
    
    I disagree.  Regardless of whether they have jobs or not, they
    definately DO have money.  In fact, I'd say that most "kids" have more
    disposable income then I do, and I make a pretty decent salary.  What
    they don't have are bills!  Car payments, mortgages, dependants... 
    They can spend *all* their money for superfulous things and it doesn't
    matter, I can't.
    
    Been to a major concert lately?  I'd say the average age at the Skid
    Row show I went to a month or so back was well below the average
    barroom age, yet they had enough money to spring for expensive tickets,
    buy a lot of overpriced t-shirts and other stuff. 
    
    Personally, I think that the teen market in boring towns like Colorado
    Springs is a huge untapped source of income for someone creative enough
    to find a way to harness it.
    
    gh

    Oh yeah, I should make it very clear that my previous note is not
    making a statement about Hardball, or other cover bands, for that 
    matter.  That's what they want to do and that's fine.  There's a call
    for it, it's just not my thing.
    
    Besides, I'm just a "wannabe" anyway...   :-(
    
    gh

re: Note 794.281 by COMET::FRISBYA 
    
> I have VERY harsh feelings toward cover bands. 
> But when you know you have something good and it gets stiffled alot of 
> times by bands that are only in it for the money...

I take a little offense to that statement. I'm in a cover band, and I can
guarantee you that I'm not "in it for the money". In fact, I'm sure that
by the time you figure in gas and stuff for practice and to the gigs, plus
equipment costs, I'm taking a loss. Why do I do it? Because its a BLAST!
I love entertaining people, its a lot of fun, and I get to meet a lot of
people socially through the band.

Please don't put down cover bands in general. Many of us are doing it because
we WANT to, not because of the $$$. And they fulfill a real market need also.
If they didn't, they wouldn't be so popular. A *lot* of people, when they go 
out, want to hear music they already know, not originals! And there's nothing
"wrong" with catering to that crowd!

alan
_a_touch_miffed_

    I think to state my point more concisely (it was probably lost in the
    verbage), the bar audience is not the target audience for most bands
    playing originals anyway, especially now that the drinking age is 21 as
    opposed to 18.  Certainly not for a pop-metal type band like Friz plays
    in.  Why worry about what happens in the clubs?  That's not the right
    audience anyway.
    
    The real problem is *finding* your audience.  It's not in clubs, so
    where is it?  How do you get a following when there's noplace to play
    but clubs, but the clubs won't let the people most interested in your
    music in?
    
    re: Alan
    
    There are good and bad cover bands, I'm sure you know that.  There are
    several that play around here a lot which have had basically the same
    set list for the last 10 years.  They sound totally generic and are
    excruciatingly boring for people like me to watch.  I think Friz is
    probably referring to these bands when he talks about cover bands that
    are only in it for the bucks.  Certainly you put a lot more effort into
    what you do with your band then I can imagine any of these people
    putting into it.  I know when I saw your band last year that you didn't
    have that "stale" sound that many cover bands around here have, even
    though you definately played some moldy material.
    
    gh
                    

    
    I don't understand why people rip into cover bands as an excuse as to
    why they can't get work as an original band? *IT IS 2 DIFFERENT WORLDS*
    
    Those cover bands are being booked in those places for a reason.
    Because its patrons want to hear that type of music. If there is that
    big a market for originals, than there oughta be a club for it. But
    don't blame the cover bands if there's not. Their not taking your gigs.
    
    -dave-

    re: Dave (.294)

    It's my opinion that there used to be a much larger market for
    original music then there is now, because club owners have "groomed"
    their clientele over the years by booking only certain types of bands. 
    
    I also think that the younger crowd is generally more accepting toward
    new music, and the change in the drinking age over the last 10 years
    has changed the market as well.  

    There's one club here in town that allows original alternative bands to
    play there (in addition to cover bands) and it seems like the turnout
    is very similar no matter who's playing.  (with the exception of a
    couple of "big draw" bands that play there frequently)

    gh

Yeah Alan, I figure we make at least $.10/hour doin' what we do...
Then we gotta pay our expenses.

You gotta love it if you do it.  If you don't you won't last because
it is very hard work.

RE: Originals and exposure...

My only point is we use our covers as a vehicle to get people to hear our
originals.  It seems to work, as we get people requesting our originals
sometimes, and wierdo people trying to sing along with 'em and stuff...
Not that I really care if I "make it" anyway - I'm an old fart - I'm in
it for the fun, and to help support my rack-habit... 
jc

    re: gh
    
    I can't really compare the 2 different situations between there and
    here (Boston). But I've played in both Original and Cover (Alans
    Bassist) Bands and they are like night and day.
    
    Doing originals was a lot of work, Travel, Bad nights (Usually a tues.
    night "New Band Night' until you could prove your worth, with bar
    reciets) late hours and heavy competition. But at that time of my life
    it was a lot of fun. 
    Example: Tues. night at Mollys in Alston, No one in the whole place except
    the bartender the other *lucky* band and the MC, Billy West (of REN &
    STIMPY fame) We drank with "STIMP" while the other band played and when
    we went on we did a 30 minute Jam with him as our lead guitarist. It
    was great.
    
    Now it's covers, and although we do do a lot of moldy material, It has
    now become the *FUN JOB* I am lucky enough to have. Covers or originals,
    Playing out was always the best part for me.
    
    I guess we're pretty fortunate here to have so many diverse places to
    play. For the most part, covers and originals aren't fighting each
    other here.
    -dave-
      

>Playing out was always the best part for me.

Gee, I thought loading out was the best part !?!
:)

jc (Who definately agrees - I get withdrawals if I go to long between shows)

    re: Dave N.
    
    Yeah, I could see that.  I've also seen a place in Denver packed out
    on an all-original night (four bands) too.  It's definately a drag to
    play to an empty house, but I don't think that's reserved for original
    bands, as I've seen dead clubs for cover bands too.  I guess it just
    depends on the night and the place.
    
    re: Coop
    
>Gee, I thought loading out was the best part !?!
    
    It is for me.
    
    gh (who's helped people haul gear many times, but never plays out)

    Re:gh
    Yeah, It wasn't always like that, We had some great shows at the 
    Paradise, Channel ect. on Sat. nights too. 
    
    RE: Roadies
    Yeah, You should see Alan carry that mic........................^8)
    
    -dave-
    
    

I can't help it.  I hate loading out.  Loading in isn't so bad, because
you've got some major playing to look forward too...  :)

jc

    
    You guys don't have roadies? Man, I feel for you. I'm training a drum
    tech right now, and it's going to be great to have. Set up, drum check
    while I sit out on the floor and hear my drums being checked. Alot less
    work for me.
    
    I used to do the cover thing, and it was cool, but it was frankly a
    waste of time for me at that point. I really enjoyed it, don't get me
    wrong, but I had just come from a band headlining the Rathskeller,
    and all over the N.E.
    
    /prc

    re: Mike
    
    But you keep your gear size down to a reasonable weight.  Coop needs
    about half a semi to haul what he uses for club gigs...
    
    gh

    
    For me it's better to have someone else doing my drum checks, because
    that way I can hear what it's sounding like out in the audience, not 
    on stage. It helps alot. Set up is asking alot, I do that. Carrying
    equipment to and from and on and off the stage ain't asking alot.
    I try not to do that. 8-)

Ahhhh, it ain't so bad...  But my van does get HORRIBLE mileage.  :).
I usually use my rack and (3)4x12's.  Everything but the rack is on 
wheels, so...  A combo WOULD be a little easier on the back though.
:)

    We have a couple of roadies we use on a consistant basis. This one
    guy we have, Craig, "the Super Roadie", sets up all of my stuff
    around me, tunes my drums (has a great ear), sets them up onstage,
    breaks them down after the show and loads them in my vehicle. If I
    go to set up anything myself, he tells me to sit down and relax.
    On top of doing all my stuff, he usually helps load in and out all
    the equipment. 
    I would have to agree, that if the roadie you are using isnt very
    familar with your setup, then its definitly better to do it yourself.
    
    Bob

    We have a bunch of friends that help out since we have gear up the 
    wazoo.  I wouldn't call any of them expert but they sure help out alot.
    We usaully take them out to dinner after the gig or something...
          I like the PURPLE VAN ROADIE the best but I couldn't pry him 
    away from Marky Mark long enough for him to help. 8)
       I had this one friend ask to shine my drums which is way beyond the
    call of duty.  8)
    
                          Frizkid
    

    
    If you were in a cover band playing Police, Blues Bros, Jam, ACDC, etc,
    with plenty of humour shoved in between the songs, what would you name
    the band?
    
    Flip

    
    My buddy wanted/wants his cousing to change their name (Love Making
    War) to Maxxie and the Pads! But Max won't go for it! Too bad!
    
    Mike
    

    
    	Went to see Altar Ego a couple weekends ago at Sir Morgan's Cove,
    	and Strange Brew was also playing that night.  I looked at the
    	sign and said to myself, "Yuck ... just what I wanted to hear was
    	a Clapton cover band".
    
    	But boy was I wrong.  These guys did 1 Clapton cover, either from
    	Cream or Derek and the Dominoes.  The rest was a couple originals
    	["Don't Go Messin' with the Kid" was the better one] and a few other
    	covers from other bands, including a crankin' 15-minute "Voodoo
    	Child" finale.
    
    	If you get a chance to see them, do it.  These guys crank, and the
    	guitarist is amazing.
    

    
    	Saw Living in the Past in Shrewsbury the other night ... wow, what
    	an excellent show!!  These guys sound almost exactly like Jethro
    	Tull ... the vocals are as close as anyone could get to Ian And-
    	erson's voice.
    
    	Played for 2 hours, including a guitar solo, a keyboard solo and
     	a flute solo.
    
    	The flute player is excellent, too.
    
    	And they did "Cross-Eyed Mary".
    
    	If you get a chance, go see them.
    

    
      Where in Shrewsbury ?  the Plantation Club ???  I want to See Wilbur
    and the Dukes again...if they 're still around.
    
    /Sax (Scoman::Lamothe)   :-P
    

    
    	G. Willicker's, on Route 20.
    
    	Kind of a dump, but not bad.
    

    
    Oh Yeah,I remember that place, was one of the Heavy Metal Gatherings
    many moons ago !
    
    :)
    

    
    	Van Halen's "I'm the One" was covered by 4 Non Blondes on the
    	"Airheads" soundtrack, but is nowhere near as good as the orig-
    	inal.
    

    Re: -1
    
      That is because VanHalen is God.  There is none higher.
    Worship them or you will spend your afterlife listening to
    Sam Kinison sing songs by Poison !!
    
    Shane, who likes VanHalen a little bit ;)

    
    	Oh, yeah?  Try saying that in the GUITAR conference and 25
    	Clapton lovers will beat you senseless.
    
    	8^)
    

    WOW!! there are actually 25 Clapton fans still alive??
    
    Paully
    

>    WOW!! there are actually 25 Clapton fans still alive??
    
    Define what you mean by "alive".
    
    ;-)

    er..ah.. older ? 8}

    I'm breaking out my bat.....
    
    -kev

    No worries....with arthritis being what it is there's nothing to worry
    about when a Clapton fan approaches with a bat!!
    
    Paully

>    No worries....with arthritis being what it is there's nothing to worry
>    about when a Clapton fan approaches with a bat!!
    
    It's kinda like learning how to defend yourself against a person
    armed with various kinds of fresh fruit.
    
    	db - who learned bananas and kiwi last week

    I'M REALLY IMPRESSED!!
    
    I had a terrible time with bananas.....I couldn't get a good enough
    grip.
    
    Paully

    Wait til you get to the lesson on watermelons!

I prefer ripe persimmons

    
     ?  Samashing Pumpkins....Now we're talking about Smashing some
    Watermelons....Kool !!!  :)
    
    /Sax_who_would_rather_throw_eggs_and_smash_this_stupid_vt240
    
    

    
WhiteBoard News for Friday, February 23, 1996 [excerpts]
    
Fast News Forum:

Singer Pat Boone says he wants to make a CD covering
ditties by Metallica, Megadeth, Van Halen and Guns N'
Roses.  "It started as a joke," said Boone, 61.  "But
then I started thinking maybe there was something to
it. ... My wife thinks I'm crazy."

He's crazy!

    Pat Boone ... isn't he like, running for President or something?!?

    
    No no no...Pat Boone is the guy that likes Milk!
    
    /j

    
    	No, wrong Pat B.
    

    I Can Hear Him Croonin"Don't Step on my White_Shoes."
    
    
     Crazy_Or_"If_You_Want_To_UnRavel_My_Sweater_Al

        This topic will be for tunes or bands that perform covers/remakes
    and whether you think they slaughtered'em or brought'em back to life!
    
        Dear Mr. Mod,  I did a Dir/Title and couldn't find Jack!
    
    But if there's already a similar topic in here, by all means delete
    this one.
    
    Thanks

    
    	Hmmm, I'm wondering why you did a
    
    	dir/title = jack
    
    	when looking for a note on covers.  I think
    
    	dir/title = cover
    
    	might have worked much betterer, and would have found at least
    	2 topics.
    
    

    
    	show keyword/full covers
    
    	lists topics 537 and 595.
    

    Well I'll have a go at 'er !
    
    Cover Band           Cover Tune             	Original Band
    ----------           ----------             	-------------
    VanHalen		 You really got me!     	The Kinks
    VanHalen		 Pretty Woman			Roy Orbison
    VanHalen		 Won't get Fooled Again 	The Who
    Life of Agony	 Don't you (forget about me)    Simple Minds
    David Lee Roth	 That's Life			Frank Sinatra ?
    Our Lady Peace	 Needle & the Damage Done	Neil Young
    Guns n Roses	 Hair of the Dog		Nazereth
    Ugly Kid Joe	 Cats in the Cradle		Jim ?????
    Stone Temple Pilots  Dancing Days			LedZep
    Megadeth		 Paranoid			Black Sabath
    
    
    
    My fav has to be STP doin' LedZep !
    Anyone else?		 
                                       

    Damn you Slab, damn you!  [^;=
    

    
    	"Cat's in the Cradle" - Harry Chapin
    

>>>    Stone Temple Pilots  Dancing Days			LedZep

No sir, I don't like it...

    
    	Yeah, I never cared for Led Zeppelin either.
    

    RE: .6
    
    	Do you like the original or hate both?
    
    Cause they both sound damn near identical.
    
    	Just curious?

    
    And don't forget Marilyn Manson doing "Sweet Dreams" - gives the
    Eurythmics a run for their money. :)
    
    /jen

    
    	I heard part of "Sweet Dreams" and wasn't too impressed.
    

    It ain't as good as their other stuff.

>>    RE: .6
>    
>    	Do you like the original or hate both?
>    
>    Cause they both sound damn near identical.
>    
>    	Just curious?

I kind of like Zep's version but STP's was overplayed and wasn't as good.
No one can put the drum tracks down anything like Bonzo.

Sheryl Crow's song (D'yer Maker)  is an automatic click OFF.

    
    One of my favorite covers is from Nativity in Black
    Type O doing Black Sabbath.... really cool.
    
    Dave
    

    Are you crazy? That song sucks bad & is a disgrace to Black Sabbath.
    Type O Negative sucks period.
    

    
    Type O Negative has the worst freekin music I have ever heard. 
    Especially when there trying to do Black Sabbath!!
    
    Mike
    

         Type O Negative?!? What's wrong with you? There's something very
    wrong with a 6'6" freak who thinks he's a vampire. I can't believe
    anyone would admit that they liked that cover. 

    re . 13
    
    Ah dude, that's the worst song on that tape.  I dig that Sepultura. But
    c'mon man--Type O Negative? I fall to sleep every time I hear it.
    -ss

    Let me guess, you like to drink blood and bite the heads off of bats
    too? Give me a break. 
    

    
    Geez I guess I've been told huh? =)
    
    Sorry to offend you guys, but Type O IS cool music. 
    Their cover of Sabbath was good. They did the tune the way they wanted
    to, not the way Sabbath did it. Paranoid sounds too much like the
    original, harder but they didn't put the 'Megadeth' stamp on it. (example
    only)
    
    >Let me guess, you like to drink blood and bite the heads off of bats
    too? Give me a break.
    
    Ya, so? Are you busy this Friday at midnight? I could use some, other,
    nourishment. =)
    
    Dave
     

    Megadeth sucks too, buddy. My neck is out, but I got something else you
    can suck on.
    
    

         That was kind of rough, but a Type O fan doesn't deserve any
    better. Drop it while you still can, LYLE. 

    
    re: -2
    
    You guys share the same brain cell or somethin'?
    

    
    No, its just that us people here in colorado know what music is good and
    bad!  Maybe you should try noting in the lame music conference
    
    Mike
    

    
    Maybe you should try a different file. Is the thin air out there
    messin' with your head? I think so.
    
    

    mmmmmm thin air.....

    RE: .20
    
    A little harsh don't ya think??  What is with the defensiveness?  
    
    > but I got something you can suck on.
    
    I used this once years ago, when I couldn't think of anything
    intelligent to say at the time.
    
    Type O may not be the best band ever, but they definately don't suck. 
    Dave don't be afraid to be yourself, you just go right ahead and listen
    to your Type O.
    
    Pete
    

    
    Poor, poor Davey... gettin stomped all over aren't ya?
    
    I guess it's just arrogant ignorance when you claim one person's taste
    in music SUCKS and then have the gall to request that you try sucking on
    their (implied body part).
    I myself happen to like Type O, but then again I'm sure that there are
    a few others in this conference who'd agree.
    I don't, however, like Megadeth (I think they suck)....but I wouldn't
    start insulting someone because they liked them.  Guess that we're on a
    higher level of maturity, huh?
    
    re.-1 Way to go Petey, couldn't have said it better myself!!!
    
    Just a thought
    Rick

    Need a tissue, man?
    

    
    Ouch that really hurt (note sarcasm).
    
    By the way......What the HELL does that mean???
    Guess I'm just slow.

    After a shot like that, most definately.  Such pitiful things make me
    cry.
    
    P
    
    > Guess I'm just slow
    
    Naw.  Rick man, it was just stupid 

    Are we the only losers still around here?  
    -ss

    nope ... 
    
    max_early_int_morning_0930
    

    
    Type O's Black Sabbath and Paranoid! So there!
    
    Overkill's Frankenstien
    
    Stevie Ray Vaughn Little wing
    
    Duran Duran's Zep cover Thank You
    
    Hmm, hafta wait till the Rush tribute comes out to check out that one
    too!
    
    As for Type O, they are different, gothic, thrashy kinda, punk kinda in
    some of their earlier tunes. Peter is a tall dude for sure! But they
    don't suck, alanis morrisetts(sp) cover of Zep sucked!
    
    
    

    Type O sux!
    
    Does not!
    
    Does too!
    
    Does not!
    
    Does too!  Nanny nanny boo boo!!
    
    Gimme a freakin' break.

    RE: .34
    
    	Pssst Dude...your thinkin' of Sheryl Crow ?
    
    Alannis doesn't do a cover from Zep.
    
    RE: .12
    
    	Couldn't agree more with ya!  D'yer Maker bites big time, she
    slaughtered that tune. And very true, no one plays like Bonzo!
    
    RE: .18
    
    	Wasn't it Ozzy who bit heads off of live animals?
    I myself am not a big fan of Type O either but...ya don't see me goin'
    off half cocked...Oh wait a minute...isn't it your half co** that you
    wanted to produce?
    
    Besides the crappiest cover of all time is Winger doin' Purple Haze!

    Any_Band That Trys to Cover"Love Hurts"Usually Fails Big_Time Compared
    to The Original by Nazereth.
    
    
        Crazy_With_Unit_Well_Hidden_Al

    
    I once had the chance to pick up "the best of Nazareth" but didn't
    now I'm bummed cuz I haven't seen it since! 
    
    
    						ian

    
    	"Frankenstein" - Overkill
    
    
    	Both covers of "Purple Haze" [Winger and The Cure] are horrible.
    

    
    re: .38
    
    Yo Ian, see if you have a newbury comics or like place out there
    because I could have sworn I saw it at record town in the searstown
    mall in leominster not too long ago....(a month maybe). There was at
    least one or two of those.
    
    I liked Hair of the Dog myself with "please don't judas me". Still got
    the vynil of that one! Kinda scratchy though ;-(.  I am waiting for my
    changer to get fixed so I can crank the disc again in the beretta! Got
    to get the front speakers replaced though, left front pops with loud
    volumes and heavy bass through it...
    
    (type O  type O  type O  type O  'Prilmeister, will get back to you
    after vacation (tomorrow!!!) as the disc I want to tape for you is
    stuck in changer which is at repair shop ;-( ). I won't ferget ya! Just
    sent me your internal mail address will ya!)
    
    
    
    

CLASSICS VOLUME 16
NAZARETH
(A&M)

364455  [CD] $14.98

Tracks:

     THIS FLIGHT TONIGHT
     EXPECT NO MERCY
     LOVE HURTS
     MORNING DEW
     CARRY OUT FEELINGS
     HAIR OF THE DOG
     RAZAMANAZ
     LOVE LEADS TO MADNESS
     I WANT TO
     HOLIDAY
     STAR
     DRESSED TO KILL
     BROKEN DOWN ANGEL
     MY WHITE BICYCLE
     HEARTS GROWN COLD
     SHANGHAI'D IN SHANGHAI
     GO DOWN FIGHTING

From my memory looks like only Razamanaz is off of Razamanazz...   I remember
that being a pretty good album.

Tim

    HEY!!!!!! Is anyone else out there, it's gotten really quiet and were
    not all that bad.
    
    -BG

    
    Still here, unfortunatly..... =(

       I'm sorry. That means you've had to listen to all this lame stuff.
    
    -BG

    Unfortunate only bcause we are stuck here with Rachelle.  I'm tell'n ya
    Davey, she's look'n at ya.
    
    HAR!!!
    
    P

    Is it that bad?
    
    -BG
    

    
    You haven't seen Rachelle....... =)
    

    Well come on let us know what she's like.  If Rachelle would like to
    describe herself that would be even better.
    -BG

    Let's Just say she is mighty masculin......He.....Ooopps.....She hasn't
    as of yet saved enough money for the full operation, only a small part
    has been altered so far....;-)
    
    P 

    So can we call her Rick.
    

    doh

    
    Rick for now. 
    
    Although in time Rachelle will be the appropriate title.  =)
    
    Dave
    

    Will I get dirty mail from her.
    

    he...she'll only kill you if she finds out:)
    -BG

    Was it that obvious?
    
    Rick (A.K.A. R-cubed), I am sorry if we tarnished your image.
    
    P :-o
    
    
    

    I hope so ss.
    -BG
    

    oh sure try to apologize now that the damage has been done. No mercy
    Rachelle.
    -BG

    Hey Now!!!
    
    Don't be giving her any ideas.  She is very easily influenced.  
    
    P

    Does she like men or women?

    
    Not sure really. He is married tho, so I would have to guess women.
    
    I have been told that he is impartial to animals...... =)
    
    Dave
    

    I heard something about Llamas, Penguins and goats.
    
    :-}
    
    P
    

    That's sick man
    -BG

    In the immortal words of a famous American...
    
    "Can't we all just get along?!?"
    
    
    Stevie Ray's cover of the Beatle's "Taxman" gets a vote from me....
    And for the sake of Bobby T....we can't forget the Crue's version of
    "Anarchy in the UK"
    "Sweet Leaf" by Ugly Kid Joe wasn't that bad either.
    
    
    And I have to second the motion of MM's cover of "Sweet
    Dreams"....BLEEECH!
    
    Paully 8)
    

    
    Guess what boys and girls,
    
    I'm back and ya I found out.......won't be hearing from Pete
    or Davey for awhile, they're both gonna be visiting the 
    Queensway Carleton (hospital) for a little bit. =)
    
    But seriously folks, I am a guy and married and very partial
    to females (of the human persuasion).
    
    Rick

    Oh man, I won't even reply to that one.
    -ss

    OUCH!!  I know how Davey and Petey feel....I made the mistake of
    calling Rick Rachelle once.......
    
    he was so pi$$ed that he hit me with his purse and stormed off in his
    heels!
    
    Paully 8)
    

    
    
    Hey Paully......HAR!!!
    
    

    I have to agree with that. MM is shameful to the Eurithmics.
    -Bg
    

    Thats good to know. How ya doin Rick?
    -BG

    
    Good thanx, and you?
    
    Rick

    
    	How about we take this crap to ::FRIENDS?
    
    	Thank you.
    

Or ::ENEMIES I don't care...

    What are you jealous that you cant make any friends?
    -BG
    

    
    	RE: .74
    
    	Please see .72 ... thank you.
    
    	I do have the ability to whip up a very quick and efficient
    	.COM file that will go through this conference and wipe out
    	ANY entry from a specific user [for example, maybe VASQUEZ]
    	in about 15 minutes.  I know I don't have to worry about
    	accidentally deleting any music-related entries BECAUSE YOU
    	HAVEN'T CONTRIBUTED ANY.
    

    Sorry

    I can better Shawn, since I am the host.  :-)  
    
    I've got a nifty tool and waits for connection to the notes DECNET
    object by user-supplied USERNAME/NODENAME parameters, then quietly
    disconnects that persons link before they can open the conference.  It
    works VERY well... Worse than that?  It's got a little 'bug' in it,
    where people who are victimized by this program can't even send mail 
    to the host system to beg forgiveness.
    
    Never mess with an ole VMS hacker who hosts ones favorite conferences...  
    
    jc (old vms hacker)

    You guys wouldn't cut off a cxo dude would ya?
    
    Oh btw covers suck
    -ss

      I have to say that one of my favorite covers has to be the Simon and
    Garfunkel cover by Queensryche of Scarborough fair. 
    (excuse any spelling mess ups.)
    -BG

    
    	That was a B-side of 1 of their singles, wasn't it?
    

       Yes it was the second song on the Anybody listening single.
    -BG

    
    
      Motley Crue did good with jailhouse rock 
     
      and smokin' in the boys room.
    
       /Scott
    

    
    <---------- yes, but they bombed big time with Anarchy in the UK.
    Vince tryin' to sing with a British accent didn't work.
    
    Sid Vicous' My Way is cool. Mind you it's not quite a proper cover, but
    it was nifty.
    
    Dave
    

    nifty?!?
    
    Paully
    

    
    Yeah, nifty.
    
    What's wrong with nifty. 
    
    
    I feel like Ned Flanders... ok??
    =}
    
    Dave
    

    	Listen up Neddy Boy, Motley's version of Anarchy KICKS...It
    is such a pump me up song...This version is probably the best I've
    ever heard, and the video smokes as well. I like Vince's voice for
    this one and T-Bones Drumming is asusal, awesome...How dare you
    diss the Crue...Okily Dokily...*))
    
    		Bobby T - F**kin' Destroy....

    
    Original ?, Van Morrison's, especially the Doors version though is
    Mojo.
    
    Stephen
                                        

    Little Ceasar   	Chain of Fools		??Aretha Franklin??
    Big Sugar		Dear Mr. Fantasy	?????????????
    Aerosmith		Walk this Way		Aerosmith/RUN DMC

    
    Dear Mr. Fantasy was done by Traffic, I do beleive....
    

    
    re: .86
    
    Bobby, Bobby, Bobby...... Crue's version of Anarchy was horrendous.
    The music was OK, not great, and Vince did not do it justice.
    I know you worship them, but your blind devotion doesn't change the
    fact that this cover was bad. =)
    
    Dave
    

    Megadeth's version of Anarchy wasn't much better imho.

    
    	But Megadeth's "Paranoid" kicks some butt.
    
    	As does Faith No More's "War Pigs".
    

    And MegaDeths "These Boots"
    
    :-)

    I kinda like :
    
      Lenny Kravitz's cover of KISS tune, " Deuce ".
      Van Halen's cover cover of Roy O.'s  " Pretty Woman "
      Quiet Riot's cover of Slade's " Cum On Feel The Noize ".
      Jeff Healey's cover of George Harrison's  " While My Guitar Gently
                                                  Weeps ".
    
    I think these covers were particularly well-done. :-)
                                                                *** Kit ***
    

    
    	I'm sure a bunch of you have the "Kiss My *ss" tribute, yes?
    
    	What do you think of Yoshiki's "Black Diamond"?  I think it
    	ROOLZ.
    

    Yeah I have " KISS My A** "....Yoshiki's cover is o.k.....
    I still prefer Lenny K.'s cover, tho'. ;-)

    
    	"Deuce" was kind of slow and unheavy, IMO.
    
    	What was the Anthrax song?  That was 1 of my favorites from
    	that album.
    

    Anthrax did " She "....
    
    And that was also a VERY good cover....REAL heavy. :-)
    
        

    my favorite cover is GFY doing Metallica doing Queen with
    Stone Cold Crazy  ;)
    
    Shane, who thinks that's a great tune

    
    	Maybe you can do that song at a show that I'M at 1 of these
    	times!!
    

    RE.: 1148.100
    
                     Great P_N  !!!!! ;-)
    
    

         The Metallica cover rocks, but whoever stuck up for Motley Crue
    was way out of line. I hoped I had heard the last of those guys, but
    apparently they still have fans. 

      Your just jealous if Tommy Lee.
    -BG

    
    He's jelous if Tommy Lee what???
    
    Mike
    

     oops, I meant of Tommy Lee. We all know he wants Pamela.
    -BG

    Oh boy!   Just wait till Bobby T checks out note .102.
    
    Boy are you in for a lashing!

    
    	I'm jealous of Ritchie Sambora ... I want Heather Locklear.
    

    She's got way more class than Pam anyway.

    Ya but Pam's got more plastic than Heather...grrrrlll
    
    	...actually she's got more plastic on her than an '84 Camaro!

    
    the Crue version of "Anarchy...." is bloody aweful.
    
    
    					ian

    I Don't Think That Kiss or Alice Cooper Ever Did ANY Covers..
    
      Crazy_Fact_Al?

    
    	Kiss' "Hide Your Heart" is a Desmond Child song.
    
    	Also done by Molly Hatchett and Robin Beck.
    

    
    	Motley's version of Anarchy Is GREAT, and every man should be
    proud/jealous of Tommy Lee. I mean he "dumps" Heather Lockler and
    weds-up the next hottest girl on the market, Pamela Anderson. I
    mean, as soon as Pam gets washed up (like Heather did) who's next?
    The man is a God, not only on the drums, but with the women too.
    
    	Granted Motley is not nearly as great as they were with Vince,
    but they can still rock with the best of 'em.
    
    	A couple other covers that are cool; 
    
    Faster PussyCat - Your so Vain (I think thats the title)
    LA Guns - I'd like to Change the World
    Vince Neil - I wanna be Sedated  and Rod Stewarts, Blondes have
    		 More Fun...And apparently that Chicago song he did
    		 that the record company axed so they wouldn't have
    		 to pay Chicago, but the reviewer said it was an 
    		 awesome cover. Hate how I can't remember which tune
    		 it is though...
    
    	Bobby T
    

    
    	"25 or 6 to 4"
    

    	Thanks...Have ya heard it???
    
    Bobby T

    
    	No, I did a SEARCH on the Vince Neil note to find the title.
    
    	I wish I had heard it ... based on some of the stuff from the
    	last album, I think he could have done a wonderful job on an
    	already wonderful song.
    
    	I can already picture "record scratching fills" in the approp-
    	riate places, etc.
    

    
    so Bobby,I take it you like Motley Crue?
    
    
    
    						ian

        re.113
    
         Is this guy serious, or is this a bad joke? Someone out there
    would actually admit to being an LA Guns fan?!? Did anyone ever tell
    this clown that the 80's are over? The music sucked then, and it sounds
    even worse today. Motley Crue was always more or less a joke, and they
    are partially responsible for the pseudo-metal crap we were tortured
    with from about '85-'91. 

      With the way bands like metallica are going I think were going to
    have another pseudo era.
    
    -BG

    
    	Yo, Ed, has it ever occurred to you to look around in here,
    	find a topic dedicated to a band that you LIKE [if we have
    	any, of course ... but it's doubtful since there are "only"
    	about 680 notes dedicated to specific bands], and say some-
    	thing nice for a change?
    
    	I also happen to like LA Guns, and Motley Crue, etc., etc.
    	If they were good in their time they're still good now to
    	the fans that remember them.
    

    tou'che
    

         They weren't good in their time - even I was able to recognize
    pseudo metal as pure crap when I was in junior high. Besides, you don't
    even have topics about bands like Deicide. If you want to see me say
    something nice, check in the Pantera topic.

      I think you dogged on ss in that one.
    
    -BG

    
    	Deicide - note 490
    
    	Check 7.last for an alphabetical band list, and if you're look-
    	ing for a note for a specific band and you don't find it there
    	then start a new note for them.
    
    	And if I'm in a good mood I might not even go into your new
    	topic and rag on you and/or the band.
    

    
    Right on!!!!!
    Tell it like it is Shawn!!!!!
    

    Enough whining already, people.

G'day,

 I'm not sure about Aclice Cooper but KISS have definately done some covers:

 God gave rock and roll to you,

 And then she kissed me (on Alive II)

 Theres probable a couple more if you look hard enough

 Nic

    re.118
    
    I find myself asking that question daily.....
    
    but that because I have to work with him, not because of his musical
    taste. ( which Roolz, Bobby!!)
    
    Paully 8)
    

         
    
     Alice Cooper did a cover on his "Flush the 80's" album (the one with
  the song "We're all Clones") called "Talk Talk" though I can't recall the
  original artist.
     Kiss did The Dave Clark Five's "Anyway You Want It" on the studio 
  stuff side of "Kiss Alive 2".
    
         A few I like:
         Guns n Roses - Sympathy for the Devil
                        Live and Let Die
            Aerosmith - Come Together
                        Walking in the Sand
                        Helter Skelter
       Elvis Costello - Don't let me be Misunderstood (Elvis is King!!!)
                  ELO - Roll over Beethoven (the long version)           
    Stevie Ray Vaugan - Little Wing, Taxman
          Jeff Healey - Blue Jean Blues
                        While My Guitar Gently Weeps
      
        The worst cover I have ever heard:
             
                  Robert Plant and Tori Amos - Down By the Seaside 
                   
    If I should get depressed I'm gonna stay as far away from this song
  as possible.  The longest seven and a half minute song there is.
    
                                                               Steve   
                     

    
    	"We're All Clones" - wow, I haven't heard that song in MANY
    	years, and had forgotten all about it until now.
    

    RE.: .129
    
    " Roll Over Beethoven " by E.L.O. is awesome !!!!!  I totally forgot
    to add that one to my list.....
    
    ***Kit ***

    Joplin fan, Kit?
    
    Paully 8)
    

    Steve...
    Yeah,Thanx Man.. I Remember"Talk Talk"But Can't think of the Original 
    Writer Either.I Think thats on"Flush The Fashion".I Used to have the 
    Album and am Lookin fer The CD.Maybe it was on"Zipper Catches Flesh".
    We're All Clones I Believe Is on"Flush The Fashion".
    
      Crazy_Don't_Forget_the_Coop_Al

   >> .133
    
       Yeah, it was "Flush the Fashion", but I can picture the cover of the
    8-track in my mind and I think there was an "80's" spray painted in the
    background.
       I thought of another really bad cover...
     
                          The Firm - You've Lost That Loving Feeling
    
          ...off their 1st album.  It sounded even worse in concert.
    
                                                               Steve
    
           

    RE.: .132
    
    Joplin fan ???  
    
    It all depends....some of her stuff is prime, some of it is waste. :-)
    
    She had a cool voice tho'....unique....Melissa Etheridge really ripped
    it off. ;-)
                         *** Kit ***