Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
     Paul, That just about sums it up. Page was terrible and I agree
    Jason and J.P.Jones were the best. Plant wasn't that bad. He was
    awful at Live Aid. Page stunk up both places.
    
                                     Rich
     

    
    	   It's funny.  I tried watching that show, being a long
    	time Zep fan, but found I could not endure it.  I found 
    	the channel 8 auction (our local PBS station scrounging
    	for money) to be more entertaining.  I missed the Zep
    	performance altogether, and now that I hear the comments
    	I'm glad I did.  I'd hate to see Paige 'after the fall'
    	as it were.
    
    	   Incidentally, did anyone know he wrote the soundtrack
    	for Death Wish III... shows how low he really has gone.
    
    	- Greg
    

    
            It wasn't as bad as it seems. True, Page kind of screw things
    up but mostly during lead breaks. If you put the thing in perspective
    it was entertaining. It wasn't the Zep of old but then again I didn't
    care to much for the Song Remains the Same. Not that it was bad
    but Plants voice wasn't the same as a few years earlier and I found
    alot of the songs drawn out too long.
    
            I heard on Wbcn some King Biscuit live tracks from 1969-1973
    that were really incredible. The whole band sounded awesome. Plant
    voice matched the first two studio albums. Page was at his peak.
    Bonham druming seperated the band from most others and JPJ was his
    usual. Some of the selections of songs were You Shook Me, Black
    Dog, What is and should never be, Immigrant song, Going to California,
    Stairway to Heaven,Whole lotta Love and more.
     
                                       Rich

    
    	   Ah yes... those were the days.  Me and Chuck cruising around
    	Knoxville Tennessee in his VW bug, playing yep as loud as the
    	speakers would bear.  My all time fave has to be Kashmir, but
    	Black Dog, Misty Mountain Hop, and Whole Lotta Love are real
    	close.  
    
    	   We used to listen to Phys Graf all the way through on Friday
    	nights on Cherokee Blvd (the local college strip), cruising
    	for chicks and generally having a blast.  We made a drink 
    	called Wolf Pussy and life was a party.
    
    	   There was a song on Presence that was my all-time favorite
    	for a long time, but I can't recall it at the moment.  It
    	was one of the two songs displayed on the sticker that announced
    	the hits contained within.  Damn, what is that song?
    
    	   The Devil Dog has selected wisely.  Zep is classic.  The
    	music will never die... it is so unique that bands today
    	steal bits and pieces of the style, but never quite match
    	the originality.  Zep reigns, even after all these years.
    
    	- Greg

    	Age takes it's toll on everyone, Page is no exception.  And
    in this day of Vinnie Moores, George Lynches, and Malmsteen even
    his best efforts judged by todays standards would leave him rather
    limp.  Even the old fire dog likes to bark when the alarm goes off
    even if he can't jump on the truck.  Let's just say Mr. Page didn't
    grow old gracefully like Clapton did.
    
    	Q> "Mr. Page.  What happened to your talents ?"
    
    	A> "I guess they're gone to California."
    
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    	   If the biography of the band is to be believed, it's
    	much more likely that the talent leaked out of the holes
    	he kept poking in his arms.
    
    	- Greg

    		........ agreed .......
    
    			Mr Scary II

    
    re. jimmy page
    I saw robert plant in concert when he played hammersmith odeon (london)
    the concert was ok ,however for the encores jimmy page joined robert
    on stage.They went through about four numbers,not one of them was
    substandard.Jimmy had put on some weight ,but his playing was great,the
    highlight was a slow blues called "smugglers blues" and a storming
    version of "rock and roll".Jimmy showed that when he has a clear
    head he is still one of the best players around.He made robert
    plants guitarist look painfully ordinary.
    
    
    steve.s
    
    

    
    	During their days there wasn't a band around that was better
    than Zep. They could do no wrong. I can't think of a Zep tune that
    I don't like. The only thing that gets my goat is when radio stations
    play Heartbreaker and don't follow thru with Livin' Lovin' Maid.
    Grrr that burns me up!
    
    
    	Dave

    
    Speaking of Zeppelin, for years when ever I listen to the 2nd album
    I always mumbled the words to Heartbreaker when listening because
    some of the words are hard to understand. Could someone help me
    out and print the words so I don't have to mumble anymore.

    
        (Insert whistling of the theme to the 'Twilight Zone' here,
        or 'Deja Vu' by Iron Maiden) ...
    
        If someone knows the words to 'Heartbreaker', would they
        please send them through mail (internal/external/VAX) rat-
        her than insert them here?  Thank you.
    
                                                         GTI
                                                        Co-mod
    

    Guys and girls,
    I heard your pros and cons,come on now how many of you would change
    the station if Zep was on.You can't lose with Led Zep.

    It depends on what song.
    Even I, a BIG Zep fan, get tired of hearing "Rock and Roll" again
    and again. Why not play stuff like "The Rover" or "Nobody's Fault
    But Mine" more often instead of the same old repeats. They have
    such a diverse and powerful catalog, radio should use it more!
    
    Alan S.

    ...this is why I like Presence so much. You don't hear that stuff
    on the radio, and it is awesome.
    
    
    n-n-n-no-no-no-no-nobody's fault...
    
    
    /Motorbreath
    

    
    	   THAT'S IT.... That's the song on Presence that used to
    	be my 'anthem'.  Of course, as I 'grew up' I fell in love
    	with lots of their stuff... not the least of which being
    	'The Battle Of Evermore', 'Mist Mountain Hop', etc.  I
    	gotta confess... I didn't like the CODA album at all.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	

    well, wasn't CODA material deemed earlier as not being worthy of
    being put on their albums?
    
    /Motorbreath says "aah muhself don't like CODA either"

    Geez, when do they play this stuff?  I never hear it on Kilo.  I
    only hear (insert current 'quasi-rock that's not quite what they
    play on the top-40 stations instant overplay burnout' song here).
    I don't like KILO much...too much DJ babble & commercial and they
    NEVER announce the title or even the artist AFTER the song when
    you'd know whether you'd want to remember it if it was something
    you hadn't heard before, but that's about bloody unlikely on that
    station anyway.
    
    gh

    
    Would someone please type in a complete list of LZ albums?
    
    Thanks in advance....
    
    						The Pizza Guy   <)
    

    OK, this shouldn't be too hard;
    
    Led Zeppelin
    ************
    
    Led Zep I
    Led Zep II
    Led Zep III
    Led Zep IV
    Houses of the Holy
    Physical Graffiti (2-LPs)
    Song Remains the Same (live) (2-LPs)
    Presence
    In Through the Out Door
    Coda
    
    Import 45 of "Immigrant Song" has "Hey, Hey, What Can I Do" as the
    B-side 
    
    Robert Plant solo
    *****************
    
    Pictures at Eleven
    Principles of Moments
    Honeydrippers (w/Page and Beck)
    Shakken 'n Stirred
    EP (don't remember the title - had 4 songs on it)
    Now and Zen
    "Philadelphia Baby" - song on Porky's Revenge ST (w/Phil Collins)
    
    Jimmy Page solo
    ***************
    
    Death Wish II - Sountrack
    The Firm - The Firm
    Risky Business - The Firm
    Stephen Stills - played guitar on his solo album
    
    John Paul Jones solo
    ********************
    
    Scram for Help - Soundtrack (w/Jimmy Page and Jon Anderson)
    
    
    Did I miss any?
    Alan S.
    
    

    
    John Paul Jones also played on and produced The Mission's latest
    album.  He also played live with them on keyboards.
    
    -Tony

    I read over in the MUSIC file that the new Page album is coming
    out this week. They said WAAF was giving away copies of it this
    morning. But I don't believe anything until someone in this    
    conference confirms it! :^) Anyone hear any news?
    
    BTW, can someone please correct the spelling on the title of
    this note. It's Led Zeppelin, not Led Zepplin. Thanks!
    
    Alan S.

    I'm gonna answer my own question....
    
    I just called a friend of mine at WEA Records. She said that the
    new Jimmy Page LP has a release date of June 21! Robert Plant 
    does some vocal work on it, and there is no Paul Rogers (yeah!).
    
    I hope this is good....
    
    Alan S.

    Seriously...I did see Jimmy on the first Firm tour and Robert Plant
    on the Pictures at Eleven tour.I was impressed with both shows.
    I haven't seen anything go down hill except most of the music that
    is put out today by our"contemporary"artists.As far as Page's playing,
    both Live AID and the Atlantic birthday party were,as far as musical
    accomplishments are concerned,nothing to important.Page does have
    a new album coming out June 21(or is it 22???) and Robert Plants
    new album is doing well and that gives us old Led Zep fans something
    to chew on for a while...

    re: .46  Jimmy P.s new song
    
    I've heard this one too.  I was really disappointed.  Just an average
    song, with an average singer, average guitar player.  Matter of
    fact, after about the second time, I found it repetative and annoying
    and changed stations.
    
    Too bad, 'cause Jimmy was one of my fav players back when.
    
    gh 

    OK, you want to talk about Zep? I'll talk about Zep!
    
    What, in your opinion, made Led Zep so great?
    
    In my opinion, it was their diversity that was their strongest point.
    Their ability to grow musically, and to infuse different styles
    of music into their own. From Joni Mitchell ("Going to California")
    to old blues masters (innumerable tunes) to Eastern ("Kashmir"),
    they could do it all, and do it well. That is what made them so
    great, and why no one today matches them! (Could you really see
    Kingdom Come doing techno-pop? Probably not, but who in the
    late 60's thought Zep could do folk? You see what I mean?)
    
    Let's hear some opinions out there!
    
    cat

    
    	   It was more than their incredible diversity (though that
    	definitely played a large part in it for me)... it was the
    	innovative approaches they invented/adopted... it was the
    	ltrics, the tunes, and let's not forget RP's voice (which
    	was pretty amazing back then).  They stood for everything
    	our generation beleives in... sex, drugs and rock-n-roll.
    	No holds barred!
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(who remembers the magic of Zep)

    
     I have a few thoughts to share from a big LZ fan. I remember a
    night many years ago when I was in junior high when I first heard
    LZ for the first time. As with many of you out there, I know how
    I felt when the opening bars of Whole Lotta Love starts pumping.
    The band was monumental in adding a new form and a new sound to
    rock and roll forever.
     There have always been alot of talk how LZ have ripped off old
    blues tunes and taken the credit but I disagree with these opinions
    because there are so many traditional blues based songs that are
    very much alike. Sure some of the songs (Lemon song, Bring it on
    Home, How Many More Times) sound alot like already recorded blues
    tunes. But the thing that is different is that instead of these
    riffs being done on acustic guitar with slide, its now mega watts
    of power and a new twist on something old.
     Any thoughts on how the books The Lord Of The Rings influenced
    the lyrics on so many of their songs?

    
    This may not be the place but Jimmy Page's new album is 
    supposably out it's called "Outrider"the Boston herald says
    it's a great album and is very guitar oriented(sp?).
    
    				M
    				 B
    

    I heard another song off that one this morning on the way to work.
    It was co-written with Robert Plant, who also sang on it.  It sounded
    better than the others I've heard so far.  Still not up to LZ standards
    though.  I guess you really can't go home.
    
    re: .53  Definately a lotta influences from 'Lord of the Rings'!
    BTW:  Tolken[sic, sorry] wrote some amazing stories.
    
    gh

    Yeah, definitely a lot of Tolkein. Listen to "Ramble On"
    from LZ II. It even mentions Gollum (one of Tolkein characters)
    by name. And "Battle for Evermore" form LZ IV is a direct 
    decendant of Tolkein stories.
    
    cat

    
    	   A real fan of Tolkein would not mispell his words...
    
    	" in the darkest depths of Mordor
    	  I met a girl so fair
    	  But gollum and the evil on (Sauron)
    	  crept up and slipped away with her-er, her-er, yeah"
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(wordsmithing is among my talents, you know)

    I picked up Jimmy's album yesturday and i
    like it. Its not up to LED ZEP standards but
    its not bad, i like the second side of that album
    its the bluesy side of the lp.

    OK, you asked for it!
    
      For those of you who don't read the DREGS::MUSIC file, I'll try
    and give a brief recap. Pete said he thought Robert Plant was just
    jealous over the loss of his ability to sing like the old days,
    and that is the major reason Plant dumps on Whitesnake, Kingdom
    Come, etc. My arguement as that Robert no longer wants to live in
    the past, and instead is looking forward. He just thinks that the
    Led Zep style of music has been done, and been done as good as it
    is going to be done. So why try and recreate it?
    
    (Hope that was pretty accurate, Pete!)
    
      Now, on with our saga. I can't judge too much, because I've only
    heard a couple of new Page tracks, but from what I can see so far,
    Jimmy is just trying (unsuccessfully) to recreate the sound and
    feel of LZ. Why? Does he really think he is going to do better than
    his past? The man had such talent in all types of musical forms,
    and now he's putting out records that sound like Billy Squier rejects!
    (Anyone notice that the single sounds like a ripoff of Squier's 
    "Everbody Wants You"?)
    
      I just feel that as long as Robert is looking forward, and Jimmy
    is looking back, Plant will always come out ahead!
    
    cat

    
    
     bravo cat!!
    
    	I don't think there's anything wrong with an artist wanting
    	to move ahead and try something new.  You're right about
    	Zep.  They had their sound, they were fabulous, but they
    	are also no longer together.
    
    	If another group wants to TRY and recreate Zep sound, let
    	them, but Plan or Page shouldn't be worried about the out
    	come of it all....
    
    
    	/kimm
    

    
    	   I'll go along with Pete on this one.  Plant is becoming
    	steadily more wimpy as time progresses.  Page, while he
    	is losing his talent, is at least trying to give the audience
    	what they expect.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(opinions for sale)

    I agree with .61, .67, .68,
    JIMMY will always be Jimmy
    and i hope he doesn't change
    his stile.

    SET FLAME=ON
    
    WHAT?!?!?
    
    I can't believe you guys want musicians to stagnate, and even regress!
    Is that what music is all about for you guys? 
    
    Look, a previous note said to let Jimmy do what he does best. But
    what he does (or did) best was experimentation and mixing of styles
    and influences. What he is doing now is just ripoff and retread
    of things he did 15 YEARS ago. **15 YEARS**!!! Don't you think he
    should have made some progress in that time?
    
    And not only his guitar work, either. What happened to the amazing
    production jobs he did (the LZ stuff sounds great on CD!). Let's
    face it, he has just had too much booze, too much drugs, and too
    much living. 
    
    I for one am proud that Robert has continued to grow. And whether
    you like his newer style or not, you have to give him the credit
    for not resting on his laurels. And now that he has reconciled 
    himself with his past (and accepted it without cashing in on it),
    we are all the better for it!
    
    SET FLAME=OFF
    
    Look, I'm as much a Page fan as anyone. He is the only person who
    inspired me to pick up the guitar. I still have all my old posters
    of him. BUT, I don't worship him blindly! 
    
    phew...
    
    cat  
    

    RE.71
    
    do you hate just jimmy or do hate led zepplin as a whole?
    
    who do you perfer as a guitarist?
    
    there might be few people better then him but he's far 
    from thw worst in my opion.
    

    re: .71
    
    	   Perhaps Pete is just having another bad day.
    
    	   Incidentally, when Page did 'stretch' himself
    	to produce the Death Wish soundtracks, it seems
    	obvious to me that devoid of the other Zep 
    	influences, his talent is not 'tapable'...
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    

    I also feel that Page has 'lost' his inspiration...
    
    Perhaps it was too much hard life (drugs, alcohol, late hours, etc.).
    
    It's really unfortunate too, because he inspired a generation with
    the songs Zep did.
    
    gh

    
    Plant is boring.  
                                         
    He drones on and on like a dog who has been kicked in the b****

    In his time, Page was WAY ahead of his time.  Zep had a certain
    chemistry THEN.  So maybe time looked more favorably on some more
    than others.  Cream and Clapton were hot then too.  Then the fire
    died, Clapton slowly got it back together and came back but not
    like he was.  Nobody is beating him up for it now.  Maybe Page will
    do the same. You get older you mellow out some - Plant did, Clapton
    did, Bob Segar did, the list goes on.  Let the old dogs lay out
    in the sun.  Don't kick 'em just 'cause they don't bite like they
    used to ......................
    
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    
    Careful Jerry, you're showing your age!

    
    Re .77  Mr. Scary, very well put!
    
     I think that this is true of all the musicians that you mentioned.
    There was a time and place for Zeppelin and it is now passed. Its
    time to move on to new faces and styles. But, I would very much
    like to see both Plant and Page stay in the music business no matter
    what style they may play. Age and wear and tear from the road take
    their toll no doubt about that. I have been a drummer for 20+ years
    and I'll be this first to say that I can't do some of the things
    I used to.
     When the Atlantic thing was on the tube when LZ reunion was done,
    I admired Robert Plant very much for one thing that maybe nobody
    else did or if so never mentioned. I got the feeling that at the
    end of Stairway To Heaven, he really gave it all to try and belt
    out the last verses like he did years ago. If you watch he gave
    it all on "And as we wind on down the road, there walks a lady we
    all know" and then dropped a full range realizing it wasn't there.
    I'm sure a sobering moment. Any one else feel this or just me
    wishful thinking??

I read in the Globe that Plant's Tall cool one is going to be used for a
COKE commercial.  I never thought I would see the day when Robert Plant was
on the tube pushing soft drinks...

							Tim

    
    	Well, how else is a has-been supposed to pay the rent?
    
    -=[MOSAT]=-
    (that's TASOM spelled backwards)

    re: .79  I noticed the same thing in Stairway to Heaven.  He went
    up, his voice cracked, he came down.  I thought he was going to
    make it.  He started out slow on The Song Remains the Same and
    eventualy got up there.  Oh well, my voice ain't like it used to
    be either.
    
    Chris D.

    Well, I got to fulfill a life-long dream on Monday night - I got
    to meet Robert Plant! Was at the show and got backstage, and got
    to shake his hand and talk to him for about 30 seconds. Doesn't
    sound like that big a deal, but I was *psyched*!!
    
    cat
    
    P.S. He was very cordial and nice.
    P.P.S. The show was great! He added "Communication Breakdown" to
           the set since the Great Woods show, as a second encore.

    Allright!  Congrats!  Also nice to hear that he treated you well.
    
    gh

    I hope Zeppelin makes a come-back.I always liked them.

Well, for any of you out there who like to take a chance - 

Robert Plant - October 30 - Worcester Centrum
Jimmy Page   - October 29 - Worcester Centrum

I found out that Jimmy is playing in Philadelphia on the 30th, so
if there is any type of reunion/jamming planned, it will be on the
29th at Jimmy's show.

BTW - Jimmy said in interviews on both WBCN and WAAF that there will
*not* be any "reunion". But you never know.....

cat

    Yea, but what was he supposed to say, "Yes, were gonna get together
    and do a few songs."  There would be a riot if they didn't get
    together.  And for that matter, there would be one if they did!
    I sure hope they do.  
    
    Steve O

    Gee, I was just thinking.  
    
    Page's band already knows the Zep tunes, Plant's doesn't know too
    many.
    
    Page has Jason Bohnam on drums, Plant doesn't.
    
    I don't know about you, but my wheel are turning and there is certainly
    some smoke comming out of by ears.  Hmmmmm...  Keep us informed!
    
    Steve O

    
    
    	I went to Plants show last night at the Centrum in Worcester
    (oct 30th).  I saw him on his 'Shakin' and Stirred' tour a couple
    years ago and saw quite a few differences in each of those shows.
    This time around robert did not seem like he was into the show or
    maybe he was ill, I don't know.  His voice obviously isn't what
    it used to be.  Instead of holding notes, he would scat it out.
    As for his new band, they are a talented 'young' bunch, but only
    in the years to come will they be able to prove themselves true
    rockers worthy of playing in a band with the likes of Plant. Don't
    get me wrong, they were good, but you could see where their youth
    and inexperience held back on what could have been a superb show.
    	The lighting and visuals were much less then the last time I
    saw him and this was good and bad.  Good for the fact that you were
    more apt to watch the people performing rather than the vids(even
    though they had them- the one for the Imigrant Song was by far the
    best of the night).  But the band wasn't as active as when Robbie
    Blunt and the others from the old band, even though this band was
    much younger.  Also there were no backing vocals, instead it was
    all done with pre-recorded stuff which in my opinion is a rip-off.
    	Another thing I thought that took away from the show was the
    fact that this was a 'Robert Plant' concert, but half (maybe more)
    of the tunes were old Zep tunes.  A couple to show his roots would
    have been fine, but I went see Plant do his tunes and possibly a
    few choice Zep tunes.  The ones that he did do from the old days
    were done with quite a tasteful flare.  I guess the show I wanted
    to see wasn't what the game plan called for, but it was good just
    the same (in spite of how you may be reading this).  In my opinion
    Plant was only 75% of what I saw a couple years ago, but that is
    still a good 65% better than most of the bands that are out today.
    	Plant is still a rocker that can not be put down, but age is
    showing with the vocal chords but you would not see with the gleem
    that is in his eyes when crowd cheers at the end of each song.
    
    
    							floyd
    
    p.s.  CJ is a true 'Zep Head'.
    

    
    			ZEP. RULEZ!!!!!!!!
    		NUFF SAID!         JAMMIN CAM

    
    		re::Buck
    would you believe that i was mearly trying out my personal_name
    since i just today requested that Shawn explain how to set personal
    and wanted to try it out to see if it worked, i used this note as
    guinea pig cause Zep. is  my  all time fav. and i figured no one
    would notice or object to my comment, obviously you did, but, who
    really cares....  as far as Anthrax goes i'm sorry you feel that
    my remarks are bland, i bought Among the Living after seeing the
    band in A bar in N.Y.C. with Helix and 3 others bands....i really
    like their music but i don't like their lyrics... that's an opinion
    bland opinion.....no more than anybody elses (imo). 
    
    							JAM
    					who obviously can't do anything
    					right, i feel degraded cause
    					you "Buck" of all noters had
    					to chop me down, after i heard
    					so much about what an incredible
    					guitarist you were, i always
    					had a good deal of respect for
    					your notes and comments and
    					as it turned out.....

    Jeez JAM, 
    
    I think that BUCK is just p*ssing about replies that have absolutely
    no redeeming qualities - informational, educational, entertaining
    etc. like notes that say "xxx SUCKS", "xxx ROOLZ" etc. 
    
    I don't blame him. No one's picking on you.
    Don't get a complex about it! 8^)
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    Yo' Jam,
    
    If you wanna express your Opinion on a topic (AT LEAST ITS METAL
    RELATED) then go for it,Theres been too many Meaningless Replies
    that have been made,in this file,,so why degrade a metal related
    opinion Now????
    
    Gen.Tama

    I don't know the answer to this, but I've always wondered:
    
    	What are the words Plant is singing at the beginning of "Moby
    Dick"??  Some of them are easy to understand, but some are not...
    
    "I've got my ticket I've got my ____"
    
    then later he sings, "Gonna bring it on home, bring it on home to
    you."  "Watch out watch out __________".  Anybody know??
    
    	Also, has anyone ever had the pleasure to act the title of the
    book of the same name out in charades ;^)??
    
    joe.

>    	What are the words Plant is singing at the beginning of "Moby
>    Dick"??  Some of them are easy to understand, but some are not...
    
Gee, in all the versions I've heard "Moby Dick" is an instrumental....

cat

    Moby Dick is one of my favorite instrumentals!
    
    gh :-)

    Yes, I did mean "Bring It On Home".  Don't know where my head was
    at when I wrote that one ;^)
    
    joe.

    Sure there are words to Moby Dick.  On the live album the words
    are" John Bohnam Moby Dick-Dick-Dick-Dick" at the begining and
    "John Bohnam.  John Henry Bohnam." 
    
    ;^) x 100
    
    Chris

     
      The words at the beginning of Bring It On Home are a little
    hard to understand. At one time I thought I had it figured out,
    I'll listen tonight and see if maybe it will come back.
      Another set of lyrics I've always been stumped by, and maybe
    one of you could translate for me. It is in Heartbreaker.
    After the guitar and lead break.
    Vocals come back in with......
    Oooooo __________________? Get some money saved,
    Abuse my love a thousand times etc etc etc.
    What is that opening line?
                                 mike
    

    
    
     Re last.
    
       I had a feeling no one else did either, I've been asking
    that question for years. If no one knows, are there any guesses?
    
                                                        mike
    

Well, I think the first words are "worked so hard all my life", but
I'm not sure....

cat

    Back in my foolish youth, I bought the sheet music for the first
    two albums. (This was back in the days when I thought I could be
    the next John Paul Jones!!)
    
    I'll try and fins it tonight and look up the lyrics to see if they
    help us at all.
    
    Keef.

    
    Re 114.
    
    Well cat, that sounds like it could be the words. Its better
    than anything I could come up with. There are not too many
    LZ songs that you can't understand the lyrics, but this one
    always did stump me.
                              mike
    

    Are you sure about that....It was stated that it was from the group
    Led Zep.  This is not showing that they are useing the lyrics as
    a possesion.  They are mearly speaking about certain Lyrics in a
    song that another did, giving full credit to the ones who have the
    rights to the lyrics.  I don't think that is any infringement on
    the copyright laws.  Just as quoteing a magazine article.  I guess
    I'll have to check out Etiquette to be sure.
    
    The Sentinel

    
    
    		RE:: ALAN
    
    			That's pretty good,you got 'um all except
    		Jimmy Page's new album  Outrider......
    
    							Jam

    
    	Would someone be so kind as to send me the lyrics to Rock N
    Roll via E-mail...(God knows we dont Buck in here waving around
    the corporate policy bible telling us what heathens and sinners
    we are for going against the holy policy [insert many smiles])
    
    Thanx 
    BK
    

    
    
    		i'm replying to my last note 39.127, big boo-boo...
    i was reading note 39.24 and 39.25 and thought i was reading 39.124
    and 39.125,i hope this didn't screw some people up! oh well..  
    anyways, when Alan S. listed the discography for Zep., he didn't
    include Outrider with J.Page's solo career, so i was just adding
    to it but what i didn't realize was that when Alan wrote that note
    (39.25) it was in June88 rather than the present which would explain
    why he didn't include Outrider.....because it wasn't published yet.
                                                      
    						JAM

    <And as we wind on down the road, our shadows taller than our souls..>
    
   This is in reply to the Page "my talent has gone to the wispering
    wind" notes earler, did any of your known that Jimmy Page was the
    top session musician in europe at the age of 19, and played backing
    guitar on such hits as DELILA by Tom Jones and "Not Unusual" same
    vocalist, spinning of on a tangent here, way back in the 60's 
    he was left on his own to a scandanavian tour by the Yard birds
    of which "don't quot me " but i think he was the only member left,
    so he pulls to gether a group from select session musician  ie
    Plant, bonham, Jones.
    The name LED ZEPPELIN came from a studio jam of the new Yardbirds
    when a crazy drummer called Keith Moon was prensent, and his immortal
    comment was "Ah I think your Scandanavian tour will go down like
    a Lead Balloon!."
    But going back to the point of poor old Jimmy's playing hand,
    it just goes to prove that Sex Drugs and rock'n roll don't really
    go together unless you moderate it.
    
    A blast from the past ,
                              Jon.

    I know what it is and I love it!!!
    
    Have you read the trivia note!
    
    CJ, who always gets picked on for loving Zeppelin!
    

    After speaking with my friend Candy at lunch, I began to think about
    what it must of been like seeing Led Zeppelin live.  I would of
    given anything to have been able to see them.  I was wondering if
    any of you have seen them, and are willing to share your views on
    the concert, it would be greatly appreciated.
    
    CJ

    
        Have u ever seen "The Song Remains the Same"?
    
        I'd be willin' to bet that an LZ concert was fairly similar.
    
        8^)
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Yes, I've seen the song remains the same, a thousand and two times,
    but, I bet it's not the same.
    
    Re: Buckley..  ??
    
    CJ

    I've seen that flick a few times, I' have NEVER stayed awake thru
    Dazed and Confused, BOOOOORRRIIINNNGGG, outside of that song themovie
    is o.k.

     
      I had the opportunity to see LZ on 3 different tours. The first
    time was just after the release of LZ2, which I believe was the
    opening date of their second US tour. I also saw them on The Song
    Remains The Same tour. But, the most memoral time was after the
    release of LZ4. It was at the Denver Collosium. LZ came on stage
    at 8:00 and played with no back-up band until 12:30. I remember
    as the house lights went down there was a long wail like the sound
    of an airplane crashing and LZ opening with The Immigrant Song.
    At the time Plants vocals were very very strong. They played for
    about 90 minutes and then John Bonham left the stage for Plant,
    Page and John P. Jones to play about half an hour of accustical
    stuff (Tangerine, Goin To California etc, that kind of thing).
    After that they got electric again with Moby Dick with Bonzo's
    typical 15-20 minutes of soloing. Then the big one, Stairway To
    Heaven which brought the house down. I can't remember alot of the
    order of play, it has been a long time. The close of the show was
    Whole Lotta Love and Rock and Roll. It was quite a show for its
    time. Let me say that granted Page and Plant have aged and mellowed
    out. They are not what they used to be but who is? But let me just
    say that if you had heard them then and at that moment in time they
    on top there were none better. Remembering those opening few seconds
    of the show with Plants wail at the opening of Immigrant Song will
    always be LZ to me.
                            mike
    
    
    

    My older sister dragged me to the Physical Graffiti tour, and I
    must admit it was the best(if not only) concert I'd ever been to.
    They really jam on record, but are ten times better live. LZ is
    the only band I know that were better live...

    CJ 
    
    Iam too young to have seen ZEP.
    
    ;^>
    
    An' if you believe that you'll believe anything.
    
    Bonzo

    The Guy I work with saw Zepplin as his first concert.  They were
    playing in some music tent in Framingham.  At least that's what
    he said.
    
    The Sentinel

 It was called Carousel Theater.  Hendrix played there also.
    
    Candy

                
                Sentinel spelled Zeppelin wrong!!!
                
                Nyah, nyah-nyah nyah nyah . . .
                
                :`)
                
                

    Hammer Of The Gods is a killer book.
    
    A must for all Zepp fans...
    
    jc (who_Sez_why_am_I_here?)
    

    Yeah I'm just stupid.......let me die in peace and without a 
    Dickshunarie...
    
    
    The Sentinel
    

    HAMMAR WAS 
    
    
    GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    The next reply is a list of know Zeppelin bootlegs.  
    
    Disclaimer:  I do not advocate the sale of underground recordings.
    (8^))
    
    Steve O

LED ZEPPELIN - COLLECTORS GUIDE (TRAMPLED UNDERGROUND)
This list was taken from a book called Led Zeppelin - Collectors guide
Trampled Underground.  If you ever see this book, please buy it so that
the editors and publishers of such books will continue to do so.

Name			  Date	Source		      #Lp's    Quality
==============================================================================
Absence			    75	bbc London		2	ex
Alive 1971		    70	? radio broadcast	1	fine
Archipelago	   5/31-6/3/73	LA Forum		1	v fine
Atomic Asteroid 	    73	LA Forum		2	v fine
BallCrusher		    72	London			1	v fine
BBC Concert		4/4/71	BBC Concert		1	ex
BBC Broadcasts	         71-72	BBC Broadcasts		2	ex
BBC Zep			    71	? radio broadcast	1	ex
The Best of Led 
 Zeppelin (Live in 
 concert)	        9/4/70	LA			1	fine
The Best of Led
 Zeppelin	       5/24/75	Earl's Court`		1	fine
Blow Ones Cool		    71	Milano, Italy		1	fair
Blueberry Hill	        9/4/70	LA Forum		2	ex
Live on Blueberry Hill	    70	LA Forum		2	ex
Bonzo's Birthday Party 5/31/73  LA Fourm		2	v fine
Bonzo's Last Ever Gig
 in Berlin 7/7/80       7/7/80	Berlin			3	ex
Caution Explosive        69 70	San Fran/LA		2	good
 "Chicago 1975: Live
on the Levee"		    75	Chicago			2	ex
Cologne 1980		    80	Cologne Sportshall	3	ex
Copenhagen Warm ups 
 the second night	    79	Copenhagen		3	v fine
Custard Pie	       3/24/73	Offenbach		3	v fine
Danish Television	  3/69	Danish T.V. Broadcast	1	good
Dedicated to John 
 Henry Bonham		    72	Japan			1	ex
Destroyer		    77	Cleveland		4	ex
Detroit Cobo Hall      7/12/73	Detroit			2	v good
Detroit-Just About
 Back		       1/31/75	Detroit			2	good
Duck-Walks and Lasers    73 77  N.Y. & Ft. Worth	2	v fine
Earls Court	       5/24/75	Earls Court		1	ex
Earls Court II	       5/24/75	Earls Court		1	ex
Early Jitters	        4/4/71	BBC Concert		1	good
Feel All Right- Live
 in Montreaux		    71	Montreaux		2	ex
File Under		    71	BBC Broadcast		1 ep	ex
First Concert as the
 New Yardbirds	      10/16/68	Marquee Club		1	good
FillMore West 1969     4/27/69  Filmore West		2	ex
V 1/2			    73	Seattle			2	v fine
Flight of the Zeppelin	    69	BBC Studios		1	fine
Flying High	       11/8/69	Fillmore West		2	v fine
Germany 1971		    70	Hamburg			1	fair
Gettin' the Lead out	  8/79	Knebworth		2	v fine
Going To California	  9/74	Berkeley, CA		2	ex
Going To California	  9/74	Berkeley, CA (s 3&4 of^)1	ex
Gone To California      9/4/70	LA Forum		1	good
Hiawatha-Express	     ?	FM Broadcasts		1	ex
Hot Tracks (vol 1)	     ?	Wash DC			1	v fine
Hot Tracks (vol 2)	     ?	Wash DC			1	v fine
Hot Tracks (vol 3)	     ?	Wash DC			1	v fine
Hot Tracks (vol 4)	     ?	Wash DC			1	v fine
Houses of the Holy Pic
 Disc			     ?	NO zep Material 	1 	?
Idolescence	       '69 '70	BBC (paris '70)  	2	ex
In Concert	       2/12/75	New York		2	fine
Inedits			  1/71	Studio Outtakes		1	fine
In Person	       2/12/75	New York		2	fine
In The Evening	       7/25/79	Copenhagen		2	v fine
John Henery Bonham
 Session Man		     ?	Studio Outtakes		1	ex
James Partick Page
 Session Man		     ?	Studio Outtakes		2	ex
In the Light	       '69 '71	London			2	ex
Kashmir			    75	Earls Court		1	v good
Knebworth 79		    79	Knebworth		2	v fine
Knebworth II		    79	Knebworth		2	fine
Knebworth Fair (vol I)	    79	Knebworth		2	v fine
Kenbworth Fari (vol II)     79	Knebworth		2	v fine
Knebworth II		    79	Knebworth		2	ex
Knock Oneself Out
 (vol I)		    70	Bath Blues Festival	1	poor
Knock Oneself Out
 (vol II)		    70	Bath Blues Festival	1	poor
L.A. Forum		    71	LA Forum		2	v fine
LA '72		       6/25/72	LA Forum		1	ex
Last Lead	   	    79	Knebworth		2	fine
The Last Farwell 
 (vol I)		    79	Knebworth		2	fine
The Last Farwell
 (vol II)		    79	Knebworth		2	fine
Live at the L.A. Forum
 (for badge holders
 only)			  6/77	LA Forum		2	ex
Live at the L.A. Forum 
 (for badge holders
 only (part 2))	       6/23/77	LA Forum		2	ex
Lead Poisoning		    73	Vienna			1	v fine
Led Zeppelin		     ?	BBC Broadcasts		1	ex
Led Zeppelin		     ?	Radio Broadcasts	1	ex
Led Zeppelin 7 inch
 picture disc		     ?	BBC Broadcasts		1	ex
Let Zip Hellin		    71	Vancouver		1	ex
Led Zeppelin Live	    72	Japan			1	ex
Led Zeppelin 71		    71	BBC Broadcast		1	ex
Listen To this Eddie   6/21/77	LA Fourm		2	v fine
Live			    70	Hamburg, Germany	1	ex
Live Aid-The Global
 Juke Box (vol 2)	    85	Live Aid		2	ex
Last Brawl	          7/77	Oakland, CA		2	v fine
Live at the Budokan	    72	Japan			2	ex
Live at the Chicago
 Stadium		    75	Chicago			2	good
Live at Knebworth      	8/4/79	Knebworth		2	v fine
Live at Knebworth 
 (part 2)	   8/4-8/11/79	Knebworth		2	v fine
Live at the L.A.
 Forum			    70	LA Forum		2	ex
Live at the Lyceum
 in London	      10/12/69	London			2	fine
Live at Madison
 Square Garden 1975	    75	New York		1	ex
Live at the Newport
 Jazz Festival	        7/4/69	Newport Jazz		2	ex
Live in England 1976	    75	Earls Court		1	v fine
Live in Japan 1971	    71	Festival Hall Osaka	1	ex
Live in Japan 69	     ?	various			1	good
Live in Japan 1971     9/20/71	Osaka			2	ex
Live in Japan	       9/29/71	Osaka			1	v good
Live in London 1971	    71	BBC Broadcast		2	ex
Live in Osaka
 (part 1)	       9/29/71	Osaka			1	ex
Live in Osaka
 (part 2)	       9/29/71	Osaka			1	ex
Live in Seattle		    73	Seattle			2	v fine
Live in West Germany
 80" (part 1)		    80	West Germany		2	ex
Live in West Germany
 80" (part 2)		    80	West Germany		2	ex
London Live		    69	Lyceum in London	2	v fine
London 1969		    69	London			1	ex
Montreal 75	        2/6/75	Montreal		2	poor
Melancholy Danish
 Pageboys Get It On	  7/79	Copenhagen		3	ex
Metallic Opus		    79	San Francisco		1	fine
More Inedits		     ?	Studio Outtakes		1	ex
Mudslide		     ?	FM Broadcast		1	ex
My Brain Hurts		     ?	Osaka			1	v fine
1975 Brittish Tour	    75	Earls Court		2	ex
1975 World Tour		    75	Montreal		2	poor
Nobody's Fault But Mine     77	Seattle			2	Superb
No Quarter	       5/18/75	Earls Court		1	v fine
On Stage In Europe 
 1975			    75	Earls Court		1	ex
On Tour			    73	Seattle			2	ex
On Tour The Backstage
 Story			    70	BBC Broadcast		2	v fine
Over London	         69 70	BBC Broadcasts		1	ex
Plant Waves		     ?	Various			2	good
Pure Blues Live		    70	Vancouver		1	ex
Quantient 	        5/5/73	Tampa			3	fine
Realize			    68	Fillmore East		1	ex
Royal Albert Hall 1971	    71	Royal Albert Hall	1	v fine
Seattle 73		    73	Seattle			2	v fine
Sin City Social		    73	LA Forum		1	variable
Solo Performances	     ?	Studio Outtakes		1	1-pr/2-gd
Spare Parts		     ?	Various BBC Broadcasts	2	ex
Stairway to Heaven	    71	BBC Broadcasts		1	ex
Stariway Picture Disc	     ?	?			1	good
Studio Rehearsals III	    70	Studio Outtakes		1	ex
Studio Rehearsals IV	     ?	Studio Outtakes		1	ex
Swiss Made		    80	Zurich			2	ex
*The Can*	         70-80	Various 	       *10*	ex
10th Anniversary	     ?	Swedish FM Broadcast	1	ex
Three Days After	    70	LA Forum		2	ex
Trampled Underfoot	    75	New York		2	good
Tundershoot	        9/9/81	BBC Broadcast		1	ex
Unburied Dead Zeppo's
 Grave			    69	San Francisco		1	fair
West Allison State
 1969			    69	West Allison State	1	fair
Welcome to Home	       5/17/75	Earls Court		1	fair
Welcome to Home Vol 2  5/17/75	Earls Court		1	fair
Welcome to Home Vol 3  5/17/75	Earls Court		1	fair
White Summer	            70	Hamburg, Germany	1	ex
Reform For Marquee       68 83	Marquee			3	v good
Zeppelin		9/4/70	LA Forum		1	v fine
Winterland		    70	Winterland		1	good
Zeppelin Over Europe
 Eye Thank yew		    75	New York		1	ex
Zeppelin Over Europe
 Eye Thank yew	       6/24/80	Zurich			2	v fine
Zoso 80			    80	Germany			2	ex
Zware Lul vol I & II	     ?	?			2	v good
==============================================================================

	RE: .150

	Second Coming Records in Cambridge usally has the collectors
	guide that Steve referenced.

	- Jim

	Sorry, I haven't read all the replies (yet) so I hope this hasn't
	already been noted...

	Here's a farely accurate list of where else to hear Jimmy.
	
	- Jim

	Jimmy Page's busy early session days...

	Groups/Performers - singles on which Jimmy is on:

	Them
	The Kinks
	Tom Jones
	The Who
	David Bowie and the Mannish Boys
	Nico
	John Mayall
	Donovan
	Jeff Beck
	Joe Cocker


	Bands Jimmy was in / session work...

	Neil Christian and the Crusaders
	Carter Lewis and the Southerners
	Jet Harris and Tony Meehan
	Mickie Most (-and the Gear)
	The Redcaps
	Dave Berry
	Mickey Finn and the Bluemen
	Pat Wayne and the Beachcombers
	The First Gear
	Brenda Lee
	The Primatives
	Lulu and the Luvvers
	P. J. Proby - "Three Week Hero"
	Wayne Gibson and the Dynamic Sound
	Brian Poole and the Tremoloes
	Billy Fury
	The Sneekers
	The Zephyrs
	The Landcastarians
	The Brooks
	Bobbie Graham
	The Outsiders
	The Fifth Avenue
	Gregory Phillps
	The Masterminds
	Judi Smith
	Les Fleurs De Lys
	Twice as Much	
	Creation
	Johnny Holiday
	Steven Still's solo album
	Chris Farlow "Out of Time" ?
	Rolling Stones "I'd rather be with the boys" ?
	

	Jones and Page:
	--------------

	Donovan
	The Yardbirds "He Said the Clown"
	Jeff Beck 

	Jones:
	------

	Tony Meehan 
	Mighty Avengers
	The Greenbeats
	The Downliners Sect
	High Society
	The Cherokees
	Barry St. John
	The Mindmenders
	The Manchester Mob
	Billy Nicholls
	Graham Gouldman
	
	=======================================================================

    What kind of guitar was Paige using on the first two albums?
    
    	Was he using Les Pauls back in those days?
    
    	joe.

    Jimi used a Les Paul to gig with, but he often used a Silvertone (those
    thin, ugly things with the silver pickupsin em) or a Tele to record
    with. 
    

Yeah, Buck's got it pretty accurate. If I remember correctly, he mainly used 
the Tele in the studio. But by LZ IV, he switched over to using the Les Paul
in the studio. The only exception was the solo for "Stairway to Heaven", on 
which he reverted back to the Telecaster.

cat

    Didn't he also use an SG double-neck on stage at time?
    
    	joe.
    
    	(I still want a Tele).

	It has been over a year since the convention held in the Meadlowlands
	does anyone know if another one was scheduled or not?  I had heard it
	was being planned to be held in Chicago but never heard for sure.

	- Jim

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UBOHUB::HOGAN_T                                       6 lines  31-OCT-1989 09:30
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    WELL HAVING READ ABOUT THIS BOOK "HAMMER OF THE GODS" I WOULD LIKE
    TO GET HOLD OF A COPY. COULD ANYONE HELP AS MY LOCAL BOOKSTORES
    ARE ABSOLUTELY USELESS AS REGARDS ZEP STUFF. ALSO ANY OTHER BOOKS
    ANYONE KNOWS OF(AND WHERE I CAN GET THEM) WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
    THANKS.
    TONY....

    
    Re. Hammer of the Gods
    
      Tony, I have a copy of this book at home. If you have no luck
    finding it, I can get the numbers from the cover so that any book
    store can order it for you. Contact me off line if you wish.
                                                                 mike
    

    MIKE, THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY COULD NOT FIND YOU THROUGH ELF SO I
    HAVE TO REPLY TO YOU HERE.
    I AM CURRENTLY AT VIABLES, BASINGSTOKE EX 3767 BUT ONLY FOR TODAY.
    OTHERWISE I AM UBOHUB. I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ANY INFO BUT
    AM NEW TO NOTES SO PLEASE FORGIVE IGNORANCE OF HOW TO USE IR.
    THANKS AGAIN.
    TONY HOGAN....

    Totally cool book.
    
    Gotta love that stuff.
    
    jc

    mike i am still having trouble getting through to you but i am getting
    your messages on my all in one account. please reply with info on
    book through that medium.
    cheers
    tony.h.f

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CGVAX2::GILBERT                                       7 lines  13-NOV-1989 16:52
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    LED ZEPPELIN IS VERY GOOD MUSIC.

                    SO THINK ZEPPELIN

OK, with all thw fuss being made lately about Jimmy Page, I thought it was 
about time that I put in my $.02 worth. As most of you know, I am a big Zep 
fan, and have been a staunch supporter of Page in the past. That trend will 
continue with this note - I hope to explain why, IMO, that Page is one of (if 
not the best) guitarist in rock and roll.

First of all, the short version: Versatility.

Now, the longer version:

The thing that continually amazes me about Page is not his technical ability 
(although that is substantial, even if not up to today's speedsters). What 
does continually impress me, even upon the n-th listen, is his ability to feel 
at home at numerous styles of music. And I'm not talking about just two or 
three here - I'm talking about more styles than half of today's guitarist have 
even *heard* before!

Let's take a quick glance at some of Zep's catalog, and look around.

Hard rock - "Immigrant Song", "Whole Lotta Love", "Heratbreaker" - these songs
            pretty much defined the term 'heavy metal' when they came out. Oh
            sure, Zep wasn't alone - we've all heard the arguments about Blue
            Cheer and many others - but Zep was definitely the one to have the 
            largest effect on the most poeple.

Rock and Roll - "Rock and Roll", "Song Remains The Same", "Trampled Underfoot"
                - just a few of the straight ahead rock songs that still 
                influence most rockers thru today.

Blues - "How Many More Times", "I Can't Quit You Babe", "Since I've Been 
        Loving You" (which alone qualifies him for the Hall of Fame) - Page
        may have stolen some of the songs (I'll grant you that), but he also 
        made them his own - his style, flash, sound, and feel was all 
        personalized. 

Folk - "Going to California" was inspired by Joni Mitchell, and was written
       as a tribute to her style of music.

Celtic - "Battle for Evermore" is a classic example.

Boogie/Rockabilly - "Boogie With Stu", "Hot Dog" - you can tell that this is
                    one of Page's favorite styles to play - he seems to enjoy
                    them so much.

Ballads - "Stairway to Heaven" (of course), "All of My Love", "Rain Song" - 
          the man has written some of the most beautiful and memorable ballads 
          of the rock era.

Pop - "Dancing Days", "Fool In The Rain", "Houses of the Holy" - nice bopping 
      tunes that have great hooks in them.

Eastern - the majesty of "Kashmir" is the perfect example of this.

Experimental - "Whole Lotta Love"'s middle section using the theramin. The use
               of the violin bow in "Dazed and Confused". The interplay of 
               acoustic and electric on songs like "Ramble On" - not only did
               Page break the rules, but he wrote them for years to come.


Its for reasons like this that I consider Page to be one of the greats. Even 
if he isn't the fastest. Even if he isn't the cleanest. Even is he isn't as 
great as he once was. All those things pale when looking at the body of work 
he has given us.

And in 20 years, I'll look back at the career of someone like Vai or Gilbert 
or Satch. And if they have as much to offer as Page does today, then they will 
earn my equal repect. But until that day, Page still wins my heart over the 
others.

alan

    You forgot Acoustic: (Bron-yr-aur)
    
    Yeah, definitely a guitarist with versatility and one of my favorites,
    but as they always say: what has he done lately?  ;')
    
    -rt- a LZ fan forever!!
    

    Yeah Alan!!!  The crowd cheers!!!  My sentiments exactly.
    
    Nice bit of trivia about "Goin' To California" always one of my
    favorite tunes and Joni is one of my favorite artists also.
    
    joe.

    
    	Is there a genre for Drooling?.???  He does that so well....
    
    BK
    

    re:165
    
    well said, but i like to add to that, is that there is more feeling
    and meaning to his style and doesn't get repetive, i'm not trying
    to knock the speedsters of today, but after awhile they sound the
    same, at least Jimmy made the albums and songs sound diffrent. i
    could listen to Led Zep all day without getting bored, the only
    speedster of today i could listen to over and over is Satch, like
    i said again I'm not putting down todays giutarists, i just like
    Jimmy's style of playing better,
    
    re:166
    
    How about Outrider,its not up to LZ standards but still is better
    than alot of stuff out there today, I like what he did on this album,
    rock on one side and blues on the other side, Did you catch his
    tour for this album he smoked live, improvement over the Firm (I
    liked the Firm also i'm not knocking that group ethier), and wait
    for the LZ reunion, he should be back in prime form,
    
    Tony
    

    
    
    Tony, I couldn't agree with you more.
    
    
    jeff

Page exerted a lot of effort on the work in the studio.  He was fairly
imaginative creating sounds.

For example the violin bow on "Dazed and Confused" and "How Many More
Times".  The double miking of the solo on "Ramble On", where one mike was
pointed at the amp, one at the far studio wall.  I think that Whole lotta
love was pretty different than anything else around 1969.  How about the
schizophrenic "Lemon Song" where there is lead on one side and rhythm on
the other.

Listening to how much Led Zeppelin is played on the radio today, and
considering that some of their stuff is over 20 years old is amazing.

    re: .172
    
    I'd agree with you Pete, but I suppose that everyone gets old and slows
    down.  Maybe the lack of creativity in many of the older rockers is
    evidence that drugs do damage the mind?
    
    Greg

    everyone has their limitions, Jimmy just reached his,
    how much more can he really accomplish, like it was stated
    early some of his stuff is 20 yrs. old and is still popular
    today, how many of todays bands will be heard be heard 20 yrs.
    from now, how many of these bands members will still be playing
    at Pages age, i would like too see some of these modern day muscians
    keep up with Page when they get as old as him, someone mentioned
    somewhere in this file. that Page will day of a heart attack if
    he tried to play up to today's guitar players, i think it wll be
    more like the other way around, excpet for maybe Satch,
    
    Tony
    

    
    
    In my Opinion in order to enjoy Page's style you have to be heavily
    into Zeppelin to appreciete his music,Just because someone can Blow
    up and down a neck at the speed of light doesn't make Him/Her a
    better Musician than the other,I really am not into Zeppelin but
    I see where you are comming from,For I am a devoted Sabbath Fan
    and I still to this day Think (IMO) that Tony Iommie is #1 in my
    eyes.
    
    tamaTrama

    .173
    
    ..or maybe it proves that when you quit drugs you're playing gets
    worse.  :-)
    
    Steve_who_sez_Page_lost_his_pizazz

	I too agree with Alan (.165) and will add that I'm surprised by how 
	infrequently I hear mention of the pre-Zeppelin work done by Jimmy 
	Page by both those who are fans and not.

	The comment earlier regarding having to be "into" LZ to appreciate
	the work by Page is non-sense especially when you consider his
	versatility, not only as shown with LZ but his prior wide-range
	workings with performers and acts.

	There's countless session work done by Page and not just the ones 
	you've probably already are ware of such as the Kinks, Joe
	Cocker, the Who, Donovan, etc. {I listed some of them somewhere
	either in this conference or ...}
	
	Some of you will probably recognize the following song list but
	here's further evidence of the diverse talents of Page.
	(Also, I'll add that I'd rather add this than to continue the
	agreement/disagreement about Page as in earlier replies.)


	"Diamonds" 
	  by Jet Harris & Tony Meehan

	"Somebody Told My Girl"
	  by Carter-Lewis & the Southerners

	"The Feminist Look"
	  by Mickey Most

	"Talking About You"
	  by the Redcaps

	"Roll Over Beethoven"
 	  by Pat Wayne & the beachcombers

	"Money Honey"
	  by Micky Most

	"That's Allright"
	  by Mickey Most

	"My Baby Left Me"
	  By Dave Berry


	"Leave My Kitchen Alone"
	  by The First Gear

	"A Certain Girl"
	  by The First Gear

	"Don't You Dig This Kinda Beat"
	  by Chris Ravel & the Ravers

	"Once in a While"
	  by The Brooks

	"Night Comes Down"
	  by Mickey Finn

	"Little by Little"
	  by The Pickwicks

	"I Just Can't Go to Sleep"
	  by The Sneekers


	"She Just Satisfies"
	  by Jimmy Page

	"Keep Movin'"
   	  by Jimmy Page

	"Is it True"
	  by Brenda Lee

	"Leaves Come Tumbling Down"
	  Judi Smith (written by Page/DeShannon)

	"Get a Load of This"
	  by Neil Christian & the Crusaders

	"You Said"
	  by The Primitives

	"How do you Fall"
  	  by The Primitives

	"Surprise, Surprise"
	  by LuLu & The Luuvers


	"Hot House of Omagarashid"
	  by The Yardbirds (previously unreleased_

	"I'm Confused"
	  by The Yardbirds (listed as previously unreleased although I have 
	                    seen it around on a Yardbirds rarity/overpriced
			    album.)

	"Garden of my Mind"
	  by Mickey Finn

	"You're the One"
	  by Philamore Lincoln

	"Just Like Anyone Would Do"
	  by The Fifth Avenue, produced by Page

	"Zoom, Widge, and Wag"
	  by Bobbie Graham

	"Bald Headed Woman"
	  by The Sneekers


	For those who don't know, the list is from a 4 album package
	entitled 'James Patrick Page Session Man' from the Led Zeppelin
	Fan Club, Manchester, England.  

	The following is a copy of the words on the back of the album
	which in my opinion are one of the best early chronology
	recollections I have ran across.


		"Jimmy page is widely regarded as one of the best, of not the
	best, ever to play guitar in rock & roll.  His timing, his strong
	rhythmic base combined with an inventive imagination, and above all
	his versatility and wide range of stylistic influences, put him in a
	league of his own.  The reason for his pre-eminence, as revealed in a
	recent series of interviews in Trouser Press magazine, has a lot to do
	with his background as a session guitarist.  During the 1960's, Page
	played on literally hundreds of records, commercials, film scores, etc.,
	for which he was required to master every imaginable style of playing, 
	and that discipline provided the foundation for his later triumphs with
	the Yardbirds and Led Zeppelin.

		Page took up the guitar after hearing "Baby Let's Play House"
	by Elvis Presley (1955).  A dedicated fan and record collector, he
	studied the playing of Scotty Moore, Carl Perkins, James Burton, and
	other pioneers of early rock & roll.  Around 1961 or '62 he joined his
	first band, Neil Christian & the Crusaders.  Christian was a sort of 
	R & B-based pop singer whose records sound quite tame by today's 
	standards, but their repetoir of Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley songs
	was considered daring at that time.  he left Christian's band before
	their first record was made, and at age 17 took more than a year off
	for art school, during which time he jammed at blues clubs and
	occasionally joined Cyril Davies' bands on stage.  It was during
	this time that someone referred some session work his way, and
	though his first two sessions were straightforward, melodic pop
	tunes, both (Jet Harris & Tony Meehan's "Diamonds" and 
	Carter-Lewis' "Somebody Told My Girl") became hits, and
	consequently Page was in demand for more sessions, which he
	found an easy source of income while avoiding the rigors
	of touring with a regular band.

		From 1963 through 1965, Page sat in on more sessions than
	he could possibly remember.  Some artists he recalls backing include
	Donovan, the Dubliners, the Everly Brothers, the Pretty Things,
	Jackie DeShannon, Petula Clark, P.J. Proby, Cliff Richard,
	Johnny Hallyday, Burt Bacharach, and Billy Fury.  On most of
	these his role was strictly to play from a written chart,
	but there were occasional session when he was called in to
	assist some raw young R&B or Merceybeat band who wanted that
	extra edge that might them the elusive hit.

		It is on these records that one can hear Page's style
	gradually developing.  On this album we have attempted to
	gather together the best of his session performances, and in
	listening to it the progression can be clearly seen.  The hot
	solos with Mickey Most and Pat Wayne in '63, his passionate
	rock & roll phrasing with Dave Berry and the Sneekers, and that
	extraordinary handful of obscure 45's on which, with today's
	hindsight, we can hear Page mapping out unknown territory
	in his use of distortion, speed, feedback, and other forms
	of experimentation that were completely unknown (and unrecognized)
	at the time.


		Listening now to records like the Primitives' "How Do You
	Feel" and "You Said", or Mickey Finn's "Night Comes Down", one can
	only wonder that Page wasn't exalted for this work the way 
	guitarists like Townshend and Clapton were for much less
	adventurous playing. two and three years later.  To this day,
	few have matched the weird intensity he achieved on the
	First Gear's "Leave My Kitchen Alone" or the eerie, echoey
	effect on the Brooks' "Once in a While".  The unfortunate
	fact is that most of these records made little impact at the
	time, and thus were never heard by those who might have
	acclaimed them.

		Of course, Page lent his hand to quite a few hits
	during his session period, most widely-known being the
	Kinks, the Who, and Them.  As he explains it: "I was mainly
	called in to sessions as insurance. It was usually myself
	and a drummer, Bobbie Graham, though they never mention
	him these days.  On the Then session, it was very embarrassing
	because you noticed that as each number passed, another
	member of the band would be substituted for by a session
	musician.  These were times I wished I'd never been booked.
	Talk about daggers!  I played on all the classics, "Here Come
	the Night", "Baby Please Don't Do".

		Shel Talmy, producer of the Kinks and the Who, was
	in the habit of keeping Page on hand in case he was needed.
	On "Can't Explain" and "Bald Headed Woman" he added some fuzzy
	guitar.  Normally when the band had a good enough guitarist,
	Page played second rhythmn or added little bits to spice
	things up.  This led to much confusion later when interviewers
	would ask Ray Davies and Pete Townshend if Page had played
	all the lead guitars on their records, arousing their
	natural indignation.

		In 1965, when Andrew Loog Oldham started his Immediate
	label, Page was brought in to do A&R, production, and some
	playing.  He participated in some blues jams with Clapton
	and others, and produced records like the Fifth Avenue's 
	"Just Like Anyone Would Do", which he also wrote.  Although
	Page was becoming quite well known, a sole single ("She
	Just Satisfies") bombed and by 1966 he had decided to
	join the Yardbirds, bringing an end to his days as a session
	man, though he has from time to time sat in on sessions for
	friends, such as the Philamore Lincoln track included here
	(referenced above).

		There are still hundreds of Jimmy Page sessions
	yet to be identified, and we hope that the appearance of
	this album will spur collectors to bring a few more to
	light.  In the meantime, we hope you'll enjoy this album
	as much as we enjoyed putting it together!"


	I probably shouldn't get into this but what the... Okay, so the
	thing that most folks are probably in agreement about is how Page 
	hasn't aged gracefully but anyone who can compare the Firm tours and 
	the not to distant Outrider tour possibly saw a more Page-like 
	performance during Outrider as I did.

	Anyhow, that it's it for now!

	- Jim

    
	Jimmy Page is writing material for his second solo album
	in collaboration with John Miles - vocals.  They should
	start recording in the new year.

	Robert Plant is putting the final touches to his new solo
	LP - it looks likely to be released through the ES Parandza
	label in early March.

	I guess, folks, that the rumours of Led Zeppelin reforming
	are once again a load of b*ll*cks!

	Flip

    Jimmy and Robert don't get along that well anymore, from what I
    understand.  Last year they played back to back nights at the
    centrum and didn't even jam together one night.  
    
    Both of their bands covered the Zeppelin material prettty well though.  
    Robert's guitarist (I don't even know who he was touring with) did a 
    pretty good job IMO on Jimmy's stuff.  I know alot of people
    watched their little HBO reunion early last year, and it was HORRIBLE!
    I would die if they ever reformed like the rest of the world is doing.
    As the band announced when Bonzo died, there will be no more Zeppelin,
    because Zeppelin was dead, Bonzo was dead.  And I personally don't
    think they could find a drummer with Bonzo's style.  I think a
    reformation would ruin what they already have established.
    
    As for Jimmy's playing, every time that I have seen him live, he
    has done pretty well.  Now, I've seen some performances on tv,
    and cable where he made a disgrace of himself.  Flip.. who is John
    Miles?  any Ideas?
    
    Also, I really don't care for Robert's new stuff as well..
                                                              
    CJ

re: .177

Jim, thanx for typing that in! I knew that Page was one of the busiest studio 
musicians in that era, but I didn't really know the details (except the big 
names). That note was great!!!

alan

     
     RE: .177
    
       Do you have the 4 record set or do you have information as to
    how to get it? 
    
    Ted
    
    

    Oh gawd I'm gonna blow a vein (did I spell that right CJ? ;^)
    out of my neck laughing!!!!!!
    
    Your p-n is KILLING ME!!!
    
    ha ha ha...
    
    /Motorbreath...maybe it's just me, but 1) I'm ROOOOOOOLLLLING!!!
    
    1) Copyright Devil Dog @1989

    re .182
    
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Between you and Barney I'm in his-terics!!!
     
    I vote it p_name of the year!!!!

	Re: .182 (Ted)

	Yes, I have a copy.  Second Coming records in Cambridge usually has
	it in its large stock of such records.  

	- Jim

	On the topic of less than perfect performances by Led Zeppelin I
	personally prefer the factors of real life entering into the
	outcome of a show rather than a so called destined to be perfect
	concert such as the recent Rolling Stones tour.

	Don't take me wrong I'm not condemning the Stones, I enjoy most
	of their earlier material.

	I am referring to the use of sequencers and off stage musicians
	to deliver what they consider a live performance.  (live by who?)

	There's two things that come out of this, 1.) some live shows
	may have well not been as good as one would expect.  2.) others
	may have been better than one would ever expect.  Both of these
	were often the case with LZ, at least from what I've heard.

	One fairly recent example is the Atlantic 40th anniversary in which
	it was quite an event but something to be savored on recording 
	medium I'm afraid not.

	I would much rather be disappointed and know that a better 
	performance was possible then to have watched/listened to a souped 
	up musical cartoon (for lack of a technical/more demeaning term).

	Many of us never saw the entire band together but no two shows 
	were ever the same from what I've read/heard.

	We can all probably imagine the rigors of touring how it can be 
	extremely tiring, etc. but that's all a part of it.  I realize
	a lot of pressure is placed on every show to be perfect but is 
	that what some people really want?  Do they want to sacrifice 
	an actual live band for an electronic mimic?  After all if that's
	the case then might as well sit home and play the recorded mediums!

	Just my opinion and open to [dis]agreement, etc.

	- Jim

	P.S. As far as the Stones or any band being too old, I think that has 
	nothing to do with it, that's just a poor excuse, something to fall
	back on.  I've always been a fan of the Stones and will continue
	to be but feel a need to express how I feel and as I said welcome
	a continued discussion since I feel it fits well with the earlier
	ranting and raving regarding Page, specifically his loss to be as
	he was 20+ years ago.

	Well fellow LZ fans. I just picked up two CD boots, LIVE AT COPENHAGEN
	and LIVE ON BLUEBERRY HILL. I'll give them a critique in the new year.

	Can't be too bad, they're from '69 and '70.

	Charlie

    
    
    re .187
    
    WOW!! where did you find those??? And were there more????
    
    jeff

	"Physical Graffiti, the Led Zeppelin Show" will be at the Channel
	on Saturday, January 20.  

	In my opinion this band is a fine compliment for any LZ fan who 
	may already have past memories of live shows, enjoys listening to 
	studio recordings and/or the vast assortment of live recordings.

	They generally perform without a warm-up act and play two full
	length sets.  Some times they even do an acoustic set.

	All in all it's a very good show and should be seen by any fan.
	If not for the enjoyment of hearing your favorite tunes played
	live the share on stage excitement they generate to the crowd
	is worth it.

	If you can't make it to this show just call 203-231-9434 for
	a recorded message of up and coming shows played through out the
	eastern states and at times the mid-western states.

	- Jim

    
    
    I've seen these guys a lot in the past 2-3 years.  They're definately
    GREAT!!  The crowd is always HUGE and they sound realy good.  I'd also
    recomend them to any Led Ze fan. - Kim

	The White is the name of a West Coast Led Zep cover-band.
	I've seen them a couple of times and also noticed ads for
	their shows in Reno.  They're pretty good, the lead singer
	Michael White, sure has all of Robert Plant's moves and
	expressions down pat.  I liked them so much the first time
	I saw them that I went and bought his album of original
	material.  Very good I think, a real good mixture of blues,
	fusion and rock.

	Besides that - The Guy's A Babe!

	Lisa

    
         Anyone have any specific info on tour/club dates in the NorthEast?
    
    Also, does anyone know how one could get in touch with the bands
    
    management for booking.
     
                             Thanks in advance,
                                 SabFan
    

    I think that Physical Graphitti only plays clubs, but I'm
    not positive (the same idea crossed my mind once, and that is
    what someone told me), and if they played a party, it would
    probably cost you a pretty penny.
    
    CJ

  New Zep Cd's---
    
      The new package will be probably 3 or 4 CD's containing their best hits
    from all their albums...with three unreleased cd tracks 1) Hey, Hey what
    can I do (only released as a B side 45. 2)Traveling Riverside Blues (an
    old blues number played live in 1969. It sounds alot like an old Johnny
    Winter song from his first columbia album JOHNNY WINTER). 3) White
    Summer ( a 8 minute version of what turned out to be Black Mountain
    Side).
    
       The main thing is that Jimmy Page is working daily in the studio
    with the engineer's on the package which will be mixed from the original 
    masters.  The songs should sound quite different than the older
    versions and soundwise better.
    
                         Rich

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From:	DECWRL::"dmlkm@ihlpy.att.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"   26-JAN-1991 15:34:51.83
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Subj:	Zep reunion 

I just got the January issue of ZOSO.
One reader wrote in to say that at the end of the Plant concert he
seen in Des Moines,  Plant went to the mike and said very sincerly
"We'll see you again when we do the reunion tour."
 
More info from ZOSO:  The info comes from the New York Attorney
for Led Zeppelin Partners Ltd.  There will be a reunion tour
beginning may of next year.  ('91 or '92?)  It will last for 120 days.
Only stadiums will be played.  Zep is guaranteed $180 mil.   Tickets
range from $45 to $75.  They will be sold by mail-order lottery only.
2 seats per order.  All seating will be reserved except for field
attendance.  Jason will be playing drums.
 
What?
 
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Subject: Zep reunion

    
    I think someone a little further back in this discussion asked about
    the symbols on the cover of the box set??  Was that the question??
    If so, the symbols were left in a wheat field in England by,
    supposedly, UFO's.  They are still unexplained at this point.  If that
    wasn't the question, ignore this...................
    
    Being a Led Zepplin fan from the first album on,  I always thought that
    they were a very inovative band, musically.  However, as time keeps
    ticking away, their music, like everyones, becomes dated.  I still
    listen to them and I always will.  But not with the frequency that I
    used too.  Just like your favorite color, not everyone will agree with
    you.  Personally, I still love LZ.
    
    
    -Tunes-

      How many people in here have actually seen a LZ concert; and I'm not
    talking about a video. I have never seen one, but from some people that
    I have talked to that are just a lil older than me, they say that they
    were very good shows. How about it anybody out there old enough to
    admit having gone to a Zeppie show?
    						The KER
    

    
    
     I'll admit to seeing them a few times, 3 to be exact. The concert
    tape "The Song Remains The Same" is a very bad example of what I
    saw. I thought all the times I saw them were very good, except for
    the tour they did for "Houses Of The Holy". It seemed they were
    really struggling with the sound and getting it together.
     I think that what alot of opinion here says about LZ holds alot
    of truth, I can understand what some can't see what the big fuss is
    about this band. The major thing is age I think. When you think about
    what other musical styles were around in late 60's, the over all way
    society was changing in major leaps and bounds, insert the first eight
    notes in Whole Lotta Love and it can truly impact you, well me anyway.
    Its no slam to anyone but I guess you would have had to been there.
    
                                                             mike
    

    
    
     Yea boy, and how about that Cuban missle crisis?
    
                                                        mike 8^)
    

This is in reply to Mr/Miss/Other Perkins (note 39.260) who seems to think that 
Zep are/were overrated, amongst other things.

Firstly,.. and this does have a strong bearing on the conversation else I 
wouldn't put it in... 
... I WAS BORN IN '67 an Zep were finished when I was 13 maybe 14! I never got 
to hear any Zep at all until 1989 when I was 22!, so certainly no media hipe 
influenced my decision that Zep were a brilliant band, and I certainly 
like many, many, many others, don't listen to them just to maintain an image.

In note 39.260 Perkins says that Zep were overrated, You correctly mentioned 
Zep had a huge cult following in the States, and not as much in England... the 
answer...America's got 20 times more population than England.
Even in the States, they did not release that many singles as other bands in 
their day, someone correct if that's not true. There may have been media hipe 
at the time about the band, But if you had a band of today that got immense 
reviews in every metal mag, would you then say they were overrated if you 
personally didn't like their musik? 

As for Page not being up to guitar solos, maybe you haven't realized that what 
happens in the studio is very different from what happens on the stage, What Zep
did in the studio with given technology WAS BRILLIANT, If you'd ever listened to
them on a live album they were ten times better, Pages guitar riffs synchronised
with Jones' bass the Bonham's drums were ten times faster and cleaner than a 
lot of bands can play live today.

Also what type of lyrics do you like, songs about evil, the devil, sex, drugs..
Not that I don't wholly approve of songs like that. But Zep sang songs that had
great emotion, and alot of songs that had immense lyrics about more 
philosophical things than just pissing about passing time.

However without outside (eg media) influences I've now got the whole of the Zep 
albums, personally for me they will be the best true band that have ever existed
as I can always find a Zep song that fits any one of my many many moods.

Aftab 

......who is also a great fan of The Skids, ACDC, Metallica, Anthrax, Warrant, 
G N' R, Hendrix, Free, Deep Purple, Whitesnake, Halen, Thunder, 
......and LOADZ LOADZ MORE !!!

BTW.. the new SKID ROW album "Slave to the Grind" is also an immense album 
..... damned heavy!

    re: -1
    
    	FWIW - Flip is a female, not a guy as you stated in your
    	title....
    

    re: -2
    
    and FWIW, I agree with Flip...Zep is overrated and often irritating.

    
    They inhale with excessive velocity! 8-)

    
    Nah, they invented Blues metal.

    Speaking of ZEP, what song comes after Kashmire(sp) on the Pfysical
    Graffitti album?
    
    Another question, anyone have a copy of this album or tape they 
    want to sell?
    
    Chris D.

    
    
    Black Sabbath created heavy metal!!!
    
    
    Goddess F.

    re: -1
    
    Correct! You win a free copy of Mystic Powers "Life in the Fast Lane
    1"! 8-)

    
    What, do I need to post the lyrics to After Forever again?

    
    	Let me count all your assumptions...You assumed we're all too
    	young (whatever the * that means), engineers, musicians,
    	and who knows what else you think every one is.
    
    	Chow,
    	- Jim

    and you know what happenz when you ASS U ME ...

    but Pete and Buck what?

    
    Owning every album made by an overated, untallented and irritating band
    is nothing to be proud about.  Perhaps if you stopped buying their
    albums the band could die the death which should have happened years
    ago.
    
    Flip

    They've wrote a few good songs but I fail to see the talent that made
    them the supergroup status.

    So, by general consensus:
    
    
    
               LED ZEP SUX!
    
    
    
    
    GAZ

    Personally,i think they were excellent. But they split up in 1979/80
    which is 11/12 years ago now,so it`s a bit silly to still harp
    on about them. 
    
    Though no one can deny their influence on loadsa bands.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

 FOADYSOBS, so long...

    
    
    Everybody cut the sh(t.
    
    
    You either like them or you don't.
    
    
    Whats the use arguing about it?

    
    
       Who's arguing?  (^8*
    
        Oh and what about the people who 'kind of like them, kind of
        don't' ?
    
    
    GAZ

    I agree wif Flip. Just let them die. 

    re .402
    
    I couldn't agree with you more!!!! 
    
    
    Jeff

    re .409
    
    According to who???? 
    
    re .422
    
    They split up years ago so it's silly to harp on about them????
    
    Oh and I suppose you don't like any bands from years ago?? 
    
    
    jeff
    

    Led Zeppelin Rulz!

    YES..........Some people who love Led Zeppelin!!!!!!
    
         Zep will forever live!!!!!!!!
    People with good taste in music will always love them!!
    
       Millions of people can never be wrong!
    
    
              Give me ZEP or death!
    
                       Frizkid
    

     Oh yea.....
    
       Jesse how about we just let YOU die!
    
     
                            Frizkid
    

    YEA, Jesse! :^)

    Robert Plant played down a local pub a few weeks back...no word of a 
    lie!
    
    He played at a small pub in a rough area of Reading. The only reason
    i knew about it was a day after the gig,when i noticed a bunch of free
    tickets stapled to a wall covered in various concert/record posters.
    
    It was an "official looking" ticket,with "admit one free...strictly
    no photographers/reporters...Robert Plant UK pub tour 1991.
    
    Pretty smart thing to do for a bloke who has sold millions of albums,
    i thought. Just annoyed i missed it.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    
    Page was/is a heroin addicted alcoholic who was good in the studio
    FOR HIS TIME, but completely inhaled live. That is, when he wasn't
    too smacked out and/or drunk to even play.
    
    Plant was/is nothing special except for his ability to whine several
    different ways.
    
    John Paul Jones was a great bassist.
    
    Bonzo was a mediocre drummer at best. The only thing that saved him
    was his ability to do drum solos and fast pedal work. Other than
    that he was a drunken loser.
    
    /prc

    re::Pete
    
          Live was were Led Zeppelin shined!
    Concerts then are much better than now!!!!!
    Back then they didn't have the record companies breathing down they
    neck to produce the album.
        Don't you like improv.? That was the amazing thing about 
    Zep........Their ability to Improv!!!!!
    
      PLant did/and still does set thge trend for most all young singers!
    
        Jones......You forgot a great organist,arranger,and many,many
    different things!!!!!
    
      John was one of the greatest rock drummers of all time!!!
    His triplets and bass pedal work was/and is wonderful!
    Listen to Good times,Bad times!!!!
    
    
            Repent you evil sinner!!!!
    
    
                          Frizkid
    

    
    Okay, his triplets were also killer.
    
    /prc

      If you watch "SONG REMAINS THE SAME" it's amazing how he can 
    kick so much @ss on a little five piece kit!!
     He was very exicting to watch and is a killer drummer!
         It's not about how much he drank or what the man was a about.
    The simple fact was/is he was he shined like the sun when he was on
    that kit!
    
                       Frizkid
    

    Led Zeppelin Rulz!
    
    
    
    R eaps
    U seless
    L oser
    Z ealots.
    
    
    
    retal em knaht

    futile, Jesse.

    
	RE: .433
    
	If you would like to contribute something other than how much they 
	suck or how much you enjoy them then please feel free to press KP7.  

	You're welcome to continue discussing the former as long it's
	constructive criticism.  Let's leave the seesaw debate under this 
	note where it apparently belongs.

	- Jim

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Note 18.3                         Robert Plant                            3 of 3
SOURCE::ZAPPIA "Air conditioned daydream"            10 lines  18-JUN-1991 02:31
                      -< Kidderminster 12/89? Charity Gig >-
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    	Back on 12/89 Plant did a charity gig in his home town of
    	Kidderminster with a local band performing the songs, "Born
    	to Run", "Spirit in the Sky", "She Don't Love Me, She Loves My
    	Automobile", "Every Breath You Take", "All Along the Watchtower",
    	and "Rock and Roll".
    
    	There is possibly a video of this.
    
    	- Jim

    
    	There's a conference dedicated to LZ?
    
    	Geez!!  [Insert various tidbits about system resources being
    	wasted on such drivel, etc.]
    
    							GTI

RE -1

Maybe if we didn't have such a boring, futile, argument about whether they were 
any good, we WOULDN'T be wasting system resources, If ya don't like Zep and 
can't be big enough to accept that millions of others do like 'em, it just shows
your narrow mindedness. 

kids-talk.

Me I love loadsa different music,...

Zep were IMMENSE, there's no denying....
FOADYSOB's, 
HAHA,..
I'm outta here

Aftab.
(s**k it)

    
    Likewise, you should learn to accept that many people can't stand them.
    
    Flip

    If you were around then, if you were listening to the music that was
    coming out then, you would know why some of us think that LZ is the
    greatest.  They offered a musical style that nobody else did at that
    time.  Nobody could sing like Plant, nobody could play like Page,
    almost nobody was as good on bass as Jones, and nobody ruled the beat
    like Bonnam.  Nowadays, so many recordings have spawned from LZ music,
    that "newcomers" are sick of LZ before they even hear them.  That's all
    they've been listening to for years.  Know what I mean??
    
    Chris D. who_thinks_LZ_was_the_greatest_and_will_always_be.

    
    
    OBVIOUSLY..
    
    Its all a matter of opinion!
    
    If you just don't like the music, you can't convince someone to
    suddenly like it!
    
    and vice versa
    
    Goddess F.

    changing the subject of like and dislikes rapidly...
    
    there was a tv programme on saturday night that was about the
    entertainment business,they had a clip of some kids show from the 50's
    and the question was,who is the famous person in this band made up of
    13 to 15 year olds??Turns out they were meaning Jimmy Page!!It was
    pretty funny watching this kid posing in a picture with a guitar and
    his neatly groomed hair.Later on he was interviewed by the host and his
    voice hadn't broken yet,sounded a lot like Mark Slaugter %)
    
                                                  Staynz

    One thing I've noticed from YEARS of wading through this conference: I
    don't think anyone ever changed their opinion about a band they liked
    because someone else thought they s*cked.  I don't like the Grateful
    Dead in any way shape or form - they don't s*ck, they just don't appeal
    to me.  
    
    Scary (who says we've already got 1 garbage note ...)

    
    re: .442
    
    Don't let the door lob your penis off on the way out!
    
    /prc

    
    	RE: Chris D.
    
    	FWIW, (and I haven't read all the hullabaloo around this
    	conversation) I think the reason why a lot of the people
    	my age don't care for LZ (and I don't either but I don't
    	think they inhale either) is because stations like AAF
    	*constantly* play their music over and over again.  
    
    	They were big when they were in and that's great.  Maybe
    	it's time for WO60s (8 like WODS (Oldies 103) that plays
    	all the music from that generation. (8 (8
    
    	tigg~~~~ 

    
    	Geez, pretty soon I'm going to have to start moving "Mutterings"
    	replies to this note ... it'd be easier!!
    
    	8^)
    							GTI

    AAF plays a lot of LZ??  When?  I listen solely to AAF and I rarely
    hear any LZ.  Stations do have a way of making nice sond sickening,
    like when Tesla was at the AAF station and played "Signs".  I thought
    that was pretty neat.  Since they did it at the station, AAF decided, I
    guess, to show it off.  Day after day, hour after hour, they played
    that song.  Now, I HATE IT!!!
    
    Chris D.

    
    	RE: Chris
    
    	I hate it, too... can we hate it together? (8
    
    	RE: AAF playing LZ
    
    	I don't think they do it so much now. It seems their formatting
    	has changed quite a bit but I do remember them playing a lot
    	of it last year (?) or within the last few years anyway....
    	
    tigg~~~~

    
    re
    Chris 'n' Tigg~~~
    
    I liked signs!!.....probably because rock music never gets played on
    the main radio stations and you never really get sick of hearing it
    
    
                                                 Staynz
    
    
                                          

    Can we move this "Signs" stuff to the Tesla topic and get back LZ
    bashing.

      HA!!!!!!!!
    HA!!!!!!!!
    
       I LOVE IT!
    
              GOOD CALL GREG!
                              FRIZKID
    

    
    	For Zepp' fans in the Boston area, WBCN has designated this month
    "Zepptember". All month long they are playing more-than-their-usual
    amount of Led Zepplin along with the usual promotion sh*t (e.g. free
    books, posters, CDs, etc.). I only get to listen to BCN every now and then
    but it appears they are doing at least one tune per hour with the
    occaisional two or three tunes in a row. I still haven't caught their
    regualar feature at 10:00 pm, "Get The Led Out", to see what effect this
    month has had on it (I usually just get out of the record store about
    that time and I'm on my way to the local watering hole so I usually
    miss it).
    
    				Drew L.
    

Today WZLX became WLED and played all Led Zeppelin songs.

Right now they are playing the Stairway to Heaven/Gilligan's Island song.  I've
never heard it.  It's great!!!

Tim

    Teaser!  8(

This is from Led Zeppelin Mailing List in Internet. Enjoy!

Toshiaki Tanaka



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Contents of this file:

-Abbreviations
-Administrative info about the list
-Who was in Led Zeppelin?
-When and where was Zeppelin formed?
-How and when did John Bonham die?
-What are Zeppelin's songs/albums?
-Should I buy the boxed set?  How about _Remasters_?
-So what _is_ the fourth album called, anyway?
-What's the deal with those symbols?
-What the heck is that thing on the cover of _Presence_?
-What's up with the album version of _ITTOD_?
-What's Zeppelin's best song/album?
-What about (song title) (and who's Roy Harper)?
-Are there many references to J.R.R. Tolkien's work in Zeppelin songs?
-Didn't Zeppelin copy (song title) from (blues artist)?
-Why aren't there more unreleased Zeppelin songs?
-How does the band feel about bootlegs?
-So how do I get these bootlegs?
-Which bootlegs should I start with?
-How about videos?
-Are there any books about Zeppelin?
-Are there any magazines about Zeppelin?
-How do I get lyrics, tabs, GIF's, etc. of Led Zeppelin?
-How do I get Zeppelin collectbles (the legal kind)?
-What have the guys done since the band broke up?
-I heard Led Zeppelin's getting back together!!!
-What's this new Page/Coverdale album all about?
-Hey!  Did you know that (band name) was on Swan Song?
-_The Song Retains The Name_--what is it?
-Who is Dread Zeppelin and what does the band think of them?
-Did Page invent bowing?
-Is that Jimmy Page I hear on TV?
-Is Jimmy Page a Satanist?
-What about the messages in "Stairway To Heaven"?
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Common abbreviations found in this file and the Zeppelin mailing list:

FAQL = Frequently Asked Questions List
HHWCID = Hey Hey What Can I Do
HOTG = Hammer Of The Gods
HOTH = Houses Of The Holy
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
IMTOD = In My Time Of Dying
ITTOD = In Through The Out Door
JPJ = John Paul Jones
LZ = Led Zeppelin
STH = Stairway To Heaven
TSRTS = The Song Remains The Same
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Who was in Led Zeppelin?

James Patrick Page (b. 9 January 1944 in Heston, Middlesex)  "Pagey"
John Baldwin (John Paul Jones) (b. 3 January 1946 in Sidcup, Kent)  "Jonesy"
John Henry Bonham (b. 31 May 1948 in Redditch, Worcestershire)  "Bonzo"
Robert Anthony Plant (b. 20 August 1948 West Bromwich, Staffordshire)  "Percy"

Zeppelin's manager was Peter Grant.
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When and where was Led Zeppelin formed?

A brief chronology:

Jimmy Page joins The Yardbirds in June of 1966, first playing bass, then
dual lead guitar with Jeff Beck, then replacing Beck in November of the
same year.  In December, John Paul Jones does string arrangements for The
Yardbirds' album _Little Games_.

In 1967, Robert Plant and John Bonham come together in The Band Of Joy.
In March of the same year, Jeff Beck releases a solo single entitled
"Hi Ho Silver Lining," which is backed with a Page composition entitled
"Beck's Bolero".  This song is recorded by Page, Beck, Nicky Hopkins,
John Paul Jones, and Keith Moon.  At this session Moon and John Entwistle,
who are tired of The Who, discuss forming a band with Page and Beck.
It is here that Moon announces that they should call the group Lead Zeppelin,
becuase, "...it'll go over like a ***in' lead balloon!"  The "a" was later
removed from "Lead" so that Americans would pronounce it correctly.

In April of 1968, Page, Jones, and Bonham play on Donovan's "Hurdy
Gurdy Man," and Jones asks to be part of any new group Page is considering
forming.  The Band Of Joy breaks up in May.  On 22 June 1968, it is
announced that Keith Relf and Jim McCarty are leaving The Yardbirds.
In August, Page, Yardbirds' bassist Chris Dreja, and Peter Grant travel
to Birmingham to see Plant in a group called Hobbstweedle.  Plant is
offered the vocalist job in Page's new band in August after visiting Page's
home.  In the same month, Dreja drops out and is replaced by Jones.  Plant
then recommends Bonham for drums, and a tireless campaign convinces Bonham
to turn down more lucrative offers from the likes of Tim Rose and Joe
Cocker.  In September, the 4 play their first rehearsals at Gerrard Street,
London.  Beginning September 14, they play their first tour, still billed
as the New Yardbirds.  They record _Led Zeppelin I_ in October, and play
their first gig as Led Zeppelin at Surrey University October 17.
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How and when did John Bonham die?

On 24 September 1980, Bonham left Worcestershire to meet with the group at
Bray studios for rehearsals for the upcoming US tour.  He drank quadruple
screwdrivers steadily along the way.  After the rehearsals, the band retreated
to Page's Windsor house, where Bonham continued to drink and then passed
out.  At around 1:45pm on 25 September, sound technician and Plant roadie
Benji Le Fevre checked on Bonham to find out why he hadn't stirred.  There
was no pulse.  A doctor arrived and pronouced Bonham dead at the scene.
A subsequent coroner's inquest revealed the cause of death to be accidental--
Bonaham choked on his own vomit after drinking the equivilent of 40 measures
of vodka.  Alcohol poisoning may have been involved, but was not positively
determined.  On December 4th, 1980, Led Zeppelin issued the following
statement:

We wish it to be known that the loss of our dear friend and the deep respect
we have for his family, together with the sense of undivided harmony felt
by ourselves and our manager, have led us to decide that we could not
continue as we were.

Led Zeppelin
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What are Zeppelin's songs/albums?

The following is by no means a complete discography, but covers the
principal releases of the band in the US.  Singles are, in all but one
case, ignored.  For a more complete discography consult Dave Lewis'
_A Celebration_ or contact maes@prl.philips.nl.

_Led Zeppelin_ (January 1969)
Good Times Bad Times, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, You Shook Me, Dazed &
Confused, Your Time Is Gonna Come, Black Mountain Side, Communication
Breakdown, I Can't Quit You Baby, How Many More Times

_Led Zeppelin II_ (October 1969)
Whole Lotta Love, What Is And What Should Never Be, The Lemon Song, Thank
You, Heartbreaker, Livin' Lovin' Maid (She's Just A Woman), Ramble On,
Moby Dick, Bring It On Home

_Led Zeppelin III_ (October 1970)
Immigrant Song, Friends, Celebration Day, Since I've Been Loving You,
Out On The Tiles, Gallows Pole, Tangerine, That's The Way, Bron-Y-Aur
Stomp, Hats Off To (Roy) Harper

"Immigrant Song" b/w "Hey Hey What Can I Do" (1970)  US Single

_Untitled_ (November 1971)
Black Dog, Rock And Roll, The Battle Of Evermore, Stairway To Heaven,
Misty Mountain Hop, Four Sticks, Going To California, When The Levee
Breaks

_Houses Of The Holy_ (March 1973)
The Song Remains The Same, The Rain Song, Over The Hills And Far Away,
The Crunge, Dancing Days, D'yer Mak'er, No Quarter, The Ocean

_Physical Graffiti_ (February 1975)
Custard Pie, The Rover, In My Time Of Dying, Trampled Underfoot, Houses
Of The Holy, Kashmir, In The Light, Bron-Y-Aur, Down By The Seaside,
Ten Years Gone, Night Flight, The Wanton Song, Boogie With Stu, Black
Country Woman, Sick Again

_Presence_ (April 1976)
Achilles Last Stand, For Your Life, Royal Orleans, Nobody's Fault But
Mine, Candy Story Rock, Hots On For Nowhere, Tea For One

_Soundtrack From The Film The Song Remains The Same_ (October 1976)
Rock And Roll, Celebration Day, The Song Remains The Same, The Rain Song,
Dazed And Confused, No Quarter, Stairway To Heaven, Moby Dick, Whole
Lotta Love

_In Through The Out Door_ (August 1979)
In The Evening, South Bound Suarez, Fool In The Rain, Hot Dog, Carouselambra,
All My Love, I'm Gonna Crawl

_Coda_ (November 1982)
We're Gonna Groove, Poor Tom, I Can't Quit You Baby, Walter's Walk,
Ozone Baby, Darlene, Bonzo's Montreaux, Wearing And Tearing

_Led Zeppelin_ (4CD boxed set) (October 1990)
Selections from the studio albums, with the addition of "Hey Hey What
Can I Do," a live in-studio "White Summer/Black Mountain Side," a live
in-studio "Travelling Riverside Blues," and a Page amalgamation of "Moby
Dick" and "Bonzo's Montreaux".  The non-US version, later released in the
States, is entitled _Remasters_, is a 2CD set, and contains one song not
on the 4CD set ("Good Times Bad Times").  All tracks are remastered from
the lowest generation tapes available to Page and George Marino.
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Should I buy the boxed set?  How about _Remasters_?

The sound quality of both is incredibly improved over the US CD releases.
For that reason alone either is worth getting, at least until such time
as Page remasters the remaining Zeppelin tracks and Atlantic reissues the
10 original CD's.  As for the "unreleased" material--"HHWCID" is available
on the "Immigrant Song" single, "Traveling Riverside Blues" is a staple
of AOR radio, and there are many versions of "White Summer" superior to
the one released on the set.  The packaging is outstanding.  From there,
you'll have to make up your own mind.

_Remasters_, the short version of the set, differs only in the number of
songs offered and the presence of "Good Times Bad Times," which is not
on the 4CD set.  Its value to those who already own the 4CD set is principally
that of a collector's item.  But it is a viable (and cheaper) alternative to
the larger set.  Again, make up your own mind.
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So what is the fourth album called, anyway?

Nothing.  It's officially untitled.  It's commonly referred to as Four
Symbols, ZOSO, and most often simply Led Zeppelin IV.  The album, as
originally released, carried absolutely no band or title identification
anywhere on the jacket.
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What's the deal with those symbols?

Page's symbol, while _not_ standing for "ZOSO" or any combination of
letters, is a mystery.  Plant reports being told exactly once what it
means, but has since forgotten.  Jones' symbol came from a book of runes
and is said to represent confidence and competence.  Bonham's came from the
same book, and represents the man-wife-child trilogy.  It has also been
remarked that it is the symbol for Ballantine Beer.  Plant, like Page,
designed his own symbol, and the feather in the circle is based on a sign
of the ancient Mu civilization.
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What's that thing on the _Presence_ cover?

It's called The Obelisk, and was designed by Hipgnosis (the design company)
to represent Led Zeppelin's "force and presence."  It is not supposed to
refer to the Monolith of 2001.
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What's up with the album covers for _In Through The Out Door_?

There are 6 different covers, each showing the same scene from a different
point of view.  The album originally came in a plain brown wrapper.  An added
bonus--the inner sleeve, when dampened, changes color.
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What's Zeppelin's best song/album?

This is a purely subjective opinion--there's no right answer.

Albums--_IV_ has sold the most copies, though it never hit #1 (it was behind
Carole King's _Tapestry_).  Critics and fans usually pick either _IV_ or
_Physical Graffiti_ as the best, though the most often cited by musicians
as being influential is _II_.  Plant's fave is _PG_.

Songs--"Stairway To Heaven" is the most-requested and most-played rock song
of all time.  It was never released as a single, so comparisons to "End Of
The Road" are not applicable.  The band seems to feel that "Kashmir" captures
the essence of the band better than any other song, though Page and Jones
profess abiding love for "STH," and Page is proud of "Achilles Last Stand."
Plant loathes "Stairway."
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What's up with (song title) (and who's Roy Harper)?

A few notes about individual songs:

"Dazed And Confused"--The Yardbirds performed this with different lyrics
    	    	      as "I'm Confused".

"Black Mountain Side"--Viram Jasnai plays tabla.

"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper"--Roy Harper is an English folk musician who
    	    	    	    toured (not in the performance sense) with
    	    	    	    Zeppelin and with whom Page and other Zeppelin
    	    	    	    members have often worked.

"Bron-Y-Aur"--A cabin where Zeppelin often retreated for composition and
    	      relaxation.  It means "The Golden Breast".

"Black Dog"--The title came from a black dog that wandered in and out of
    	     the studio during the _IV_ sessions.

"The Battle Of Evermore"--Sandy Denny (of Fairport Convention) on vocals.
    	    	    	  Her parts were handled live by John Paul Jones.

"D'yer Mak'er"--pronounced like Jamaica.

"Boogie With Stu"--Stu is Ian Stewart, the Stones resident pianist.
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Are there a lot of references to J.R.R. Tolkien works in Zeppelin songs?

Not really.  "Ramble On" and "The Battle Of Evermore" feature direct
references, but that's it.
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Didn't Zeppelin copy (song title) from (blues artists)?

Yes, no, and maybe.  Here's a partial list of covers, credited and
otherwise:

"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You"--Anne Bredon

"You Shook Me," "I Can't Quit You Baby," and "Whole Lotta Love"--Willie Dixon

"Dazed And Confused"--Jake Holmes

"Black Mountain Side"--traditional, Bert Jansch, John Renbourn

"The Lemon Song"--Chester Burnett, Albert King, Robert Johnson

"Traveling Riverside Blues"--Robert Johnson

"Since I've Been Loving You"--brief lyrical nod to Moby Grape

"Gallows Pole"--traditional

"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper"--traditional, Bukka White

"Black Dog"--vocal arrangement based on Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well"

"Rock And Roll"--drawn from Little Richard's "Good Golly Miss Molly/Keep A
    	    	 Knockin'"

"When The Levee Breaks"--Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy

"Custard Pie"--some Bukka White material

"In My Time Of Dying"--traditional, Bob Dylan

"Boogie With Stu"--Richie Valens

"Nobody's Fault But Mine"--Blind Willie Johnson

"We're Gonna Groove"--B.B. King, J. Bethea

So is this thievery?  With the exception of the uncredited Willie Dixon
tunes and the lifting by the Yardbirds of Jake Holmes' "D&C," anyone
who understands the blues tradition knows that theft is an irrelevant
concept within that musical genre.  Besides, as was the case with "Traveling
Riverside Blues," often the Zeppelin version bore little if any resemblance
to the original.
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Where's all the unreleased stuff?

There are very few unreleased _studio_ Zeppelin songs, as most of the
extras have appeared on _PG_ and _Coda_.  There are quite a few jams
and alternate takes to be had, however.  As far as professionally-
recorded live audio and video, most of this still resides in Page's
vaults, though most of the soundboard bootlegs of the past few years
are taken from tapes stolen from his house.
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How does the band feel about bootlegs?

First of all, a few definitions-"bootlegs" are, in this case, defined as
live concert recordings, studio outtakes, radio broadcasts, and similar
material neither released nor sanctioned by the band or its management.
They are not to be confused with counterfeit copies of legitimate releases,
which are uniformly denounced and actively prosecuted by the law.

In the past, Peter Grant used to make surprise stops in record stores to
destroy any Zeppelin bootlegs he found.  He also confiscated or destroyed
any microphones and recording equipment he found at concerts.  Since then,
however, the band has mellowed considerably on the subject.

Jimmy Page:  "_Coda_ was released, basically, because there was so much
bootleg stuff out.  We thought, 'Well, if there's that much interest,
then we may as well put the rest of our studio stuff out.'"  The much-
discussed chronological live album has not been put out by Page, becuase,
"there are so many bootlegs around that people who are interested have
probably made up their own compilation."  He also has said, on the
possibility of more studio outtakes being released:  "Ah, no.  There's
some great live stuff.  But there's also some great live bootlegs, ha
ha. Thank God they're there and thanks to the people who send me these
things.  I listen to them and go, 'My God, that was good.  I wish it
had been recorded on the line.'"

Robert Plant has often been known to autograph bootlegs, and all three
members have from time to time requested copies of some of the better
known productions.  And a Page fan reports meeting Page and giving him
a copy of a 10-album Zeppelin bootleg set.  Page said, "Thanks," and
continued walking on, as rock stars usually do when fans hand them
something.  But when he saw that the gift was a bootleg, Page stopped,
went back to the fan, and said, "Thanks!  This is great!"

Page's opinion of boots has soured somewhat since the release of
_Outrider_, however, as his house was broken into during the early
recording stages.  Among the items stolen were the demo tapes for
what was to be a 2-album release (rather than the 1 that came out),
numerous studio outtakes and live soundboard recordings which have
since flooded the market, and the pro-shot Knebworth video from
8-11-79.
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So where do I get bootlegs?

This is a difficult subject for the list, as we are dealing with an
illegality (though a not-very-well-enforced one).  Specific info on
bootlegs and traders will not appear in this FAQL, nor should the
actual transfer of material appear in the list itself.  Caution should
be excercized for the protection of both the list and the traders
themsleves.  Having supplied the necessary disclaimers...

Small (non-chain) record stores that advertise "New-Old-Used" records
almost always carry bootleg albums and CDs, as well as some out-of-print
stuff.  _Goldmine_ and _Record Collector_ magazine can be scanned for
sources.  Tape trading, the most popular form of collecting, is usually
restricted to individuals rather than organizations or companies.  You
should also know that many bootleg collectors/traders frown on the "selling"
of bootlegs, although beginning collectors are often restricted to that
option.

Most often, simply posting to the list and stating your desire to find
unreleased Zeppelin material will start the ball rolling.  Note that the
discussion of bootlegs is in no way illegal.
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Which bootlegs should I start with?

This is a very short list of the most popular collections/shows culled
from _A Celebration_ and ZOSO Magazine.  Apologies if your favorites were
left out:

The ZOSO Top Ten CDs:
Tour Over Europe '80 (Zurich), Moonlight/Dinosaur, Dallas '75, Classics
Off The Air I, II, & III, Blueberry Hill, Live In San Francisco, Destroyer
(Archive version), Stokes '73, Rotterdam '80, Silver Coated Rails/Rock &
Roll

Recommendations culled from a special ZOSO feature and _A Celebration_:

LP's--Bonzo's Birthday Party, Cologne 1980, Copenhagen Warm-Ups--The 2nd
Night, Feel All Right, Fillmore West 1969, V 1/2 (Highway or TMQ), For
Badgeholders Only, Going To California, How Many More Times, Knebworth
(Stork), Live At The Budokan, Pb (a/k/a Mudslide), No Quarter, Tangible
Vandalism, Three Days After, 214, 207.19, LA Forum--A Night At The Heartbreak
Hotel, Persistence, Live at the Chicago Stadium, Bonzo's Last Ever Gig In
Berlin, The Can, In The Light '69-'85, Something Else, Hiawatha Express,
The Making Of Friends, Studio Rehearsals May 1970, Inedits, Out Through The
Back Door, The Last Rehearsal, Listen To This Eddie, Strange Tales From The
road, Alpha Omega, White Summer, Live at the London Lyceum, Bath Festival
1970, My Brain Hurts, Quantient, Bonzo's Birthday Party

CDs--(in addition to above list)--Something Else, Studio Daze, Last Stand/
Final Touch, Jennings Farm Blues

Tapes--2-1-69 Fillmore East, 4-7-70 Raleigh NC, 9-29-71 Festival Hall Osaka,
6-9-71 Charlotte NC, 6-19-72 Seattle, 6-25-72 The Forum LA, 10-4 & 10-9-72
Osaka, 5-5-73 Tampa, 5-13-73 Mobile AL, 5-14-73 New Orleans, 5-19-73 Fort
Worth, 7-6-73 Chicago, 7-21-73 Providence, 7-26-73 Buffalo, 2-12-75 MSG NY,
2-28-75 Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, 3-5-75 Dallas, 3-10-75 San
Diego, 3-24 & 3-25 & 3-27-75 LA Forum, 5-(15,18,23,24,25)-75 Earls Court,
6-7-77 MSG NY, 6-19-77 San Diego, 6-(21,25,27)-77 LA Forum, 7-23-77 Oakland,
8-11-79 Knebworth, 7-2 & 7-3-80 Mannheim

Videos--Danish TV 1969, 1-9-70 Royal Albert Hall, 1-21-75 Chicago, 2-8-75
Philadelphia, 3-75 Seattle, 3-24-75 LA Forum, 5-18-77 Birmingham, 7-23-77
Oakland, 7-11-79 Knebworth, 7-5-80 Munich

Note that there's duplication and overlap in the above lists.  A few notes
about formats--the quality of CD releases is only occasionally better
than other formats, but the permanence and playback advantages of CDs
have convinced many collectors to concentrate on them.  The CDs are
not always tracked well, though--track markers are often misplaced or
missing altogether.  LPs suffer from quality problems with repeated
playback and scratching, but have the advantage of better packaging.
Tapes are the cheapest option, and suffer the most from successive
generations of copies.  However, they have two significant advantages:
many shows on have never appeared on CD or LP, and complete concerts
are much easier to obtain on this format (CDs and LPs exhibit the so-called
"slice and dice" mentality of bootleggers trying to meet time requirements
and still make money).
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How about videos?

_The Song Remains The Same_ (1976)
Directed by Joe Massot and Peter Clifton, recorded live at Madison Square
Garden July 27, 28, and 29, 1973, and at various locations.
Autumn Lake, Bron-Y-Aur, Rock And Roll, Black Dog, Since I've Been Loving
You, The Song Remains The Same, The Rain Song, Stairway To Heaven, Dazed
And Confused, Moby Dick, Heartbreaker, Whole Lotta Love, Stairway To Heaven

_The First Cuts_ (1990)
Outtakes from TSRTS.  Recalled.

_Supershow_ Virgin Vision VVD 167 (September 1986)
Recorded live at Staines Studios on March 25, 1969.
Dazed And Confused

_Rock Aid Armenia_ Virgin Video VVD 636 (November 1989)
Supershow D&C plus the Firm's video for "Satisfaction Guaranteed"

That's it for legal stuff.
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Are there any books on Zeppelin?

Many.  Few good ones, though.  The key resources are:

Led Zeppelin Complete--(piano) Music from the first 5 albums.

Led Zeppelin--(music) A 2-book companion to the 4CD set, features notation
    	      and tabulature for all instruments used on the boxed set
    	      tracks.  The transcription is excellent, though the lyrical
    	      interpretations leave something to be desired.

Led Zeppelin--Howard Mylett

Led Zeppelin In The Light--Howard Mylett and Richard Bunton

Led Zeppelin In Their Own Words--Paul Kendall

Led Zeppelin A Visual Documentary--Paul Kendall

Led Zeppelin Portraits--Neal Preston--This book is a must-have, as Preston
    	    	    	was an "offical" photographer and knew better than
    	    	    	anyone how to capture Zeppelin's mystique.

Led Zeppelin The Final Acclaim--Dave Lewis

Led Zeppelin The Book--Chris Welch

The Illustrated Collectors Guide To Led Zeppelin--Robert Godwin--Another
    	    	    	must-have, covers the legal and bootleg
    	    	    	discographies on vinyl and CD.  3rd edition.

Led Zeppelin A Celebration--Dave Lewis--The principal resource for this
    	    	    	    FAQL.  Incredible.

Led Zeppelin Heaven And Hell--Charles Cross and Erik Flannigan, with Neal
    	    	    	    Preston--another key resource for this FAQL.

Jimmy Page:  Tangents Within A Framework--Howard Mylett

and, of course:

Hammer Of The Gods--Stephen Davis--The band denounces it, and it is mostly
    	    	    the rememberings of tour manager/perpetual addict
    	    	    Richard Cole, whose own book is much more valuable
    	    	    for these insights.  Readers should know that Stephen
    	    	    Davis once claimed quite seriously, in an interview
    	    	    for a Zeppelin fanzine, that Jimmy Page had put some
    	    	    sort of curse on him.  Read at your own risk.
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Are there any magazines about Zeppelin?

Yes.  The biggest one is:

ZOSO Magazine	    	    	    	$28 per year US
41 Sutter St., Suite 1495   	    	$30 Canada
San Francisco, CA  94104  (USA)	    	$50 overseas

Others include:

Oh Jimmy    	    	    	    The Ocean
P.O. Box 80287	    	    	    46 Brairwood Drive
Lansing, MI  48908  (USA)   	    Westwood, MA  02090  (USA)
 
Oh Jimmy - The Jimmy Page Fanzine
Via Pedritti N. 12
41015 Nonantola (Modena) Italy

Electric Magic - a Zeppelin fanzine from Woodbridge Ontario.
The magazine comes out every month.  Subscriptions rates are
$35 Canadian for Canada, and $35 US for US.
 
Mailing address:    	    	phone: 416 850-2089
186 Bordeaux Dr.
Woodbridge Ontario
Canada L4L 8B6
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Info on lyrics, tabs, GIFs, etc.:

***(NB:  this area is under construction.  Info is not guaranteed, and
         sources remain incomplete and unverified)***

Lyrics--correct lyrics for the Zeppelin catalog are largely unavailable.
The lyric transcription in the boxed set folio is terrible, the lyrics
in _Complete_ are deliberately incorrect in places, and there are no
canonical sources for the rest.  _Presence_, for instance, remains a
particularly hard album to complete lyrics for.  See addresses below.

Tabs--the boxed set folio has excellent tabulature (and standard notation)
for vocals, all guitars, bass, drums and percussion, keyboards, and all other
instruments.  See addresses below.

GIFs--See addresses below.

One good on-line source for info is our own Maurice, who has available
the following information:

-lyrics (long)
-tour & bootleg info (long)
-list of bootlegs with songlists (long)
-singles (a short list)
-list of LZ covers by other artists (medium)
-list of covers Played live by zep (medium)
-info about Page's sessions (long)
-list of anagrams :-)
-list of video boots (short)
-list of books and mags (long)
- A long Jim Zappia file of roots of Zep songs
-lots of other stuff I saved...

FTP sites with Zeppelin info include:

ftp.nevada.edu	pub/guitar  	(tabs)
sumex-aim.stanford.edu	info-mac
    	    	    	fonts	(_HOTH_ font)
    	    	    	card	(Hypercard stack of Zeppelin info)
    	    	    	sound	(Zeppelin samples)

Below, unedited, are the results of an ARCHIE search for ftp-able Zeppelin
sites.  Sincere thanks to Kevin Rauch for doing the search.

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Where do I get Zeppelin collectables (the legal kind)?

Super-collector Rick Barrett can be contacted at:

Rick Barrett
PO Box 66262
Houston, TX 77266-6262
fax 713-680-0325

ZOSO Magazine is also a source, as well as any of the music mags, your local
t-shirt/poster shop, etc.
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What did the members of Zeppelin do after the band broke up?

Jones recorded the soundtrack for _Scream For Help_, with the assistance
of Page and Yes' Jon Anderson.  He has produced Mission UK and his daughter
(Jacinda Jones), as well as a group he referred to as "industrial flamenco":
La Sura Dels Baus.  He has done string arrangements for Cinderella's
_Heartbreak Station_ and REM's _Automatic For The People_, and appeared in
Paul McCartney's movie and soundtrack for _Give My Regards To Broadstreet_.
He appeared on stage with Plant once in December 1983, during the _Principle
Of Moments_ tour.  He has composed for and performed with the early music
ensemble Red Byrd.  He appeared on and assisted with Ben E. King's reunion
tour and album.  He professes his interests to be in keyboards and dance
music, rather than rock.

Plant has released 5 solo albums--_Pictures At Eleven_, _The Principle
Of Moments_, _Shaken 'N' Stirred_, _Now & Zen_, and _Manic Nirvana_.
In addition, there is a _Little by Little Collector's Edition_ EP.
He was the vocalist for the Honeydrippers' only album, which also featured
Jimmy Page on "Sea Of Love" and "I Get A Thrill."  He has appeared on the
_Porky's_ and _White Nights_ soundtracks, and also an album of Elvis covers.
He contributed vocals for the song "The Only One" on Page's _Outrider_.
He is reported to be at work on his sixth solo project, though rumours that
guitarist Doug Boyle is tired of touring have surfaced.  And, of course,
he did a Diet Coke commercial.  Rumours of a relationship with Canadian
singer Alannah Myles were true.  He is currently not married, and has
2 children (Carmen and Logan).

Page released the soundtrack to the film _Death Wish 2_.  He has jammed
extensively, with (among others) Jeff Beck, Yes, Foreigner, Bon Jovi,
Aerosmith, Poison, Eric Clapton, Ian Stewart, Roy Harper, Alexis Korner,
Robert Plant, The Beach Boys, Jaco Pastorius, Solid Ground, and even
Harry Connick, Jr.  He appeared on albums by Willie and The Poor Boys,
Stephen Stills, and Box Of Frogs (an ex-Yardbirds reunion).  He teamed up
with Paul Rodgers of Bad Company, Tony Franklin from Roy Harper's band (last
seen with Blue Murder) and Chris Slade of Manfred Mann (now with AC/DC)
to create The Firm, which released 2 albums--_The Firm_ and _Mean Business_.
He participated in the British and American versions of the ARMS tour (to
benefit MS) with Clapton, Beck, Steve Winwood, Bill Wyman, and other
luminaries.  He guested on two tracks from Plant's _Now & Zen_ album,
"Heaven Knows" and "Tall Cool One."  And he released a solo album entitled
_Outrider_ with Jason Bonham on drums.  He is married and has two children.

Bonham, surprisingly enough, made it past the grave as the drum track
to Frankie Goes To Hollywood's hit "Relax," as well as being extensively
sampled for rap beat compilations.

Peter Grant is working on the much-lamented Malcom McLaren movie, details
of which are best gotten from our British friends.
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Reunions, reunions, reunions...

First of all--as of this writing, Zeppelin is _not_ getting back together.

A brief history:

XYZ--a project combining elements of Yes and Zeppelin.  Chris Squire
reports that he has tapes of things that he, Alan White, Page, and
possibly Jones (though no one knows for sure) were involved in.  The
project crashed for lack of a vocalist--namely, Plant.

Live Aid--On 13 July 1985, the 3 living members of Zeppelin, along with
Paul Martinez (from Plant's band) on bass, Tony Thompson (of Chic) on drums,
and Phil Collins (who had to fly over after his performance at Wembley)
on drums, appear at the Live Aid festival at JFK Stadium in Philadelphia.
They performed "Rock And Roll," "Whole Lotta Love," and "Stairway To Heaven."
Plant was hoarse from 4 consecutive nights of singing and a morning
rehearsal, Page's guitar was out of tune, Collins and Thompson were lost
much of the time, and Bill Graham, who was promoting, was pointing at his
watch all through "STH" because Zeppelin was taking more than their allotted
time.  Ten days later, Page joined Plant on his solo tour for a few encores.

Reunion #1--In January of 1986, Zeppelin and Tony Thompson met in secret
in a village hall near Peter Gabriel's Bath studios.  Plant handled bass
chores while Jones played keyboards.  They worked through "..two or three
things that were quite promising, a sort of cross between David Byrne and
Husker Du."  But it was not to be--Plant was not used to having to deal
with Page's eccentricities any longer (he reportedly changed the batteries
on his wah pedal every other song), and Tony Thompson was injured in a car
accident.  Plant walked out.

Hammersmith Odeon--17 April 1988, Page joins Plant's tour for a blistering
encore featuring "Trampled Underfoot," "Gambler's Blues/I Can't Quit You
Baby/Since I've Been Loving You," and "Rock And Roll."

Atlantic 40th--14 May 1988--A 12-hour tribute concert for Atlantic Records,
which came to a climax with Zeppelin's performance featuring Jason Bonham
on drums.  Jason played well, but the night is generally considered a
disaster.  The rehearsal was reportedly brilliant.  The evening arrived with
the band better rehearsed than they had been at Live Aid.  But the concert
ran late, upsetting Page's always fragile nerves, which caused him to drink
even more heavily than usual.  Plant was refusing to sing "STH" up until they
actually went on stage.  The sound men for the TV broadcast completely lost
the keyboard sound for "Kashmir."  Plant was bumped by a fan during the same
song, and forgot the lyrics to one verse and to "STH" later on.  Page's
solos were mostly a disaster.  The set list was:  "Kashmir," "Heartbreaker/
Whole Lotta Love" (the Knebworth '79 arrangement), "Misty Mountain Hop," and
"Stairway To Heaven."

Carmen Plant--The band played at Carmen Plant's 21st birthday party, with
Jason once again on drums.  Set list was "Trampled Underfoot," "Misty
Mountain Hop," and "Rock And Roll."  November 1989.

Jason's Wedding--The band also reformed for Jason Bonham's wedding, playing
"Bring It On Home, "Rock And Roll," "Sick Again," "Custard Pie," and Jerry
Lee Lewis' "It'll Be Me."  Both this and the previous performance were said
to be outstanding.  28 April 1990.

Knebworth '90--Page joined Plant's band (despite rumours and even the official
set list announcing Led Zeppelin's presence, Jones was nowhere to be found)
for "Misty Mountain Hop," the first-ever Page-led performance of "Wearing
And Tearing," and "Rock And Roll."  Page had stood on the sidelines earlier
as Plant's band ran down "Immigrant Song" and "Going To California."

Reunion #2--The following January, the members of Zeppelin met with Peter
Grant to discuss a reunion tour.  Lighting and sound companies were contacted,
stadiums were quietly reserved.  After badgering Plant in public and private
about the reunion, Page thought he had finally convinced him to go along
with it.  Both Page and Jones had expressed varying degrees of enthusiasm
for the idea.  But Plant, after agreeing to the tour and breaking for lunch,
came back one hour later and said no.  This angered Page immensely, and
given Plant's continuing bad-mouthing of Zeppelin in the press, he set out
to show up Plant.  Which leads to...
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What's with this Page/Coverdale project?

The project, currently entitiled _North And South_ and slated for a
March release (though this is the 5th date since April of 1992),
features Page, David Coverdale of Whitesnake, Ricky Phillips of Bad
English on bass, and Danny Carmassi of Heart/Montrose on drums.  It
is rumoured to be an outstanding album by those, including Jason
Bonham, who have heard it, with complex times and rhythms that hearken
back to such songs as "TSRTS" and "The Ocean."  Producers are Page and
Mike Fraser.  Further info from Geffen or Page has not been forthcoming.
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I saw the Swan Song logo on a non-Zeppelin album!

Swan Song artists included Bad Company, Pretty Things, Maggie Bell,
Detective, Dave Edmunds, Midnight Flyer, Wildlife, Robert Plant, and
Jimmy Page.  Signed but unreleased artists include Mirabai and Metropolis.
Bobby Parker was never signed, though considered.  Richie Sambora claims
he was signed to Swan Song for a time.
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All about _The Song Retains The Name_:

This is a collection of Zeppelin covers by rock/metal bands.  It may
be available from:
    	    	       Mad Rover Records
                       Dept. CZ,
                       Box 22243
                       Sacremento, CA 95822

Track listing:

Black Dog               The Royal Mixxers with KGIG and Konan Kelley
Living Loving Maid      Rich Hardesty & The Del Reys
   (She's Just A Woman)
Down By The Seaside     Robert Kuhlmann & Flying Boats
Good Times, Bad Times   Dalai Lamas
Four Sticks             Earwigs
Immigrant Song          Headface
In The Evening          Twice Shy
No Quarter              I Love Ethyl
What Is And What        Helen Keller Plaid
   Should Never Be
Houses Of The Holy      Fool Killers
Rock And Roll           Tent Poles

Further info will be posted when it becomes available.
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Who is Dread Zeppelin and how does the band feel about them?

Dread Zeppelin are a group of musicians playing reggae, often using Zeppelin
and/or Elvis songs as the material.  Their albums have contained progressively
less Zeppelin content.  They were, at the outset, extremely satirical in 
nature.

Page hates them.  Plant loves them.  Jones' opinion has not been noted
but is almost assuredly the same as Plant's.
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Did Page invent bowing?

No.  It was suggested to him by a session violinist whose father was the
actor David McCallum, but it had been done before.
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Is that Jimmy Page I hear on TV?

If you're watching the beginning of "The Wonder Years," the answer is yes.
Again, no attempt will be made to cover the extensive and largely unknown
Zeppelin discography here, but a few significant Zeppelin appearences
include:

_Lucifer Rising_--Page did the incredibly annoying, headache-inducing
    	    	  soundtrack.

_Whatever Happened To Jugula?_--Page and Roy Harper, acoustic.

_Right By You_--Stephen Stills solo album, with Page on 2 tracks.

_Dirty Work_--Rolling Stones, Page on "One Hit (To The Body)".

_Their Satanic Majesties Request_--Rolling Stones--Jones did the string
    	    	    	    	   arrangements for "She's A Rainbow".

"With A Little Help From My Friends"--Joe Cocker's famous cover, Page.

"You Really Got Me," and "All Day And All Of The Night"--The Kinks, though
    	    	    	the band denies Page's involvement.

"Gloria," "Baby Please Don't Go," and "Here Comes The Night" by Them, Page
    	    	    	on guitar.

"Can't Explain"--The Who, Page on rhythm guitar only.
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Is Jimmy Page a Satanist?

Jimmy Page is a collector of occult books and paraphanalia.  He is interested
in religion and spirituality to the point of considering, in an interview,
"...getting a degree in theology."  He was a devotee of Aleister Crowley,
a famous English occultist (and, perhaps, Satanist) to the point of buying
his old residence.  He often quoted Crowley, most notably on the runoff
matrix of _III_.  So is he a Satanist?  He says no, the band says no.  There
is no reason to speculate further.

Rumours persist that the band sold its souls to Satan in exchange for
power, fame, wealth, etc., and that Jones was the only one to refuse.
The various disasters which have befallen the band are often used to support
this theory.  However, there is absolutely no evidence for this, the band
denies it, and in the words of Zeppelin biographer Charles Cross:

"Rereading these comments, while lying in a room that Jimmy Page, the
person--the human being--once occupied, I can't believe the heartlessness,
the meanness, the utter inhumanity of those remarks.  From mud sharks to
pacts with Satan, the public seems to suspend normal human empathy when
talking about Led Zeppelin, accepting preposterous malice of the sort that
would never be accepted if it were directed toward anyone outside of rock
'n' roll.  Have you heard anyone describe a successful business executive
as having sold his soul to Satan?  Wouldn't we laugh this comment off
instantly if applied to anyone else, anyone working in any other art form?
Can one _really_ believe that a pact with Satan is possible, and if so isn't
_that_ the big story here?"
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I heard there were backward messages in "Stairway To Heaven".

You're not alone.  This rumour has persisted ever since a California
committee of parents and religious leaders set out to prove that rock
music was leading our children down the path to the devil.  For reasons
still unknown to rational minds, they decided to play some albums backwards,
and professed to hear all sorts of messages in songs like Queen's "Another
One Bites The Dust," anything and everything by Styx and ELO, Rush's "Anthem,"
the Stones' "19th Nervous Breakdown," Skynyrd's "Freebird," The Eagles'
"Hotel California," and most notably the most-requested rock song of all
time, Led Zeppelin's "Stairway To Heaven."  A cynic might wonder why nearly
all the titles named were huge hits, just like many wonder why believers
in reincarnation were always someone famous in a past life.

A definition is useful here--"backmasking" is the process of either:
1) recording a message backwards on a tape meant to be played forwards,
or 2) the "hiding" of messages within forward phrases that, when played
backwards, reveal another phrase.

So does backmasking exist?  Andy Johns, the producer of _IV_, says that
not only is "backmasking" a myth, but that there was no such nonsense
while he was present.  Certainly, since the advent of the "backmasking"
scandal, groups such as ELO and Pink Floyd have used the technique to
poke fun at people who would actually play records backwards.  Most of
the bands named in such accusations tend to ignore the outcry, for as
Jones commented in _Rolling Stone_, there's absolutely no arguing someone
out of something they really want to believe.  But the idea of backmasking
is uniformly considered ludicrous by musicians and producers alike, and
they're the ones that would be responsible for the process.

Despite the denials of the people involved, let's assume that these
messages do exist.  Are they effective?  If they were subliminal messages
played _forward_, then scientists agree that the brain could and would
process the information.  But scientists are also convinced that the
brain cannot decipher backwards information unless it is specifically
engaged for that purpose.  Therefore, even if backmasking _did_ exist,
it would be useless.  Plant:  "If it worked, every record would have the
backward message 'BUY THIS RECORD' in it!"  So much for Satanic intent.

And specifically, as regards "Stairway To Heaven"--there are many messages
that various groups have claimed to hear while playing the song backwards,
but the most uniformly cited is the phrase "Here's to my sweet Satan."
Not all listeners that hear backward phrases are in agreement here, however,
and not even close to all who hear the song backwards hear messages at
all.  Many of those who do hear "something" dismiss it as a mere phonetic
coincidence.  And few of those who do hear the exact message given were
unaware of the accusations against Zeppelin and "STH" before they listened
to the song.  Therefore, overwhelming evidence supports the conclusion that
such messages do not exist, and if they did they would be useless, and
even if they weren't they are almost assuredly accidents aided by the power
of suggestion.  But still, this rumour will not die.  Perhaps it is relevant
to note that the same committee who found "STH" to be Satanic in nature
also claims that the theme song from the "Mr. Ed" TV show is full of
Satanic messages when played backwards.

(Sincere thanks to the MIT Psych. Dept. and the Boston Globe for assistance.)
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Hi All,

Here's my bootleg collection of Led Zeppelin. I put it on Zeppelin note 
conference before. As the moderator, Jim Zappia, left Digital, the conference 
doesn't exist anymore. It's a pity!
Anyway, I post it here again. 
 
The rating varies at poor->fair->good->very good->excellent->superb.

1.April Fools Day(Paris 4/1/73) 

Excellent sound-board recording although the begining of the tape is distorted.
The performance is very good.


2.Brussels Affair(Forest National, Brussels,Belgium 6/20/80)*

Excellent sound-board recording. The performance is not bad as 1980.
But I feel less magical atmosphere about Jimmy's guitar play.
Plant's voice is a shot, but his desparate singing style is neat enough.


3.Ballroom blitz(London, England 10/12/69 #344)*

The sound quality is not so good.(Fair audience recording.)
The performance not bad, I think.


4.Destroyer(Cleveland, USA 4/27/77 #353)*

Superb sound-board recording.The performance is good.
I think Jimmy's guitar play is weakened just because of drug addiction.
(It is still plenty of punch though.)
Plant's voice is also in a decline, but he tries to sing skillfully with a 
lower tone in order to compensate it.(It is succsessfull enough.)


5.Electric Magic(Madison Square Garden, New York, USA 7/29/73)*

Outtakes of The Song Remains the Same movie. The Song Remains the Same and 
Rain Song are the same track as official album, I think.
Excellent sound-board recording.  Jimmy's guitar is mixed very aggressively!!!
I like it.
Robert's shout at the very beginning of Rock'n'roll is unfortunately out of 
tune, but the overall performance is good.


6.Fillmore West 69(Fillmore West, San Francisco, California, USA 1/9/69,
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, USA 7/28/73)*

This consists of two parts namely Fillmore West and Madison Square Garden.
Fillmore West is the majority as the title designates.(The set list is 
naturally very early including As Long As I Have You medley and Pat's Delight.
Fillmore West is superb sound-board and excellent performance.
Nevertheless, the mix is fairly strange.
Guitar, base and drums are surely sound-board, but vocal is just like audience 
recording.(They don't match at all.)
Had the vocal been the same level, the disk could have been the earliest 
perfect sound-board.
Madison Square Garden is Dazed and Confused only. It is excellent sound-board 
and very good performance.(I think this is also an outtake of The Song 
Remains The Same Movie like Electric Magic(Madison Square Garden, New York,
USA 7/29/73).)

7.Jennings Farm Blues(Olympic Studios, London, UK 1-7/70  Maple Leaf Gardens,
Toronto,Ontario,Canada 9/4/71)*

Excellent Sound-board Recording.
This is a compilation of Studio Rehearsal and Live.
The performance is good enough.


8.Live in Dallas,1975(Dallas,Texas,USA 3/4/75)

This is a good album.  The performance is no problem as 1975.
Superb sound-board recording.


9.Live On Blueberry Hill(Los Angels, USA 9/4/70 #376-#377)

Superb audience recording. The performance is excellent.
At first, I thought it was a good sound-board. But I distinguished it since
audience claps were recorded too closely.(This is unbelievably clear 
audience recording.)
I think Plant was at the height as a "hard-rock singer".(I can tell it 
because he sang Immigrant Song perfectly at that time while he sometimes failed
in the following years.) 
Naturally Jimmy magically plays the guitar to enchant audience.
(It sounds a little bit rigid compared to 1973, but I still love it!!!)
This is a must!!!!!


10.Live at Filemore West(San Francisco, USA 4/27/69 #370)

The performance is acceptable. 
Good sound-board recording.(Partially the master tape is spoiled.)


11.Mess Of Blues(Playhouse & Paris theatres, London, England 6/27/69-3/25/71 
#381)*         

Excellent sound-board recording. The contents and sound source is the same as
White Summer except Whole Lotta Love.(It's taken from BBC ZEP 1971.)


12.Mobile Dick(Mobile,Alabama, USA 5/13/73)*

Excellent sound-board recording, but the mix is not aggressive enough 
compared to Electric Magic. The performance is Okay.


13.Upwardly Mobile(Mobile,Alabama, USA 5/13/73)*

This is a sequel of Mobile Dick.


14.Killing Floor(San Francisco, USA 4/27/69 #366)*

This is a copy of Live at Filemore West. The sound quality is inferior.


15.Stairway to Heaven(BBC Paris Theatre, London, England 3/25/71)

Superb sound-board recording. I like this.
This is the same sound source as BBC ZEP, but it contains Immigrant Song,
Heartbreaker, Since I've been loving you, and Black Dog.

16.Stand By Me(Osaka, Japan 10/04/72-10/09/72)*

Very good audience recording. The performance is very good.
Although Plant's voice is occasionally raucous, it is much better than his later
years.Jimmy is just great!!!
Dazed and Confused is not listenable due to production error of the CD.

17.Studio Daze(Olympic Studios, London, UK 1-7/70  
Polar Music Studios, Stockholm, Sweden 11-12/78
Fabulous Form, Los Angels, California, USA 6/3/73
Electric Ladyland Studios, New York City, New York, USA & Olympic Studios, 
London, UK 1-8/72)

Superb sound-board recording.
This is a compilation of various studio outtakes and Live.
The performance is excellent.

18.Tales of Storms(Budokan, Tokyo, Japan 9/23/71)*

Good audience recording. The performance is excellent. 
The overall impression is similar to the abovementioned Stairway to Heaven
(BBC Paris Theatre, London, England 3/25/71) because of the set list and 
performance quality.
But the big difference is that audience reaction was directly recorded.
I personally prefer sound-board, but this is an exception.
It was the very first concert in Japan, so they were pretty excited.
I enjoy what they were yelling out such as "Let go!!!!!","You cool, man!!!",
"F**king great!!!" in Japanese.
Actually, a sort of riot broke out during Communication Breakdown at the end of
concert and the performance suspended.

19.Zoso's Back To Rock'n'roll(Metropolitan Sports Center, Minnesota, USA 1/17/75
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada 9/4/70
Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto, Ontario, Canada 9/4/71)

Excellent sound-board recording.
This is a mixture of studio reheasal and live performance.
Maple Leaf Gardens is an exact copy of Jenning Farm Blues, but the sound 
quality is much more clear.(Maybe this is the master tape?)

20.Winterland(BBC Studios 6/9/69-6/24/69)*

Excellent sound-board recording.
THis is a studio recording in BBC. It's very interesting to hear it.
The performance is rather rough in comparison with official album, but I like 
it!!! 

21.White Summer(Playhouse Theatre, London, England 6/27/69 #401) *

Superb sound-board recording.The performance is irreproachable!!!!
It's a radio show live and the hall is not so big.
You can hear angry-young Zeppelin here!!!
A must have!!!

22.Listen to This Eddie Part 1 - 3 (21/06/77 The Forum, Inglewood, California)*

Excellent audience recording. The performance is awesome as 1977.
(Maybe the best in 77?)

23.Plays Pure Blues(Texas International Pop Festival, Dallas International
Motor Speedway, Dallas, Texas, USA 8/31/69)*

Excellent soundboard recording. Killer performance!!!(Off course, it's 1969)
Another must have!

24.Shivers'n'Shakes(Memorial Drive, Adelaide 19 Feb. 1972, Kooyong Tennis 
Stadium Melbourne 20 Feb. 1972)*

It is very rare item beacuse there have been quite few boots of Australian
tour.
The sound quality is good audience recording and the performance is very
good.
It was the turning point for Robert Plant. He was different from Stand by Me
of the same year. He managed to hit high-pitched notes. Rock'n'Roll was sang
in the same manner as the studio album. But I feel his voice was getting
weaker(compared to Tales of Storms, 5 months ago) 'cause he made some mistakes
in singing Immigrant Song.

(Note)I put "#xxx" when it's contained in Illustrated Collectors Guide.

    
    Rumor has it that they are releasing ANOTHER boxed set that contains
    the songs that were left out of the first one.
    

    Another?!?!?  So this is the third.....   There was that first one with
    the 4 CD's.  Then they had that ad on TV for another set of 2 CD's for
    40 friggin bucks or whatever....  And now another?
    

Howdy,

This is what I heard on the mailing list. It will be supposedly released on 
Mar 23. 
I am personally pleased that How Many More Times is remasterd.

Toshiaki Tanaka


   Disc 1 - Good Times Bad Times
            We're Gonna Groove
            Night Flight
            That's The Way
            Baby Come On Home (previously unreleased)
            The Lemon Song
            You Shook Me
            Boogie With Stu
            Bron-Yr-Aur
            Down By The Seaside
            Out On The Tiles
            Black Mountain Side
            Moby Dick
            Sick Again
            Hot Dog
            Carouselambra

   Disc 2 - South Bound Saurez
            Walter's Walk
            Darlene
            Black Country Woman
            How Many More Times
            The Rover
            Four Sticks
            Hats Off To (Roy) Harper
            I Can't Quit You Baby
            Hots On For Nowhere
            Living Loving Maid (She's Just A Woman)
            Royal Orleans
            Bonzo's Montreux
            The Crunge
            Bring It On Home
            Tea For One

P.S. The chronological live album doesn't seem to be ready yet. I cannot wait!

>   Disc 1 - Good Times Bad Times
>            Baby Come On Home (previously unreleased)

I heard this song in the bootleg namely Olympic Gold.
This is very R&B, or gospel song. It was recorded at the same time as Led 
Zepplin I. It's a good song. Plant is brilliant.

Toshiaki Tanaka

    well I have the other 2 "sets"....can't wait for this one!!
    
    Jeff

    
    	I need the lyrics to the song "Stairway to Heaven". Please 
    send me a copy viz email if you have one!
    
    	Thanks a whole bunch!
    
    	Tle 

...a millionaire and his wife, a movie star, the professor and Maryane here
on Gilligans Isle 

Oops wrong version of Stairway...

Tim

    
    	"Stairway to Gilligan's Island" ... what a great song!!
    
    	Haven't heard that for over a year!!
    
    							GTI

    Do you want the superior Rolf Harris version?
    

    Does anyone have the actual release date for the 2nd box set??
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike
    

    
    I thought March 21st was the date. 
    
    
    
    

    Re. -.2
    
      This Christmas!

    
    	Yesterday on the radio, I heard the new single from Robert Plant, I
    	think it s*cks.
    	In england it's in the charts, anybody know why?
    
    	...SJ..
    	

    I heard, and thought it wasn't bad.
    
    Plant is at least innovative, and doesn't
    rehash all ex-Zep riffs, which is all Page has
    done (mostly poorly) since Zeppelin.
    
    /Mike...who has heard some P/C and is not impressed

I have heard it and I agree  with Mike.  Plant refuses to live in the past
and does music the way he wants to.  I find that his albums stand the test
of time even though they don't leap out and grab you the first time you
listen.

I'm also still trying to decide whether I like Coverdale/Page.

Tim

    The plant stuff sux!

    
    I agree pretty much with Buckley.. the more I hear the Plant song, I
    don't like it.
    
    But, the thing with PLant is, yeah he doesn't have to live in the past
    and play similar music, that's because he can get different musicians
    for every album. Jimmy Page can only play guitar like Jimmy Page.
    I think Coverdale/Page sounds *VERY* little like Zep. Page has become
    more heavier in his guitar playing, which I like. And Coverdale's
    voice is still powerful, while Plant's just continues to fade.
    
    

    While I like most of Plant's solo stuff, the new single doesn't seem to
    do much for me.  I remember thinking it was pretty boring the one time
    I've heard it so far.  Sounded like bad rehash stuff from his other
    solo works to me.
    
    re: Chris
    
>    I think Coverdale/Page sounds *VERY* little like Zep.
    
    Maybe that's true of the album in general, but I'd sure disagree
    regarding all the singles they've released.  I think they sound very
    Zep-like on those.  
    
    gh

    
    
    
    Re: gh
    
>>    While I like most of Plant's solo stuff, the new single doesn't seem to
>>    do much for me.  I remember thinking it was pretty boring the one time
>>    I've heard it so far.  Sounded like bad rehash stuff from his other
>>    solo works to me.
  
    	I thought it sounded very cluttered? I mean Plant was singing
    	over the violin solo... 
    
>>    Maybe that's true of the album in general, but I'd sure disagree
>>    regarding all the singles they've released.  I think they sound very
>>    Zep-like on those.  
    
    	Yeah, maybe Pride And Joy has a hint of Zep, but Shake My Tree?
    	I don't think that sounds anything like Zep. Sure it sounds
    	like Page's guitar playing, cuz, well, he's Page, but the song
    	in general sounds different then Zep.
    
    	Even in Whisper A Prayer For The Dying, Page goes off into
    	this Pantera type riff. Zep would NEVER have played that song.
    
    

    re: Chris
    
>    	Yeah, maybe Pride And Joy has a hint of Zep, but Shake My Tree?
>    	I don't think that sounds anything like Zep. Sure it sounds
>    	like Page's guitar playing, cuz, well, he's Page, but the song
>    	in general sounds different then Zep.
    
    I'm not arguing with you, dude.  I haven't heard much of it, maybe 2-3
    songs.  They all sounded Zep-ish to me.  I don't know any of the song
    titles, so those references are lost on me...
    
    gh

    
    Yeah I know, but I'm trying to keep the conference alive. ;')
    

    
    
    
    I think the vocals in 'Shake my Tree' have Plant written all over
    them...
    
    

To me Shake My Tree sort of sounds like a cross between In My Time Of Dying
and Nobody's Fault But Mine  (with all the starts and stops)...

Tim

    
    re: .483
    
    whit, was that a sad attempt at a joke???  :')
    
    plant... tree....  :')
    

    C'mon Chris... 
    every single I've heard, including Shake my Tree DEFINITELY
    sounds like Zeppelin.
    
    Also, Zeppelin copped so many different musical styles,
    blues, country, etc., that they most likely WOULD have
    had something that sounded like the song you mentioned.
    
    /Mike

    
    
    RE:.485
    
    ;')

    
    	re .475:
    
>>Plant is at least innovative, and doesn't
>>rehash all ex-Zep riffs, which is all Page has
>>done (mostly poorly) since Zeppelin.
    
    
    	/Mike, you are propably right about Plant beeing more innovative 
    	that Page lately. Still I like what Page does, he is definatly a
    	damn good guitarist and you can hear that on this last album.
    	I mean, why try to be innovative come what may? 
    	All I can say about the Plant song is: innovative but lame. 
    	Page/Coverdale: well done rockmusic, maybe a bit old fashioned but
    	what the heck? 
    	
        ...SJ...
    	

    
    Exactly. I mean if it sounds good, and it's full of talent, why knock
    it? It's not like they just sound like Zep Zeppelin, but page *WAS*
    Zeppelin. That's the point. I could understand if Coverdale started
    a band with a bunch of Zep clones, but the fact is, it's
    Coverdale/Page... And I think it blows PLant's stuff off the face
    of the planet.
    
    

I personally think Zeppelin  worked well because Bonham and Jones could
keep things under control when Page went off on tangents.  The rhythm section
in Zeppelin was very underrated.

Tim

    >Exactly. I mean if it sounds good, and it's full of talent
    
    
    Except it DOESN'T sound good! And Coverdale could be considered
    *talent* if he was trying to be an impersonator!
    
    I'm not all that thrilled with Plant's latest either BUT at least it's
    refreshing and it's nice to hear Plant doing Plant than Coverdale
    trying to sound like him!
                             Rat

    
 >>   Except it DOESN'T sound good! And Coverdale could be considered
 >>   *talent* if he was trying to be an impersonator!
   
    	That's pretty narrowminded wouldn't ya say? 
    
    	*I* think it sounds great. Shake My Tree is one of the best
    	songs I've heard lately. I think the whole album is great.
    
    	So are you pissed that he can do Plant better than Plant?
    	I think it's rather amusing...
    
     
 >>   I'm not all that thrilled with Plant's latest either BUT at least it's
 >>   refreshing and it's nice to hear Plant doing Plant than Coverdale
 >>   trying to sound like him!

    	Coverdale does Coverdale. he sounds like Robert Plant. end of 
    	story. Get a grip, darlin'.
    
    
    

    
    

    Okay... since I'm all in favor of beating dead horses...
    I'll settle this WHOLE thing.
    
    a) Page is a burned out ex-guitarist that MAY currently be
    	relearning the guitar enough to sound decent in the
    	studio
    b) It's not a mystery that Coverdale is a Plant wannabe. With
    	Coverdale/Page, the idea is obviously to recreate Zep. Please
    	listen to Coverdale using the weenie falsetto to imitate 
    	Plant's Zep work. It's painfully, horribly obvious what the
    	intention is.
    c) Shake My Tree is a ridiculous song. The first single was much
    	better.
    d) Plant's latest single may be lame (I don't think it's bad) but
    	it's his own music. He knows he's not the Plant of Zeppelin,
    	and doesn't try to recreate it. He can't sing that way anymore
    	anyway
    
    Come one... this C/P project is a Zeppelin reunion thing, without
    	Plant, that's all. Doesn't John Paul Jones play bass in the
    	band? If not, that was the original rumor anyway. 
    Page is a shell of the musician he used to be. He teams up with 
    great musicians, and the resulting projects end up being less
    impressive than the efforts of the people he works with.
    
    Case in point :  The Firm... Paul Rodgers made it work, but it
    	sure wasn't great.
    
    
    /Mike

    re. /Mike
    
    	thankyou thankyou....point very well made! :^)
    
    re.  Get a grip, darlin'.
    
    
    	pppffffttttt.....only in your dreams! ;^)
    
                                                 Rat

    
    well all I can say is, I like it.
    
    

    
    	re. 495:
    
    	me too!
    
    	...SJ...

>I personally think Zeppelin  worked well because Bonham and Jones could
>keep things under control when Page went off on tangents.  The rhythm section
>in Zeppelin was very underrated.

    I have to agree.  They were also excellent at following him.  There's
    one short shot in "The Song Remains The Same" where you can see Jones
    and Bonham looking at each other in puzzlement.  One of them (I don't
    remember which) mouths "What's he doing?" to the other who simply shook
    his head and grinned.  They stuck with him without missing a beat.
    
    A good friend of mine, an amazing guitarist in his own right, once told
    me that he thought that if a band had a bass player and drummer that
    were really hooked up, it didn't even *matter* what the guitarist did
    over it, it would still sound good.  I've seen it happen too.
    
    Page was ok, but it was the whole band that made the sound.
    
    gh
                                                                      

    Anyone heard the new song "Baby come on home" yet?? Recorded in 1968.
    It'son a single. Any comments??
    
                                      stig

    I've heard the new song a couple times now, and I like it.  Robert
    Plant's voice sounds mint on it.  I don't really care for the music
    that much, but the best part of the song is just hearing old
    unmistakeable, long lost Zepplin.  No one, not even Robert Plant himself
    now could match that voice he had then.  
    
    This song IMO is much better than any of the unreleased stuff that came
    out on CODA.
    
    |KS|
    

    Kenny,
    
    I couldn't have said it any better -- no one could match the voice
    Robert Plant had...come to think of it, who would want to??

    where was page in this song??? was he too messed up to play any
    notes??? oh..i know..he was screwing around with that ouija board
    again...
    
                            stigga
    

    I like it...it is great to hear some 'new' "old" Zep...I also enjoy
    Traveling Riverside Blues...These 2 are much better than what came out
    on Coda..So, is there anything else hiding out there?????
    
    Jeff

    I heard that when they first started off, they use to do
    train kept a rollin, they are probably others if jimmy would
    only release them it would be great.
    
    tony
    

    jimmy probably forgot about other ones anyway...

Heard on the radio they are going to do an MTV UnLedded special with Page, Plant
and Jones.

Tim

    Hi,
    
    I was traveling around US last month. I went to Boston then.
    I was able to contact Jim Zappia, who was the moderator of the Led
    Zeppelin note conference. I was very sad that the conference
    disappeared after Jim left Digital in 1992, summer. 
    Anyway, I met Jim and he looked fine. He is now in some volunteer work.
    He was working in London and just came back after 6 month stay.
    He said "Hi" to everyone who he got to know through note conference.
    Unfortunately, he doesn't have any access to internet or something.
    He said that he would have it later, so that we can correspond with him
    again.
    
    Regards,
    
    Toshiaki Tanaka

    BONZO,the Belgium fan's loves you

    Thanx!
    
    But I think you meant the other BONZO....
    
    
    Bonzo   ;^)

    There may be only one the greatest.
    And that was............................yes...............................
    the other one.
    
    
                              jopi

    I heard the unplugged version of "Gallows Pole" for the first time on
    the radio yesterday.  Ugh, what tripe!  Page was completely out of
    time!  I mean really, *I* could play it *that* well...  On the other
    hand, I didn't think Plant's voice was as awful as I've heard people
    say it was.  Oh well...
    
    Greg

    well if you could, darn it, maybe I could too!

    I sat through it this morning on MTV and I'm quite saddend to see these
    guys who were the biggest,most influential band of the 70's relegated
    to living off past glories.In my eyes,they would have kept a lot more
    musical integrity and self esteem(if this is teh phrase I'm looking
    for) if they had just stayed away from the whole music scene.
      The mighty Led Zepplin is now reduced to a couple of silly old farts
    rehashing stuff form their glory years.
    
    
    						ian

    At least Paul McCartney still has talent!

>    well if you could, darn it, maybe I could too!
    
    I can probably play like Page now, you can probably sing like Plant. 
    We can be the Zep of the 90s.
    
    Gh

    
    Mike
        Paul Macartney hasn't wrote a decent song in years.
    
    
    						ian

    Paul is dead.

	Speaking of Paul and the boys, I rented "Back Beat" the other
	night. It's the story of Stu Sutcliff, the original bassist for
	the Beatles in their Hamburg year(s). Pretty good movie. It's
	always nice to see Sheryl Lee (from Twin Peaks) naked and the
	music was pretty good.

							mike

    
    	I think that's Sherilyn Fenn.
    
    							GTI
    

Page and Plant today isn't all that bad after all. Give em a break. Compared
to tons of other "heroes of yesteryear" they still have a lot of weight. After
all, they did NOT play "Stairway to Heaven"! And considering that they are one
of the most (the most?) influential bands in history they sure play it pretty
low-key after all. THey could have gone out and "re-formed" and the masses would
have poured $$$ on 'em. 

Witness the Eagles, now theres really a bunch of sorry old farts. Balding, potbellied
has-beens whose trite re-runs of "Hotel California" keep pouring out of my radio. Hand
me that UZI, Bob!!!

/tOM
 

    ..Puh-LEASE..if anyone looks like they got hit in the face by the wand
    of the age fairy, it's Plant...man does he look like an aging graceless
    old queen or what??.....with the scraggle hair from hell!.....at least
    the eagles have the good sense not to pretend they're still 22...and
    don't even get me started on jimmy page....did he get his entire head 
    caught in a big vice grip or what?..he looks like the prince of the
    flat heads!..........;").........and if analogies are going to be made
    to raise one group higher than another...do it with two groups that you
    like...it's obvious that you dont' like the eagles ..so fine...but i
    liked both the eagles and ledzep and theres no comparison as to who's
    aged more gracefully...it'd have to be the eagles..as for the
    music...as i said..i like them both. ..but it's like comparing apples
    with buicks..........you know?..... both have their timeless elements
    although i'd rather put out big dollars to see the eagles over ledzep based
    on their vocal abilities alone...cuz that's what i like....and i also
    don't think i couldd stand the crowd that would show up at a ledzep
    show that'd be given today.....the smell of vomit from child-men alone
    would send me screaming into the night....that and the sight of a late
    '40-sumpin' prancing plant... eexxh.....i'm scared just thinking about
    it................;')....................................../k

    re: .521
    
    Well, no way I'd pay $100 to see the Eagles, but I'd rather pay $100
    to see the show the Eagles did (as shown on MTV a few weeks ago) than
    pay $1 to see the Page/Plant fiasco.
    
    Oh... I know what you're thinking... FYI I own EVERY Led Zeppelin
    album.   I only own ONE Eagles album (and not ONE of their solo
    albums either).
    
    	db

>        Oh... I know what you're thinking...
    
    Ooooh, a MIND READER!
    
    gh

    Do you have to know how to read to be a mind reader?

    Can mind readers also be dyslexic?

    You're thinking of the number ninty-six?

    
         After reading some of the replies in this note it seems the
         latest offering from P&P isn't going down to well,well all
         I have to say to that is "BOLLOCKS",I think it is a bloody
         great album.
         
         I know it's a bit off the beaten track for this pair,but IMO
         it has to be better than some of the stuff passed of as music
         in this note.....ie metallica & megadeath to name but a few,
         are they not crap or what!!!!!!!!
    
    
                                 I like good music.
    
    
    

    hud yer tongue ya auld eejit!Yir showin' yir age...;^)
    
    
    
    						ian

    
      Ian 
    
            You might talk like that,but I don't!!! Anyway why are you
            in this note, you once said to me that you thought Zeppelin
            were a bunch of over hyped kak.
    
            I still think it's better than most of the tripe served up as
            music nowaday's.
    
            Drop me your latest aboad, I've got what your looking for.
    
                                           The new age traveller.  
    
         
    

    
     Big Ian
    
            I saw them on tv here and they looked old and knackered.They're
    well passed their "sell by" date!
    
    
    						ian

    
        Hairy Ian,
    
                 Don't care what they look like,me and my auld wrinkley
                 buddies think it's a great album.
    

    
    
      well,if you and your fiends enjoy the hurdy gurdy,middle eastern
    beaten to death sound of Led Zepplin then thats cool but if you lived
    here and listened to WAAF,you'd be sick of it within two days.Non stop
    play every 10 minutes(or so it seems)
    
    
    					ian

Anyone hear any tunes from the Zeppelin tribute (or whatever its called)??
So far Ive heard STP
                 4 non blondes
                 "something" blowfish ??

and the songs they did sound really good. Just heard 4 non blondes
doing Misty Mtn hop. May be worth picking up as long as it isn't another
hack job like the Kiss tribute was.

Andy

    
    
    	Probably "Hootie and the Blowfish"
    

    what was that about your hooters, JJ?

    
    a heard all the songs howard stern was making fun of on that album last
    night :').  he played pieces of 6 or 7 of them at least.  also the guy
    from atlantic called him up (danny busch or something like that) and
    said he didnt care that howard was making fun of it as long as he was
    playing it and said there would be a follow up to the album next year
    sometime.
    

    
    	re: Buck
    
    	They're just fine, thanks for asking!
    

    Cracker does a tune also, I didn't recognize the guy singing as being
    from Cracker! I forget the name of the song, but they did a pretty good
    job on it also. I wish the Sabbath tribute could have been a bit better
    as I don't care for some of the versions on the disc....but it is
    overall decent! :)
    
    Mike
    

    Excellent I need to pick this up...
    Thanks for asking about mine Buck... but we are fine too!

    
    
>>>    	Probably "Hootie and the Blowfish"
    

        that be it.....their song was cool. Heard Helmet last night,
cant remember the song..(why are Zep songs so hard to remember??)
but it was ok....the worset that ive heard so far, not that it was real
bad...but not as good as the others.

    
    Well if you like the Hootie Zep song, you should check out their album!
    
    It is called "Cracked Rear View"  :)
    
    The lead singer reminds me a little of the guy from Fine Young
    Cannibals who's name I can't currently remember for the life of me!
    
    /jen

    
    Hootie is a great albuM!!!!!! 
    
    SueJ

    
    
    	re:  /jen
    
    	No way!  I can't *stand* the lead singer from FYC.
    	Their voices are quite different.
    

    Looking to trade a set of four tickets to the Monday night April 10
    show at the Boston Garden for a set of four tickets to the Sunday night
    April 9 show. My seats are section 28 near the stage about 18 rows back
    from the floor. Looking for tickets of about the same value. Just a
    trade - no money involved. 
    
    Jeff Lupisella DTN:225-6271 E-Mail - AWECIM::LUPISELLA

    Jeff,
    Let me know if you want to sell them.
    
    DP

I heard that Peter Grant died sometime last week.

He was the 300+ lb former wrestler who was the manager of the band throughout
their career.  On their first tour he drove the station wagon that took them
from gig to gig.

The best story I ever heard was some sailor was hassling Jimmy Page in an
airport - calling him a faggot and pushing him around. etc...  Peter grabbed the
guy by the collar and practically lifted him off the ground - looked him right
in the eye and said:

	What's your f@%#ing game Popeye???

If you ever saw Peter that would be enough to make most people pass out from
fear right there.

There's a scene in The Song Remains the Same which shows him in true form.  He's
hassling the manager of Madison Square Garden because Grant found some guy 
selling unauthorized photos of the band.  The group is making probably a half
million from the 6 night stand at MSG and he's worried about not getting the cut
on one consession...

Tim

I heard that a new album and tour is in the works for this spring.  Hopefully at
Great Woods this time.  That'd be awesome.

Tim

    Let John Paul Jones Back in the Group!!!!!

    
      he can't join....he's too busy producing HEART's acustic tour !
    
    /Sax_who_can_play_stairway_to_Heaven_in_minor_or_Major
    

    Zepplin rulz

    
    Finally a band we can agree on.

    I believe we may have reached a happy medium.
    
    P
    

    correction:  Zeppelin RULED!

    How about:  Zeppelin RULES IN ABSENTIA!!!!

    	VH1 is doing their summer thing on friday nights, called the
    	Rock & Roll Picture Show.
    
    	This friday, 14-JUN, 9 pm EST
    
    	The Song Remains The Same, uncut, uncensored