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NIRVANA - BLEACH			(MEGA)

Sod it, one more like this and I think I'll just pack up and move out to 
seattle for good (and probably support myself by being Jack Endino's 
assistant at Reciprocal so I can hear stuff like Bleach as it's being
recorded...)

without a doubt, this is the crowning achievement of sub-pop's history, the
ultimate in an awesome catalogue of bands.  N sing songs about school
holidays, barbers, cheese and girls, but do it in a style that makes you feel 
like you do after hearing Candlemass' 'solitude' for the first time, more
breathless than a night with a 'pretty polly' of the female persuasion.

recorded for just $600 at reciprocal, the LP opens with a grungy but 
deceptively mellow 'Blew' before the White Zombie - bludgeon of 'Floyd the
Barber', Kurdt Kobain's vocals scratching or crooning across the eardrums
according to the mood he's in at the time.

Next is 'About a girl', almost a ballad compared to the rest of the album, 
imagine The Beatles crossed with Mudhoney and you'll have it in a nutshell.
'School' is back to the evil grunge again, makes TAD sound like Kylie Minogue
does this, great vocals again and the sort of riffs that you'll never be
able to erase from your memory, totally catchy.

Next song depends on which version of the LP you have, the Sub-Pop import has
the single 'Love buzz', I find it totally impossible to believe that this is a 
cover of a song by the same band that Bananarama had a hit with, but it is!
The Tupelo version for the UK however has 'Big Cheese' in this position,
great skin pounding, catchiness and a highly original ending.  A dilema for
you unless you have the single (or both pressings - smug bast*rd aren't I?).
'Paper Cuts' thunders to the end of side one annihilating everything in its
path.

side two opens with the best track on the whole LP.  If you ever wanted to 
hear the absolute limit to which grunge could go, this is there and beyond -
'Negative creep' is its name, totally amazing is its description.

Following that is the crazy up-tempo 'Scoff', then 'Swamp Meet' with more
brain damaging catchiness.  'Mr Moustache' is next, the only track on the LP
that I'm not ecstatic about, I'm not too sure why really, then ending is the
well heavy 'Sifting' with its weird but well suited ending.

Anyone who doesn't love this record has got to be deaf, this is probably one
of the best three LPs this year that I have heard, maybe even the best.  If
ya wanna find out what Sub-Pop, Glitterhouse and all those labels are about 
then buy this - the best of the whole lot!

Flip

    That's all I needed to hear!  I'll get the album tonight!
    Thanks Flip!
    
    Steve

    
    	I've had their new single for a while now but ran across a
    	maxi-single at Rocket with two live cuts on it from Bleach.
    
    	- Jim

    
    Go and buy Bleach, it's a cool album.
    
    Flip

    
    	And/or Blew, the import, which has an extra or different track.  Of
    	course I forget the tune but it was a good one.
    
    	- Jim

    
    How come you have an import for a US band?!?
    

    
    	It's just a matter of distribution, although they're a Seattle
    	SupPop band the UK release was different, namely the title and 
    	the different track.  I'm sure there's more to it than that but
    	that's how I understand it.  
    
    	- Jim

    
    BUT I'm in the UK and mine was on general release and it was called
    Bleach!!!
    
    

    It's not uncommon for US bands to release albums in Europe or Japan
    that aren't released here.  These are often released later in the US if
    they do reasonably well, but sometimes are only available as imports.
    
    I had to buy Joe Satriani's "Not of This Earth" album as an import as
    it wasn't (re)released in the US until after the success of "Surfing
    With The Alien".
    
    gh

    I think the Stray Cats did that with their first Album.
    
            Crazy_V-Day_Al

    	
    	In addition to their latest SupPop single of the month "Molly's Lips"
    	flip-sided with The Fluid is another release coming soon?
    
    	They also have a track on the compilation tribute to the Velvet 
    	Underground "Heaven & Hell" doing "Here She Comes Now".
    
    	- Jim
    
    	

    I also picked up Nirvana's Nevermind album today and I gotta say it's
    very good!  Like .0 described, real heavy and noisy!  As with Primus,
    it probably fits more under the "alternative" classification then
    "metal" but whoTF cares!?  
    
    Incredibly full sound for a three piece, but I know that's probably
    studio tricks and stuff.
    
    Real creative and enteretaining.  I'm getting off on it!
    
    gh

    I like that vid they have...Greg, is the rest of the album as good???

    I haven't seen a video of theirs.  I presume it's for "Smells Like Teen
    Spirit"?  That's a killer song, probably my favorite on the album right
    now.  I'd say a lot of the rest of it's similar and I like it.  
    
    Let me tell you though, this is very wierd music!  I keep hearing
    snatchs of very odd lyrics as I listen to it more.  It's hard to
    understand...
    
    gh

    They're great live.  I saw them at the Reading (UK) Festival in August
    and they were the best band there along with PWEI.  Am I allowed to
    mention PWEI in this conference or will I be banned for being a namby
    pamby poncy faggot?
    
    hevs

    Yes. We only listen to really heavy stuff in this conference - 
    like Nelson,Europe,and the ballads of Bon Jovi.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    
    re Hevs
    
    You don't have to mention PWEI to be a namby pamby poncy faggot!
    

    Okay, so I also listen to Dionne Warwick.  Now that must surely make me
    a namby pamby poncy faggot!

	Greg,

	Were you able to find Bleach in your area?  I've seen a few vinyl
	copies and of course more CDs around the Boston area stores, FYI.

	Just as the commercial stations are picking up on them likewise are 
	the bootleggers but that's another story entirely that I won't get
	into here/now.

	There's also the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" maxi-single thing that
	contains two un-released tracks.

	Not that I agree with this theory in general but I forget who said
	it and I'll probably butcher it in the translation to boot:

		'Four band members at times can work well and at times be
		 too much, five or more is just plain ridiculous, and when
		 three members click it's really something special.'

	I'll post the above reference later.

	As for the studio sound, Greg, you're right one would think that
	there's much added in studio but I have to say if anything they
	sound as if they record live in the studio.  Their live sound 
	comes across just as strong and is further intensified by Kurdt 
	Kobain's, vocalist/guitarist, performance as well as the rest of 
	the band.

	Where as Rush have a definite full sound in studio they also amazingly
	are able to recreate it live and they do it well.  In the case of
	Nirvana it's not as a complicated process to reproduce it technology-
	wise, i.e., bass player and vocalist having to play keyboards on
	tracks, etc. but it's also not to oversimplify Nirvana's playing, 
	I don't see anything easy about the lead vocal/guitar bit and not
	to mention the occasional stage dive but it's done in a stripped
	down basic way that manages to come across as very powerful and 
	effective.

	In general I don't care for most pop songs but theirs is a style
	that pushes pop to its limit, and if you like pop then this is as good 
	as pop gets.  

	Getting back to the studio it's not to say there isn't some limited
	form of production.  On the other hand it's nothing like guitar walls 
	of sounds, i.e., multiple dubbed tracks and all that.  Not to imply 
	that's necessarily bad.  Nevermind was produced Butch Vig (Killdozer) 
	who also worked with Smashing Pumpkins...

	Getting back to Bleach, the first release, I think it's far noisier
	and heavy for lack of another description but Nevermind has many
	of those same traits but more in the pop vein..  The one thing I've 
	noticed after hearing tracks be at following my own playing of 
	Nevermind or hearing on the radio, record stores, etc. (They all of 
	sudden appear to be virtually everywhere) is that the last tune I 
	heard sticks in my head for a long time.  This isn't bad, I can think 
	of a lot worse thoughts to have floating around in there but it's 
	really remarkable.  

	RE: .15 / Hevs

	As for you UK they're doing a few dates in early November prior to
	their European tour.  As for Reading I'll just add that Sweredriver, 
	Teenage Fanclub, Silverfish, the bit I heard of Babes in Toyland,
	and of course Nirvana were all great!

	- Jim
	
	p.s. As for odd lyrics, definitely, even the meaning that Kurdt
	gave for Smells Like...in an interview something to the effect
	of underarm odors and such.

	Well I'm loosing continuity (what else is new) so I'll cut it off
	now.   

	{BOMBE::RADIO_RADIO is another reference.

	- Jim

    
    	RE: .19
    	>(Yea, Kimmy I'm getn' beta')
    
    	Glad to hear it... but don't rush back on my account. (8
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    I heard some of their stuff on the radio last night. Pretty
    interesting.

    For what it's worth......
    
          I don't see anything DAMN special about these guys....
     Also..I don't the TEEN SPIRIT song!
    
           I guess that's to be expected for everyone to like it..8)
    
                       Frizkid
    

    re: Jim
    
    No, I never found Bleach.  I ended up getting a copy of Nevermind (and
    had trouble finding even that one, had to wait three days to get it!)
    
    I like it quite a bit, but the guitar sound is just sooo thick it
    doesn't sound like one guitar player.  No biggie, overdubed and doubled
    guitar parts are pretty standard these days, I just wondered how it
    held up live.  Some bands hold up well and some don't (and some fake it
    with samplers/sequencers/other_players_backstage), sounds like Nirvana
    holds up pretty well.
    
    re: Friz
    
    I'm not surprised you don't like it, it's got a harsh edge and you seem
    to be real intolerant to most things like that.  I personally think it
    has an incredible amount of energy and anger in it and I like that. 
    Very powerful material IMO.  I think that many HM noters would probably
    enjoy this one as well, since it's fairly heavy and has a good strong
    groove, especially if you like music on the harsher side.
    
    gh

    what he said...*8)

    Which what?  Which he?

you!  I agree, Nirvana RULES!  Even if you're not into Alternative music, you 
should like this...Some pretty cool guitar work on the single anyway...and I got 
TWO unreleased songs on it!  check it out if you don't have it...

'pril

	I don't recall the word cool being mentioned once.  That shouldn't
	matter anyhow, I don't care if they're blokes or anything else for 
	that matter.   Either you like 'em or you don't.  That goes for any
	band for that matter.

	Some words used to described them, they suck, they're great, 
	interesting, Black Sabbath meets Roxy Music (I never liked these 
	cross things and sounds like stuff), grunge-within-a-heart-of- pop 
	sound a likes, etc. but whatever it's not for MTV to say, a review, 
	be it good or bad, it's in you.

	Lastly we all know singles aren't always the best song, maybe best in 
	terms of 'best for radio airplay'.

	- Jim

    I picked up Nevermind the other day and I like it. It has alot of
    thrash to it without being too fast. The release has a good balance to
    it. It doesn't just club you over the head with wall-to-wall power. I
    like the anger and there is plenty of that.
    
    2 cents worth
    
    Nate

    my son wanted me to let you know that there is a limited release copy
    of the NEVERMIND CD(only) that has an extra song after "Something in
    the way" and ten minutes of silence.  It is, in his eyes, the best song
    on the album.  Apparently, very loud and very nasty.  Check it out!
    Remember,though, only limited copies.  He had to buy the album twice to
    get the extra song.

    
	I don't think there is anything to distinquish the Nevermind CD 
    	release that includes the untitled and non-listed far-more-trashier 	
    	sounding track from those that don't have it, i.e. I heard it's 
    	simply on some and not on others, no limited edition marking or
    	catalog variation.
    
    	As for buying two copies that may account for the strong sales
    	of some 600,000 units to date. :)
    
    	- Jim

    
    Number 9 on the album chart. I tend to think this will be some kind of
    one shot. After this they will just release singles that will be
    alternatetively popular. Sorta like Love Shack from the B-99's. Or even 
    Unbelievable by EMF (lies didn't quite follow up)
    
    Chris

    RE: extra track
    
    Yeah, I discovered that, too!  I was like, no way is the last song 20
    minutes long!  It's a b*tch to get to, but man-o-man is it worth it!
    
    'pril(HMBP-RF-TOSA!)

    I bought the "smells like teen spirit" single yesterday and I love
    it.In fact I'd go as far as to say that it may be one of my singles of
    the year.
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    
    	... I like the first few bars of "spirit".. strummed in twangy ole
    stock guitar... then the amps kick in with the same 4 chords and
    you can almost SEE the walls shake...
    
    	Good stuff!
    	/john

    
    Great album!  Got it for X-mas and liked it the first listen.  Its hard
    to believe there's only three people playing sometimes.  Is this there
    first album or is thre more Nirvana out there?? I had never heard of 
    these guys until I saw the vid for "Teen Spirt" on MTV....
    
      Dan

    Dan, this is their 2nd album...

    Yeah, Nevermind is their second album, the first is called Bleach and I
    believe they also have an EP as well.  I've never heard Bleach, but the
    talk around sez it's heavier and harsher then Nevermind.
    
    gh (who's been looking for it, but hasn't found it yet due to the
        extremely lame record stores around Colorado Springs)

	The title track from the 4-track EP "Blew" which was also on their 
	first LP "Bleach" also contained the Shocking Blue cover "Love Buzz" 
	which was their first very limited pressing single b/w "Big Cheese".

	The recent pressings of Bleach now have "Love Buzz" as well as a 
	couple other songs that I don't recognize as being on either of the
	earlier LPs or the EP.

	Greg, send me mail if you want to arrange a swap for Bleach.

	- Jim

    
    
    	Nirvana will be the musical guest on Saturday Night Live 
    this week.
    
    

    don't expect anything resembling normality from these guys,twice they
    were on tv here in the UK and both times they just did their own thing.

    If you can believe it, Nirvana is alledgedly going to start on a
    west-co arena a tour opening for the mighty Red Hot Chili Peppers.  They
    should stick to headlining club shows in my opinion.  The money might
    not be there, but it's definitely better for the audience. (besides,
    they got a $250,000ntract for Nevermind.d and it's not like they have
    an extravagent social life or anything.)
    

    Caught Nirvana on Saturday Night Live last night.  As most SNL feature
    bands, they played two songs.  The first was "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
    and the second was "Territorial Pissings".  The drummer and bass player
    trashed the drum kit at the end of the second song while the Kurt
    (singer/guitar player) generated huge amounts of feedback with his
    guitar.
    
    Overall the performances were reasonably good, but for some reason they
    didn't really seem into it that much.  Maybe it was just my tired 
    perception...
    
    That *giant* guitar sound from the album was gone too.  I think I'd
    mentioned in here before that I wondered if they'd be able to duplicate
    that live.  Obviously not.  Plus the distorted guitar tone was
    absolutely awful.  Kurt was using some sort of rack based guitar rig
    and it was all thin and buzzy sounding.  I *think* I saw a Digitech
    Twin Tube preamp in the rack, which would explain that sort of sound
    coming out of it (I hate those things).
    
    There were a couple of parts during "SLTS" that I couldn't see him
    playing what I heard.  I'm not sure if he was or not.  If not, then I'm
    disappointed...
    
    I heard on MTV this morning that Nirvana will also be playing live
    during a segment of "120 Minutes" tonight.  Don't know if I'll bother
    trying to catch it or not.  The last time I sat up watching one of
    those shows for "live footage" (of the RHCP), they showed like one
    really short song at the very END of the program.  I felt cheated...  
    
    I think that if I could be insured that Nirvana would play something
    other then "SLTS", I'd probably watch it, but I'm starting to get sick
    of that song from the massive overexposure it's getting lately.  I hate
    to ruin a song I like for myself by allowing myself to listen to it too
    much just because the media wants to shove it down my throat.
    
    gh

    I caught it and thought it was pretty terrible as well!  The guitar was
    thin and buzzy, and the massive vocal sound was gone, too!  8^(  They
    sounded like any slightly-out-of-tune garage band to me!
    
    Buck, disappointed

    Bass and drums sounded pretty good, I thought Kurt (the singer/guitar
    player) was out of it though.  But you're right, the big vocal sound
    wasn't there either.  In fact, the vocals sounded dry to me...
    
    gh

    
    The second song was killer!!!

    What was the 'opening bit' on SNL?  The DJ this morning made a big deal
    of how funny it was, but I didn't see the show.  What's da gig?
    
    

    
    
    Gotta love his hair.... 

    
    re: Greg
    
    I didn't like his guitar sound on the first song they played, but I
    liked it on the second one.
    
    Is it me, or did it seem like him knocking the mic stand down was
    an accident? I think after that happened they just went nuts.
    
    Anyone notice the plexiglass wall in front of the drums, getting
    him that killer drum sound? Pretty cool!

    re: /prc
    
    Yeah, that second song ("Territorial Pissings") rips!  They did a
    pretty good version.  Makes me wonder if they're getting as tired of
    "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as everyone else is.
    
    I couldn't tell if he knocked the mike stand over intentionally or not. 
    Like you say, looked accidental at first...
    
    I also noticed the plexiglass drum enclosure.  VERY good idea, those
    things work great!  He did have a good drum sound.
    
    gh

> Anyone notice the plexiglass wall in front of the drums, getting
> him that killer drum sound? Pretty cool!

The drummer in Little Feat (he's also played with Robert Plant) has been
doing this for years! I believe its so the drummer can whack away at the
drums, while keeping the onstage volume low....

alan

    I'm breaking this up into two parts. 
    
    
    - taken without permission from Rolling Stone Magazine, Issue 622, 
    January 23rd, 1992.
    
    
    
    "After giving birth to the surprise hit of the year, the guys from 
    Seattle fight the demons of fame."
    
    
    NIRVANA
    
    
    Blood is pouring onto the floor of Nirvana's dressing room.  To make 
    matters worse, the source of the bleeding - a fan with a hole in his 
    mouth where his front tooth used to be - has gone into shock and is 
    convulsing uncontrollably.
    
    Only a few minutes earlier he was just one in a stupefied throng of 900 
    fans in Ghent, Belgium, fanatically watching the carnage.  Nirvana lead 
    singer-guitarist-instigator Kurt Cobain followed a headfirst dive into 
    the crowd by clawing his way back onstage and systematically spitting 
    on members of the audience standing in the first three rows.  Bassist 
    Chris Novoselic pulled a Perry Farrell-style full-frontal strip before 
    trading places with drummer Dave Grohl, who played the bass while 
    lying on his back in the middle of the stage.  Cobain then took violent 
    offense with the drums, wielding his guitar like an ax and splintering 
    the kit like firewood.  Next stop, a Marshall amp, which Cobain stabbed 
    repeatedly with the neck of his guitar before he and Novoselic put the 
    finishing touches on their instruments by smashing them together five 
    times, the final impact shattering the bass and sending hunks of lumber 
    into the crowd, striking the aforementioned fan flush in the face.  The 
    show, at this point, was over, Nirvana having done nothing if not put 
    danger back into rock & roll.  Cash from chaos.  Nevermind the Six 
    Pistols...Oh, well, whatever, nevermind.
    
    Backstage, Novoselic is kneeling next to the convulsing fan, trying to 
    console him, as paramedics strap him to a chair and wheel him away.  
    The band's tour manager is shrieking about finding equipment for the 
    rest of the tour.  Grohl has walked back into the empty hall, found the 
    dislodged tooth, intact, in front of the stage and is making plans to 
    turn it into a piece of jewelry.  And Cobain is wandering through the 
    wreckage.  "Hey everybody," he says repeatedly.  "Why so glum?"
    
    
    Explosions of all sizes have followed Nirvana, the most monstrous being 
    the clamor over the band's latest offering, *Nevermind*.  The follow-up 
    to a striking Sub Pop debut album, *Bleach*, the trio's major-label 
    coming-out is simultaneously the year's most passionate release and 
    startling success story.  A relentless barrage of thundering, f(ck-you 
    grunge-pop anthems, *Nevermind* has already sold over a million and a 
    half copies since DGC Records' initial shipment of only 50,000 records 
    on September 24th.  But along with the overnight rise from the Seattle 
    underground has come intense media scrutiny, pressure and, in turn, 
    minor detonations like the Belgium show.
    
    "That was the low point of the tour," says Novoselic, two days later in 
    Amsterdam.  "It wasn't rock-star posing.  A lot of what happened had to 
    do with alcohol and with some really weird tension in the air.  THe 
    whole course of events just couldn't be stopped.  We were just on the 
    train and where it took us, we went.  We're dealing with extreme 
    business here, so reactions are extreme."
    
    Extreme records, it turns out, also spring forth from extreme 
    individuals, and fro Nirvana the world is seen through the eyes of 
    Cobain, whose misanthropic view seems to inspire his remarkable gift.  
    While Grohl handles road pressures with laid-back ease and Novoselic 
    continually interjects a skewed sense of humor, Cobain rarely speaks to 
    anyone surrounding him, usually curling up and turning his back to a 
    crowd or mutely staring with the frightening intensity of a cornered 
    animal.  Having already shunned the *New York Times* and the *L.A. 
    Times*, he at first refused to be interviewed for this article, changed 
    his mind, then failed to surface two other times, in one instance 
    hiding in a locked hotel room.
    
    "When I joined the band, I lived with Kurt for eight months," says 
    Grohl, 22.  "When I first got there, he had just broken up with a girl 
    and was totally heartbroken.  We would sit in his tiny shoe-box 
    apartment for eight hours at a time without saying a word.  For weeks 
    and weeks this happened.  Finally one night, we were driving back in 
    the van, and Kurt said, 'You know, I'm not always like this.'  And I 
    just went, 'Whewww.'"
    
    Raised by his mother, Cobain, 24, grew up in a trailer park in the 
    redneck logging community of Aberdeen, Washington, about a hundred 
    miles from Seattle, where, he has said, he never had a childhood friend 
    and steadily developed a hatred for the macho, guns-and-booze posturing 
    around him.  By the time he and Novoselic, 26, joined forces in 1987, 
    borrowing a PA and four-track recorder from Cobain's aunt, the silent 
    mistrust and pure punk ethic were firmly rooted.  "The most 
    anti-authority guy in the band is Kurt," says Novoselic.  "The most 
    anti-authority guy I *know* is Kurt.  He'll be the one to walk up to 
    people and scream, 'Why? Why? Why?' A lot of times I'll understand the 
    reason behind things, even if I don't agree with it.  Kurt's the guy 
    out there yelling at the top of his lungs."
    
    Focused frustration and blind rage come through loud and clear on 
    *Nevermind*.  Vacillating from being shimmery and hypnotic to brutally 
    assaultive, the songs are brief flashes of violence and retreat - 
    classic pop shrouded in amplified fuzz and elements of danger.  IF 
    guitars could talk, Cobain's would scream, melodically and 
    irreverently, "What are *you* looking at?"  And Grohl - who, as the 
    group's fifth drummer, has finally given the band the propulsion it has 
    always promised - bludgeons his drums like they owe him money.  Grohl, 
    who had previously played with the Washington, D.C., hardcore heroes in 
    Scream, has helped solidify the band's dynamic despite growing up far 
    from the Seattle scene.
    
    "Before I auditioned for the band, I talked to them on the phone, but 
    I'd never met them," says Grohl.  "I'd seen them once backstage at a 
    Melvins show, and I found them quite amusing.  There was Chris, this 
    big tall guy jumping all around, and then there was Kurt, sitting in 
    the corner like he was taking a sh(t.  He was sitting there, legs 
    crossed, not even looking at anybody."
    
    With Grohl in place and two years of gigs between *Bleach* and 
    *Nevermind*, the startling collection of songs for the new album began 
    taking shape.  The entire disc cashes in on the promise of *Bleach* and 
    the fantastic single "Sliver."  *Nevermind* careens through Cobain's 
    world, from the subdued, then violent wail of "Lithium" to "Polly", the 
    unnervingly stark acoustic rendering of a rapist tormenting his victim.  
    More than sounding like us versus them, *Nevermind* sounds like *me* 
    versus *you*.  "A big factor has been alot of political and social 
    discontent," says Novoselic.  "When we went to make this record, I had 
    *such* a feeling of us versus them.  All those people waving the flag 
    and being brainwashed, I really hated them.  And all of the sudden, 
    they're all buying our record, and I just think, 'You don't get it at 
    all.'"
    
    Yet another misunderstanding surrounding Nirvana is that the band 
    plays, or even embraces, heavy metal - a myth perpetuated by reams of 
    rave reviews from metal mags and an appearance on MTV's *Headbangers 
    Ball*, for which Cobain arrived wearing a dress, stating, "I'm dressed 
    for the ball."
    

    
    
    "Metal's searching for an identity because it's exhausted itself, so 
    they're going to latch onto us," says Novoselic.  "We're not metal 
    fans.  There's a lack of insight into anything higher on any level."  
    Grohl agrees.  "It's the attitude that sets it apart," he says.  "When 
    you think of heavy metal, you think of sexist innuendoes and 
    pseudo-Satanism."  Novoselic concurs.  "A lot of heavy-metal kids are 
    just plain dumb," he says.  "I'm sorry.  We're heavy, but we're not 
    heavy metal."
    
    Nirvana's roots can be fairly easily traced to a stormy marriage of 
    punk and pop.  All three members are unabashed about admitting to pop 
    childhoods (the CD of choice on the Nirvana tour bus is *Abba's 
    Greatest Hits*), and all would be quick to tell you that strains of 
    their music can be traced back to Liverpool.  "When it comes down to 
    pop, there's only one word - the B word," says Grohl.  "Beatles.  We 
    might as well just play f(cking Beatles covers for the rest of our 
    careers."  Says Novoselic, "They started it, they did it best, they 
    ended it."
    
    But while *Nevermind* nods at the melody of pop past, it's not likely 
    that many Top Forty hits will contain squalls of feedback or a singer 
    screaming like he's exorcising a lifetime of demons.  And it's less 
    likely that a check of the charts will reveal titles like "Territorial 
    Pissings" and "Drain You" or a song featuring Cobain shrieking: "I'm a 
    negative creep.  I'm a negative creep, and I'm stoned" (from *Bleach*'s 
    "Negative Creep").  In the melt and marriage of their influences, 
    Nirvana comes off sounding like the Sweet fronted by Jeffrey Dahmer.
    
    The personalities of the two albums - *Nevermind's* blistering 
    tunefulness and *Bleach*'s menacing immediacy - stem, in part, from the 
    reality of the band's surroundings.  "*Bleach* was recorded for $600 on 
    eight tracks," says Novoselic.  "We recorded in three days, hacked it 
    in, hacked it out."  The sense of urgency shoes through.  On 
    *Nevermind* we were luck y record in this studio from the Seventies.  
    It was like a time machine.  It was like an old pair of corduroys that 
    was starting to wear out.  Just like a studio Abba would have recorded 
    in.  We'd just stagger in late, then get intense with it."
    
    The staggering intensity of public reaction, however, has thrown 
    Nirvana into a tailspin.  Since vaulting into the Top Five and going 
    platinum in a matter of months, the band has been deluged with 
    interview requests and promotional appearances, making band life a 
    twenty-four-hour-a-day job.  At an Amsterdam radio appearance, the 
    production crew requested a gaggle of tunes from *Nevermind*.  Without 
    responding, the band played a Leadbelly cover and composed a new song 
    on air, Cobain stopping at the beginning to say, "Wait a minute, I have 
    to think of some words for this."  Outdistancing the likes of Guns n' 
    Roses, Mariah Carey, Michael Bolton and Metallica on the *Billboard* 
    charts, it seems, has cast overwhelming shadows of doubt over Nirvana's 
    self-image as underground, antimainstream operatives.
    
    "We wanted to do as good as Sonic Youth,"  says Novoselic.  "We totally 
    respect those people and what they've done.  We thought we'd sell a 
    couple hundred thousand records at the most, and that would be fine.  
    Next thing you know, we go Top Ten.  I wish we could have a time 
    machine and go back to two months ago.  I'd tell people to get lost."  
    Grohl echoes the fact that Sonic Youth - whom Nirvana was opening for 
    just a few short months ago - is the band's measuring stick for 
    integrity.  "We can related to Sonic Youth because we're from the same 
    school," says Grohl.  "People ask us why they didn't sell 500,000 
    records, and my only answer is that people are f(cking stupid."
    
    So, the good and bad news for Nirvana is that it is the first of the 
    slew of indie bands that made the jump to a major label - from Sonic 
    Youth to Dinosaur Jr to Firehose - to triumph in the mainstream, in 
    large part due to the fact that it is the first band to deliver the 
    goods.  At a critical juncture of rock's resurgence, hard rock and 
    metal have garnered mass appeal but are no longer unnerving.  Nirvana 
    delivers intimidation in spades.  From the video images of Cobain 
    snarling to the album's out-of-focus inside photo of his giving the 
    finger - telling everyone who buys his record to f(ck themselves - 
    Nirvana has taken fans to an edge they seldom inch toward.  And at the 
    same time, the songs are familiar enough to offer an air of safety, 
    however uneasy, that other bands can't provide.  You can actually *hum* 
    the damn things.
    
    The band now hopes that, once it has leapt into the mainstream, it 
    might just gain the opportunity to subvert from within.  "Our 
    justification for all the attention we're getting is that, maybe, a lot 
    of other underground band will get noticed," says Novoselic.  "that's 
    the only way we can deal with it."
    
    With commercial rock success, however, comes commercial rock 
    recognition.  "everyone is always asking if I'm afraid of the band's 
    success going to far," says Grohl.  "That doesn't really make any 
    difference.  I just don't want to be David Grohl of Nirvana for the 
    rest of my life.  It's like the kid who got caught masturbating in the 
    bathroom of high school.  That's the only way he's ever known."
    
    The band members' main dissatisfaction with their public portrayal is 
    the media depiction of them as rock brats simply mirroring the nihilism 
    they rail against, rather than concentrating on their sincere efforts 
    to focus attention on such problems as sexism and repression.  "There's 
    this saying, 'What's the value of preaching if man isn't redeemable?'" 
    says Novoselic.  "I go back and forth on that, but basically, we're 
    total optimists.  We don't have any agenda.  We can yell, 'Revolution,' 
    and we can yell, 'The middle class is f(cked, go downtown and smash 
    all the windows.'  But then what?  There's no agenda.  All we are 
    saying is 'Be aware'.  There's a lot of information out there.  Use 
    it."
    
    Then again this *is* still a band that got kicked out of its own 
    record-release party.  "No one wants to be under someone else's 
    control," says Grohl, before Novoselic jumps in quickly.  "It's, like, 
    I have this hash and I'm going to have to give it away when we leave 
    Amsterdam," he says.  "there's nothing wrong with it.  I'm not going to 
    hurt anybody.  Authority and the whole policeman mentality is just 
    f(cked.  I've been arrested before.  I've had police come to my house.  
    So many cops are just dumb."
    
    Now as *Nevermind* remains rooted in rock's elite Top Ten and the video 
    for its first single, the snarling anti-anthem "Smells Like Teen 
    Spirit", continues to log hours and hours of MTV airplay, the band 
    remains slightly blinded by the spotlight and amused that the single's 
    revulsion of teen apathy is being construed as a youthful call to arms.  
    "I'm looking forward to being older," says Novoselic.  "I've got 
    everything going against youth that I possibly can.  I'm married.  I'm 
    losing hair.  I heard somebody say that Nirvana is against the old 
    generation.  That's not right.  We're just against the old guard."
    
    
    Onstage in Amsterdam, the Belgium show two days forgotten, Nirvana is 
    relentless - occasionally giving tee hysterical crowd a chance to catch 
    its breath just before punching it in the throat  again.  Novoselic 
    bobs up and down barefoot across the stage as Grohl clubs his drums 
    with the subtlety of a boot to the groin.  Cobain, regular guitar out 
    of commission, sports one with a stick that reads VANDALISM:  BEAUTIFUL 
    AS A ROCK IN A COP'S FACE as he dives at a cameraman who is trying to 
    film from the edge of the stage.  The only explosion tonight is Nirvana 
    erupting into the fiercest set in rock & roll, Cobain shrieking the 
    final lines of "Territorial Pissings," the band's bile-spewing 
    antisexism rant, and then leaping over the drums, into Grohl's arms to 
    be carried offstage.  End of show.  End of story.  Enough said.  "Any 
    good review," says Grohl, "should just say, 'They go up onstage, they 
    played fifteen songs, and they left.  It was loud.  People were 
    slam-dancing.  I went home with a headache.  Nirvana.' What more is 
    there to say?"
    

     

    Goddess F.

	I don't think they played that great, but I don't really like 
	them anyway.. 

	My question is... Did any of you see the end of the show, when
	all the people were congradulating each other on the show?

	Well, I did...   The bass guy (from Nirvana) first went over and
	kissed the drummer, and then went to the lead singer/guitarist
	and kissed him too.  Now, I don't mean a nice little peck, I 
	mean this was a *HARD* (toungy) kiss.  (At least from what I
	saw)  This grossed me out to no end...  Did anyone else see it
	or was it just me..


						-GrossedOutYpooh

    
    They do stuff like that to be obnoxious.

    Thanks much for posting the interviews, Francine!  Interesting reading. 
    Kind of confirms some of what I thought from listening to the music...
    
    re: the kisses
    
    Yeah, I saw that.  Didn't look like any tongue though.  I thought it
    was interesting that David and Chris were wandering around talking to
    the rest of the SNL folks and Kurt was just kind of standing there
    looking like he was lost...
    
    Glh

    -2
    
    I think you're jealous!

	re: Greg

	Yeah, you might be right about the tounge.  I am not sure, I wasn't
	really expecting it, and it happened very fast, but still, I know
	the kiss was quite hard, not just a little peck.

	re: Pete 

	Well it worked...at least on me....to be sick is more like it.


	re: Buck

	Nah, I don't think Pete is jealous....


							-Seth

    
    I think Buck meant -3 instead of -2.

	I know what he meant, I was just being a pain...

	It is hard to take insult from a guy who like Ms. Bald O'Connor.

	I just consider the source.


							-Seth

    
    
    	I heard the reason for the dead air during the intro to "SLTS"
    was due to an "advertisement".  Someone in the band said, "Buy Coke.  
    It's the real thing."
    
    
    Paul

    Hi..My name is Allen and I'm a stupid Heavy Metal kid.
              Therefore I **REFUSE** to buy anything from this band and I'm
    not latching on to them.
    
             Frizkid
    

    
    I think they're fantastic! They bring me back to the punk/hardcore
    days. I love that kind of music, but it's definitely abn acquired
    taste.
    
    /prc

   >>>Hi..My name is Allen and I'm a stupid Heavy Metal kid.
    
    He confirms it!! 
    
    Gee, Alan not much teen spirit eh? 

    At least I know how to spell my name right when it's right in front of
    me....Jesse...It's ALLEN not Alan!
    
     I can't believe any person of the metal crowd would even bother with
    these losers after what he said.  
    
      F()K TEEN SPIRIT!!!!!!! 
           I'm soooooooooo sick of everything like this.
    
                       Frizkid....pissed
    
     

    
    Nirvana comes from a punk/hardcore background, not a heavy metal
    background. There is a BIG difference.

    Yes...The difference is they don't play their instruments very well and 
    they wear dresses.
    
                Frizkid
    

    Also....IN the article didn't it say that they come from a POP
    background?
    
                With would make it worse....
    
                Frizkid
    

    
    
    I thought in the article it said "MOST heavy metal fans are dumb"..
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
> Also....IN the article didn't it say that they come from a POP
> background?
    
  	The article said Punk and pop. Mostly punk as is evident by
    	their music.
    
    	/prc

    Mostly more time in the bathroom than playing their instruments because
    THAT'S WHAT IT SMELLS LIKE..............
                                 Frizkid
    

    
    
    Here is Nirvana's top ten picks taken without permission from Rolling
    Stone Magazine, Issue 625.
    
    
    1.  Melvins, Bullhead
    2.  Urge Overkill, Supersonic Storybook
    3.  Mudhoney, Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge
    4.  Pixies, Trompe le Monde
    5.  Breeders, Pod
    6.  Tad, 8-Way Santa
    7.  Shonen Knife, Christmas EP
    8.  Sonic Youth, Goo
    9.  Teenage Fanclub, Bandwagonesque
    10. L7, Smell the Magic
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    	I think they're soon to be label mates with L7 along with Sonic
    	Youth who have been signed with DGC.  Chris, the bass player was 
    	wearing their T-shirt during the SNL performance that I have still 
    	yet to see.
    
    	The only band I'm surprised they didn't mention is Captain
    	America, the others are all appropriately mentioned.
    
    	- Jim

    Hey all you Nirvana fans (I know yer out there *somewhere*)!  I just 
    found this article - check it out!
    
    Taken from the April, '92 issue of Elle magazine without permission. 
    
    			By Gina Arnold
    
    
    MUSIC:  Three 'negative creeps' who rocked the charts.
    
    		HIGH TIMES AND LOW LIFE
    		NIRVANA DEFIES THE ODDS
    
    
    	If America has given birth to a new youth culture in the last decade, 
    the Nirvana show at San Francisco's Cow Palace this past New Year's Eve 
    was its christening.  Fifteen thousand fans, clad in the sanctioned 
    uniform from the movie Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (baseball caps 
    worn backwards, Red Hot Chili Peppers T-shirts, torn cutoffs, long johns, 
    and combat boots) congregated to cheer the year's surprise anti-heroes 
    and self-described "negative creeps".  When the band (Kurt Cobain, guitar 
    and vocals; Chris Novoselic on bass; Dave Grohl on drums) burst into its 
    signature single, "Smells Like Teen Spirit", the crowd threw itself into 
    an enormous vortex of motion:  people leaping on top of one another's 
    heads, hurling shoes on stage, and screaming out the chorus.  One 
    onlooker near me started thrashing his head about so violently that his 
    hair whipped my face.  I turned to give him a nasty look and did a double 
    take:  it was Ted himself, Keanu Reeves, moshing his brains out.  Nearby 
    his buddy River Phoenix nodded along, equally rapt.  At the end of the 
    set, band members smashed their instruments to bits while the audience 
    howled with glee.
    	The Cow Palace show was no isolated enclave of enthusiasm; that very 
    week, Nirvana's album, Nevermind, was on its way to number one on the 
    Billboard charts.  To get there, it had to bump albums by Mariah Carey, 
    Michael Jackson, Hammer, Guns n' Roses, and Garth Brooks.  But unlike 
    some of these mainstream kingpins, Nirvana owes its success to sheer 
    merit, not studio hype.  I still found it heartening to hear "Smells Like 
    Teen Spirit", after weeks on the charts, blasting out of Chevy vans and 
    bleeding out of the open windows.  The rise of Nirvana is a kind of 
    David-and-Goliath victory, with the good guys - three scruffy stoners 
    from the Pacific Northwest - besting the spandex-clad, bleached-blond 
    bimbo-boys of every other metal band.  When Nevermind went platinum in 
    October of last year, it did so without the benefit of a single in the 
    top 100 or heavy rotation on MTV.  Thanks to the punch of the "Teen 
    Spirit" video - a send-up of a high school pep rally - it now has both.  
    And early this year, the album went triple platinum.
    	Despite the fact that well-made, heavily rotated videos are powerful 
    selling tools for albums and practically required for top-of-the-charts 
    success, Nirvana claims to have no great interest in the form.  "I'd 
    rather read Mad Magazine than ponder MTV for even one minute," insists 
    Novoselic.  He adds, though, that the group is hoping to use a 
    pyrotechnician for their next video.  When asked how one gets a job like 
    that, he deadpans, "I guess you had to have a really good guidance 
    counselor in high school."
    	Why then is Nirvana so wildly successful?  "The music," says 
    Novoselic with a shrug.  "It's pretty much self-explanatory.  I think you 
    can sum up all of Kurt's lyrics like this: 'I hate myself.  Do you know 
    where I can buy a gun?'"  At his outrageous clam, Cobain - shaggy-haired, 
    pinwheel-eyed, and generally pretty silent - giggles uncontrollably.  
    Though almost every other song on the record does in fact mention guns, 
    Cobain's lyrics are a far cry from the sort of puerile macho posturing 
    that characterizes most metal.  "Territorial Pissings" reveals an overt 
    feminist sympathy - "Never met a wiseman/If I did, he'd be a woman" - and 
    "Polly," about a woman abducted and raped, is bleak and damning.  On a 
    recent episode of MTV's heavily testosterone-powered Headbanger's Ball, 
    Cobain wore a yellow ball gown to distance Nirvana from the 
    leather-and-chain regulars and, just perhaps, to show his solidarity with 
    women.  And earlier this year, the band was the featured attraction at 
    two major abortion-rights fundraisers held in Los Angeles.
    	As Nirvana's resident genius, Cobain is an unlikely teen idol.  He 
    looks like the worst sort of pothead, the type who hangs out in the high 
    school parking lot.  His hobby is sleeping.  Both he and his best friend, 
    Novoselic, come from Aberdeen, Washington, a tiny coastal town about 100 
    miles southwest of Seattle, which they proudly describe as "the suicide 
    capital of the state of Washington."  Cobain grew up in a trailer park, 
    and Novoselic's family moved around a lot.  The two felt outside the 
    culture of redneck suburban heavy metal, and refused to listen for all 
    adolescent eternity to albums by the likes of the Scorpions and Black 
    Sabbath.  When a friend lent them a fuzzy copy of a tape by the San 
    Francisco band Flipper, they swore allegiance to punk rock.  "It made me 
    realize there was something more cerebral to listen to than stupid cock 
    rock," says Novoselic.  "And it brought all the misfits in town together.  
    We all realized that rednecks weren't just dicks; they were total dicks!
    	The same friend who won them over to punk had a band called the 
    Melvins, who played an illegal gig at a local supermarket parking lot.  
    "When I saw them play, Cobain recalls, "it just blew me away and I was 
    instantly a punk rocker.  I got a spiky haircut and I abandoned my 
    friends because they didn't like that music.  And it made me want to play 
    guitar.  I learned one Car's song and AC/DC's 'Back in Black', and after 
    that I just started writing my own.  I didn't feel it was important to 
    learn other songs because I knew I wanted to start a band.  But I 
    couldn't find anyone in Aberdeen to be in a band with.  After about two 
    years, I made a tape of some punk rock songs and I played it for Chris.  
    He really liked it, and suggested we start a band.  Even though," he 
    says, laughing at the memory, "it sounded exactly like Black Flag."
    	Ironically, the Melvins were playing a tiny club in San Francisco the 
    night of the Nirvana New Year's Eve bash.  Cobain wrecked the Cow Palace 
    stage not simply because it was de rigueur (though Nirvana has been known 
    to trash more than a few instruments) but to pre-empt an encore so he 
    could catch his mentor's show.  Making an appearance at the Melvins' gig 
    was something of a favor returned:  when Cobain and Novoselic formed 
    Nirvana they borrowed what Cobain calls "scraps of Melvins' equipment" - 
    including their drummer.  Actually, they went through four drummers 
    before finally hiring Grohl from the Washington, D.C. band Scream.
    	The group played small clubs in Tacoma and Seattle prior to signing 
    on with Sub Pop, Seattle's prestigious alternative-music label.  Nirvana 
    put out a single, "Love Buzz," and six months later the group released 
    its debut album, Bleach.  Though far rawer and heavier than Nevermind, 
    Bleach contained certain Beatlesesque melodies and harmonies that 
    distinguished Nirvana from the more metal-edged bands coming out of 
    Washington.  Bolstered by Sub Pop's good name and their own incessant 
    touring, the album quickly garnered an enthusiastic underground 
    following.
    	In 1989, Nirvana toured Europe with another Sub Pop band, TAD.  For 
    Novoselic, the low-rent tour was less that a perfect experience.  "Eleven 
    people cruising in one van," he recounts, "kind of stinks."  Then Sonic 
    Youth, college radio's feedback heroes, asked Nirvana to open for their 
    American tour.  The band found itself heavily wooed by several major 
    labels, whose A&R people obviously knew a good thing when they heard it.  
    In the summer of 1990, Nirvana signed with DGC, Geffen's alternative 
    label, and began work on Nevermind.
    	Cobain now makes his home on Olympia, Washington, though he plans on 
    moving to Los Angeles later hits year after marrying his fiancee, 
    Courtney Love.  Love fronts the band Hole, and appeared opposite Joe 
    Strummer (former Clash member) in Straight to Hell, Alex Cox's film 
    homage to the spaghetti-western.  Novoselic lives with his wife, Shelli, 
    in Tacoma; Grohl returns to his home in D.C. between engagements.  But 
    nobody has spent much time at home since the release of Nevermind.  And 
    when they get back this time, they'll be superstars.  How will that feel?
    	Lounging by the pool at L.A.'s tony Beverly Garland hotel, Cobain 
    considers the band's seemingly overnight and phenomenal success.  "Well, 
    it's a fine thing and a flattering thing, but it doesn't matter," he 
    insists.  "We could be dropped in two years and go back to putting out 
    records ourselves and it wouldn't matter to us, because success is not 
    what we were looking for.  We don't want to be staying at the Beverly 
    Garland hotel:  we just want people to be able to get the records."
    	Novoselic has a darker perspective.  "I'm grateful to be here, 
    sitting by the pool, all arrogant and everything," he says, "scoffing at 
    the employees and people on their vacation and stuff.  But this isn't 
    going to last forever.  I'll be out on the street again soon, because 
    rock 'n' roll is bullshit.  Bunch of druggies and alcoholics.  Bunch of 
    noise."
    
    
    
    		What a way to end an interview, huh guys?
    
    -hope you enjoyed it!
    
    'pril
    

    
    
    I STILL refuse to give in and buy Nevermind.  
    
    flip

    
    Bleach is where it's at.
    

    I STILL refuse to buy anything by them. Period.
    
     BTW-In more surprising news....Weird Al is making another funny video
      entitled "Smells Like Nirvana".  
          
              Frizkid
    

    So who are Nirvana? The latest coool thing?
    
    Boring,boring,boring.
    

    Definately a fad.  By reading that article they know it too!
    
            Frizkid
    

I like Territorial Pissings and Come As You Are.  I've got the Nevermind CD.

"Ehhhh"

    I've yet to get Bleach.  But you can bet that's the next one I'll get!

    
    Stu, I'm surprised you haven't heard of Nirvana, they've had a very big
    following over here for at least the past couple of years.  Did you not
    see them at last year's Reading Festival...and they're set to headline
    this year (depending on if the event goes ahead).  If you like a good
    grungy guitar sound and you like it raw, well, you can't get more to
    the bone than Bleach.
    
    flip

    Well,i certainly like it raw..er,yeah,i have heard of them,and in fact
    i`ve got "I want you" (the Kiss song) by them on my Kiss covers
    compilation album. 
    
    I wouldn`t mind checking out Bleach,i must say. Oh,and i`ve never been
    to the Reading festival,though i did come close to seeing Iron Maiden
    headline in way back in `82,but my mum wouldn`t let me go.ho!ho!
    
    

    
    Yeah, I figured you were a mummy's boy.
    
    

    Er,i wuz a little lad of 13 at the time. Plus the fact we were going
    on holiday to Spain the next day. 
    
    I`m not a mummy`s boy. I`m rock hard. Sort of.
    

Hi All,

I heard the following news(rumor?) just today.
I'm not sure if it's correct or not.
Does anybody know anything about it?
Thanx in advance.

Toshiaki Tanaka from Tokyo, Japan


There is another band called Nirvana in Britain and the band sued American 
Nirvana about copy right violation of the band name.
British Nirvana released 2 albums(or singles?) and suspends the band activity 
now.
In response to that lawsuit, American Nirvana said "The band suspends the 
activity. It means that they have already abandoned the copy right."

    HA!HA! I hopw the spoiled brat American Nirvana have to change their
    name. I also hope I never hear from them again.
    
          Frizkid in his PIHOS seat
    

	RE: -1 / Friz...

	Why do you call them spoiled, do you care to backup any of your
	statements?  Come on.  Discuss.

	There was a band in the 60's by the same name, I forget where they
	were from, the UK possibly.  

	I forwarded some of you Nevermind lyrics off the usenet - they're
	supposed to be included with the next (late summer) single "Lithium".

	I love Kurt's home brewed t-shirt on the cover of Rolling Stone - 
	from what I can make out "Corporate Magazines Still Suck".  I agree 
	in general with some dislike of corporate matters but being part of
	the corporate structure myself...one reason why I have been trying 
	not to say only negative things about MTV, I think I mentioned 
	else where but Kurt Loader certainly has more sense than some people
	in the business, writers, djs, etc.  There certainly are more figurine
	types who don't know diddley about music but fit the suit.  I agree 
	with the sediment that one way to beat the enemy is to join them...

	As well as the points (1%) Sup Pop now receives from the sales of 
	Nevermind the band also have to do one one more single for Sup Pop's
	Single of the Month club - there may also be a "rarity" release of 
	the demo tracks originally given to Jack Endino, two of the tracks 
	from this demo made it to Bleach.  Also, same songs have already been 
	written for the next record due to out for fulfillment of DGC 
	contract.  It's supposedly will be a mixture of more softer mellower 
	stuff and harder edged pop stuff.  It will clearly be different and 
	unlike many bands who can virtually put out the same well received 
	initial records over and over again this one will not be another 
	Nevermind.
	
	- Jim

    

    O.k. I'm game. They have bad attitudes and think everything sucks.
       They even think that selling as many albums as they did, sucks.
                Don't they ever like anything?
    
          Everytime I read about them or see them their ALWAYS bitchin'.
    
           IMHO that qualifies spoiled or maybe I meant spoiled as in
    ROTTEN.
    
                 Frizkid
    p.s. And they're boring. 8)
    

    I don't see Gary Moore bitching cuz Skid Row (the hair band) stole his
    UK band's name?!
    

In the beginning I enjoyed listening almost all the Nevermind album but this 
has vanished now. With the exception of "Smells like teen spirit", I find the
songs quite boring after repeated listening.

Sorin

	If I tried putting this into completely sensible order I'd probably
	end up saying nothing so....

	Friz...my intended point was - do you have to reply to a topic 10
	or so times to make your point, how many times does it take for
	you to say how much you dislike someone - if you must why not make 
	your point once with something to back up your feelings and then
	move on?

	I was not trying to discount your opinion or even disagree with it.

	Although I do disagree that they have bad attitudes.  I think they
	have fine attitudes they appear to be enjoying what they do and
	anything else that has happened is certainly some what out of their
	control.  On the other hand doing interviews and being on covers
	of some magazines that they may not particularly have cared for in 
	the past isn't all bad or even a "sell-out" - if they manage to
	accomplish or say some of what they want.  Why do it otherwise is 
	beyond be.  I guess they could talk about how "fame" now allows them 
	to do some things that they could never do before but I think they're 
	more down to earth and don't think they can change the world or the 
	music business but clearly they have already, if not directly added 
	another dimension to bands who have been around for years.  They're 
	not trying to fit any established norms for how a band should or 
	should not be.  They're simply Nirvana or actually maybe a band who 
	might like if you enjoy their music an appreciate that they're not 
	ignorant of things around them.

	Even though I enjoy reading many bands interviews you should always 
	take them with a grain of salt.  How many times have you heard 
	someone in the public eyes whose comments got distorted by an 
	interviewer?  This happens many times.. They can some times so 
	easily turn completely around a statement or exaggerate it.

	If by bitchin' you mean their comments on the state of things 
	socially, women's issues, etc. I don't consider that bitchin' 
	at all.
	
	Not everything sucks but a lot of things can be better?  As much as
	I some what prefer to keep things separate if you think things
	are perfect you must live in area I'm unfamiliar  with.  A lot
	of things do suck, but again not everything.

	Reminds of something I recently heard, if you think about politics
	too much you either become a terrorist or depressed - I feel a bit
	of the later I guess.

	It's also interesting to note that Kurt has continued to say bad
	things about Pearl Jam and yet one member of Pearl Jam (vocalist
	I think mentioned if not for the Green River records sold by Sup Pop
	they wouldn't have been able to put out their record Bleach, etc. 
	Also, I forget his name and don't know if it's true but supposedly  
	their second guitarist who only  toured for some some of Bleach 
	before being tossed out fronted them the $600 to record Bleach
	I forget his name , he did not play on first record even though
	his name appears on it.

	Some of their interview comments stories could just be a mutation 
	of really having completely boring lives as I'm sure is possible
	if you suddenly reached this level of people being interested in you.  
	Surely anyone who exceeded their goal ten-fold even if they didn't 
	have a goal to begin with - at least DGC I can believe only expected
	to sell along the lines of 250,00 units some where along the lines 
	of Sonic Youth and to now being over triple platinum - 3,000,000 plus 
	is a bit beyond.  I guess in interviews they could say nothing and be 
	real morons but why not try to say something meaningful.

	At times I do get tired of their always seeming to be a message
	for instance when watching TV sitcoms that are intended to be humorous 
	but does get a little tiring with  some of the underlying points but
	I guess it's not all bad for it to be entertaining and though
	provoking.

	Also as Kurt could possibly be the John Lennon (in comments not
	comparing musically ) of the nineties he has no intentions of
	being spokesperson but does express his opinions.  Also if they 
	help other bands and that is already showing sighs of happening 
	then all the hoopla is worth it.

	I don't think they're upset with selling as many albums as they have
	but more so with how they they are viewed as being some well calculated
	hyped output of David Geffen's and company.  Clearly Bleach should 
	have initially done just as well but could never have because of 
	constraints of Sup Pop and basically far less visibility or more 
	accurately more specific audiences, college radio, many tours via
	club circuits, etc.  I don't think anyone will argue that the affect 
	of MTV (the nations only music station) has not been a factor as well 
	as the diversity of radio stations through out the country who first 
	picked up on the first single and continue to play others.  I can
	understand how some original fans may not like the current exposure
	of the band but to not like the album because of this is silly.

	Bleach is really not all together different than Nevermind but does
	have more of a rough quality about it, certainly the pop factor is 
	there but the exposure channels it was on could not possibly expect	
	to deliver the same impact.  Sales of it are now doing well 
	as interest has been sparked by those who liked Nevermind.  If 
	anything the time spent recording each album was clearly a factor as 
	well as other things, from a a few days for Bleach to a few weeks for 
	the Nevermind has to do with it as well as being a difference of two 
	years.  Butch Vig and more spent in the studio also part of it.
	The thought of them being accused of "sell outs" is beyond me and
	reminds me of some of the flack Metallica has received.  I guess their;'s
	some sort of fine line between being popular and selling many records,
	doing what you want, how you're perceive, etc. but to favor obscurity
	over popularity independent of be able to maintain your artist destiny
	is beyond me.

	Even in the April Rolling Stone Kurt who originally blew them off but
	who has now ended up a couple of times even stated he  doesn't 
	care of the magazine so to simply have said I don't what to me on your
	cover because I hate you magazine doesn't accomplish much as being able
	to state you feelings in a forum that does meet many of the people
	you might bit reach otherwise.  I forget one comment but
	it's like preaching to people who already know what you're about,
	it serves no purpose.  Beat the enemy, join them.

	Regarding the rock star image I'm sure Kurt and others aren't the 
	first to face some of the preconceived notions about this, Dave Grohl 
	for one mention that being 1/3 Nirvana (I think he's more than simply
	the last of a long string of the band's drummers) is the life but 
	after Nirvana he does want to get a life.

	Even if the story is self-contrived it's something to think about.

	I'll have to come back to this but for now...


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	Whatever the real story is I like this one and I could not have said 
    	it better...

	Some of the story is obviously amusingly stated such as Kurt being a 
    	saw blade painter...who knows, maybe there is such a thing.

	An extract from a DGC bio on the band; starting in on the last 
	paragraph and other pieces.

	Therein lies the rationale behind the title Nevermind "no one, 
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	especially people our own age, want to address important issues."  
	Cobain continues, "They'd rather say 'Nevermind, forget it.'  On one 
	hand we're not a political band but we're just some guys playing music 
	but we're just not another mindless band asking people to forget it 
	either.  There's no rebellion in rock 'n' roll anymore.  I hope the 
	underground music can influence the mainstream and change some kid's 
	life and stop him from becoming a welder or a sleazy lawyer.  Maybe 
	what we need is a new generation gap.
	
	Kurt says, "But we've never cared much for professionalism as long 
	as the energy was there.  Like our live shows:  We're out of tune and 
	we use feedback.  That's not on purpose or because we don't care 
	we're just musically and rhythmically retarded and we play so hard 
	that we can't tune our guitars fast enough.

	Our songs also have the standard pop format: verse, chorus, verse,
	chorus, solo, bad solo.

	Yes, we felt a lot of pressure to stay underground.  We're experiencing
	the typical independent-band-gone-onto-a-major-label-punk-rock-identity-
	crisis.  That's why we're vomiting on stage and smashing our gear more
	than ever now for all the kids!"

	Lastly, as far as reading goes, the Jan/Feb issue of Option has about
	one of the best recently published interviews as it pre-dates all the
	current smells around us.
	
	Yes, it would be impossible for Sub Pop to have come close to selling
	a million records and although DGC was more likely who would ever have 
	predicted current expectations of 7 million copies being sold?

	Also mentioned in some interviews is the fact that their only practical
	choice was with a major as they would be able to buy out their contract
	with Sup Pop.  

	I also like his I-can-end-it-anytime-I-want approach to all the current
	exposure.  It's quite a change from the 3 interviews in 3 years during
	the Bleach days.

	- Jim

	The condensed version;  I'm just as confused as Kurt Cobain who in 	
	turn admits to being just as confused as everyone else.

	- Jim

    taken without permission from Rolling Stone Magazine, issue 628.
    
    
    
    INSIDE THE HEART AND MIND OF KURT COBAIN
    
    
    
    For now, Kurt Cobain and his new wife, Courtney Love, live in an 
    apartment in Los Angeles's modest Fairfax District.  The living room 
    holds little besides a Fender Twin Reverb amplifier, a stringless 
    guitar, a makeshift Buddhist shrine and, on the mantel, the couple's 
    collection of naked plastic dolls.
    
    Scores of CDs and tapes are strewn around the stereo - obscurities such 
    as Calamity Jane, Cosmic Psychos and Billy Childish, as well as Cheap 
    Trick and the Beatles.  "Norwegian Wood" drifts down the hall to the 
    dimly lit bedroom, where Cobain lies flat on his back in striped 
    pajamas, a red-painted big toenail peeking out the other end of the 
    blanket and a couple of teddy bears lying beside him for company.  The 
    surprisingly fragrant Los Angeles night seeps through the window 
    screen.
    
    He's been suffering from a long-standing and painful stomach condition 
    - perhaps an ulcer - aggravated by stress and, apparently, his 
    screaming singing style.  Having eaten virtually nothing for over two 
    weeks, Cobain is strikingly gaunt and frail, far from the stubbly 
    doughboy who smirked out from a photo inside *Nevermind*.  It's hard to 
    believe this is the same guy who smashes guitars and wails with such 
    violence - until you notice his blazing blue eyes and the faded pink 
    and purple streaks in his hair.
    
    Cobain had abruptly canceled an earlier interview, partly because of 
    the anti-Nirvana letters that recently dominated ROLLING STONE's 
    Correspondence page and partly because the magazine borrowed the title 
    of the band's hit single "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for a headline on 
    the recent *Beverly Hills, 90210* cover.
    
    Then he came around.  "There are a lot of things about ROLLING STONE 
    that I've never agreed with," says Cobain in a gentle growl one or two 
    steps up from a whisper.  "But it's just so old school to fight amongst 
    your peers or people that are dealing with rock & roll, whether or not 
    they're dealing with it in the same context that *you* would like to.  
    There are a lot of political articles in there that I've been thankful 
    for, so it's really stupid to attack something that you're not 100 
    percent opposed to.  If there's a glimmer of hope in anything, you 
    should support it.
    
    "I don't blame the average seventeen-year-old punk-rock kid for calling 
    me a sellout," Cobain adds.  "I understand that.  Maybe when they grow 
    up a little bit, they'll realize there's more to life than living out 
    your rock & roll identity so righteously."
    
    
    
    "All I need is a break, and my stress will be over with," says the 
    twenty-five-year-old Cobain.  "I'm going to get healthy and start 
    over."
    
    He's certainly earned a break after playing nearly 100 dates on four 
    continents in five months, never staying in one place long enough for a 
    doctor to tend to his stomach problem.  And he and his band mates, 
    bassist Chris Novoselic (pronounced nova-SELL-itch) and drummer Dave 
    Grohl, have had to cope with the peculiar position of being the world's 
    first triple-platinum punk-rock band.
    
    Soon after the September release of *Nevermind*, MTV pumped "Teen 
    Spirit" night and day as the album vaulted up the charts until it hit 
    Number One.  Although the band's label, DGC, doubted the album would 
    sell over 250,000 copies, it sold 3 million in just four months and 
    continues to sell nearly 100,000 copies a week.
    
    For Nirvana, putting out their first major-label record was like 
    getting into anew car.  But he runaway success was like suddenly 
    discovering that the car was a Ferrari and the accelerator pedal was 
    Krazy Glued to the floorboard.  Friends worried about how the band was 
    dealing with it all.
    
    "Dave's just psyched," says Nils Bernstein, a good friend of the band 
    members' who coordinate their fan mail.  "He's twenty-two, and he's a 
    womanizer, and he's just:  'Score!'"  Novoselic, according to 
    Bernstein, had a drinking problem but went on the wagon this year so he 
    could stay on top of his exploding career.
    
    But rumors are flying about Cobain.  A recent item in the 
    music-industry magazine *Hits* said Cobain was "slam dancing with Mr. 
    Brownstone," Guns n' Roses slang for doing heroin.  A January profile 
    in BAM magazine claimed Cobain was "nodding off in mid-sentence," 
    adding that "the pinned pupils, sunken cheeks and scabbed, sallow skin 
    suggest something more serious than mere fatigue."
    
    Cobain denies he is using heroin.  "I don't even drink anymore because 
    it destroys my stomach," he protests.  "My body wouldn't allow me to 
    take drugs if I wanted to, because I'm so weak all the time.
    
    "All drugs are a waste of time," he continues.  "They destroy your 
    memory and your self-respect and everything that goes along with your 
    self esteem.  They're no good at all.  But I'm not going to go around 
    preaching against it.  It's your choice, but in my experience, I've 
    found they're a waste of time."
    
    Cobain brushes off speculation that he's finding fame difficult and 
    dismisses rumors that he'll soon break up the band because it has 
    become too big.  "It really isn't affecting me as much as it seems like 
    it is in interviews and the way that a lot of journalists have 
    portrayed my attitude,"  he says.  "I'm pretty relaxed with it."
    
    But people who know him say otherwise.  Choosing his words carefully, 
    Jack Endino, producer of the band's debut album, *Bleach*, says, "When 
    I saw them in Amsterdam a few months back, it seemed like they were a 
    little grouchy and...under pressure, let's put it that way."  "Kurt is 
    ready to strangle the next person who takes his picture," adds 
    Bernstein.
    
    Fame rubs against Cobain's punk ethos, which is why he refused a limo 
    ride to Nirvana's *Saturday Night Live* appearance.  "People are 
    treating him like a god, and that pisses him off," says Bernstein.  
    "They're giving Kurt this elevated sense of importance that he feels he 
    doesn't have or deserve.  So he's like 'F(ck you!'
    
    "Chris and Dave had had to pick up a lot of Kurt's slack,"  Bernstein 
    continues.  "Chris and Dave were close before, but now they're 
    inseparable."
    
    "Just to survive lately, I've become a lot more withdrawn from the 
    band," Cobain confesses.  "I dont' go party after the show; I go 
    straight to my hotel room and go to sleep and concentrate on eating in 
    the morning.  I'd rather deal with things like that.  Our friendship 
    isn't being jeopardized by it, but this tour has definitely taken some 
    years off of our lives.  I plan to make changes."
    
    Stress has gotten to Cobain before.  He had an onstage breakdown at a 
    1989 show in Rome, near the end of a particularly grueling European 
    tour.  Says Bruce Pavitt, co-owner of Sub Pop Records, Nirvana's first 
    label:  "After four or five songs, he quit playing and climbed up the 
    speaker column and was gong to jump off.  The bouncers were freaking 
    out, and everybody was just begging him to come down.  And he was 
    saying, 'No, no, I'm just going to dive.'  He had really reached his 
    limit.  People literally saw a guy wig out in front of them who could 
    break his neck if he didn't get it together."  Cobain was eventually 
    talked down.
    
    If he can stand the heat, Cobain, extremely bright and unafraid to take 
    provocative stands, may emerge as a John Lennon-like figure.  The 
    comparison with Cobain's idol isn't frivolous.  Like Lennon, he's using 
    his music to scream out an unhappy childhood.  And like Lennon, he's 
    deeply in love with an equally provocative and visionary artist - 
    Courtney Love, leader of the firey neo-feminist band Hole.
    
    Cobain and Love were married on February 24th in a secluded location in 
    Waikiki, Hawaii, after Nirvana's tour of Japan and Australia, with only 
    a female nondenominational minister and a roadie as a witness.
    
    "It's like Evian water and battery acid," Cobain says of the couple's 
    chemistry.  And when you mix the two?  "You get love," says Cobain, 
    smiling for the firs time.  Exhausted and bedridden, Cobain is still so 
    smitten that he can proclaim:  "I'm just happier than I've ever been.  
    I finally found someone that I am totally compatible with.  It doesn't 
    matter whether she's a male, female or hermaphrodite or a donkey.  
    We're *compatible*."  Whenever Love walks into the room, even if it's 
    to scold him about something, he gets the profoundly dopey grin of the 
    truly love struck.
    
    
    
    "I have through about it, and I can't come to any conclusions at all," 
    says Cobain of *Nevermind's* phenomenal success.  "I don't want to 
    sound egotistical, but I know it's better than a majority of the 
    commercial sh(t that's been crammed down people's throats for a long 
    time."
    
    *Nevermind* embodies a cultural moment; "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is an 
    anthem for (or is it against) the "Why Ask Why?" generation.  Just 
    don't call Cobain a spokesman for a generation.  "I'm a spokesman for 
    *myself*," he says.  "It just so happens that there's a bunch of people 
    that are concerned with what I have to say.  I find that frightening at 
    times because I'm just as confused as most people.  I don't have the 
    answers for anything.  I don't want to be a f(cking spokesperson."
    
    "That ambiguity or confusion, that's the whole thing," says *Nevermind* 
    producer Butch Vig.  "What the kids are attracted to in the music is 
    that he's *not* necessarily a spokesman for a generation, but all 
    that's in the music - the passion and [the fact that] he doesn't 
    necessarily know what he wants but he's pissed.  It's all these things 
    working at different levels at once.  I don't exactly know what 'Teen 
    Spirit' means, but you know it means *something* and it's intense as 
    hell."
    
    Cobain agrees the message isn't necessarily in the words.  "Most of the 
    music is really personal as far as the emotion and the experiences that 
    I've had in my life," he says, dragging on a cigarette, "but most of 
    the *themes* in the songs aren't that personal.  They're more just 
    stories from TV or books or movies or friends.  But definitely the 
    emotion and feeling is from me.
    
    "Most of the concentration of my singing is from my upper abdomen, 
    that's where I scream, that's where I feel, that's where everything 
    comes out of me - right here," he continues, touching a point just 
    below his breastbone.  It just happens to be exactly where his stomach 
    pain is centered.
    
    
    
    When 'Nevermind' his number One, Cobain was "kind of excited," he says.  
    "I wouldn't admit that at the time.  I just hope that it doesn't end 
    with us.  I hope there are other bands that can keep it going."
    
    Although Cobain is thrilled when underground bands infiltrate the 
    mainstream charts, he's outraged by others who are riding the coattails 
    of the alternative boom.  His favorite target is Pearl Jam, also from 
    Seattle, which he accused of "corporate, alternative and cock-rock 
    fusion" in a recent *Musician* magazine interview.  "Every article I 
    see written about them, they mention us, and they're baiting that 
    fact," says Cobain, sitting up cross-legged on the bed.  "I would love 
    to be erased from my association with that band and other corporate 
    bands like the Nymphs and a few other felons.  I do feel a duty to warn 
    the kids of false music that's claiming to be underground or 
    alternative.  They're jumping on the alternative bandwagon."
    
    "I don't know what I did to him; if he has a personal vendetta against 
    us, he should come to us," says Pearl Jam's Jeff Ament, who says Cobain 
    barely even said hello when they did a recent minitour together.  "To 
    have that sort of pent-up frustration, the guy obviously must have some 
    really deep insecurities about himself.  Does he think we're riding his 
    bandwagon?  *We* could turn around and say that Nirvana put out records 
    on money we made for Sub Pop when we were in Green River - if we were 
    that stupid about it."
    
    Cobain is happier to reel off a list of some of the bands he *does* 
    like:  the Breeders, the Pixies, R.E.M., Jesus Lizard, urge Overkill, 
    Beat Happening, Dinosaur Jr and Flipper.  Then there's his beloved 
    Captain America, a ramshackle pop group from Scotland.  "Eugene and 
    Frances Kelly are the Lennon and McCartney of the underworld - or the 
    Captain and Tennille," says Cobain.
    
    For the members of Nirvana, plugging fellow underground musicians is 
    one of the few consolations for the pressures of fame.  When the band 
    played Seattle's paramount Theater for its big homecoming show last 
    Halloween, its opener was Bikini Kill, a confrontational female-led 
    band from nearby Olympia that came out in lingerie with SLUT written 
    across their stomachs.  Novoselic is toying with the idea of a 
    "punk-rock MTV" featuring underground bands.
    
    Helping out fellow alternative types strengthens the community that 
    made Nirvana's own success possible.  "It's not a matter of destroying 
    the music industry," explains Sub Pop co-owner Jonathan Poneman, "it's 
    a question of being able to be *included*.  Egalitarian revolution - 
    that's what makes them a punk-rock band."
    
    
    
    It's fitting that Nirvana bumped Michael Jackson off the Number One 
    spot on the pop charts.  Besides a fondness for small children and 
    animals, Cobain and Jackson have little in common - Jackson claims it 
    doesn't matter if you're black or white, but when Cobain hears such 
    saccharine platitudes, he screams.  Jackson's music is Eighties-style 
    ear candy, while Nirvana makes grass-roots music for the Nineties.  
    There's no glamour in Nirvana, no glamour at all, in fact.
    
    Novoselic and Cobain come from rural Aberdeen, Washington, a hundred 
    miles southwest of Seattle, where Novoselic's mom runs Maria's Hair 
    Design.  A depressed logging town, Aberdeen has seen better days - 
    namely, during the whaling era in the mid-nineteenth century, when the 
    town served as one big brothel for visiting sailors, a fact that 
    Novoselic has said makes residents "a little ashamed of our roots."  
    Pervasive unemployment and a perpetually rainy, gray climate have led 
    to rampant alcoholism and a suicide rate more than twice the already 
    high state average.  The local pawnshop is full of guns, chain saws and 
    guitars.
    
    One of the more popular bars in town is actually called the Pourhouse, 
    which is where two young men about Cobain's age, Joe and James, sit 
    down for a pitcher of beer - each.  Joe is out of work because his leg 
    is broken.  "I tried to fly off a house," he explains.
    
    "Yea, I know the Cobain kid," says James.  "Faggot."
    
    "He's a *faggot*?" asks Joe, taken aback.  Recovering quickly, he 
    declares:  "We *deal* with faggots here.  We run 'em out of town."
    
    *This* is where Cobain and Novoselic grew up.  That's why they kissed 
    each other full on the lips as the *Saturday Nigh Live* credits rolled.  
    They knew it would piss off the folks back home - and everybody like 
    them.
    
    "I definitely have a problem with the average macho man - the 
    strong-oxen working-class type," Cobain says wearily, "because they 
    have always been a threat to me.  I've had to deal with them most of my 
    life - being taunted and beaten up by them in school, just having to be 
    around them and be expected to be that kind of person when you grow up.
    
    "I definitely feel closer to the feminine side of the human being that 
    I do the male - or the American idea of what a male is supposed to be," 
    Cobain continues.  "Just watch a beer commercial and you'll see what I 
    mean."
    
    Of course, Cobain was miserable in high school.  Surrounded by 
    hard-drinking metalheads whose only prospects where unemployment or 
    risking life and limb hacking down beautiful centuries-old trees, 
    Cobain was a sensitive sort, small for his age and uninterested in 
    sports.  "He was terrified of jocks and moron dudes," recalls Cobain's 
    old friend Mudhoney bassist Matt Lukin.
    
    "As I got older," says Cobain, a fan of Beckett's, Burrough's and 
    Bukowski's, "I felt more and more alienated - I couldn't find friends 
    whom I felt compatible with at all,  Everyone was eventually going to 
    become a logger, and I knew I wanted to do something different.  I 
    wanted to be some kind of artist."
    
    "If he could have been anywhere else," says his mother, Wendy O'Connor, 
    "he would have been fine - there would have been enough of his kind not 
    to stick out so much.  But this town is just exactly like Peyton Place.  
    Everybody is watching everyone and judging, and they have their little 
    slots they like everyone to stay in - and he didn't."
    
    A friend of Cobain's half-joked that *Nevermind* sold to every abused 
    child in the country, and maybe that's not far from the truth - the 
    divorce rate soared to nearly fifty percent in the mid-seventies, and 
    all those children of broken homes are becoming adults.  Including Kurt 
    Cobain.
    
    Cobain started life as a sunny child.  "He got up every day with such 
    joy that there was another day to be had," recalls his mother.  "When 
    we'd go downtown to the stores, he would sing to people."  Cobain's 
    intelligence was apparent early on.  "It kind of scared me because he 
    had perceptions like I've never seen a small child have," his mother 
    continues.  "He had life figured out really young.  He knew life wasn't 
    always fair.  Kurt was focused on the world - he would be drawing in a 
    coloring book, and the news would be on and he was very attuned to 
    that, and he was just three and a half.  He knew all about the war.
    
    "He had make-believe friends, too," O'Connor says.  "There was one 
    called Boda - he blamed everything on him.  He had to have a place at 
    the table - it just became ridiculous.  One day his uncle Clark asked 
    if he could take Boda with him to Vietnam because he was lonely there.  
    And Kurt took me aside and whispered in my ear:  'Boda isn't real.  
    Does Clark know that?'"
    
    But Cobain's parents - a secretary and an auto mechanic - divorced when 
    he was eight, and "it just destroyed his life," says his mother.  "He 
    changed completely.  I think he was ashamed.  And he became very inward 
    - he just held everything.  He became real shy.  It just devastated 
    him.  I think he's still suffering."  A bit of a "juvenile," as he puts 
    it, Cobain was shuffled from his mother to his father, uncles and 
    grandparents and back again.
    
    Cobain listened to nothing but the Beatles until he was nine, when his 
    dad began subscribing to a record club and albums by Led Zeppelin, Kiss 
    and Black Sabbath began arriving in the mail.  Then Kurt began 
    following the Sex Pistols' American tour in magazines.  He didn't know 
    what punk sounded like, because no store in town stocked the records, 
    but he had an idea.  "I was looking for something a lot heavier, yet 
    melodic at the same time," Cobain says, "something different from heavy 
    metal, a different attitude."
    
    Cobain idolized the Aberdeen band the Melvins and drove their tour van, 
    hauled their equipment and watched over 200 of their rehearsals, by 
    his estimate.  Melvins leader Buzz Osbourne became his friend and 
    mentor and took sixteen-year-old Cobain to his first rock show - Black 
    Flag.  According to erstwhile Melvins bassist Matt Lukin, "He was 
    totally blown away."  It was about this time that Cobain moved from 
    drums to guitar.
    
    I don't think he had a hell of a lot of friends," Lukin recalls.  "He 
    was always trying to start bands, but it was hard to find people who 
    wouldn't flake out on him."  Osbourne introduced him to Novoselic, a 
    shy youth so tall (he's six foot seven) that he bumped his head on the 
    beams in Cobain's house.  Cobain formed a band with this kindred spirit 
    two years his senior.  They went through names like Ed, Ted, and Fred; 
    Skid Row; and Fecal Matter before settling on Nirvana.  Nerves and 
    crummy equipment hampered their live attack, but Nirvana slowly 
    developed a powerful sound, become very popular in neighboring Olympia, 
    where they would play wild parties at Evergreen State College.
    
    Meanwhile, Cobain's mother kicked him out of the house after he quit 
    high school and played in bands instead of getting a job.  Homeless, 
    Cobain slept on friends' couches.  At one point, he lived under a 
    bridge in Aberdeen, an arrangement chronicled in *Nevermind's* 
    "Something in the Way."
    
    A vandal with a cause, Cobain loved to spray-paint the world *queer* on 
    four-by-four trucks, the redneck vehicle of choice.  Other favorite 
    graffiti included GOD IS GAY and ABORT CHRIST.  In 1985 Novoselic, 
    Osbourne and eighteen-year-old Cobain wrote HOMOSEXUAL SEX RULES on the 
    side of an Aberdeen bank (Osborne swears it said, QUIET RIOT).  While 
    Osborne and Novoselic hid in a garbage dumpster, Cobain was caught and 
    arrested.  A police report lists the contents of his pockets:  a guitar 
    pick, a key, a beer, a mood ring and a cassette by the militant punk 
    band Millions of Dead Cops.  He received a $180 fine and a thirty-day 
    suspended sentence.
    
    "He is really a very angry person," says Sub Pop's Bruce Pavitt, "so he 
    makes dramatic gestures that piss people off."  But Cobain is also 
    sensitive, and sensitive people are often the angriest.  "Exactly," 
    says Pavitt.  "That's the key."
    
    Cobain took jobs as a janitor at a hotel and at a dentist's office 
    (where he dipped into the nitrous) and moved in with Matt Lukin, who 
    was then with the Melvins.  Just to freak the neighbors, Cobain made a 
    satanic-looking doll and hung it from a noose in his window.  He kept 
    some pet turtles in a bathtub that he put in the front room.  THen 
    realized that there was no way to drain the water, so Lukin, a 
    carpenter, simply cut a hole in the floor.  The foundation eventually 
    became water-logged, leaving the rickety shack teetering.
    
    In a demo session with producer Jack Endino, one of the patron saints 
    of the Seattle grunge scene, Cobain and Melvins drummer Dale Crover 
    finished ten songs in one afternoon.  Impressed, Endino played the tape 
    for Sub Pop's Jonathan Poneman.  (Two cuts would up on *Bleach*, and 
    later this year Sub Pop will release a collection of Nirvana rarities).
    
    At a Seattle coffee shop, Poneman met Cobain, who was awed by Sub Pop 
    because it boasted one of his favorite bands, Soundgarden.  Novoselic 
    showed up a bit later.  Chris was drunk and belligerent," recalls 
    Poneman, "and just didn't give a flying f(ck about it - 'Okay, you want 
    to put out our records, that's cool.' And then he'd insult me."  
    Poneman signed Nirvana anyway.
    
    A year and two drummers later, in October 1988, Sub Pop released the 
    single "Love Buzz"/"Big Cheese"; *Bleach* was released in June 1989, 
    recorded for the princely sum of $606.17.  (Jason Everman didn't 
    actually play on the album, although he was credited as a guitarist 
    because he bankrolled the recording.  "We still owe him the $600," says 
    Cobain.  "Maybe I should send him off a check.")
    
    *Bleach* sold slowly at first, but after a few months critical raves 
    and effusive praise from indie kingpins Sonic Youth eventually helped 
    *Bleach* to sell 35,000 copies, very impressive for an indie release.  
    (The album's sales exploded in the wake of *Nevermind*.)
    
    But by this time, *Bleach* drummer Chad Channing was history.  Osborne 
    knew Dave Grohl from sharing bills with Grohl's band, Scream.  After 
    Scream's basisst quit, Grohl called Osborne in desperation, and Osborne 
    hooked him up with his old buddies in Nirvana.  "Chris and Kurt liked 
    Dave because he hits the drums harder than anybody," says producer 
    Butch Vig.
    
    In August 1990, Nirvana recorded six tracks with Vig for a planned Sub 
    Pop album.  *Bleach* was very good, but Cobain had returned to the 
    studio with songs that were a quantum leap past anything he'd done 
    before.
    
    Meanwhile, Sub Pop had begun talking to major labels about a 
    distribution deal.  Figuring that if they had to be on a major label, 
    they might as well choose it themselves, the members of Nirvana began 
    shopping the Vig demos.  Only a major could afford to buy Nirvana out 
    of their Sub Pop contract, and major distribution would get their punk 
    to the people.  "That's pretty  much my excuse for not feeling guilty 
    about why I'm on a major label," says Cobain.  "I should feel really 
    guilty about it; I should be living out the old punk-rock threat and 
    denying everything commercial and sticking in my own little world and 
    not really making an impact on anyone other than the people who are 
    already aware of what I'm complaining about.  It's preaching to the 
    converted."
    
    A bidding war broke out among a handful of labels.  Nirvana signed to 
    DGC, the label run by entertainment magnate David Geffen, a subsidiary 
    of giant MCA and the home of Guns n' Roses and Cher.  The band received 
    $287,000 in advance money.
    
    The group approached R.E.M. producer Scott Litt and Southern pop 
    maestro Don Dixon, but neither wound up taking the job, and the band 
    chose Vig to produce instead.  During rehearsals for the album, one 
    song really stuck out.  "As soon as they started playing 'Teen 
    Spirit,'" Vig says, "it was awesome sounding.  I was pacing around the 
    room, trying not to jump up and down in ecstasy."
    
    *Nevermind* was recorded last spring for $135,000, including living 
    expenses, mastering and even Vig himself (he has since renegotiated his 
    deal).  Slayer producer Andy Wallace mixed the album.  Vig knew 
    something was up when all sorts of people started asking him for 
    advance tapes; now he's besieged with offers to produce bands and "make 
    them sound like Nirvana."
    
    
    
    Just last September Novoselic and Cobain were so poor they had to pawn 
    their amps; now Cobain gets twenty bucks out of the cash machine and 
    finds there's another $100,000 in his account.  When Novoselic told a 
    friend he'd bought a five-bedroom house in Seattle, the friend pointed 
    out that the payments would just be another headache.  "What payments?"  
    Novoselic replied.  He'd paid for the house in full.
    
    "A lot of people as me:  'When's he going to buy you a new car?  When's 
    he going to buy you a house?'"  says Cobain's mother.  "I couldn't even 
    accept it if he offered it.  We could have helped him along if we would 
    have realized that this was really going to be something.  We thought 
    he'd get over it.  I wish we would have helped him out a little more.  
    He owes us nothing."
    
    Nirvana, however, owes DGC another record, which the band will likely 
    start recording late this fall or early winter.  Says Jonathan Poneman, 
    "Either Kurt is going to create something that is an ornate 
    masterpiece, or he is going to create something angry and filled with 
    rage and confusion." Butch Vig thinks it might be a low-key acoustic 
    album.
    
    "I have a pretty good idea," says Cobain.  "I think both of the 
    extremes will be in the next album - it'll be more raw with some songs 
    and more candy pop on some of the others.  It won't be as 
    one-dimensional." 
    
    One-dimensional or not, there's a good change Cobain's audience just 
    doesn't get his message.  The antimacho "Territorial Pissings" was used 
    as background music for a football show; "Smells LIke Teen Spirit" 
    might suffer the same fate as "Rockin' in the Free World" or "Born in 
    the U.S.A." - listeners may not get the irony at all.  Actually, Cobain 
    called it in the chorus to *Nevermind's* "In Bloom" - "He's the one who 
    likes all the pretty songs/And he likes to sing along.../But he knows 
    not what it means."  Cleverly, the song is a natural-born sing-along, 
    trapping listeners into the joke.
    
    According to Nils Bernstein, most Nirvana fan letters are along the 
    lines of "Hey, dude, I saw your video and bought your tape!  You guys 
    kick *ass!*"
    
    "*Everybody* says, 'You guys kick *ass*'," says Bernstein.  About half 
    ask for the lyrics to "Teen Spirit" (the complete lyrics to *Nevermind* 
    will be included with the next single, "Lithium").  Most letter writers 
    are between then and twenty-two, buy cassettes and watch MTV.  "There's 
    not very many sexual letters," says Bernstein, "which is a drag.  The 
    ones from prison are the best ones; also the ones from the military."  
    And what do soldiers say?  "They say, 'Hey, you guys kick some *ass*!'"
    
    Cobain accepts that much of his new audience is made up of the same 
    type who hassled him in high school.  "I can't have a lot of animosity 
    toward them, because I understand that a lot of people's personalities 
    aren't necessarily their choice - a lot of times, they're pushed into 
    the way they live," he says.  "Hopefully, they'll like our music and 
    listen to something else that's in the same vein, that's a bit 
    different from Van Halen.  Hopefully, they'll be exposed to the 
    underground by reading interviews with us.  Knowing that we do come 
    from a punk-rock world, maybe they'll look into that and change their 
    ways a bit."
    
    But it's doubtful that most of them ever will.  "Yeah, it seems 
    hopeless," Cobain says with a sigh.  "But it's fun to fight.  It gives 
    you something to do.  It relieves boredom."  He laughs.
    
    
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    Readin articals like this is what I'm gonna miss most when you're
    gone,F.
    
                        Crazy_"sniff"_Al

    
    
    gee thanks Al!  I thought noone had noticed this article!  Or maybe
    noone is interested!  
    
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    ...or maybe it was so long that nobody's finished reading it yet.
    
    Lot'sa work, F., Thanks!
    
    gh  (with it off in mail waiting to get read)

    
    
    Has anyone heard the spoof on Smells?
    
    
    Called Smells like Rice crispies.
    
    Hilarious.
    
    Gerry

    Everyone's doing some sort of take off on SLTS these days, it seems to
    be a popular target.  I've heard two of 'em already, and have heard of
    two more.
    
    gh

	Yea, besides that they really do seem to be virtually everywhere;

	- This morning I was walking down to beautiful Medford Sq (MA) to
	catch a bus and while on route I hear "Polly" being played by
	some practicing musicians in a nearby house.  I guess the sign
	"no Stairway" in music shops will soon be replaced by "No Smells..."

	- Jim

	p.s. Not to be outdone by the Goddess (all the best to you...)
	I hope to enter in a good piece on the whole Olympia, WA, etc.
	thing hopefully.  I wish I had a scanner or didn't mess around so
	much in a high school typing class - haven't improved much from the
	11 words a minute (just slightly kidding, my single finger technique 
	with a pencil usually in one hand works just fine.  Lastly regarding
	the reference in that Rolling Stone article a few back that mentioned
	the Nymphs - who quite literally headlined recently but I won't go
	into the details - and I thought shows had gotten status-quo'ish'

    If it was a rerun of the last time they were on the show, then the
    songs they did were "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Territorial
    Pissings" (in that order, trashing the stage at the end of T.P.).
    
    gh

    Territorial pissings is an excellant song!
    
    
                                                  Staynz

    
    It's the best on the release, IMO.

	Oh yea, a few back regarding the bit about Cobain disliking the
	Melvins this also adds to the silliness of the statement that
	his name was spelled wrong again on one of the Melvins earlier
	records in the Thanks column (Kurdt Ko-Bain).  Also, I'm not
	surprised that the latest Trouser Press book has it spelled wrong.

	If you liked Territorial Pissings then you may like the tracks
	from the BBC sessions currently only available as a Japanese import 
	(and Australia) but soon to be domestically available in the states.

	I think Sup Pop is also planning a tribute to the Vaselines
	release shortly and odd as it may sound (pun intended?  I don't
	know) Bleach has been re-released AGAIN this time remastered.
	talk about oxy moronic marketing cash-ins but it probably will
	also sell.  What better way to make morons like myself re-buy
	something.

	Since I'm too lazy to extract the relevant bits below you can be
	bored by the whole of it.

	Hormoaning....
	
	I forget where this was started, someone had asked about the Aussie
	release of Hormoaning so I'll mention it here...

	The "limited" (who knows, possibly 'limited to 100,000' or 'limited to
	as many as we can sell') Australian edition of Hormoaning does appear
	to be unique as compared with the Japanese release.  The vinyl copy
	has an entirely different cover, the group is pictured in a bathtub,	
	as does the CD.

	The other included tracks other than the Cobain EIHY and Aneurysm are 
	two tracks written by the Vaselines (one member Eugene Kelly now in 
	Capt. America), _Molly Lips_ and _Son Of a Gun_, Devo's _Turnaround_ 
	and _D7_ (Greg Sage), a great "demented-7" tune.

	The Aussie "Bleach" '92 limited edition comes in a bag with tour
	dates on it and poster.

	Also worth noting is a recent NME interview (21-Mar-92) with Chris
	Novoselic (...sell-itch) where he mentioned a similar future release 
	such as Frank Zappa's beat-the-bootleggers.  I'd like to see stuff
	such as 'Punk Rock' "Polly" studio/radio thing show up on it.  It's
	a really great version of Polly, Polly at the speed of sound...

	Lastly I'm interested in an early (autumn '86 collaboration between 
	Cobain and Dale Crover, the Melvins drummer, I think it was just a 
	demo..."Fecal Matter", recorded on a four-tarck.


          -< Danny Goldberg - Swan Song / Modern Records / Nirvana? >-
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    	I found this interesting; Danny Goldberg, the former VP for Swan
    	Song went on to his own ventures at Modern Records and now I see
    	a reference to a Danny Goldberg as manager of Nirvana in association
    	with Gold Mountain Entertainment.  Is it the same person?  I knew
    	someone by the name of Susan Silver was their manager but maybe
    	things have changed.  The Danny mentioned had a partner with a
    	sirname of Silva.  I would guess that Nirvana's single "Sliver" 
    	was named somewhat after one of them.
    
    	Just some more rambling.

    	- Jim

	Again I forget where this left off....never mind..so I include it
	again for the sake of confusion.

	Have a hangover...

	Kurt as stated many times in interviews that he enjoys both the 
	Breeders and Pixies...as well as constantly mentioning other bands
	who he enjoys. (Captain America, Melvins, Flipper, Buthole...
	etc.)

	Has anyone else noticed Kurt giving everyone the finger in the 
	insert, I forget which (if all or not) formats?  I do recall it 
	being clearer in some formats...

	I had heard about the Killing Joke and "Come as You Are" comparison
	before, some reviewers have pointed out the similarities.
	
	I am curious about the Alien Sex Fiend "Smells Like..."  Also, an 
	old Creem magazine makes reference to "Smells Like a Hit Song" - 
	gee that's it the lyrics all come from back issues of Creem!

32017> I'm pretty sure they were engineered and produced by Craig Montgomery. 
	I know EIHY and Aneurysm were.

	I seem to recall him being involved with those two tracks...I think
	they were from pre-Nevermind and DGC conceptions, i.e., demos
	possibly while still under Sup Pop.

	Also, the UK "Wipeout" record has a couple of very close (if not
	final) mixes to Nevermind tracks, some of the 4 covers from Hormoaning
	(which was also earlier bootlegged as 2 EP 7"), I forget the other
	things about this,....

	As for the "Endless Nameless" track it's on the UK edition of the
	"Come as You Are" single along with the EIHY and Aneurysm.  The
	US version has two live tracks "School" from Bleach and "Drain You"
	both recorded in late October at the Paramount Theater in Seattle,
	the bands home coming I believe before off to UK again.
	
	I think only a limited first shipment of US Nevermind CD didn't
	have "Endless Namesless" making them "collectible".  I know of
	no vinyl having copies of Nevermind with it...

	Where are they now, Japan (I think there's another single out there)
	They been to Australia...something like 100 shows in the last 5 months!

	Needless to say Butch Vig (Smashing Pumpkins, at least one other I 
	should be able to recall -) is being pursued...

	Kurt is planning to get with his ex-girlfriend from Bikini Kill to
	release some songs they wrote when the were together.  Kurt and
	Chris appears on Mark Lanegan's(Screaming Trees)  solo, one track.

	Also, maybe him and Courtney will collaborate on some side projects.
 
>32047 Does anyone have a recording of Nirvana's Amsterdam jam ...

	I've yet to see or hear any comments but it has been advertised in
	various record collector rags.
 
32228> Here in Australia we got told that the EP was a Australian tour 
	exclusive...

	I believe the insert or something to that affect is exclusive, i.e.
	the package only.  Also, it's the only place I've seen vinyl edition
	availability.

             
    }} Territorial pissings is an excellant song!
    
    If you like that, check out their single with "Aneurysm" and 
    "Even In His Youth".  They're excellent songs that aren't on Nevermind.
    
    'pril 
    

    Or "Dive" from "The Grunge Years" compilation.
    
    gh

	Yea, I like "Dive" a lot...there is a lot of other non-Bleach
	and Nevermind songs when you include various covers, Greg Sage
	(ex-Wipers), Vaselines as already mentioned in that earlier ranting 
	of mine that 'Pril condensed into one meaningful sentence, Devo, 
	their first on Sup Pop "Love Buzz" (Shocking Blue)...etc.  Some 
	radio stations also play a non-official song called Rape Me or
	something like that from I think the same show as some of the live 
	tracks which are on some singles as noted below.

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.128>  I'm still not buying Nevermind, not even for endless nameless.
    
    	Who told you to buy it?  Not me!
    
    	Those of you who like live tracks, "School" and "Drain You"
    	from the Paramount Theater in Seattle in late October '91
    	are on the "Come As You Are" U.S. CD5.  The 7" is b/w the LP
    	version of "Drain You".
    
    	As far I can tell some early U.S. "Nevermind" CD's didn't have
    	the extra track "Endless Nameless".  The U.K. version of the
    	"Come as You Are" single will have it and one other previously
    	unreleased track.  Supposeldly the first 40,000 shipped discs
	either didn't have it by accident or on intentionally.
    
    	Only a nut would buy Bleach for the recently added "Downer" track.
    
    	- Jim
        

    Nirvana has a new video on Mtv. It's called "Lithium"..
    
      VERY original live shot footage video...I don't think I've seen
    anybody do that since...ummm...ummmm, YESTERDAY!
    
               Friz
    

    Here's a question for all you Nirvana heads out there.I bought
    Nevermind on cd and wondered if..........
    
    
    does everyones version have about 8 minutes of silence at the end of
    the last listed track then some heavily distorted guitar type frenzy?
    I talked to a guy on my shift and he says he hasn't!!
    
                                                 Staynz

    
    sigh.
    
    The name of the track is Endless Nameless...it should be on every cd
    released in the UK, however, they goofed and left it off the first few
    thousand.  If you have a CD without the track you have the limited
    edition.....
    
    ....until recently....I've heard that they are now releasing the CD
    without endless nameless.  
    
    Bloody awful track anyway.
    
    Flip

    Ta!
    
    
                                                   Staynz

    
    	It's supposed to be awful ... it's a backwards recording of who-
    	knows-what.
    
    	But I like it.
    
    							GTI
    

    It's not awful.
    
    If you have it, hold on to it because the newer pressings do not
    have "Endless Nameless" on them. So you can be the lucky one to
    have one of 40 zillion copies with it on it.
    
    Bill.
    

    
    Not awful?  It's not worth waiting the 12 minutes of silence for the
    track to start.  I'd rather listen to the real stuff and put Bleach on
    for a spin.
    
    Flip

	My cheapo player doesn't have it but I guess some can skip over
	these types of moments of silence.  I wonder if the track was
	encoded to allow this.

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	I didn't realize till yesterday when someone told me that some CD
	players allow you to program it to skip encoded track indexes which
	might be handy in the cases of tracks with preceded moments of 
	silence such as pointed out in base note.  That's if I understood 
	it right!

	- Jim

    Personally,i think the Bleach album is quite appalling.
    
    My mate gave it to me `cos he couldn`t stand it - and er,neither can
    i. If anyone wants a free copy,just ask. 
    
    It gives me the same nauseating feeling as when i hear the Butthole
    Surfers.
    

>    It gives me the same nauseating feeling as when i hear the Butthole
>    Surfers.
    
    Sounds like I better go pick up some Butthole Surfers then!!!
    
    gh

    Why are you having the WAVES again?  I told you shouldv'e had that
    Chinese food!!!
    
             Friz
    

    No! Don`t! It`s not good for your health! Just try "Locust Abortion
    Technician" or "Stairway to Steven". Quite appalling.
    

    Butthole surfers---- Cream Corn
    
    Friz, you butthole surf when you doing you splits.. right?

    Negative.....But it does have something to do with cream corn when
    I do the splits.  8P
    
           Friz
               

    I haven't heard the Butthole surfers but I've heard Bleach and thought
    it ok.A lot of the songs have very repative lines but they're full of
    energy,so what the hell!  8)
    
    
    
                                               Staynz

    Bob...How about ya come to Colorado and see how many quaters I can kick
    out of your head!
    
           Friz
    

    Bleach rulz.  Listening to it right now as a matter of fact.  The
    Surfers are okay, but they don't compare to Nirvana...btw, it's
    *Hairway* to Stephen.  The last track on Nevermind doesn't sound
    backwards to me, just like they did a free-for-all in the studio.  You
    know, ya got some extra time recording an album, why waste $ ?  At
    least that's my opinion.
    
    btw, Congrats Coop!!!  I'm sure Jamie is an angel...  8)
    
    'pril

     OH MAN! I heard on Mtv news yesterday that Courtney Love(Wife of Kurt
    Cobain) is going to be in the next issue of VANITY FAIR in a see-though
    teddy.  BTW-She's about 7 months pregnant.....
    Reports say that they had to air-brush a ciggerette out of her hand.
    She's been smoking and shooting herion though out her 7-months.
       They said she also bad-mouths everyone in Paerl Jam,Soundgarden,plus
    the other members of Nirvana. 
     The couple is now being compared to Sid and Nancy...
    
                  Friz
    

    My kinda people......................NOT!!
    

    HEY!!! They started the whole grunge thing YOU so much adore.
    
         Btw-She fronts her own band called "HOLE"...maybe she should drop
    off into one. 
            The issue of VANITY FAIR will be out Aug. 11th and I'll be sure
    to buy it.
                    Friz
    

    She sounds like the 90s version of Nancy Whatsherface (ex-SO of Sid
    Vicious)

    Sounds like she needs to be placed where she cannot endanger the child
    she is carrying.... if the rumours are true about the cigs & smack!
    
    Personally....
    
    If the child does not make it, or is hooked on smack because of her
    addiction... she should be prosecuted for some offense around
    endangering her childs life....
    
    Bonzo

    I just thought I'd drop a quick note in here to let everyone know how
    much Friz enjoyed listening to my Bleach tape this afternoon.  I didn't
    think I was gonna get my Walkman back from him!  I can still hear him
    humming "Negative Creep"!
    
    gh

    And if you believe -1 then I have some beachfront property in 
    Colorado to sell to ya!
    
            Friz
    

    Methinks thou doest object too much.

    sha....
    
     Friz
    

    re: the bill shakespeare usage...it's "methinks thou doth protest too
    much!"...........if yer gonna do it...do it right...............;').../k

    Oh like a couple of mistyped letters in one word makes it wrong.
    
    No, FrizGRUNGE, you wouldn't buy it...
    
    
    
    
    YOU'D JUST COME OVER TO MY OFFICE AND MOOCH A LISTEN OFF MY COPIES!
    
    gh

    I was interested to see how FACKIN' awful it was...It sure didn't let
    me down!
    
              8P~~~~HURL!!!!!!
    
           Friz
    

    Screw Kurt Cobain....Listen to Greg (Cobain) House's demo!!!!!!!
    
       Friz
    

    Now if only people would *buy* my stuff like they did Cobain's...
    
    gh

    MOVE TO SEATTLE....
    
         FRIZ
    

    
        >             -< It beats raising cattle........ >-
    
    
    	Hmmm ... is Frizzz a Weird Al fan?
    
    							GTI
    

    I'm more of a Weird Al fan than a Nirvana fan.
    
            Friz
    

    Cool interview with Kurt Cobain in the most recent Advocate.
    Kurt disspells a lot of rumors generated by past interviews,
    and tells it like it is.  has some interesting things to say
    about GnR/Axl Rose.
    
    Thanks for our beloved former deccie Carla Blazek for forwarding
    me a copy.

    What is an "Advocate"?

    The Advocate is like this Gay/Lesbian mag publication -- look like 
    it's geared towards like the activist types... ???  Anywho, the
    interview with Cobain is kind of neat..

    So where do you find this mag.?
    
    	Better yet why don't you just reprint it for us? :^)

    
    	Sooooo....has anyone heard any stuff off the new album?
    
    	The 'alternative' rock station here has been playing
    'heart shaped box' for a few days.... pretty good tune.
    	/john 

    
    Just heard this new tune,... Its nice,,,
    
    SueJ

    I didn't like it....it sounds like all of their other songs...

Agreed - this song is Lithium all over again.

Agreed - this song is Lithium all over again.

    
    	Tim, once would have been fine.  Thanks.  8^)
    
    	And WAAF has been playing "Heart-Shaped Box" also ... not bad,
    	but nothing special.
    
    							GTI
    

    I picked up In Utero last night. 
    
    I like it, but then again, I like Nirvana. Your mileage
    may vary.
    
    Interesting intervew/story about the band in SPIN.
    	/john

     
     How is this album compared to Nevermind?  I Have that, and
    Incesticide, like both (for that type of music)...
    
     Didn't like Bleach much though..
    
    Keith
    

    I have Incesticide and didn't think much of it.There's a couple of
    really good songs but they're few and far between.

    I think Bleach and the singles before Nevermind (like "Dive") were
    their best.  But I did like Nevermind.  The one song I've heard from
    the new one had the "Nevermind" kind of sound to it.
    
    gh

    I watched these guys on SNL again.  The "Rape Me" riff sounds just like
    "Smells Like Teen Spirit."

    How were they otherwise?  What songs did they play?  How'd it sound
    with the extra guitar player?
    
    gh

     
     They are smart. If it sells, don't stop milking it until its gone dry.
    
     I'm sure they will make a coupla million more off this one...
    
    Later,
    
    Keith
    

    The first tune they did was ok.  I'm not sure what it was called. 
    "Rape Me" was the 2nd and I thought it was lame.
    
    

     
     Yeah some of the stuff on that album sucks... Theres about 5 or 6 
    songs that are good.  Video out for one song off new album, forget
    what title it was...
    
    Keith
    

    I got one...69.

    
    	In a german newspaper they gave the new album 5 stars (out of 5).
    	I remember sentences like:
    
    	...one can feel the hate, the anger, they shout it out...
    	...angry guitars...
    	...this is what R&R was ment to be...
    	...most revolutionary since punk...
    
    	well, havn't heard it, but sounds a bit too overwhelming.
    
    	...SJ...

     
     Actually, there are a good 7 songs out of 10 on this one..
    
     At least 3 could be directly on the Nevermind release.. One uses the
    "Smells like teen Spirit" chords exactly.. :'>
    
    Keith
    

    The Group will Play at The Wallace Civic_Center on Nov.12th.
    Tix on Sale Satur_Day(Ticket_Master and The Orpheum_Theater Box_Office.
    General Admission(Watch_Out)$21.50 which InCludes a $2 Parkin_Fee.
    
    
                       Crazy_Utero_Al

Anyone catch Nirvana on MTV Unplugged last night?

    Yeah, I saw most of Nirvana on MTV Unplugged...yawn.  It forced me to
    head for bed by making me really sleepy.  These guys are TRES boring
    without the screaming and distortion!  I thought Cobain's vocals were
    too low in the mix.  Someone should have snatched that accordian from
    Novaselich (sp) and smashed it to bits, that would have improved the
    sound about 75%.  And when he wasn't playing that, it seemed like his
    bass lines were out of key in places, gak.  
    
    Plus, it wasn't entirely "unplugged".  I heard distortion on one of
    Cobain's guitar solos.  Doubt that was coming out that Martin
    *acoustic* guitar he was playing...  
    
    The drummer looked bored completely stiff...
    
    They also played a lot of new songs that I didn't know ('cause I
    haven't heard "In Utero").
    
    Honestly, to me the best thing about the show was their stage setup (a
    buncha flowers and candles), which at least had some visual appeal.  
    
    My wife also thought it was boring, and...well...she actually listens
    to, and *likes*, a lot of boring stuff!!
    
    Greg

    I Liked the Cover they did of Bowie's"The Man who Sold_The_World."
    
    

    The whole eMpTyV "Unplugged" thing is NAFF!  I saw Duran Duran the
    other night -- full mic'd n midi'd drum kit, elec organ...the guitar
    and bass were "acoustic" by nature, but plugged in and processed
    (reverbs and delays!).  Plus they had a full string section, pianist
    (a REAL one!), and a couple of backing vocalists...and they STILL
    sucked!  
    
    A solid 10 on the Zzzzzzzzzz scale (the Nadia Commanich of Nodoze!).

    Yeah I saw that one too, Buck.  Reminded me how dependant some people
    are on technology.  Most of Duran Duran's songs just didn't hold up to
    being played on (relatively) simple instruments.  I suppose there's
    nothing wrong with that, but you'd think they'd recognize what works
    and what doesn't and try to avoid embarrassing themselves by playing so
    far outside of their context.
    
    Greg

    -1
    
    Yeah, I sor of like DD's stuff -- that processed, textured (and
    layered) sound appeals to me on a studio level.  The tunes themselves
    are pretty much pap, but I like the tones they achieve.  It was
    definitely lost live.

    re: Buck
    
    I agree completely, also how I feel about DD.  The "acoustic" versions
    made the fact that the songs are really pretty poor stick out like a
    sore thumb.
    
    gh

    
    Most bands that are boring when unplugged, also are not very great
    players.
    
    
    Hannu

    maybe they just are not very good showman or have poor showmanship.
                                                      
    chris 

    They (eMpTyV) had that *retched* Duran Duran Unplugged show on again
    last night ... 
    
      _    /|   
      \'o.O'    
      =(___)=   Aack!!!
         U      

    
    
    well I've got my tickets for the Scottish date! 8)
    
    
    						ian

    You have to buy a ticket to get a date there?!  And they say Scots are
    better lovers?!  

    I would gladly give all I own to shag Kurt Corbain! 8)
    
    
    							ian

    Ah ya cheeky monkey!

    the one and only! 8)
    
    
    						ian

    
    ....I should have left this post for Seth.....;')...but, nirvana lead
    singer Kurt Cobain is in a coma...following an overdose of barbituates
    ....in an apparent attepmted suicide....this happened while the band
    was on tour in Rome, Italy......some reports have even said he's died..
    .......
    

    Kurt....
    
    
    He's just so punk
    
    
    :), d

    
    
    
    Heard he's still alive, just comafied... 
    
    Whit-

    ...it's hell being well known, well liked and well off, isn't
    it?...../k

    How Would you know??
    
                         Crazy_:_)_Al  

    
    
       I hope all those impressionable youths dont start trying to kill
    themselves just to be cool like him. Being rich and famous, and having
    a good time must be hell.
    
    
    
                                              
                                                *B*

    I heard, he was in between European concert dates and went to Rome
    to see his wife and 2yr old kid, and OD on barbituates and champagne.
    It must be pretty tough, I mean his wife is pretty good looking,
    not to mention the muffins he's probably baking on the side, and
    all the cha-ching he's making...Ya I'd rather be dead too...

    HE SOLD HIS SOUL IN A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL AND NOW HE'S COLLECTING!

    According to someone in Radio_Radio, Cobain's out of the coma and is
    recovering.
    
    gh

    
    
       yore going ta hell boy! hell hounds on yore tail boy!
    
    

 >  It must be pretty tough, I mean his wife is pretty good looking,
    
	I'd classify Courtney a lot of things, but "good-looking isn't
	one of them...

	/Cap'n Quad

    RE: .194
    
    >It must be pretty tough, I mean his wife is pretty good looking,
    >not to mention the muffins he's probably baking on the side
    
    Yeah, after that interview in The Advocate, I wonder what kind of
    muffins he's baking on the side as well?!
    
    
    RE: .195
    
    Ahhh--you're possessed by the Devil (dawg)!
    
    
    RE: .196
    
    Yeah, I just heard the same on 'BCN...he's out of the coma now.

    Radio news just reported that Kurt Cobain has OD'd again is in a
    coma again.  Doctors think he may not be so lucky this time since he
    hasn't fully recovered from the first episode.

    wow you're full of the april fool's jokes today, eh Mike?
    
    
    
    

    
    
      Since Cobain OD'ed, I consider him an incredible fool, so what better
    day to give hime some $h|t !!!
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    ...just read in MUSIC that someone heard that Cobain shot himself with
    a gunshot and is no longer with us??.....anyone hear this?...../k

    
    
    	Hmmm... maybe I should hang on to the Utero CD that I
    	got from BMG because I forgot to send in the card and
    	keeping to mail back to them.....  then again..maybe not. =)
    

    Yeah, I just heard it in the mutternings note!
    
    :')
    
    

    Supposedly he had been missing for 6 days.  They found him with the
    shotgun at his side and a suicide note.

    
    His wife read his suicide note to the fans....
    
    His last words: Its better to Burn OUt than Fade away... 
    			I love u I love U I Love U
    
    What a jerk!
    

    
    
       Was that all that he said ??
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    I caught the last half...
    
    He said he just didnt have the passion anymore.
    
    She was hard to understand because she was crying.....
    
    

    
    >She was hard to understand because she was crying.....
    
    
    	Maybe whatever he left her isn't enough to support her drug
    	habit.
    
    							GTI

    It's pretty selfish to abandon a wife and 2-year old child.

    
    
    Anyone sick of Nirvana yet? Just watch MTV.. Ya know, I didn't really
    care for him.. thought he was arrogant.. but still, God have mercy on 
    him....
                          
    Whit-

    
    
    	RE: Whit
    	>but still, God have mercy on him....
    
    	Agreed.  It's sad to see that his only escape was taking
    	his own life - but what I don't understand is the people
    	tha MTV were interviewing on the street and how they all
    	said it was such a "shock" to them.  ...the main was in
    	a drug induced *coma* a couple weeks ago.  It didn't 
    	surprise me at all!
    
    	As far as leaving his wife and child behind - it is selfish
    	but if someone is low enough in a state of depression to
    	actually develop a plan, and ultimately carry it out, to take
    	their own life - they may truly see no other way.  It's just
    	a shame he wasn't straight enough to see he could've received
    	help.
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    I greee with Mike,suicide is the ultimate in selfishness.He's left his
    wife and baby to try and mop up the emotional wreck he's leaving
    behind.If he didn't have the passion for it all.He should just have
    split up the band and passed into obscurity.I took my ticket back and
    got my money back.My friend works at the ticket desk and told me there
    had been people in on saturday nearly in tears as they handed back
    their ticket!
    
    
    						ian

    Last evening's news mentioned something about a 28-year old fan or
    relative (caught tail end of the report) that went out and committed 
    suicide just like Kurt did.

    Well, at least the parents can't sue Cobain.

Now I finally figured out what that line was from Teen Spirit

	Here we are now, don't restrain us,
	blow your brains out, entertain us....

    Okay, you knew it would be only a matter of time so here's the first of 
    them.....

    WARNING!  Don't hit return if you don't want to be grossed out...


Are you SURE?



 How does Kurt Cobain gather his thoughts?

      With a squeegee


 What was the last thing to go through his mind?

      His teeth


 What color are his eyes?

      Blue.  One blue right, the other left.........

    
    
      Did anyone find out the rest of the suicide letter?
    
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    Seems kind of ironic, but the last song that Nirvana released is 
    called "I Hate Myself And I Want To Die".  It's on the Beavis &
    Butthead Experience disc.
    
    gh

	I I think "I Hate Myself and I Want to Die" was slated for release
	on "In Utero" but it was a little too hardcore by some exec's stds
        for the album - that's why it was released on B&B
	
	/Cap'n Quad

    
    
      Reports say he was back on heroin before he blew himself away.
    
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    
    
    I caught most of the letter on MTV the other night. I couldn't really
    make out much of it.. His wife was crying and was adding little
    comments after each sentence like "You as*hole, I can't believe you 
    did this... everyone, please yell as*hole!" Then everyone yells it.
    She only read parts of it, she kept saying "and then he has some
    personal stuff which is non of your damn business". 
    
    Whit-

    I don't know if I heard this right,But I think I did.
    At the end of the Phone_Message she says Some_Thing like..
    "I've been Sleeping with Curt's Mother Every_Night Because her
    Body is Kind of like Curts."
    
    HHHmmmmmmmmmmmm?.?
       
        Crazy_Ex_Squeeze_Me??

    >> "I've been Sleeping with Curt's Mother Every_Night Because her
    >>  Body is Kind of like Curts."
    
    
    hahahaha......;')))....actually I think she said something along the lines 
    of, "I've been sleeping with Kurt's mother every night...and when I wake up
    I think it's Kurt because their bodies are kind of the same..."
    

    That's gross.  Next thing ya know they'll be moving to the Sweet Sister
    Spirit Farm.  

    
    Where was Kurt last seen?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Hanging around in his living room....
    

    there was a story on the radio this morning that the day before they
    found Kurt,Courtney was picked up by police  for possession of drugs
    and receiving stolen goods!
    
    
    
    					ian

    
    I heard it was POSSESSION only.

    Yesterday's paper had some interesting things to say about her as well,
    kind of shed some new light on her comments about sleeping with Kurt's
    mom.  Courtney claimed she has bumped uglies with 15 women.  Maybe she
    draws the line at animals, like Elfin.

    ....mikey..you have such a delightful, yet disarmingly revolting way of
    putting things.........................................../k

    ..by the way...Ian....aren't you going to put your Kurt and Courtney as
    the 90's version of Sid and Nancy, theory in here??......./k

> ..by the way...Ian....aren't you going to put your Kurt and Courtney as
> the 90's version of Sid and Nancy, theory in here??.......

Hey, I already had that theory going!

alan

    thanks for the compliment, /k!

    So, what was it exactly that ol' Courtney was busted for?

    
    	Or impersonating a female.
    
    							GTI
    

    I was gonna say that, Shawn, but was trying to be PeeCee(tm).

    The following is the message that Courtney taped for fans at Kurt's
    public memorial service:
    
    I don't know what to say. I feel the same way you do guys do. If you
    guys don't think... to sit in this room where he played guitar and
    sang, and feel so honored to be near him, you're crazy... Anyway, he
    left a note, it's more like a letter to the fucking editor. i don't
    know what happened. I mean it was gonna happen, but it could've
    happened when he was 40.
    He always said he was gonna outlive everybody and be hundred and
    twenty. I'm not gonna read you all the note 'cause it's none of the
    rest of your fucking business. But some of it is to you. I don't
    really think it takes away his dignity to read the considering that
    it's addressed to most of you. he's such an asshole. I want you all to
    say 'asshole' really loud. "This note should be pretty easy to
    understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the
    years since my first introduction to the shall we say, ethics involved
    with independance and embracement of your community, it's proven to be
    very true. "Ihaven't felt the excitment of listening to as well as
    creating music, along with really writing something, for too many
    year's now.
    
    "I feel guilty beyond words about these things -- for example, when
    we're backstage and the light go out and the roar of the crowd begins,
    it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddie Mercury, who
    seemed to love and relish the love and adoration of the crowd."
    
    Well, Kurt, so fuckng what -- then don't be a rock star you asshole.
    
    "Which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact that I can't
    fool you, any one of you, it simply isn't fair to you or to me.
    The worst crime I could think of would be to pull people off by faking
    it, pretending as if I'm having 100% fun"
    
    Well Kurt the worst crime I can think of is for you to just continue
    being a rock starwhen you fucking hate it, just fucking stop.
    
    "Sometimes I feel as I should have a punch-in time-clock before I walk
    out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it,
    and I do, god believe me I do, but it's not enough. I appreciate the
    fact that I and we have effected and entertained a lot of people. I
    must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they
    are alone. Im too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to
    regain the enthusiasm I once had as a child. On our last 3 tours I've
    had a much better appreciation of all the people I know personally, and
    as fans of our music, but I still can't get out the frustration to
    gather the empathy I have far everybody. Ther's good in all of us and I
    simply love people too much.
    
    So why didn't you just fucking stay?
    
    "So much that it makes me feel just too fucking sad. Sad little
    sensative unappreciative Pieces --" Jesus man oh shut up.. bastard Why
    didn't you just enjoy it? I don't know. Then he goes on to say personal
    things to me that are none of your damn business; personal things to
    Frances that are none of your damn business.
    
    "I had a good marriage, and for that I'm grateful. But since the age of
    seven, I've become hateful toward all humans in general only because it
    seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy."
    
    Empathy?
    
    "Only because I love and feel for people too much I guess.
    Thank you all from the pit of my burning nauseous stomach for your
    letters and concern during the last years. I'm pretty much of an
    erratic moody person and I don't have the passion anymore. Peace, Love,
    Empathy, Kurt Cobain."
    
    And there's some more personal things that is none of your fucking
    bussiness. And I just remember: this is all bullshit...
    And I'm laying in out bed, and I'm really sorry. And I feel the same
    way as you do. I'm really sorry you guys. I don't know what I could
    have done. I wish I'd been there. I wish I hadn't listened to other
    people, but I did.
    
    Every night I've been sleeping with his mother, and I wake up in the
    mmorning and think it's him because his body's sort of the same.
    
    I have to go now.
    
    -- Courtney Love
    

    Pretty sad, also seems to be very confused.  First he says he loves
    people, then he hates them.

    I can't believe what all you people are saying here.
    Are there no Nirvana-fans here?
    Off course, I too think it's not good to leave your wife and child
    alone this way, but you gotta think off Cobain himself too.
    Don't you think he thought about that before he shot himself?
    Off course he did, it was his own family, remember?
    He must have felt pretty bad, and have had too much pain to live on,
    even having considered what he'd do to his wife and child.
    
    And furthermore, I loved the music, and I'm sad that there won't
    (probably, unless they have some unpublished material) be another
    Nirvana album with Curt singing on it.
    
    Marcel.

    my Sid and Nancy theory,
    
    well Kurt is a punk rock fan and the pinnacle person in that genre was
    Sid Vicious,he died in a less than glamorous manner as did Kurt,both
    Sid and Kurt had female companions that look *very* similar to each
    other and all four of the above people screwed around with drugs.To
    complete this theory,Courtney will have to die horribly and if she did,
    she'd be as stupid as the rest.
      FWIW....Kurt could never be like Sid.Kurt could play an instrument.
    
    I was disucssing this theory with my friend and he said he had created
    a Haiku(sp) in memeory of Kurt that went something like....
    
    
    Kurt,Kurt mortally hurt
    what does this mean
    to Francis Bean?
    
    by Finlay R.McNicol   8)

    Sorry to have to correct you, but being a B&B-fan, I thought I should
    do so.
    
    A haiku consists of 5 syllables, 7 syllables and 5 syllables.
    
    Like in:
    
    It was cool huh huh,
    When we killed that frog huh huh
    It won't croak again.
    
    Or, free to the last one, after my Data Communication test I had
    wednesday:
    
    It was cool huh huh,
    When I flunked that test huh huh,
    I'll do it again.
    
    I'm not sure if that last line is about making the test or flunking it.
    :)
    
    Marcel.

    well I like I said,it was a friend of mine that made it up not me.I
    liked what he did ad thought it quite poignant(sp)
    
    ian

    
    
      I had never really liked Nirvana. My girlfriend likes them (or whats
    left of them) so I ended up listening to them, I think they were a 
    good band. I liked Bleach the best.
      As for Cobain, I am getting really tired of all this stuff I keep
    hearing about how he was in so much pain and it was not his fault and
    how this is not just another case of a rock star getting in too deep.  
      People are acting like he was some sort of god. I think he was just
    another screwed up individual who couldn't handle life in the fast lane
    so he took the easy way out. He was just too weak to cope, which is why
    I think he went back to the drugs. I agree it is sad that he felt bad
    enough to kill himself, but things like this happen every day. Just
    because he was some sort of "generation X" leader or whatever, his life
    was (is) worth no more than anyone else's. 
    
                                                *B* 
              

I guess I kind of agree with the last.  On the good side, I think the edge Kurt
gave them in lyrics and attitude made them the success they were.  On the bad
side I'd say that the lyrics were hardly made up and it sounds like he meant
just about everything he wrote.

Tim

    >    Sorry to have to correct you, but being a B&B-fan, I thought I should
    
    Is that Beatniks & Bongos?

    I agree with Mr. Robinson's neighborhood, he was messed up.  If he
    truly cared about his family, he'd still be among the living.  The sad
    fact is that he got out of drug rehab only 2 days before shooting
    himself - screwed up!

    Well, FWIW, I liked Nirvana's music.  I don't see any way that they
    could continue, since Kurt wrote all the music (except for one song
    on the last album) and had the recognizable voice (like it or not). 
    Nothing Chris played as far as bass lines was very memorable to me, and
    the drumming, while energetic, also didn't seem to be anything special. 
    They're all done.
    
    As far as Kurt, when you're in that situation, it's much easier to
    believe that your family will actually be better off without you.  I'm
    also tired of hearing people slammin on him for what he did.  Hey, it
    wasn't the choice I'd make, but unless you guys knew him personally or
    walked a mile in his shoes, you have no right to judge.  Hey, maybe he
    did something you didn't like, well..so what?  People do things I don't
    like every day, but I'm not constantly crabbin about it.  Some of you
    keep harping on Kurt for being so selfish, well I consider it pretty
    selfish for you to be angry at him for depriving you of his future
    music, or seeing him in concert or something.  If you didn't like the
    music, what do you care whether he offed himself or not?
    
    Greg

>    Off course, I too think it's not good to leave your wife and child
>    alone this way, but you gotta think off Cobain himself too.
>    Don't you think he thought about that before he shot himself?
>    Off course he did, it was his own family, remember?
    
    Well, not to detract from the tragedy of his death, I happen to think
    that his actions demonstrate that he did NOT think of his family.
    
    If he cared more for his family then himself, I'd have to think he
    wouldn't have shot himself.   That seems like a reasonable conclusion
    to me.
    
    However, it's never as simple as just that.  People with problems often
    don't think of other people first.  THat's often WHY it's classified as
    a "problem".
    
    	db

    i'll tell you what i'm sick of....i'm sick of people saying that 
    'we didn't understand him' etc...so we have 'no right to talk about
    what he did'...as observers we have the right to our opinions...
    this is a guy who was doing at least when he started out, exactly what
    he wanted to be doing..playing music....somewhere during the course of
    his career he lost the sincerity to go on with the music....it just
    wasn't fun anymore......so he said.....well..so what??....alot of us
    can't dredge up the sincerity every day to go to our jobs..but we dot
    it...or we get out of that job and find something that we can be 
    passionate about.....what precludes this guy from finding away to do
    that..that which all of us at onee time or another manages to do....
    ...kurt had money and support....both things make finding help alot 
    easier than if he hadd no familial support and no money.....i feel
    sorry that he was such a weak person that he couldnt' find a way to
    make things better for himself and  in the end took his only life
    as a last resort..i feel sorry for his family that has to go on with
    the pain of all this in their hearts......you knwo the only people who
    don't have problems are dead people.....this has nothign to do with his
    fame or his music....he was just a weak little man who couldn't pull
    his shite together....but let's not fall all over ourselves feeling
    sorry for him..he had more resources at his fingertips to help him than
    many of us ............................./k

    re: .-1
    
    Don't get me wrong, I don't feel sorry for him.  He offed himself, so
    what?  Why do people get so upset about that?  I'm just tired of people
    hearing people say what a slime he was or how selfish he was or
    whatever, when they have no way of knowing that.  Maybe he was, maybe
    he wasn't.  I don't know...most people saying that stuff don't know
    either.  Doesn't make much difference now, does it?
    
    Frankly, perhaps I'm strange for having this opinion, 'cause honestly,
    I felt nothing when I heard he was dead.  My reaction was "Oh, ok". 
    Like nobody could have seen *that* one coming...  I don't feel
    especially sorry for him, I just don't like to hear conjecture about
    it.
    
    Greg

    I'm not even a Nirvana fan, but suicide is traditionally labeled the
    selfish crime.  He even mentioned something about narcissism in his
    last note.  He did nothing to dispel that label.

	RE - /k

		Bravo, best laymans terms I've heard yet.  Life is a bitch,
	for everyone, EVERYONE.

	/Cap'n can't quit

    re:-1/..thanks, i think...;')....i really dont' mean to sound cold
    about his death or anyone elses for that matter....but the fact is, that 
    except for the couple of seconds of guts it took to pull the trigger.....
    it takes more guts to deal with life and all its inherent problems than 
    it does to 'end it all'...../k

    I almost agree completely with Greg.
    Except for 1 thing: I DID feel something when I heard he was dead.
    But then again, that might have had another reason, which I will not
    bore you people with.
    
    The only thing that STILL surprises me, and kind of ticks me off, is
    that all those people who are NOT Nirvana-fans keep writing replies
    here. WHY?? You didn't care for the band or the guy anyway, so why
    reply? If fans will reply, either if it's negative, or 'positive' (if
    that is possible) it's okay, but it makes no sense to me why all these
    'outsiders' even bother to reply. Just to spill their guts? Or however
    you say that. Nothing personal, by the way, just wondering.
    
    Marcel.

    
    
      Unfortunately for me, I became a Nirvana fan a little too late. I
    think it is a terrible tragedy that Cobain is dead. I also agree with
    Greg. After his first attempt at suicide, and the fact that most of
    their music was on the depressing side. It did not surprise me when he
    succeeded at killing himself.
    
    
                                                *B*

    
    
      Oh yeah,
    
    What is the difference between Motley Crue and Nirvana??
    
      Motley Crue fired their singer.
    
      
    
    
      Nirvana's singer fired himself.
    
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*
    
    Oh booo to yourself.

    
  >  The only thing that STILL surprises me, and kind of ticks me off, is
  >  that all those people who are NOT Nirvana-fans keep writing replies
  >  here. WHY?? You didn't care for the band or the guy anyway, so why
  
	Who might these people be?  I didn't know you could spot them
	so easily...

	/Cap'n Quad

    (UPI) - The first annual Kurt Cobain Target Shoot will be held in
    Seattle, Washington next month to honor that late singer.  Awards will
    be given in the 2, 4, or 6 inch distance competitions for both modified
    and open-choke weapons.
    
    Walls will be provided for backups free of charge, but the estates of
    the participants will be responsible for repainting.  Citizens for
    Natural Selection, sponsors for the event, are extremely hopeful for an
    all-star celebrity turn-out.  "We're getting a positive responsive from
    several fronts, including Guns and Roses lead singer Axel Rose.  Our
    organization is VERY excited about having him as a participant".

    
    
    		ha... ha...
    

I heard 14,000,000 people were signed up...

    what has 6 arms, 6 legs, and 2 heads?
    
    Nirvana

    
    	Someone in the local rag is trying to sell tickets for a concert
    that didn't take place,obviously,as "memorabilia" tickets - 
    	
    					Anything for money.

    
    	Ayr,Scotland - for offers!

    
    No I don't have any - and the rag is gone.

    re: .254
    
    (suicide is a selfish thing...)
    
    Is asking something to stay alive to make the rest of ones
    acquaintences "comfortable" and guilt-free, any less selfish?
    
    /john

    "A permanent solution to a temporary problem."
    
    - Bill Ward
    

    
    I think it is a real waste of talent. He had such
    a wicked voice. So distinguished... I was looking
    forward to some great releases from Nirvana. 
    
    Now what...?
    
    					GMAN
    

    
    	Now what?
    
    	At the very least the band needs another vocalist.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    what has 4 legs and works at mcdonalds?
    
    
    
    the surviving members of nirvana.
    

>>  	At the very least the band needs another vocalist.

Why not just let them RIP? Would you have tried to find a replacement
for someone like Jimi H? The Joe Blow Experience feat Noel Reding and
Mitch Mitchell?? Nirvana was Curt, Curt was Nirvana. 

/tOM  

    
    	We didn't need a replacement for Jimi ... 7 years later we got
    	The Eddie Van Halen Experience.
    
    	Twice the showman and twice the talent to boot.
    
    
    							GTI
    

   > 	We didn't need a replacement for Jimi ... 7 years later we got
   > 	The Eddie Van Halen Experience.
   > 
   > 	Twice the showman and twice the talent to boot.
    
    AaAAAAA Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    OHHHH Ho HO Ho HO HO !!!!
    
    Say you were kidding shawn!
    
    

    Its ALIVE!

    I don't know if anyone has posted this in here, but last I heard 
    David Groel (drummer) is playing for Tom Petty...

    I agree with Shawn.  Eddie > Jimi

JH and EvH are the two most influential players in Rock Guitar History.
I would not put one before the other. And when talkin' showmanship, JH
was pretty good. Lets not forget that he learned from playing with the
best showman of them all, The Georgia Peach, The Quasar.., The King of 
Rock n Roll - Little Richard Penniman!!!

Lets face it , Eddie VH is just a pale dutch boy with fast fingers...

/tOM

     
    I agree, how can you compare JIMMY to eddie.
    JIMMY ruled then and still rules today when
    he is not even with the living.
    
    			GMAN
    

    
    	He always spoke very highly of you.
    
    
    							GTI
    

    
    ...as he should!

    
    	I think his exact words were ...
    
    
    	"Buck's not too much of a jerk, most of the time."
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    I have a really cool pic of Kurt wallpapered on my PC.
    
    If anyone's interested, I could copy or mail it to you. 
    
    I guarantee you've never seen this one before!

    Is he naked ? 8}

    
    
    	God I hope not.
    
    	Sorry but Kurt was NOT an attractive dude.......
    

    Naw, it's just his face.
    
    He's got this magical forlorn look that will melt your heart.

    JJ, if you saw this, you'd think differently.  I PROMISE.

    
    NO offense, but who wants to look at someone who is dead...and made
    himself that way!
    
    /jen

    Perhaps I should have said "if you are/were a Nirvana fan".
    
    Just because he's dead, does his music go away?  
    
    Does his memory go away?

    
    'Pril...it isn't that it downgrades his music.  I just wouldn't want
    the reminder that he chose to give up and deny his family, friends, and
    the world of what gifts he had.
    
    /jen (who has lost two friends to suicide...)
    

For a second there I thought pril was talking about the autopsy photo of Kurt.
I've seen it on the net.

That would be rather intense wallpaper...

Tim

    Jen, there is much pain involved in it, I know.  But you probably would
    look at pix of your friends if you had the chance, maybe just one last
    time wouldn't you...?  As something to remember them by?  I can see
    your point though.  
    
    I still have all these unresolved feelings when I look at his picture.  
    Like, love and devotion mixed with hatred and denial.  I used to be a
    huge Nirvana fan and when I found out he offed himself I must have
    cried for days.  I haven't given it much thought since...I've been kind
    of indifferent and tried to avoid it.  When I saw this picture it all 
    came rushing back.    
    
    He's got the most beautiful blonde hair and a really intense look on
    his face.  It's definitely worth seeing "if you are/were a ever huge 
    Nirvana fan".
            
    'pril

    
    I saw the autopsy photo of Kurt...it was intense!
    
    						ian

It is pretty hard to tell what/who etc...  Gross is the word.

Tim

    true...there was no face and hard to say who it was!
    
    
    
    						ian

    Piercing blue eyes

    
    
    no eyes at all...or nose,eyes,teeth or anything!
    
    
    							ian

    That's real funny.
    
    And appropriate too, I might add.

    KURT COBAIN'S HEAD WAS NOT "BLOWN OFF!!" 
    
        The visual images created and promoted by Courtney Love and others
    are actually much worse than
    the true images left in the wake of Kurt's death.
        Contrary to popular belief, the shotgun blast resulted in VERY
    LITTLE VISIBLE DAMAGE!
    
        This was an intra-oral discharge. The shotgun barrel was placed in
    the mouth against the hard pallet.
    The pellets from the shotgun blast remained inside the head. This was a
    "penetrating" shot that DID NOT
    EXIT.
        As a result, there was no blood or tissue "splatter" typical in
    most shotgun blasts to the head. There
    was a pool of blood on the floor from seepage, and damage inside the
    mouth could be observed, thus the
    police report indicates, "obvious trauma to his head."
        But, unlike the fake photos being passed around, and the grossly
    exaggerated visual images
    deliberately planted in the minds of Kurt's fans, THERE WAS NO GAPING
    EXIT WOUND.
        Although drawn and slightly distorted due to the beginning effects
    of decomposition, KURT'S
    FACIAL FEATURES WERE ALL LEFT INTACT AND RECOGNIZABLE. He was
    fingerprinted for
    identification as a matter ofprocedure...not necessity, as falsely
    reported in the press.
    

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the picture I saw was a hoax.

    if the body was wearing a blue plaid shirt,then that was the one  I
    saw too.
    
    
    						Ian

    Luckily for my psyche, I never saw it.

It was gross - trust me...  bleah!

    
    In my opinion, anyone that kills himself/herself should not be
    mourned. The families should be, not the 'victim'.
    It's down right chicken to end your life for ANY reason. 
    
    I too have lost two friends from suicide (one was a very close friend)
    and I hate the bastard for doing so. I have absolutely no sympathy for
    any knob that 'can't take it' and ends it all.
    
    Thanks for letting me vent.
    
    Dave 

    Too bad the whole grunge/plaid wearin/I'm depressed/self pity/
    I'm a retard/I don't shower/blah blah blah didn't die after Kurt did.
    
    Shane, who doesn't like Courtney and her hole (band) either 

Dave Grohl's band is kind of cool.  Very ungrungelike too.  They have a song
that I'd swear was done by the Hollies (of 60's fame)

Tim

>>Too bad the whole grunge/plaid wearin/I'm depressed/self pity/
>>I'm a retard/I don't shower/blah blah blah didn't die after Kurt did.
    
	It wasn't born with him either, look at Michael Stipe...

	/Cap'n Quad

    HE'S a topic all on his own......
    
    Paully
    

Who's Tommy Morrison?

    
    	He's a fighter.
    
    	Well, he was a fighter until the other day.
    

    
    RE: Who's Tommy Morrison?
    
    The heavyweight boxer that just tested positive in a mandatory AIDS
    test required before a fight.
    
    /j

    Re: .314
    
    I wouldn't imply Michael Stipe and Tommy Morrison are in the same 
    boat.  Well, they are, in a sense, but Stipe is far further into
    his illness, whereas Morrison just tested poz for HIV -- BIG
    difference.

I think Michael Stipe looks like an Aids poster child, yet other than in here,
(HM) I've heard nothing about this.  I realize he tries to protect his personal
life

    
      At least he didn't die like ELVIS, on the royal thrown writing
    his songs, or like garcia piggin' out on extra large
    sausage/mushroom/cheese/pepperoni Pizza's...
    
    /Sax_part_time_Pizza_boy
    

    Where did they throw him?

    
    	Into the moat.
    
    	He made a very big splash.
    

    
    
    Tommy Morrison also co-stared in the last Rocky movie..