Conference napalm::heavy_metal

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Note 53.51                Is Heavy_Metal gospel good?                   51 of 51
NINJA::COOPER "Bag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!"                  7 lines  28-JUN-1988 14:33
                -< Oh My Gawd, Look What the Cat Dragged In ! >-
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    I saw Poison live with Ratt, and wasn't impressed
    at all.  I do like the song "Look What the Cat Dragged In" though...
    It's a blast to play and sing (The chorus especially!)
    
    jc

    
    I like Poison a lot. They're kind of a neat band. I mean, not great
    musicians, but the band puts across a very likable sound and image.
    Its non threatening, yet readily available to a wide audience (i
    mean, I can see fans of Kiss, DLR, Ratt, Motley Crue and GnRs liking
    this band because I see similarities to all of the above in them).
    The first lp had a good selection of radio-orientated hits, the
    second, while I haven't heard too much of it, seems to be rocketing
    up the charts.
    
    i can also see how a lot of people may not like them.
    
    whatever,
    Buck

    
    	Well, I'm an owner of the second album, and after the first
    listen, Bill Upham thought it should be called "Bend Over and Say
    Aaah." It was kind of tame. But now I like it quite a bit. It
    certainly doesn't get priority over my Metallica tapes, but it's
    like the hardest thing my girlfriend will put up with. Oh geeziz,
    I can't believe I just said that. 
    
    	So, they get a semi-thumbs up from me. I agree with Buck. They're
    "neat", and not very threatening, and as Dall says, since they've
    become popular, they've also become scapegoats for people that dislike
    makeup, and glam bands. 
    
    /mOtOrbreath ...talk dirty to me

    
    
    I like Poision.  They my wear tons of makeup but I don't give a
    toss.  I buy *records* not album covers.
    
    re-1
      
    >  but it's like the hardest thing my girlfriend will put up with. 
    
    yeah ?? shesh, you've got problems pal.
    
    -Tony

    
    Didn't take you too long Tony. Not bad. 
    
    I meant the hardest MUSIC she won't complain about in my car's deck!
    
    Wise ass.   ;^)
    
    /Motorbreath

    	I gotta admit, I bought the first album on sale and didn't expect
    a whole lot.  I don't care too much for the stuff that hits the
    radio but the title cut is a killer.  It kinda has the sleeeeeze
    if you will like Crue's first album.  The rest of the album, to
    me, was a bit lame, but that one song was worth it.  
    	I too see them as a non-threatening band.  George Lynch doesn't
    have to worry about C.C. stealing his chops.  Rikki Rocket, will
    you please SIT DOWN !!  The singer is a cross between DLR and Vince
    Neil, very marketable, and it's working.  The cover of that album
    did look kinda "sweet" didn't it ??
    
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    
    Re .2
    >but the band puts across a very likable sound and image.
    
    Are you serious?  If you think that these guys, and I use that term
    loosely, put out a likable image, then you've been hanging out on
    the wrong side of town.  The only people I can see this image appealing
    to are girls who wish they could look like that, and guys who don't
    really know what they like.
    
    As far as their music is concerned,  it's just more boring, radio
    crap that tons of other bands put out.  It ain't all that bad, but
    it ain't that good either, and all it does is crowd the air waves
    and prevent better stuff from getting played.  These kinds of bands
    would be nowhere without eMpTyV.  
    
    One other thing.  Poison...a metal band?        Don't be ridiculous.
    
    Sean                                                
    

    
    Well Sean, I mean, most of the rockers I know are SO image conscious
    it isn't funny!!!  I mean, they actually have conversations about
    what kind of conditioner they use in their hair so it doesn't frizz
    (oh, in case you were wondering, this is guys I'm talking about!).
    And most, if not all of them are of the `posuer' nature if you wanna
    refer to it as that. Why? I donno. I know its popular, and it SELLS,
    and record companies want it (yeah, they really do, I know for a
    fact), so why not I guess?
    
    I mean, An image like crue's latest (guys in leather on harleys)
    or like the new kiss (stripped down in basic black) is very hard
    to sell. I mean, I'd say it was probably an impossible image to
    sell if you were a band just starting out. Someone like Kiss can
    get away with it, they already have their audience. How did they
    get their audience??? Makeup and costumes and lotza hype!

    
    
    I am a Poison fan!  I think their music is real cool and I like
    it alot.  Granted, it's not anything HEAVY like Def or Stryper or
    any other band that is considered HEAVY METAL but the music is
    good.
    
    As far as their make-up - I know they take a lot of grief from my
    brother and my mother because it makes them look like girls (my
    brother says they are fags) but I don't listen to them.  I figure
    if they can make you feel good and feel like dancing to the musc
    who cares what they look like?  Besides, it's just their publicity
    gig.  I mean if Kiss can stop with the makeup after making it big
    who's to say that Poison won't somewhere down the road?
    
    
    Tracy
    
    

    Against my better judgement, I find myself liking some of their
    stuff. It is pretty catchy. I truly think that this band is the
    Sweet of the '80s!
    
    cat
    who_sometimes_liked_Rick_Springfield_also_and_who_is_not_
    embarrassed_to_admit_it

    I imagine you've already read my Poison appraisal in the 'Stryper'
    note.  But, since this is the 'RIGHT' place, I'll put some of it
    here too.
    
    I like some of their songs.  I don't care for the makeup, but they
    seem to be backing off that lately.  I saw them recently and they
    didn't have any noticable makeup onstage, and wore pretty basic
    stage clothes.  The bass player was the only one with spandex. 
    
    I think the singer has a good R&R voice and give him thumbs up for
    the strutty, arrogant attitude.  That's what the band is all about
    and that's ok.  They seem like their having a good time when they
    play (both on record and live) and I really like that a lot.  Seems
    like so many bands take themselves (and everyone else) tooooooo
    seriously.  I like it when a band can have a good time and convay
    that to the audience.  That was one of the big things I like/liked
    about Van Halen.
    
    I personally think that CC Deville is overrated (if anyone really rated
    him) or over hyped as a guitar player.  He seems to play what he plays
    reasonably well, and probably not too much else.  His solo Randy Rhodes
    rip-off crappola when I saw them really pissed me off though.  Just
    about any guitar player could play what he played (maybe even me).  I
    found it embarrasing and uncalled for.  He could have played any crummy
    riff without ripping off someone that was really GREAT!
    
    'nuff complaining.
    
    Just my opinion,
    gh 
      

    
    
    I like poison but what I want to know is whats the difference
   they write catchy songs it's upbeat makes you hop around the room
   so they wear makeup so does Malmsteen just different shades one 
   A little heavier than the other,and they are commercial like 
   Jovi,Whitesnake,Stryper and the rest but these people are the 
   ones who are getting Metal noticed.They are in some way responsible
   for getting us a Hard Rock/Heavy Metal award at the (not sure)grammys?
   
    
    					M
    					 B
      
    

    
    
    	re: 12. Butkus.....  Touche!  
    	
    	Poison may not be "heavy" metal, but they are R&R enough for
    	me to consider them "unpop"
    
    	re: .7
    
    	Well, I must say that you are entitled to your opinion, but
    	in some cases like (ATEAM::BUTKUS) says, Poison is what's
    	getting the chart toppers and they're making HM and hard 
    	rock more noticeable.
    
    	My friend's sister claims to know the band personally and 
    	says they're the sweetest bunch of guys.  Whether they
    	decide to wear makeup makes no difference to me.  It's what's
    	on the inside.
    
    	I don't know very much about guitars and riffs, etc.  So
    	maybe CC DID rip off Randy Rhodes; but *I* couldn't tell.	
    	He's a performer trying to make his audience enthused.
    	He achieved this whether or not he ripped off Randy Rhodes.
    	The younger generation now probably has a VAGUE idea who
    	Randy Rhodes is!!
    
    	Frankly, I don't understand how Stryper can be called HM,
    	but then again, there are others who don't know how 
    	Poison can be called HM either.
    
    	To each his own, I guess.  I personally find the band 
    	enjoyable.
    
    	The cover of their first album, upon first glance, did
    	give the impression of real women, but if you look at the
    	second album cover, they are staying away from the makeup
    	and girlish hype.
    
    	Hey.  all the power to 'em...
    
    /kimster
    
    	

    RE .13  ...on CCs rip-off licks
               
    I was just saying that, as a guitar player, I don't appreciate what
    CC played at that one show.  I have nothing against him personally
    or the licks he uses in their own songs.  He definately plays to
    incite the (non-musician) audience.  I can accept that.  But he coulda
    easily done that without stealing someone elses stuff (especially
    4 #$%%^$^ times...).  He seems like he has a good time on stage
    and conveys that to the audience and I like that.
      
    I would much rather hear a crappy sounding, but original, solo then
    an expertly executed rip-off!  I know from the discussions, both
    here and in MUSIC, on Kingdom Come and Led Zeppelin that I'm not
    alone in this opinion.
                                                   
    gh
      

    
    Well, for one thing, I don't agree with the idea that bands like
    Poison and Bon Jovi are getting HM the recognition that it deserves,
    because they are not.  The only kind of band that's gonna win one
    of those bogus grammys is the commericial, radio-oriented pseudo
    metal who sell lots of records, but who couldn't even come close
    to matching the talent found in bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest,
    Metallica, etc.  I know this argument has been beaten to death,
    but just once I'd like to see a band win an award for good quality
    musicianship, and not for good marketing. Hell, why don't they just
    give the awards to the promoters and the PR people, because they're
    the ones who sell a lot of the records.
    
    As far as the comparisons between Poison and Kiss, I don't think
    there is any comparison.  Kiss didn't wear makeup, they wore costumes
    that fit in with the Heavy Metal image.  To me, trying to make yourself
    look as much like a female as possible doesn't.  I don't mean to
    offend anyone's personal taste, because as all HM fans know, everyone
    has their own ideas of what is good and bad.  In my opinion though,
    bands like Poison represent everything bad about music in the 80's.
    The music comes secondary to business.  The only thing is, not all
    successful bands have had to follow that route.  It's just the ones
    who want that ultra-quick trip to the top of the charts.
    
    Well, sorry for rambling on, and no offense to any of you Poison
    fans out there.
    
    Sean 

    re: .15
    
    You may sy that Bon Jovi, et al do not have as much 'talent' as
    Iron Maiden and Metallica, etc., but it depends on how you look
    at it. I think the ability to write decent, hit, pop songs is an
    incredible talent. You don't have to admire it, but you can't deny
    that it's not an easy thing to do. So don't say that those bands
    aren't talented, it's just that they have a different talent!
    
    cat

    re:.17
    
    I agree.  It's like comparing apples and oranges.  Poison has their
    slot to fill.  They're a good time party band, kind of a polished
    sleeeaze band IMO.  I have noticed that they backed off the make-up
    a bit.  It's almost like they wanted to "scare" everyone and once
    they had their attention, went back to making music.  I still wish
    Rikki Rocket would sit down ..............
    
    					Mr Scary II

    
    I think the comparison with Poison & Kiss is not in the blush but
    in the chords!  Poisons material is very similar to what Kiss was
    writing musically back in the Hotter Than Hell/Dressed to Kill
    days.  You can hear it!  Kiss was definitely a major influence on
    poison.
    
    Re: Iron Maiden and Poison. While I appreciate Iron Maiden for their
    progressive style of writing, I also appreciate Poison's knack for
    writing hit songs. In fact, I give Poison more credit for having
    a #2 album on Billboards charts with all those Debbie Gibson-liking
    whimps out there...The mere fact that metal is in the top 10 is
    a marvel.
    
    FYI, also in the top 10 are Guns N Roses, Def Leppard, Scorps &
    Van Halen. 

    
    
    	Everyone IS entitled to their opinion, so once more I'm going
    	to add mine.
    
    	I don't think it makes much difference WHO can play the songs
    	better, faster, etc. etc.
    
    	What matters (IMO) is that they can (re: cat) put the songs
    	together and play them.
    
    	I know for a fact that *I* couldn't get out there and beat
    	either Iron Maiden OR Poison...
    
    	IM has their fans as does Poison.  As far as PR and marketing
    	and that other junk, EVERY band has to have it somewhere down
    	the line or else they wouldn't be selling ANYTHING.
    
    	Poison's PR people are just a little more (I can't think of
    	the right word - aware maybe) of what the public wants.
    
    	And what the "public" wants is the glitzy, hyped up, made up,
    	bad-but-not-too-bad boy image.  Face it ... music is changing
    	every day and so is the audience.
    
    	IM, I'm sure, will never lose their fans.  And the same goes
    	for Poison.  Do you think your parents went through this
    	situation when rock'n'roll began???
    
    	
    
    	Sure they did!
    
    
    /kimster
    

    
    Kim, I agree with you a little bit, but...
    
    The fans of Iron Maiden are a lot more hardcore than the MAJORITY
    of the fans of Poison. IM fans are there, album after album,
    5 years from now, most likely, Poison won't even be around. 
    I'm sure that the majority of Poison fans are fans because they
    heard the song on the top 40 station, and bought the album, and
    liked it.... until something else cool comes around. Also, the 
    majority of Poison fans are probably 14, or so.
    
    This isn't meant as a slam on Poison, cuz I like 'em too. And I'm
    not one of those hardcore IM fans (not yet, that is).
    
    /Motorbreath
    

    
    
    	
    	After I put the reply in, I read it over and realized what I 
    	had said.  
    
    	You're right about the IM fans being around longer than 
    	Poison fans.  I guess the jist of what I was trying to say
    	is that the music industry is changing (and changing fast
    	I might add), so that whatever is popular at the time is going
    	to get played, and played, and played, and played (I know I'm
    	already sick of "Nothin' but a Good Time").
    
    	BUT!  Poison has their fans as does IM.  IM fans are 
    	a great deal older than Poison fans which makes them more
    	receptive to IM than the new stuff.
    
    	Does that make any sense??
    
    	/kimster
    

    
    
    	I think it is.  The first album seemed to be a trial
    	and error type deal.  They didn't have the oomph they
    	do on the second album.
    
    	There's more of a metal twinge on the second one, I
    	guess.  
    
    	/kim
    

    
    Eurpoe, really?
    
    
    Geesh, that's an impression I never would have got.
    
    Interesting, verrry interesting

    
    
    Aaarrrrgggggghhh!!!! I will definitely NOT buy the first album
    then!!!
    
    Joey Tempest   hahahaha!!!!
    
    Wow, I'm listening to Tesla "Comin atcha live" right now.. AWESOME!
    
    /Motorbreath...yeah, I know it's not related to the topic
    

    
    
    	Well, Europe was the closest group I could think of.
    	
    	You know how Europe has that "I'm trying to be a hard
    	rock album, but for some reason I just can't get it 
    	to sound that way" problem.
    
    	The first album is good, too, it's just that the second
    	one has a little more of the hard rock baseline to it.
    
    	/kim
    

    
    Re .23  You took the words right out of my mouth.  Well said.
    
    Someone said earlier that it was great to see heavy metal bands
    like Poison on the top of the charts, but I don't see the 
    siginificance there.  As far as I can see, Poison attracts a very
    similar audience to that of Debbie Gibson or Tiffany.  They attract
    mostly high school and junior high aged girls, who are more concerned
    about the performers hair and how he can shake his butt than they
    are about how good the music is.  You know, the type of kids that
    scream and hug each other when one of their songs comes on the radio
    for the fiftieth time that day.  There was a quote made by one of
    the females in this conference, I don't know who and it doesn't
    really matter,  that I read that pretty much summed up what I'm
    talking about.  That person basically said that they would die to
    see some band in concert because the lead singer is sexy, and that
    if the music was good, they'd even go see them again. Shouldn't
    that be the reason you go to a concert in the first place.
    Well I'm gonna try to find that exact quote, because I don't really
    think I did it justice.  And believe me, I'm not just trying to
    rag on girls, because I'm sure that there are plenty of guys who
    go see Lita Ford just to watch her on stage.  As far as I'm concerned,
    people like that wouldn't know Heavy Metal if it slammed them in
    the face. 
    
    Sean 
    

         
    RE:.30
         
    Can I ask you a question sean ?
         
    good, I was gonna anyay.
                   
>    As far as I'm concerned, people like that wouldn't know Heavy Metal 
>    if it slammed them inthe face. 
         
    Are you saying that the person who made that quote regarding a bands
    lead singer wouldn't know heavy metal if slammed them in the face ??
                                                                        
    -Tony
                                                                        

    
    
    	good point tony.  I was going to ask the same question.
    
    	I don't think it makes much of a difference whether a person
    	likes other types of music besides HM.  Hell, I like LOTS
    	of other music, including HM!!
    
    	And *I* didn't get HM slammed in my face....
    
    	You may not think Poison is not an HM group (and that's your
    	opinion, and you are entitled to it), but you've got to 
    	admit that although Poison (or any other group similar)
    	isn't as heavy as some of the other groups, they are the
    	ones who are making ("they" in general), the other groups
    	able to even MAKE it to the charts.
    
    	/tig
    

    Heavy Metal is an aquired taste.   You don't just jump into it.
    Poison may be the appetizer and Metallica the main course but you
    gotta start somewhere !  The top 40 folks may look at Poison as
    Heavy Metal, but think about it ... if you were on the top 40 hill
    and saw Poison on the next BIGGER hill, yeah they'd be Heavy Metal!
    Now, of course it would be hard to see either on of 'em because
    of the shadow cast by the REAL mountain, but I hope you see my point.
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    
    re. .33
    Okay, I agree that to people who are into top 40, Poison must seem
    like HM.  I just get a bit upset at the use of the term I guess.
    I really don't think that Poison is heavy metal, but then again,
    my definition of HM is probably different than that of others, so
    I stand corrected on that one.
    
    But as far as Poison making it possible for HM bands to make it
    to the charts, you've gotta be f**&in kinding!  First of all, most
    heavy metal bands never see the charts, and I'm talking about some
    very successful bands, like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, AC/DC etc.
    If that's your way of determining how good a band is, then I don't
    know why I'm even arguing.  Most good HM bands could care less about
    the frigin charts.  And don't even try to tell me that bands like
    Poison and Motley Crue are paving the way for bands like Metallica,
    Megadeth, Armored Saint, and Metal Church.  They're not even in
    the same league.
    
    One other comment. I agree that HM is an acquired taste. And I
    certainly don't confine myself to HM.  One of the best shows I've
    ever seen was Elton John, so I can appreciate good musicianship,
    no matter what it classification.  But I don't think that one gets
    "into" the heavier metal by listening to the light stuff first.
    Back in my early high school days, I listened to stuff like Aerosmith,
    Led Zep (still my fave), and the Who, so that's where I started.
    
    
    Sean
    
    

    
    One other clarification.  The comment I made about some people not
    knowing HM if it slammed them in the face.  What I meant to say
    was that people use the term HM to describe such a wide variety
    of bands too loosely.  I mean, just read the two words, HEAVY
    metal.  Poison is not that Heavy.  I wouldn't call them a pop
    band either.  They're a rock band.  I just think the term HM is
    used way too much,  by bands that don't even fit the bill.
    
    Sean
    

    Poison = Commercial Metal
    
    jc

    
       	HEY!  Chill out.  No need to get all worked up because you
    	have an opinion that is different than mine (or anyone
    	else's).
    
   	The way that *I* interpreted your reply (-2 or so) was that
    	you thought that people who like HM like ONLY HM and nothing
    	else.  I was merely trying to tell you that, indeed, that
    	is not the case.
    
    	It's been stated before (somewhere in here) that Poison 
	is not a HEAVY metal band, but they don't classify as 
    	a pop band either (which you've stated, also).  So no 
    	need to argue on that one.  It's already been said many
    	times.
    
    	Maybe the word HEAVY should be dropped, and just the 
    	word Metal should be used.  That would solve the "but
    	they're not HEAVY metal" problem, wouldn't it??
    
    	All I meant when I said that Poison is "paving the way"
    	for other Metal bands is that MAYBE now that there is 
    	a "metallish" band ON the charts, the other ones will 
    	begin to get the recognition they deserve and soon enough
   	HM'ers all over will be satisfied....
    
    	/tig
      

    
    Re: sean M
    
    I'm not trying to imply every band should be wimpy or write pop
    stuff, but...
    
    Regarding your comment "Most true metal bands could care less about
    the charts"
    
    Maybe the bands could care less, but don't you think for one second
    the management behind the band doesn't care. High cart ratings mean
    one thing (besides popularity)...$$$.
    
    Record co.'s sign an act to make them $$$, not out of the goodness
    of their hearts, or because they want to let everyone in the world
    hear Band X, I mean, lets be real about the logistics of the music
    Biz.
    
    I'm sure Malmsteen is gonna get a word or two from his record co
    when contract renewal time comes. With his poor album sales and
    less than zealous concert attendance, he might get dropped from
    his label!
    
    So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, in the end, chart status/record
    sales/popularity DOES matter...alot!

    
    Re. /tig
    
    I know what you're are saying about bands paving the way for HM
    and you are right in a way.  This whole thing about a Grammy award
    being added for HM is what gets me though.  Here they are adding
    a so-called Heavy Metal award, and you know as well as I that the
    only bands that will be nominated will be the Motley Crues, the
    Bon Jovis, the Poisons, etc.  Now don't get me wrong, I've seen
    the Crue and Bon Jovi live and thought they were great.  It just
    pisses me off that the really hard bands are completely overlooked.
    It was bands like Priest and Sabbath that created the HM genre,
    and they were and are Heavy Metal.  Someone commented earlier that
    Poison was the kind of music that made them want to get up and 
    dance.  That, to me mind you, is not the criterion for a good
    heavy metal band. Heavy metal to me is an intense, hard driving,
    heavy beat kind of music that's meant to listen to.  I can't
    even understand the people that go to see Megadeth, and thrash
    for the whole show.  They can do that at home with the records.
    I personally go to watch some hardcore, intense musicians.  So 
    you see, even though I've probably made myself out to be a total
    metalhead, I'm not.  I'm not into the image, I just love the music,
    and that goes for all types of music: blues, fusion, classical,
    r&r, etc.  That's why I get kinda p'd off when I see a band like
    Poison.  I just look at them and go "Why?".  Oh well, I promise
    not to go off the handle any more.
    
    Sean
    

    
    
    	re: -1 {sean}
    
    	No problem.  I can see your point, too, and I guess I'm
    	just having a hard time trying to get my point across.
    
    	I get tongue-tied sometimes and can't state my ideas,
    	points, etc. very clearly.
    
    	It's the people like Tipper Gore and her happy followers
    	that are going to be the ones who prevent the heavy
    	metal bands like Sabbath, Priest, Metal Church, etc. from
    	getting the awards.  
    
    	I can hear it now..."Are you kidding me??  Give that, that,
    	trash an AWARD??!!"  That'll be the day!!  
    
    
    	someday....someday....
    
    
    /tig
    

                
                Poision <> Metal
                
                Poison == Rock (and that's pushing it)
                

    
    re. /tig  Your point about Tipper Gore:  I'm with ya 100% on that
    one.  See, I knew we'd finally agree on something.  This is a pretty
    lousy medium to have a good argument on anyway, but I think we both
    got our point across. 
    
    Sean
    P.S. Everyone have a wild, safe weekend, full of good tunes. I know
    I will. 
      

   re: the last few...

   Would you really want Metallica to win a Grammy? 

   I mean, who cares about shows like that???

   cat

>   I can hear it now..."Are you kidding me??  Give that, that,
>   trash an AWARD??!!"  That'll be the day!!  
    ^^^^^
    
    Shouldn't that be tHrash? (Ar ar)
        
    gh

    re: .46
    
    Yeah I can hear the MC now:  "Metallica couldn't be here tonight
    to accept this award because they had a previous engagement.  They
    had to go to the laundromat ."
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    
    	re: .44 Rothberg
    
    	>>and that's pushing it.
    
    		I just went through all this with Sean, you should've
    		been here earlier when the discussion was much more
    		opinionated.  I'm not going to bother to go through
    		it again.  I'm too exhausted ...  (^;
    
    	re:  .47
    
    	>>don't you mean tHrash?
    
    	HA!  Good one.
    
    re:  .45(?) Sean
    
    		Whew....it's about time!  (^;
    
    
    
    
    
    
    	Have a good fourth of July everyone.  PLEASE be careful 
    	whatever you do.
    
    	/tig
    
    
    

    re: .46 (which you snuck in while I was writing .47)
    
    Yes, I would like to see Metallica win a Grammy.  Not necessarily
    now, though.  What I'm really getting at is that I'd like to see
    the Grammys (or any of those bloody award bunches) award performers
    for musical excellence rather than popularity or how much crap they
    can dish out.  BIG difference!
    
    gh

    
    
    I wouldn't want to see Metallica get a Grammy. It would be the death
    knell for the band.
    
    Record sales would plummet.
    A lot of metal heads would say they'd sold out.
    Who the hell wants to see their kind of music regarded as mainstream?
    What would we turn to for a fresh (motor)breath of frenzy music
    if these bands were "POP", and on the radio all the time?
    
    Look what happened to Stringbean when he was on the cover of TIME
    years ago? Unfortunately, he rode it out to make it big again.
    
    /Motorbreath

    Woah!  Hear what I said...I never meant that they should be accepted
    as mainstream, far from it!  I just meant that the awards should
    be altered to mean SOMETHING!  If this was the case, then they would
    award musical ability and creativity.  I think that Metallica could
    fit that kind of criteria.
    
    gh

    "POISON SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    
    	
    	Do you honestly think that by putting your exclamation
    	points at the end of your limited vocabulary is going
    	to stop this conversation??
    
    	Think again.  You've probably just started a whole new
    	aspect into this particular topic.
    
    	If you have an opinion, by all means, state it, but at
    	least give REASON, not simply state that a particular
    	band doesn't appeal to your musical taste!
    
    	/kim
    

    If you consider this band talented you deserve to listen to them
    from lack of musical knowledge.C.C. is the best guitar player  
    alive if you like roots and fifths.
                                       JAY

    
    
    
    	I have never claimed to be an expert on musical knowledge.
    	I don't need to have a band be "the best" at anything to 
    	enjoy songs they perform.  I also don't need someone telling
    	me to "SHUT UP" because THEY don't like them and *I* do.
    
    	I don't recall anyone saying that CC was the best guitar
    	player alive.  As a matter of fact (Please correct me if
    	I am wrong), it has been mentioned that people were UPSET
    	because he ripped off licks and such from Randy Rhoads.
    	I have no voice on who the best or worst is because I am
    	not an expert on the subject.
    
    	I just know that I enjoy some of their songs simply 	
    	due to the entertainment of music.  Isn't that what music
    	is??  Entertainment?
    
    
    	/kim
    
    	

    The conclusion I'm drawing from this note is this, some of ya like
    'em, and some of ya don't.  There are at least 58 reasons why (so
    far) and all of them stem from *personal tastes*.  Is this really
    worth fighting about ??  Hey Cookster !!  What do you think ??
    
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    
    	I wasn't trying to start a fight, all I was trying to say
    	was that if you're going to put such an "inspiring" thought,
    	be ready to back it up with legitimate reasons.
    
    	Uh-Oh!!  Jerry, you had better be careful, you're actually	
    	trying to STOP one of these gonowhere conversations.
    
    	/kim
    	(^;
    
    

    
    Re: .57 
    
    Hey Jay,
    
    WTF?  Hey, If *your* idea of a great band is basing it on musical
    `knowledge', then hey, have a good life, ya know??
    
    me, I realize there's far more to a band than what appears on vinal
    (Oh, and how do you know that CC really can't play...ever hear of
    a producer...yeah, they're the guys that usually tell you not to
    play anything to outrageous because it won't sell!).  there are
    a lot of professional guitar players I've met who have come across
    a total idiots on record, but are actually great players. There
    are people who sound great on tape, but actually stink. It goes
    both ways, but unless you hung out with CC recently and jammed with
    him, how do you know...
    
    I like Poison for what they're worth, which is mainstream power
    pop rock. 
    
    Besides, what the hell does Musical knowledge have to do with musical
    tastes?? If that's so, I'll say you're an idiot for not listening
    to the works of Mascagni.
    

    
    	 I'll sit on the fence by saying that Poison has not put
    	out anything I like yet... but I'll give them another 
    	chance.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(no opinions yet)

    re: .62
    
    Hope that wasn't directed at me!  I never said that CC was not a good
    player, just that he didn't show it at the concert when I saw him. 
    
    gh

    
    No, not mad.
    
    Yet, somehow I get the feeling these days that if a guitarists doesn't
    play sextuplets all the time, he's no good. I mean, sure CC has
    a rough sound, you can tell his technique is not as polished as,
    say MacAlpine, but often less is more (IMO).  I think with all these
    hot players, kids think if you play fast you get voted best new
    talent in all the guit mags and everyone thinks your god. If you
    play slow and bluesy, you've gotta be lousy.
    
    It just seemed like the reply a few back was saying CC and the band
    stunk because they were lousy musicians. Maybe they're not great
    technically, but there are different shades to being a 'musician',
    and technique is just one piece o the pie.
    
    My Op.
    Buck

    All right Im sorry if I offended anyone . But dont we all have a
    right to our own opinion???After all thats what this is all 
    about isnt it?
                     "SORRY"
                        JAY

        Jay ...
    
        Yes, we all DO have a right to our own opinion.  This in-
        cludes everyone else, as well as you.  So when you say,
        "Poison SUCKS!!" then everyone who likes Poison starts to
        voice their opinion ... which, as everyone knows, starts
        a war.
    
        I'll say it again (although wjb said it very well a couple
        replies ago) - 'sucks' and 'doesn't appeal to me' are two
        different statements ... you can't say a band 'sucks', be-
        cause people do like them - which voids your claim.  You
        can say, however, that 'they don't appeal to you' ... and
        give a reason or 2.  THEN your claim becomes valid.
    
                                                          Shawn GTI

     What the H*ll is this? I thought this was a note about Poison,
    not the fags in P-town!?!?! So, O.K....poison does look a little
    "Fresh"! But what is in question here. Music...or make-up?
    
     What about Alice Cooper, old KISS, and a few others which I can't
    think of off the top of my head. They played (and still play) some
    kick a*s rock. It's all a gimick to get attention, sell records
    and blow people's minds. 
    
     I saw poisons album cover before I heard the album, and it
    was hard to swallow after seeing these four "very attractive"
    men! But, once I listened to the album, I liked them. And
    if you really want to know the truth....I saw Poison with 
    David Lee Roth two weeks ago, and Poison rocked the house down!!! 
                                                      
     They definetly (SP?) stood their own ground. I have seen DLR
    twice, once with VH, and once on his own, and it was NOT one
    of his best shows. More sensationalism than good rock...the
    surf board, the boxing ring, the rope act....come on Davy play
    rock -n- roll. If I want to watch some one climbing ropes, I'll
    go to the f*cking circus! I loved him with VH, but his EGO just
    overwelms me.
    
      Poison HAS potential. I can't wait to hear their next album!
    
    Bob

    
    
    
    	re: .81
    
    	bob....i think we'll get along just fine.....
    	(^;
    
    
    	/kim
    

    I'm taking my son to see DLR and Poison tonight.  Coop's going too
    so I guess that makes 2 juveniles I'll be responsible for (not really,
    my son's mature for his age ....).  I'll let you folks know in the
    morning if Poison is rock 'n roll or rinkydink !!
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    A side note. 
    
    
    The interview's with poison in The Metal Years showed they are quite
    illiterate as real people.  C.C. esp made the bad look real stupid!

    
    
    
    	That's one thing I will give DLR credit for....his brain.
    	Rarely is it th at you find an entertainer who is also
    	smart!

    re: .85
    
    He may have a brain, it's just a pity it's linked to his mouth via
    his @#$.   
    
    
    			Mr Scary II

    
    
    	Ego has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to use 
    	your brain.
    
    	The man is very, very, smart.  Or at least from what I 
    	remember reading somewhere.
    
    	Just because his ego is larger than any other part of
    	his anatomy doesn't mean he isn't intelligent.
    
    	/tig
    

    RE: .87
    
    I guess you're right.  Yngwie is a smart man too, BUT, he to suffer's
    from ROTHhiemers disease.  DLR knows how to gain attention, I must
    admit.  I just like performers that showcase their musical talents
    without all the hype and fanfare, because that is what will be
    remembered later on down the road, not the flash.  And if it is
    remembered, it won't have the respect that goes along with ability.
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    OK - I saw Poison and David Lee Roth last night at the Greenville
    Memorial Auditorium, seats about 7K.  Here's what I thought about
    Poison:
    
    They opened up with "Look What The Cat Dragged In", really kicked.
    I was impressed actually, with the band, NOT C.C DeVille !  They
    played the folowing songs, but not necessarily in this order - 
    			I Won't Forget You
    			Fallen Angel
    			Nothin' But A Good Time
    			Talk Dirty To Me
    			Rock And Roll All Night (KISS)
    			** There's 2 more I can't think of **
    And C.C. did a "solo". <insert a look of boredom *here*>  It was
    mentioned earlier that he did a take off on a Randy Rhodes solo,
    and I believe Randy is doing double backflips in his grave.  C.C.
    had a few choice licks but every lick was followed by a lesson in
    G string harmonics and dives !  Rikki didn't stand up as much as
    I thought he would.  Brett knew every little line to say to get
    the Pamper wearers going crazy.  When he did the band introduction,
    he said the bass player was out there "moshing it up", and I was
    thinking, my God, it's everywhere !  Overall, they were pretty good
    as a band, a living testament to the fact that it takes everyone
    to make a BAND, not individuals.  None of these guys could hack
    it solo but as a band I'll give 'em a steady thumbs up.
    	
    As for David Lee Roth, well that's another note .............
    
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

         I'll agree that Poison did pretty good, and I think they would've
         done a lot better if they were head-lining.  I think that given
         the equipment they had...Thumbs up.
         
         I got more of a kick watching the southern folks tryin' to act
         metal...It's quite humorous.  Approx. 40 people went to the hospital
         with heat exhaustion, and broken bonz (it was a G/A show; won't
         they ever learn!).  The guy (and I use the term loosly) next to me
         will have one hell of a head ache, since after drinking a pint
         of 151 took a dive to the row of seats in front of us, and made
         a perfect face plant on the concrete.  After the EMT's showed up,
         he proceeded to take swings at them.  He probably had a fractured
         skull.  If not, his wife will kick his ass when he sobers up.
         
         All in all, it was a good show !
         
         jc

    After the concert in Ny they were at the Cat Club. I was there and
    met Rikki Rocket. He was reallly nice with no attitude whatsovere...
    that was nice to se.. he said they would be headlining in September.
    

    Poison said when they were here (Greenville, SC) that they would
    be back in the fall with Lita Ford.  That should be interesting..
    .... a crowd half full orf red-blooded American teenage males with
    hormones screaming through there veins at warp 7 to see Lita, followed
    by half of the crowd full of baby foxes waiting to get a crotch shot 
    of Brett.  Somebody's gonna get lucky after THAT show !!
    
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

		

	Well, I just picked up a copy of some metal magazine, and
	there's an interview with Poison.  I won't re-type the 
	whole thing, but here's a few (IMO) interesting bits and
	pieces for ya.  Some of these things I didn't even know...

	Reprinted without permission from "Metal
	Edge" Nov. 88...Article by Gerri Miller...

	Gerri: 	Congratulations, Bret.  Open Up and Sah Ahh is a 
	       	phenomenal success...

	Bret:  	It went platinum the second day it was out.  At 
		Musicland, which is one of the biggest chains in America,
		it debuted at #1, which is higher than Michael
		Jackson's or U2's albums....

	************

	Gerri:	The Open Up album cover wasn't such a big hit with 
		some stores, though - they wouldn't stock it unless
		it was changed, so the record company gave in.  How
		do you feel about that?

	Bret:	...We could keep it the same,, but a lot of people who 
		want to buy the record can't get it because the chains
		won't carry it.  It's the fans that lose.  It's
		censorship and it's ridiculous.

	************

	Gerri:  Unfortunately, the problems don't end there -- your
		former managers have filed a $45.5 million lawsuit
		against Poison accusing the band of some rather 
		ugly things.

	Bret:	Other bands used to slag Poison and now they're doing the 
		same thing, suing us because they say we have drug
		problems and drinking problems.  Let me put it th is way, 
		when we're done with this lawsuit Sanctuary is going
		to wish they never opened their f*&kin' mouths because
		when we tell the world what they really did to us, they're
		gonna owe us money.  They forged stuff,, they took
		money from capital that wasn't theirs to take and 
		commissioned it.  They f@#ked up,, period.

	************

	Gerri:	Is the vibe different from last year?
  
	Bret:	...I've been concentrating more on the show than on
		partying.  Last year I think I was trying to prove
		how fast I could do everything and how many times I
		could do it.  This year the show comes first...Last 
		year we had firecrackers up our A#s, lots of energy
		but no focus.  This year we have the same amount of 
		energy but more of a direction.

	***********

	Gerri:	What else has changed for Poison?

	Bret:	It's different this year.  Radio, TV, press --
		everyone is respecting Poison as a musical band 
		rather than some kind of flash in the pan pretty 
		boys that made it...Last year we tried to prove
		ourselves.  This year we still gotta prove ourselves
		but we're much more focused on what we want to 
		accomplish with the band.

	/tig!

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COBRA::VAVRUSKA                                       9 lines  27-SEP-1988 02:18
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    Did any of you catch the Poison/Lita Ford concert at great woods
    last Friday night??  Lita was pissa good.  Poison cranked it out.
    Is it me or is the girls who go to HM concerts getting younger??
    If I was just 6 years younger I would be in heaven....
    
    Later....
    
    Chris
    

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RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE "Big Brother's watching you"      14 lines  27-SEP-1988 02:42
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     re: -1  If your were 6 years younger you'd be in JAIL.  They sure
    didn't make like that when I was their age.  I saw Poison and DLR
    here in Greenville, SC and I thought the young girls were making
    some sort of mass fashion statement that night.  They all seemed
    to have nice rounded little butts .....
    
    ...... but then this one girl gave it away ......
    
    ...... I saw the top of her Pampers sticking out from underneath
    her spandex pants .... new and improved with resealable closures!
                    Oh to be a child again ... 
    
    
    			Mr Scary II

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COBRA::VAVRUSKA                                       7 lines  27-SEP-1988 03:39
                            -< Shake rattle & roll >-
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    RE:-1
    
    	Maybe they did make 'em like that when we were that age, but
    it sure didn't dress 'em like that.
    
    Chris
    

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SCOMAN::WHITMAN                                      14 lines  27-SEP-1988 07:15
                -< Old enough to ... the're old enough for me! >-
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    	Ya.. I know what you guys mean.. you'd get arrested for just
    lookin at half the girls at that show... you'd walk up to one and
    say 'Hi.. whats your name?... great concert eh?? wanna go for a
    walk?? by the way how old are you?? 13? oh... well I'll talk to
    ya later....'  
    
    	gotta watch out for those young ones with the jealous fathers!!
    
    
    
    
    						Jim-

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ASAHI::COOPER "WIMPS - Windows, Icons, Menus and Pull" 1 line  27-SEP-1988 07:40
                            -< No comment !    ;^) >-
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BTO::BAGDY_M "She moves thru my dreams like the wind"  1 line  27-SEP-1988 08:12
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    RE: .4  I'm glad I'm not alone ! ;^)

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56860::GALLANT "The Wild Heart"                       8 lines  27-SEP-1988 09:05
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    	Yo guys!  Why doesn't this get moved into the Poison
    	topic if that's what you want to discuss!!
    
    	Tig~~
    

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MARKER::BUCKLEY "Take me down to Paradise City"      14 lines  27-SEP-1988 09:19
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    I went.  i thought Brittny Fox was cool.  A fun show to watch...a
    little unseasoned, but they'll get better.  The lead guitarist wears
    a wig!!! ;^>  
    
    Both I and my date thought lita was a big YAWN ;^[]  I've seen Lita
    in the past, but her and her show hasn;'t gotten much better since
    then (MO).  She should just lety Steve Fister play all the leads,
    she pales in comparison.
    
    Poison was cool.  They have a very polished act.  CC was kinda lousy,
    but the band had a good show overall.  
    
    
 

    RE: .100
    
    Better Tig ??
    
    jc

    
    
    	Ahh...yes!  Much thanks!
    	
    
    	Tig~~
    

                
                
                But how'd Lita *look*!!!
                
                - Rob (who doesn't feel like looking for the Lita
                note - if there even is one!!)
                
                

    Heard this mornin' on WAAF that during a recent performance in
    New York Bret Micheals collapsed on stage four songs into their
    set. The next morning the headlines on the papers was a drug overdose
    but in reality he had a diabetic seizure and collapsed from lack
    of the drug insulin. I wish once in a while the press get there
    facts straight!!!!!!
    
    
    

    
    
    	Tell me about it!!  Every time something happens to
    	a rock star, it's drugs...i'll bet most people didn't
    	even know he was a diabetic..
    
    	Tig~~
    

    Tesla performed for 50 minutes ;^(
    
    They opened with Rock Me To The Top and finished with Modern Day
    Cowboy.  In between they played three tunes off their new album,
    and:
    
    EzCum EzGo
    2 Late 4 Love
    Little Suzie
    Gettin' Better
    
    I don't remember, but there was a couple of others in there...
    
    I don't care for Poison much, so I don't know their tunes but they
    played all the standards including their famed "Every Pose Has It's
    Porn", and Look What The Cat Dragged In, And of course Talk Dirty
    To Me...
    
    jc

    from when I saw Poison headlining, they played the following numbers:
    
    Talk Dirty to Me
    I won't forget you
    Cry Tough
    I Want Action
    Love on the rocks
    Nuthin but a good time
    Every rose...
    Fallen Angel
    Your moma don't dance...
    
    others I forget, plus drum/guitar solos and audience rap about pu$$y.

    re JC
    
    Tesla didn't play Cumin' atcha Live?!!!!
    
    THOSE LOSERS!!! THAT'S THEIR BEST SONG!!!
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    
    	A few nights ago, they did a "Make it or Break it" on
    	the Open House Party on KISS 108FM.  
    
    	The song they were using was Poison's latest
    	release off the "Open Up and Say...Ahhhh" album,
    	Your Mama Don't Dance.
    
    	One of the guys that called in said that he really
    	liked it because it had a good beat, even though
    	it sounded sort of 60'ish.  
    
    	I couldn't believe it!!  Didn't this guy KNOW that
    	this tune was a cover song to begin with??
    	I feel old age settling in!!  (^;
    
    	Tigga~~~
    
    
                              

    	Poison has done a good job musically and visually in the rendition
    	of "Your Mama Don't Dance".  But do they really collapse off-stage 
    	that often?  And if so, are they so proud of it that they feel the 
    	need to capture it on video after video?  I'm curious.
    
    	I didn't like Poison when they first came out, because I normally
    	am wary of bands who look better in make-up than I do.  Now that
    	I've listened to and watched them for a while I like their style.
    	I think there's something unique and quality about Poison.
    
    	Does anyone know how long they've been together?
    
    							Carla
    

    
    Re. Collapsing on stage
    
    Believe it or not my *mother* said the exact same thing.
    (She's gotten pretty hip, between my bro and I MTV is always
    on, so she knows all the bands and the songs by now)
    
    She was like "Didn't they show that guy falling down last time?
    What's his problem anyway?"
    
    I think we are getting a little overtheatrical here...
    
    Dilly

    
    RE: Bobby Dall falling down again....
    
    Well, in Every Rose he passes out from bad drugs or something....but in
    Your Moma, he doesn't look like he falls down moreso (if you look
    CLOSE..) he is pushed down by the two police officers at the bottom of
    the stairs and arrested.  Watch, they're ready to slap the cuffs on him! 

    
    
    	I remember hearing somewhere that Bobby Dall is also an 
    	anemic and gets tired REAL fast which could be one reason
    	why he is always falling down when he runs off stage.
    
    	When we saw Poison at the Centrum with Tesla a few weeks
    	back, I heard from a friend of mine that he (Bobby) was
    	passed out cold back stage and they couldn't wake him up.
    	Your Mama Don't Dance, and Bobby Don't Stand Up!!!
    
    	Tigg~~

    
        I bought the "Your Mama Don't Dance" cassingle and it has
        "Look What the Cat Dragged In" on it also.
    
        Even though I have their first album, I hadn't remembered
        how f***in' great this song was ... I've listened to it
        about 10 times since last night!!
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Yeah, that's an old 2EZ fave, ask BonPoseurCoopster about it, he's
    learned to tolerate that tune ..... agagagagaga !
    
    
    
    				Scary
          (who went to bed too late and woke up too soon ....)
          

    That sounds is a *BLAST* to play...
    
    Easy enough so you don't have to watch wot your doin' and can make
    some serious perversions...
    
    ;^)

    
    
    	Yeah! "Look what the cat dragged in!" will always be a "2EZ"
    	favorite, even though I might not like Poison too much and
    	you'll probably catch me missing a few licks on it, it's still
    	fun to play just to watch Bon Coop strut his stuff...agagagaga!
    
    
    	Hollywood....................Memories
    

	 I just saw the Poison vid "You're Mama Don't Dance"...

	 How come they can take a perfectly rad song and make such a
	 sh!tty video outta it?  I mean, it's no wonder Metal has such
	 a bad name...sheesh!!!!

	 kath

    I agree.....
    
    -vamp>

    Unfortunatly some sad souls equate Poison with metal.  That is where
    the real problem is.

>    Unfortunatly some sad souls equate Poison with metal.  That is where
>    the real problem is.


	 Your average stuffy adult does, and that ruins it for
	 everyone.  I mean, do we really need vids that glorify drugs
	 and alcohol and seeing people pass out everywhere and body
	 bags, and riots.  I mean, let's get real!!!

	 Your average adult is going to see this and think that is what
	 Rock/Metal is all about.  *I* certainly don't like the bad rep.


	 kath_gettin'_sick_of_MTV_already

    
        RE: Passing out
    
            I believe it was mentioned in this conference that who-
            ever it is that's shown passing out all the time has a
            medical condition that does this to him.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    
    
    
    The bass player?
    
    

    	Right.
    

	 NO!  I'm not talking about in the band!  Half the video
	 glorifies the crowd and how drunk/high they are!  It shows
	 people being carried out, people being beaten away from the
	 stage by police, etc, etc, etc.

	 Why must they glorify this sh!t?

	 kath

    What I can't figure out is why they would even do a cover of that
    perfectly awful song anyway!!!  I've always hated that song, and I hate
    this version equally. 
    
    Though I like some of their tunes, Poison's videos are generally poor,
    IMO.  Just the same goofy stage shots of the band in their best poses. 
    
    gh

    >>Though I like some of their tunes, Poison's videos are generally poor,
    >>IMO.  Just the same goofy stage shots of the band in their best poses. 
      
    	I caught one of their old videos a couple weeks ago on the 
    	HBBall.  It was "Cry Tough" from Look What the Cat Dragged In...
    	
    	If you could see how much they have changed since then, I hardly
    	think anyone could call them 100% "posers".  Not that they don't
    	fit into the "glam" genre, but they are FAR from the old makeup
    	and looking_like_a_woman phase....
	
    	I'm not picking out you, Greg.  It just struck me when you said
    	"In their best poses"
    
    	Tigga~~    
    

    The vid that gets to me is "Momma's Fallen Angel". I wince every
    time that dude gets a shot in the cubes. OOOOOoOOOOOOooo.
    
    
    jh

    re: Tig
    
    I've never seen that one.  For the most part, the popular videos
    are all similarly constructed (content) and, even though they are
    not particularly interesting after the first couple of viewings,
    suffer from severe over exposure.
    
    (the only interesting part is trying to count the number of guitars
    CC plays...)  8^)
    
    gh

    
    	There was an interview I read with Kirk Hammett once, where
    a Poison video was playing (they didn't name the band...they just
    said "a popular glam band"). Kirk looked at the TV and said "for
    a bunch of guys that can't play very well, they sure have a lot
    of guitars".
    
    	No comment...
    
    						Les
    

    
    	Well, seems C.C. Deville is sporting a moustache that
    	looks quite good on him.
    
    	There are some pictures of him in the latest issue of
    	Metal Edge.
    
    	Tigga~~~

    Yeah, should go well with that tam...
    
    Ar ar

    
    
    	I didn't know Bret Michaels was only 26!!!  And here I am
    	thinking he's a scum for robbing the cradle and dating
    	Susie Hatton (who'll  have a line of posters coming out
    	soon)
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    Poison begin work on a new album with producer Bruce fairbain in
    December.
    
    Flip

    
    
    	...Meanwhile, Bret Michaels is moonlighting as writer/
    	producer on his girlfriend Susie Hatton's debut LP.
    
    	(This should be a hoot)
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    
    	Well, according to the oh-so-high-and-mighty Rikki 
    	Rachtman (BLECCK), Poison is in the studio working on a 
    	new album and it should be out soon.
    
    	Tigga~~~
               

    -1
    
    Who cares?!?

    
    	RE: -1
    
    	Obviously not you, but much to your dismay there are people
    	who like the band and are interested to know when their next
    	album is due out.
    
    	Tigga~~~

    Whoops - Buck doesn't like Poison ... might as well write lock this
    one, huh ?    8^}
    
    
    
    				Scary

    Sorry people for coping such a totally negative attitude, like, you
    know?
    
    Ahem...
    
    I'm psyched that the new Poison album is coming out...I can look
    forward to learning all of those HOT CC Deville licks!

    
    	I heard Poison's new one "Skinny Bop" or whatever it's called
    	on 'AAF last night.
    
    	*YAWN*
    
    	I've only heard it that one time but I didn't like it.
    
    
    	tigga~~~~

    
     Ya, I heard it last night too. 
    
     *YAWNAGAIN*
    
     But I do like their last two albums so I'll give this one time to grow
     on me.
    
    							
    								R.C.
     

    
    
    	RE: Last two albums
    
    	I thought "Open Up..." was decent but this song is Stupid 
    	(notice the capital s) (;
    
    	tigga~~~

    They seem to have a knack for writing some REALLY stupid stuff when
    they wanna...Like Want Some, Need Some, and Back to the Rockin Horse...
    way lame!!!

    
    
    	RE: Buck
    
    	But at least the beat/tempo on those songs was tolerable.
    	This song doesn't "flow" smoothly or anything.
    
    	Thumbs down. )8
    
    	tigga~~~~

    
    I heard their new tune onthe way back from lunch just caught the
    end of it!!!  Thank god I hadn't eaten yet! 8^)
    
    BLECK!!!
    
    Rae

    
     Well, I've given the "Fat-Bop" a few more chance to grow on me and it
    has. DEFINATLY not my fav Poison tune, but not as bad as the inpression
    it gave me the first time I heard it. 
    
     								R.C.
    

    
    Junk.
    
    
    
    
                                DEEBS

    yard dog.

    
    	I heard another cut from Poison's newest... and I have to admit:
    I liked it! It rocked!
    
    What someone said earlier about C.C. Deville improving album to
    album is absolutely true, some tasty licks in the new song I heard.
    
    /Motorbreath...laugh if you may, but three albums later, Poison's
    still successful.

    I kinda like the new "bop" tune .... CC's still a hack, but a much
    improved hack !	8^)
    
    Scary (who couldn't touch a LOT of CC's lix ...)

    
    
    I saw the video last night and I thought it was kinda corny.  Bret
    doing his little bop with two half naked female images dancing right
    along with him.  Why didn't they get some real girls??  It looked
    silly to me.  Also, I have a question is CC fat or what??  He's
    always wearing long trench coats and shirts that come down to his
    ankle.  Just curious.
    
    P.S  I thought the song wasn't half bad.

    
    	RE: .167
    	>Is CC fat?
    
    	Hardly!  If I remember correctly, the man is a twig.  He's just
    	got one of those big faces that overwhelms the bod.
    
    	>why didn't they get some real girls??
    
    	I think the real girls are the two who are waiting for CC
    	at the end of the song. (8
    
    	tigga~~~
    

    
    
    RE: Bill, I didn't know CC was a shorty.  No, I never met him in
    person.  Curiousity satisfied. - Thanks

    CC fat?  I don't think so, however it does appear that he may have
    thinning hair.  Sure seems like he wears a lotta hats...
    
    gh

    Hey,the guy just has a fat(big)head!
    leave em be.
    
                                  Crazy_Al

    I keep hearing "Unskinny Bop" and I hate to admit it, but it's kind of
    growing on me.  I do freely admit that I don't understand the
    title/lyrics.  Anyone got a clue for me?
    
    gh

    
    	RE: . 173
    
    	I heard somewhere in the grapevines that the song was written
    	because Bret knew someone who managed some porn stars and that
    	manager set one up with CC.  Apparently CC had too good of
    	a time with her.
    
    	...Now I doubt highly that it's true myself but hey - who am
    	I to say?
    
    	tigga~~~~

    But why "UNskinny"?  That's what I don't understand...
    
    gh

    I guess "unskinny" is used so as not to openly offend fat chix.  But it
    does seem a bit strange that the cartoon characters and the 2 girls in
    the video are FAR from unskinny !  Go figure ..
    
    Scary

    
    	RE: Unskinny bop
    
    	Hmmm... surely Poison must have a 1-900 number we could call
    	to find out what they mean, eh?  (;
    
    	tigga~~~

    >>	Hmmm... surely Poison must have a 1-900 number we could call
    >>	to find out what they mean, eh?  (;
    
    
    
    I dunno but I wouldn't be surprised to see one in the near future.

    Here's one for their wonderful diction...
    
    I thought the tune wuz saying "Bop-city Bop" for the longest time!
    "Unskinny Bop"...who woulda thought?!?

>             <<< Note 128.179 by ICS::BUCKLEY "Cocked & Loaded!" >>>
>                    -< Bad diction or even worse hearing? >-
    
    Must be those Marshall stacks Buck!  Time to invest in a chromatic
    tuner! ;-)
    
    Mike 

    
    	Well, I haven't gone over the recent replies here ... but CC
    	wails on the new album!!
    
    	"Poor Boy Blues" and "Come Hell or High Water" are great!!
    
    	Vixen was quoted as saying "Who'd you get to play guitar on
    	the new album?"
    
    	8^)
    							GTI
    

I agree.  CC DeVille has been taking guitar lessons.

    Yep. That was the first thing I noticed when I heard their
    new stuff.
    
    /Motorbreath...check the Poison note (VIXEN SHOULD TALK)

    Taken from People magazine, September 3, 1990 issue without permission.
    
    
    FLESH AND BLOOD - Poisen
    
    
    In the two years since their 1988 smash "Open Up and Say... Ahhh!", the
    boys have undergone some cosmetic changes.  They've toned down the
    heavy eye shadow, lipstick and the mercilessly teased coifs.  According
    to a record company publicist, the band is now concentrating on an
    image of "harder metal, flatter hair."
    
    From the sounds of this mind-numbing effort and the band's new look,
    however, it's the other way around.
    
    Their chart success and attention to fashion detail notwithstanding,
    these glam rockers are no different from most of their peers.  So it's
    not suprising that there is barely one semicreative musical idea in
    this whole package.  On most songs you get some tired guitar riffs
    pawned off as a melody, a solo consisting of shopworn flying-finger
    techniques and a return to a forgettable chorus.  Lead singer Bret
    Michaels has just average pipes - if you've heard one caterwaul you've
    heard them all - and guitarists like C.C. DeVille are a dime a dozen. 
    They create formulaic music that obviously sells, but c'mon, guys,
    you're supposed to be one of the *better* metal outfits.
    
    The slightly inspired, which is to say best, cuts include the bouncy
    single "Unskinny Bop" and "Ride the Wind," which shows the band can mix
    it up when they put as much of their hearts into their music as they do
    their hips.  But by the end of the last track, "Poor Boy Blues," the
    preceding 50 minutes or so seem mostly like wasted time.
    
    

    
    
    RE: 184 - Hehe - I liked that one.
    
    - Kim

    
    	I don't give a  **** what they say about the album ... it
    	rocks!!
    
    	After I listen to Metallica, Judas Priest, and Paula Abdul,
    	the Poison CD is next in the car!!
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Wasted time? Wasted money....
    
    B.A.

    
    At least they got an accurate review.
    
    SoHong

                Great review!!!    Glad  SOMEBODY sees it like it
                is!
                
                Shawn..... they suck :').
                
                grins, merlin
                
                
                

    
    
    I think you know something is wrong when a bands whole purpose for an
    album is "harder metal, flatter hair".
    
    According to the record company!!!   ACK!
    
    Picture board meeting with agents, promoters, record company vice
    president, and Poisen...
    
    "okay boys, this time around, lets concetrate on flattening down that
    hair.."
    
    F.

    
    	RE:. Francine
    
    
    	Ya.. and if they hadn't??!  Everyone would complain that
    	they're "glam", "pretty boys" etc. etc. etc.
    
    	I don't see a way they can win.
    
    	tigga~~~~ who hasn't even heard the newest

    
    
    I mean:
    
    I think its an odd thing to promote for a band!
    
    They are winning!  they are mega stars as it is.. 
    
    F.

    
    
    I know what Francine is saying.  That it's preety comical that a band
    would say something like "Yah, were trying to be a little harder AND
    flatten our hair"  
    
    Like whoa boys, you got a lotta a work to do this might take a lot of 
    practice and hard work.  
    
    -kim

    What's this I hear about a new Poison song/video about a Vietnam vet
    that contains many references to God in it?  True or not?
    
    Mike

    I heard that song on the radio a few days ago.  The music sounded like
    a rip-off of Every Rose Has It's Thorn.  The lyrics seemed pretty
    intelligent (for a band that sings "Unskinny Bop"...)
    
    gh

    
    
    is it somethin to bleieve in?
    
    wendy o'
    
    

    Yep, that's the one ... there are a couple references there .. like one
    line (can't remember the *exact* words), but he's talking about street
    people sleeping on a dowtown sidewalk under a flashing sign that says
    "Jesus Saves".  The words to this tune are GREAT !  It deals with a
    vietnam vet trying to finds "something to believe in", and a good friend of
    Brett Michaels who died in a hotel room on Christms eve.  
    
    Scary ... unfortunately the song makes too much sense ...

    
    
    	If the video is any indication of who dies, then it's one
    	of the roadies that used to be with the band.  Anyone 
    	remember a big black dude that carried CC Deville off stage
    	in one of the other videos??  It was him....
    
    	The songs is growing on me...
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    	Look again for what?
    
    	I heard on some radio station that the song was dedicated to
    	one of their roadies who died.  
    
    	The guy they showed was the one carrying a member of Poison
    	(I thought it was CC, maybe it was Bobby) off stage and then
    	another picture of him.
    
    	What am I missing?
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    
    	RE: -1
    
    	so who's talking about "Every Rose...."?????
    
    	tigga~~~

    I saw most of that video last night on MTV.  Seems it was the most
    requested one of the day.  Shows ya how easy it is to rehash the same
    song with new words and get another hit...
    
    From what I heard it seemed to be mostly a negative statement about the
    class system in this country and disillusionment with religion (you
    know the old "how could a just God allow this to happen?" kind of
    thing).  JMO.
    
    gh

    re.tigga 
    
    
    you undertone (me thinks he is saying ..) that is sounds like 
    "every rose"
    
    I like the song, looks like POISON is growing up and talking about 
    life and making people think! :*}
    
    
    
    wendy o'
    

    
    
    	RE: Wendy
    
    	But I didn't say a word about "Every Rose..." I think it
    	was gh who said it sounded like that song.
    
    	?!
    
    	tigga~~~

>    	RE: -1
    
>    	so who's talking about "Every Rose...."?????
 
    
    re:198-.20* 
    
    	if you didnt say anything about "every rose" thens whats this
    A mirage??  :^}
    
    
    
    	wendy o'
       

    
    
    	Nope... this was before that.  He told me to look at the
    	video again because I was missing something but I don't
    	know what it was I was missing and then Buck said something
    	about "Every Rose...".  I didn't mention that song in my
    	original note.
    
    	me mui confused!!
    
    	tigga~~~

    I don't know if anyone else did, but I know I clearly said it was an
    "Every Rose..." rip off!  Crimany, the melody is almost exactly the
    same!
    
    gh

    I dont't know , sounds like the dude is singing a pretty decent jam to
    me... Idon't think it sounds so much like Rose. Its a great ballad
    ...period. Can they help it if their good at them??!!
    
                        The "B."
    

    
      _    /|   
      \'o.O'    
      =(___)=   Aack!!!
         U      
    

    -2:
    "singing a pretty decent jam"?  I didn't know Poison could jam!
    let along sing one!
    <Ken>
    

    
    	RE: Ken
    
    	Do you have the new album?  If not, get it, and listen to:
    
    	"Come Hell or High Water"
    	"Poor Boy Blues"
    	"Valley of Lost Souls" [not as good, but OK]
    
    	After you hear these, you'll actually admit that they've come
    	a long way from their early crap.  [Of course, if you tell
    	yourself you won't like the album to begin with, then you'll
    	obviously hate it ... so keep an open mind.]
    
    							GTI
    

    Well Maybe I should give it a listen.  I haven't heard those songs,
    but what I have heard is exactly what you described the earlier stuff to
    be.
    Anything that promotes the uprise of metal without mocking or insulting
    it...  I'm open to!
    <Ken>

    
    	They always pick the "commercial" stuff to release as singles,
    	because it encourages the "majority" to buy the album.  When
    	you actually listen to some of these "glam metal" albums, you
    	find that the B-tracks are usually more in tune [ar, ar] to
    	what you're looking for.
    
    	This is the wrong topic for this, but it's relevant.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    I would go and get a copy, but...
    
    I don't feel like fighting through the LYFBGC(tm)...
    
    Legion of Young Female Bubble Gum Chewers.
    8*)
    
    SESOB
    

      I heard the whole album a couple weeks ago on the radio. I didn't
    think it sounded that bad. As a matter of fact I thought it had quite a
    few decent tunes. Definitly listenable.
    							The KER
    

    
    
    	I think it was Shawn who referred to doing a comparison of
    	their most recent album with their first.  I heard a song
    	off their first album (can't remember which one) and have
    	to admit, they HAVE improved over the years.
    
    	They've thrown away the majority of their hair spray,
    	eyeliner AND frilly clothes.  Give 'em a break guys.  I
    	find (IMHO) that when most people hear the name "Poison"
    	they immediately think of "Talk Dirty to Me" and NOT of
    	their recent stuff.
    
    	Most people say they enjoy a band's earlier stuff, Poison
    	is actually stepping UP rather than DOWN!
    
    	tigga~~~ who hasn't gotten the album - yet.

    
      My 7 year old son likes the tape and so do I. He's a metal man
    in the making! 
    
                       R.B.

    
    You mean more like poseur in the making.  
    8*)
    
    SESOB

      I won the new Flesh and Blood CD off the radio the other week and
    since then have had time to give it several runs through. First off I
    would like say that this is my first DDD CD. I think the sound quality
    is excellent. I am really impressed. I wonder if all DDD's sound this
    good. Second I think this is really a pretty decent album. Some of the
    songs definitly have some killer lix. For those that don't have it I
    think it is worth getting. FWIW this is the only Poison album I got and
    if I hadn't had won it on the radio I may never have gotten it from some
    of the revue's I read hear. Maybe I just like posuer music, I don't
    know.
    						The KER
    

    
    Poison will release a double live album called 'Swallow This Live' in
    the Autumn...it will also feature five studio tracks.
    
    Flip

    And all who buy it will .

    Poison has evolved into a pretty decent band (IMHO). "Flesh and Blood"
    is a BIG improvement over the previous releases.
    
    I'm not a big fan of "live" albums, but it'll probably sell a bunch of
    copies.
    
    
    Scary

    I'm not a poison fan at all,I think they are pretty bland and talentless
one of the things that bugs me most is the way Bret Michaels always
    pouts in photos!looks likes he was having a frantic snogs with someone
    and got lockjaw.
    
    
                                            IMHO
                                            Staynz

      I have to agree with Scary. I think Flesh and Blood is their best
    effort yet. I don't care what they look like, after all I don't have to
    look at them everyday. I do like the last album though especially that
    lil guitar piece before unskinny bop and Poor Boy Blues. JMO.
    					The KER
    

    
    	RE: .226
    
    	I agree completely ... like I've said, I don't even watch
    	videos because I really don't care how creative a band can
    	get, besides recording the songs.
    
    	CC Deville WAILS!!
    
    							GTI
    

    I rather liked Flesh and Blood in the beginning.  But it gets old pretty 
    quick as it is really one ballad too many!
     
    Also my tape machine didn't like it as it chewed up 2 recordings!  I
    don't think Poison have quite got it right yet!
    
    
    GAZ

    Granted, they're pretty generic, as is Nelson, BonJovi, Warrant, and
    on.  But ALL of these bands have their moments - would I buy the album ?
    No.  Would I tape the CD ?  Certainly.
    
    Scary

      Well have you got it taped yet?
    			The KER
    

    Here's my grading scale on guitar players - If *I* can play their
    chops, then *they* don't impress me much.  I used to bash Slash and CC
    quite a bit, but after listening to their albums, I gotta eat some
    crow.  I was watching some special on MTV with Poison, and they showed
    some live footage that didn't flatter Mr. DeVille very much.  BUT, the
    album has some pretty good work.  No, he's not going to be remembered
    as a guitar great, and you probably won't find any of his "signature"
    lix on a learn_to_burn tape, but the BAND will be known for a lot of
    years.  He falls into the same category as Mick Mars, he's not the
    hottest player in the world, but da Crue is an *awesome* band !
    
    
    Scary (who's actually been practicing this weekend - thanks to Vito
    Brata !)

    
    
    CC Deville does not record his solo's in one take. He writes them, and
    then he records them piece by piece. You listen to the ballad "Life
    goes on" on Flesh and Blood and you can even HEAR the joins on the
    solo!
    
    CC Sucks.

    I bet a lot of players do that.  Maybe its not a case of "CC Sucks",
    but, "the sound engineer sucks".
    
    
    Scary (in devil's_advocate mode ...)

    
    just wondering...
    Sometimes when I hear a C.C. solo it sounds like he tuned down,
    slowed the tape down, played the solo (in pieces :-] ), and 
    then the tape is played back at normal speed, resulting a solo
    that sounds pretty fast.
    
    It just seems like sometimes his finger vibrato seems unnaturally fast
    and also notes seem to decay too quickly.  The overall result is 
    kind of a "chipmunk" effect.
    
    Not making accusations here, just wondering if this ever crossed 
    anyone else's mind.
    
    (no just you ) Jim

    
    
    	Oh ya!!  I heard on the radio a couple nights ago that
    	CC and Bret got into a fist fight... boom! bap! zoom!
    	(8
    
    	Apparently being on the road is getting to them. 
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    
    	Now now now B.A.... give credit where credit is due.
    	They've cut down on the use of hairspray since they
    	first appeared on the music scene...
    
    	As a matter of fact, I couldn't even believe it was
    	the same band when I saw "Cry Tough"  ...yow!
    
    	tigg~~

    I heard that somebody showed CC a hardcopy of all the replies to  this
    note,and then told him that Brett put us up to writing them.
    
                               Crazy_Thus_the_fight_Al

    CC's just mad becuase he needs to wear more makeup, to hide his ugly
    puss, than Brett does to get da chicks!
         

    Uh oh .. me and Buckley agreeing again ...  8^)
    
    CC is quite a mutt .... yeeearf !
    
    
    Scary (who sprouted a beard to hide his lack of AKC registry)

    re: CC and the chipmunk effect
    
    Maybe he does that, but so what?  Pretty much everyone does.  He plays
    the solos live....
    
    Talk about overdubs and piecing solos together, George Lynch is about
    the worst I've heard about that.  Lots of his solos have notes from one
    phrase that hang into the next one.  I remember reading an interview
    with Smith and Murry from Iron Maiden way back where they SAID they
    pieced together their solos in the studio and had to learn how to play
    'em later (I wouldn't have known...).  This is nothing new, it's the
    standard studio jive that everyone does.
    
    Not that I'd really be one to stick up for CC or anything...but he
    smokes me anyway, so what do I care?
    
    gh

    >re: CC and the chipmunk effect
    >Maybe he does that, but so what?  Pretty much everyone does.
    
    A lot of guitarists piece together solos from a bunch of different
    takes, but I think that virtually none slow the tapes down to play
    the solos (bar CC?).
    
    This, to me, is sort of a cheap and annoying trick.  It gives the
    impression that a guitar player is more technically skilled than
    he actually is (cheap).  It also introduces the "chipmunk" 
    effect (annoying).
    
    Jim

       I was Watching MTV the other night and POison came on with their
    new video(Life Goes On) so I said "cool".  As I kept watching
    what do my wondering eyes observe but a totally SH^TTY vid. is
    going down in my living room!!!!
    I HATE the new vid.!! It looks like the other snot-nose kiddy crap
    ya see on there everyday!  
    The vid. has fake scenery,neon writing of the lyrics(I hate that!) and
    electic static charge going up and down the neck when C.C. is playing
    his solos!YUK!! I can't believe it....They really let me down this
    time! 
    
    I also heard the second version of "SOMETHIN' TO BELIEVE IN" and
    the lyric are cool but C.C. is doing C.C. De FLAMINGO and playing
    scales and your crap riffs from hell! If I was Bret I wouldv'e
    kicked him in the head!!!!!
    
                              Die C.C.......DIE!!!!
    
                                       Frizkid
    

    
    
    Look at the band that made it...
    

>            -< Someone should take away their instruments >-
    
    But if they did that, then Poison would have more time available for
    writing pop songs and playing guitar, bass, drums and stuff...
    
    gh

    
    Rob, you shoulda killed them when they were at Celebrations and you had
    the chance!

    
    Yeah, with Maximum backing them up! :')
    
    It was Narcissus actually :')
    
    I still have that stupid flyer I think...
    

    READ N HEED (if you care):
    
    
    The 1991 Poison tour has been officially CANCELLED!!!
    
    Rumor has it the band is breaking up (yey!!), but to get all the facts,
    watch eMpTyV tonight.  Bret will be on Kurt Loder's show, explaning
    the hows, whys, and general what's up with Poison, the tour, etc.
    
    Buck

    
    
    What time?
    
    And I've got a baby shower to go to!!
    
    Someone what it and put the details in here!!
    
    Goddess F.

    >>The 1991 Poison tour has been officially CANCELLED!!!
    
    >>Rumor has it the band is breaking up (yey!!), but to get all the facts,
    
    
    <insert picture of Frizkid bawling his poseur eyes out>

    But Frizzy(tm) is not a poseur!

    I not but I like some of what some would "poser" bands!!!!!!!!!!
    
           NO....NO.....NO......NO.......Don't break-up!!!
    
    
                     What a sad day for rock & roll!!!!
    
       I don't care as long as Bret Micheals does solo albums.....That's 
    were the talent  is !!!!!!
    
                      Frizkid
    

    >>>I not but I like some of what some would "poser" bands!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Musta used WENDYOsort to come up with that combination. Either that or
    he just forgot a few words. If you have trouble Friz, call me and I'll
    tell you how to spell some of 'em.

    You ain't foolin anyone Friz!  We all know you just liked Poison
    because of Rikki Rocket and that gum in his hair!
    
    gh (who's betting you throw gum in your hair at your next gig...)

     PARIS BURNING RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!(my band)
    
            1. No boffing anyone on the mailing list!!!
            2. NO GUM CHEWING AT GIGS!!!heeheeheehee
    
     
                Jesse......Definatly Wendy-o!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
         But if I had trouble I would'nt call you.......I'd get in more 
    TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!
    
                  Frizkid
    

I heard that Rikki got tired of being on the road, and after Brett lost his
voice last week, he got fed up and flew back home.

I heard an acoustic version of "Something To Be Believe In" this morning - 
anyone know if/where this is available??? It was really good, much better 
than the studio version - it had totally different lyrics which just amazed
me, because they were much more mature, biting and emotional than I ever
expected out of these guys.....

alan

     It's on the back of the cass-single for"
     LIFE GOES ON"!
    
     Watch out for C.C. de Flamingo.....I think he ruined it!
    
                     Frizkid
    
    

    Yeah, someone should yanked down CC's fader in the mix, big time.
    
    CC_who_knows_one_scale_deville
    
    

> CC_who_knows_one_scale_deville

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that - the leads really showed how limiting his
talent is! I always thought CC was ok on record, and I guess he is, but this
goes to show that he knows nothing in the way of improvisation.....

alan

    
    
    So, did anyone check out the news on eMpTyV last night?
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    
    
    	Yup, They're not breaking up, they're not fighting.. etc....
    
    	Bobby Doll broke a few fingers so they could'nt finish the tour.
    	I guess the company wanted them to get a 'fill in' for the rest
    	of the tour, but Brett said he would'nt do that cuz it would'nt
    	be 'Poison'. Once his fingers get better, they'll be back at it...
    
    
    	JW
    	

    
    
    
    It was probably all some groupie rumour!!!

    Too bad they're not breaking up.

    Yeah,`cos then the almighty PRETTY BOY FLOYD could take their place.
    
    Arf!Arf!
    
    Joe Strummer.
    
    

    <insert  picture of Friz looking up through tear-strained eyes. saying
    in a choked voice, "Thank You">
                      

        I was relieved!!!!!!
    
         Never believed it...........wicked rumor!
    
            I was hardly in tears..........I would cry if Steven Tyler died
    but that's were I DRAW THE LINE!!!
    
                         Frizkid
    
    

    In an interview in RIP, Poison announced that they will be releasing a
    new album ready to hit the Christmas market (CC as Santa?).  The album
    will include 4 never before heard studio tracks and an accoustic
    version of one of the ballads from Flesh and Blood (can't remember
    which).  The band will then tour on the proceeds from this album for 5
    or 6 months before taking a 6 month rest (dry out?).
    
    Brett would then like to play with a hardcore Thrash band for a while,
    as he has some 'angry' material that he thinks would be more
    appropriate for this genre.  Possible Slayer tie-in perhaps?
    
    The rest of the band are awaiting offers from New Kids on the Block
    management!
    
    Oh, by the way, they really slammed Jani Lane of Warrant for his
    attitude on the recent support for F&B tour.
    
    
    GAZ 

    
    
    What did Jani Lane do?

    
    Apparently it was an attitude problem!  He thought that Poison should
    be opening for Warrant!  In fact, he apparently shouted to the audience
    at the end of their (Warrant's) act something like "We are Warrant, the
    next time you see us we won't be opening for these guys or for any other
    band".  He also caused some problems with the stage management!
    
    The same/similar thing happened with Warrant on the DLR tour in Europe,
    where they were booed off the stage!
    
    I have never seen Warrant so I can't comment personally.  But I am not
    that keen on their music so this sort of thing would put me off seeing
    them totally!  I also think this giving away of cameras (snub at GnR)
    at their show in the US, sounds pretty typical of them!  Childish to
    the extreme!
    
    
    GAZ

    -1
    
    In a similar vain move, I recently read an article in a guitar rag with
    the two "guitarists" of this band.  The first thing of out Eric
    Turner's mouth was "Is this story going to be on the cover?" 
    Interviewer says "I donno...that's up to the editor", and he says "well
    it should be!!!"
    
    fwiw, Steve Vai was on the cover!  ;^)

    
    They sound pretty ridiculous, although I can picture that coming out
    of Nuno's mouth, even way back in high school.

    
    Well, they are all just kids, huh!
    
    
    GAZ

    late 20s .nes. "kids" imho

    To me they are Buck!  Anyway, anybody who behaves like they are
    supposed to deserves to be called a kid! IMHO.
    
    
    GAZ

    I saw Poison's performance of "Talk Dirty To Me" from the video music
    awards on MTV this morning while I was getting ready for work and THEY
    *SUCKED*!!!!  What a terrible sound...
    
    CC's guitar sound was the WORST!  And that stupid pink hair, he
    looked more like a clown then anything else.  Played badly too.  That's
    an easy song to play (I can even do it) and he was up there screwing
    up!  Not only that, I was looking at his guitar cord going "Gee, he
    should have run that through his strap or it'll get pulled out" and
    about that time he hops on it and does exactly that.  Then he's looking
    around for it and all... HAHAHA!!!
    
    He had a raft of Crate guitar cabs behind him, don't tell me he's using
    their amps now too?  And I thought those nasty Randalls were bad...
    
    gh
                                                                       

    
    
    	Speaking of his pink hair, Chris and I were at the 
    	Rockingham Mall meandering around after going to
    	Canobie last week and we saw a Wishkin with a leather
    	jacket and hot pink hair. (8
    
    	I was going to buy it and send it to the band to see
    	if they recognized the long lost member. (8
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    
    	Hey Kim, think it was a wig? ;')

    
    
    	Hmmmmm...... nah.  Not this time. (;
    
    	tigg~~~

    From all reports my dream came true.....
    
       C.C. DEVILLE is OUT of Poison!
     
             I guess the band gave him an ultimatium of checking to a
    clinic for drug abuse or getting kicked out.
              He refused to go to any clinic so {BOOT}.....
    
             Poison are holding auditions very secretively for their new
     guitarist.
    
                   Any guess?
                                 Frizkid
    

Gee, even I could probably get that part !

Wagagagagaga

    NAH....You don't have the song writing abitlities or the poofy hair. 8)
    
                   SORRY COOP....He might not of been the best guitarist 
     but he wrote some cool stuff.
    
                             Frizkid
    

Ace Frehley?

    Sure ugly enough ...  ACK !
    
    Scary

    Hey frizkid, I think you spoke too soon, dude.  I heard last night on
    MTV's "Day In Rock" that CC is still in the band, and that he AND Bobby
    Doll are currently in a rehab.  And the record company says they are
    still together; that they will notify the public when or IF Poison
    should break up.  
    
    my opinion:  They won't last much longer, I've heard a lot more rumors
    about all of it, as you know (friz).
    
    'pril

    
    They're all a bunch o' geeks anyway... 8^)
    
    I could never stand C.C. or Rikki.
    
    IF they stopped playing crap music and put their minds to it, they
    might come up with something listenable. IMHO
    
    
    Chris

          You wrong on this you frenzied-crazy thrasher....
    
             They make cool sounds that I and aleast 17 million other
     people like to listen to....So......crawl back in your hole..8)
    
    
                     Frizkid
    

    
    I'm sorry to say that Flesh and Blood barely made triple platnum. That
    means 3 million not 17.
    
    
    Chris

    I'm sorry but in Poison carreers they've sold over 17 millions records!
            So..In your face....
    PLus...What's this barely triple platium?
               That's damn good...3 millions is nothing to turn your back
    on.
    
                     Frizkid
    

    3 mil??  small potatoes!  8)
    
    	JUST JOKING FRIZKID!!
    
    'pril (he's right, it's nothing to snub your nose at!)

    
    just making a entirely opinionated statement.
    
    My nose doesn't snub, BTW  8^)
    
    Micheal Jackson's Thriller album sole 45 million by itself, Bad sold
    almost 20 million, so blah!   8^)
    
    
    Chris 

     Chris,
    
           Are you saying you've never liked any of their songs?
           C'mon tell the truth........
             You've never caught yourself singing along with "NUTHIN' BUT A
    GOOD TIME"...or..."TALK DIRTY TO ME"...or..."EVERY ROSE HAS IT'S
    THORN"?
    
                          Frizkid
    

    
    
    The truth. I bought Poison's first tape. I even listened to it for a
    little while. I just got REAL sick if them and their music. I just put
    them down cause I know they have fans in this conference and I like to
    razz 'em.
    
    I have sang 'Every Rose Has It's Thorn'...sarcastically, because I
    could get my voice to sound like Bret Michael's.
    
    Nothing but a good time...Never.
    
    Talk dirty to me....I might have said it, but I never sang the song.
    
    Chris

    AH...HA!!!!!!!
    
         Just as I thought.....CLOSET POSEUR!!!
    
                   8)
                           Frizkid
    
     

    
    CLOSET WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Don't ever call me that fudgin name again. I despise that more than 
    almost any other name.
    
    I HATE POISON. so there. You can like 'em...don't bother me none.
    
    Chris

    
    re: -1
    
    
    8^)

    re-1
    
        Only a true CLOSET POSEUR would grab the 300 POSEUR replies in a
    Poison topic......8)!
    
           You don't hate Poison...Your just hiding it because your afraid
               of showing your true idenity!
    
         Frizkid
    

    
    OOOHHHHH man, your making it hard to refrain from taking violent
    action. Yer lucky I like ya!   8^)
    
    
    I am refraining from ever replying to this topic again, unless it is
    totally negative

        I'm I uncovering to much truth? 8)
    
                     Frizkid
    

re: Friz...


	Ahem...but you forgot the fact that Poison $UCKS!!!!!

re:-1 can't get much more negative than this reply!!!  8)


					-Seth

	BTW.....My P_N is for the MEGADETH song... It has nothing
		to do with the group POISON....


	Well, then again if I needed a reason to kill my self I
	suppose Poison would be the cure...  (They would push me
	right to the edge...)   8)


						-Seth

     OH...Another "man" trying to duel...{YAWN}!
    
            You sound like your insercure about your manhood so you try
     and hide the fact that you like Poison....8)
    
            You might hate the group but I don't so thanks for your little
     dity...NOW LEAVE!  8)
    
                        Frizkid
    

	OHHHHHHH  I better watch out...  You might spray me with
	hairspary...   Or worse yet put some of your lipstick on
	me!!!   *quiver quiver*   8)


	Down with Poseion!!!!!  I knew you would like Poison 
	Friz poseurs stick together (By their hairspray).


					-Seth

      Now...Now....You can't steal my lines from me in the same arguement..
    
             Sheezzz.....
    
          For the Record: I do NOT wear hairspray or Lipstick.
    
        And If you see in early replies to this topic...I HATE C.C.!!
             BTW-Hair has nothing to do with this...
                   Only posers like yourself would care what color his hair
    is....8)
    
                   Frizkid
    

	Hey......Give it up dude!!!   8)


	The FACT is that Poison $ucks...  That's all there is too it...

	I have to admit one thing though...   I like the way the constantly
	cange their name and what the look like....

	I mean one day they are Poison... The next day they are Warrant...
	and the next they are Tuff.... Then they go back to Poison again.

	I swear they are all the same people!!!! 8)


				I can't wait you next lame reply FrizPose!! 8)

							-Seth

	

    re: Chris
    
    You actually *sang* "Every Pose Has It's Porn"???  Aaaaaaccckkk!
    What a POSEUR!  Sheesh, even *I* wouldn't sink that low!
    
    gh

    I made up a tune called "every Nose, has it's Corn". It was written
    about my old roommate who has a big nose and got a pimple on it.

    
    
    Re: .310
    
    	No I made fun of it , while I sang it. I just thought it was a
    riot making fun of the song in my best bret michaels voice.
    
    Sheesh, Posuer I am Not.
    
    (Didn't I say I wasn't gonna reply to this posuer topic...oh well I'm
    in the holiday mood.)
    
    
    Chris

    
    what a junk band... let's not get into the debate again that album
    sales has nothing at all to do with quality of music and composition
    though.  i have never liked a single pose'n song.  i will admit though
    (this is a tough one to admit) that some of the new skid row stuff
    ain't half bad (before this last album i would have said the same thing
    about them, so see, i do have an open mind... sometimes :')).  friz, no
    hairspray?  even i wear that...  can i be a poseur now too?  :')
    
    

    
    Re: Rob
    
    	You gotta see if he'll lend you some of his Official Posuer Stage
    Gear....
    
    
    Chris

    I heard on the radio Poison just released a live album..."Live
    Swallow" or something like that.
    
    I bet it stinks!!

    
    I wouldn't know, since I will never listen to it....but if I may assume
    from their past work, I would bet the same as Buck.
    
    
    (Hey, me and buck agreeing?? What is this world coming to.  8^)
    
    
    Chris

    It's called Suck This Live, Buck..  8)
    
    'pril 

    
    Wouldn't that be the follow up...
    
    y'know  First Suck Than Swallow  8^)
    
    
    Chris

    
    	It's called "Swallow This Live!".
    
    							GTI

    oops  !  8)

    
    and I thought it was called this sucks live.
    
    

    
    That's what they shoulda called it.
    
    
    FRIZ...where the hell are you to object to all this Poison Bashing.
    (he's probaby puttin'on his make up and doin' his hair...hahah  8^)
    
    
    Chris

    
    
    Poison was good for what they did, even I'll admit that. Their song
    writting is good for the genre of music they're doing. Personally,
    I like Cinderella's better, but that's my opinion.
    
    Friz, what do you think of Cinderella anyway?

    
    i won't admidt that cause Friz will call me a closet Posuer...   8^)
    
    
    I also think Cinderella are better....believe it or not...i have one
    of their albums.!  (eek *^)
    
    
    Chris

    I like the first Cinderella lp better (way better) than the first
    Poison album.  The 1st Poison album had like 3 good songs on it...all
    the rest were naff.  Cinderella was awesome, but they don't know what
    kind of band they wanna be, and Tom Keifer's voice is SHOT (and people
    complain about Axl's?!)!

    
    re: .324
    
    you hypocrite!!  thrash poseur you!  :')
    
    - rob who owns theatre of pain accidentally (does that count?)  :')
    
    

    
    ARGH..see what happens.. 8^)
    
    
    Chris who also owns theatre of pain, because it was a gift. It's also
    cracked.
    
    

    
    I own theatre of pain, saw the tour, and I did it on purpose! 8-)

    
    Uh Oh, Friz is gonna have fun with that, pete.   8^)
    
    
    
    Chris

    
    
    Welp, I own all the Motleys albums, and alot of bootlegs, along with
    all of Poisons, except the new live album..
    
    But thats along with all the Metallica, Anthrax, Most of Megadeths...
    
    And even..... >deep breath< A few Iron Maiden LPs...  ;') 
    
    JW-

      Most funny!!!! 8)
    
          Cinderella was a cool band but Tom Keifer stifles the talent in
    the band...Their getting worse.
       Poison-I own all the albums...Even though I admit they look like
    serious women on the first album(That's what got them signed...So all
     the power to them!)
       I own all the Motley albums and what ever I can get my hands on...
            They are WAY-COOL!!!!!
    The thing with Tom Keifer is that he trys to be Steven Tyler and
     fails badly....AEROSMITH RULZ!
    
                          Frizkid
    

    
    Dude, Tom is one of the most talented in the band! he may not have 
    the best voice, but he writes, plays guitar, and keyboards rather well!

    
    Comin' home is the reason I bought the album...
    
    
    I must admidt I never listen to it anymore.
    
    
    Chris

    Pete.....That's what I'm saying.
    
           He does too much.
    
                      Frizkid
    

    I happen to like Tom's voice!  Wouldn't be Cinderella without him!
    
    'pril

    I like Tom's voice too.....But he's a serious ego-maniac and a Steven
    Tyler WANNA-BE!
    
               Frizkid
    

    
    I agree with Friz, i think Tom is a mega-tyler wanna-be.
    
    
    Chris

>    I happen to like Tom's voice!  Wouldn't be Cinderella without him!
    
    True, they *might* be a *good* band without him!
    
    gh, who hates that guys voice!

    Tom *is* a MEGA-Tyler wannabe, but he's not as much of an EGO-MANIAC
    as their lead guitar player, Jeff LeBar (I've met both, and jeff is an
    a..h....!  Tom was cool).

    Cinderfella's lead work leaves me friggid.  The vocals *make* this
    band.  I've tried singing Cinderfella in front of a bar crowd - if you
    don't nail the vocals, the song falls through the cracks.  The band is
    a background for the vocals, and in all honesty, there's nothing wrong
    with that.
    
    Scary
    

    
    
    I think his voice used to be really cool, its not as good now though..
    
    I used to have there first tape (?) the one with "Nobody's Fool" its a
    good tape!
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    
    I guess their new album is suppose to be alot heavier.. (on the lines
    of Skid Row/Metallica) 
    
    Will these guys ever make up their mind?! IMO, they blew it a couple of
    albums back....
    
    
    JW-

    Re:Jim
    
       I won't believe that until I hear it....I don't think they could
    pull it off either.
    
                  Frizkid
    
             

HEY!!  DIDJA HEAR THE NEWS!!!!

C.C. Deville is OFFICALLY out of Poison, he has been kicked out for good!!

Poison is now looking for a replacement.


Maybe they will go that final step everyone has been waiting for

And dismember the group for good!!!!    >8*) 
(This should get Friz's hair in a fluff  (just kiddin' with ya dude))


						-Sethypooh

    
    Oh no...maybe he'll join Road Crew... the band for Displaced Drug
    Abusing Burnt Out Never Any Good Musicians.
    
    

    If he did join Road Slew,I bet even they would kick him out after a
    few months.
    
           Crazy_shutter_at_the_thought_of_C.C_solo_attempt_Al

    I'm soooo glad he's out.....
    
                     Frizkid
    

    
    Now if the group would just disband...everyone could turn their efforts
    to world peace.

    
    	I liked CC DeVille.
    
    	8^)
    
    	And yes, I'm serious ... the last album had the best guitar work
    	I've ever heard from him [not saying much, of course, but it was
    	a start].
    
    							GTI

    They announced on the radio last night that Warren de Martini would
    replace CC DeVille.
    
    Hope he doesn't have pink hair.
    
    BJ

    
    If it was a serious annoncement if think they're a perfect match and
    will go down on the history-of-overated-talentless-pratts list rather
    well.
    
    Cynical or NEW.
    -Tony

    
    
    Who is he?
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    Goddess....He's RATT'S GUITARIST!!! The one with brown hair...
    
         No way!! B.J....Are you serious?
            I think that would be WAY-COOL!!!!!!!!!
    
                          Frizkid
    

    
    Bleck!
    
    

    re: friz
    
    That's what the man on the radio said, right after he announced that
    Vince was leaving Motley Crue, so I guess it's true.
    
    re: buck
    
    Careful!  I think you got some on my shoes!
    
    ;'> !
    
    
    BJ

     >re: buck
     >
     > Careful!  I think you got some on my shoes!
     
    
    Sorry hon!  8^)
    
    Oh if only then and only then they woudl understand...

    re: Buck
    
    They'd turn a poor blooded city boy into a poor blooded city man.

    Ratt has long since $#!t the bed.

RE: Buck (-.1))

Agreed.  

HOwever, I think Warren DiMartini BLAZES !!  (Or at least CAN blaze).

I bet Poisons next effort will be the best yet.

jc (WHo didn't mind CC, But thinks Warren is HOT!)

    
    Great the new name for the band will be....
    
    You see it coming????
    
    
    
    
    Rattpoison.....
    
    
    ha ha ha 
    thump.....
    
    

    
    DiMartini is an excellent guitarist, you blasphemers. 8-)

    
    
    Warren SHRELPS!
    
    
    

There was a RattPoison tour right?  

    
    Re: Warren
    
    I think I must be missing somthing. I have the 'Ratt and Roll' cd and 
    I've listened to it a couple of times and wasn't too impressed. BUT, I
    may have missed something so would someone pick out a coule of tracks 
    that blaze so I can give it a proper listen.
    
    Ta, 
    Tony (always willing to give him a second chance).

    Friz and I were talking about this at lunch.  I think it's a good move
    for both parties concerned.  Poison gets a great guitar player, and
    Warren gets a band that has a better singer (not to mention, still
    sells records and still tours)!
    
    I just hope nobody makes him play CC's solos...  
    
    gh

    
    
    >> I just hope nobody makes him play CC's solos...  
    
    	What's wrong with my solos.... ;')

    
    >I just hope nobody makes him play CC's solos...  
    
    
    	If Warren practices hard enough, he should be able to improve at
    	least that much ... maybe more.
    
    							GTI
    

    HA!HA!HA!HA!  Poison got a better guitarist than Warren!!!!!!!!!
    
     This is going to ruin Buck...He's gonna have to like Poison now.
    
      Well....Should I tell you who it is???????hum......
    
    
         O.k. I'm getting to the point..........I'll give hints first.
    
    He's a shredder.....He has a song on Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.
    
     Get it yet?   RICHIE KOTZEN IS IN POISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
               I love it!
    
                        Frizkid
    

    I've heard the name but can't place any of his stuff.Can you name a few
    to get the old grey matter stimulated?
    
    
    
    
    

    He has a topic in here...Check it out!
    
     I think Buck know alot more than I do about him.....Buck?
    
       Frizkid
    

    If it's true Richie Kotzen in P{ionson ?  
    
    Will be alot better then old Pioson.
    
    
    KL
                                       

    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    I just bought Ritchie's "Electric Joy" album today and I was listening
    to it and started thinking "This guy has great chops but he'd be much
    better off in a real band".
    
    Gawd - I have the power to change the wolrd with my mind!!!! (ack!).

    
    BTW - The *best* playing I've heard Ritchie do is on his instructional
    video - he shreds. His solo stuff is rather LAME in comparason.

    WHAT instructional video?!?
    
    Buck, whos not come across that one yet!

    Oh.  Well, I guess I just don't know where to look.
    
    
    Who did the vid...Shrapnel?  Star Licks?  

    
    REH did the video and it is exellent.

    Yea ! Just Upgraded my POISON collections.... 8P

    Just too let ya'all know....Ritche Kotzen released a statement say he
    **IS** in Poison. Just to let ya know I wasn't pulling your chains.
    
           Frizkid
    

    Since C.C. doesn't have his own topic I'll do this here.
    
    C.C has reportedly put his band on hold since he is now taking ACTING
    lessons.  Weird...I didn't think there was that much of a demand
    for fools/court jesters in todays movies. 
    
            Frizkid
    

    Hmmm .. he ought to be taking "guitar" lessons ...
    
    But then again, he might as well take up acting - no one will ever take
    him seriously as a musician anyway ...
    
    Jerry

    Maybe he's shootin for a shot in Bat_Man III.
    
               Crazy_as_the_Joker_Al

    Did the Joker have blue hair?
    
             Frizzzzzzzzz
    

    
    
    C.C. is a Joke(r)..
    
    
    

    EXCELLENT! Good call my friend....8)
    
          Frizzzzzzzz
    

>    Did the Joker have blue hair?

The last time I saw C.C. (which was, admittedly, a while ago) he had
this fugly pastel pink hair that was frizzed out real bad so that he'd
have a place to hide the batteries.  A regular Chernobyl-do.  Gack!

-- 
Kevin

    
    	pastel??!  NOT!  More like blinding fuschia!!  =)
    

Re: JJ

Yeah, that's what I meant.  Thanks.

-- 
Kevin "and if you want to see color, check out my hair on the 4th of July!"

    Wel...FWIW-I have the new RIP and it has an article with C.C. ripping
    on Poison and he has BLUE hair. ACK!  He said part of the reason
    he left was the guys in the band didn't like his hair.
    What a dork......
                 Frizkid
    

    Yea right.  I wasn't saying that because I think image and hair DO have
    something to do with the success of the band.
    Now the color is a different story.
       Do you think if Sebastian Bach had red hair they would sell as many
    albums?  
              frizkid
    

re: .401

>    EXCELLENT! Good call my friend....8)
 
    ...and I remember when you used to DEFEND ol' CC!
    
    gh

    Bat_Mans' enemy,The Joker,has Green Hair.
    But give C.C some time...I bet he'll get around to it...
    
            Crazy_he's_gonna_wash_that_Blue_right_outta_his_hair_Al

    The guys in the band didn't like his hair either?!  Hahahahah!
    That's too funny!

    RE::Greg.....If you go back in this topic and read you'll see I never
    liked C.C.. Thank you very much!
    
             Frizbrat
    

    C.C was and always shall be a dick as will the rest of the original 
    Poison are!!I don't know about the new guy I've only ever heard one
    song from him and it was ok.
        Here is a question for all you Poison fans out there.Why,in about
    99% of pictures,does Brett Michaels have a stupid pout??Does he have a
    raw lemon up his arse??
    
    
                                                  Staynz

    Wouldn't you be poutin if you were in a band with C.C?
    
                    Crazy_Raw_lemon?_Al

    Personally speaking,i always liked the first album "Look what the cat
    dragged in".
    
    Er,i think that`s wot it wuz called anway.
    

    I didn't mind the first album for galmmed-out posuer rock, but all
    subsequent releases have been ultra naff!

    Nah!they've done nothing for me........except made me feel sick!
    
    
    
                                                   Staynz

>        Here is a question for all you Poison fans out there.Why,in about
>    99% of pictures,does Brett Michaels have a stupid pout??Does he have a
>    raw lemon up his arse??

1.  I'm not a Poison fan.

2.  Maybe he pouts because some Madison Ave. stuffed-shirt marketing d_ldo
    who needs to get a life told him that it looks sexy and'll drive all
    the young girls crazy which, in turn, will sell records which, in turn,
    will make said marketing d_ldo filthy rich?

    Maybe?  Maybe it's all "marketing" and no substance?  Hmmm???

-- 
Kevin

>Does he have a raw lemon up his arse??
    
    Something about that size...
                                
    PS Warrant are shite!

                                
=>   PS Warrant are shite!

............EXCELLANT..........!!


                                           Staynz  8)

    Thot you'd like that one, dude!
    gh

    You guys are truely lame....
    
                Frizzzzzzzz
    

    yup,lame yet happy!
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    8)...How come as much as I disagree with you I have to laugh me balls
    off everytime I see your notes?  
    
                  friz
    

    Because I'm an unsung comic genius???
    
    
                                              Staynz  8)

    C.C. is working with Kelly Hansen from Hurricane now....I never thought 
    he would stoop so low.
    
    and
    
    The Poison album is tentatively title "Native Tongue" and has a January
    93' release date.
    
                Friz
    

    re-1
    
    I don't want to upset you but,who cares!! 8)
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    re-1
    
     I don't want to upset you either but if you come out here you WILL 
    listen to ALL of Poison's albums. 8)
    
         Friz
    

    RE: Friz
    
    You mean, you actually listen to Poison, seriously?   Do you "poof"
    your bangs too?  
    
    8^)
    just kidding...
    
    Chad 

    Chad: HA!HA!HA! Funny....I do seriously listen to Poison and I'm not
    ashamed to say so either. I think they have good party songs and are
    fun to listen to. I'm usaully a hyper type of guy so all this 
    Death/Grunge/Soundgarden_The_World_is_going_to_end_tomorrow_and_I_hate
    _everything_stuff doesn't really appeal to me.
     
    BTW-I never "poof" my bangs since they would stick up about 15 inches.
    In other words....I have no bangs, per say.
    
                Friz
    

    poof your bangs!........oo er thats getting personal!  8)
    
    
    
    
                                                  Staynz

    "Look what the cat dragged in" and the 2nd album are really good. It`s
    when they toned down their image and wrote sensityve songs about their
    girlfriends that they got boring.
    

    Friz ain't got no bangs, he's got this frazzled stuff that just sorta
    does what it wants. At least it seemed to last time I saw him. 

    Frazzled? Sha! Where you been man? 
    
     Friz
    

    That's right, Jess.  The word is "fried".  Where *have* you been?  

    And all that FRIED hair of Friz' can be found in the drain of his
    shower, where he seems to live so frequently!

    When he's not hurlin after riding the Fly-O-Plane...

    HEY! HEY! Get off ....Leave me alone. Sniff...sniff....
    
          Friz
    

>  -< My hair is cool..... >-
    
    Even if you are getting extensions, right?
    
    gh

> Even if you are getting extensions, right?   
    
     Sha...NEVER!
    
            Friz
    

    Friz needs extensions as he's going bald from all that fried hair!

    Dude...NO WAY! Now you're just trying to make me mad. 8)
    
     Friz
    

>    Friz needs extensions as he's going bald from all that fried hair!
    
    Fried hair IS toxic, you know!
    
    gh

Friz for Hairclub president!!!  8*)

Jmystr

    And he's not just the *President* of the Hair Club for Men...
    
    ;^)

    
    
    
    Hehehe... that reminds me.. about a year ago, my singer and I both
    got a video tape in the mail 'How to cope with your hair loss'... 
    
    Never did find out who sent it to us!!! :')

    
    A bunch of make up wearin posers...
    
    Get a life !!!
    

	Ohmigod!  Last night was the best night of my life!

	I started the night as I normally do, getting all dressed
	up in my nylons, mini-skirt, high heels and such.  I was just
	finishing putting on my makeup, when I heard that MTV was going
	to be playing the BRAND NEW Poison Video!!!  I was way psyched!

	I ran into the bathroom, and hurried on my blush, lipstick and
	hairspray.  I ran to the livingroom to get ready for Bret and
	the boys!!!  When the video came on I started swooning all over
	the livingroom, and when I saw Bret with his shirt off, I almost
	passed out.  What a wonderful song, with them big men playing
	those instruments.  They are so cool, and so origional, they had
	a soulful choir singing backup vocals!!  A novel idea!!!!

	I can't wait for the tape to come out!!!! 


						Frizypooh


	Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

	hehehehehehe!!!!! ;)

    
    Seth, 
    
    I seriously recommend a therapist.
    
    

    
    "Honey, someone left the closet doors open again..."

    You big girlie blouse!

	Hehehehehe!!!  What a BAD song that was!! BLECK!

    I Saw the Vidio for the new song Called"Stand" Lasted_Nite...
    Man,These guys will try Any_Thing.I mean I Usually Applaud that
    Some Bands will try Some_Thing Musically Different from their
    Usual Genre,But I Don't think These guys should try"Gospal"
    The song Ain't bad but I think The Black_Crows are more suited
    for this Kindda Material.Who's the new Guitarist?I forget...
    He does a Suit_Able Little solo.The Bassist Grew a Beard.
    Well,I'm tryin to be nice here..but this Vidio caused me to
    create a new Yellow_Stain in My Long_Johns.
    
               Crazy_I_Hate_That_Al
    

    The guitarist is Richie Kotzen.
    
    -tony

    He`s a good looking lad isn`t he?
    

    I heard this song last night -- BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrr
    
    I mean, Poison's songs stink, but this is without a doubt the WORST
    Poison song I have EVER heard out of the whole lot!!  Simply awful!

    Maybe they need to rectify their differences with CC...

    
    
     While channel surfing last night, I caught the new vid about half way
    through. I didn't do anything for me. Of course Poison never did any
    thing for me anyway. 8^)
    
                                                mike
    

    Woah Mike, you really lucked out!
    
    I mean...you could have had to see the whole thing!
    
    gh

    Re:gh        Gettin Back With CC wouldn't Help.
              Be_Sides,Didn't Poison_Haters put up with Enuff of that 
              Combo??
    
              Crazy_At_least_They_Lost_Their_Make_Up_Al

    
    Re Greg.
    
     I guess I was lucky, it wouldn't break my heart not to see the entire
    vid.
    
     One thing that I picked up on while watching it. Is it just me or was
    the singer striking poses like Diamond Dave used to do? I sure picked
    up on it.
    
                mike
    
    

    I heard another new Poison song on the radio (not that wretched "Stand"
    thing, I'd have instantly changed the station) last night.  Perhaps it
    was just my mood and my opinion will change when I hear it again, but I
    actually sorta liked it.  It wasn't your standard pop-metal stuff,
    seemed strange and different for them.  I'd be willin to give that song
    a second chance.
    
    'Course perhaps the reason I liked it was 'cause I was singin "Tommy
    The Cat" at the same time, I donno...
    
    gh

Greg,

Aren't you the one who said he liked Ride the Wind until you realized who
did it?  I have a memory like a steel trap so own up...

Tim

    Yeah, that's right, it was me.  Actually, I still kinda like "Ride The
    Wind", it doesn't sound like the rest of their stuff to my ear.
    
    gh

>  I have a memory like a steel trap so own up...
    
 are you didn't mean to say mouse trap?!? :))
                                             Rat

	.....in the dead of the night... Although we both lie
	close together we feel miles apart in side, was it something
	I said or something I did... Did my words not come out right.
	Though I tried not to hurt you.....Though I tried, but I guess
	that's why they say....Every rose has its thorns.... Just like
	every night has it dawn... Just like every Cowbody sing the
	same sad song, every rose has it thorns......it does...


							-Poseypooh!

    
    I grab my hat and I grab my shoes
    tonight I'm gonna hit the streets and cruise
    down to main street and check it out
    see if the school boys are hangin about
    
    I'm not looking for a pretty face
    don't care if he's leather or lace
    cuz all I'm lookin's for a little kiss
    
    I want action tonight
    Satisfaction alright!
    

    
    Your mama don't dance and your daddy don't rock n' roll.
    
    

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
    
    Will it ever END?????!!

    another one!!

    Kotzen has left Poison due to musical differences and apparantly CC is
    rejoining the band.
    
    -Tony

    
    
    
    Gee, now they'll really take off...

>    Kotzen has left Poison due to musical differences and apparantly CC is
>    rejoining the band.
 
    Waaaahahaha!!!  Guess they won't be playing any of the songs Kotzen
    played on when they tour in the future, huh?
    
    gh

    my,how nice! 
    
    
    

    Looks like the last album (Poison's best ever release imho) will have
    to be written off coz there's NO WAY CC will be able to play the stuff.
    
    -Tony (Imagine him doing Ritchies acoustical thing) 8^)

    "Musical differences" == Kotzen wanted to do music, the other guys
    	just wanted to keep making money.

   "Musical differences" == Kotzen wanted to do music, the other guys
wanted to be different

    "Musical Differences"==Kotzen just wanted to Pose,the other guys
    were Better at it then him.
    

    
    More like Kotzen kept using Bret's hairspray.
    
    -Tony

    
    It's been awhile since anything has been entered into this note.
    Probably because most folks don't care for this group, but my friend is
    a big fan and always asks me if I've heard anything new about the
    group. So has anyone got any new info on the group.
    
    Just curious, Tony

    Brett has broken up with his girlfriend...other than that..nothin to
    report!
    
    
    
    
    							ian

    Now there's a band that should go head-to-head with
    "Days of Our Lives".
    
    Kev --
    

    I Think A Few_Members are Indorsin A Lip_Stick Company and CC is Pushin
    A_New Hair_Colorin Organization...
    
      Crazy_Info_Not_Confirmed_Al
    

    
    
    
    Isn't Brett (the lucky bastard) going out with the blond chick from
    Baywatch?

    
    
    	He was.  But according to one of those tabloids, he broke
    	up with her after she had this hot and steamy scene for
    	Baywatch.  I guess she was dating one of her costars before
    	seeing Brett and now those two characters are a couple on
    	the show.  Brett didn't like that much.....
    

    
    
    
    	He has to be the BIGGEST idiot on the planet.. 

    ...maybe his hair is growing IN, instead of out................../k
    

    
    
    
    
    could be!

    she has false breasts and dyes her hair!
    
    
    
    
    
    ...and so does the woman from Baywatch! 8)
    
    
    

    Is this the one who used to be on Charles In Charge?
    (Schwing! Yo-di-Yo-di-Yo-di-Yo-di-Yo-di!)

    We Must be Talkin about Pamala AnderSon.
    
    Major_SwInggggggggggggggggggggggggg
    
     Crazy_Good_One_Ian_Al
    

    
    	I figured it was Erika Eleniak.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    
    The one from CiC is nice, but the other one is UNBELIEVABLE..
    
    

    
    he was seeing PDA, but i heard she dumped him on some tabloid tv show
    :')
    

    Charlie Sheen and Poison singer Bret Michaels have created a production
    company for film and music artists. Michaels is completing a movie titled, 
    A Letter From Death Row. He wrote, co-directed, and stars in the film 
    which includes a cameo scene with Sheen and his dad, Martin.

    
    won't Poison *ever* go away!
    
    
    
    
    					ian

    
    	Monday afternoon I was thinking, "Hmmm, I haven't listened to
    	any Poison for awhile ... I think it's about time to hear
    	"Flesh and Blood" very soon".
    

    The only time I want to hear Poison mentioned in this conference is
    when one of the bastards die.

      I take it you don't like them?
    
    -BG

    
    	RE: ::EPPERSON
    
    	The same thing could be said about you.
    

And it can be arranged for a nominal fee so shutup...

    But, lucky for you Labounty, you get to hear my opinions everyday.
    I only have to hear some poor lipstick wearing freaks moaning about
    Poison and other sucky ass bands once or twice a week. Which is way
    more than enough. It`s almost sickening. I don`t know why I even
    take part in this conference. Where are the metal fans.

    
    	Eesh.  Pete Cook ... is that you in disguise??
    
    	You can always start your own HEAVY_METAL conference if you
    	want, to talk about REAL metal.  Not sure what you'd call it
    	to separate it from this 1, though ... does anyone have any
    	ideas?
    
    	8^)
    

      How about Anti-social Metalists?
    
    -BG

I don't know why you're here either.  don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    EPPERSON and his five bands

    see ya
    
    -BG

         Poison?!? What kind of a sick, pathetic loser would..... aw, I
    give up. 

    It's probrobly safer that way.
    
    -BG

    re: 503
    
    How bout
    
    Narrow Minded LOSER Metal!
    
    That pretty much sums up the contributors......
    
    Paully 8)
    

    re -1
    ..and you'd be the first to note.

    OUCH!
    
    Paully 8)
    

    Death, speed, and other metal crap you can't freakin' make heads or
    tails of SUCK!!!
    
    A bunch of no talent, screaming into the mic, had a piss filled
    childhood, but now I'm as tough as nails, singin' bout stepping
    on small woodland creatures and other unmentionables...
    
    Yeah that's real tough there guys!
    
    Any flippin' idiot can pick up a guitar, drums or mic and sing that
    crap!     Which reminds me...do you putz' belong in a little band
    together?
    
    	J

    A bit critical aren't we?
    
    no
    
    -BG

    re .513
    
    It's obvious your not a musician.
    -ss

    RE:  ss
    
    WRONG!   Thanks for playing though!!!
    
    

    re -1
    
    Good point!  I never would have thought.
    -ss