Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    	   Well, okay... so maybe YOU don't consider them heavy
    	metal.  I don't really know how to classify them, to be
    	honest... I just know I like'em.  I liked 'em so much I
    	bought several of their albums three times, and used to
    	keep the Dark Side Of The Moon picture disk on my turntable
    	at all times (though I never played it because a bubble
    	in the surface made it skip a lot).
    
    	   I can't list the entire discology... I only really
    	loved two of the albums (it shouldn't be too hard to
    	guess what the second one is).  But those two albums
    	were classics!  
    
    	   When I first saw The Wall (the movie), I thought 
    	"Damn, they screwed up every song on the album, except
    	for the ones they left out!"  Of course, about the sixth
    	time I saw the movie I started getting into it.  You have
    	to be in the right frame of mind to really appreciate 
    	Pink... 
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(pusher of Pink)

    re: frame of mind to enjoy "the Wall"
    
    ...yeah, wasted!
    
    
    I liked the movie a lot. (And I wasn't wasted!)
    
    /Motorbreath ...not a big "PINK" fan, but I still like them enough
    to own a couple albums.
    
    Hope you had a good M day weekend!

    
    Let's face it Pink Floyd is not HM.  They are a theme band (i.e.
    Mood Music).  I have yet to find a group that can enhance my mood
    no matter what mood I'm in.  An album for every mood.  No you don't
    have to be wasted to get off on Floyd....Next time you've had a
    hard day put on "Wish You Were Here" and chill out.
    

    
    	   You know what always pumped my nads about the Welk show?
    	It was the bubles (of course).  Yeah, they little bubbles made
    	even LW look great, standing their pointlessly waving the 
    	little baton...
    
    		"A-one, a-two..."
    
    	   And the french horns would start in on yet another classic
    	rendition of 'Fir Elise' or 'Chopsticks'.  Truely an amazing
    	show.  And who were those female soloists!  Mama-mea, did you
    	get a look at them yabos?  Oh sure, they were tightly bound
    	in an elegant blue dress (low cut), surging and thrusting
    	every time she inhaled or hit a really high note!  Whew!
    	It was more than my thirteen-year-old body could handle.
    
    	   Yesy, indeed Lawrence Welk is god, but he only gets a
    	lowercase 'g'.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(memories of days gone by)

    
    RE. -.1
    
    	Huh???  I thought this was the Pink Floyd note.  :-)
                                                            
    So, what is everybody's favorite P-Floyd tune?
    
        I guess I'll start.  'The Trial' -- The Wall.  And special mention
    to 'Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in
    A Cave And Grooving With A Pict'.
    
    
    						The Pizza Guy    <)

    
    
    	Fave PFloyd tune?
    
    	Hey You....it's got (sigh..) sentimental value.
    
    
    	I always find Pink Floyd a good band to think to.  Alot of
    	things that are weighing me down?  I'll put on  The Wall 
    	and just sit back and actually do some real heavy thinking.
   
   
    	/kimster
    

    My Fav. PFoyd tune has got to be:
    
    Welcome To The Machine offa Wish You You Here..
    
    I like Gimme Back My Desert too...
    
    jc

                Who's Pink Floyd???
                
                ;'}
                
                

    
    Either your joking or you've been asleep for the last decade or
    so.
    
    Where did you think that your node name came from ?
    
    What else can PFLOYD mean ?
    
    Andy / Run,
           Rabbit run,
    	   Dig that hole against sun,
    	   When at last the work is done,
    	   Don't sit down it's time to dig another one /
    
    Life on the Dark Side

    
    Well.. my fave song (and I am a BIG fan...).. that's a hard question..
    I think it would have to be The Gunner's Dream... and I LOVE the
    WHOLE Roger Waters' album Pros & Cons Of Hitchhiking (now there's
    a girl for you guys... right on the cover of the album is a girl
    with an absolutely *perfect* body..)
    
    The music is unlike anything else.. and back in the old days it
    was great to take some good ol vitamin A and listen to Animals..
    the ULTIMATE!!
    
    

    Does any know of Pink Floyd: The Wall -- the book?  At the end of
    the credits in The Wall it says something about a book.  Is this
    true or are they pulling my leg?
    

    Yes there is a book I got the book it is very interesting I got
    mine at newbury comics..............
    
    
    

    Did any of you pick up the new Double Live Album/Tape/CD called
    "Delicate Sound of Thunder"?
    
    I did, and I'm I glad!  This album is EVERYTHING that I could ever
    ask for in a Live Floyd album.  Incredible sound (DDD), great sound
    effects.  The Band was super!  Total time of over 100 minutes!
    
    Let's see, I could have listend to it about 57 times this weekend.
    Yup, pretty close!  I had my CD player (sony Carousel) set to replay
    the 2 discs over and over again for about 2 days.  I listend to
    it in my sleep.
    
    The First disc starts out with a 10+ minute version of Shine on
    you crazy Diamond, and then has 6 songs from "A Momentary Lapse
    of Reason" including "learning to Fly", "The Dogs of War", "on the
    Turning Away", "Sorrow" and more
    
    The Second Disc starts out with "One of these Days."  I could almost
    see the PIG floating over my bedroom. "one of these days, I'm going
    to cut you into little pieces"
    
    There are 7 more songs on this disc including: Wish you Were here,
    Money, Time, Us and Them(disc and tape only), Another brick in the
    Wall pt. II, and closing with Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell.
    
    The album really captures the pink floyd live experience very well,
    but nothing will ever match actually being there.  
    
    Also included is a very thick booklet with pictures of the stage
    and various other things.
    
    Great Album!
    
    Steve O

    
    
      Yes it is very good! The songs are in the same order as the
    concert was. I'd like to see the video. Anyone seen it yet?
                                                                mike
    

    Woa, Has the Video been released yet?  Gotta get to the Strawberries
    and get it if it has!
    
    I thought that they were going to release a special on HBO and then
    release the video cassette.  Sounds like a pretty dumb idea to me.
    (Get HBO, tape the special, save forty bucks)
    
    Steve O

    
    Out of curiosity . . . are 2 CD's necessary?  How much info can
    one CD hold?  I would imagine quite a bit.  Is this a thing companies
    do to get more $$$ or do you really need 2 CD's?
    
    - Rob
    
    

    
    Yup!!
    
    I have a CD with six tracks on, and its only about 1.5 inches wide!!!
    
    (O.k, so I haven't got a CD *player*, but I have the CD!!) ;-)

    re .20
    
    Yes, for this album it is necessary.  100+ minutes of music.  Pink
    Floyd isn't know for holding anything back.  When they do it, they
    do it right!
    
    As for the money, Releasing a double Disc set is the last thing
    the record company wants to do. (It's also double album and double
    tape)  Doing what they did really brings sales down. ($22+ for the
    disc)  The Record Company probably urged them to cut out a few songs
    and to bring it down to 74min (the Normal Max for CD time)
    
    Some Independent CD companies have developed a process by which
    they can fit 80min on a CD, but it's about a buck more expensive
    to manufacture, resulting in $4 - $5 more for consumers.
    
    The Total time of "THE WALL" is about 78 or so minutes, thus requireing
    more than one disc (Major Companies don't like to use the new process
    because not ALL disc players will play the disc)
    
    Well there you have it.
    
    Steve O

    Hi fans !
    
    I wonder if anybody knows details about concerts of Pink Floyd this
    summer. I heard they are going to play in Paris on the 1st July and
    I'd sure like to see them but I wonder if they are doing a tour
    in Europe and if so, where else are they going to play ?
    And, is it true they are playing in Paris ?!
    Somebody give me some reliable info so I know where to book my
    holidays...                                
    
    Bye now,
    
    KKK
             
    
    
    
    
    

    
    They are playing the Docklands here in merry ol' England either
    in June or July (I forget which) and I am getting tix verrrrrry
    soon. 
    
    Should be a killer show.

    So there I was last night in my favorite CD store scoping out what I
    should spend my money on next when lo-and-behold!  Is this possible?!
    Here, right before my eyes is a new release by SYD BARRETT called
    'Opel'!!  Every song written by Syd Barrett (one was co-written) and
    the album being PRODUCED by Syd Berrett!!!!!  My mind quickly starts
    flying back to the days of "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn".  Yes,
    1967, I was four years old then, acid trips were my thing but I still
    had trouble understanding the 'Piper' album.  Could it be possible this
    is actually the same, the one and only, PINK FLOYD ORIGINAL Syd
    Berrett?  I quickly turn to the cute little zitty babe at the cash
    register and question her about it.  Of course she was just a splat on
    the wall back then and is just now learning what 'tie-dye' is.  "Thanks
    for the help honey" and off I went to pull out my 'Piper' album. 
    
    Now for those of you who weren't even born back then, the story is that
    our friend Syd was extremely into the drug scene and ended up having to
    leave the band to Roger Waters, Rick Wright, and "Nicky" Mason.  Almost
    immediately, Roger Waters pulled David Gilmour in as lead guitarist and
    the rest is well known history.  In an interview (August??  Playboy or
    Penthouse, 1988) with Roger Waters, Roger stated that nobody from the
    band ever saw Syd after that.  Stories were that he had gone into the
    dumps with drugs.  One day when the band was recording ('Animals' I think
    it was) some fat balding man came in and watched for a bit and left. 
    The band members later found out that it was actually Syd.  Not a
    single one of them had recognized him!!  He was never seen since then.
    
    Could it be that Syd had been collecting mega-royalties ever since then
    and now has cleaned up his act and opened his own production company? 
    The name spelling 'Syd Berrett' is the same as on the 'Piper' album but
    the picture of the person on the 'Opel' album didn't look like any
    fat, balding man.  But what are the chances of a musician having the
    same name as the original Syd and also having enough money to start his
    own production company??  Interesting.
    
    Maybe I'll just buy that 'Opel' album and see if I can understand it. 
    If I can't then I'll know it's our old friend Syd Barrett.  If it is,
    and I hope it is, my hat is off to him for his return to the music
    world!!
    
    Hammer. 

    Last I heard of Barrett, he was relaxing in a rubber room somewhere
    in Britain, courtesy of Her Majesty.
    
    Then again, maybe he's gotten it together again.  It'd be a nice
    change from the current Watered-down Pink Floyd. :-)
    
    

    As far as I know, 'Opel' was released a long long time ago by Syd
    Barrett (the very same one as was in the Floyd). Perhaps its just
    been released on CD? 

    
    The way I understand it, the "Opel" album is a compilation of Syd's
    songs that didn't make it onto his other solo albums.
    I think that some of the songs may from sessions recorded for the
    radio, but don't quote me. I have heard a track called Opel before.
    
    As for the remaining Floyd members never having seen Barrett again,
    didn't Roger Waters help produce "The Madcap Laughs"?
    
    Or did I dream it?
    
    Paul the Contractor
    -------------------
    
    ...who lent his Syd Barret records to someone three years ago and
    still hasn't got them back so he can't check his facts!

    I heard that either Waters or Gilmore is going to rerecord The Wall.
    
    I wish I could remember wich one they said but I caught it as I
    scanned the stations on my radio.
    
    

    
    It's Waters.  He'd also like to do a show in Berlin that climaxes
    with the blowing up of part of the Berlin Wall.  He doesn't want
    the rest of PF to be part of any of it.
    
SEAN/BEER=LABATTS

    Why on earth would he want to re-record it???  The first one is a
    classic.
    
    Sounds like ole Rogers ego is inflating through the sky.  He's probably
    gone up about 4 hat sizes...
    
    gh

I heard the interview where he discussed the issue. It was on a sindicated 
show called "In The Studio", where they have a one-on-one intervioew with a 
band member, discussing the making of a classic album (ie. Waters talking 
about the 'The Wall', Clapton about 'Derek and the Dominoes', Don Henley about 
'Hotel California', etc.).

Anyways - Waters did *not* say that he wants to re-record 'The Wall' album. 
Just that he thought it would be appropriate to perform it again in front of 
the Berlin Wall. And for the event, he would rewrite some of the lyrics to the 
songs, and add new ones.

I dunno whether it would ever happen, but it would certainly make a trip to 
Germany look real appealing!!! What a vacation!!!

cat

    
    
    Did anyone hear about the gig Pink Floyd did in Venice, Italy last
    night?  They played on a stage that floated in the water... the
    Italian gov't didn't want them playing in an arena because they
    were afraid that they might shake some buildings.  The concert was
    broadcasted in 30 countries (or something like that) and I think
    they drew 200,000.
    
    jab

    
    
    	So I guess it DID happen, eh?!  I had heard the same thing
    	about the government banning it.  They were afraid the
    	loudness would ruin alot of the buildings there...
    
    	Then I heard them mention that they were going to put some
    	kind of buffers to absorb the sound....Must've worked.
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    Kind of on the same subject, does anyone know where I can obtain a copy
    of Pink Floyd's "In The Eye of The Realm" video????????????????????????
    
    Hammer_who_has_been_looking_for_YEARS_AND_YEARS_for_a_copy!!

    re: PF Venice show
    
    I heard they had to keep the volume down to 60 dbs!  Geez, talk about
    paranoid, that's just over a whisper...
    
    gh

                That's impossible since normal room level is only
                a bit over  70db!    A car at 50mph is about 90db
                and an average digital cubicle is 80db.
                
                - rob -
                
                and ps buck, i  apologize  about  the  who  thing
                since that was taken at  something like 50 or 100
                yards away.
                
                

    Yeah, I question the 60db thing too...I mean, a crowd of people talking
    (like at a small party) is around 80dbs, so I imagine that the concert
    crowd noise would be much louder than the music...no way. 

    Yeah, like I said, around a whisper...

    I don't know what it really was, but I'm quite sure that I heard 60db
    and was thinking that was ridiculous.

    gh

    The only reason why I  would think Waters would want to rerecord
    The Wall is to get the thing Digitally Recorded as well as Mastered
    and Mixed....
    
    The Joker
    

	I've heard that the concert transformed Venise into a big trash can.
Nothing was prepared for people to sleep there, no toilets and all. Even the
maire of the city has trouble with the population, and he may have to resign.

I'm wondering who found this stupid idea of having a rock concert in such a 
place ?

	Didier
 

    If you saw Floyd's "In the Eye of The Realm" video you'd see why.
    
    Hammer_who_still_can't_find_a_copy_of_it

>    If you saw Floyd's "In the Eye of The Realm" video you'd see why.

	I'm pretty sure I won't see it, so tell me more :-)

	Didier

    The video is actually a movie Floyd did back in their Animals and Dark
    Side days (when Roger was around - you remember REAL Pink Floyd?).  It
    was filmed in Pompei (SP?).  Without a doubt an awesome flick.  It
    starts out with two of the members (I forget who because I saw it once
    about seven years ago) carrying an enourmous gong out into the middle
    of some ancient arena (like where they used to fight lions, etc). 
    Throughout the movie they toured the area and interviewed the 'gang'. 
    But they were heavily into the scenic viewing and really put it to use.
    I would never have believed they would ever do a concert in such an
    area but they did.  Maybe (or should I say 'hopefully') Floyd is now
    trying to get back to their roots and redo such things only in a
    different area and with more up-to-date equipment.  If you ever have
    the chance to see the movie DON'T HESITATE TO GO!!!
    
    Hammer. 

"In the Eye of the Realm" ??  No wonder I've never heard of it - its actually
entitled "Live at Pompeii", and it is available on videocassette. Just rent it 
sometime!

BTW - it was pretty interesting, but I could do without the half-hour version 
of "Echoes". Zzzzzzz.......

cat

    The original movie was entitled "In The Eye of The Realm" but if
    they've renamed it for video then that explains why I've never been
    able to find it!  I thought the Echoes part was the best part!  Of
    course, I was a bit zoomed at the time.  Thanks for letting me know
    it's out there.  Now I'll have to hit a few stores on the way home...
    
    Hammer.

	Oh yeah I've seen this Live in Pompei. But see, the story is that Pink
Floyd ask for a concert in the pompei ruins, and they got the answer Yes but
with NO audience at all. This is what makes this live tape funny. They just 
play for the ruins. It's a good video. But I doubted they damage the ruins 
like they damage Venice.

	BTW : The french TV played 2 days ago "Pink Floyd live in Venice". I 
didn't find it that good. It's a bit melo. I noticed that when Gilmour sings
a song, the guitar parts are backed up by a guy behind him. It look like he 
does not like to do both singing and guitar. They had a second drummer/percusion
jumping all the time and kind of ridiculous that was covering almost all the 
normal drumming, bizare.

	Didier  

    Ya, that's the NEW (puke!) Floyd.  Since Waters left they've added a
    lot of younger players.  I imagine that's so someone will still be able
    to carry on after Gilmour, Mason, and Wright make a few million more
    and retire.  Gilmour never was much of a singer so he needs people to
    back up his guitar work.  Mason still is a great drummer, and Wright is
    still the great key-man but they're all slowing down quite a bit.
    
    Oh, and now that you mention it, I do remember no audience in that
    movie.  Strange.  It was still pretty good.
    
    Hammer_who_wishes_Roger_Waters_would_get_his_sh*t_back_together_and
    	_put_out_a_REAL_album!!

    To all you Floydies out there...
    
    Have you got any bootlegs ??? (to the innocent - unreleased live tapes)
    
    I've got some really good ones (from miles back to present day)
    
    (I don't want to raise your hopes up too much by telling you I've got
    one that you haven't, and then find out I was wrong, so I'll only tell
    you the ones I know)
    
    I have got...
    
    Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother goes on the road 
    ""   ""    - Alan's Psychedelic breakfast Live in sheffield
    ""   ""    - Loads of stuff from the latest tour
    + loads more....
	
    Roger Waters - Radio KAOS live
    ""    ""     - Pro's and con's of hitchhiking live
    
    So leave a note of yours, and I'll get a decent list tomorrow 
    
    Andy...
    

    
    
    I definitely have a few you might be interested in, even a copy of the
    Animals Album before it was Animals, definitely a collector's item! I
    have Crackers, and Ivor Wyne, and a couple of Wall Live albums, and a
    single off Radio Chaos that was unreleased in this country, and a whole
    pile of other stuff.. i'll get up a list and post it here.
    
    - Ang.
    

   Good grief, here we are at over 50 replies to this topic and nobody has
   done a disology of PFs albums yet.  I have nearly all the early Ffloyd
   albums, though I stopped buying them after Animals because I really
   hated it so much that it put me right off them.  Thus, this discology
   only takes you up to The Wall and no further.  I may also have the
   sequence slightly mixed up as I think this is how I bought them rather
   than the sequence they were released.

       Piper at the Gates of Dawn
       Soundtrack from the Film MORE
       Relics (or A Collection of Antiques and Curios)
       Obscured by Clouds
       Umma Gumma 
       Atom Heart Mother
       Meddle
       Dark Side of the Moon
       Wish You Were Here
       Animals
       The Wall
       A Collection of Dance Songs

  Can anyone add to this?

  Oh, by the way a Deccie friend of mine is going to watch Roger Waters demolish
  the rest of the Berlin Wall this weekend so I shall ask him to provide a 
  report on it for all you ffantatics out there.  I already hacked my own
  chunk out of the wall this year for posterity and can tell you that there is
  not much of it left to blow up.



    GAZ

    
    After the Wall came...
    
    	The Final Cut
    	Pros & Cons Of Hitchhiking - Roger Waters
    	Radio Chaos - Roger Waters
    	??????? - 1st album by "David Gilmour Band" 
    	Delicate Sound Of Thunder - "David Gilmour Band"
    
    Also, there are a lot of albums that are imports and bootlegs. I don't
    have a list of them all but some are:
    
    	Crackers
    	Ivor Wyne
    	WallLive
    	Roger
    	Wall Soundtrack (different than album)
    	Chaos Live
    
    and before they called themselves Floyd they released albums under
    the names The Intellectual Architects, and Meggadeths.
    
    	Also, there are a few more i cannot remember the names of. I'll
     	have to look them up, and a Roger Waters album called Music From
    	The Body that is really strange. 
    
    

>    	??????? - 1st album by "David Gilmour Band" 

There are two solo Gilmour albums - 'David Gilmour' and 'About Face'.

alan

    re: -1
    
    	by "The David Gilmour Band" i meant the *new* Floyd with
     	no Roger Waters... i won't go into my opinion of the band
    	though...
    

    >    	??????? - 1st album by "David Gilmour Band" 
    
    You must mean A Momentary Lapse of Reason?

    
    That was it!!!  I feel so stupid....
    
    

    RE: .50 (mine) and .51 ....
    
    My list of Floyd bootlegs and the like....
    
    Pink Floyd - Delicate Cry of Ottowa     	 9/ 9/87   90+60
               - 'Crackers' Hollywood bowl  	22/11/72   90+60
    	       - ... And the Walls came Down    ????????   90+60
    	       - 'Wish the Animals were here'   23/ 1/77   45 mins.
    	       - Atom Heart Mother goes on the   3/10/71   90+60  Excellent
    		 Road, Paris theatre London
               - Alan's Psychedelic Bfast.      ????????   45 mins.
    	       - Live at Anaheim Stadium        ??/??/77   90
    
    Roger Waters - KAOS Wembley arena		22/11/87   90+90
    		 - Radio City (New York)        20/ 7/85   45 mins Excellent
    		 - Earls Court			21/6/84    60+60
    
    
    Also, I have got both the Dave Gilmour Albums, the 'Music from the
    body' album (Love the 1st. song !!), I can get (but don't want) the
    Mason + Fenn Album (profiles).
    
    I would be grateful if any of you have got any other of the solo
    albums, to leave a note, maybe we can swap some...
    
    
    Also, My mate has got Millions of Bootlegs, and if you wanted something
    really rare, I'm sure he would know about it...
    
    I.e. Dave Gilmour live in Norway playing solo stuff.
         Recordings of some of the interviews made with people, from which
         snippets were taken for use on the 'Dark Side...' Album.
         Eg. The 'Short Sharp Shock' guy telling us the story..Interesting.
    
    Andy.
    
    Come in Number .51, your time is up... (get the reference ?)....
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    (oh yeah, could .51 (dont know the name, sorry) do out the list please)
    
    
    	Andy.

      I didn't see the Nice Pair album mentioned. I think it is the live
    version of Uma Guma or maybe I have it backwards and it is the studio
    version. Whichever I have the album.
    						The KER
    

    
    Did anybody watch the live broadcast of The Wall, performed on the
    Berlin Wall in Germany? 600ft inflateable pigs, et al.
    
    FLip

    Re. FLip
    
    I watched (and recorded) the show from Holland television (stereo). It
    was very impressing. One of the best shows I ever seen.
    It was not Pink Floyd but only Roger Waters and invited guests who all
    played "The Wall". Scorpions (opening and ending), Sinead O'Connors,
    Van Morrison, Thomas Dolby, Cindy Laupers and others were among the
    invited guests. There were also classic orchestras and chorus from
    Berlin (german and red army's). All was very well directed and sounding
    excellent. Roger Water's band, "The Bleeding Heart Band" was also very
    fine. He and his band sound like good old Pink Floyd.
    Very good guitar playing and general orchestration.
    If anyone has the occasion to see this show don't miss it ! Scorpions
    were fitting very well musically proving that "The Wall" is quite close
    to metal and is in any case heavy (and progressive).
    
    Sorin

    
    
      Well..... I listened to most of it, not all of it and was not
    impressed in the least bit with Roger Waters version of The Wall.
    For so long I've heard people say that Waters was the real force
    behind Pink Floyd, well I know from what I heard I don't think
    so! He may have co-written alot of material with Gilmore but I
    think Gilmore puts the real feeling and gives Pink Floyd their
    unique sound.
     I think this will stand as testimony to really how much he is
    and was a part of PF, not much. I have tired of hearing his whin-
    nig and bad mouthing of his past band members. I was not impressed
    at all with his version of The Wall. PF is just fine with Gilmore,
    Mason and Wright. I hope the visuals were better than the music,
    it might be the only redeeming factor.
                                            mike
    

  Re -1.  I agree with every word.  I too sat through the whole show
  live in Holland and was not at all impressed with Herr Walters
  rendition.  The best part of the show for me was Scorpions opening
  number, van Morrison and the big blow up teacher/hammer thingie.

  The collapse of the wall near the end was totally predictable and 
  added nothing to the show except to give the musicians a rest.
  The soviet band was a big let down, after all the hype beforehand.
  I suppose the atmosphere there was quite good, but I will have to
  wait for my friend to return before I can give you a report on
  that.

  By the way i missed 'Saucerful of Secrets' from the discology,
  but I don't know where it comes in.  Perhaps someone can now
  collate the several entries on this subject and produce a complete
  PF/Barret/Gilmour & Co/Walters discology.

GAZ (who has an imperfect memory)
    

>    For so long I've heard people say that Waters was the real force
>    behind Pink Floyd, well I know from what I heard I don't think
>    so! He may have co-written alot of material with Gilmore but I
>    think Gilmore puts the real feeling and gives Pink Floyd their
>    unique sound.

Waters did a lot more than co-write! He conceived, wrote and produced the 
entire Wall album! Gilmour co-wrote three songs on there, and that's it 
("Comfortably Numb", "Run Like Hell" and one more - maybe "Hey You"?). Now, I 
also prefer the new PF to Waters solo, but give Roger credit where its due - 
he was very much the visionary behind The Wall.

As to the concert, it started off pretty chaky, but sounded pretty good to me 
after Side 2 began (starting with Bryan Adams singing "Young Lust"). Didn't 
get to see it, as it wasn't on TV in the states. Can you give a listing of 
who sang what songs??? All I could tell for sure were: 

Scorpions - opening
Cindi Lauper - Another Brick In The Wall, Part 2
Joni Mitchell - Godobye Blue Sky
Bryan Adams - Young Lust
Van Morrison - Comfortably Numb

Who else sang what? thanx...

alan

    From watching "Live at Pompeii," I got the impression that Waters was
    the creative force behind them very early in the game. However, they
    really could've used Gilmore at this performance or "The Wall," IMO.
    
    I thought it was good, but what happened at the beginning? Did Van
    Morrison forget the words to "The Thin Ice"?
    And who is Van Morrison anyway? 
    ...The name rings a bell...
    
    -rt-who thinks it would've been much better with Gilmore there-

    Van Morrison:
    
    Brown Eyed Girl and a bunch of other classic songs that I can't
    think of because I'm currently being scrambled by a Public Enemy
    tape...
    
    he's Scottish, and his latest album is called Avalon Sunset.
    
    /Motorbreath

     I know Waters wrote a lot of the lyrics but, did he do most of the
    musical arrangments or was that Gilmors area. Personally it was Floyds
    music that appealed to me more so than the lyrics.
    							The KER
    

    Without the music, most of the time, the lyrics are just poetry, 
    especially in Water's depressing idea of life. But with the music, this
    can add to the lyrics, and emphasize the ideas more. Take a look at Rog's 
    solo stuff, Pro's and Con's is mega especially because of the strange
    idealism behind the album (the dreams we all have) but also because of
    the fantastic array of musicians (eg. Eric Clapton, Raphael
    Ravenscroft - sax). KAOS was a lesser album, I don't descredit that the
    lyrics are good (fantastic), but the music is not that good. (even
    though there are a few good songs - Home, the powers that be).
    Waters writes good lyrics, but he need the music to complement his
    lyrics, and Gilmore's music is the best without a doubt, unless Rog
    finds a band as good as Gilmore, he cannot hope to regain the success
    of his earlier days.
    
    	   Andy.
    

re: .67 and .68

>    Waters writes good lyrics, but he need the music to complement his
>    lyrics, and Gilmore's music is the best without a doubt, 

Read what I wrote a couple replies ago - Gilmour did NOT write the lyrics OR 
the music - he only co-wrote three songs, and everything else was Waters 
(lyrics and music!).

Now, I don't intend to discount Gilmours influence in the music - but just give 
Roger some credit - it wasn't like Gilmour was his saviour or anything

BTW - the three songs on The Wall that Gilmour co-wrote were "Young Lust", 
"Comortably Numb" and "Run Like Hell". Everything else was totally written 
by Waters. 

On 'The Final Cut', Waters wrote all the music and words, all solo.

On 'Wish You Were Here', Waters wrote or co-wrote all the songs, and Gilmour
co-wrote "Wish You Were Here" and parts of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".

alan

    I was talking generally, not just 'The Wall'. Taking a look at the
    other albums, Ok, Roger had an influence in the music, but show me a
    band where someone does not have any influence over the others...
    
    Also, considering Floyds recent material, compared to Rogers, then
    (personally) I prefer Gilmore's stuff. This is my own opinion, anyway,
    and so what, it's our taste in music, whatever it is....
    
    	Andy.
    

    
    Re: a couple back,
    
      Most anyone will tell you the most popular and remembered songs
    on The Wall ARE Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell.
    
                                                        mike
    
    
    
    

re: .70

>    I was talking generally, not just 'The Wall'. Taking a look at the
>    other albums, Ok, Roger had an influence in the music, but show me a
>    band where someone does not have any influence over the others...

Well, agreed that Roger had more influence on 'The Wall', but note the other 
albums I listed were also mostly Roger. And keep in mind that is their entire 
catalog (pre-breakup) since 1971, so that's the majority of their career.

>    Also, considering Floyds recent material, compared to Rogers, then
>    (personally) I prefer Gilmore's stuff. 

I totally agree! I love the post-breakup Floyd, but don't even own the solo 
Waters albums - they s*ck! But that doesn't downplay Waters greatness when he 
was in Floyd....

re: .71

>      Most anyone will tell you the most popular and remembered songs
>     on The Wall ARE Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell.

Partially true - these are the most popular, along with "Another Brick In The 
Wall, Part 2" and "Hey You". But for the most part, 'The Wall' is meant to be 
taken as a whole, not just a collection of songs, so it doesn't really matter 
to me what was most popular with radio. I don't think I ever put on just one 
song from that album - I have to listen to the whole thing, with all the segues 
and everything - its much more complete that way to me!

alan

    Yeah, Waters was great,with pre-break-up Floyd, Most of my favourite
    albums are of that era (even though there is not a lot else !!).
    
    But, working with Floyd, Waters had a supreme greatness which he cannot
    quite regain in his solo material, which is a pity, as the pro's and
    con's is a glimpse at his post-Floyd genius, which was sadly lacking in
    KAOS.
    
    	Andy.
    

    I borrowed the "Delicate Sound of Thunder" concert video from a
    co-worker last night.  This concert video blew me away (of course it
    helps when you VCR runs through your stereo and you crank it ;-)).
    
    This has to be one of the best all-around, most professionally done
    concert tape I've ever seen.  Gilmour is one of my favorite "slow
    burners".
    
    The guitar players were armed to the teeth in Mesa/Boogie amps and
    preamps.  Gilmour played a Fender Strat for all songs but 2.  He (and
    the other guy) used Takamine acoustics on "Wish You Were Here" and he
    also switched to a Tele for "Run Like Hell".
    
    What other concert videos out there have the quality of this one?  Some
    are sort of boring and couldn't be watched very many times (Bon Jovi's
    Tokyo Road comes to mind).
    
    Mike
    
    

    
    Triumph has excellent shows.
    
    SoHong

    Triumph HAD excellent shows...
    
    WC

    I got to watch/listen to the "Delicate Sound of Thunder" video tape
    yesterday morning. Warmed the stereo up popped in the cassette and let
    it fly. I have never seen PF, although I would love too, let alone an
    hour video of them. I thought it was great. I have always enjoyed
    Gilmour's playing and the video was nothing to be disappointed in. As a
    matter of fact I thought they did fine without Waters. Question, Has
    Floyd always used two drummer or was it just for that concert/video?
    
    				The KER(who wishes floyd would do one more
    show in the states where I could purchase a tix)
    

     
    >KER
    
      Just one drummer. For the tour Nick Mason on drums, and a 
    percussionist that was adding fills on various percussion
    instruments. I agree with you on the vid, its got great audio
    and video. I saw the tour in '88 but didn't realize how much
    I missed until I bought the video.
                                        mike
    

    The guy running around in the cage was a percussionist.
    
    Some of my co-workers and I use that tape as a reference standard when
    checking out the latest audio/video entertainment systems.  That tape
    is a very high quality recording.
    
    Mike

    
    
       I know he's a well known performer - but I forget his name.
       Anyone remember (anyone,.,anyone...)???
    

     I heard today that they have the soundtrack out for this. Has anybody
    seen it?
    						The KER
    

    I've posted this in a few Floyd notes ...
    
    Has anyone noticed, on the Wall (It's definitely on the LP and it
    should be on the cassette and CD), that right at the very start, before
    the music, there is a voice ???
    
    and right at the end of the album, there is a voice ??
    
    and (this is the groovy bit)... if you put the
    (voice at the end of the album) before the (voice at the start of the 
    album)...
    
    ...still with me ?
    
    
    you get the message 'Isn't this where we came in?' Very profound...
    
    Now, I have noticed that there is one on Radio KAOS, but I cannot
    figure it out, I wondered if anyone has (if you have a sampler it
    would be easy to do).
    
    
    			Racking his brain,
    
    				Andy.
    			
    
    

    Floyd does a lot of stuff like that.  

    Just when I thought I'd never get through my Mettalica withdrawls,
    I went to the Pink Floyd Laser/Light show last night..........
    what a cure! It was incredible, what a rush!  It was practically a
    religous experince!!!!!! Especially with the dorky 3D glasses on!!!
    Floyd is ALL!!!!!!!
                 Just Call Me Rat

    Has anyone picked up the new Roger Waters CD called Amused To Death, I
    think it's great. It sounds like something Pink Floyd would have done
    in the early days. Jeff Beck plays guitar on What God Wants Pt.1 and
    Pt.3 and on most of the other songs. There is a jammin tune called
    The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range and some other tunes that remind me
    of some of the songs on The Final Cut. Amused To Death
    I think is the best Roger Waters solo album to date, I liked it as soon
    as I heard it. The other songs on the album are a lot better than What
    God Wants, trust me.
    
    
    Take it easy
    
    
    tj

    Well I think I'll try and get it....btw I liked What God Wants!!!
                                                                     Rat

    
    	When I first heard "What God Wants", I heard ALOT of Styx-like
    	stuff in there, from the backing vocals to the guitar work.
    
    							GTI

    
    I heard a bunch of crap.  That song is miserable.  Reminded me of Peter
    Gabriel or something.
    
    

    Obviously you people don't have a "Floyd" ear and can't appreciate the
    sarcasm in "What God Wants"!!!!
                                   Rat

    
    >> Obviously you people don't have a "Floyd" ear and can't appreciate the
    >> sarcasm in "What God Wants"!!!!
    
    	I think it is a lame song.
    
    
    
    

    
    Actually, I LOVE Floyd.  I'n fact, The Wall has been one of my most
    listened to albums the past 3 months.  However, WGW is boring, doesn't
    go anywhere, invokes no emotion....  in otherwords, nothing like Floyd.
    
    

   Not only does it evoke emotion, thought IT IS EXACTLY LIKE FLOYD.... try
    listening to earler stuff like Animals!!!!!!!!
                                                  Rat

    ANIMALS!!!!!!!
    
    AWESOME CD!!!
    
    
    -mike
    

Try listening to Piper at the Gates of Dawn...

    
    try listening to the sounds of thousands of snapping shrimp.
    
    

    Heads up, Floyd fans!
    
    
    The Floysters will be doing a BIG stadium tour this summer.  Touted as
    the biggest tour in years (since THE WALL).  Watch the listings for a
    date near you (the recent NJ shows all sold out in hours!).
    

    Yawn...do I hear very slow, plodding, dinosaur footsteps?

Heard they will release an album this spring.
Anyone heard this too?

Oetzi

    -1
    
    It would make sense if they are touring.

    
    Does Gilmour actually have any more outtakes from his solo stuff to 
    put out another PF album?
    
    - Sean

    The Album will be Re_Leased on March 27th.The title is Up_In_The_Air.
    Watch for the"Sky_Ship"Flyin over your Area.It's A Very Colorfully
    Painted Blimp.They will play Foxboro(Around May 19th_And_20th)and
    Yankee Stadium.The North_American Tour starts in Toronto at the end
    of March.Rick Wright is back Singin/Playin with The Band.The All_
    Arena Shows are Supposed to be Quite the Spectacles,useing"Gold"
    Lazers and All_Kinds_Of_Pyro_Stuff.
    
      Crazy_A_Lapse_Of_Reality_Al

I read something like 48 trucks are needed to hold the stage equipment.  I had
the chance to go see them on the Animals tour years ago.  But I had bought the
album and thought it was too boring.  It's hard to get excited about their music
although the show has enough effects I'm sure it would be amazing.

Tim

    Pink Floyd released "The Division Bell". Only Roger Waters is missing
    from the band. The album recalls mainly two older big albums from PF,
    "Wish you were here" and "The wall". Very good songs and very well
    produced and recorded. It was a really good surprise.
    Well recommended !
    
    Sorin

    The one song that's been getting airplay here sounds so much like a
    song from "The Wall" that I can't enjoy it.  Total rehash.  Perhaps the
    rest is better, but I wouldn't risk any of my money on it unless I've
    heard it first. 
    
    But...I'm sure my type opinion won't hurt their album sales any.
    
    gh

    Thank you Floyd for the nice concert in Werchter (Belgium).
    You were great.
    
    
    
                                Jopi
    

    
    you're welcome.
    
    - floyd
    

    And, by the way...which one's Pink?

    What's in a name...
    
    
    
                  Jopi
    

    Did everyone (in the UK) catch the Pink Floyd concert at Earls Court
    on TV last night?  Nothing short of amazing.  Imagine being UTI, huge
    pyros and then monster pigs coming at you, the Spitfire crashing into 
    the stage or the giant crystal ball.  The visuals fitted the music
    perfectly.  Blew my mind on TV.
    
    Now imagine if ELP had a stage show like that.....!
    
    Flip
                                        

    
    	Wouldn't it be a more enjoyable show if you weren't UTI and
    	could comprehend what was going on and remember it later on?
    
    							GTI
    

    
    Depends on who you are.  However, there was a patch of smog developing 
    in the arena so I should imagine that by the end of it, most people
    were....directly or indirectly.  
    
    Perhaps I didn't word it correctly, it should have read, imagine if
    you were one of the people who were uti and a bloody great big pig
    emerged from the wall and started flapping its tongue in your
    direction!  I think a slight paranoia attack would have crept in.
                                     
    

    
    	There was five of us inthe concert three UTI and two were sober -
    we all came to the conclusion that it didn't really matter because 
    the gig was SO good you were on a trip anyway - 
    
    
    					Stuart.

>>    Now imagine if ELP had a stage show like that.....!
    
...oh wow! Maan....heavy...they could end with simulating the effects
of a nuclear warhead hitting the stage!

 
   
                                        

    Aaaaahh...mmm...  "UTI"?

    ..well..it either meansm 'Under The Influence' or "Urinary Tract
    Infection"..............you decide......................./k

    I think I could stand to not see any shows under the condition of the
    second definition...

    especially with long lines...

    Drugs suck! Drugs are not cool!
    
    ho,ho.
    

    Anybody get 'Pulse' yet?
    The first time since '68 Astronomy Domine is released live. ( at least
    through normal means and it even sounds like the original.)
    The entire 'Dark side...' kicks although the Division Bell songs live
    aren't really that good.
    Anyone wanna speculate if another album of original material will be
    released? I think maybe one more. 

    I got it at midnight on the US release date.  I think it sounds 
    infinitely better than 'Delicate Sounds of Thunder'.  The packaging
    is fantastic.  I've seen some clips from the video, and it looks
    excellent!  I believe it was shot at the Earls Court shows, so it
    looks a bit different than it did at Foxboro.
    
    >The entire 'Dark side...' kicks although the Division Bell songs live   
    >aren't really that good.
    
    You don't think that the live version of 'High Hopes' is good?  I
    prefer it to the original!  I am a bit disappointed that they
    couldn't fit everything on the CD's, though.  The cassette version
    includes 'One of These Days', and the LP version contains 'Marooned',
    probably the best song on 'Division Bell', IMHO.
    
    >Anyone wanna speculate if another album of original material will be   
    >released? I think maybe one more. 
    
    I think they'll probably release another one.  Richard Wright is
    supposed to be releasing another solo album also.
    
    Steve

    'Delecate Sounds of Thunder' was not very good IMO. 'High Hopes' is
    done well, but I'm refering to 'What Do You Want From Me' more than the
    rest. I'm a BIG Gilmour fan but I don't think his voice is all that
    good live ( at least recorded live ).
    
    I own Gilmour's two solo jobs ( I think there are only two ) but never
    heard Wright's solo work old or new. Is it worth picking up?
    
    Aside from 'Dark Side...' and 'The Wall' I have every Floyd that has
    been released. I even own three bootleg live shows ( one is 'Dark
    Side...' circa 1972.) and in that Gilmour's voice sounds a lot better.
    
    Maybe I'm too critical...
    
    Dave

How can they have dropped One Of These Days?  Geez they could have left off any
one of the DSOTM songs.  That was one of the high points of the show.

Tim

    Wright's 'Wet Dream' is a good album.  It's kinda mellow for some
    people, but it shows you how important he was for the Pink Floyd
    sound.  Snowy White and Mel Collins play guitar and sax on this
    album.
    
    Re: Tim
    
    They couldn't drop one the DSOTM songs, considering they released
    Pulse _because_ they had played the entire DSOTM in concert.  They
    should have dropped one of the others, though.  'One of these Days'
    was one of the best songs performed!
    
    Steve

re .126

How on earth can you own all Floyd albums, but not have DSOTM or The Wall!?!?!
Even non-Floyd fans have these in their collections!


%-)
Matt$amazed

    Tim in note.127 said it best. DSOTM is overplayed. So is The Wall.
    THAT is why I do not own them....yet. besides, they're on cassette.
    
    'Wet Dream' is an old album is it not? Mellow does't mean anything,
    'Meddle' was quite relaxing..except 'One of These Days'....
    
    I missed one that I don't own..' Obsured by Clouds' is not in my
    collection....yet.
    
    Dave

    Ok ok
    
    I picked up Dark Side yesterday.
    Only 2 more to go.
    
    Dave

    'Wet Dream' is _very_ mellow, but if you have most of the PF stuff, you
    will most probably like it.  Do you have the soundtracks to 'More' and
    'Zabriskie Point'?  How are they?  These, along with 'Ummagumma' and
    'Piper at the Gates of Dawn' are the only PF that I haven't bought
    yet.
    
    Steve

    I never heard of 'Zabriskie Point'. I guess I'm not a total Floyd
    fan...
    'More' is differant. I played 'The Nile Song' (track 2) for a buddy of
    mine and he would not beleive it was Floyd.
    Don't waste your money on 'Ummagumma' unless you find it in the bargin
    bin. The live stuff is good but the studio stuff is weird, very weird.
    On cassette, only 'Astronomy Domine' is included and their tune 
    'Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and
    grooving with a Pict' is entertaining but not normal.
    'Pipers...' is the only true Sid Barrett work. Waters pretty much took
    over after Sid's mind went away. I recommend 'Pipers...' it is very
    good. Lots of strange songs but good none the less.
    
    I take it 'Wet Dream' is similar to 'Meddle'.
    
    'More' is OK but it goes from good rockin' songs like track 2 and 9 to
    mellow like track 1 and weird like tracks 3 and 5. I recommed it.
    
    Dave

    
    Some of y'all may find this interesting.
    I was reading an old copy of 'Musician'(sp) magazine a friend of mine
    has and it had part 1 (of 3 parts) The Pink Floyd story-The early
    years. According to the article, Waters, Mason, Wright and Gilmour were
    on their way to Syd's place to pick him up and do a show. Gilmour, at
    this time, was not quite a full member. He was playing guitar back
    stage cuz Syd was wasted most of the time and couldn't play proper.
    Well, it seems one of them said "I guess we gotta pick up Syd now." One
    of the others said "Oh, lets not." and never did.
    That was in early '68 during the recording of 'Saucer Full of Secrets'.
    Now Syd is a vegitable in the care of his mum.
    
    Now, that is according to that acticle and may not be acurrate.
    I thought you might find that interesting.
    
    Dave 

    
    So here I am, walking through CD Warehouse looking for Kiss unplugged
    and ventured over to the Pink Floyd section and what do I find, Relics
    was finally released on CD. It was only available on cassette since
    1971. 
    For those that like older Floyd, this was realeased in 71 with 11
    tracks, some not found on any album's except for compilation albums, ie
    Works, Collection of Great Dance Songs, etc... and in the box set.
    
    Song list:
    Arnold Layne - first single released in 67. not on any other album
    in North America except compilation albums and in the box set.
    Interstellar Overdrive - found on first album.
    See Emily Play - same as Arnold Layne.
    Remember a Day - found on second album.
    Paintbox - same as Arnold Layne
    Careful With That Axe, Eugene -  studio version. Live version on
    Ummagumma.
    Julia's Dream - same as Arnold Layne.
    Cirrus Minor - found on the More album.
    The Nile Song - found on the More album.
    Biding My Time - same as Arnold Layne.
    Bike - found on first album.
    
    Dave
     

    
    "The Nile Song" had to be one of the best early Metal tunes.
    
    - Sean

    I Believe that Meddle was ReLeased as A CD with The Floyd Box_Set.
    
    
      Crazy_Can_Conferm_Tammarra_Al

    
    Meddle, The Wall, Animals, Wish You Were Here, Saucer Full Of Secrets,
    and Dark Side..  was realesed full length. As well as a
    'Singles' CD and an interview CD. (If I remember correctly.)
    There is a hard cover book in the box set too.
    
    Dave