Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Yes, I was happy to see HM being recognized by the industry (finally!),
    but also was quick to notice the absence of a Queensryche nomination.
    I get the feeling that the nominations are influenced by record sales,
    for which Queensryche has not done well with, floundering around the
    160s on Billboards chart for a while now. 
    
    I hope Metallica wins.  AC/DC is great, but at least they get video/air
    play.  Metallica wows em all without either!
    
    Buck, who sez if *true* Metallica fans bummed when AJFA went platinum,
    they'll really bum out if they win the grammy! 
    
    ;^) 

    
    
    I would LOVE for Metallica to win - the are extremely talented..
    
    But not only that - it would open up doors for other serious
    *heavy* metal bands - not like Bon Jovi (nothing against them)
    but like Anthrax, etc.  People would take these people more
    seriously, and as people with talent.
    
    
    IMO
    
    F.

>    I get the feeling that the nominations are influenced by record sales,
>    for which Queensryche has not done well with, floundering around the
>    160s on Billboards chart for a while now. 
    
 I know this is off the topic, but does anyone have a good feeling for how
 many albums have to be sold to make it in the top 200? (i.e. how long
 would O:M have to stay in this position to go gold (500,000 sold, I think)?) 

 It doesn't make a lot of difference to me if Ryche's albums go MULTIplatinum
 but it'd be nice to see a band with their level of quality/integrity get
 some recoginition in the form of sales.

 Kent

    I believe it's a percentage of the market, not total sales (in dollars)
    that determines placement in the charts, therefore there wouldn't
    necessarily be a relationship between the total sold and the position.
    
    gh

>    I believe it's a percentage of the market, not total sales (in dollars)
>    that determines placement in the charts, 
    
Nawww, it's not even that easy. In fact, the method of determining
chart position is very confusing, and is not publicly known. There is
some sort of formula, but Ihave no idea what it is. I know it does take 
into account such things as radio airplay, sales, and jukebox income,
among other things. And the equation does not stay constant either - 
the higher on the charts you go, the more the #'s rely on sales info
and less on airplay. In other words, you can get to about #50 on
just airplay. But if you want to move up into the Top 20, you had
better start selling records!

(Yes, there are records that get a lot of airplay but don't sell.
Especially by older bands, such as the Stones and The Who, or 'cool'
artists like Lou Reed. Radio plays them to be 'in', but no one
buys it.)

cat

    Well, even if QR are selling lots of records, they're getting about
    zero airplay...
    
    gh

    
    
    Re>.6
    
    	I think air-play goes back to how much $-ola is rained
    upon record stations...I admire bands like Metallica, QR
    etc. that gather impressive followings without the big
    promo bucks...............
    
    	I think the "Crammies" are fixed anyway...
    Watch "Jethro Tull" take it..Murphy's Law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    EARL (_}===# who believes in equity...Who believes in equity???
    

    
    I question how much air-play has to do with being on the charts.
    If that were the case, then Zeppelin would be on the charts 
    constantly and bands like Metallica and Anthrax wouldn't have a
    chance.  But that is not the case.  I believe that being on the
    charts is very reflective of album sales.  Bands like Bon Jovi
    and Def Leppard stay high in the charts because their sales are
    high over a long period of time, whereas Metallica burst onto the
    charts because of the anticipation of the new release, but have
    been slowly fading.  With Anthrax, all the loyal fans go out and
    buy the new release right away, so they debut fairly high on the
    charts for that month, but after that initial wave, the sales drop
    and therefore they may be on the charts for only two weeks or so.
    
    If you read the small print at the bottom of the Rolling Stone charts,
    it says they are based on a telephone survey of rock oriented record
    stores, nationwide.  Since Def Leppard have sold 8 million copies
    of Hysteria, it's easy to see why they have been on the charts for
    70 weeks now.
    
    SM

    Someone told me that Metallica was going to PERFORM at the Grammies.
    I don't think the world is ready for this.  And I'm slightly ticked
    because Metallica/Queensryche were going to be here in Greenville,
    SC on the 27th but they cancelled in order to be Grammybears.  I
    guess us Dixiemetalheads will have to sacrafice this show in the
    name of Heavy Metal !!!
    
    
    				Scary

    
    
    	Aren't the American Music Awards before the Grammies?
    	I haven't heard when they were going to be yet, and was
    	curious as to whether or not I've already missed them 
    	or what?!  
    
    	Anybody heard anything?!
    	
    	Tigga~~~

    re: Jerry
    
    Good ole Adam Curry said last night on HBB that Metallica was going
    to perform "One" at the Grammys.  They definately AREN'T ready for
    it...
    
    gh

    RE: `One' and `not ready'
    
    	THIS I gotta see !  I like it when the stuffed shirts aren't
    ready  to  get  slapped  up the side of the head with a METAL `G' 
    clef !  :^)
    
    METALord"_can't_wait_to_see_this_!

    
    Wait a minute. AM I dreaming? When is the Grammies being held?
    
    -Me!

    
    
    Yea,  when when when?????
    
    
    Hope they don't cut it out..
    
    That should be kinda funny... can you see Dick Clark (or whoever)
    now, introducing them?
    
    aga
    
    

    In Response To Re:429.9 Metallica Was Going To Perform In Greenville,
    For The Price Of $13.75. As Soon As The Crammies Came Out, The Price
    Went To $15.75! Then They Cancelled Altogether! Sounds Like The
    Promoter,Or The Band Was Trying To Make A Fast Buck! No Harm Here!

    
    
    	Instead of starting an entirely new topic, I thought I
    	would just add to this one seeing as how they are both
    	awards shows.
    
    	Anyways...I was a little miffed at the fact that G'n'R
    	won the best Pop/Rock Single, yet Def Leppard's Hysteria
    	won Best HM Album.....Doesn't make sense to me!!
    
    	Tigger~~~~  (just an observation)
    

    The thing that irk'ed me was on the Heavy_metal Awards,Did ya noticed
    how fast they Read the Nominees'then anounced the winner,and moved
    on to the next classification of music.
    
    Maybe it was just me thinking that..I know Def Lep. was there to
    recieve it but still seemed like a rush Job!
    
    jim

    It seemed like a rush job here too...
    
    Someday Heavy Metal will hold a place in today's "public" music,
    it will just take a while.. believe me, we've come a long way..
    
    CJ

    
    
    	Cross your fingers and hope that it'll be better at
    	the Grammies.
    
    	Were the AMA's done live or something??  You would
    	think that if it were taped they would've corrected
    	New Edition when they screwed up VH's album.
    
    	Did any of you catch the part where Michael Jackson
    	asked Eddie Murphy to raise the microphone??  I was
    	listening to KISS 108 about 20 minutes before I saw
    	it on TV and Eddie started to do it then said to himself
    	(or maybe even aloud) "What does he think I am?!"
    
    	Tigger~~~

    
    
    Tiga - yes he did say it out loud... he said when he first asked
    he was like "oh yes Michael" and then "what am I doing!!!"
    
    It was funny..
    
    By the by... who was that drumming for Guns N Roses last night???
    
    Anyone know who?  and why?
    
    F.

    
    	Ahh...poor Michael had to bend over to talk into a
    microphone...then he actually had the nerve, on NETWORK TELEVISION,
    to ask Eddie Murphy to raise it! I thought Murphy handled it well
    by stopping himself from doing so. 
    
    					Les
    

    
    
    
    
    	THAT was the other thing that annoyed me.  Steven Adler
    	is the reason I WATCH G-n-R!!!!  And it was some old
    	coot on drums instead of him!!!
    
    	Did anyone else think that Axl sounded...well...bad?
    	Patience is a good song, but I think they should've
    	done something a little harder since Patience (IMO)
    	sounds better on vinyl.
    
    	hahahahaha!!  You gotta love it!!!  Didn't I hear
    	Michael say something like he couldn't life the 
    	microphone himself?!  agagagagaga
    
    	Tigga~~~

    re:20
    I don't know who the drummer was,but rumor has it G&R drummer
    has a broken arm.
    
    B.
    

    
    Well, my guess was that G n R went on late cuz Steve Alder (for some
    reason) couldn't make it, cuz they were pushed back in performing time.
    Also, it seemed to me they did patience cuz it was an easy song that
    drummer could follow.  He looked like he didn't know it, as Duff kept
    giving him cues. 
    
    They were definitely rushed, as Axl tried to thank the drummer who sat
    in they killed his mic and went on to the next thing, you could tell he
    was pissed.
    
    All in all I think the AMA was kinda bogus, although I think that the
    country music awards were all right on.  Reba and Randy really deserved
    those awards. 
    
    Buck

    
    
    Also Did ya notice after Michael said "I would like to thank god,for
    this award" Most of the other Rapp and soul artists said that too..
    
    Oh Micheal You make me sick,,Raise the mic stand......"WIMP!"
       and mike you are Bad....even better 
                                            
      YOU S@*K!

    
    
    Now that I think of it... it did kinda look as though the drummer
    couldn't follow with the song too well..  he did just *okay*.
    
    F.

    
    	I'm confused... 
    
    	I dont follow these music award things but didnt someone say
    that METALLICA was supposed to play at this awards thing..how come
    no one mentioned them..all I hear is GnR this and M. Jacksuck that...
    what about METALLICA..how did they do?
    
    BK
    

    
    
    I believe they are playing at the Grammies...
    
    F.

    
    Metallica IS to play teh grammies.   Last night was the American
    Music Awards...two different things!
    
    Aslo, what about Micheal Jackson.  The guy has talent, and deserved
    the awards he's got.
    
    I mean, what were you doing at age 4?

    Just a wag, but MJ wasn't the first one to thank God when receiving
    his award.  The first I saw was Whitney Houston, but there might
    have been others before that, 'cause I had to work late and didn't
    see the start of the show (and went off in another room to practice
    my guitar for most of it after GnR played).
      
    Why do we get so upset about their choice of bands/records for a
    catagory?  It should be a given that they are NOT going to recognize
    a lot of excellent artists simply because they don't fit the mainstream
    idiom.  IMO Am. Music Awards are the most commercial and bogus of
    the bunch, but they are ALL geared toward mainstream commercial
    stuff.  I believe that the only reason the Grammys are giving any
    attention to a group like Metallica is because they've simply sold
    *so many* records that they couldn't be ignored (I could be wrong,
    this is of course, just my opinion).
    
    gh

    
      Well said Greg. That is the reason I no longer watch any of
    the award shows period. Its not worth getting upset about. I
    think HM has many award winners, none of whom would ever get
    a mention from the likes of the AMA show. It doesn't bother me,
    I would rather not think of them in the company of Kenny Rogers
    and his likes anyway.
                           mike
    

>    All in all I think the AMA was kinda bogus, although I think that the
>    country music awards were all right on.  Reba and Randy really deserved
>    those awards. 
    
Personally, I thought that Kathy Mattea deserved to win over Randy Travis.
Just MHO. (Besides, I like Randy's stuff from a couple of years ago better.)

cat

I didn't watch the Grammy awards last night, but I hear that Metallica won
BEST HEAVY METAL SONG for "One"

Is this true ??

jc

    
    	"One" came out in '88.
    
    	??
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    What a rip off!!  They didn't even televise it.  We didn't get to see
    who else was nominated or anything.  It was one of those things Here's
    who one for the hard rock and heavy metal category.  Not even a heavy
    metal performance.  Only a quick glance of Motley Crue. - Kim

    	did anyone besides me see the humorous incident after one of
    the performances?  I think it was after milli vanilli performed,
    the camera panned to the audience and focused on on one pissed off
    ozzy osbourne!  He was mega ripped about something!  He didn't even
    begin to clap until just before they cut to commercial.    
    	later on, when McCartney came up for his award and everyone
    was standing in the audience they briefly showed Ozzy who was standing,
    smiling, clapping and turned to the camera to wink.
    
    	pretty exciting stuff, huh?
    
    sean

    
    
             That must mean that QUEENSRYCHE will get
             their grammy next year..............*B^)
    
    
                                                          mArK
    

    Hey mArK...Howz the new Shovel?  Uh, sorry, I mean Jerkson?
    
    2 Necks ARE better than 1...
    Buck

    I think Aerosmith ahould have got Hard Rock over Living Color.
    Aerosmith has been the foundation for Hard rock for the last
    20 years...WTF?  Give L.C. some time to develop more me thinks.

>    I think Aerosmith ahould have got Hard Rock over Living Color.
>    Aerosmith has been the foundation for Hard rock for the last
>    20 years...WTF?  Give L.C. some time to develop more me thinks.

Oh, I dunno. Remember the arguement last year when Tull won over Metallica?
Everyone thought it was because of Tulls' past work, not their current one, 
and said it should be based only on the work nominated. I think that, taken 
one on one, "Cult of Personality" is a better song than "Love In An Elevator", 
so I have no problems with LC winning over Aerosmith this time around.

alan

    Really? (ie - you think COP is a better song than 'Love..')
    To each his own I guess, actually, I think the Aerosmith song
    is smarter in arrangement and I like it's humerous aire.

    
    	re: Kim
    
    	Precisely why I don't watch the Grammy's.....they're
    	too stuffy! I prefer the AM Awards...
    

>    Really? (ie - you think COP is a better song than 'Love..')
>    To each his own I guess, actually, I think the Aerosmith song
>    is smarter in arrangement and I like it's humerous aire.

Well, I think that they are about even, lyric-wise. 'COP' has better lyrics, 
but 'LIAE' lyrics are pretty clever. But musically, I gotta go with 'COP', 
because they seem to play with fire (although I know you don't really liek the 
solo).

Ah well, to each his own....

(BTW - the Aerosmith *album* as a whole is better than Living Colour's!)

alan

    Do you think they didn't broadcast the H_M awards cause
    of the Slash incident?  Comment was made that extra measures
    were being taken so as to prevent "a similar incident".
    
    

    
    	re: Candy
    
    	Nice p_n!!! 8^)
    
    sean

    
    re: 43  Yah, the AM were much better, next year I don't think I'll even
    bother to watch the Grammies. - kim

    So I assume that I didn't miss much.

    Last year RAP didn't get televised, and they raised a BIG stink...
    
    ????

    
    Buck, 
          we set up one guitar (thank god it was not mine) with its
    parts and the coating bubbled and on the back, indentation of the
    towel that we had it laying on. Well, back under the heat lamps...
    
               But I got pictures......................... mArK
                                                           

	
	Grammy nominations...

	Best Metal Performance w/ vocal 
		- "Attack of the Killer B's" Anthrax (a)
		- "Badmotorfinger" Soundgarden (a)
		- "Hangar 18" Megadeth (s)
		- "Metallica" Metaliica (a)
		- "1916" Motorhead (a)
	
	Best Hard Rock Performance w/ vocal 
		- "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" Van Halen (a)
		- "Man in the Box" Alice in Chains (s)
		- "Money Talks" AC/DC (track from "Razor's Edge")
		- "Use Your Illusion I" Guns and Roses (a)


	Extreme ("More Than Words" (s)) is up for Best Pop Performance 
	by Duo or Group w/ vocal.

	Jane's Addiction ("Been Caught Stealing" (s)) and Queensryche 
	("Silent Lucidity" (s)) are up for Best Rock Performance by Duo 
	or Group w/ Vocal.
    
	(a) - album
	(s) - single
    
    
    Paul

    
    Way to go Anthrax!!!  Psyche!

    
    
    Pete they were nominated last year to...for PoT...right?
    
    I think we know who's going to win.... ;')
    
    Need I say it!
    
    (altogether now.."NO!!!!")

    The same bogus bands that won the HM awards in here will win.  What a
    shame, since they all had to go downhill to do it.
    
    gh

    
    Re: gh
    
    	Yeah you're right. They will win.

    Naaa...Metallibore has won too many times alreasdy...they'll
    pick someone new.

    
    Now that Vh unlawfully walked away with the H_M award at the AMA, I'm
    hoping that the Grammies will pick the rightful winner.
    
    I do hope FH wons best new band though...
    
    

    VH was the rightful winner and will win the Grammies  unless the judges
    are high.
    
                        Frizkid
    

    
    i don't have to say the "M" word, for you already know what it is...
    
    but nonetheless they shall prove triumphant in the race for the grammy.
    
    

    I heard last night that Nirvana and Garth Brooks, this years runaway
    record sellers, were only nominated for one award each?

    
    
    	And Amy Grant is nominated for something like four... go
    	figure..
    	
    tigg~~~

    I believe Metallica is playing tonight also.... 
    
    /w
    

    
    
    	Yup, according to the TV guide they are.....
    

    Metallica at the Grammies?  I just hear three thousand little old
    ladies in Peoria faint.

    Anytime, baby!
    
    ;) ;) ;) ;0 !

    
    They are!!!
    
    YeeeHawwW!!
    
    What time?
    

    I don' know, but I wish I did.  They'll be the only part of the
    Crappies worth watching.
    
    BJ

    Yawn...
    
    Metallica plays lame stuff at the Grammies, woopee...
    
    gh

    
    I heard they are playing For Whome The Bell Tolls...
    
    
    
    
    Yeah right... I'd be in heaven...

RE: Chris

Me too...

Unfortunately, Metallica is kinda lame live (IMHo)

jc (Slippin' into his flak jacket)

    
    Lame Live?
    
    Better ut that flak jacket it on quick! I'm headin' out to CSC with my
    m16 as of this moment... ;')
    
    My bet is that they're gonna play Unforblubber, which I(yes me) am
    getting bored with...
    
    I'm hoping they'll play sad but true, or Enter Sandman.
    
    

Well, I'm basing that on the great disatisfaction I felt when they played 
"One" on TV...and when I saw 'em at The Centrum.  I was embarassed for 'em
being on TV like that..  

They did pretty good with Enter Bland-Man tho...
jc

    
    You should've seen 'em on this tour Coop, Fackin' spectacular (imo)!!
    
    I know I do feel they shouldn't be made to perform a slow song. After
    all if the grammies nominate them for their albums, they should be able
    to play any selection on the album. 

    Yeah, I hear they'll be playing "Blackened"...
    
    
    
    
    NOT!
    
    gh, who sez they'll play boring new stuff instead

    
    I would flip if they played blackened (A most rulin' tune)
    
    

    I'll BARF if Brian Adams wins a single award for that FACKIN AWFUL song
    from Robin Hood.  I can't even stand to say the name, or even THINK it!
    
    gh

>(A most rulin' tune)
    
    Precisely why they won't be playing it...
                                          
    

    
    Also, the crowd in their silkened dresses and tuxedos would have a
    cardiac arrest the minute they heard, "To Begin Whipping Dance OF The
    Dead...BLACKENED IS THE END!!!!!"
    
    
    I love that song... in fact it's about to
    play......................................................................
    ............................................................................
    ........................................................................
    .........................................................................
    ...............................now!
    
    

    -12
    
    Really...major fackin BRRR, man!!

    
    I'm not sure if Anthrax won or not.

    
    	They did "Enter Sandman", although you probably know that by now.
    	And it sounded OK, but not great ... the backing vocals need some
    	work.
    
    	And they took "Heavy Metal Performance" ... yeah!!
    
    	Lars was great ... "We'd like to thank Jethro Tull for not put-
    	ting out an album this year".
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI

    
    	Anthrax's "Attack of the Killer B's" lost to "Metallica".
    
    	And Brian Adams went away with nothing, if I heard correctly.
    	[Heh heh!!]
    
    							GTI

    >	And Brian Adams went away with nothing, if I heard correctly.
    
    YEY!

    ho!ho! I forgot they lost the award a couple of years ago to those
    old age pensioners.
    

    
    Pete, I can't believe you avtually thought AotKB should have one. Now
    had it been PoT, Yes Anthrax should have won. But Kbees paled in
    comparison to Metallica.
    
    
    
    

    
    Not totally true. Had their album been done by anyone but them It would
    be praised. It is a good album, just not something totally expected
    from ones such as  Metallica.
    
    
     

    But the best part of their performance was Whoopie's comments after
    they were done!!  (the only part of the whole show I saw).
    
    Chris D.

    
    What did she say!!!??

    I liked her comment after that burnin paino dude from Moscow was done!!
    
    Too funny!

    I guess she said three jokes, but I missed the first one which, by the
    audiances reaction, must have been pretty funny.  She then said she was
    watching the drummer, waiting for his head to fly off.  Then she
    mimicked(sp) him with her arms swinging and her head swinging yelling
    "I have to go to the bathroom but I have to play the drums!!" (or
    something to that effect).
    
    Anyone know what the first joke was?
    
    Chris D

    She said it looked like Lar's head was going to come off and that he
    was playing like he had forgotten to go to the bathroom before the
    song.  Then she said, 'well, now that the headbangers ball is over,
    let's do the award for best heavy metal performance..."
    
    Thought she was kinna snide myself.  The performance of 'Enter Sandman'
    was okay, alittle rough though...  I really loved when Lars basically
    told everyone in the industry to f.o.  Especially funny was his line, 
    'I like to thank all the radio stations and MTV for making this all
    possible....NOT!"
    
    He closed with thanking all the Metallica fans for supporting them over
    the last 10 years and saying that you can be true to your music and
    still be successful.
    
    Also, Chris, Metallica's new video is premiering on eMpTyV this
    afternoon at 5:30 PM.  Set your VCR.
    
    
    BJ

    
    Looks like I'm going to start watching tv again...
    
    
    
    8-)
    
    

    Did Queensryche perform or were they presenters?  Or did they not show
    up at all?  The promo mentioned them.
    
    BJ, who turned it off after Metallica played.

    Queensryche played at the end (I saw them!)
    
    they played SL though... boring... even though it was performed good.
    
    
    
    

>    Not totally true. Had their album been done by anyone but them It would
>    be praised. It is a good album, just not something totally expected
>    from ones such as  Metallica.
    
    I don't think it would have been *praised*, and I certainly don't 
    think it would have gotten the mass airplay and marketing push that it
    has.
    
    It's a *good* album, but not a *great* album, that's the problem.  If
    an unknown band had done it, they would have been labeled a "good"
    band, but not a "great" band, IMVHO.
    
    gh (who didn't watch the Grammys)

    
    I agree Greg. Because of the name 'Metallica' it got a lot of
    marketing. maybe not praised, but definetely not frowned upon like it
    has been by some people.
    
    
    
    

    Actually, it's gotten a TON of praise!  Just not very much from fans of
    the older Metallic material.
    
    gh

    
    	I only have one question.
    
    	Unless it was his decision, why did Michael Bolton only
    	get to sing 1 minute's worth of When A Man Loves A Woman??!!
    
    	Boo hiss!  ahem.
    
    	I shut it off at 10 past eleven.  What time did it end?  From
    	talk on the radio this morning, it must have run pretty late.
    
    	Oh, and *where* did Aretha Franklin get the idea that her hair
    	and that red dress looked good?
    
    	Ok, so that was three questions.  =)
    

    What is metallica's nexted vid? NEM?

    
   >	Unless it was his decision, why did Michael Bolton only
   > 	get to sing 1 minute's worth of When A Man Loves A Woman??!!
    
    
    	Geez, I would have been upset if I had to sit through that much
    	of the song, never mind the whole thing.  And I don't believe
    	he won an award for that drivel ... not sure who he was up a-
    	gainst, but at the time I was wishing it was one of the other
    	nominees.
    
    							GTI

    I haven`t got the latest album,and i doubt i`ll bother getting it.
    Gimme Anthrax any day.
    

    re: prc
    
    Haha!  That's great!
    
    re: Grammys
    
    I was just looking at the nomination list again and it seems like some
    of that stuff is way older then last year.  I thought the awards were
    for material produced in the last year?  I *know* Jane's Addiction
    put out "Been Caught Stealin" at least two years ago!
    
    gh

    We was standing behind a whole crew of LGTB(tm)s at the Metallica show,
    and we hadta teach them the older songs. How hard is it to yell, 
    
    SEARCH'IN...SEEK AND DESTROY

    
    
    
    	Anyone else notice this?
    
    	Robbie Robertson turned to Little Steven and said something like,
    "I can't say this." before reading the bit about heavy metal bringing
    excitement and musicianship to the music industry.
    
    
    Paul

> Robbie Robertson should end it all. His performance on Saturday
> Night Live was the most pathetic peice of garbage I've ever seen in my life.

He might have had a bad performance on SNL (many acts do), but that's no
reason to think he's worthless. He's put out two *excellent* solo albums,
both of which were musically adventurous and lyrically interesting. Hardly
part of the "over-the-hill" gang.... he's still got a lot to say musically!

alan

So why do they have RR present an award for something he doesn't want to do?

I also liked how Michael Bolton "forgot" to thank Percy Sledge for writing the
song that MB milked for the grammy.

What sort of drugs was the guy on who wrote Unforgetable?  He went on in the most
obtuse/bizarre fashion.  They must have been telling him to get to the point
because he seemed distracted by something off camera, but rambled on and slowed
down the whole show only 15 minutes into it.

Tim

    Anyone else prefer Rod Stewart's (cover) version of _Broken Arrow_
    to Robbie Robertson's??

    Me.
    But his"Sittin on the Dock of the Bay"done at the Apollo is just
    just--I_can't_seem_to__TOO_find_the-W_words..HHmmmm.
    
    
          Crazy_How_do_you_say_Lordsom_x_10_to_the_10000000_AL?

    I have to agree with Alan about Robbie Robertson.
    
    gh

    Robbie Robertson had a song out here called "somewhere down the crazy
    river" it used to turn an old girlfriend of mine into a quivering
    sexual monster   8)
    
    
    staynz

Well The grammie nominations are out for this year.  I will skip over the
ususal nominations except to say that Peter Gabriel got 4.

In the Metal category Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, Helmet
and NWO (?) got nominations.

In the Hard Rock category, Pearl Jam got nominated for Jeremy.  I think the
Black Crowes should be there, but that's only my opinion.  I forget the
rest now...

I didn't bring in the paper, so if someone wants to fill in the blanks fine.

Tim

    
    >>                        -< Where's metallica? >-
    
    	That's what *I* want to know!
    
    ;')
    
    
    

    I'm so glad they're absent!!

    
    
    	Gee what a suprise they didnt get nominated...
    
    
    			Lu

    
    Hey back off buckley!
    
    ;')
    

    Chris
    Why are shocked that Metallica isn't there? You know the Grammies have
    never been on top of what's hot..... or have any taste! :))
                                                               Rat

    I'm actually surprised the Metallica *isn't* there, 'cause the Grammies
    so obviously pander to things which are wildly commercially successful.
    
    I'm surprised to see both NIN and Helmet on that list, even though they
    both rule.  They both have limited audience appeal... (too harsh for
    most people)
    
    gh

>    I'm actually surprised the Metallica *isn't* there, 'cause the Grammies
>    so obviously pander to things which are wildly commercially successful.

With all the new acts , the new "popularity" of HM, and Metcallica having
recieved on last year, I'm not.  They got rotated out this year, is all.

-a

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
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	LOS ANGELES (UPI) -- The nominees announced Thursday for the 36th
annual Grammy Awards, to be presented March 1 in New York, were:
	Record of the year: ``A Whole New World (Aladdin's theme),'' Peabo
Bryson and Regina Belle; ``I Will Always Love You,'' Whitney Houston; 
``The River Of Dreams,'' Billy Joel; ``If I Ever Lose My Faith In You,''
Sting; ``Harvest Moon,'' Neil Young.
	Album of the year: ``Kamakiriad,'' Donald Fagen; ``The Bodyguard''
soundtrack, Whitney Houston; ``The River of Dreams,'' Billy Joel; 
``Automatic For The People,'' R.E.M.; ``Ten Summoner's Tales,'' Sting.
	Song of the year (songwriter's award, artist's name in parentheses):
``Harvest Moon,'' Neil Young (Neil Young); ``I'll Do Anything For Love
(But I Won't Do That), Jim Steinman (Meat Loaf); ''If I Ever Lose My
Faith In You,`` Sting (Sting); ''The River Of Dreams,`` Billy Joel
(Billy Joel), ''A Whole New World (Aladdin's theme),`` Alan Menken and
Tim Rice (Peabo Bryson and Regina Belle).
	Pop vocal, female: ``Dreamlover,'' Mariah Carey; ``I Don't Know Why,''
Shawn Colvin; ``I Will Always Love You,'' Whitney Houston; ``Miss
Chatelaine,'' k.d. lang; ``I Don't Wanna Fight,'' Tina Turner.
	Pop vocal, male: ``The Crying Game,'' Boy George; ``The River of
Dreams,'' Billy Joel; ``Don't Take Away My Heaven,'' Aaron Neville; 
``Have I Told You Lately,'' Rod Stewart; ``If I Ever Lose My Faith In
You,'' Sting.
	New artist: Belly, Blind Melon, Toni Braxton, Digable Planets, SWV
(Sisters with Voices).
	Rock vocal: ``Steam,'' Peter Gabriel; ``Are You Gonna Go My Way,''
Lenny Kravitz; ``I'll Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That),'' Meat
Loaf; ``Demolition Man,'' Sting; ``All Along The Watchtower,'' Neil
Young.
	Rock performance, duo or group with vocal: ``Livin' On The Edge,''
Aerosmith; ``No Rain,'' Blind Melon; ``My Back Pages,'' Bob Dylan, Roger
McGuinn, Tom Petty, Neil Young, Eric Clapton, George Harrison; ``Runaway
Train,'' Soul Asylum; ``Two Princes,'' Spin Doctors.
	Country vocal, male: ``Ain't Going Down (Til The Sun Comes Up),''
Garth Brooks; ``Chattahoochee,'' Alan Jackson; ``I Don't Need Your
Rockin' Chair,'' George Jones; ``The Grand Tour,'' Aaron Neville; 
``Ain't That Lonely Yet,'' Dwight Yoakam.
	Country vocal, female: ``Passionate Kisses,'' Mary-Chapin Carpenter;
``High Powered Love,'' Emmy Lou Harris; ``Soon,'' Tanya Tucker; ``Only
Love,'' Wynonna; ``Walkaway Joe,'' Trisha Yearwood.
	Country vocal, duo or group: ``Hard Workin' Man,'' Brooks & Dunn; 
``Trashy Women,'' Confederate Railroad; ``In A Week Or Two,'' Diamond
Rio; ``God Blessed Texas,'' Little Texas; ``All These Years,'' Sawyer
Brown.
	Pop duo or group with vocal: ``A Whole New World (Aladdin's theme),''
Peabo Bryson and Regina Belle; ``When I Fall In Love,'' Celine Dion and
Clive Griffin; ``Man On The Moon,'' R.E.M.; ``The Music Of The Night,''
Barbra Streisand and Michael Crawford; ``Love Is,'' Vanessa Williams and
Brian McKnight.
	Traditional pop vocal: ``Steppin' Out,'' Tony Bennett; ``Do You Miss
New York?'' Rosemary Clooney; ``A Touch Of Music In The Night,'' Michael
Crawford; ``Love Songs,'' Diane Schuur; ``Back To Broadway,'' Barbra
Streisand.
	Pop instrumental: ``Got To Be There,'' George Benson; ``Forever In
Love,'' Kenny G; ``Beauty And The Beast,'' James Galway; ``Barcelona
Mona'' Bruce Hornsby and Branford Marsalis; ``The Phantom Of The Opera,''
London Symphony Orchestra, Anthony Inglis, conductor.
	Hard rock with vocal: ``Highway To Hell,'' AC/DC; ``Leave It Alone,''
Living Colour; ``Calling To You,'' Robert Plant; ``Cherub Rock,''
Smashing Pumpkins; ``Plush,'' Stone Temple Pilots.
	Metal with vocal: ``Fear Of The Dark,'' Iron Maiden; ``Angry Again,''
Megadeth; ``I Don't Want To Change The World,'' Ozzy Osbourne; 
``Institutionalized,'' Suicidal Tendencies; ``Thunder Kiss '65,'' White
Zombie.
	Rock instrumental: ``Boogie Man,'' Aerosmith; ``Hi-Heel Sneakers,''
Jeff Beck and Jed Leiber; ``Speed Of Light,'' Joe Satriani; ``Purple
Haze,'' Tangerine Dream; ``Sofa,'' Joel Steve Vai.
	Rock song (songwriter's award, artist's name in parentheses): ``Are
You Gonna Go My Way,'' Lenny Kravitz and Craig Ross (Lenny Kravitz); 
``Cryin','' Steven Tyler, Joe Perry and Taylor Rhodes (Aerosmith); ``I'd
Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)'' Jim Steinman (Meat Loaf); 
``Livin' On The Edge,'' Steven Tyler, Joe Perry & Mark Hudson
(Aerosmith); ``Runaway Train,'' David Pirner (Soul Asylum).
	Alternative album, vocal or instrumental: ``Star,'' Belly; ``In
Utero,'' Nirvana; ``Automatic For The People,'' R.E.M.; ``Siamese Dream,
'' Smashing Pumpkins; ``Zooropa,'' U2.
	R&B vocal, female: ``Another Sad Love Song,'' Toni Braxton; ``Someday
We'll All Be Free,'' Aretha Franklin; ``I'm Every Woman,'' Whitney
Houston; ``That's The Way Love Goes,'' Janet Jackson; ``All Right Now,''
Patti LaBelle.
	R&B vocal, male: ``For The Cool In You,'' Babyface; ``Can We Talk,''
Tevin Campbell; ``A Song For You,'' Ray Charles; ``Voodoo,'' Teddy
Pendergrass; ``How Deep Is Your Love,'' Luther Vandross.
	R&B performance, duo or group with vocal: ``Let It Snow,'' Boyz II
Men; ``Sunday Morning,'' Earth, Wind & Fire; ``Give It Up, Turn It
Loose,'' En Vogue; ``No Ordinary Love,'' Sade; ``Anniversary,''
Tony!Toni!Tone!
	R&B song (songwriter's award, artist's name in parentheses): 
``Anniversary,'' Raphael Wiggins and Carl Wheeler (Tony!Toni!Tone!); 
``Can We Talk,'' Babyface and Daryl Simmons (Tevin Campbell); ``Heaven
Knows,'' Luther Vandross and Reed Vertelney (Luther Vandross); ``Little
Miracles (Happen Every Day),'' Luther Vandross and Marcus Miller (Luther
Vandross); ``That's The Way Love Goes,'' Janet Jackson, James Harris III
and Terry Lewis (Janet Jackson).
	Rap solo: ``Let Me Ride,'' Dr. Dre; ``Stand By Your Man,'' LL Cool J;
``Ruffneck,'' MC Lyte; ``Ditty,'' Paperboy; ``Just Da Pimpin' In Me,''
Sir Mix-A-Lot.
	Rap, duo or group: ``Revolution,'' Arrested Development; ``Insane In
The Brain,'' Cypress Hill; ``Rebirth Of Slick (Cool Like Dat),'' Digable
Planets; ``Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang,'' Dr. Dre and Snoop; ``Hip Hop
Hooray,'' Naughty By Nature.
	New age album, instrumental or vocal: ``Banba,'' Clannad; ``The Hours
Between Night + Day,'' Ottmar Liebert and Luna Negra; ``220 Volt Live,''
Tangerine Dream; ``Spanish Angel,'' Paul Winter Consort; ``In My Time,''
Yanni.
	Contemporary jazz performance, instrumental: ``Paint The World,''
Chick Corea Elektric Band II; ``Between The Sheets,'' Fourplay; ``The
Road To You,'' Pat Metheny Group; ``Another World,'' John Patitucci; 
``Like A River,'' Yellowjackets.
	Jazz vocal: ``Now And Then,'' Ernestine Anderson; ``Take A Look,''
Natalie Cole; ``Light Out Of Darkness,'' Shirley Horn; ``The Pink
Panther Theme,'' Bobby McFerrin; ``Swing That Music,'' Bobby Short and
Alden-Barrett Quintet.
	Jazz instrumental solo: ``The More I See You'' (track from `
``Legends''), Benny Carter; ``Brasil (Aquarela Do Brasil)'' (track from
``Kicking Cans), Herbie Hancock; ''Miles Ahead`` (track from ''So Near,
So Far,`` ''Musings for Miles``), Joe Henderson; ''4 On 6`` (track from
''Wes Bound``), Lee Ritenour; ''Nostalgico`` (track from ''American Jazz
Philharmonic``), Phil Woods.
	Jazz instrumental performance, individual or group: ``Sambao,'' Kenny
Barron; ``So Near, So Far (Musings For Miles)'' Joe Henderson; ``Dancing
In The Dark,'' The Fred Hersch Trio; ``Joshua Redman,'' Joshua Redman; 
``Wes Bound,'' Lee Ritenour.
	Large jazz ensemble performance: ``Miles And Quincy Live At Montreux,
'' Miles Davis and Quincy Jones; ``Dave Grusin Presents GRP All-star Big
Band Live,'' GRP All-Star Big Band and Tom Scott; ``Little Man, Big
Band,'' Jimmy Heath; ``Our 25th Year,'' Rob McConnell & The Boss Brass;
``Spirit Of The Black Territory Bands,'' Johnny Otis and his Orchestra.
	Country vocal collaboration (duos or groups of artists who do not
normally sing together): ``A Bad Goodbye,'' Clint Black and Wynonna; 
``Does He Love You,'' Reba McEntire and Linda Davis; ``The Heart Won't
Lie,'' Reba McEntire and Vince Gill; ``Romeo,'' Dolly Parton, Tanya
Tucker, Billy Ray Cyrus, Kathy Mattea, Pam Tillis and Mary-Chapin
Carpenter; ``Miner's Prayer,'' Ralph Stanley and Dwight Yoakam.
	Country instrumental: ``Red Wing,'' Asleep At The Wheel; ``Jingle
Bells,'' (track from ``Christmas In Branson, MO, USA''), Roy Clark; 
``The Ballad Of Jed Clampett,'' John McEuen; ``Gold Rush,''Mark O'Connor
with Byron Berline; ``Fiddlin' Around,'' Mark O'Connor with Johnny
Gimble.
	Bluegrass album, vocal or instrumental: ``Stuart Duncan,'' Stuart
Duncan; ``Blue Diamond,'' The Johnson Mountain Boys; ``Waitin' For The
Hard Times To Go,'' the Nashville Bluegrass Band; ``Tony Rice Plays And
Sings Bluegrass,'' Tony Rice; ``Saturday Night (& Sunday Morning),''
Ralph Stanley.
	Country song (songwriter's award, artist's name in parentheses): 
``Ain't That Lonely Yet,'' Kostas and James House (Dwight Yoakam); 
``Chattahoochee,'' Alan Jackson and Jim McBride (Alan Jackson); ``Does
He Love You,'' Sandy Knox and Billy Stritch (Reba McEntire and Linda
Davis); ``The Hard Way,'' Mary-Chapin Carpenter (Mary-Chapin Carpenter);
``Passionate Kisses,'' Lucinda Williams (Mary-Chapin Carpenter).
	Rock gospel album: ``Free At Last,'' DC Talk; ``Heat.It.Up.,''
Degarmo and Key; ``Pullin' No Punches,'' D.O.C.; ``Crimson And Blue,''
Phil Keaggy; ``Evolution,'' Geoff Moore and The Distance.
	Pop/contemporary gospel album: ``Soul,'' Margaret Becker; ``The Live
Adventure,'' Steven Curtis Chapman; ``Hope,'' Michael English; ``Le
Voyage,'' Sandi Patti; ``A Beautiful Place,'' Wayne Watson.
	Southern, country or bluegrass gospel album: ``Walk On,'' Bruce
Carroll; ``Worship His Glory,'' The Cathedrals; ``Southern Classics,''
Gaither Vocal Band; ``Good News,'' Kathy Mattea; ``Sunday Morning,''
Ralph Stanley.
	Traditional soul gospel album: ``Stand Still,'' Shirley Caesar: 
``Live In Memphis,'' the Canton Spirituals; ``In Good Health,'' the
Dixie Hummingbirds; ``Deep River,'' the Five Blind Boys of Alabama
featuring Clarence Fountain; ``Better Days Ahead,'' Dorothy Norwood; 
``He Keeps On Blessing Me,'' Albertina Walker.
	Contemporary soul gospel album: ``Angie & Debbie,'' Angie & Debbie; 
``Something On The Inside,'' Vanessa Bell Armstrong; ``Start All Over,''
Helen Baylor; ``Live,'' the Richard Smallwood Singers; ``All Out,'' the
Winans.
	Gospel album, choir or chorus: ``Live...We Come Rejoicing,'' Brooklyn
Tabernacle Choir; ``Rev. Milton Brunson Presents Tyrone Block And The
Christ Tabernacle Combined Chorus,'' Rev. Milton Brunson, Tyrone Block
and the Christ Tabernacle Combined Choirs; ``All The Bases,'' O'Landa
Draper and the Associates Choir; ``If You Love Me,'' Edwin Hawkins Music
and Arts Seminar Choir; ``Amen! A Gospel Celebration,'' Erich Kunzel and
the Cincinnati Pops with Jennifer Holliday, Maureen McGovern and Lou
Rawls.
	Latin pop album: ``Imaginame,'' Maria Conchita Alonso; ``Brindo A La
Vida, Al Bolero, A Ti,'' Vikki Carr; ``Latin Street '92,'' Jose
Feliciano; ``Aries,'' Luis Miguel; ``Algo Mas Que Amor,'' Las Triplets.
	Tropical Latin album: ``Hecho En Puerto Rico,'' Willie Colon; ``Azuca
Negra,'' Celia Cruz; ``First Class International,'' El Gran Combo de
Puerto Rico; ``Dilema,'' Luis Enrique; ``Mi Terra,'' Gloria Estefan; 
``Areito,'' Juan Luis Guerra y 4.40.
	Mexican-American album: ``Lastima Que Seas Ajena,'' Vicente
Fernandez; ``Corazon De Piedra,'' Santiago Jiminez Jr.; ``Que Paso?''
Little Joe; ``La Garra De...,'' Los Tigres Del Norte; ``Live,'' Selena.
	Tradional blues album: ``Collins Mix (The Best Of),'' Albert Collins;
``Boom Boom,'' John Lee Hooker; ``Blues Summit,'' B.B. King; ``Dancing
The Blues,'' Taj Mahal; ``The Alligator Records 20th Anniversary Tour,''
various artists.
	Contemporary blues album: ``Mystic Mile,'' Robben Ford and the Blue
Line; ``Feels Like Rain,'' Buddy Guy; ``Wake Up Call,'' John Mayall; 
``Muddy Waters Blues -- A Tribute To Muddy Waters,'' Paul Rodgers; ``Hey,
Where's Your Brother?'' Johnny Winter.
	Traditional folk album: ``The Celtic Harp,'' The Chieftains; 
``Melody, Rhythm & Harmony,'' Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares; ``Friend Of
Mine,'' Bill Morrissey and Greg Brown; ``Ancestral Voices,'' R. Carlos
Nikai and William Eaton with the Black Lodge Singers; ``Trace Of Time,''
Steve Riley and the Mamou Playboys; ``Our Town,'' Jody Stecher and Kate
Brislin.
	Contemporary folk album: ``La Danse De La Vie,'' Beausoleil; ``Fat
City,'' Shawn Colvin; ``Good As I Been To You,'' Bob Dylan; ``Spinning
Around The Sun,'' Jimmie Dale Gilmore; ``Other Voices/Other Rooms,''
Nanci Griffith; ``Breaking Silence,'' Janis Ian.
	Reggae album: ``Mystical Truth,'' Black Uhuru; ``The World Should
Know,'' Burning Spear; ``Inner Circle,'' Bad Boys; ``Joys And Blues,''
Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers; ``Fe Real,'' Maxi Priest.
	World music album: ``Heat, Dust & Dreams,'' Johnny Clegg and Savuka;
``A Meeting By The River,'' Ry Cooder and V.M. Bhatt; ``Deep Forest,''
Deep Forest; ``A World Out Of Time Vol 2.,'' Henry Kaiser and David
Lindley; ``From Bulgaria With Love,'' Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares.
	Polka album: ``A New Batch Of Polkas,'' Eddie Blazonczyk's
Versatones; ``Most Requested Hits,'' Lenny Gomulka and the Chicago Push;
``Accordionally Yours,'' Walter Ostanek and His Band; ``Polka Music Fan,
'' Polka Family Band; ``Saturday Night Polka,'' Jimmy Starr and His
Orchestra.
	Musical album for children: ``Aladdin'' soundtrack; ``Barney's
Favorites, Vol. 1,'' Barney & Friends; ``The Muppet Christmas Carol''
soundtrack, the Muppets; ``Peter Paul & Mommy, Too,'' Peter Paul and
Mary; ``Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas'' soundtrack,
various artists.
	Spoken word album for children: ``Aladdin Sound and Story Theater,''
various artists; ``Audrey Hepburn's Enchanted Tales,'' Audrey Hepburn; 
``Brer Rabbit and Boss Lion,'' Danny Glover and Dr. John; ``Did I Ever
Tell You How Lucky You Are?'' John Cleese; ``The Muppet Christmas Carol
Story Album,'' the Muppets with Michael Caine and others.
	Spoken word or non-musical album: ``Bound For Glory,'' Arlo Guthrie;
``Howards End,'' Emma Thompson; ``Miles: The Autobiography,'' LeVar
Burton; ``Mr. & Mrs. Bridge,'' Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward; ``On The
Pulse Of Morning,'' Maya Angelou.
	Spoken comedy album: ``Jammin' In New York,: George Carlin; ''Lake
Wobegon USA,`` Garrison Keillor; ''Leslie Nielsen The Naked Truth,``
Leslie Nielsen; ''A Marriage Made In Heaven Or Too Tired For An Affair,``
Erma Bombeck; ''You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, And Doggone It,
People Like You!`` Al Franken.
	Musical show album: ``Bernstein: On The Town,'' various artists,
composer Leonard Bernstein, lyricists Betty Comden and Adolph Green; 
``Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat,'' Michael Damian and
cast, composer Andrew Lloyd Webber, lyricist Tim Rice; ``Kiss Of The
Spider Woman,'' original cast, composer John Kander, lyricist Fred Ebb;
``Sondheim: A Celebration At Carnegie Hall,'' various artists, composer
and lyricist Stephen Sondheim; ``The Who's Tommy Original Cast
Recording,'' original cast, composer and lyricist Pete Townshend.
	Instrumental composition (artist's name in parentheses): ``Autumn,''
Dave Brubeck (Dave Brubeck, Chris Brubeck and Dan Brubeck); ``Bill
Evans,'' Lyle Mays (Lyle Mays); ``Blue Miles,'' Chick Corea (Chick Corea
Elektric Band II); ``Forever In Love,'' Kenny G (Kenny G); ``Half Life
Of Absolution,'' Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays (Pat Metheny Group).
	Instrumental composition written for motion picture or television: 
``The Age Of Innocence'' album, Elmer Bernstein; ``Aladdin'' album, Alan
Menken; ``The Firm'' album, Dave Grusin; ``Jurassic Park'' album, John
Williams; ``A River Runs Through It'' album, Mark Isham.
	Song written for motion picture or television (artist's name in
parentheses): ``Friend Like Me'' from ``Aladdin,'' Alan Menken and
Howard Ashman (Robin Williams); ``I Don't Wanna Fight'' from ``What's
Love Got to Do With It,'' Steve DuBerry, Lulu and Billy Lawrie (Tina
Turner); ``I Have Nothing'' from ``The Bodyguard,'' David Foster and
Linda Thompson (Whitney Houston); ``Run To You'' from ``The Bodyguard,''
Allan Rich and Jud Friedman (Whitney Houston); ``A Whole New World
(Aladdin's theme)'' from ``Aladdin,'' Alan Menken and Tim Rice (Peabo
Bryson and Regina Belle).
	Music video, short form: ``Human Behavior,'' Bjork; ``Steam,'' Peter
Gabriel; ``Beautiful Girl,'' INXS; ``Everybody Hurts,'' R.E.M.; 
``Runaway Train,'' Soul Asylum.
	Music video, long form: ``Canadian Brass: Home Movies,'' Canadian
Brass; ``Miles & Quincy Live At Montreux,'' Miles Davis and Quincy
Jones; ``Rocky World,'' Daniel Lanois; ``Ten Summoner's Tales,'' Sting;
``Three Phase,'' Tangerine Dream; ``A Celebration -- A Musical Tribute To
The Spirit Of The Disabled American Veteran,'' Travis Tritt.
	Arrangement, instrumental (artist's name in parentheses): ``Mood
Indigo,'' Dave Grusin (Dave Grusin); ``Oleo,'' Michael Abene (GRP All-
Star Big Band); ``Buleria,'' Vince Mendoza (Vince Mendoza and Arif
Mardin); ``Suite Fraternidad'' 1st and 2nd movements, Arif Mardin,
(Vince Mendoza and Arif Mardin); Dizzy Gillespie Fireworks,`` Lalo
Schifrin (Lalo Schifrin).
	Instrumental arrangement accompanying vocals (artist's name in
parentheses): ``When I Fall In Love,'' Jeremy Lubbock (Celine Dion and
Clive Griffin); ``I Have Nothing,'' David Foster and Jeremy Lubbock
(Whitney Houston); ``Santa's Comin' To Town,'' Gary Hines (The Sounds of
Blackness); ``Luck Be A Lady,'' Jeremy Lubbock (Barbra Streisand); 
``Some Enchanted Evening,'' Johnny Mandel and David Foster (Barbra
Streisand).
	Recording package (art director's award, artist's name in
parentheses): ``The Complete Billie Holliday On Verve 1945-1959,'' David
Lau (Billie Holiday); ``Live & Loud,'' David Coleman (Ozzy Ozbourne); 
``Shine On,'' Storm Thorgerson and Stylorouge (Pink Floyd); ``Automatic
For The People'' 2nd set, Tom Recchion, Michael Stipe, Jeff Gold and Jim
Ladwig (R.E.M.); ``14 Songs,'' Kim Champagne and Jeff Gold (Paul
Westerberg).
	Album notes (writer's award, artist's name in parentheses): ``The
Complete Billie Holiday On Verve 1949-1959,'' Buck Clayton, Phil Schaap
and Joel E. Siegel (Billie Holiday); ``King Of The Blues,'' Colin Escott
(B.B. King); ``The Complete Riverside Recordings,'' Orrin Keepnews and
Jim Ferguson (Wes Montgomery); ``Elvis From Nashville To Memphis, The
Essential '60s Masters I,'' Peter Guralnick (Elvis Presley); ``Sounds
From The South -- A Musical Journey From The Georgia Sea Islands To The
Mississippi Delta Recorded In The Field By Alan Lomax,'' Alan Lomax and
Robert Palmer (various artists).
	Historical album: ``Noel Coward: The Master's Voice -- His HMV
Recordings 1928-1953,'' Sheridan Morley, compilation producer; ``Bing --
His Legendary Years 1931-1957,'' Andy McKaie and Steven Lasker,
compilation producers; ``The Complete Billie Holiday On Verve 1945-1959,
'' Michael Lang and Phil Schaap, compilation producers; ``Frank Sinatra
-- The Columbia Years 1943-1952,'' Didier C. Deutsch, compilation editor;
``The Monterey International Pop Festival,'' Stephen K. Peeples and
Geoff Gans, compilation producers.
	Engineer award (artist's name in parentheses): ``janet.,'' Steve
Hodge and Dave Rideau (Janet Jackson); ``Lam Toro,'' Cesar Sogbe and Joe
Galdo (Baaba Maal); ``Race Against The Machine,'' Andy Wallace, Stan
Katayama and G.G. Garth (Race Against the Machine); ``Wes Bound,'' Don
Murray (Lee Ritenour); ``Ten Summoner's Tales,'' Hugh Padgham (Sting).
	Producer of the year: Walter Afanasieff; Tony Brown; Bruce Fairbairn;
David Foster; Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis; Hugh Padgham.
	Classical album: ``Bartok: The Wooden Prince and Cantata Profana,''
conductor Pierre Boulez, Chicago Symphony Orchestra and Chorus, tenor
John Aler, baritone John Tomlinson, producer Karl-August Naegler; 
``Berg: Violin Concerto'' and ``Time Chant,'' conductor James Levine,
Chicago Symphony Orchestra, violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter, producer
Christopher Alder; ``Debussy: Le Martyre De Saint Sebastien,'' conductor
Michael Tilson Thomas, London Symphony, producer Andreas Neubronner; 
``If You Love Me,'' soprano Cecilia Bartoli, pianist Gyorgy Fischer,
producer Christopher Raeburn; ``Venetian Vespers,'' conductor Paul
McCreesh, Gabrieli Consort and Players, producer Ben Turner.
	Orchestral award: ``Barber: Adagio, Symphony No.1, The School For
Scandal, Essays,'' conductor David Zinman, Baltimore Symphony; ``Bartok:
The Wooden Prince,'' conductor Pierre Boulez, Chicago Symphony
Orchestra; ``Debussy: Images, Printemps, Prelude A L'Apres-midi D'un
Faune,'' conductor Pierre Boulez, Cleveland Orchestra; ``Ives: Symphony
No.3, Three Places In New England, The Unanswered Question, Central Park
In The Dark...,'' conductor Leonard Slatkin, St. Louis Symphony.  Opera
recording: ``Adams: The Death of Klinghoffer,'' conductor Kent Negano,
soloists Maddalena, Hammons, Sylvan, Friedman and Nadler, producer John
McClure; ``Britten: Gloriana,'' conductor Sir Charles Mackerras,
soloists Barstow, Langridge, Opie, Kenny, Jones, Summers, Van Allen,
Terfel, White, Shirley-Quirk and Ainsley, producers Andrew Cornall and
Morten Winding; ``Gluck: Iphigenie En Tauride,'' conductor Ricardo Muti,
soloists Vaness, Allen, Winbergh, Surian, Brunet, producer David
Mottely; ``Handel: Semele,'' conductor John Nelson, soloists Battle,
Horne, Ramey, Aler, McNair, Chance, Mackie and Doss, producer Steve
Paul; ``Prokofiev: War and Peace,'' conductor Valery Gergiev, soloists
Gergalov, Prokina, Gregoriam, Borodina, Marusin, Okhotnikov and Gerelo,
producer Erik Smith.
	Choral work performance: ``Bartok: Cantata Profana,'' conductor
Pierre Boulez, Chicago Symphony and Chorus, director Margaret Hillis; 
``Brahms: German Requiem,'' conductor Roger Norrington, London Classical
Players and The Schultz Choir of London; ``Debussy: Le Martyre De Saint
Sebastien,'' conductor Michael Tilson Thomas, London Symphony Orchestra
and Chorus; ``Vaughan Williams: A Sea Symphony,'' conductor Leonard
Slatkin, The Philharmonia Orchestra and Chorus; ``Venetian Vespers,''
conductor Paul McCreesh, Gabrieli Consort and Players.
	Classical instrumental solo with orchestra: ``Berg: Violin Concerto,
Time Chant,'' violinist Annie-Sophie Mutter, Chicago Symphony Orchestra;
``Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1,'' pianist Stephen Kovacevich, London
Philharmonic; ``Copland: Clarinet Concerto...,'' clarinetist Richard
Stoltzman, London Symphony; ``Ravel: Piano Concerto For Left Hand...,''
pianist Leon Fleisher, Boston Symphony; ``Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto,''
violinist Gil Shaham, The Philharmonia Orchestra.  Classical instrumental
solo without orchestra: ``Alkan: Concerto For Piano,'' pianist Marc-
Andre Hamelin; ``Bach: Six French Suites,'' pianist Andras Schiff; 
``Barber: The Complete Solo Piano Music,'' pianist John Browning; 
``Beethoven: Piano Sonatas...,'' pianist Richard Goode; ``Leon Fleisher
Recital,'' pianist Leon Fleisher.
	Chamber music performance: ``Beethoven: Complete String Trios,''
violinist Itzhak Perlman, violist Pinchas Zukerman, cellist Lynn
Harrell; ``Faure: Piano Quartets,'' pianist Emanuel Ax, violinist Isaac
Stern, violist Jaime Laredo, cellist Yo-Yo Ma; ``Ives: String Quartets,''
Emerson String Quartet; ``Martinu: Cello Sonatas,'' cellist Janos
Starker, pianist Rudolf Firkusny; ``Prokofiev: Violin Sonatas,''
violinist Gidon Kremer, pianist Martha Argerich.
	Classical vocal performance: ``The Art Of Arleen Auger'' (works of
Larsen, Purcell, Schumann, Mozart), soprano Arleen Auger; 
``Dvorak/Janacek/Martinu: Lieder,'' soprano Gabriela Benackova; 
``Exsultate Jubilate'' (works of Handel, Mozart), soprano Sylvia McNair;
``Farewell To Salzburg'' (works of Brahms, Mahler, Schumann, Strauss)
contralto Christa Ludwig; ``Grieg: Lieder,'' soprano Anne Sofie von
Otter.
	Contemporary composition: ``Orphee-Serenade,'' William Bolcom; 
``Violin Concerto,'' Elliott Carter; ``Cello Concerto,'' Donald Erb; ``A
Way A Lone,'' Toru Takemitsu; ``Byzantium,'' Michael Tippett.
	Classical engineering: ``Adams: The Death Of Klinghoffer,'' Henk
Jansen (The Orchestra of the Opera de Lyon); ``Bartok: The Wooden Prince
and Cantata Profana,'' Rainer Maillard (Chicago Symphony, Chorus and
soloists); ``Debussy: Le Martyre De Saint Sebastien,'' Marcus Herzog
(London Symphony, Chorus and soloists; ``Haydn: The Creation,'' Jack
Renner (Atlanta Symphony and Chamber Chorus); ``Tangazo -- Music Of Latin
America,'' Colin Moorfoot (The New World Symphony).
	Classical producer: Andrew Cornall, Michael Haas, Judith Sherman,
Adam Stern, Robina G. Young.

> Alternative album, vocal or instrumental: ``Star,'' Belly; ``In Utero,'' 
> Nirvana; ``Automatic For The People,'' R.E.M.; ``Siamese Dream, '' 
Smashing Pumpkins; ``Zooropa,'' U2.

REM and U2 are alternative??? They seem pretty mainstream nowadays to me.....

> R&B performance, duo or group with vocal: ``Let It Snow,'' Boyz II Men; 
> ``Sunday Morning,'' Earth, Wind & Fire; ``Give It Up, Turn It Loose,'' 
> En Vogue; ``No Ordinary Love,'' Sade; ``Anniversary,'' Tony!Toni!Tone!

This kills me... since when is Sade a duo or group???  

> Instrumental arrangement accompanying vocals (artist's name in parentheses): 
> ``When I Fall In Love,'' Jeremy Lubbock (Celine Dion and Clive Griffin); 
> ``I Have Nothing,'' David Foster and Jeremy Lubbock (Whitney Houston); 
> ``Santa's Comin' To Town,'' Gary Hines (The Sounds of Blackness); ``Luck Be 
> A Lady,'' Jeremy Lubbock (Barbra Streisand); ``Some Enchanted Evening,'' 
> Johnny Mandel and David Foster (Barbra Streisand).

I know the chances were slim, but I really think that John Paul Jones (ex-Zep)
deserves a nomination for this work on REM's "Automatic With The People".
Listen to the string arragements on there, it's fabulous!

> Engineer award (artist's name in parentheses): ``janet.,'' Steve Hodge and 
> Dave Rideau (Janet Jackson); ``Lam Toro,'' Cesar Sogbe and Joe Galdo (Baaba 
> Maal); ``Race Against The Machine,'' Andy Wallace, Stan Katayama and G.G. 
> Garth (Race Against the Machine); ``Wes Bound,'' Don Murray (Lee Ritenour); 
> ``Ten Summoner's Tales,'' Hugh Padgham (Sting).

"Race Against The Machine"??? Freudian slip, or what???  8^)

alan

    
    
    	One of the awards shows (not sure which one) is presenting
    	Whitney Houston with a Lifetime Achievement Award.  Gack.
    	She's only been around for 10 years or so!  Not to mention
    	that despite the fact that I like her voice and her music,
    	I find her personality incredibly annoying.
    
    	And where's Bon Jovi on that list?!  ;)  ;)
    
    	JJ
    

    
    
    	RE: JJ
    
    	Was it lifetime achievement?  I thought it was some sort
    	of merit something or other.
    
    	tigg~~~

    Anybody hear the "Howard Stern" coverage of the Grammies?
    
    I love this guy who makes an ass/pain of himself with pointed questions
    like this one to Roy Rodgers:
    
    	"Roy, I found a rubber glove in my roast beef sandwhich.
    	 Doesn't that suck?"
    
    I'm sure I'm not the only who finds absolutely no value or talent in
    anything related to Howard Stern and yet who feels compelled to listen
    when I happen by it on the radio.
    
    	db

    I couldn't help notice the complete absense of Dream Theater...
    
>	Hard rock with vocal: ``Highway To Hell,'' AC/DC; ``Leave It Alone,''
>Living Colour; ``Calling To You,'' Robert Plant; ``Cherub Rock,''
>Smashing Pumpkins; ``Plush,'' Stone Temple Pilots.
    
    "Highway to Hell"????  That song's at *least* 10-12 years old!  How is
    it just coming up for awards now???
    
>	Metal with vocal: ``Fear Of The Dark,'' Iron Maiden; ``Angry Again,''
>Megadeth; ``I Don't Want To Change The World,'' Ozzy Osbourne; 
>``Institutionalized,'' Suicidal Tendencies; ``Thunder Kiss '65,'' White
>Zombie.
    
    Um...likewise with that Maiden song, I thought it came out in like '91
    or '92?
    
    
    re: Alan
    
    Actually, I thought "Zooropa" was the most "alternative" think that
    U2's done in years...
    
    Greg

    
    	RE: Greg
    
    	AC/DC and Iron Maiden have both put out live albums in the last
    	year.
    
    							GTI

    First I've heard of it.  I've never heard any version of HtH other then
    the original, and haven't heard that Maiden song since the album it
    came out on was originally released (and then only maybe twice).
    
    I thought these awards things were about rewarding current work?
    
    Greg

    Re: Howard Stern
    
    This really is a great country. Where else could someone with no
    talent, no looks, no charm make millions by living out the fantasies
    of a 15 year old boy?

> I thought these awards things were about rewarding current work?

Ha!!! You must not have been paying attention two years ago when they awarded 
the 'Best Song Of The Year' award to Nat King Cole for "Unforgettable", even
though it was written like 50 years ago....

alan

>    Ha!!! You must not have been paying attention two years ago when...
    
    I rarely pay much attention to awards shows!
    
    gh

    re -2. Only in America...God Bless America no more!! But don't worry
    Bill and Hillary will bring us back to prosperity...
    
                    stig

    ......best line of last nights grammys uttered by stephen tyler who
    after performing 'living on the edge' in his usual rocknroll attire
    and before accepting their award said 'you can't believe how much it
    cost to look this cheap'...............the guy kills me....;")....frank
    sinatra and bono were so  embarrassing to watch i had to turn it
    off.../k

I thought Frank was simply at a loss for words, which didn't keep him from
saying things anyway...  Too bad - he really seemed moved by the award.

Bono says the F-word looking cute as ever - Hey Bono, that trick was done by
Slash and was much funnier then since he didn't try to do it on purpose...

STP wins HM song - I agree...  There was too much Whitney to suit me...

Tim

    
    
         Do you know the difference between Bono and God???
    
    
         God does not think he is Bono!
    
    
    
                                                *B*

> There was too much Whitney to suit me...
    
    I'm with ya, Tim, WAY too much!  An uncontrollable, writhing, cring ran
    up my spine everytime they played that horrid clip "I-e-i-e-i will
    a-a-a-a-wa-aaa-aaa-s love ewe-ooo-oo-oo".  Yike!  Makes me want to hurl
    just *thinking* about it!  
    
    Greg

    
    
    WOW You guys watched the Whitney Awards TOO?!!!!

    
    Whitney sux, Dolly Roolz!

>    WOW You guys watched the Whitney Awards TOO?!!!!
    
    I'm afraid so...

    
    	I couldn't believe the audacity Whitney had to turn to
    	Dolly (who's hairbrained idea was it to have her present
    	that award anyway?!) and thank her for writing such a 
    	beautiful song.  I've heard nothing but Whitney being little
    	miss snot-nose about it since she did the song!  I like her
    	voice but she personally makes me ill.
    

    ...and they say I don't have a life.