Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Allman Bros.
    Jimi Hendrix
    Lynard Skynard
    Stones
    Zep
    Beattles
    Doors
    Doobie Bros.
    Aerosmith
    KIss
    AC/DC
    Janis Joplin
    ZZ top
    Supertramp
    Elton JOhn
    Nazereth
    Peter Frampton
    "the" Eric Clapton
    Edgar/Johnny Winter
    
    And the list goes on and on and on ...........
    
    I'm wit' you man!
    
    -kev

    No you can't really say that as music critique is purely subjective.
    Although there are exceptions people will usually claim a certain
    period was the best because they grew up at that time. Personally that 
    period (extend it up until '84) is my favourite. There just seemed to
    be a lot more apparent creativity especially with British bands i.e.
    The Who, The Stones, Floyd, Genesis, Led Zep, Yes, Humble Pie, Free,
    Sabbath, ELP, Thin Lizzy (Irish/US/Scots I know) Sabbaff, UFO, Alex 
    Harvey to name but a few.
    
    Although there were a few bad production jobs on some of these artists'
    offerrings I must admit to preferring analogue over digital recordings
    any day. The sound is so much warmer and bassy. 
    
    barry.
    

    ABBA was the best band EVER!

re .0

You can't really make a statement like that, IMO.  The problem these days is 
that record companies will give a contract to any old crap.  In the 60s and 
70s, far fewer bands made it into the "bigtime", whereas these days, there seem 
to be thousands.  I must confess to being disillusioned by a lot of the current 
music (mainly the US stuff, but maybe that's just my tastes changing).  There 
are too many Bon Jovis, too many Napalm Deaths, too many Metallicas etc.  

The sort of band I'm into at the moment is the type that take the 60s and 70s 
stuff, and bring it up to date.  Examples, would be (most notably) the 
WiLDHEARTS, umm....Supergrass, Suede, blah blah.  Few bands do anything new, 
these days, so I just go for the ones who are open about their influences, and 
who mix everything together in the most original way.  Trent Reznor and his 
peers deserve a pat on the back for trying something different, but the rest of 
it has been done before.  I dislike Green Day with a passion usually reserved 
for the Spin Doctors.  I've always been a "Manic Street Preachers" fan, and 
Green Day appear to be the poor man's alternative.  Maybe they just notice that 
the Manics were pretty good, but knew that the Americans would never buy a 
British band's CD in any numbers, so they had a go themselves.  Bands like Bush 
seem to be copying stuff that appeared just a couple of years ago ("grunge"), 
and no-one wants to go forward.

Matt$cynical.

    
    RE: .3  Tim,
    
    How could you forget it was the Village People that did "Y.M.C.A."
    & they are actually still touring....
    
    /jen

Gee thanks, now I can sleep tonight

    
    	RE: Tim
    
    	Starland Vocal Band?
    
    	Eesh!!  One-hit wonder, and their hit was horrible.  8^)
    

re .7

Yeah, but keep your doors locked, and keep your back to the wall, so to speak.

    
    
    
    Is it true that ron's father ownes Eagle 93.7 ??????
    
    
                          ;^)
    
     							Dogg

    	For me, I thought the best period (for metal/hard rock) was
    the late 70's early 80's. These bands paved the way for Metal being
    acceptable/ playable on the radio.
    
    Motley Crue
    Ratt
    Quiet Riot
    Ozzy
    Judas Priest
    Iron Maiden
    Scorpions
    Kiss 
    AeroSmith
    Twisted Sister
    Van Halen             
    
    These guys revolutionized Hard Rock, they made it all possible for
    todays bands. Of course the earlier bands had impacts on these guys
    as well, but I felt this was one of the best era's, and also one
    of the biggest break through's. (Mind you I'm still young)
             
    I also think the whole scene, got over exploided, were there were
    alot of one hit wonders who did squat after that. And there were
    tons of LA Glam bands, and now were going through the same situation
    with the Seattle scene. Something else will come along. 
    
    Bobby T

    
    Pick any era, and there's gems and a whole lot of shiite. What
    you get fed on the radio tends to be the shiite because, IMO,
    since there's never a shortage of stupid people, the music
    demographics get formed around them. Classic rock programming
    is a _classic_ example (oh, I really _need_ to hear Stairway
    to Heaven again!)
    
    Even today, there's some gems. There's totally fabulous music
    out there, for those willing to look for it. And there's also
    a lot of shiite, to account for the thunderously stupid segment
    of generation X (every generation has them... and Seattle is
    pretty much the answer for the current flock.)
    
    The bottom line is, if your musical tastes are driven by the
    radio... well at least you're part of something I guess (see
    above)... but if you're willing to get off your lazy arse and
    go looking for good music, it's out there... in spades!!
    
    So, like, go effin' look! :-)
    
    -b

    I also agree that each time period has its best (and worst) examples in
    rock music. Early '70 heavy rock bands (Deep Purple, Led Zep, Black
    Sabbath, Uriah Heep, to name few) were founders and have later
    evoluated to a broader range, Black Sabbath being quite a purist of
    future heavy metal. Kiss is one of the main promoters of a more
    accessible and still purelly heavy rock to become later heavy metal.
    But it's in the eighties that, in my opinion, current heavy metal has
    taken off. Thrash is purely eighties style, for example. 
    Bands like Queensryche, Metallica, Slayer (to name only few) are among
    the best HM bands and they brought something new for their time.
    Scorpions comes from the seventies but has reached its top succes in
    80ies. Iron Maiden is also a reference for the eighties.
    I think that the eighties represent the recognition of heavy metal as
    a well established musical genre.
    It's interesting that progressive rock (very appreciated in the late
    sixties/early seventies) has been continued in some way in 80/90 by a 
    progressive metal equivalent. Early roots of heavy rock were also mixed
    in some cases to progressive rock.
    
    Sorin    

    >It's interesting that progressive rock (very appreciated in the late
    >sixties/early seventies) has been continued in some way in 80/90 by a 
    >progressive metal equivalent. Early roots of heavy rock were also mixed
    >in some cases to progressive rock.

    True, there's the entirely new vibe from the likes of Dream Theater,
    and then there's even some of the older denizens of prog rock doing
    a more modern thing (which includes metal): e.g. King Crimson and
    the Trevor Rabin incarnation of Yes.

    -b

    A couple of notes:
    
    - Rumor has it that Trevor Rabin is out and Howe and Wakeman are back
      in Yes.
    
    - Deep Purple is about to get a major league resurgence - they hired
      longtime Clapton fan Steve Morse.
    
    - Dream Theater is about the only "gem" I've discovered in the last
      15 years.  

    really was thinking of the way music sounded today..
    live... in the early days.. woodstock, isle of white? man??..
    the music was for music and there was not too much of computer
    keyboard stored music in the background.. that was real music
    ..today...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    > - Deep Purple is about to get a major league resurgence - they hired
    >   longtime Clapton fan Steve Morse.
    
    Just like the Kansas "major league resurgance?"  :^)
    
    > - Dream Theater is about the only "gem" I've discovered in the last
    >   15 years.  

    Dave, come on, no way I believe that one.  
    
    - Sean

    >  Just like the Kansas "major league resurgance?"  :^)
    
    Hey, the "Power" tour was the biggest tour since Kerry Livgren left the
    band.   And IMHO their best album since then too.  They definitely
    "resurged" although not to the level they achieved with the radio
    hits like "Dust".
    
    I wouldn't expect Morse to provide them with radio hits.  Wouldn't want
    it either.
    
    >  Dave, come on, no way I believe that one.
    
    I sure can't think of any other new band that's come along that I would
    compare to them even on a handicap basis.   Please tell me that I'm
    just forgetting about some other good band - I'd love to hear that
    but... darned if I can think of any.

    
    >     just forgetting about some other good band - I'd love to hear that
    >     but... darned if I can think of any.

    You are.  Soulhat, from Austin, Texas.  Their second CD, "Good To Be
    Gone" has probably become my all-time favorite recording.  Their
    debut is pretty good, but GTBG is sheer musicianship at its peak.
    It rocks, its funky, it boogies, the lyrics are perfect, the production is
    impeccable, and the musicians pay attention to detail like I've only
    seen in Steely Dan.
    
    Have you tried the Tragically Hip?  They are another piece of
    brilliance.
    
    Now I'm a big 70's fan (King Crimson, Kinks, Moodies, Steely Dan,
    Creedence), but there are still about a dozen other bands I've really
    grown to love that are new and even sometimes popular.  You don't
    like Primus?
    
    - Sean
    
    

Are you forgetting your ex? Dave?

    > Are you forgetting your ex? Dave?    Mariah Carey?
    
    Yes, I'm trying to forget her.

    What About The Good_Rats???   :_)

    Mickey Marcello is God

    ABBA!

    
    "We suck"
    
    -b

Huh, huh huh....

Tim

    
    Like is that like that  "we are the champions" Song ?
    
    huh huh ....huh...
    
    /Sax
    

    RE: .11
    Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister.  Lord have mercy on your soul.
    You can,t be serious.  Those bands had to have played the worst drivel 
    I've ever heard. SICK,SICK,SICK I TELL YOU

    
    	Twisted Sister ROOLZ!!  Dee Snider is a great frontman, and the
    	band was actually OK for what they did.  Individually, they're
    	all mediocre ... but the whole is definitely better than the sum
    	of the parts in this case!!
    

    
    re-1
    
    Dee was a great front man but on the whole the band sucked!
    
    
    
    							ian

	Didn't Dee turn into Howard Stearn?

    
    	I've never seen them in the same room at the same time, so it's
    	possible.
    

    I saw Twisted Sister open for the Good Rats back in the clubs in
    New Jersey.
    
    My friends and I thought they sucked so bad that for years to come,
    whenever we saw a bad band we'd jokingly say:
    
    	"Well...  they're no Twisted Sister".
    
    But... I will admit, the "I Wanna Rock" video was funny if not musical.
    
    	db

    RE: way back when...
    
    ABBA roolz forever and supreme, Brian ... DON'T FORGET IT!!!

    >> - Dream Theater is about the only "gem" I've discovered in the last
    >>   15 years.  

    >Dave, come on, no way I believe that one.  
    
    Well, still can't remember any I was aware of when I wrote that note
    (maybe I "discovered" Van Halen less than 15 years ago but...).
    
    But the latest "gem" I've discovered is definitely "Bela Fleck and the
    Flecktones".
    
    	db

    67_Thru_77 wre The Best Years_of_My_Life.
    Kindda Sad when I Don't Think I'll have Any Better.
    
    But to Mr.Tessier...  QR and TS Helped me Release Mucho_Stress by 
    Breakin Thangs.
    
      Crazy_Try_It.You_Might_Like_It_Al

    
    AL AL AL....what is this "the best days are behind me" stuff!
    
    C'mon now.  Every day is an opportunity for something wonderful!
    
    /jen

    Thanx fer The Up_Lift /jen
    
    And I Don't do Teddy_Bears.  :_)
    
    
      Crazy_Can_You_Introduce_Me_To_Liv_Tyler_Tho_Al????

    Al, Jen's right.  And a Teddy would help.
    More so than "Liv Taylor".
    
    Grammy
    

    May_Be yer Right..
    But I Still Want Liv.....   :_)