Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    I too would classify Europe as metal and think that John Norham is a
    pretty good guitarist.  I just can't stand to look at 'em, their vids
    make me wanna change channels (ASAP!).  They're too "glossy", like
    someone else said.  Esp the singer, don't know his name. 
    
    The music is ok, but for the most part doesn't do anything for me.
    Nothing very catchy or original to listen to.  In the same genre, I'm
    much rather listen to Poison.  They don't take themselves so serious
    and have some nice hooky songs.
                         
    Give me something to like, as Europe hasn't shown me anything so
    far.
        
    gh

    
    
    	I must admit that I liked Europe when they first came out
    	and I bought their album (didn't get much airplay on my
    	cassette though).
    	
    	BUT!  Although I also thought Joey Tempest was a cutie
    	when he first showed up, I don't like him now.  He's
    	all teeth and all eyes and very pretty.  Pretty meaning
    	WITHOUT makeup.  I just don't find him handsome...
    
    	They're an OK band, but their Final Countdown album
    	had something missing, IMO.
    
    	/tig!
    

    I too liked Europe when they first came out but, I bought "The Final
    Countdown" and Autograph's "Loud And Clear" on the same day.  Europe
    didn't get much stereo time at the Scaryhut for A WHILE.  To me
    Europe is like Poison, Autograph, White Lion, Tesla, and a bunch
    more that are ALUMINUM as opposed to METAL or even HEAVY METAL.
    It'll still hurt if ya get hit by it, it just won't leave any lasting
    impressions - like say Priest, now we're talking METAL of the heaviest
    variety !!!
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    
    I feel very much the same as those before me in this note, to start
    off with Europe's 'Final Countdown' was impressive but now it has
    died a death cos some of the tracks are catchy they just lack that
    certain staying power to get airplay for more than just a few months
    after release.
    
    Perhaps John Norum made the right move, cos i have his 'Total Control'
    album and it stands just as tall. In my opinion his version of 'Back
    On The Streets', originally by Vinnie Vincents Invasion, is much
    the better track.
    
    I have all three Europe albums, and the tracks Stormwind, Wings
    of Tomorrow and Seven Doors Hotel, knock the spots off anything
    on The Final Countdown. Check out Scream of Anger, helluva track,
    off their second album. I also agree the Kee Marcello is an excellent
    guitarist.
    
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    
    	   Europe... I have but one comment...
    
    	Weeeeeaaak!
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(So many opinions, so much apathy)

    
    
     This discussion on Europe made me think of something I read about
    Joey Tempest he said he doesn't like American musicians because
    all they think about is there Looks and not the song content.
    Ain't that a kick in the A*S.Other than that I like em.
    
    				M
    				 B
    

re: .1

>    	I think Europe is Metal.
>    
>    	If Poison, Cinderella, and Bon Jovi are, so is Europe.

Well, I don't think any of these bands are 'heavy metal', IMO. Not that
we can't discuss them in this file, because there is an obvious metal 
influence in their music. But again, IMO, they are NOT metal!

cat
who_likes_some_of_these_bands,_but_let's_not_get_confused_here_

    I hate generic, lipgloss bands.
    
    If they don't have anything new to say, or if they can't even copy
    everyone else *well*, then I say they should give it up.
    
    There really is too much mediocrity.  I have no tolerance.
    
    It's like, ok, we have our lether pants, our frosted hair and our
    bubblegum wrapper songs, that must mean we're rock stars!  We *look*
    like rock stars, therefore we must be!
    
    Stacie

                     
      The present guitarist for Europe is Kee Marcello, a fellow Swede
    like the rest of the band.  John Norum played all the guitar tracks
    on the first and second Lp's including "The Final Countdown". John
    left the band due to differnces with the lead singer, Joey Tempest.
      
      When John left to pursue a solo career, they snatched up a popular
    guitarist over there by the names of Kee Marcello. Since John quit
    right before the tour, Kee had to learn all the stuff and fill in.
      
      The new album is the first time we can actually hear what Kee
    sounds like...i.e. his own style.  So far from the single that's
    out, (I forgot the name of It) he sounds pretty damn good.
      
    
     A fellow Europe fan,
          
          MjA

    	I just bought the new Europe album yesterday for a quick injection
    of roadmusic on my trip from OhiO. I really like the first album,
    and could stand listening to a few songs off the second album, but
    I must say I'm very impressed with the new album.  I've only listened
    to it twice, but the songs (maybe thanks to the influence of the
    new guitarist are much stronger and infinitely less -- um, 'happy'(?)
    than "Rock the Night" and "Final Countdown". Recommended for your
    listening pleasure!
    
    	One complaint - Joey Tempest overdoes the "Oooh Baby"'s and
    the "Oh Yeah"'s - they just aren't necessary;ask Geddy Lee!
    
    
    John
    

    
    
    How can Europe be classed as Metal - I take it that this note was
    meant as a joke. ( A bad one at that! )
    
    
    
    				Bonzo

    
    Hey, I think Europe is the best thing to happen to metal since 
    Ozzy and the Sabs!  These guys rock, and rock HARD!!  They are
    so heavy, I can't see why any *serious* Metalhead would not
    worship this band like I do!
    
    Rock on,
    Buck

    RE: -.2
    Agagagagagagagagaaaaa...
    
    RE: -.3
    Pop Metal = Commercial metal = ...
    
    Capice ?
    jc

    
        Europe isn't real heavy, but I still think they border on
        H_M.
    
        'Superstitious' is a kick-*ss song.
    
                                                       GTI

    Europe and the rest of the P*p-Metal (Isn't P*P considered profanity
    in this note?) like Bon Jovi, Ratt, Cinderella and Poison are not
    real Metal.  It's just Loud P*P, which is geared to appeal to 14,15,
    and 16 year old females (Not intended as an insult to women of course
    ;-))  They really all sound the same and make REAL Metalheads blow
    chunks!!!!!
    
    Bill
    

    I saw Europe on the MTV concert tonight - and even though they are
    as pop as Dr. Pepper they are VERY talented musicians, I MUST give
    credit where it's due.  They are good in "their" field which IS
    pop-rock.  I must admit I had to have a dose of Death Angel on the
    way into work !  "Cherokee" kept playing over in my head.
    
    
    				Scary

Announced in mid-september on Epic and produced by Beau Hill, the new album is
called "Prisoners of Paradise"

Didier

    
    
    oh no, the poseur band comes back to life after 5 years :')
    
    

    I *like* Europe!!
    
    John Norum (ex git player) was cool

       Not that I really care but I saw Wayne C's favorite band,
    Europe, on VH1 yesterday.  It was ummmmmm  "The Final Countdown"
    I think...   I didn't get to ask /wc what happened to them so
    does anyone know what happened to them.
    
    BJ

    They got dragged to the tar pits by their ever so loverly hair!
    
    
    They are / were a lousyband IMHO...
    
    Bonzo

    They were too pretty for their own good (or ours).  They were
    slaughtered by jealous uglies who could not live up to their standard
    of beauty.

    I saw in a newspaper a couple of weeks ago that they plan to get
    together with John Norum again and begin to write and play again.
    Don't know how much truth there is in it but....
    
    
    
    /P-J

    >I saw in a newspaper a couple of weeks ago that they plan to get
    >together with John Norum again and begin to write and play again.
    >Don't know how much truth there is in it but....
    
    ROOLIN!!!

    
    
    	Dats cool.

    STOOLIN!!

    Europe (The band) have really went down hill since they formed!  Here
    they were, an up and comming rock band, who couldn't cut it, so
    produced such classic chunk blowers as "The Final Countdown".
    
    what can you expect from a band whose vocalist has the term "Tempest"
    as a name.....!
    
    
    Bleck!
    
    bonzo

    
    
    
    In my best butthead voice..
    
    "No! Stop, in the name of all that does not suck!"
    
    

That's too funny Greg...

    FWIW Europe seem to have a greatest hits compilation CD out recently.
    
    Giles.

    	What is it, a one song disc???
    
    Bobby T

Yeah 

The Final Countdown 1..0

Tim

    I like that....snigger...
    
    Giles.

    	After John Norum left the band,It all went downhill from there.
    Europe wanted to be Popy and Norum wanted to be heavier.
    
    		John Norum Smokes on Solo's
    	
    						Pierre
    

    Pierre, what does "Popy" mean?
    
    
    Peter

    
    	I read it as "poppy", like pop-ish, like Top 40.
    

     they're sheeit. !!!
    

    John Norums solo album after he quit was actually quite good IMO.
    
    Giles.

	dahdahdah dah.. dahdahdah dah dah.... 

    
    
    re-1
    
    eh?whats that supposed to be?
    
    
    						ian

	Don't ya know your stinkin Europe songs?! 

    
    
    
    yes and I'm very proud of that fact! 
    
    
    you should be ashamed of yourself knowing dung like that!
    
    
    ian

    
    	I knew what it was, Whitpose.
    

    
    
    thats no compliment! 8)
    
    						ian

    My theory as to why Europe kinda disappeared for a while is that
    the their over usage of hair styling products, over the course of years,
    built up to be such an enormous weight, that they were
    trapped underneath their own chemically damaged hair for years. :)
    
    But I did like their Final Countdown album a lot.
    Yeh what was their other song, the slow one they had that started out,
    
    ding ding dah ding,
      dah dah dah ding,
    ding ding dah ding...ding,
      la dahdah dahdah dahdah ding dong
        dah dah ding dong
    	  dah dah ding dong   
    
    or something like that. 
    
    Shane, who thought their guitar player ruled...heard him play Flight of
    the Bumblebee as a guitar solo...it rocked.
                                                                         

    
    I never heard John Noram but I heard the guy who replaced him and he
    was very good!
    
    
    					ian

    John Noram is an excellent player and one of my favourites!  He plays a
    strat thru a 50wt Marshall and gets that real Euro metal sound ala
    His Majesty Herr Schenker!

    
    	RE: Shane
    
    	Was it "Carrie"?
    
    
    	I liked "Rock the Night" [or so I think that's what it was called].
    

    Re: .59
     Shawn,  yup that was it.  Carrie.  Yeh I used to know how to play
    that whole song on piano...it and final countdown cuz I liked
    the keyboard parts.
    
    Shane, who should dust off the keyboard and play it again sometime

    
    Hmmm - I can play "Final Countdown" on the keys.  Thats freaky...
    
    jc

    Re: .61
    
    yeh freaky..and for some reason I also learned the keyboard solo to 
    'Cherokee' too.  Dunno guess I was bored when I was growin up.  Let's see
    when that album came out I was hmmm...14 ?  :)
    
    $10

    
    thats nothing to be proud of! 8)
    
    
    					ian

    Carrie
    ------
    
    When lights go down
    I see no reason
    for you to cry
    we've been through this before
    in every time
    in every season
    god knows I've tried
    so please don't ask for more
    
    can't you see it in my eyes?
    that this might be our last goodbye...

    
    
    ....  :-(
    
      I didn't know you cared ?   ;-)
    
    /Sax
    

    
    	You all must go out and buy "Europe 1982-1992" to see what these
    	guys are capable of besides "Carrie" and "The Final Countdown".
    
    	Some RIPPIN' guitar work from these guys on the 1st couple al-
    	bums, for sure.  1 song borders on speed metal, but I forgot
    	what the name of it was.
    

    John Norum was a good player!
    
    
    
    					ian