Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    I want this station ! I dont have it....
    
    SueJ

    
    What cable system you on?  and what channel is it?
    
    /jen

    It's Channel 69 here on the local Maynard cable system (don't know who
    the vendor is?!)

    Muchmusic is good, but not as good as it used to be. Many years ago, a
    real good VJ named J.D. Roberts was the main guy. He jumped to the U.S.
    to do real news. He's a reporter for CBS now and he's known as John
    Roberts. There used to be a show called 'Power Hour' and he was the
    host. The only one to ask intelligent questions too. 
    Nowadays however, things are turning more to the teenybopers and dance
    music buffs. 
    Special programs like Power 30 and the Wedge would be more to the
    liking of most noters here. They do have interesting shows like 'Clip
    Trip' where you get to see music from all over the world. ( I don't
    know if MTV does the same.)
    On weekends, they have 'Start Me Up' which is straight ahead
    rock-n-roll. 
    
    There is a French station called Musique Plus which is good too, if you
    can get through the language. It's the same thing, only for the French
    population of Canada.
    
    All in all if any of you can get Muchmusic you won't be disappointed.
    
    Dave
    
    
    

    Gee I find this really funny, cause after living in Cali for 6 years
    and having MTV, then coming back up north to MuchMusic.......I say you
    guys down south have the better end of the stick. That is unless the
    Headbangers Ball is no longer.
    
    MUCH plays WAY too much Canadian music (not very patriotic of me) and
    IMHO most of it is CRAP!! Mind you I havn't seen MTV for about 3 years
    now, so I assume it has changed.
    
    Either way unlike my cohort (re:-1) I say if you don't get it....Don't
    go changing cable companies just to see it.
    
    Paully 

    RE: Paully and Dave,
    
    Well, I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the
    fence ... but I can tell you that MTV has gone right down the shitter,
    esp. in the last couple of years.
    
    HBB -- it's only on once a week, and in the middle of the damn night
    (midnight)!  Also, they don't play much obscure metal videos -- they
    play AC/DC, Iron Maiden and all the "popular" bands and their "hit"
    videos.  
    
    What I liked about Muchmusic was that the Power 30 was on prime time,
    everyday, AND they play obscure videos that you NEVER see (at least
    here in the states).  I've seen Cannibal Corpse only on Muchmusic!
    Even the AC/DC video I saw was a very old/rare live cut with Bon Scott,
    and no, not from the popular "let there be rock" film.

    PS -- MTV seems to have fallen into the following format:
    
    1) stupid shows for 20 year olds (e.g., The Real World and those
       Beach MTV, the dance show and those stupid game shows)
    
    2) Videos for people of African American heritage, broken into the
       following categories -- 1) Gansta rap 2) love videos (Janet 
       Jackson, TLC, etc.)

    Hit The MtV right on the dial !!!!!

Didn't they get rid of HBB?  I thought they have some 120 minutes type show on
at that time now.  MTV does spend too much time on non-musical stuff now.  I
guess music videos have become so common that they need another way to get your
attention.

I find that VH-1 has more concert/specials on at night.  Which is much more
interesting than the RealWorld type pseudo-soap-opera stuff MTV is hawking.

I used to like MTV because they played stuff no one else did.  I found some
of their best stuff was their buzz clips.

Canadian music?  CHOM FM from Montreal used to have to play 25% Canadian musica
or something like that.  You'd hear every April Wine, Max Webster, Rush, Heart,
Garland Geoffries song ever made...

Tim

    
    
    	I've been getting very disappointed with MTV.  8 times out of
    	10 when I flick it on, it's anything BUT a music video.  News,
    	game show, or their comedy or soap opera shows....... 
    
    	They should change the name of the station.... it's no
    	longer Music TeleVision.
    

    
    I believe they have taken it out completely now for at least a few
    months as I used to watch it to *maybe* catch a new video from someone
    but most of the time not. It used to be WAAAAAAYYYY better about 10
    years ago when they would show Judas Priest live! From someplace and
    have Rob come out in a Harley with a Bullwhip in hand and proceed to
    kick the scoot over and whip it! I remember that very well! I thought
    he was wacked! ;-) might not have been ten years ago, but real damn
    close! Early eighties if I remember correctly.
    
    Mike
    

    
    -.7   RIGHT on the head. I don't mean to be seen as prejudicial, but
    that seems to have taken the whole eMpTyV over in the past couple
    years. It used to be all rock-n-roll from what I can recall of the
    earlier years (never watched it that much back then though either) but
    that is about ALL you see nowadays.....isn't there another station that
    plays mainly those type videos/shows? VH1 has its moments also, but
    they do show a lot more concert footage, then again, they are doing a
    lot of the '80s scene too which can contain who knows what. MTV has
    gone WAAAAAaaaaaayyyyy down the tubes even more so in the past year.
    
    Just my opinion, not that of my employer!
    
    

    
    They dumped (I believe) HBB earlier this year, which was a shame, even
    though rattman needed to do somewhat better with his play-by-play
    calls, and dump his "party and my place" they showed often enough....
    
    It was decent as every-oh-so-every now and then they would show
    something not seen in awhile, or a classic one. Not bad, but they
    changed it from HBB for 3 hrs to Countdown to the Ball for 1 hr, then 2
    hrs of repeat (just about EVERY damn week) videos shown on the Ball,
    and maybe an interview with a band. I did happen to catch the Type O
    Negative one early this year. Still, I wish they'd have shown more
    obscure Rush videos (if they have any of that type) or even some Max
    Webster! That would have been decent, or some Cannibal
    Corpse/Carcass/death metal theme now and then. They shoulda done it by
    theme, ie Death Metal, Gothic Metal, Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, etc....
    
    Apparently too much to think about! Well, I digress, so I will skulk
    outta here for the time being, and see if I get any flamage!
    
    Oh yeah, 120 minutes was on Sunday evenings at midnight, and now and
    then they had Rollins hosting it, which was cool, heh heh heh, I said
    cool!
    
    

    
    	You've gotta remember that the rockers aren't the only ones who
    	watch MTV and buy new music.  If MTV is showing more and more
    	rap and R&B/dance it's because that's what they've determined
    	to be the "hot thing" for the time being.
    
    	I agree that it'd be nice to devote time to all musical genres,
    	but apparently the MTV powers-that-be don't think so.
    

    
    I'd be happy if they'd just devote some time to MUSIC at all.  Seems
    everytime I tune in to help pass the time while engaging in my favorite
    indoor sport of IRONING :^) they have some sort of STUPID SHOW on!
    
    /jen

    BEMUSED EUROPEAN"TELLY", NOT W____,WATCHER
    I THINK MTV HAS STUFFED UP AND IS ON THE BIG SLIPPERY SLOPE TO OBLIVION
    .
     I ALSO THINK THAT TIME AND RESOURCE COULD GO INTO NEW TALENT DISCOVERY
    THEN MAYBE MY MATE AND I COULD GET OUR SHOT AT THE "BIG" TIME.
                             "EAT THAT"...............

    Yah MTV generally does suck...but I do love that show The State !
    In fact that's all I ever turn MTV on for since I already know
    I'm not gonna see videos...if you want to see videos on MTv
    anymore your best chance is to watch Beavis and Butthead.
    
    Shane, who is sunburnt 

    
    Yo dude, sorry about the sunburn! (yeah, right!)....I agree though that
    The State is about the ONLY thing on eMTpyV that is worth watching, but
    they need to add some more shows, it seems like re-runs as of late, but
    then again, I don't catch it all that often. I got other things going
    on!
    
    Mike
    

    Oh come ON now!!!!
    
    You ALL loved to hate Puck on "The Real World" even if you're not
    honest enough to admit it!!!
    
    	db

    -1
    
    i can vouche that I have NEVER watched an episode of The Real World
    in my LIFE!  The show never made it past the credits!!

    
    	I never saw it either.
    
    	Never cared to watch it, to tell you the truth.
    

	Funny how they call it the real world, like none of those people
	are hammin' it up for the camera and world wide distribution 
	on TV.  My life is the real world, or should I say the real thing.

	Gimme a break EmPTv

	/Cap'n Quad

	

    
    
    	The only that I have seen do anything after The Real World
    	*is* Puck.
    
    	He was (appropriately enough) the airbrained boyfriend of 
    	John Larroquette's daughter (played by "Blossom") on his TV sitcom.  
    
    	JJ
    

    They're Alla Buncha Spoiled Prima_Donnas Any_Who.

    
    Ok...I'll confess...I absolutely hated Puck.The two lassies in the
    house needed a slap too!
    
    
    						ian

    
    Buck said it in -7.  BTW, whatever happened to The Headbanger's
    Ball?!?  (It's probably been gone for like a year now...goes to
    show ya how much I tune into MTv these days)
    
    
    

    I sure hated Puck, but after awhile... to be honest... I started to get
    sick of Pedro too.
    
    There was one ep where Puck was saying "All I get from Pedro is
    'I am gay, I have AIDS' and there's got to be more to him than just
    that."
    
    One that ONE occasion I agreed with Puck.  Pedro seemed to try and 
    turn every single little thing into a gay/AIDS thing. 
    
    Love the australian chick in the new group btw.  Unfortunately, she
    seems to have the personality of a qiwi.
    
    	db

    db wrote:
    
    >There was one ep where Puck was saying "All I get from Pedro is
    >'I am gay, I have AIDS' and there's got to be more to him than just
    >that."
    >
    >On that ONE occasion I agreed with Puck.  Pedro seemed to try and 
    >turn every single little thing into a gay/AIDS thing. 
                                                             
    I can't say ... never saw an episode ... but I think one can generalize
    the above stance with ANY minority group.  
    
    In my opinion, I listen to people like Queen Latifa or any of those
    (c)rappers talk and they turn everything into a "I'm black and I'm a
    deprived individual because society is against me" thing.  Or I listen
    to Jews talk and it's always a "We're Jewish and have to fight a
    constant wave of anti-semitism in our lives...".  Same old song and
    dance, just applied to the minority group of your choice.  
    
    ...and does anyone outside of said minority group give a sh*t or are
    they sensitive to their plights?  No way!

I agree

My brother got abused on the subway in NYC because some 5-6 year old black kid
wanted his seat and stamped on his foot until he got up and moved.

The kid's mother said my brother should get up because she can't afford a car
because they are black.  They didn't have all the privileges my brother did
because he is white.  I guess they didn't notice that my brother was riding the
subway as well as they were and that he didn't have a car because he is too poor
to afford one (or need one in NYC).

My brother saw an older black man about 60 who was rolling his eyes.  He was as
mad at her as my brother was.  The woman's logic was at the level of a four year
old...

    
    	This discussion appears to be going fine right now, but please
    	be nice.  If it starts getting too "ethnic" it'll have to go.
    
    	Thanks.
    

    Re: .30
    
    I saw probably one of the best movies about racial tensions 
    the other day...it was Higher Learning.  As for people not caring
    about what the minorities have to say just look around.  Political
    correctness is everywhere.  The majority is now having to
    walk on it's tippy toes to make sure they do not do or say something
    that may be considered racist.  It seems that everyone is very
    sensitive now to acts of prejudice and racism almost to the
    extreme.  The majority now sees the minorities as being
    racist in the sense that was mentioned earlier--minorities making
    everything out to be an issue of racism or prejudice.  It is true
    that environment has a great effect on the development of a person's
    character and the amount of opportunities that are presented.  But
    people need to become educated and self confident enough to be
    able to develop goals and achieve them rather than finding excuses.
    Self confidence builds motivation and education is the tool for
    achievement.  Education can be provided for everyone but
    self confidence must be nurtured from an early age by parents.
    So IMHO it is the lack of a supportive family that is preventing
    people from achieving their goals...not the system.  Maybe someday 
    we'll be able to look across the boundaries of race, religion, sex, 
    etc and just respect people for their personal worth and character...
    
    or maybe I'm just full of shit :)
    
    Shane, who every once in a while can get pretty deep

    Shane_Bud...
    That was Pretty_Deep..But Beautifull....
    Hope you got yer boots on!  :_)
    
    As fer All Prejudice Goin_Away on This Planet..Ferget it.
    Never Gonna Happen. I'm Guilty..So Help me Jesus.    We ALL Are.
    If you Think you Ain't...You be Lyin To Yer_Self.
    All we can do is try to keep it in Check and Learn Every_Day.
    Think Before you Open that Mouth.
    
    I Watched the First Season of The Real_Tv_World and Like The Scottman
    I Can't Remember his name..But he Seemed to have A_Band Promotion
    Thang Goin on..And when he went home to Visit his Dyin_Pop...
    I Found that real Touchin..   Real World there.
    
      Crazy_Make_Up_Al