Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    Sell-Out: Directing, or making compromises towards, mass acceptance
              and appeal. 
    
    
    This can go for music or anything.  One can "sell out" their moral
    values imho.

    Of course, this can be a difficult label to attach without knowing the
    artist personally (like Chris and Nuno).  Many artists unknowingly are
    influenced by the popular music of the day.

    My definition of a sellout is someone who does things they don't really
    want to with the intent of trying to appeal to a wider audience. 
    
    gh

    Gettin a Hair_Cut or Puttin on Make_Up and Mousee 
    
      Crazy_If_You_Choose_Not_To_Al

    Or...someone (producer/record company) who wants you to be there
    puppet...

    Queensryche circa Rage for Order
    Accept circa Balls to the Wall
    Raven circa The Pack is Back
    Tysondog - 2nd album (obscure one there)
    
    ...and many bands circa `84-`86.
    
    

    
    Re: .3
    
    So you don't consider Metallica a sell-out?
    
    

>    So you don't consider Metallica a sell-out?
    
    I looked up the term in the dictionary, there was a picture of
    Metallica there with it.
    
    gh

    See I told you you needed the aide of pictures! :))) So you probably
    were looking under 'sole and legendary, pure metal at its finest'! :)
    
                                                               Rat

    
    
    ||       <<< Note 915.3 by GOES11::G_HOUSE "Big cheese, MAKE me!" >>>
    || My definition of a sellout is someone who does things they don't really
    || want to with the intent of trying to appeal to a wider audience. 
    
    	Yet, Metallica WANTED to do this album. It wasn't Bob Rock's idea.
    	It wasn't the record company;s idea. They felt the direction they
        were going in was getting repetitive. So they slow down their music
    	for a heavier groove.
    
    	You're contradicting yourself, Greg.
    
     
    
    

>    	Yet, Metallica WANTED to do this album. 
    
    You sure about that?  It sure seems to be massive departure from their
    previous stuff, doesn't make a lot of logical sense to believe that
    they really *wanted* to do it that way.  Sure, that's what someone like
    that two-faced Lars Ulrich will CLAIM to the media, but I'm not sure I
    believe it.
    
    ...and I probably should have added something to that definition about
    abusing fans to make a quick buck (like with massively overpriced
    special edition box sets and what have you).
    
    gh

    
    >> You sure about that?  It sure seems to be massive departure from their
    >> previous stuff, doesn't make a lot of logical sense to believe that
    >> they really *wanted* to do it that way.  Sure, that's what someone like
    >> that two-faced Lars Ulrich will CLAIM to the media, but I'm not sure I
    >> believe it.
    
    	Why is it so hard to believe they wanted to change directions?
    	I've heard all the demo tapes from the first time Lars and
    	James sat down to first record these songs, and they sound
    	relatively the same.
                                                                      	
    	But it really doesn't matter. Sell out or not. Still the best
    	band in America. (In My Opinion)
    
    
    

    
    
    
    NOT!!!
    
    They are another Queensryche.  Master of Puppets:Metallica::Rage for
    Order:Queensryche.
    
    After that, both bands put out sub par sell out crap.
    

    Re.15:
    They are far from being another Queensryche..Your just kidding right???
    Queensryche is in a different league than Metallica. Queensryche rulz!!
    Sorry you Metallica fans but there know way near Queensryche...

    WARNING              WARNING            WARNING              WARNING
    
    			This may get a bit too serious and "deep".....
    
    I've been thinking about this 'definition' of sellin out that we've
    been arguing about and all the other arguments that get started by it
    (i.e. changing of stwho roolz, ect.). Music like art are meant to be
    personal interpetations both by the artist and reciever of feelings
    (love, hate,melencholoney,fear, ect.) and come from or reach one's
    soul. So agreeing that none of us really know wether an artist/band is
    thinking/feeling we can't say if they've sold out or not. But our
    perception of them may feel somehow 'betrayed' if they've changed
    they're style, took a personal favorite song and sold it for a
    commercial product, or now too many people like them and you can no
    longer call them your own.
             Just something to think about!
                                           Rat

    Sell-out
    
    -An adjective used by disgruntled fans to describe bands that progress,
    mature, and in general, sell more albums.
    
    -Stephen

    Good definition!!!
                      Rat

    I think Poison and Warrant were sell-outs from the first albums!
    
    And I'm not a disgruntled fan (or fan period).  They aren't 'progressed
    and mature', and did they really sell that many albums?
    
    |KS|
    

    Dear_|KS|      Howdy_Do?
    
    I bet the Poison"THink"they are Progressin by doin their"Stand" song.
    It's thier attemp at"Metal_Gospel"(Man,that don't sound right.IMHO)
    I think they've failed in that attempt and made Fools Outta Them_Selfs
    at tryin it.   ie...Or Et.Al....."No_Progress"  
    
    Now Warrent.....Let me put it this way..
    When_Ever I get Constipated,I think of them and.."POOOPP".Problem_Gone.
    
                  Crazy_In_My_Book_Al
                   
    

>    When_Ever I get Constipated,I think of them and.."POOOPP".Problem_Gone.
    
    Aah ha hahahahahahahahah!  Good one Al!  Saves money on laxatives huh?
    And you can use it over and over again!  In fact, I bet it gets more
    "potent" with each listen!
    
    I didn't see  the new Poison Vid yet (not that I want to).  I'm waiting
    to see if it causes any illness in the viewers who have seen it.  
    Have you had any ill effects from it yet Al?
    
    |KS|
    
    

    As I stated in an Earlier Posion_Topic_Note...When I first viewed it
    It Caused me to Create a New_Yellow_Spot in my Long_Johns.
    
    Shite..Poison makes me Dump from Both_Ends!!!
    
       Crazy_There's_Gotta_Be_Better_Stuff_On_The_New_Disk_Al

>    I didn't see  the new Poison Vid yet (not that I want to).  I'm waiting
>    to see if it causes any illness in the viewers who have seen it.  
    
    It gave me a nervous twitch.  Mostly concentrated in my right hand,
    around where the "Channel Up" button on my TV remote is...
    
    gh

    The real definition of selling out:  as soon as you accept money for
    your music.  
    
    							Brian

    ...i think they should all be paid in colorful beads....and trading
    stamps..........................................;')........../k

    	I believe that a sell out is just someone that writes a song using
    a stuctured method only because it sells. Once the sense of feeling is
    lost all you have is over produced CRAP!
    
    					Jim
    

    My definition?
    
    
    
    
    Jon Bomb Anchovies

    
    Saw this awesome shirt: Had a bear on the back and said; BITE ME!

    
    What about
    Michael_all_my_songs_sound_the_same_but_my_hair_looks_fabulous_Bolton?
    
    /j
    

    Metallica.

    Bob Dole

    Bob Dole is my right hand man

    Does anyone in here think the tune "Stick it out" from "RUSH" (off the
    Counterparts Disc) was a sell out tune???  It was the first tune they
    made in a long time with out synths' (or very little) and many people
    convicted them of selling out because it was during the "grungy" era of
    rock.  
    
    I think the tune is cool and it sounded like their old stuff so I don't
    think it was a sell out!  IMO
    
    	J,  Just curious!!!

    
    I don't think they sold out then, but awhile back. Trust me, I still
    love this band, been listening to them since mid/late 70's! Seen em 3
    times in concert (best for me was '79 in Boston and '80 in Milwaukee).
    
    I really don't think they "sold out" BUT it could be construed with
    their musical changes from awhile back....probably after Hemispheres
    timeframe. Especially since they certainly started getting a LOT more
    airplay back in those days (though not near as much nowadays, single
    here, single there....). If you like them, you like them no matter
    what they do (unless it was a really drastic change).

I doubt they care what anyone thinks.  They've been around a long time and they
are their own toughest critics.  Stick it Out was a throwback to the Grace Under
Pressure era or maybe even earlier.

    
    	re:  .38
    
    	Oh, gee, there's a surprise.
    

    
       Air Supply ?  Journey ??  oh, ABBA ....THAT'S the ticket...
    
    /Sax_who_is_having_Labor_pains_today
    

    "Sell Out" is a term used by frustrated fans who are upset that their
    idols have moved on musically and are not doing the same old thing. It
    means nothing to the artists, who are probably sick of the same old
    thing anyway.