Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    HardBall is cool...mez seen em!
    
    Buck, who liked Toms staright forward tone!

    So what type of musak do you play,dear Hard one?
    
    I like the name,btw.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    
     Thanks for the invite down Coop! I had a good time and enjoyed hearin
    you guys. I especially liked your Judas Priest material! I just wanted
    everyone here in notes to know that Coop dropped his drawers for the
    best buns contest and gave it good run for the money. Now I don't know
    if the ladies that were judging got a thrill out of it, but I did
    notice that you put a smile on the face of that BIG BURLEY bouncer
    that was there! 8^)!!!....... just kiddin. I did enjoy being a judge
    for the Hot Legs contest. I don't care what you say, #1 still had the
    best legs even if #3 did drop her skirt! I called em as I saw em.
    
    One little nit. Even though I do have alot of hearing problems as I was
    tellin you about, If there ain't no hair on the walls your not using
    your Marshalls to their full potential!!! YOU POSEUR YOU!!!! 8^)))))
    
                                                                mike
    

The tape went out at lunch time yesterday.   Here's the scoop...

Its a live recording at a local club "The Mine", on a Monday night (8.19.91).  
No effects, no fancy crap at all, just a pair of mics hangin in front of the 
stage.  Lots of boo-boos (like a 2 minute pause after the first song while 
Tom changed guitars), bad mix (had a *drummer* mixing us, and you can tell !),
some vocal_harmony_Boo-boos etc...)

The club is pretty large, about the size of AJ's I guess... 
PA is mostly PV stuff.  Three-way stereo, with 400s,800's and 900's 
doing the power, (4) 18" front loaded bass bins, (4) dual 10" mid horns,
and (2) dual-1" throat high horns. (It's pretty mighty - about 5Kwts total
I think).  As an aside, we were also using our Par56/Par46 lights, some 
150wt "rain lights" we built, 12 channel light controller etc...  

Tom plays a strat and a Charvel thru a marshall JMP 50wt single channel 
with some stomps and a 2x12 celestion loaded cab.  I play Ibanez exclusively
thru my rack (Furman-ADA-DIGItech-Rocktron-Metaltronix) into (2)4x12 celestion 
loads and (2) 2x12 Scorpion+ loads.  Drums are Tama RockStars, Bass is 
Peavy/Crate.  Everything is micd with SM57's/58's/Ev's/and Audio Technica mics.
The board is my Soundtech ST116.

Here's whats on the tape:
(stuff in parens indicates who did what lead etc...)

Set 1
-----
Slide It In - WhiteSnake (jc)
Tush - ZZ Top (jc/tom)
I'll Be There For You - BonJovi (tom/jc)
Smokin' In The BoizeRoom - Crue (tom)
Coming Of Age - Damn Yankees (jc)
Breakin' The Law - Priest 
Livin' After Midnight - Priest (jc)
You've Got Another Thing Comin' - Priest (jc)
Runnin' With The Devil - Van Halen (tom
Man In The Box - Alice In Chains (tom)

Set 2
-----
Dirty Deeds - AC/DC (tom)
Can't Live Without You - Scorps (jc)
Nothin' But A Good Time - Poison (jc)
Where Have All The Good Times Gone - Van Halen (tom)
Fly Me Courageous - Drivin' And Cryin' (jc)
Lights - Journey (tom)
Paranoid - Black Sabbath (jc/tom)
Rock You Like A Hurricane - Scorps (tom)
Born To Be Mild - Steppenwolf (tom/jc)
American Bland - Grand Funk (tom)
S.O.S - Crue (jc)
Gettin' Better - Tesla (tom/jc)

Truth is out...

HardBall has a new drummer.  Say hi Skip.  :)

Skip brings tons of experience with local Springs based 
bands over the last 10+ years...  Most recently with
Hydra.  

Give a few weeks and come check out the NEW and IMPROVED 
HardBald...Err, HardBall...  :)

Rip, tear, snort et.el...

HardBall is getting ready to COME OUT SMOKIN' !!

Join us for our re-debut with our new drummin' thunder-man, Skip Turnbaugh,
during the week of 6-10 November at The Mine.

Be forewarned:

- We've dumped all our "classic rock" stuff except for some cob-web-covered
  Van Halen.  :^).  No more ZZ Top, no more Bad Co., no

- New stuff includes Metallica, Rush, The Cult, Kix, Lynch Mob,
  LA Guns, GnR, Slaughter, new original material etc...

- We'll have some new PA gear, and some new stage lighting, so bring your
  ear plugs, suntan oil...  Also new to the show is the patented "HardBall
  Q38 Automatic Panty Launcher" - so ladies(!),  be *sure* to bring panties !!
  We need the ammo !!

- We're still doin' "I'll Be There For You" (and kickin' it!).  :)

The Mine is at Academy and LaSalle.

We'll also be out at The Penthouse on the 5th, 6th and 7th of December.
The Penthouse is also at Academy and LaSalle.

We'll also be at The Rack N Roll sometime in January - no date set
yet.

Come out and join the party !  We'll have a blast and be sure to chastise
any DECcies at the place.

jc (co-thrasher, ammo loader/tester)

I finally got to hear these guys, even if it was on tape.  My initial 
thoughts ... killah !  8^)

I've made a zillion tapes in bars so I can judge how a band *really* sounds 
as opposed to how it comes across on tape.  With that in mind, these guys 
KARANKED !

I'm a cover_slut_puppy anyway, so that's another reason I liked it.  If I 
go to a bar to party, I wanna hear music that I'm familiar with.  Let's 
see, plusses and minusses ...

On the minus side ...
	- `Comin' Of Age' sucked.  Wasn't the band's fault though, they 
	   just did a fair job of a lousy song.
	- The drummer really has a, uh, unique sense of timing on certain
	  songs (he's out of the picture now, so it doesn't really matter)
	- There was some vocal overkill on certain songs, like `Where
	  Have All The Good Times Gone'.  The 3 part harmonies sound GREAT
	  on most tunes, but on others, they needed to be simple ...

Now, on the plus side ...
	- Good song selection, I could definitely smell a party brewin' !
	  You couldn't expect to much crowd response on a Monday night,
	  but you guys still got it. Especially later on in the evening, 
          when you'd finish a song and one of the band members would say,
	  `Somebody scream !'.  It worked ...
	- The vocals were GREAT.  I'm more tuned into vocals these days I
	  guess, because it seems like every band has a killer guitar 
	  player, so there's not much new on that front.  `I'll Be There
	  For You' and `Lights' were VERY impressive.  My old band used to 
	  cover `Angel Eyes' by Jeff Healey and the harmonies on that one
	  always brought the house down - I imagine that you guys have 
	  the same response.  I also liked the way the singer(s) attempted
	  to copy the original singers voice.
	- The guitar work was pretty happnin' too - Coop finally found an 
	  outlet for massive dives in *every* song.  You sell yourself 
	  short pal, ya ought to leave the whammy bar alone and show the 
	  folks that you can really play and that you ain't all show ...  8^)
	- The best songs were, `Slide It In', `I'll Be There For You', `Man
	  In The Box', `Nothing But A Good Time', `Lights', `Same Old 
	  Situation' (woulda been better if you had Nasty Habits backin' 
	  you up, but ...), and the intro to `Gettin' Better' ... the
	  rest of it sorta fell apartbut I'd blame that on the drummer.

I'd like to hear you guys on a Friday night with the new drummer !   8^)

Scary ...

I'm gonna remix this thing thru Jeff's (soundman-dude) Rack-o-doom
to usse his gates and compressors - then it'll really be happenin' !!

jc

We try to do them the speed that the original artists (? ;) did them...
It's hard to speed anything up with a human metronome behind ya.  :)

I think Friz was pointing out that Paris Burning does a speedie-thrashy
version of "Look What The Cat Dragged In".

FWIW - We save the speedie-thrashy stuff for some of our original material.

Also, just to give you a clue as to how the tape was put together:

All instruments were miked at our rehearsal studio, run thru a snake
directly to a StudioMaster 24 channel mixer.  Four sub mixes directly to
a Yamaha MT100 II portable 4 track.  Guitars and Bass were subbed
to one Track, lead vocals to one track, backup vocals to one track and
drums to one track.  

Tom now uses a GK 250RL, Ross 2x10 cab, Randall 2x12 (celestion), DOD Wah,
Charvel Model 4, and a modified Strat.

Guido used a PV Foundation Bass, Crate 15" (something) amp, Rapco Direct
box.

I used my rack of doom with (1) Marshall 4x12, (1) ABC Custom Cab, and an 
Ibanez RG570.

Skipster plays Rodgers, Pearl and Yamaha drums and Zildjian cymbals.

Mikes were Sennheiser, Shure, and EVs (EV's for Vox, Sennheisers for 
instruments, and Shures for overheads {drums}).

Rough mix direct to tape from the MT100II with a DSP128+ for slight 'verb.
Final mix will be back thru the StudioMaster with a 36 space rack chock
full of gates, exciters, compressors, expanders etc...

It was about 40 degree in the studio, so everything was 1 take (except
when we blew a circuit breaker), and live (no overdubs).

jc

HardBall has a new drummer...

A non-deccie.  His name is Casey Milner.  He plays Pearl Drums, zildjian
cymbals.  He's pretty happenin'.  The Skipster has since left to take
up with another happenin' gig - The Head Full Of Zombies.

Same basic stuff - We're bar-whore-old-farts - Cover metal (BonJovi, Metallica,
Priest, Fire House, Sabbath, Alice In Chains, Nirvana, Guns-n-Roses, LA Guns 
etc...), and we've got some original material also... (about 6 that are 
performable I guess).

We're playing a week at Union Station (April) in Colorado Springs, and I 
suspect a Thursday at The Cavalcade in Pueblo (Metal night).

Stay tuned...

jc (Who is beginning to think he plays with Spinal Tap :)

I've got a truck load of our latest demo tape.  Who wants one ??
These cold be collectable someday when we're famous (NOT!).

jc

    
    
    I WANT ONE!!!!
    
    

    If it's Metal Night at the cavelcade, it likely means they'll have a
    mini-skirt contest. Hail I might even go to that one.

It should be a cool gig - they really pack the house there...

    any chance of a demo fer moi???
    
    
    
                                           Staynz

Shirley - send your address to me at KDX200::Cooper and I'll ship one off
to ya...
jc

    Shirley?????....yeah,right!!Ok mail comin' to you......Jennifer!
    
    
    
                                             Staynz

Cover Material
--------------
Slide It In - Whitesnake
It's Not Love - Dokken
Born To Be Wild/American - SteppenFunk
I'll be There For You - Bon Jovi
Breakin The Law - Priest
Highway To Hell- AC/DC
Runnin' With The Devil - VanHalen
Livin' After Midnight - Priest
Another Thing Comin' - Priest
Man In A Box - Alice In Chains
Gettin' Better - Tesla
Lights - Journey
Can't Live Without You - Scorpions
Dirty Deeds - AC/DC
Nothin' But A Good Time - Poison
Where Have All The Good Times Gone - VanHalen
You Really Got Me - VanHalen/Kinks
Crazy Train - Ozzy
Fly Me Courageous - Drivin'-N-Cryin'
Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple
Detroit Rock City - Kiss
Paranoid - Black Sabbath
Rock You Like A Hurricane - Scorpions
Same Ole Situation (SOS) - Motley Crue
Rock-n-Roll - Zeppelin
Never Enough - LA Guns
Rock-N-Roll All Night - Kiss
Flight Of Icarus - Iron Maiden
Night Train - Guns And Roses
More Than Words (Acoustic) - Extreme
Enter:Sandman - Metallica
Fire Women - The Cult
Look What The Cat Dragged In - Poison
War Pigs - Black Sabbath
Wicked Sensation - Lynch Mob
Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
Luv Of A Lifetime (Acoustic) - Firehouse
Runaway - BonJovi 
Stone In Love - Journey
Seek And Destroy - Metallica
The Trooper - Iron Maiden
Kashmir/Immagrant Song Medley - Zeppelin
Don't Treat Me Bad - FireHouse
Theme From Hogans Heros - ??? (HardBalls' Customized rendition)
Tease Me, Please Me - Scorpions
Jail Break - Thin Lizzy
Rock Me - White Lion
Spreading The Disease - Queensryche


Original Material
-----------------
Thats All
In The Night
General Johnson
Thors Hammer
Devils Games
To Be A Fool
Where Darkness Reigns
The HeadWall

    -1  I've never seen such a cool list of tunage in my life!! 8)

SONGS I KEEP
    
Slide It In - Whitesnake
It's Not Love - Dokken
I'll be There For You - Bon Jovi
Man In A Box - Alice In Chains
Gettin' Better - Tesla
Lights - Journey
Can't Live Without You - Scorpions
Dirty Deeds - AC/DC
Nothin' But A Good Time - Poison
Where Have All The Good Times Gone - VanHalen
Crazy Train - Ozzy
Fly Me Courageous - Drivin'-N-Cryin'
Detroit Rock City - Kiss
Rock You Like A Hurricane - Scorpions
Same Ole Situation (SOS) - Motley Crue
Never Enough - LA Guns
Rock-N-Roll All Night - Kiss
Flight Of Icarus - Iron Maiden
Night Train - Guns And Roses
More Than Words (Acoustic) - Extreme
Enter:Sandman - Metallica
Fire Women - The Cult
Look What The Cat Dragged In - Poison
War Pigs - Black Sabbath
Wicked Sensation - Lynch Mob
Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
Luv Of A Lifetime (Acoustic) - Firehouse
Runaway - BonJovi 
Stone In Love - Journey
Seek And Destroy - Metallica
The Trooper - Iron Maiden
Kashmir/Immagrant Song Medley - Zeppelin
Don't Treat Me Bad - FireHouse
Theme From Hogans Heros - ??? (HardBalls' Customized rendition)
Tease Me, Please Me - Scorpions
Jail Break - Thin Lizzy
Rock Me - White Lion
Spreading The Disease - Queensryche
    
    
SONGS I *AXE* in a BIG way!!!
    
Born To Be Wild/American - SteppenFunk
Breakin The Law - Priest
Highway To Hell- AC/DC
Runnin' With The Devil - VanHalen
Livin' After Midnight - Priest
Another Thing Comin' - Priest
You Really Got Me - VanHalen/Kinks
Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple
Paranoid - Black Sabbath
Rock-n-Roll - Zeppelin

    re -1...
    the ones you would Ax, are the ones I'd keep...Being a person who
    would be in the crowd those are the ones I'd want to hear......
    
    along with alot of the others too....
    
    
    jeff

Bcuk, I appreciate your feedback dood, but I'd like to mention a couple 
things.  FWIW - Some of the songs you mention, we (HardBall) would love
to get rid of, but a lot of times people wanna know when we're gonna play 
'em:

Ferinstance:

Biker doosa ALWAYS wanna here Born To Be Mild.  We thru the American Bland
thing in there so we wouldn't have to spend much time doin' more "Classic
cRock".   :)  Blues-type doods with funny hats always want us to play old 
jammin' standards - hense "Smoke On The Rotter".

We have to keep BReakin' The Law, cuz its the only song I know how to sing,
besides I love all Priest.  :)

And perhaps its a regional thing, but the first thing I noticed here was
HOW MUCH ZEPP is on the damn radio here !  People ar Zeppelin fanatics here.
They go nutty when we play it.

I gotta agree about Paranoid and Livin' After Midnight though.  Yaawwwwwnnnn...
As we rack up more tunes, we'll be boffin' the cheese.  For now though, I hate
playin' the same sets like 3 nights in a row - I like to swap songs around...

Again, I ain't arguin' with ya, just respondin' !  Thanks for da Input !

jc (If I never play VH oldies again it'll be too soon :)

    I know all about Bikers and Blues doodz...I mean, I just joined a bar
    band that plays "Flannel-shirt Rock" myself!!
    
    However...it *is* 1992...anything that is over 15 years old is
    questionable IMVHO.  Songs like Born to be Wild, Smoke on the Water,
    Stairway to Heaven, Freebird, You Really got Me, etc. need to be
    archived in time, and never, ever, played again!!!

Flannel shirt rock - Waagagagagagagagaaaa...
Thats KILLER !  I'm gonna have to use that.  :)

Agreed about the 92 thing too...  I'll stick with Oldies like FireHouse
and LA Guns...
:)

    The hell you say!

    -1 that's for bucky

Whats the name of the song/band called "Ugly Kid Joe" or something
thats been on the radio lately ??

We learned it the other night and I haven't a CLUE whats its called...
Hep!
jc

    Gee PRIL, I might be offended if you weren't using WENDYlete!

    
    Re: Coop
    
    Everything About You!!
    
    Rulin' tune!

    Coop, it's called "Everything About You".
    
    Buck, no WENDYlete happenin'!  "Da hail u say!" is a saying.  You
    never heard it?  No offense, I just really appreciate classic rock.
    
    'prilz`

RE: Chris/Pril

Thanks doods (and dood-ettes!).

The song may be roolin', but it sure is e-a-s-y !!

jc (Who likes the easy stuff)

    
>> jc (Who likes the easy stuff)
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    	So don't I.... ;')     
    

Man, when you play ,like me - YOU GOTTA LOVE IT !!

:)

    jeez, I'm the one who said he liked those older tunes, and whadaya
    know.......I'm a biker...
    
    
    jeff

    I kinda like the older stuff too.........am I a biker??  
    
    
    
                                                       staynz

RE: Pete

Of course. Oh, and I don't HATE anyone...'Cept for:

A) Iyatolla
B) Hussein
C) Tyson
D) Dahmer

:)

jc (Who's ALWAYS up for a jam)

PS - there are four bands where we rehearse, and we all know each other pretty
     well - I bet we could have a MASSIVE party.

PPS - Brian Kelly is comin' out in June - that should be a riot!

    yeah Dahmer likes you..............grilled with tomatoes and a sprig of
    parsley!!  8)
    
    
    
    
                                               staynz

    
    Coop!
    i wanna jam too!!!
    
    I'm the worst guitar player... so I'll play all of CC's solos!!
    
    ;')

Come on out then!  Eeeesssh!

    
    I'll be right over, coop!
    
    
    ;')

    
    200 HARD replies!!!

FWIW - 

Our old 8x10 promo shot is on-line and available if anyone wants it.
It's a 498 block postscript file.  All ya need is a LN03R or LPS20/40.

I managed to shrink it down (block-wise) with DECwrite...

Union Station.  Union and VanBuren, Colorado Springs.

 -Wednesday thru Saturday, 11-14 March 1992
 -Wednesday thru Saturday, 22-25 April 1992

Marriot Hotel, Buena Vista.  (Boize Weekend AWAY !!)

 - Friday/Saturday 20/21 March  1992

We're also working on a Thursday night at the Cavalcade in Pueblo,
and a place called Bangles in Denver.

jc

WAY-Bad !!  I'm psyched !!  Just  got the coolest phone call of 1992.

HardBall is now booked at 'B-B-B-Boomers' (Just "Boomers" really :) in 
Colorado Springs.  We'll be there 9-11 April 1993 (Thursday-Saturday night).

Boomers is a brand new club - just opened last week.

jc 

    Where da hail is it?z
    
    

    Yeah Coop...I already asked the same question as JH/DD...WHERE in
    town is Boomers (street location will do nicely)?

Platte and ummm, uhhh, um...

...Just East of Academy...   I forgot the name of the street.

It's a cool club - a chain.  I bet a lot of business leaves The Gardens
and heads east....  To Murray !!  Yeah, thats it !!  Murry and Platte !!

jc (Brain Fart...)

    
    
     Doesn't Murry and PLatte both run East - West?
    
                                                        m
    

    No, MUrrey is N/S. 
    
    Lesse, Murrey and Platt? Is it in the King Sooper's shopping center, or
    is it by that Hotel?

    Anyone in here ever been to the King Sooper's  between 8th and 9th
    ave in Denver?!?
    
    WILD fackin store, man!

    What cross street? I gots lotsa friends in Denver and bin to lotsa KS.
    
    

Jesse,

It's on the right as you head towards Pete Field...Behind the 7-11
there...

jc

    >What cross street? I gots lotsa friends in Denver and bin to lotsa KS.
    
    Er, not sure.  BUT, the cross street is an exit (168?) off of I-25N,
    if that makes any diff.
    
    It's my route into downtown Denver when I go there...
     

    re: Coop
    
    Is it in that same complex with Frankies?  J. and I used to go get
    wings there after band practices at his house.  Nice little place.
    
    gh

Dunno what Frankies is...

I like Wings tho...
:)

    
     I'm still tryin to figure out where Murray and Platte Cross 8^(.
    Let us know when you find out the location, its been awhile since I
    heard youz guyz.
                     mike
    

    
    Why is that abusing his mod privs? 

    This note was empty.  And fwiw, Coop didn't move the HardBall note
    here, twas one of the other MODS to cease the junk notes that were
    being SET to this area!

    
    I seem to remember this note having a reserved title for a long time.
    
    Anyway, so what if he did?  What difference does the topic number make?
    

    A note by any other number...

    
      Murray and Platte cross at the Grain and Grape resteraunt,
    
    The Ramada Inn...and the King Soopers.
    
    
    

    
     Gotcha.... over by Hugh M. Woods. Finally the light comes on.
    
                                                                    mike
    

Yeah man, head south on Academy, hang a left on Platte, a right at the 
next light... and VIOLA!

The really killer gig will be St. Pattys Day at Union Station though - 
Yowza!  I love playin' St Patties day..

jc (Who thinks the number fits :)

    
    Are you going to have any gigs that are all ages!!??
    
    I want to go listen to ya but I don't want to do it from the parking
    lot! !!!!!
    
                                                    jazzzzzzz

    
    
    	A little down the rathole but I had to chuckle this morning
    	in class when the headline across the top of the Boston
    	Herald simply said Hardball!  (8
    
    	tigg~~~

    Man, you guys are getting more press then I thought!
    
    gh

We're gettin' pretty busy.  Here's our schedule:

6-7 March	Buena Vista (thats tonight and tomorrrow night kids !)
11-14 March  	Union Station (St. Patty's day bash from hell! Colorado Springs)
9-11 April 	Boomers (Colorado Springs)
22-25 April 	Union Station (Colorado Springs)
30 April 	Cavalcade (Pueblo)

Come out if you can !  *You're* support is appreciated !!

jc

    
    I will have to go listen to you guys April 30th!!!!!
    
    I can get into Cavelcade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
                                 8^)!
                                                      jazzzzzzzz

Hi all,

Whats new with HardBall you ask ??  Well, come on out and see 
for yourself !!   We'll be at Union Station this week (Wednesday 
thru Saturday, 11-14 March).

Union Station is at the intersection of Union and Van Buren here 
in Colorado Springs.  This is our first time out in a while, and
there have been a lot of changes !  We've got lots of new music 
to play, some original material we've been working on, and of 
course - some old favorites !

On behalf of HardBall, I'd also like to thank our friends with 
Storm - Larry Larson and Bob Durham for helping us out a *lot* - 
We sure appreciate it guys !!
 
Other upcoming HardBall shows:

9-11 April - Boomers, Colorado Springs
22-25 April - Union Station, Colorado Springs
30 April - Cavalcade, Pueblo, Co.

Hope to see ya there !!

Jeff


HardBall:
Guido Gutierrez - Bass Guitar/Vocals
Tom Howard - Lead Guitar/Vocals
Jeff Cooper - Lead Guitar/Vocals
Casey Milner - Drums/Vocals

FWIW - We had an absolute BLAST in Buena Vista over the weekend.
We've been invited back with a raise, and got a fat tip from the 
owner of the little club...

However, I recommend that if you go to Buena Vista, stay AWAY from
a certain motel-hell we stayed at !   :)    Ick!

jc (Who sez: At least the showers worked good!!)

>Whats new with HardBall you ask ?? 
    
    I didn't ask...
    
    (especially since I've seen that like three or four times now!)
    
    gh

Cm'ere so I smack both of ya!
:)

    But Coop...They don't do drugs?
    
              Frizkid
    

    Ba-domp, crash!

    Man, this is really getting BAD!
    
    8^)

    Well, I'm not giving my unasked for opinion here because Jeff asked me
    if I would post a review of HARDBALL.  So here it goes................
    I was highly impressed!  The band has a lot of energy and plays a great
    variety of rock.  I was especially pleased when they started playin 
    EAGLES tunes.  
    
    IMHO they are a must go see band.  Especially if your looking for some
    good times.  I had a hard time keeping still in my chair.  
    
    HARDBALL hits a homerun and I give em two thumbs up.
    
    kat

    
    
      I agree Kat! Its been some time now since I heard HARDBALL. I have to
    say I was impressed by how much you guys improved since the last time I
    saw you. The overall sound quality was improved also. I thought that
    the band played a good selection of tunes that kept the overall crowd
    happy, and still catering to the HM people at the same time.
     I thought your new drummer was a good move for the band. Much more
    dynamic than the last guy you had.
     The thing that really stood out to me was the sound that Coop was
    getting. Both guitarists in the band play Marshall, which is my fav to
    hear. But, the sound that Coop was getting was much fuller and richer
    sounding that the other guitarist (can't remember his name). I don't
    mean to say he sounded bad, its just that his tone was kinda weak in
    comparison to the sound of your set up. Thats why I was asking you if
    you had a tube Marshall, when you were explaining your set up to me, I
    didn't know the rack set up was really being used.
     My opinion, if both you guys could have the sound you were getting
    last Saturday when I heard you, WOW, you'd be puttin some hair on the
    wall if you know what I mean! I really enjoyed hearing you guys and
    will make a point to come out again. A band you must check out in the
    Springs area. Well done Coop! Keep it up!
                                                  mike
    

Thanks Mike and Kat !!  Hope to see ya both out there again soon !!
I'll keep ya posted as to when/where !!

RE: Mike

FWIW - Those are just Marshall speaker cabs...

Thanks for your kind words !!
jc

    Get off it, Jeff, with this humble modesty stuff. 
    
    We know you better.  You're eating it up.  You do deserve the praise
    though.
    
    Kat
    

    They were o.k. I was more impressed with the fact that Greg did a shot
    of tequila.

    Well Kat, I thought I should exercise some principles, as I'm getting
    SLAYED in guitar notes cuz I play thru a rack instead of a Marshall
    head.  (Tone Envy :)
    
    RE: Greg and The Worm
    
    Greg was bummin'.  He was nearly in tears cuz U-Station doesn't have
    worms in their tequila.  :)
    
    jc

    Ya just gotta eat the worm!!

RE: Mike

Tone envy!
:)

    I don't get it?  What's so unusual about me having a little shot of
    tequila?
            
    gh (who don't do worms)

    I was refering to da fack(tm) that you never wanna meet for a beer
    anywhere anymore. Let alone a shot lof takillya.

    Well, you know how it goes sometimes...
    
    gh

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KDX200::COOPER "Step UP to the RACK !"               14 lines  17-MAR-1992 13:35
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HardBall will be out at Union Station (this) Wednesday
night 18 March,  from 9:00pm - 1:30am...

Union Station is in the Audobon Shopping Center at
Union and VanBuren in Colorado Springs.  No cover,
5 sets of pop/classic metal and awesome drink specials.
Wednesday is ladies night.

Thursday, our good friends "Storm" (featuring DECcies Larry Larson 
and Bob Durham) will be completing the weekend.  Storm RIPS !!!

Come out EVERY night and rock your asses off !!!

jc

    But, how could I live without my a$$?  
    
    Wait a minute...AAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!  IT'S TOO LATE!

    Really....I hardly have enough as it is!!!
    
                Frizkid
    

    
    re:241
    
        The new drummer was more dynamic than the last OOOUUUUCCCCHHH
    I was the last.  jc you guys did sound real good on Sat night!!!
    How did last night go??                    Skip/hfoz

    I agree with .241, the new drummer kicks the living feces outta the old
    one, he has more hair too. 
    
    8^)

    
    
     I didn't mean you Skip. I never got a chance to see you drumming with
    them. Troy was the last drummer I saw them with, judging from what
    everyone has said, I'm sorry I never got the chance.
                                                           mike
    

    So why aren't you the drummer anymore?
    
    kat

    Boy, that could be a can of worms, couldn't it?

    YES! But let's hear it anyways!!!!!!!!!
    
             Frizkid...Who knows. 8)
    

    C'mon Skip...sell your story to the SUN...make some $$$

    Buck...We ain't got no SUN.  The Gazette Telegraph has the monopoly on
    this town.
    
               Frizkid...Sell it anyways Skip!
    

    
      I sold out for big $$$$. I am in a new wave dance band that has a
    large following and plays every other weekend. We could play more
    but everyone works and we have other hobbies. No more double bass,
    but I still practice with both. I do really miss playing Metal,
    especially songs like War Pigs!!!!!!!!!  Skip

    So what's this new band Skip is in?
    
    kat

    They're called Head Full Of Zombies, they play dancable alternative
    music.  A very good band, if you're into that sort of thing.  No hard
    rock/metal at all.
    
    gh

Yep!

I'd highly recommend checking out HFOZ's !!  Especially if you can talk
'em into doing Buzzcocks and B52's !!!  :)

jc

    HFOZ rule!!  But, I would rather NOT see them do the B52s!!  Too
    commercial.  I dug the set list they were doing when I caught the act
    two years ago.

    Their set list has changed a lot since back then.  Worth checkin out!
    
    They do a killer version of "Quiche Lorraine" by the B52s!!!
    
    gh

    Oh, Quice Lorrain is different!!  OLD B52's rule!  I thought they would
    be doing Love Shack or some such nonsense!

Well, yeah, OLD B52's - Planet Claire is what I heard HFOZombs do once
(I think) - One of my all-time fave tunes.  

jc (who loves guitar-oriented punk/new-wave, but gacks on The Cure -Ick!!!!!)

    The Cure rool...I liked the HFOZ Cure covers!!

    ya we do about 12 Cure tunes, I really like the Cure!! Some of the
    other lighter tunes we do I could live without!! I keep trying to 
    talk these guys into doing more Nirvana and Sex Pistols but they 
    don't like getting their gear smashed. I just want to get VIOLENT!!
    Anyone in the Springs that wants to get onto our mailing list send
    me e-mail.
    
    jc, sorry  for hogging  up Hardball space!!

    No problem dood - you've earned your place here. 
    :)
    
    jc

    So lets start a HFOZ note in music!
    
    I want some information.  I really like alternative music.
    
    Kat

	So what does one do to get a tape of Hardball, HFOZ, etc?  

	As much as I'd like to get out that way I don't think anytime soon
	I'll be making west to check you out in the clubs.  Too bad we don't 
	have a temporary exchange program for our jobs like students, etc. 
	have (said only half-jokingly if at all).


	- Jim

    I don't think HFOZ have a tape as they do mostly covers.  Hardball has
    a demo tape that you might be able to get Coop to getcha a copy of.
    
    Personally I think a job exchange program would be great!
    
    gh

    re: 276 Jim
    
         HFOZ will have a tape out in a couple of weeks. I think two
    covers and two originals. It won't be pro or anything just a tape
    to send around. I bet jc will send ya a Hardball demo. Just remember
    it was one take and no overdubs in a freezing warehouse!!  Skip

	Yea, already heard from jc...thanks,

	- Jim

Some changes to our schedule...  Most of these engagements are '4 set nights'
unless otherwise noted.

Here's our solidified schedule for April:

Thursday, 9 April:

  The Cavalcade, "Metal Night", Pueblo, Colorado.  Hosting
  the Mini Skirt Contest (hubba,hubba!).  Premier of two new 
  originals!  Adverts on KKFM, KILO, KATM and GT.

Wednesday, 22 April thru 
Saturday, 25 April:

   Union Station, Colorado Springs, Colorado.  5 sets/night.
   Adverts on KKFM and GT.

Thursday, 30 April:

  The Cavalcade, "Metal Night", Pueblo, Colorado.  Hosting
  the Mini Skirt Contest (hubba,hubba!).  Adverts on KKFM, 
  KILO, KATM and GT.  HardBall T-shirts and hats will be available.
  (for more info, send mail :).

The Boomers gig has been moved out to early May, as this agent BONEHEAD 
kinda screwed up on us.

We're now making plans for some recording time, that should also 
happen during the month.  When it's completed, we'll have a 90 minute
tape of about everything we do - clips from gigs_past, plus a the new 
stuff which will be a tape of 10 originals that I'll send
out.  If you haven't already sent me your address and want one,
send mail.  We've also started video taping our shows, so we might
consider making a low budget vid too.

If y'all would like to be on our mailing list for monthly fliers,
send me your name/address/zip.

If you'd like to be on the HB distribution list (or be removed from
it) send me mail, and I'll modify that.
   
As always, thanks for your support !!

jc

Whats goin' on tonight ??

Well, a bunch of us are going to Pueblo to see "Storm".  They are at 
The Cavalcade.  

Meet at The Dublin House between 6-7pm tonight for beers and chow.
We'll all pile into my absolutely cavernous van and head down shorty
there after.  BYOBBC (Bring your own Bean Bag Chair.  :)

There is a miniskirt contest that I'm told is without equal - it 
should be over by around 11:30ish.  We'll bail after that, hoping to 
get back to The Dublin shorty after midnight (we gotta work Friday 
right ??).

Should be an EXCELLENT time !!

Here's who is goin':

Me
Guido
Tom
Lowell
Darryl
Hammer

Maybes:
Greg
Jason
Friz-pose
Jesse

>Hammer
    
    He's ok, but if he's got that freak with his hair all plastered up
    like the Pope's hat with him, I'm not going!
    
    gh, 2 Legit 2 Quit

    I hate the Dublin House!!

    It's ok, except when there's a sporting event or something like that. 
    Then the crowds are outta control.  Used to be better, the beers were
    cheaper and larger.
    
    gh

Whats The Dub got to do with it ??

jc (Who just needs a place to meet)

Limited quantity stuff !!

Let me know (via mail) if your interested in any of this stuff:

- Baseball hats

  Baseball hats with hand air-brushed HardBall logo.

- T shirts

  100% cotton T's with hand airbrushed logo.  Asst. colors, sizes.

- Tour Jackets

  Nylon "Satin look" (lined) tour jackets, airbrushed logo, asst. 
  colors, sizes.

The logo is Gothic style in dayglo pinks, reds, yellows, greens with
mostly black lettering, and accented with gold glittery stuff.
On the back of the tour jackets is about 6x22 inches.  Looks real sharp on
black.  Each item is hand done with an airbrush - This isn't cheap 
"Silkscreened" stuff.  It's all washable too.

We are putting together an order for this stuff now.  Send mail for details.

jc

>Limited quantity stuff !!
>
>Let me know (via mail) if your interested in any of this stuff:
>
>- Baseball hats
>
>  Baseball hats with hand air-brushed HardBall logo.

    
    Hide that thinning hair!!  8^)
    

I like the idea of airbrushed HardBall Condoms.  :)

Or is that a contradiction in terms ??
:)

    
    
    	bwahahahahahaaaaa!  ahem.  Make 'em psychadelic glow in 
    	the dark ones......
    

Of course !! 
:)

    Went to Pueblo last night to check out the club.
    
    Wow.  There was easily 600 people in there.  It's 18+.
    Storm was kickin' butt, as usual.
    
    I cannot WAIT until Thursday.
    
    The owner was really cool too, reserved a table for us, no cover
    and bought us a round.

    
    Say Coop,
     I heard your ad on the radio twice now for the Cavalcade gig. One
    thing, how come their pluggin you guys as a Denver based band?
    
                                                                 mike
    
    

    Yeah, Jason called me up this morning saying he'd heard that too and
    wondered about the "Denver" thing.
    
    gh

Yeah, I know... KILO and KATM *AND* KKFM are *ALL* f*ckin' sayin'
that !!  (I Put a DYHIW... in 99.lately). I also put a call into 
the three stations to square it away...

Eeeesh.
:)

Imagine the audacity !
:)

And if you want in for free send mail now or pay a $3 cover !!

jc (leavin' in a few...)

    
    300 Hard replies

    HardBall was SMOKIN last night. There were 680 people there and the
    band was ROOLIN!!!!! The next performance is April 22-25 at Union
    Station. DON'T MISS IT.
    
    Lowell
    

    RE: Mike
    
    They wouldn't let us play it.  :(  One of 'dem DJ doods...
    Union Station for sure though !!  
    
    RE: Lowell
    
    Thanks man !!
    
    It *was* a most righteous night...  Everybody was "on", the sound was
    good, the babes in mini-skirt were happenin' and we've been contracted
    to play there for quite a while into the future (with a nice raise!).
    
    Union will be cool too - the Gazette Telegraph will be reviewing our
    performance; we'll be the G-T's April SpotLight band.
    
    jc (Who loves playin' that club !!)
                                                              

I'll re-due that...

Forgot to mention that the Finals were NOT last Thursday, they are on
30 April 1990 - the owner said he'd hand-picked us for the even.  Cool eh?

Pueblo rulez !!

jc

    Don't hold your breath ...

    Yeah, I'm still waiting for Coop's GN Vol 4 submission!!  8^)

    .... And I'm still waiting for his GN Vol 3 submission ... ;^]
    
    

    ...and I'm still waiting for his GN Vol 1 submission....  ];^)

Alright, alright !! - eeeesh.

Everytime I go to  send something out, I get more stuff to add to it.
:)

jc

                         April 22 - 25, 1992
    
    
    
    			    H A R D B A L L
    				 live
    				  at
    				  the
       			     Union Station
    				  on
    		     	       Union Blvd.
                           Colorado Springs, CO.

We've got a one hour show case set to do at BoOmErs (Murray and Platte)
in Colorado Springs.  We sure could use your support if you can make it 
out...  Come on out and hear some of our new originals...

Sorry for the short notice - we JUST found out about it.

jc (Pose-boy #1)

    
    
    Caught HARDBALL at Boomers last night!  You guys were ROCKIN', Coop!!
    (Cool bar, too!)
    
    Hey, the HARDBALL ORIGINAL "That's All" was REALLY good!!  Shocked the
    sh!t out of me, actually!                   ------
    
    Congrats on, no doubt, getting a weekend spot there and we'll see you
    at the Cavalcade thursday!  Ooo-oooo, mini-skirt finals!!
                                            8-)   <=====8
    
    Hammer.

Thanks Hammer-dood!

The owner was rating the bands there last night.  We took the highest 
score with a 26 out of a 30.  Club/band management are fighting out the 
details now - but we'll be in there (probably by the end of May) for a
Thursday-Saturday thing.

RE: Buck - what the he!! are you talkin' bout ??   :)

RE: Cavalcade - Yeah man, *tomorrow* night at the Cavalcade on Fortino  
    Blvd in Pueblo.  It's 18+.  It's a MAJOR party joint.  There were
    a BUNCH of people there last time - like around 700 screamin' metal
    heads... (And about 500 of 'em were of the female gender and scantilly
    clad in spandex...)  - Humana,humana...

jc (making plans for a trip to the studio soooonnnnnn so we can record our
    original stuff)

    
    I saw you guys were video-tappin' at the Union Station last weekend.
    You should do that at the Cavalcade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Tape'll look best with a mega-huge crowd, ESPECIALLY with scantily clad
    babes on the dancefloor!!
    
    
    Hammer (who had the nickname back when rap was something you
            did to a person)
    8-)

Yepper, we taped at Union Station last week, and taped the last time we 
were at Cavalcade - It was FUN!  We'll be taping tomorrow too.

I'm hoping to make a compilation vid of some of our better stuff to send
out to folks instead of plain-old-audio stuff.  :)

jc

    RE: Coop
    
    Misplaced note.  Network fart!

RE: Buck.

:)

Hope to see some of you Coloradians at Cavalcade tonight !!

It's gonna be killer !!!!!

jc

    
    
    How do you say it, Coop?  Hummana-hummana?
    
    Cavalcade was AWESOME last night!!  I can't believe the chick that
    won the miniskirt contest - boo-hiss-hiss!  The devil (my fav) who
    took second should easily have won!!  SHE WAS HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    All-in-all, the place was rockin' with good tunes (courtesy of
    HARDBALL!), hot babes (I was doing my Cliff Clavin imitation all
    night), and one semi-descent fight!
    
    Keep up the good work, Coop!
    
    
    Hammer. 

    Thanks Hammer-dood !
    
    It was a pretty good night for sure - 'twas the most people I've seen
    in there.  Official-tally was 847 folks payed cover to get in.  
    
    There were 12 HOT lookin' femme-fatals in the contest (including my
    fave-long-blond-hair-women-from the depths of my perverted imagination
    - who didn't win, but should have :).   The contest ran long so we ended
    up playing only 4-45 minute sets.  The place was rockin'.
    
    Thanks to all that came out !!
    
    jc
                                       

    jc,
    
              With 847 folks that payed either two or three dollars each
         to get in, I sure hope you actually made $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
         
    

Skipster - Oh yeah - we get paid well to play at the Cavalcade.
Better than any other place we've played so far...  But Boomers
beat the Cavalcade out with our new contract.

We'll be there (Boomers) 28-30 May 1992 !!

jc

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Come spend an afternoon with HardBall at Rice Music
Saturday 16 May 1992.

HardBall will be the featured band this Saturday, outdoors with
Blues Saraceno and other special guests.  There will be 
a BBQ and other goodies for free - plus a raffle for some
free GTS stuff, RIFFMEISTER contest and all sorts of fun and 
games.  After the show, Blues will be doing his clinic
(which I've seen and think is cool!).

Come on out !  

Rice Music is located on S. 8th Street in Colorado Springs, CO.

This guy is just TOO nice !!
jc
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ZYMRGY::sam "Gonna boogie my scruples away"          52 lines  12-MAY-1992 15:45
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    This seemed as good a place as any to put this

I went to a HardBall gig here in the Springs recently.  This was my first
"noters gig", and first time I've seen anyone I know personally here in
Colorado.  I shared some thoughts/comments with Jeff via mail and he asked me
to share some of my thoughts with the ::GUITAR community.  Why not, eh?

First, I have to say, despite all the ragging and chiding back and forth,
Coop's sound is pretty damn good!  Of course, with that "rack from hell" and
all those lights he'd better damn well be able to get a good sound from it!
:-)  Of course the *3* Marshall 4x12 cabs didn't hurt, either.  (Personally
I think he just likes the logo.  :-))  He doesn't use too much layering of
effects which is a real problem with some of these high tech rigs/players.
He still manages to keep the dynamics and attack while getting the sound
his music demands of him.

The overall sound of the band is very crisp, and all the players have the
chops to pull things off.  The bassist/singer is one of those who has the
ability to very closely resemble the vocal sound of whoever he's covering;
Pretty good for a little guy who won't play the blues.  :-)  Actually,
the whole band seems to have that ability:  the covers are done almost
exactly like the originals.  They covered "Smoke On the Water" and did
it *exactly* right.  As I told Coop, sure, this is a song that every 14
year old can play the notes to, but Hardball gave all the right inflections
to everything, got the feel right, and those vocals ...  Heaven for someone
who grew up listening to Deep Purple.

Despite his self-effacing comments in here Coop is quite the guitarist.  He's
got the style and the chops for this kind of music down to a "t".  The other
guitarist in the band is technically a wizard.  His playing is fast and
precise.  Unfortunately, he was struggling with amp settings at this point
(just gave into MRP-itis and hasn't got the patches setup properly yet) and
thus had a pretty thin sound that night.  This was my main criticism of the
band's performance;  It would have been near perfect if he'd had his sound
together.  Luckily this was a smaller club (Union Station) and the crowd was
thin, so very few people noticed.  :-)

Some of the stuff the band does is not exactly the style of music I play
personally, but I can listen to just about anything, and what they did sounded
great!  I'd recommend them to anyone who wants to see a good band.  Of course
it helps if you're in the Colorado Springs area...  :-)

Oh, one last thing;  they were trying out a new sound man that night, a guy
that I know apart from the band (I'd never heard him "do sound" before though).
He was _GREAT_.  From what Coop said, they'd never even rehearsed before, but
Roger knew right where to put everything in the mix.  Even did a great flange
solo during the drum solo.  :-)  Way to go, Roger Bolte!

(So Coop, do I get the money you said you'd pay me to write this now?  :-))

-- Sam
~

    
    
    On that note:
    
    	A buddy of mine is a guitar player here in the Springs and has
    	managed to catch Hardball several times when I drag him out by
    	his ear [he's into playing the top 40's, ie, wedding reception
    	stuff].  He caught the same show at the Union Station and also
    	mentioned Tom's guitar sound as being rather poor that night
    	[Tom being "the other guitar player" that Sam mentioned; also,
    	he used different words  8-) ].  Not being a guitar player, I
    	couldn't figure out why but did also notice.  Tom's sound was
    	much better at the Cavalcade.
    
    	Coop, for those of you who like to bust his nuts, has improved
    	greatly since first starting the band.  Amazing what playing in
    	front of people will do to improve your performance, ey, Coop?!
    	
    
    	Hammer.

Thanks Carl - Yeah in Toms defense he spends a lot of time in EDIT mode
learning how to make his new gear work.  He'll settle down after a year
or so...  :)

Thanks for the complement too man, I appreciate it.  They say playing out
is the best practice in the world....

FWIW - We've played 24 engagements so far this year.  Thats roughly
one thousand songs, 120 hours of playing time, 192 shots of Southern Comfort,
and 384 consumed budweisers.  This doesn't included practice.
I figured it out:  We make $.10/hour.  :)  I gotta really cool spread sheet.
:)

The latest news is that within the next three weeks, we'll be going to a 
local studio to do a DAT (for Cassette dups and possible CD's when we all 
get rich).  It'll be an "EP" I guess - 4 originals on side one for the 
EP thing, and four covers for a demo on side two...  

The EP side will be called "HardBall - Playing For Keeps" and will have:

Playin' For Keeps
Thats All
Devils Games
To Be A Fool

FWIW - 'Thats All' is the Ballad (or as Buck would say "Ballard" :) you
heard us play out at The Cavalcade last time... A great song for mutual
polishing of belt buckles.  :)

The demo side will have four covers:

Seek And Destroy - Metallica
Last Time In Paris - Queensryche
SOS - Motley Crue
Never Enough - LA Guns

If we have time, we'll also do "I'll Be There For You" by BonJovi
(another song for polishin' belt buckles :)

jc

In my little walkman right NOW.  It's a compilation of boom-box stuff,
recordings from gigs from the board, hung mikes (no offense dood :).

The best recording we got is a sears and roebuck stereo tape deck plugged 
into the board at Union Station back in March... Got a killer copy of
Caseys drum solo and "Dirty Deeds".  yamaha drums RIP!

Anyway - I think I'll wait until I can get one
of similar recording quality to the Joyful Noyz 
demo - I don't want to embarass myself.  :)  Should 
be about a month.

jc

    
    
    	Ya, I also wanted to toss in a note on the other guys but I
    	didn't want your head to explode, Coop.
    
    	But FWIW, and to people who haven't taken a road trip to
    	CO Springs to catch you guys, Guido's an excellent bass
    	player and a damn good singer, and Casey friggin' explodes
    	on them drums!!  You guy's are doin' good.  Let me know when
    	I can get a tape.  Got some belt buckles that need-a-shinin'!!
    
    	Hammer.

Guido is a good bass player ??  The bass is for looks, man.

:)

jc

    Hey Coop .... what you guys think about working up "Evil Angel" ?
    
    Jerry (who'd love to hear it in a good mix ...)

No body wants to do it...  I said "Listen to this" and started playing it...
they all loved it...then I showed 'em the lyrics.  I think they rule, but
these guys HATE doin' a cover of Shout At The Devil cuz of the lyrics.
Eeeesh.
:)

    $ set envir/node=(franz,hanz)
    $ write sys$output "Sounds like the other band members are little
      GURLIE men, and need a spanking, ya ?"
    
    phuk 'em ...

Most of the stuff we write is more "pop" oriented metal - not
so much anger and all...  But I made 'em stop using "Baby"
in half the versus... Progress man- progress :^)  

jc (WHo still LOVES the song - ESPECIALLY that hook) 

    
    
    	HEY, if the bass is just for show, why don't you get someone
    	a little cuter than Guido to show it?!  Ahh, say, how about
    	the chick with the grass skirt from the miniskirt contest?
    	Ya, ya, that's it!
    
    	8-)     <=====8

She wouldn't be able to be in the band - she's be too distracting
and Tom and I would screw up.  :)

jc

    
    
    	Who'd be watching?!
    
    	'Course we'd HEAR the screwups.  Unless you played louder and
    	more obnoxiously.  Then we'd never notice!

FYI - We've got studio dates in the first week of June...

    
    Cool! What kind of studio? How many tracks ya doing?
    
    I PROMISE the tape is on it's way. I'm picking up a new batch tonight.
    We can either swap or reimburse...

A swap would be cool...

We're going with 8 track (1/2") this time - the price is right, and this 
guys work and gear is EXCELLENT. Tascam, Lexicon, TC etc..etc.. with SMPTE 
video too - which we can use later if the $$$ are there.  It'll be mixed to 
DAT and distributed on cassette until we can afford something better (CD's 
are *BIG* bucks, as you know  :).

We'll put four of our originals down, and whip out 4 covers while we're 
there...the tapes will come in two flavors "Demo" and "EP" (if I may be so
bold :).  The "demo" will have originals on one side, covers on the other.
The EP flavor will have 2 originals on each side.  We want to sell the EP
tapes at shows and local stores, and use limited releases of the demo
for friends and that.

We should have a mixdown by the first weekend in June.

jc

    
    	You're going with 8-track?
    
    
    	I don't even have an 8-track player!!
    
    							GTI
    
    	P.S.  Yeah, I'm kidding.

Sssssssssssssssssssmack!
:)

Gee Shawn, I shoulda known you'd say that.  :)  Seems like years since
you've done a reply like that.  :)

jc

>The EP flavor will have 2 originals on each side.  
    
    Umm, not that anyone cares, but I prefer demo tapes that have a full
    program on each side.  I hate fast forwarding past blank space that has
    to be there because one side's longer then the other.
    
    gh

Good input Greg - I guess I'd pretty much be at the mercy of the 
cassette duplication place (ya know - like, what can I do?).

:)

jc (Who'll be hopefulyl quite happy with it regardless)

True enough - It can go either way - we could have all four songs
put on BOTH sides too - I've seen that done.  I guess it all depends
on what the dupe-place and us decide on...

jc

    We'll have preliminary copies of our EP/Demo this weekend...
    If you'd like a copy and haven't sent me your address, please
    do.
    
    jc

    
    Good luck, dood!

    
    aw, you guys suck.  take your demo and stuff it!!  :') :') :') x many
    
    

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I'd like to grab Alans topic here too.

A little background on my band also, just so ya know:

HardBall is a contempory pop metal band.  We do 80% covers of "old metal"
(AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Nazareth, Juda Priest etc), and covers of "new stuff" 
(Metallica, Shotgun Messiah, Alice In Chains, Tora Tora, Guns n Roses etc...).
We're four piece and we're vocally intensive (means we all sing).  We write
some original material when we can come to terms with our schedule.  We're
based in Colorado Springs and play the local heavy metal bar circuit here, 
and in Pueblo (soon in Denver too).

Like Alans band, we'd had a rough four track demo we did at our rehearsal
studio, and thought it was pretty happenin'...heh-heh; I stand corrected.
Anyway, we decided that we'd kill two birds with one stone.  We started 
planning a trip to the studio to get a 4 song "demo" and a 4 song "ep"
that we could sell at our shows.

Here's what we ended up with.


                                Studio Review

Name:  		Americus Audio
Engineer:       Jim Barber
Format:		8 track R2R  (Tascam 48)
Price:		$15/hour (Includes couple hours set up)
Mixer:		Tascam M320B (20x4x4x2)
Outboard:	Lexicon LXP1
		Yamaha R1000
 		Effectron II
		TC 2290
		Yamaha SPX90
		BBE Sonic Maximizer
		DBX150X
		DBX Gating
		

Mixdown:	Cassette (Nakamichi)
		DAT (Tascam DA30)
		

Comments:	8 tunes for approx. $200.
		Stereo drums (2 tracks)
		Free tape
		Two free DAT's
		Two free cassettes
		Video monitoring and a tape !!
		

Here's how it's going:

Night 1

We arrived at 17:00 and unloaded our gear and staged in the garage.
First thing we noticed is that the drum room was way to small for our
drummer (Casey) and his kit.  He has 16pc Yamaha Custom...Of course, he 
only brought a 6pc sub-set...But the bass drum is HUGE...  After trying to
make him fit we ended up setting him up in the garage.

Drums were recorded onto two tracks of the TASCAM.  Kick drum (single, with
double pedal) was miked with an Audio Technica ATM25.  The mike was "in" the
drum. Highhat was miked with a EV PL6.  Snare was miked with Shure SM57, all
toms (rack and floor) with Beyer Dymanic MkII (M-76).  I'll have to get the 
model/number of the three overheads and post tomorrow...But there were three
overheads (cute itty bitty little mikes :).

Both guitar racks were set on top of each other in the room where Tom, Guido 
and myself would play.  Speaker cords were run into other rooms (1 room for 
Tom, one for me).  

I used a Celestion stuffed 4x12 in stereo mode, Tom used my 2x12's from ABC
with PV Scorpions.  For Tom, a Beyer M-76 were placed in between the two cabs
about 2 feet away from each.  The 2x12's were place perpendicularly (sp?) from
each other.  

For me, the M-76 was placed about three feet away from the cab pointing right 
in the middle.  My cab was in a larger room, Toms were in the "closet"...
(just like where you put your cabs, Greg).

We both used our "live" patches.  Y'all know what my rig_o_doom is like, 
Toms is a Roland GP16 with a MOSvalve.

Tom recorded "wet" with an Ibanez RG565 and a Charvel Model 4. 
I recorded "dry" with an Ibanez USA Custom.

Guido used a Randall bass head with direct out and an effects loop.
In the FX loop he used a DSP128+ for a touch of chorus and a hair of 
doubling.

Track layout:

Track 1 Drums
Track 2 Drums
Track 3 Guitar (jc)
Track 4 Guitar (tom)
Track 5 Bass (Guido)
Track 6 Scratch (guide-vocal)

We played everything live for the tracks...So tracks 1-5 are keepers.
Pretty much first takes on it all (with exceptions like "Man, restart it,
I hit the damn mike" stuff - scratch one Beyer M-76).  We listened to the 
tape returns (dry) before we left - quality is killer.

We recorded 8 tunes:

Original stuff			Covers:
--------------                  -------
Devils Games                    Enter:SandMan - Metallica
Thats All                       Man In The Box - Alice In Chains
Playin' For Keeps               You've Got Another Thing Comin' - Priest
To Be A Fool                    Highway To Hell - AC/DC

On the originals, we'll go back and punch in some some patches... We're after
a really good DAT so we can make/sell tapes and CD's (An "EP" if you will).
We'll spend most of our time with the originals.  

The covers will more than likely stay the way they are.  They are for demo 
purposes.

Tonight is our last night.  We do vocals (tracks 6,7,8) and any patching 
(punching) that needs done.  We should have a couple of DATs' and couple of 
Cassette masters in our hands before we leave.

Draw backs of Americus Audio:

1.  The headphone system is SH*T!
2.  Drum room is too small

My advise if you're going to pay for studio time - (I'll repeat what Alan
Starr said):

1. Plan.  Know what your going to play, and have an idea in your head for
   miking and layout.  Make sure you bring your tuner, cords, whatever.
2. Expectations MUST be communicated.  We told the engineer that we wanted a 
   broadcast (CD) quality EP to sell, and a four song cover/demo.
3. Practice your ass off - know your sh*t - Be prepared.  Man, we couldn't even 
   SEE our drummer, and the headphones s*cked, so be prepared for oddities like
   that.  We just finished a 4 nighter at a club, so we were well rehearsed...
   Best practice in the world  :)
4. Name your producer and follow number 2.  :)

All tolled up, we started at 5, sent Tom back to our practice studio for the
cymbals Casey forgot (drummers, man...sheesh!). And were partying by 9pm or so.

Part two tomorrow...

Well, we finished our recording last night, but never made it to 
mix down.  I have an appointment Friday at 13:00 to go over and play 
producer.  Should be a LOT of fun.  I suspect this tape will  come out
excellent.  What I do have for listening is a straight (dry) dump from
all eight tracks (with no mixing).  I'll be making production notes from 
that.  Umm, one vocal track might be re-done.

First, a couple of corrections from yesterdays write up:

- HiHat mike was an Ibanez Comm 3 condenser mike
- Overheads were Audio Technica ATM Pro 7's
- Guitars were miked with Beyer Dynamics M400's
- Drums were miked with Beyer Dynamics M69's
- Vocals were done with SM58's.

Disclaimers - The four covers we did are for demo purposes only.  We didn't do
ANY punches on them at all (thinking we wanted to spend our money on the
original stuff).  There are a couple of boo-boos on the covers, so be warned.
:) We did 8 songs in 8 hours total.  It'll provbably take us 3-4 hours to mix
it up right and maybe 30 minute to patch a vocal track on "Playin' For Keeps".

Basically, everything is still live.  A couple of punches for lead guitar on
the originals.  The punches were done by the engineer, James Barber, whilst
we sat in the control room next to the mixer via wireless...

Here's how the tracks laid out:

1 - Drums
2 - Drums
3 - Guitar
4 - Guitar
5 - Bass Guitar
6 - Lead vocals
7 - Backing vocals
8 - Backing vocals

Copies of the finished product will go out Monday (I hope!) !

jc

Okay - we're in "Post Production".  We did a mixdown to cassette
Friday and have been listening to it over the weekend - the only 
one who has heard it outside the band is Greg...Only cuz I managed
to bait him over to my house to suffer thru it.  :)

I've got two pages of production notes on it (thanks for the inputs Greg!), 
and one vocal overdub left on one of our originals.  We should be finished 
and produced to DAT by the end of the week.

I think it'll be pretty decent when we're done...

jc

    Speaking of that, I was gonna drop a note in here to say that I was
    pretty impressed with most of the performances captured on your tape
    and the original songs were much better then I expected.  With a good
    mix, this could be a great tape.
    
    gh

Geez Greg - After paying you $15/hour and the studio time in post production,
we'll be broke.  :) 

Seriously though I wouldn't mind having you there at mixdown time - at all!

IMHO, the worst thing in the world is to have a guitar player play producer...
At least without someone there for a sanity check.  I'm a guitar tone expert 
not a ensemble expert.  :).

:)

Cuz Greg knows me better ?!?!

jc (Who's got a new trophy for his rehearsal studio wall!!)

Besides that, Greg and I argue better.
Right dood ?
:)

>Geez Greg - After paying you $15/hour and the studio time in post production,
>we'll be broke.  :) 

    I wouldn't charge ya...at least not the *first* time.  ;^)
    
>Seriously though I wouldn't mind having you there at mixdown time - at all!
    
    As said offline, I could get into it.
    
>Besides that, Greg and I argue better.                   
>Right dood ?

    THAT we do!  8^)
    
    gh

You'll get credit for sure - in fact, you'd have gotten credit for listening
to the rough mix Saturday afternoon.  Anybody who can sit thru 45 minutes of 
that gets honorable mention.

jc (Who only argues with his friends :)

    Well....I'm listening to HardBall demo right now and hears how it
    sounds:
    Devil's Games:  Very cool melody...I like it. Guitar solo is buff....
    Good groove in the verse.
    
    That's All:Very cool atmosphere. I like the feeling in the chord
    struture. Emotion up the butt.
    
    Playing for Keeps:I like the drum intro. 8)  Ac/Dcish groove....
    I like the weird bridge before the second chorus.
    Kinda cheesy lyrics but everybody write those....8)
    I was less impressed by this solo than the other two.
    You might try a key modulation at the end. I don't know if it would
    work...Just a thought.
    
    Overall:Good guitar sound and work. Good drum sound and work...I like
    the drummer's style. The bass is buried...
    I think if you guys had a really good singer it would be great.  Even
    though *I* KNOW how hard that is...
    Guido isn't REAL bad but IMHO the band would sound better with a 
    good singer.
    
           OVER OVERALL: I was sincerely impressed. It was better than I
    thought it was going to be.  
    Good job Coop.
    
                  Frizkid
    

Thinks Friz-pose...  I appreciate your comments!
I can't wait to get it mixed right tho...  Come on Thursday !

jc

>You'll get credit for sure - in fact, you'd have gotten credit for listening
>to the rough mix Saturday afternoon.  Anybody who can sit thru 45 minutes of 
>that gets honorable mention.

    ...and I only hurled once.
    
    gh

    That's strange...You must have the stomach from hell because I hurled
    three times. 8)   The tape bolted too so it was never meant to be..8)
    
    
        Frizbrat
    

Buff ??

Bolted ??

Dood - I think we need a slang dictionary here...
:)

    Buff=Strong.
    
    Bolted=Ran away at a hurried pace.
    
             Friz
    

I'm too old (and/or busy) to keep up Friz...
:)

jc (Who wants to BOLT now... :)

    I had the "Wayne's Vocabulary" clip from the newspaper in my old office
    for an eternity, dude!  You should have checked it out.  I tossed it
    when we moved buildings though...
    
    gh

We're going back to Americus tonight for a quick overdub and the final
mix to DAT.  I should be ready to send out "fake" copies of the final
by the weekend.  Stay tuned !!

jc

    Where's my tape???
    
    (my turn)
    
    :}   Bob
    

Yo Bob, Still wrestling with post production...  We gotta at least TRY to
get it sounding as good at the Contagious tape!  :)

MUCHO thanks to Greg House for coming out last night and playing Co-Producer
for HardBall.  We got two of our four originals mixed to DAT last night, and
hopefully will finish TONIGHT, which means that I'll have pre-lim tapes to 
send out Monday.

Again, the tapes our friends get will have 8 tunes:

Side A			Side B
------                  ------
Devils Games (Done)	You've Got Another Thing Comin' 
Thats All - (Done)	Man In The Box 
To Be A Fool		Highway To Hell
Playin' For Keeps	Enter Sandman

The "B" side is just for demo purposes.  We did everything live except 
for a vocal overdub on Highway To Hell, as you could hear a chunk of
Guidos lung hit the mike.  :)  We're devoting our efforts and $$ to the 
Side A stuff which'll be made into Cassette and CD.

jc

    We're done.
    
    We've got little flaw in the DAT to fix, which our engineer is trying
    to do as we speak !  Every heard of "DAT Doubt" ?  It's when you're
    between "frames" - we got a little bit of a false start on "Thats All"
    that we're trying to ditch.  Kinda like a ghost on your TV.
    
    Anyway, I'll be making copies some copies this weekend.  The final
    order is:
    
    Side A                      	Side B
    ------                              ------
    HardBall - Playin' For Keeps        HardBall - Demo
    
    Playin' For Keeps                   Another Thing Comin' - (Priest)
    Devils' Games                       Man In The Box - (Alice In Chains)
    Thats All                           Highway To Hell - (AC/DC)
    To Be A Fool                        Enter Sandman - (Metallica)
    
    Any other requests for copies of the preproduction ??  (Like before
    we start selling the pro-dupes ?
    
    jc

Here's a list of people on the "I wanna tape" list.
I'll send these tapes out today at lunch.
Anyone else ??  Send mail

JJ
Chris Escobar
Tigg~~
Staynz
Mikey
Bonzo
SueJ
Alan S.
Pril
Chris_D
Bob Mercier
Scary
Jim Zappia
Jaz
TTT
Mike Ferris

    
    Add me, we can do a swap.

'Kay...

	Me 2 dude!


						-Seth

You got it - One for Woobie, and one for you !!

jc (Who wishes it was more like MegaDeth, but...)

    Be thankful ... you *know* Megadeth sucks ... 8^)
    

>    Be thankful ... you *know* Megadeth sucks ... 8^)
 
	Dems fightin' woards!!!!! ;^)


	   

Personally - I'd love to do some MegaDeth, but it's pretty tuff stuff.

jc (who can play Hanger 18 a little...)

    But they SUCK, coop...

	I can play the beginning of Hangar 18!!!

	But that is easy!! ;^)


							-Seth

    Ok,ok,ok!
    
    I've been goaded about writing up a review of this tape long enough, so
    here it is.
    
    First off, I'll have to say I'm a little biased about parts of it,
    since I was involved in the mix, so keep that in mind.
    
    First off, overall comment:  Good original songs!  I'll refrain from
    saying I was surprised 'cause I know Jeff's getting tired of hearing
    that from everyone...
    
    I was impressed with the arrangements of the songs and the performances
    were quite good, even though I have to say that some of the lyrics are
    real cheezy (trite, cliche...)  But they're not bad enough to keep me
    from listening to it and enjoying it anyway.  The production could have
    been better, but given the amount of time and money spent doing the
    sessions to record and mix this, I'd have to say it's pretty good.
    
    I'd be interested in hearing anyone else's comments on the
    mix/production (since I helped).  Feel free to send 'em to me offline
    if you want.
    
    I'm not going to do a song-by-song.  I liked all the original songs. 
    
    The covers didn't seem to have the same cohesiveness to the mix as the
    originals, probably because they were rushed through.  Some of the 
    sounds on 'em just didn't seem to blend well.  But they're just for 
    demo stuff for clubs anyway and they'll do fine for that.
    
    Greg
                

    Hurry and send my 'package' Coop! 
    
    8)

Thanks Greg !

Hey 'Pril - I'm working on it, but I can't get the stamp 
to stick to me!
:)

>Hey 'Pril - I'm working on it, but I can't get the stamp 
>to stick to me!
    
    That's cuz it's one of those LSD Mickey Mouse stamps!

Is that my monitor keep de-gaussing all by itself ??
:)

    I finally got a chance to listen to the whole tape....and I have to say
    that the originals are Major Way Cool!!!!!!!!!  Especially 'Thats All'!
    That one has to be my favorite!  But Guido sounded wierd on the covers!
    8^)
                  All in all.....one studdly demo dude!!!!
    
                                                             jazzzzz
    
    

       
    
                    Where's my tape!!!!

    and mine...............

    Wharz my tape?

    All of you peasents don't deserve a tape from the WORLD FAMOUS
    **HARDBALL**!!!!!! 8)
    
            Friz<
    

    Yu keep yer mouth shut...nobody values the op-onion of a Poseman!
    
    :)

    
    I'm not worthy! 8-)

    Sniff...Sniff...There you go hurting my feelings again, Bob!
         What are you so filled with hate?
    
                     Friz
    

    I can help a little (since I was there when it was mixed).  The guitar
    you hear in the Left channel is always Coop and the one in the Right
    channel is Tom.  One of Tom's leads was panned up center, but for the
    most part, the panning stayed on through the leads.
    
    Guido sang the leads on all the originals except "That's All", which
    Tom sang.  Tom also sang "Enter Sandman" on the cover side.
      
    gh

    Yeah - lesse:
    
    Covers:
    
    First off, everything was first take - live, except the vox which
    we over dubbed on all of 'em.
    
    Another Thing Comin' - Guido sings, I got the lead (natch :) 
    
    Man In The Box - Guido sings, Toms got the lead
    
    Highway To Hell - Guido sings, I've got the lead, but I HATE that 
    lead - I couldn't hear it in the headphones and I fluffed thru hangin'
    by a hair. I might go back down and overdub it cuz I don't want anyone
    to think I can't fake Angus.  :)
    
    Enter Blandman - Tom sings.  I take the first half of the lead, and Tom
    (blew) the second half.  Again - live stuff, sh*tty headphones/mix.
    
    
    Originals - Guido sings 'em all except for 'Thats All'
    
    Playin' For Keeps - Tom plays the first lead, I take the key change.
    
    Devils Games - This one is about Tom catchin' his ex-wife bumpin'
    uglies with some other dood.  Tom takes the first lead, I take the key
    change.
    
    Thats All - Tom sings, I do all the lead work.  My personal favorite.
    I love playin' those lazy-boy leads (Schhhwwwiinnggg !)
    
    To Be A Fool - Tom takes the first lead, I take the key change.  
    (See a pattern here ??).
    
    FWIW - Tom is our lyric man.  He wrote lyrics to all our originals
    except to be a fool - can you tell ?  Guido is the cheese-dog-lyric
    guy...  Tom and I wrote the hooks, and I'm "The Bridge Man".  Casey
    also has a lot fo input (especially for a drummer).  Casey and I have
    written a BUNCH of stuff that is generally too metallic or heavy
    for the others, so...
    
    We've been gettin' requests for Devils Games, Thats All and To Be A
    Fool quite a bit.
    jc

    
    
    	COOP!  How could you forget me, man?  Don't I get a copy?
    
    	8'-(
    
    

    Wher's my tape...'n stuff?

OK, here's my in depth review of the Hardball demo:

A: PLAYING FOR KEEPS
1 - Playing For Keeps:  1 star.  I didn't like the cheese d*ck lyrics at all.
    The beat was great, including the cowbell.  Keep the bridge, throw the 
    rest away ...
2 - Devil's Games:  4 stars.  Signature Jeff Cooper lead and tone.  This is
    a *good* tune from start to finish.
3 - That's All:  4 stars.  Had a very "Scorpions" touch ... which is great
    in a ballad.  The feedback/harmonics during the outro lead induced a
    blue vein shwing.
4 - To Be A Fool:  2 stars.  The song is WAY out of the singer's range.  
    The transitions are catchy, and the lyrics are *ok*.

SUMMARY:  Be a little more flexable when it comes to phrasing lyrics.  Some 
of these cuts have a very generic (read: unimaginitave) vocal delivery, and 
they sorta die.  The hooks and bridges sound great - work on the vocals 
some and the songs will be tits.


B:  DEMO
1 - Another Thing Coming:  2 stars.  I'm tired of this song.  Maybe 
    "Breakin' The Law" or "Electric Eye" would have grabbed anoter star
    from me.  It seemed a tad slow, and the chords used in the bridge sound 
    wrong.  B D A F#, B D A C# methinks ...
2 - Man In The Box:  4 stars.  Excellent job here !  When the singer 
    pronounced "pit" and that *other* word, he didn't hang on it long 
    enough ... was he afraid someone was gonna hear him say a naughty word ?
3 - Highway To Hell:  3 stars.  Another tired old song, but it was well 
    executed.
4 - Enter Sandman:  4 stars.  GOOD JOB !!!  Kinda muffed the ending, but I 
    know there wasn't a lot of time devoted to the cover material.

SUMMARY:  Being a cover band, I'm sure these tunes were done in your sleep.  
They were done well, and it sounded like you guys knew them note for note, 
which is what ya hafta do.  Like any band, I'm sure the live performance 
would murder these versions, and these were pretty good overall.

Scary

>1 - Another Thing Coming:  2 stars.  I'm tired of this song.  Maybe 
>    "Breakin' The Law" or "Electric Eye" would have grabbed anoter star
>    from me.  It seemed a tad slow, and the chords used in the bridge sound 
>    wrong.  B D A F#, B D A C# methinks ...
 
    Not that I have My Git with me, but Scary is on the track...
    
    D	B-7	A 	F#-	D	B-7	A	C#
    *   * 
    
    
    * Either this way, or reversed.

    Reversed ... 8^)
    

  D5                   D/C             A5		     F#5	
  In this world we're livin' in, we've had our share of sorrow

(That D/C thing is probably incorrect chord-lingo...Here it 'tis)

G--7------------------------------------2-----------------------
D--7------------------7-----------------2---------------------4-
A--5------------------4-----------------0---------------------4-
E-------------------------------------------------------------2-

Thanks for the killer review Scary mon!!

jc (Who lost his clusters' system disk on the day before year-end-closing :(

    -1
    
    Thta's DEFINTELY wrong, dude!
    
       D                   B-7              A5		F#-	
       In this world we're livin' in, we've had our share of sorrow
    
    E  2                   2
    B  3                   3
    G  2                   2                2           2
    D  o                   4                2           4
    A                      2                o           4
    E                                                   2
    
    
    

Hmmm...  I'll have to try that...

    ...and for nits beyond belief...
    
          D/C 
    we're livin' in
    
       ---7----
       ---4----
    
    Even if you were to play this chord, it's not D/C, it's A/C# (A major,
    1st inversion).

    It's just two notes, could fit into a lotta chords...
    
    gh

Yeah whatever...  :)

We've been playing it like that for quite a while, and
it works so...

    Hey, Coop!!!  Where is my tape!?!?!??

    Coop: Are ya ever gonna tell everybody the big secret?
    
                 Friz
    

    Whats the secret and where's my tape!!!!!!!!
    
    Bob

    RE: Glh & 2 notes
    
    Well, considering general harmony, it could only be a couple of things:
    
    A/C# (no 5)
    
    C#-6 (no b3)
    
    F#- 2nd inversion (no root)
    
    
    Taking into chord tone elimination theories, the 3rd degree (b, or
    normal) is more important than the 5th degree, so that is why it
    eliminates the latter two choices feasibly analyzed as such.

    HA!HA! I'd love to listen to you and Kyle talk because you both sound
    the same.  You guys would probably have me so confused I'd plug my ears
    and go "LA,LA,LA,LA,LA,LA,LA!
    
               Friz
    

I'm sitting on the tapes - I've got to go back and mix one of the originals,
cuz there is a blip on the DAT source.

HardBall is history.  I recommended we recruit a frontman that we had jam 
with us at a gig and Guido and Tom freaked.  Casey and I are putting together 
a new band with said frontman (a Sebastian Bach/Axl Rose type dood).  We're
looking for a guitarist & bassist.  Casey and I, in the mean time, are writing
some new originals.

Feces Occurs.

So - If your know an agressive obnoxious bassist and guitarist, send 'em
our way.
:)

>HardBall is history.  I recommended we recruit a frontman that we had jam 
>with us at a gig and Guido and Tom freaked.
    
    Was not Guido splitting the gig anyways??  i thought I recently saw an
    ad for a bassist/vocalist...WTF?!
    
    Is Tom the lead singer??  I can't see why he would freak, unless the
    addition of one more person and the thought of subtraction of 1/5 of
    the band's gig money was bugging him.
    
    Whatever...
    

Guido (bass) and Tom (guit) split the singing.  Guido did most of the lead 
vocals...He has stamina problems though and by the forth night, his voice is 
shot to sh*t.  So we meet guy who has power (FREAKED our sound man), stamina, 
the look, the ballz and is a major league front-man-unit (the attitude thing
ya know).  See, Guido isn't that hot of a bassist, so I think job security
was an issue - ergo, we take away his singing and make him a very mediocre
bassist, and before you know it he's out of the picture.

Splitting gig money 5 ways definately attributed to their demise too...They
consider the band a source of income, where I consider it a release of
pent up musical energy.  (Wow - did I say that ??). What I mean is, I do it
for love of music and performing - they do it to put food on the table...

jc (Who is auditioning a bassist tonight)

    Well, if it would better the band, and they're not into it, screw em

Cuz I don't like being the only guitarist in a band.
I don't like the sound of single guitar bands, and it's
WAY too limiting for what you can do musically.  Besides 
that, I don't wanna have to sit down and learn leads to 
50+ covers.

jc (manly enough to be secure in sharing co-lead duties)

    Buck: The Mine shut down....
    
     Coop: As I've said before..You did the right thing!! 
    
              Friz...Looking forward to the new band.
    

No prob Friz, and thanks!

Yeah The Mine is now a GLB bar called "True Colors"...
The manager of The Mine is now a DJ at TNT's.

But BOoMeR's RULES !

jc

>Yeah The Mine is now a GLB bar called "True Colors"...
>The manager of The Mine is now a DJ at TNT's.

    True Colors is back??  I went there once and had a ball!  Yes, I guess
    man *can*( have a great time at a Lesbian bar (GLB? ...it was women
    only when I went)
    
    
>But BOoMeR's RULES !
    
    Where's Boomers?!

    Buck:Yep...Cowboy is still around. Boomer's is at Murry and Platte.
    
                 Friz
    

    >Boomer's is at Murry and Platte.
    >
    >Know where that is?
    
    Izzat near Puss in Boots?  I know PIB is on Platte.

PIB ???

Bogus man.  TNT's has beaudacious babes...PIB has pigs - BLECK!

Boomers is a metal bar mon!

    HA!HA! PIB is "DRY" still.....Colorado is too conservative to have
    alcohol served in a nude place. TNT's serves though.....DROOL!
    
           Boomer's is east of PIB's....Not too far from there though.
    
    Don't forget to stop by Fantasy Books on the way though...HA!HA!
    
                Friz
    

Not too conservative, it's just that natives are still learning to 
drink and deal with their libidos.  :)

FWIW - Half the girls at TNT's used to work at The Mine.  Some real nice
ladies there...

jc

>I don't like the sound of single guitar bands, and it's
>WAY too limiting for what you can do musically.  
    
    I personally think that it's much more limiting playing in a two guitar
    band.  "Get back in yer place, yer playing over me again".  Who needs
    that crap?

>jc (manly enough to be secure in sharing co-lead duties)
    
    Manly enough to give the other guitar player all the tough leads...
    ;^)
    
    gh (also not capable of tough leads)

Personally, I'll take a shot at any lead...

I mean limiting as in empty...As in, who's gonna play the rhythm guitar
part whilst I'm doin' a lead (or vice-versa) ??  With only one guitar player,
there IS no rhythm guitar...  Unless your Paul Gilbert or Harry Cody, then 
the need of the rhythm guitar is evident...  On top of that, I enjoy playing 
rhythm as much, if not more, than playing lead, so...

If you play in a band where the other guitarist steps on you, then you need
to find another (less selfish) guitarist.  I call it team work.  I'll say one 
thing for HardBall (Tom) - we NEVER stepped on each others toes, NEVER had 
volume wars, and never argued about who got what lead. (A rare thing, imho).
jc

    Harry K. Cody rulz

Agreed - Ty and Harry K Coody do pretty well.
...However, for us mere mortals...
:)

Oh - and re: Ty Tabor, he's got a RIPPIN' bass player backing him.
:)
jc

Oh, and Harry K Cody overdubs his leads...

jc (listening to Second Coming now...)

>> I don't like the sound of single guitar bands, and it's
>> WAY too limiting for what you can do musically.  

>    I personally think that it's much more limiting playing in a two guitar
>    band.  "Get back in yer place, yer playing over me again".  Who needs
>    that crap?

Greg, I would think that Coop meant "limiting" in the sense that it might
restrict the choice of material the band can accurately cover. Not that
it would necessarily be personally limiting as a guitar player....

alan

    re: Alan        
    
>Greg, I would think that Coop meant "limiting" in the sense that it might
>restrict the choice of material the band can accurately cover. Not that
>it would necessarily be personally limiting as a guitar player....
    
    Oh, yeah, that would make more sense coming from his context, but it
    wasn't how I read it.  Oh well...  I'd agree with that, it certainly
    does limit what covers you can accurately do.
    
    re: Coop
    
>    I mean limiting as in empty...As in, who's gonna play the rhythm guitar
>part whilst I'm doin' a lead (or vice-versa) ??  
    
    Maybe you don't need one...  There have been MANY single guitar bands
    that sounded simply wonderful in concert!  Maybe they overdubbed leads
    over rhythm tracks in the studio, but I don't think anyone misses 'em
    live.  How about Hendrix, Page, Lifeson, Gibbons?  (yeah, I hit several
    different kinds of music there, intentionally).  Some people, like Ty
    Tabor and Vernon Reid don't even put rhythm tracks behind their leads
    on their albums.
    
>    With only one guitar player, there IS no rhythm guitar...  
    
    Is that such an awful thing?  I actually prefer the open, crisp sound,
    of less instruments.  In fact, I think that I'd say most of my favorite
    bands have had only one guitar player...
    
>    Unless your Paul Gilbert or Harry Cody, then 
>the need of the rhythm guitar is evident... 
    
    I don't agree with that.  I've heard tons of three piece bands that
    didn't need a second guitar player.  Very few of them have a player the
    caliber of Gilbert or Cody.
    
>    On top of that, I enjoy playing  rhythm as much, if not more, than
>    playing lead, so...

    Now that part of what you said makes sense.  If you want to play
    rhythm, then you do need another guitar player to do the solos.
    
>If you play in a band where the other guitarist steps on you, then you need
>to find another (less selfish) guitarist.  
    
    There are *very* few of them.  For myself, I can't waste my whole life
    looking around for one.  I'd much rather just play and forget the
    endless auditions and boneheads that ya can't work with.
    
>    I call it team work.  
    
    Something far too few guitar players (and musicians in general) have
    the concept of...
    
>    (A rare thing, imho).
    
    You said it right there, bro!
    
    gh

To each his own...   I get a real woodie for watching guitar tottin'
TEAMS:

Hannon/Skeotch
Downing/Tipton
(etc...)

It's worth the hassles when it works !!
jc

>It's worth the hassles when it works !!
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Guess I wouldn't know about that.
    
    gh

       <<< Note 666.445 by GOES11::G_HOUSE "Black Sheets Of Rain" >>>

    >            -< I never thought I was hard to work with... >-        
          Dude, You're even hard to talk too...Let alone to look at.
    
                         8)
    Friz
    

Well dood, can you imagine you and I in a band together ?
We'd KILL each other...
:)

    HA!HA! I can't see it.  I'd pay money to go and laugh while you guys
    kill each other though.
    
           Friz
    

>Well dood, can you imagine you and I in a band together ?
>We'd KILL each other...
    
    Well, I never said *you* were easy to work with...  
    ;^)
    
    gh (easy to work with...for...around...on...at...)

    That's true...Coop has quite the ego. 8)
    
           He should because he *IS* the next guitar rack mounted GOD!
    
            Friz
                 

    Coop should start a band with Kyle E Coyote ... they can open an
    appliance store together!

    YEA! Coop has the microwave and Kyle has the refrigerator.
    
            friz
    

Me and Kyle wouldn't work in a band either...  Kyle and I would spend all our 
time comparing toys, and never get any playing done.  Besides, Kyles got a 
bigger ego than mine, and he's better than me!

Greg and I would just argue about if his marshall sounds better than the RFH,
or if he should have two for stereo or not, or a rack mounted compressor,
or a stomp type.  :)

Tom and I worked out well together for quite a while because I taught him how
to get his rig soundin' good...Then when he got uppity, I'd just step on a 
a continous controller and make him GONE!
:)

jc (Humble H-Pie :)

>    Before you entered this the other day, I was just thinking Coop should
>    give Greg an audition.  Then again, it couldn't ruin a good friendship.
 
    Naw, he want's someone who plays well...
    
>Greg and I would just argue about if his marshall sounds better than the RFH,
>or if he should have two for stereo or not, or a rack mounted compressor,
>or a stomp type.  :)
    
    Naw, I save that for Notes.  ;^)
    
    I've never harrassed anyone who I played in a band with about their
    sound.  I have pointed out things which I thought weren't working out
    very well though.  Whether I like your sound (for myself) or not, it
    works for most of the material you do.  Why would I argue with you
    about that?
               
    gh

Why not ??  Thatrs what we do best ??

>    I've never harrassed anyone who I played in a band with about their
>    sound.

I have...
:)

    >I've never harrassed anyone who I played in a band with about their
    >sound. 
    
    Whadda bout So Hung (sp?)

HE didn't have a tone....  He played a bloody BOOGIE !

jc

>    Whadda bout So Hung (sp?)

    I told J. what I thought could be improved on a few occasions, but I
    never harrassed him about it.  Looking back on that, the problems we
    had with our guitar sounds not mixing were primarily MY problem.  My
    sound was just too thin and kept trying to get him to fit his sound
    around it, when the real solution was for me to fatten mine up.  
    
    gh

I'll keep my yap shut...
:)

    I won't :
    
     Be a man.....Get a rack! 8)
    
              friz
    

>     Be a man.....Get a rack! 8)
    
    I *HAD* a rack at the time!  THAT was my problem...
    
    gh

Bleck!

I had J's Boogie at my house for over a year - it wouldn't hold a 
candle to my RFH !
:^)

    Hi...My name is Bill, and I'm a recovering Rackaholic!

    It stomped mine to dust, I couldn't be heard.  But then again, I've
    never been into playing at deafening volume.
    
    gh

RE: -.1

Me three!!!
8*)

Yo, Coop.  Ahhhhh....Shaddap!!!  
Read on to next reply about my tone.

Jmystr, formerly J-Dot, J-Dot retired from the scenes.

RE;  666.457  
    
<    Whadda bout So Hung (sp?)
 
8*)
Thanks!  Me feels like a stud!  
8*)


Mods, the following is SINCERELY being written without the intent of bash anyone, 
but to offer some views that I felt are being left out.

Note 666.459

<    Looking back on that, the problems we
<    had with our guitar sounds not mixing were primarily MY problem.  My
<    sound was just too thin and kept trying to get him to fit his sound
<    around it, when the real solution was for me to fatten mine up.  

I was always big on the "combined" talent of the band, and also the "combined" 
tone of two guitars sounding good, and always tried to shoot for that.  

There were few times where I felt we actually accomplished that, but most 
of times, we seemed to miss the target.  If I was going to be the only 
guitar player in a band, you really couldn't pay me to play that tone.  
Now that I've been back to the woodshed to play by myself, my tone is 
somewhat different than it used to be:
	Used to be that I took out a lot of the mids out of my sound so that the 
	other guitarist can fit in there most of the times(he seemed to thrive on 
	mids in his tone), and I felt that I could be some sort of a bridge between 
	him and the bass so that we could achieve better overall tonal quality for 
	the band.
Coop, I'm back to searching for "tone" again. Push the mids back in, back off on 
delay, back off on distortion, etc...


RE: .457  

    >I've never harrassed anyone who I played in a band with about their
    >sound. 
and 
<    I told J. what I thought could be improved on a few occasions, but I
<    never harrassed him about it.  

Sorry, Greg, but I don't recall many occasions where you weren't on my back.
Or at lease it felt like it, and I think I tried to accomodate to the "requests"
as best I could.

RE: .465

<        -< Not saying I *liked* it's tone, just that it washed me out >-

I believe you did on *few* occasions.  RE: "Geoge Lynch"ish tone.  And it's that 
tone I'm trying to get back to.

<    It stomped mine to dust, I couldn't be heard.  But then again, I've
<    never been into playing at deafening volume.
 
Well, if you'd like, I'll make a copy of that practice video for you where 
my volume was nowhere to be really heard.

It really didn't help that we had a "basher" for a drummer who was China-boy
happy all the time, but before you came along, Will and I had a long 
conversation about pros and cons of recruiting him over Alan from Denver.
By all means, the decision was made due to convenience, rather than ability, 
and I believe, Jason realized this, too when he joined the band.  And his "bashing"
was a concern at that time.

Then of course, we had a bassist who was big on "hip-hop" bass driving music.

When I started out, I had members in mind that were unique, and wanted to pull them
together, but obviously, in an afterthought, this combination didn't work, but I guess 
it was a gamble, and in gambling, you either win or lose.  Or I suppose one could have
backed out of it before everything was lost, but I like to finish what I start, usually.

Jmystr 

>I was always big on the "combined" talent of the band, and also the "combined" 
>tone of two guitars sounding good, and always tried to shoot for that.  
    
    I tried to do that too.  Perhaps we were actually working against each
    other, in terms of getting tones that meshed, without even knowing it.
    
>Well, if you'd like, I'll make a copy of that practice video for you where 
>my volume was nowhere to be really heard.
    
    Admittedly, I did turn up too loud that night.  Way too loud.  I was
    just so frustrated with not being able to hear myself, in a bad mood,
    and had other self-induced influence that night.  Wouldn't you agree
    that that was an exception rather then a rule?
    
    You are absolutely correct in saying there were other factors which
    contributed to the problems (such as loud drums and bass).  Oh well.
    
    gh

>I had J's Boogie at my house for over a year - it wouldn't hold a 
>candle to my RFH 
    
    Well, I've had both racks and Boogies and if I couldn't have gotten
    money by selling the rack I definitely would've entertained the idea
    of "holding a candle to it" as one way to get rid of it.
    
    ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
    
    	db - dedicated Amp (read: "Boogie") type

    re: db
    
    HAHAHAHAHA!!!
    
    gh (who felt the same way)

Tsk.Tsk.

RE: .470

8*)

RE: .472  < Tsk.Tsk.

Oh, that's a good come back, Coop!  8*)

So what's the latest on Hardball??

Jmystr

    
    
      The latest on HARDBALL is they are playing the Cavalcade this 
    
      Thursday.  Just heard it again on KILO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
    
        

    Time for a reconciliation, eh Coop?

    gh

    Yeah and QUICK !
    
    Friz - you want lead vocals or WHAT?!?!?!?!?
    
    jc (Who gave notice to The Cav that we weren't there a month ago)

    Lead vocals?  You must really be in a fix.
     Even cowboy/rocker dudes wouldn't like my singing though. 8)
    
            I'll do it anyway though.....
    
                            Friz
    

    
    
       ..must be nice to be in a popular defunct band!!!
    
       ..what's next Coop?
    
    						-B()()M-

Looks like we have a line on the bassist from hell.
Jammed with him last night (with me on lead vocals - wagagagaga),
and whipped thru 30 tunes.  This guy has a bigger rack than me;
A GK800, SGE, Boss Super Chorus, BBE Sonic Maximizer, Rockmount,
PV Mega-Bass, Furman stuff, (2)18's and (2)2x10's.  The good part is 
he's over 5'2" (like 6'1") and has "the look".  More tonight!

Find another guitarist, and we're done!

jc (Who don't sing)

>Find another guitarist, and we're done!
    
    Yeah, cuz you'd have the drummer, bassist, and yourslf, right?
    
    Finding a lead player should NOT be that hard!!  Harder is you
    start looking for a fellow Rack Puke tho...

True enough - 

Another lead player is pretty imperative (IMHO), although I did have a good 
time playing three peice last night.  (S)he doesn't *have* to be a rack puke 
either.  A Marshall or 5150, or a rack load o-stuff would be fine.  Multiple 
speaker cabs highly desireable.  

FWIW - I heard a guy the other night with a 100wt Valvestate into a pair
of 4x12's, and he had a good sound...I was incredulous.  :)

jc (Who sez: Just say NO to people without decent gear)

    So you guys playing thursday night or what?
    
    I'm listening to the ad as I type this. 

Nope...And The Cavalcade knows that.  I think they be usin' our name
cuz people know us in Pueblo...  Maybe I'm flattering myself though.
:)

>The good part is  he's over 5'2" (like 6'1") and has "the look".  
    
    Seems to me the *good* part would be if he could play well...
    
    gh

    RE: Play well ...
    I'd like to see Coop audition a guy with a LP, a twin, a wireless, and
    chops for days.  8^)
    
    'Course, the same crowd that like pretty bands that can't play is the
    same crowd that likes plastic rice burners, and neon import trucks 1" off
    the ground.
    
    Screw the flash pal, get a real musician and the rst will fall into
    place.
    
    Scary
    
    

Agressive means:

1) Dripping with sweat after a ballad.
2) Not being able to turn your head for a week after 
   a gig from the whiplash.
3) Pumping a crowd to the point of frenzy.

Y'all ever see Zakk Wilde ?  Ted Nugent ??  Thats agressive.

RE: Scary

No way.  NO Twins.
>    Screw the flash pal, get a real musician and the rst will fall into
>    place.

Can't.  No flash - no play.  No play - no fun.
:)

RE: Greg

Steve's got chops AND gear.  Kinda "funky" in a Stu Hamm kinda way.

Oh, and last but not least:

Combo.  It's a noun - "COM - BOW"  Anything less than a full stack.

(Disclaimer: I may make an exception for a half-stack)

I'm not being a snob - I'm being realistic.

jc (Who'll nevr get turned down again for "appearance" and "lack of gear")

Thats the other thing...

You gotta know the REAL meaning of poseur (not what y'all tease 
folks about).

jc

Besides Mike, your wife would KILL you if you played with us...
:)

>Requirements:
>
>1.  Pro gear (No combos)
>2.  Stage experience (No cherries)
>3.  Agressive stage presence (No statues)
>4.  Demonstratable chops (No delusions)

Well...I got nice gear. :-(

Mike, *I* kill you if you played with Coop!!!
8*)

Jmystr

>Boogie and Marshall combos might sound good, but the clubs around here 
>don't care about "sound" if they see a little amp.  A bare minimum would
>be a pair of 4x12's.  
    
    I disagree, I think that's your minimum requirement.  I've seen bands
    at The Gardens where the guitar player(s) only had a half stack (head &
    1 4x12).  Remember Kidd Wikked?  Only one cab...
    
    gh

    
    ....when's my audition????  AGAGAG - the commute would be a b!tch!
    
    ....on a serious note: if I was in CS, I'd try it. Betcha I know about
    1/3 of their material already! And I can light my own side of the
    stage.
    
    							-B()()M-

    Boom - you'd fit right in.  :)
    
    Greg - You're right, it is my requirement.  I can make exceptions, just
    like Kidd Wikked and Storm are exceptions.  The boys in Storm only have
    half-stacks.
    
    I just expect my band mates to give a sh*t about their gear is all.
    We all know I've been in situations with people who didn't...
    
    jc

    Where's my tape.....Ive been waiting for a while now! C'mon and get
    that tape in the mail!
    
    
    Bob   :*)
    

    
    
    	ditto!  Where's my tape Coop??!
    

    Wharz my tape?!

    Me too!
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    Me three!  8)

    Oooh boy....The Domino effect!

    Domino:Every damn time I walk in that door it's the same damn thing..
    That b**** bends over and I forget my name...Domino Domino
    
            Friz
    
    
    

WAKE UP ALAN!!!  YOU'RE HAVING ONE OF THOSE WET DREAMS
AGAIN!!!  8*)

Jmystr

    Hong.....My name is ALLEN and it's a Kiss song.
    
               Friz
    

Oh, no wonder I didn't recognize it, it's from another one of those poseur 
bands I've heard about.  8*)

Jmystr

    Stay tuned for Crash Palace.
    
    Tried out today and it was happen-nin-nin-nin'!
    
    jc

    
    
    
      FWIW - I like the name. Are they all rack pukes? 
    
      Keep us posted - gigs , material...
    
    						-B()()M-

    The bassist is a rack puke - the guitarist plays souped up Boogies 
    with a processor and LesPauls - unlike any Boogie I've ever heard!
    The bass player and drummer do most of the singing - the bassist clones
    Tesla WICKED good (Greg is rolling his eyes now :), and the drummer
    sounds like RJD.
    
    We've rehearsed twice and worked up some stuff like SoundGarden, Rush,
    some *Old* Metallica, Firehouse,  New and old Tesla, Cinderella,
    Q-Ryche etc...etc...
    
    We did a sectional last night without the drummer and got a lot
    accomplished.  It's pretty happenin'!
    jc

    if the drummer sounds like RJD,then get him the hell away from a drum
    kit and up to the mike stand.Rent Friz until you can get another
    drummer!!
    
    
                                                Staynz

    What happened to the SKID ROW-singer dude??

    He was a flake.  No job, no money, drinking, drugs, you name it.
    Last time I tried to get in touch with him, he was in jail for beating
    up his ex-wife.  Sheeesh.
    :)

    Sounds like your average Colorado Springs singer....
    
           Friz
    

    Singing drummers ... great for backups, LOUSY for lead vocals.  The
    crowd can't see 'em and the focal point of the band is a wash ...
    
    You should quit now ...

Singing drummer...  Hmmm...  He keeps making references to Night Ranger...
8*)

Jmystr

    Hey, I loved their music, just kinda awkward to watch 'em.  And, I was
    in a HM band at one time, that had a killer drummer with a killer
    voice.  The crowd couldn't see him because of his massive kit and
    cymbals.
    
    Jerry

    He obviously didn't set up right.  He should take drum poseing lessons
    from Frizbo, whosets his kit up real spread out, like.  And then only
    has like two cybmols one on either side of the thing, so he can stick
    his posing DLR pout between them for all to see.
    
    gh

    The key to a good live show is contact with the crowd and ya just can't
    do that with your head behind millions of cymbols!  My DLR pout isn't
    part of the live show....I only use that in photo shoots. 8)
       Friz
    

Poseur!  8*)

    
      So Coop - is CP gonna get their own note so this one can get trashed?
    
      ....too early to tell, eh. Keep us posted!
    
      							-B{}{}M-

    Yeah, we've practiced three times, and had one meeting, and one picture
    taking session.  I'll probably just re-name this topic and delete the
    spooge - I like the number.  (it's a human number...)
    :)

    Tape...please!!!
    

    I was cleaning out my tape collection last night and found an HB tape. 
    Is there anyone that didn't get one that would be interested in hearing
    it?

    re: Buck
    
    Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing it!  And the Paris Burning and Stiff
    Kitty too!
    
    
    |KS|
    

    Naa.. you don't wanna hear the SK tape, it sucks dude 8)

    Shhheesh Buck.After all this Cleanin_Out,Are you gonna have any 
    tapes left??

    Hmmm...
    
    I suppose I could mention in here that I've been playing with a band
    for the past three weeks or so.
    
    Tentatively named "The Zone" it's a 5pc, with:
    
    Mark Staviski - Guitar/vox
    Jeff Cooper - Guitar/vox
    Will Alexander - Bass/vox (DECcie)
    Blain ?? - Keys/Vox
    Geof Suits - Drums
    
    We've started off covering some prograssive metal stuff along the 
    lines of Queensryche, Metallica, Rush, Megadeth, Dream Theater etc... 
    and threw in some grunge (to keep Will happy :-) - Alice In Chains' 
    newer stuff, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilot (ad nauseum).  We'd gotten 
    about 25 tunes done so far...Then we just auditioned and hired Blain 
    the other night for lead vox and keys...Thats why I don't know his last 
    name.  We've even started writing a little...  Our goal is to play the
    metal clubs around town (thats why the grunge and covers :-)
    
    Seems like this one might work out.  What the hell, right?
    jc
                                                            

    Where's my tape!
    
    Zonie

    Well, now that I have my own studio, we should be doing a LOT 
    of recording...  :-) But just chill out!!
    jc

>    Jeff Cooper - Guitar/vox
                          ^^^
    
    And I thought you were using a Mesa/Boogie preamp in a rack rig...  Did
    you finally dump all that stuff and get an AC30?
                                                    
>     Our goal is to play the
>    metal clubs around town (thats why the grunge and covers :-)
    
    Which town are you talking about?
    
    gh

    Colorado Springs, Denver, Pueblo??
    
    jc (Who unfortunately frequents some of these places...)

    
    
      So now your ready to really get the nwe rack rolling.
     
      Cool ! A lead singer w/o an attitude? AMAZING! BUT  ----
    
    ....will he help you lift your rack? 
    
    gotta ask - which DT tune are you gonna cover (I & W has grown on me
    a lot in the last few weeks. My band might even cover a cut off it.
    
    							-B{}{}M-

>    Colorado Springs, Denver, Pueblo??
>    
>    jc (Who unfortunately frequents some of these places...)
    
    I was questioning the use of the plural tense of the word if you were
    talking about Co. Springs.  Far as I know, there's only one "metal"
    club here (The Gardens).
    
    gh

    re. Greg
    
    When's the last time you've been to The Gardens?!? I'd *hardly* call
    that metal....but I guess it is the closest we've got. What about Rack
    N' Roll?

>    When's the last time you've been to The Gardens?!? I'd *hardly* call
>    that metal....but I guess it is the closest we've got. 
    
    That's what I meant...  It's been quite awhile since I was down there,
    probably at least a year.
    
>    What about Rack N' Roll?
    
    BRRRR!  Major "classic rock" barflys there.  The only time they have
    any "metal" is when they have concerts with label bands.
    
    gh

    Well it's kinda like 'which came first the chicken or the egg?'...
    
    	Springs= Lame Clubs= Weak Bands=Non-Musical Appreciative Type
    People= Lame Clubs...ect. 

    Boomers has been sold, new club opening...
    
    "Bombers"
    
    I'm serious. It's supposed to be under new management.

    Yea, I heard that on the radio the other day...*LAME* name.

>    Boomers has been sold, new club opening...
>        "Bombers"
    
    Yeah, I heard that on the radio too.  Seriously though, I couldn't tell
    if they were calling it "Bombers" or "BUMMERS"!  Yeah...great club
    name...
    
    I don't think it was doing so hot anyway, I haven't heard *anything*
    about the place since like the first month it was open.  I mean, it's
    in a wretched location.  "Go down Platte until you see that 7-11, it's
    right behind there..."  Riiiiiiight.
    
    re: Nat
    
    You're absolutely right about the vicous circle of lame audiences,
    leading to lame clubs, leading to lame bands, leading to lamer
    audiences.  Why doesn't anyone care about hearing new (or even good)
    music anymore??  Why is everyone stuck in the mid '70s??
    
    gh

    Around here is doesn't matter if you are talented. You can be
    a musical nimrod, but if you have *hair* and are pretty, thats
    all that matters.  The music doesn't.

    cj.......answer your mail!!
    
                                     staynz

    I don't know how any band makes it out here.... the only thing these
    people want to hear is covers and realistically if you're really trying
    to do something with your music you need to be doing original stuff but
    you can't get booked or a following out here doing original stuff!

    re: CJ
    
>    Around here is doesn't matter if you are talented. You can be
>    a musical nimrod, but if you have *hair* and are pretty, thats
>    all that matters.  The music doesn't.
    
    D*mn!!!  And just when I cut my hair off!  Man, I blew my big chance
    (being the musical nimrod that I am)!!
    
    If only I'd known...
    
    re: Nat
    
>    I don't know how any band makes it out here...
    
    Basically...they don't.  Pure and simple.
    
    I agree with you though, there's almost no opportunity to play original
    material (or any musical style) around here.
    
    gh
                                                

    >> D*amn!!! And just when I cut my hair off!  Man, I blew my big
    chance
    
    Greg, I said you can be a nimrod, have hair, and pretty...
    who said you were pretty?  ;-)  just kidding!
    
    It's pathetic that looks mean more than talent, but looks are what
    bring the babes to the clubs around here, and the babes bring the
    men, and the men drink the booze.
    

    
    maybe you guys should move to minnesota, where the REAL action is!!
    
    :')
    

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....too funny!!!!!

    Rack-n-roll isn't interested in a metal band.  However, if we covered
    Bad Company "Feel Like Making Love", "Can't Get Enough" and "Shooting
    Star" - we'd be shoe-ins.  :-)
    
    In defense of Boomers/Bombers HardBall was one of the last bands to 
    play in there before they stopped booking bands.  Twas the best gig 
    we ever played.  Excellent stage, excellent room, and the military
    types (say what you want) are a GREAT crowd.  
    
    Funny too, because the night we finished there was a biggie, and two of
    the guys in  "Stomp" came in (they were playing their "farewell" thing
    at The Gardens that week), and we asked why they were folding.  Brett
    sez: "We're just sick of the lame crowds in Colo.Spgs" - we all looked
    at each other and chuckled...This after a night of people dancing on
    tables, flashing body parts, and buying the band WAY too many drinks.
    
    Anyway, I hope Bombers flies (and is under new management).
    
    RE: Original material
    
    I used to go round-n-round with Friz about this.  Write all the
    originals you want - if you don't play out, no one will ever hear 
    'em.  If you play covers ad throw a couple three originals in your
    act, sooner or later word will get out that you have  some cool
    originals...
    
    Check out Kid Wikkid sometime.  They're The Gardens best band, and
    their original stuff SMOKES!  Kevin (drummer) once told me that they 
    sell between 10-30 of their CD's there per night.  Rockin band!
    
    FWIW - Pueblo kicks ColoSpgs ASS in clubs/crowds.  
    jc

>    Greg, I said you can be a nimrod, have hair, and pretty...
>    who said you were pretty?  ;-)  just kidding!
    
    Ah, you got me there...  Guess it doesn't matter about my hair, huh?
    8^)
                                                                       
>    Rack-n-roll isn't interested in a metal band.  However, if we covered
>    Bad Company "Feel Like Making Love", "Can't Get Enough" and "Shooting
>    Star" - we'd be shoe-ins.  :-)
    
    Brrr!
    
>    I used to go round-n-round with Friz about this.  Write all the
>    originals you want - if you don't play out, no one will ever hear 
>    'em.  If you play covers ad throw a couple three originals in your
>    act, sooner or later word will get out that you have  some cool
>    originals...
    
    No offense intended, but most bands that I've seen that tried this
    ended up with "originals" that all sounded like the covers they did.
    They never seemed to develop much personality to their own stuff.  Then
    again, I've also seen bands that played only original stuff that
    sounded like that too, so take it FWIW.
    
>    Check out Kid Wikkid sometime.  They're The Gardens best band, and
>    their original stuff SMOKES!  Kevin (drummer) once told me that they 
>    sell between 10-30 of their CD's there per night.  Rockin band!
    
    They probably did at first, but I wonder how many they sell now, a
    couple of years later?
    
>    FWIW - Pueblo kicks ColoSpgs ASS in clubs/crowds.  
    
    Weird, isn't it?  It's what, about a quarter of the size, but has a
    surprisingly good night life.
    
    gh
                                           

    >...This after a night of people dancing on
    >tables, flashing body parts, and buying the band WAY too many drinks.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    If this is your concept of a good crowd, then the military types are
    just your speed!
    
    And I've gotta agree with Greg as far as bands' *originals* sounding
    too much like covers!
    

    Last time I flashed a body part at a band, I was arrested.
    
    gh

    Well maybe Bubba was lonely. ;-)

    RE: Rat
    
    Well Rat, I'll let you in on a little secret:
    
    Sex sells.  Some club owner sees some gal (or guy - hey, I 
    value difference!) flashing a body part at the band, and that 
    band is *in* around here.  *Thats* what it takes around here... 
    
    Musicianship has very little to do with it - just check out
    "Dirty Boys" or "Caution" ...They plain old SUCK (IMHO).  Yet - 
    they get $500/night to play in the most happenin' bars in town 
    (ColoSpgs, Denver, Pueblo).  Why? - Cuz they are pretty boys, the 
    girls love them and the club owner know it !!!  
    
    Bottom line:  The band can be great or they can SUCK musically,
    but if they aren't pretty to look at, they are NO WHERE FAST !!
    (Wagagagaga!).
    
    As the spouse mentioned, musicianship is not a factor.  Lookin' 
    *good* on stage is.
    
    jc 

    JC,if your bands playing at a band when I come over.I'll turn up and
    take out my knob!
    
                                                 staynz

    Staynz - dood !!  You take out your knob, and I'll poke it with the
    business end of a g-string.  :-)  (Ouch!).
    
    :-)

    ...........Oo er,my eyes are watering already!!  8^0
    
    
                                                      staynz

    ..hey you two.....get a room!.............................../k

    :-)
    

    Well, first yer wife and now you!  Thanks!
    
    gh (nowhere fast)

>    Sex sells.  Some club owner sees some gal (or guy - hey, I 
>    value difference!) flashing a body part at the band, and that 
>    band is *in* around here.  *Thats* what it takes around here... 
    
    well if that isn't a telling condemnation of today's society, I don't
    know what is.  Truly sad where priorities are.

    Well since I'm in here giving reviews today.....
    
    I went in and sat in on The Zone's rehearsal last week and was very
    impressed by what I heard. These guys have only been together for a
    relativitly short period of time but were playing pretty tight! They
    were having an off night but the stuff that was hitting right was
    hitting very right! 
    
    They were doing alot of AiC, Metallica, Megadeth, and Queensryche...a
    few of my favs!!!! The singer who's new to the band has an incredible
    voice and just needed to get a little more familiar with some of the
    songs. Back up vocals needed some tightening also but like I said they
    were having an off night so it may have been just a fluke.
    
    It was also pretty obvious that these guys have professional attitude
    about their music and will have a good stage presence!!! Can't wait to
    start lining them up with some gigs!!!
                                          Rat

    Thanks Natalie - that was cool.  You'll have to come down when we have
    our sh*t together... (It's not...YET!).
    
    We've been together for just under a month, and have rehearsed three
    times now with this new singer dood...(Who sounds like GnR/Tesla type, 
    I'd say).  We're still trying to find our niche, but I think when/if
    we do, we'll be working quite a bit.  Thats the point ain't it?
    
    Here's a list of some of the toons we're doing, or are working on:
    
    For Whom The Bell Tolls - Metallica
    Enter Blandman - Metallica
    Hot Cherie - Hardline
    I Don't Believe In Love - Queensryche
    Jet City Women - Queensryche
    Monkey Business - Skids (Smoke On the Water in f#, Buck ?? :-)
    I'll Remember You - Skids
    Them Bonz - AiC
    Man In The Box - AiC
    Sex Type Thang - Stone Temple Pilot 
    Neighbor - UKJ
    2112 Overture/Temples - Rush
    LimeLight - Rush
    Gettin' Better - Tesla
    2 Late 4 Love - Tesla
    Sympathy Of Destruction - MegaDeth
    Pull Me Under - Dream Theater
    Highway To Hell - AC/DC
    Fly Me Courageous - Drivin' n Cryin'
    Never Enough - LA Guns
    Kiss My Love Goodbye - LA Guns
    Sweet Child O Mine - GnR
    
    Some we're good at, some we're not.  :-)
                                                                   

    Thanks for the nice remarks!  I do not think that we are as good 
    as you decsribe 8^(
    
    
           
    
       YET! =;^)

    Hmmm, no input here in a while...
    
    Ten more tunes and a promo pack, and we'll be out of 
    the garage...
    
    jc
    

    
    	Title modified, and keyword BANDS added.
    
    
    							GTI

    Any kind of activity is cool Shawn, we're not exactly a bedrock of 
    activity lately...
    :-)

    Cooooooooooooooooop Whats happening!!!!!!
    
    I am just now getting caught up in this conference.  
    
    
    
    Are we in the Zone or what!  Plush is sounding good eh?
    
    
    
    						Would   

    Looks like 'The Zone'  will be premiering at ProSound a week
    from Saturday (7 August) along with the girls from Hooters and 
    KILO.   It's some promotional thing for ProSound.  I'll post more 
    details as they come along.
    
    FWIW - We've sort of changed pace recently.  Sort of Progressive
    Metal with a Grunge Metal twist.  Not for the faint at heart.

    Whew.  What a gig today guys!   Ya'll were happenin'!  
    Hot, that is all that I have to say.
    
    They're playing a party next Saturday, lemme know if anyone wants to
    go, we'll send directions and stuff.
    
    cj

    Well I was lucky enough to have woken up in time to go catch The Zone
    before I went into work.......what a way to wake up!!! :^)  The singer
    *did* do his homework and I'm glad, he's got a great voice. You guys
    had an *excellent* selection of tunes and were really tight!!! Can't
    wait to see ya again!
    
    Rat

    
    
      Hey!  How was Coop's Guitar Tone? Does the Tri-Axis cut it for
    Coop like it does for Patrucci?
    
    							-B{}{}M-

    RE: Rat-n-CJ
    
    Thanks for all the nice things you two gals said about us!
    That twas cool.  Blaine and Geof broke their long standing 
    gig-virginism.   I'm glad thats over with.  :-)
    
    DYLIW - Even your dental hygenists came out for the premier?
    
    RE: BoOm
    
    I'm still in love with it.  It RIPS!   I wanna trade my four 4x12's
    in for a pair of those Boogie Rectum Frier(tm).  They smoke!  That,
    anna 2:90 Simulclass, and I'll be in MRP-nirvana!  Thanks for askin'.
    :-)
    
    jc
    
       

>    DYLIW - Even your dental hygenists came out for the premier?
    
    You need more then one??
    
    gh

Woop, missed something...

>    I'm still in love with it.  It RIPS!   I wanna trade my four 4x12's
>    in for a pair of those Boogie Rectum Frier(tm).  They smoke!  That,
>    anna 2:90 Simulclass, and I'll be in MRP-nirvana!  Thanks for askin'.
 
    Speakin of Nirvana, if I remember right, Kurt Cobain uses a Boogie
    preamp based rack rig.  Do you sound like him?
    ;^)
    
    gh

    Homey don't pay dat.  :-)
    
    Umm, I don't *think* so...
    
    RE: Dental Wenches
    
    Uumm, well, Cindi has one and I have one.  They work together and
    heard me bra...ummm, talking about the band.  For the record:
    Cindi has the cute one, I got the one with DAFS :-)
    
    jc (With two cavities, a cracked filling and a new waterpick :-)
    

    Caught Coop's new band at a party last night and I have to say that I
    was very impressed.  They sounded great!
    
    gh

    Gee dood, Thanks!
    
    jc

    No prob, I enjoyed it.  Sorry to be so brief, but I can never think of
    stuff to say for lengthy reviews.  Real tight though, and I liked the
    singer's voice.  You all seemed to have your sound together.
    
    Donno what you were crabbin about that drummer for though, he didn't
    seem to be too loud.
    
    Greg

    Cuz he was mortally wounded maybe??
    :-)  
    
    He had a nasty slice right on the pad of his thumb...
    
    jc

    So...are you gonna cut him up before every show?
    
    gh

    Naw.  He's too damn big to make sit still....
    
    They're all mad at me, cuz I didn't have a baby sitter for
    band practice twice in a row.  :-(

    Let's revive this topic, with a bit of effort we might make it to
    666.666 the ultimate metal note...
    
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    Well, I'm afraid The Zone is definately no longer.
    :-)

    can't people just pretend? (:^)