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| 610.1 | Rock-Out or DROP OUT! | 49ER::R_WAMELING | I like to ride my bike. | Thu Jul 20 1989 16:03 | 4 |
| The singer is that dude from the Babys, Johnathan Waite. (sp?)
-= retch =-
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| 610.2 | | JETSAM::MATTHEWS | go ahead, commit elf suicide, i dare ya! | Thu Jul 20 1989 16:11 | 10 |
| from the understanding i was getting was that johne waite, was
putting together another albulm and didnt really want to do another
solo, i guess his manager basically hooked him up with someother
people and they all got to talking music....
i heard a couple of songs, they are not good and they are not bad.
i used to like waites stuff, but lately ..... . . .
wendy o'
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| 610.3 | Cancelled Tour Date | RIGEL4::JBONNO | | Thu Jul 20 1989 16:23 | 10 |
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re .0
I am not sure if they are touring anymore or not. They were supposed to
open up for Boy Jovi tonight here in Atlanta, but they cancelled
and now Blue Murder is opening up.
jab (who wouldn't mind seeing Sykes and the boys!)
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| 610.4 | | PFLOYD::ROTHBERG | Wait'll they get a load of me... | Thu Jul 20 1989 16:51 | 13 |
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Once again, the drummer for this band is the
nutz! I haven't heard Bad English yet, but Deen
Castronovo drummed on Tony MacAlpines latest
album as well as for the Wild Dogs. For some
sick drumming, pick up Man's Best Friend, or even
better, Reign of Terror. I'd have to put Wild
Dogs in the same catagory as Leatherwolf; maybe
a bit heavier though.
- Rob -
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| 610.5 | | JETSAM::MATTHEWS | go ahead, commit elf suicide, i dare ya! | Thu Jul 20 1989 17:09 | 10 |
| re. /prc well i guess it depends which
radio station, the part about j.w solo ablum / manager contact
was from fnx... j.w was the one talking..
yes i did remeber something about them hanging togther, but
i was under the impression that the manager more or less gave to
push!
wendy o'
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| 610.6 | | HAZEL::STARR | Kids flash guitars just like switchblades | Thu Jul 20 1989 17:15 | 15 |
| The connection:
John Waite and Jonathain Caine were both members of the Babys. When the Babys
broke up, John Waite went solo ("Missing You" was a #1 hit), and Jonathain
Caine joined Journey (on the 'Escape' album - he replaced Greg Rollie).
So Caine is the missing link - he played with both Waite and Schon, in two
different bands (Babys and Journey, respectively).
I haven't heard the album yet, so I'll save my opinion (I'm not even sure if
they belong in this file, but that's another issue...). But I know that Neil
Schon is a rocking guitarist! And that Waite is sorta mellow/melodic. So I
dunno which direction the band is taking...
cat
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| 610.7 | | MARKER::BUCKLEY | That child blew a child away | Thu Jul 20 1989 17:33 | 6 |
| Cat is right, its like a Babys reunion before its a Journey remake
IMHO.
Dean C. has appeared on several of Mike Varvey's Wunderkind-Guitar
albums released on his Shrapnel label, like Cacophony, Dr. Mastermind,
etc etc
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| 610.8 | | JETSAM::MATTHEWS | go ahead, commit elf suicide, i dare ya! | Thu Jul 20 1989 18:34 | 5 |
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wasnt that Neil guy with sanata at one time???
sounds wicked familar.....
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| 610.9 | Schon and Rollie were in Santana | HAZEL::STARR | Kids flash guitars just like switchblades | Thu Jul 20 1989 18:47 | 8 |
| > wasnt that Neil guy with sanata at one time???
Good memory! Neil joined Santana when he was 16 years old (!), after turning
down an offer from Eric Clapton to tour with Derek and the Dominoes. Journey
was formed by Neil and Greg Rollie, who was playing keyboards for Santana
(and also doing a lot of the vocals).
cat
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| 610.10 | | CHEFS::DALLISON | Fired his six shot to the wind | Fri Jul 21 1989 07:38 | 3 |
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Dean C. also drummed on Marty Friedman's Dragons Kiss (another
Varney/Roadrunner records release).
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| 610.11 | Now...with feeling | BUFFER::GOLDSMITH | I'm a Sun King baby! | Thu Sep 07 1989 16:46 | 8 |
| I have been listening to the "Forget Me Not" single on the radio, and
it really kicks! John Waite's vocals haven't had that much feeling
since the Babys. ("Missing You" bit the bag). Neil Schon just wails
all through that song. That is some of the best guitar work I've heard
in a while. The whole song just rocks. I can't wait to hear the rest
of the album.
Steve
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| 610.12 | Semi-lame to almost crippled | RAVEN1::ROSENBERG | won't get fooled again | Sat Sep 16 1989 20:23 | 6 |
| Steve, let me save you some time...the album is medocre at best
and even though Forget Me Not could be a killer toon I think that
Neil could have added alot more energy to his riffs (listen to him
start to really wail as the song fades) I give it a C-
Waste Guy
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| 610.13 | Wait a sec... | BUFFER::GOLDSMITH | I'm a Sun King baby! | Mon Sep 18 1989 16:58 | 6 |
| Ray (Waste Guy)-
Thanx for the tip. Not only was I going to get the album, but I was
going to check out their show. Maybe I should wait...
Steve
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| 610.14 | | ANT::SLABOUNTY | Skydive naked from an aeroplane | Mon Sep 18 1989 17:02 | 10 |
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Oh, come now - there's some good stuff.
Heaven Is a 4-Letter Word
The Best of What I Got
and others which have slipped my mind.
GTI
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| 610.15 | I like music that makes me sweat | RAVEN1::ROSENBERG | won't get fooled again | Thu Sep 21 1989 20:04 | 7 |
| Hey, I didn't want to make them out as bad as Air Supply...but
I though that there should have been alot more energy.
In concert.....who knows?
Waste Guy
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| 610.16 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | He Blew His Mind Out In A Car! | Thu Sep 28 1989 10:16 | 11 |
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Mr. Wasteguy so gracously(sp) lent me his copy of the Bad English
tape! My review!
Wasteguy, you can have it back!
I mean there were only two or three decent tunes! The rest stink!
Thanks for letting me listen ti it!
B.A.
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| 610.17 | maybe it'll sound good after a few beers | USRCV1::REAUME | two thousand screaming guitars | Tue Oct 03 1989 17:00 | 4 |
| I'm going to check em out in a club this coming Sunday night.
I got the CD and after a few listens I agree that it's half good-
half filler. I'm sure the club show will have some surprises , probably
some old Babys tossed in. I'll review it next week.
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| 610.18 | review- | USRCV1::REAUME | My clone works for DEC-I don't | Mon Oct 09 1989 16:10 | 13 |
| I caught the show last night - The place was packed to the hilt.
Twelve bucks a head on a Sunday night!
GOOD SHOW! Opening tune : "The best of what I got". Other standouts
were "Heaven is four letter word"., "Tough times don't last", and
of course the show ender "Forget me not" brought down the house
(sorry Greg). One encore - surprise - "Jumpin Jack Flash", I thought
it would have been an old Babys tune ("Head First", "Midnight
Rondevous") , or John Waites "Change". They did a good job of it,
certainly better than the Stones did when Keith was wasted.
Neal's guitar playing was great, John's vocals were there, and everyone
had a chance to solo since Bad English only has one album. Yes Neal
Schon played a Schon guitar!
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| 610.19 | | PFLOYD::ROTHBERG | Not again, Bullwinkle.... | Mon Oct 09 1989 22:33 | 6 |
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How was Castronovo's drum solo?
The man is intense!
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| 610.20 | shake the Casbah | USRCV1::REAUME | syncronize your watches | Tue Oct 10 1989 14:43 | 12 |
| Oh yeah, as far as drum solos go, it was a good one. Not too
extended really, but well executed. I actually hadn't heard a
drum solo in a major act since I saw the Firm (Chris Slade on
drums) and that was a good one as well. With all the effects out
these days drum solos have gotten more technical. In this case,
with Castronovo there were no electronic drums, just good settings
on the verbs,flanges, and slap backs.
Neal Schon's solo was somewhat longer than the others and it
was set up to lead right into the nest song. I talked to a friend
of mine in Rochester, NY and he informed me Bad English is playing
a concert there (not a bar) with Great White and Tesla later this
month.
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| 610.21 | | BTOVT::BAGDY_M | You can't avoid a void ! | Tue Oct 10 1989 15:14 | 15 |
| 610.22 | probably crank live... | RICKS::MINARDI | you gotta bite,bite,bite-ada-bite-a | Tue Oct 10 1989 15:56 | 7 |
| I would bet that Bad English would be MUCH better in concert
than their two LAME singles would suggest.
Neil Schon is a great guitarist and John Waite is a good singer...
but the Bad Eng. stuff leaves me cold...
/Motorbreath...isn't Badlands coming to Boston soon??
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| 610.23 | I'm So Excited!! | USWS4::BUREN | | Mon Oct 30 1989 22:19 | 18 |
| I can't wait to tell Deen that you all gave Bad English their own NOTE!
I haven't been keeping up on hm notes but was very, very excited to see this
one! (Deen's an old friend...)
I saw their show at the Cabaret in San Jose, CA last month. They really do ROCK
much harder live than on the album. Deen is a killer drummer (ask Rob!) and
some of his speed is wasted on the slower tunes but I still have to say they're
a great band.
Because of the earthquake they had to cancel their San Francisco show at the
Fillmore (apparently they're tearing it down). We thought they had cancelled
completely so my roommate & I bought Warrant tix. Then Deen called
Sunday to say that they are playing Wednesday after all and Thursday they're
opening for Warrant at the Arco Arena in Sacramento! So now I've got to get
rid of those Warrant tix...!
lisa_who_doesn't_write_many_notes_but_will_make_an_exception_THIS_TIME!
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| 610.24 | VERY Biased Show Review | USWS4::BUREN | shake, rattle & roll! | Thu Nov 02 1989 18:40 | 29 |
| Saw Bad English at The Stone in The City (that's San Francisco to
Bay Arean's) Anyway, unlike last time - I managed to stay sober and
really take in the whole thing - And I must say it was quite a show!
Bad English really DOES rock live! I love a band that has a good
time and these boys were partying! They opened with Best Of What I
Got (my personal favorite and the next single to be released).
(When I See You Smile just went #1).
They played almost every song off the album except Possession and
one other one I can't think of right now. They through in a nice
blues tune I didn't recognize. Neal did a short solo at the end of
Lay Down Your Love but through-out the show his riff's really stood
out and Deen did a excellent solo too - its hysterically
funny to watch him and then to turn around and look at a crowd full
of wanna-be drummers with their mouths hanging open! It's just plain
weird to see him up there with these mega-musicians. I had to keep
looking and Neal and Jon, and then back to Deen to assure myself he
was actually on the same stage with them. The encore consisted of
"Head First" (really well done I thought, nice harmonies and it just
sounded real good) and "Jumpin' Jack Flash" which as far as I'm
concerned they could lose - it just doesn't seem to fit the bands
personality (although the crowd liked it).
This was my last opportunity to see them in a small club - it was
crowded, hot and standing room only. Tonight they open for Warrant
in Sacramento at a HUGE arena there. Saturday, Deen (and the band)
play in our hometown - Portland, Oregon. The media will have a hay-
Day "Local Boy Makes Good (Music)".
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| 610.25 | You heard it here first! | USWS4::BUREN | I feel the earth-move-under my feet | Thu Nov 16 1989 15:50 | 13 |
| Bad English will be going to England in a couple of weeks
to film the next video "Price of Love". It will be done
on location in one of the fabulous old churches there.
"Best of What I Got" will be released on or near the same
date as "Price of Love".
The producers of the next Rocky movie bought "Ready When
You Are" from B.E. for $100,000.
Does anybody care about this stuff? Nevermind. Don't answer
that!
Lisa
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| 610.26 | News Flash | USWS4::BUREN | I'm an HM DECie, Yesiree! | Tue Jan 09 1990 20:39 | 12 |
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Anybody heard "Best of What I Got" yet? Anybody like it?
Deen called last week, the video should be debuting on MTV
this weekend - they're still playing some small
venues and Bad English will once again be gracing San
Franciscan's with their presence.
They'll be at the Warfield Theatre on January 27th.
I can't wait! Anybody wanna go?
lb
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| 610.27 | MO | NEEPS::IRVINE | Bob Irvine @EDA | Wed Jan 10 1990 07:33 | 10 |
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Yeah, I've heard it. It's quite good, as is the album! I must
say though that I did find some of the album (read most) kinda shallow
and not really ballzy enough for me.
But "Best of What I got" is probably the best track on the album.
Bonzo
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| 610.28 | bigger and bigger! | USWS4::BUREN | Come Here You Little Butterbean, you! | Tue Jan 30 1990 21:33 | 15 |
| Bad English is progressively playing larger venues.
I saw them Saturday night at the Warfield Theatre,
they were wonderful as usual. It's just weird to
be in the audience and to be able to see Deen but
not have him be able to see me - he keeps getting
farther and farther away!
Ghost Town, a local band, opened for them. Soon,
Bad English will be on tour opening for ... believe
it or not... Kiss! Seems kinda like a strange combo
to me...?
OH YEAH, They're going to be on Arsenio tonight!
lb
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| 610.29 | No, not Kiss - I meant.... | WORK::BUREN | Life is just a chair of bowlies! | Tue Mar 20 1990 17:29 | 17 |
| Whitesnake!
Bad English is currently on the road opening for David and
the boys (interesting combo; not quite as weird as Kiss, but
close).
BE was nominated for four BAMmies this year. "Outstanding
Debut Album" (THEY WON! THEY WON!) "Outstanding Song" (they
didn't win - but hey, they were up against Neil Young -
perfectly understandable that he would win - don't you think -
I mean he's got such a great voice and all....yuk (IMHO)!)
"Outstanding Guitarist" (I believe someone from Metallica
won this) "Oustanding Keyboardist" (Todd Rundgren beat out
Jonathon Caine).
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| 610.30 | Looking for... | USWS3::BUREN | Life is just a chair of bowlies! | Fri Apr 06 1990 22:07 | 7 |
| Hi y'all!
I'm looking for a drum magazine that recently had a
small piece on Deen winning some drummer's award. Has
anybody seen or heard of this? Please let me know,
Lisa
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| 610.31 | No flames intended ... just too sweet ! | ASAHI::SCARY | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Sat Apr 07 1990 06:40 | 11 |
| I don't mean to hack any Bad English fans off, but, the more I hear
from this band the less I like them. IMHO it's mindless love song
garbage. One of the songs getting a lot of airplay here in Dixie,
starts off with a line something like, "If you wanna put an arrow
through my heart, shot it in the morning .." or something like that.
Was I dropped on my head as an infant, or is this line pretty stooopid?
The Baby's had some pretty sappy tunes - Journey did too, but put 'em
together and you get a bowl of maple syryp with 2 cups of confectioners
sugar blended in ..... BARF ! IMO, of course ...
Scary
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| 610.32 | | MILKWY::SLABOUNTY | The 16V, 240watt antenna mobile. | Mon Apr 09 1990 12:00 | 8 |
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The album starts out good (first 2 songs or so) and then
quickly dies down.
Like Scary says, too many love songs.
GTI
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| 610.33 | Well, somebody out there likes 'em... | USWS3::BUREN | Life is just a chair of bowlies! | Wed May 09 1990 18:32 | 5 |
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PLATINUM!!!!! 5/7/90!!!!!
lb
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| 610.34 | | PFLOYD::ROTHBERG | Only15mo&2wkOFbicyclingLEFT! | Thu May 10 1990 15:25 | 6 |
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Deen must LOVE being held back on his drumming
with this music! Then again, Wild Dogs didn't
exactly go platinum either :').
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| 610.35 | Review | USWS3::BUREN | Life is just a chair of bowlies! | Mon May 21 1990 18:48 | 17 |
| Went to Bad English/Whitesnake show Saturday night. Here's
the first review of Bad English;
They were good. Sound much better indoors though; however
for the first time ever (that I've seen them) I don't think
Jon was high and he remembered all of the words! Yay!
Everybody got a chance to solo - Deen's, of course, was
fantastic! Made a fool of myself, standing up and cheering
and screaming through the whole thing! Oh well, I just
got excited - which is what usually happens when I see Deen.
Play, I mean.
Anyhows, check the Whitesnake note for that review. If anybody
wants my opinion anyway...
lb
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| 610.36 | | CSC32::H_SO | Pizza dude's got 30 seconds! | Thu May 24 1990 03:02 | 9 |
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The concert at the Redrocks was pretty good. I must say, it would
take a lot of b*lls for any guitar player to be in the opening band
for Vai-snake. Even more, to do a guitar solo. And even futher more
to keep playing while the crowd is chanting, "Steve Vai, Steve Vai,..."
Poor Neal Schon... This is what nightmares are made of..
J-Dot
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| 610.37 | Schon isn't as flashy, but he's done some nice stuff! | NAVIER::STARR | My glance turns to a stare... | Thu May 24 1990 03:50 | 8 |
| > Poor Neal Schon... This is what nightmares are made of..
Well, let's not forget that Schon is a good guitarist in his own right! IN
fact, I may be endangering my life to say so here, but I probably like a lot
more of Schon's stuff than Vai's! The only *killer* stuff Vai has done (IMO)
was the DLR album. Hopefully his solo will live up to that....
alan
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| 610.38 | | RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Thu May 24 1990 16:52 | 6 |
| Vai's just getting the respect and attention he's deserved for YEARS.
It just took him hooking up with a "public" figure like DLR, instead of
a more private type like Zappa. Neal Schon's work is very good, but
his riffs are pretty predictable IMO. Still a good player though ...
Scary (the king of predictable riffs ...)
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| 610.39 | Schon | COOKIE::G_HOUSE | | Thu May 24 1990 19:27 | 20 |
| I liked Schon when he was with Journey and HSAS, but his stuff lately seems
a little lame (or tame as the case may be).
I've read a lotta stuff that says he's got a monster ego is a major pain to
work with.
On the other hand I love everything I've heard from Steve Vai...
re: Moto
I wouldn't say I was jumping on any bandwagons, since I was into his music
at least four-five years ago. I got the Flexable album before he joined
DLR, (when it was only available as an import). If you look back, most of
the people in here that are going on and on about Vai are the same ones
that have consistantly done so for a long time.
Maybe outside this conference there's a Vai bandwagon, but I think in here
it's about the same crowd.
gh
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| 610.40 | Stupid cover on the album..too! | COMET::FRISBYA | Wake me when it's over | Wed Oct 02 1991 21:02 | 8 |
| Bad English has released their second album:
BACKLASH...
Boring.
Frizkid
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| 610.41 | | GAMGEE::ROBR | Its not easy bein' cheezy... | Wed Oct 02 1991 21:07 | 6 |
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yeah, but their drummer is the ULTIMATE!!!
(though you'd never guess it on those albums...)
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| 610.42 | You'd think they'd be awesome? | COMET::FRISBYA | Wake me when it's over | Thu Oct 03 1991 14:21 | 7 |
| GAZ...I think it has to do with attitude.
Actually Bad English has *tons* and *tons* of musical ability.
The just don't channel it right.
Frizkid
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| 610.43 | 3 conjunctions | HLDG00::SUTHERLAND | Gies a nip 'n' a pint o' heavy, Jimmy | Thu Oct 03 1991 14:35 | 6 |
| So I never listened to any of their stuff! So I can't comment! But
given the general drift here, I think I will avoid them! Lots of good
music out there!
GAZ I want Galactic Cowboys
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| 610.44 | Music to retch by | GOES11::G_HOUSE | I wanna be sedated! | Thu Oct 03 1991 15:26 | 8 |
| I agree with Friz (about something musical, feature that). The band
has a bunch of people with proven talant from other bands, but it just
didn't seem to gel in Bad English. I expected more. Their music is
extremely limp, IMVHO.
Plus I think the band name is stupid...
gh
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| 610.45 | Putting in something that has to do WITH the topic | COMET::FRISBYA | I never said I loved you | Mon Dec 16 1991 14:30 | 8 |
| BAd English has called it quits....
John Waite is collaborating with Adrian Vandenberg.
Bassist Ricky Phillips and drummer Dean Castronovo are working with
the David Coverdale/Jimmy Page project.
Frizkid
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| 610.46 | hot off the wires... | TENAYA::DOERFLER | Lisa "twisted into form" | Mon Dec 30 1991 21:39 | 31 |
| gosh it's been a long time since I've been in this conference.
Hi Rob!
Just off the phone with Deen. (well o.k. it was a couple
of days ago...)
Deen and Neal are working on a new project to be released in
March. The group is called Hardline. Apparently they got an
even more favorable contract from the record company with this
band than they did with Bad English. The other members are
virtual unknowns. The Gioelli (spelling could be wrong...
pronounced similar to "jelly") brothers ( you east coasters
might recognize them since I think they're from Philly) and
the bassist from Sequel and most recently David Lee Roth's tour;
I believe his name is Todd Jenson.
Hardline will tour during the spring/summer of '92. Deen says
it's better than Bad English...who knows?
Has anybody else heard anything about this group? I haven't heard
about it in the media at all.
Future projects could include a Journey reunion, but that's
at least 1 - 2 years down the road. Apparently Neal and Steve
Perry have reconciled and there was talk (at the Bill Graham
tribute) of making another album. Of course Steve Smith is
busy with The Storm and Deen is certain he would be the drummer.
Lisa
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| 610.47 | | GAMGEE::ROBR | Why are we here? Because we're here... | Tue Dec 31 1991 04:32 | 12 |
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Deen with Journey?!?!? That would be the ULTIMATE!!! It would be hard
to choose whom I like better. Smith is so incredible, but so is
Deen... um, Smith, Castronovo, Smith, Castronovo... I can't choose.
Anyway, thanks for the info and welcome back to the conference!
- Rob who was just listening to Wild Dogs yesterday...
I'd love to get my hands on some of their earlier stuff. Which reminds
me, Mike Butkus said he has Man's Best Friend that I can have... now to
find his number... :')
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| 610.48 | taking the hardline | TENAYA::DOERFLER | Lisa - twisted into form | Tue Dec 31 1991 17:20 | 7 |
| Yeah, Deen's pretty pscyhed.
anyway I have a feeling Hardline is going to be a pretty-boy
band...but they're supposedly harder than Bad English.
Gawd I hated Backlash! It's just got to be better!
ld
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| 610.49 | A definate DON'T buy.... | MPGS::HOWES | Hold your heartbeat in your hand. | Wed Jan 22 1992 23:49 | 14 |
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As if you already didn't know. Backlash is terible, it is one of
the worst albums I have heard in a long time. I thought I might
like it because once in a while I like to listen to something
a bit slower (When I get sick of the heavy stuff). But Backlash
is not worth getting even if it was free.. I am better of listening
to TNT, The Storm, Tall Stories, and Tyketto when I like something
slow, any thing but Backlash!!!!!
-Seth
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