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Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
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Created:Thu May 05 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1238
Total number of notes:65616

572.0. "Asia" by ODIHAM::MCMASTER_E (What, me worry ?) Thu Jun 22 1989 15:11

A S I A
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ASIA          |
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ASIA - ALPHA  ||| ---  The three B*E*S*T Albums of all time
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ASIA - ASTRA  |

If anyone ever complains that Metal is all noise and no subtlety, they should 
be told to listen to these albums.

The problem is, not enough other people thought so, as they seem to have 
disintegrated.

Does anyone out there know if they still perform / record ???  If not, does 
anyone know to which band(s) the various members have gone:-

Geoff Downes     Keyboard / Vocals
Steve Howe       Guitars  / Vocals
Carl Palmer      Drums    / Percussion    (The Best)
John Wetton      Lead Vocal / Bass

Please help to satisfy my craving for more of this music !!
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572.1Reposted ...ANT::SLABOUNTYThe word for today is legs ...Mon Jun 26 1989 12:4211
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PFLOYD::ROTHBERG "Get the priest as well..."         11 lines  22-JUN-1989 17:22
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                I love
                their first album, but the last two really boned.
                Favorite  Asia song is Time Again.    That  is  a
                fairly heavy song too.  These guys  (at  least on
                the  first  album)  I  would  put  into the  same
                musical catagory as Boston.
                
572.2Reposted ...ANT::SLABOUNTYThe word for today is legs ...Mon Jun 26 1989 12:4315
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CASEE::LALLI "Didier - BCE Valbonne - ext. 828.5423" 22 lines  23-JUN-1989 03:13
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	GTR was a ASIA like made out of :

		Steve Howe
		Steve Hacket (ex genesis)
		and a few other guys.

	But it was really poor compared to Asia. As most of the people here
	already don't like Asia, I doubt they want to hear about GTR :-)

	Didier

572.3Reposted ...ANT::SLABOUNTYThe word for today is legs ...Mon Jun 26 1989 12:4411
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VCSESU::COOK "Leon has arrived!"                      7 lines  26-JUN-1989 08:25
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    Even Carl Palmer hated Asia, and he drummed for them. He said so
    himself in one of his drum clinics.
    
    Their music is trash, IMO (and in Carl's opinion).
    
    /prc

572.4Reposted - please continue "heaviness" discussion in 83ANT::SLABOUNTYThe word for today is legs ...Mon Jun 26 1989 12:4511
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USCTR1::KGALLANT "Rock'n'roll is my religion..."     15 lines  23-JUN-1989 12:12
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    	RE: LASHAM::MCMASTER_E	...there's a topic in here on  
    	what makes heavy metal heavy.  Check it out.  It won't 
    	give you a dictionary definition, but it provides a sort
    	of "feel" about it.                                    
                                                               
    	Tigga~~~                                               
   
572.5Asia, British AOR, etc.STAR::DONOVANThu Jul 27 1989 14:5888
    I thought Asia was a reasonably credible band.  As an aspiring song
    writer, I have an appreciation for the melodies and hooks that
    characterized the first two albums.  I must admit, however, that I am
    an apologist for pop/metal.  While I have the utmost respect for
    the technical masters of any instrument, I think it harder to write
    a straight melodic song with normal lyrics than it is to screech
    at the top of your lungs about death and other miserable things while
    firing out repeated harmonic minor scales like a machine gun a la
    Metallica.
    
    Carl Palmer may have confessed not liking their music but I think
    the problem lies within himself.  His contribution was not on par
    with his earlier work and that may gnaw at his insides.  He just
    might not be the percussionist one would use for a song-oriented
    (as opposed to chops-oriented) group.
    
    I imagine it's real easy for a faded drummer to call music he
    performed poorly (and received no writing royalties) trash. 
    
    For those hungry for more Asia music, John Wetton has a number of
    solo albums out.  One came out fairly recently and for the life of
    me I can't recall it now.  It was the Wetton- "Something" band.
    Also, check "Lark's Tongue in Aspic" by King Crimson.  And if you
    are real lucky, look for some UK albums featuring John Wetton and
    another drummer extraordinnairre, Mr. Terry Bozio.  Bozio, ex
    of Missing Persons, is reported to be the drummer for the new
    Jeff Beck band.  Apparently he feels this is a better use of 
    his time than doing drum clinics in small stores and tearing 
    down his past bandmates.
    
    STeve Howe defected to GTR, along with ex-genesis guitarist Steve
    Hacket.  The album is virtually unlistenable.  The two neglected the
    guitar as "guitar" and spent a lot of time and midi-money making it
    sound like keyboards.  Why?  The signer, Max Bacon, was an honors
    graduate from the John Waite-Styx School of Whining, and the songs
    lacked hooks and memorable melodies.   Howe is largely AWOL from the
    new Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford, and Howe, a major disappointment for
    guitarists.  Howe's last substantial recorded work is on the first
    two Asia albums.  If you can get beyond the radio singles, he does
    some nice acoustic guitar work in the albums.
    
    Incidentally, this is all hearsay, but the demise of Asia was due
    largely to the inability of Wetton and Howe to coexist with one
    another.  If you remember Asia's brief history, Wetton was thrown
    out and replaced by Greg Lake, who was featured in the Asia in Asia
    concert video.  Lake quit, the band had no song writers and Wetton
    was asked to return, whereupon Howe quit.  The group's third and 
    final album, Astra, was recorded by noted metal guitarist Mandy
    Pantinkin (sp?) but the guitar tracks were noticeably and deliberately
    buried.  Anyhow, the wildest rumors have Wetton and Howe punching
    each other out in some midwestern Hotel.
    
    Keyboardist Geoff Downes produced GTR.  That explains the domineering
    keyboard sounds and effects, I guess.  The essential Downes, I think,
    is found on The Buggles.  The Buggles consisted of Downes and Trevor
    Horn and the two were adopted to Yes in the early 80's when Jon
    Anderson and Rick Wakeman quit the band.  The resulting album, DRAMA,
    is worth picking up for four bucks in the cut-out bins.  As often
    mentioned in NOTES, the cut Tempest Fugit (sp?) is quite good.
    
    Maybe these British groups ought to form on big group and have
    relievers, not unlike a major league baseball team.  "Coming in for the
    second hour of the concert for middle relief is keyboardist Pat
    Moraz."
    
    Think of all the combinations the following people have played in
    together:
    
    Rick Wakeman
    Eddie Jobson
    Pat Moraz
    Keth Emerson
    Geoff Downes
    Trevor Horn
    John Wetton
    Tony Levin
    Chris Squire
    Greg Lake
    Steve Howe
    Robert Fripp
    Steve Hackett
    Bill Bruford
    Terry Bozio
    Alan White
    Carl Palmer
    
    Maybe it's time to send Lou Gorman over to London and get things
    straightened out.
572.6HAZEL::STARRKids flash guitars just like switchbladesThu Jul 27 1989 15:1713
Nice note, Brian!

Just one comment -

>    For those hungry for more Asia music, John Wetton has a number of
>    solo albums out.  One came out fairly recently and for the life of
>    me I can't recall it now.  It was the Wetton- "Something" band.

It was the Wetton-Manzarek (or something like that). Its not the guitarist 
from the Doors, but the guy from Roxy Music (and I always get their names 
confused).

cat
572.7Not a Doors fan or anything... ;^)CSC32::G_HOUSENo silver bullets please!Thu Jul 27 1989 18:047
    Just a nit, but Ray Manzarek was the Keyboardist, not the guitarist for
    The Doors.  Despite what most people believe, he actually wrote most of
    the music (not the lyrics, though) for the songs the Doors did.
    
    Robbie Krieger was the guitarist...
    
    gh
572.8oh well, so I'm not perfect.... 8^)HAZEL::STARRKids flash guitars just like switchbladesThu Jul 27 1989 18:356
>    Just a nit, but Ray Manzarek was the Keyboardist, not the guitarist for
>    The Doors.  Robbie Krieger was the guitarist...

Oh yeah! I knew that too.....

cat
572.9UK, tooVINO::SENDLOSKYSun Jul 30 1989 12:208
    Re: .5
    
    Yes, quite a list people! What about UK? Bruford, Wetton, Jobson, and
    and Alan Holdsworth? Their album did no justice to how they performed
    and sounded live. Then later UK became Bozio, Bruford and Wetton which
    was nothing compared to the original quartet.
    
    larry