Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Extreme, extreme, extreme.  My favorite local band for the past
    5 or 6 years (even when they were The Dream)
    
    They haven't been doing any of my favorite songs lately, and I was
    heartbroken to find out that my all-time favorite (More Than Words)
    didn't make it onto the album.  I go to see them only to hear that
    song, most of the time.
    
    I hear their album is coming out March 14th, their song Play With
    Me is going to be on the soundtrack of Bill & Ted's Excellent
    Adventure, and for those of you who have seen the commercial for
    that movie, that's Nuno playing the guitar.
    
    I hope these guys do great.  They're very talented and have worked
    hard.
    
    Dilly

    	So, where did you go to visualize these individuals?
    
    	These guys have been boppin' all over for a couple o' years now.
    
    	They signed their label deal last summer if I remember correctly.
    
    	I'd even bet that you didn't have to drink "9 coronas" for them
    
    	to sound good. (Hic)
    
    	    I probably won't buy the album when it's released, but that's
    
    	just me. I'm sure all fans of Extreme will be very pleased with
    
    	their first release.

        
    	    Rock on, Boston home grown...
    
    
    	P.S.   Let us know what you think of the album.

                
                Yeah, Gary's  just  WICKED  unique.   Can you say
                Steven Tyler?   I  knew you could.  Can Nuno .  .
                .  Joe Perry  definately.    I  really like these
                guys (alot more than Aerosmith),  but I'm kind of
                Extremed out after seeing them at  least  a dozen
                times.
                
                - The Wraith -
                
                

    
    I like Extreme, but I agree with rob...
    
    Gary = Steve Tyler (looks), Axl Rose (stage presence)
    Nuno = Joe Perry (looks), Gilbert meets Vai (playing style)

    Since we're all putting our .02 in...
    
    Gary=Yummy
    Nuno=Yummier (!!!!x100000)
    
    Sorry, just had to say that.  I deleted my original note that had
    only the above for content and thought I'd make this "legitimate."
    See, I'm trying...??!!
    
    I agree that they may look and maybe act like Aerosmith, but what's
    wrong with that?  It's not like they are obnoxiously copying their
    every move.  They have a lot of energy (except for Pat who only
    moves around when he remembers to, they have to work on that) but
    I think they put on a great stage show, and are a lot more appealing
    than a lot of other bands I've seen.
    
    Gary's been called "Richard Simmons on drugs" before, but he has
    toned down the aerobic moves a little and dances around more.
    He used to look like "Sweatin' to the Oldies!"  This is my favorite
    topic in the whole conference.  I love Extreme.
    
    Dilly

    Got a call from my WEA friend and she assures me the Extreme lp is
    shipping to the stores on Tuesday, March 14th.  I've called the Minor
    Chord store in Acton, and they said they'd have it in ($5.99lp,
    12.99cd, FYI) 
    
    Buck

    Hey Dilly,  What's the name of that power ballard tune that Extreme
    does?  Was trying to think of it and forgot the name!
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Buck

                Are you thinking of Rock-a-bye-baby?
                
                They play  a  tape  and everyone just sings to it
                with all the harmonies, etc?
                

    Maybe "More Than Words".
    
    That's the one that Gary & Nuno do by themselves.  It's awesome.
    By far my favorite song of theirs.  The words....
                         
    Next time I see Gary I am going to tell him to take a sec and catch
    his breath before he starts that song.  It's so beautiful and simple,
    But the last couple of times he's ruined it by panting after every
    line.  Spoils the mood.
    
    Dilly   
    
    

    gary and nuno did `more than words' friday nite at the channel...they
    where supposed to do a longer acoustic set, but arrived late so
    they cut them off after one song...gary also joined the Drive onstage
    for Aerosmiths' Mama Kin.....Highlight of the nite....at this moment
    they are in LA doing their video ( Kid Ego ). i also think `more
    than words' is a great song....i'm told it might make the second
    album.    great topic...

    
    Does anyone know how to get on EXTREME'S Mailing list??? 
    
    Cindi
    
    oops.. I mean CJ

    i'm pretty sure they don't have a mailing list at the moment....i
    will check into it and post it for you. i know they had one as the
    Dream, but i don't recall them having one since Nuno joined.
    pfl
    

i'm curious to know what people think of certain aspects of the band
    ( extreme ) :  good points, bad points, etc.
    lyrical content, Gary's voice, Nuno's guit style, the way they present
    themselves, their personalities ( onstage/offstage ) the way they
    dress, who would you compare them to.    
    pfl
    

    Here I go, on my favorite subject!
    
    They are definitely one of my favorite bands, but I'm not the type
    to have blind spots over their weaknesses, either.
    
    I think they look good and have a lot of energy.  I think Gary &
    Nuno give a lot of life to the show.  Gary used to have a songbird
    of a voice, but now it's starting to slide.  It's still quite adequate,
    and many of the bands of late have proven that it's how you look/act
    that overshadows a lacking voice.  He's pretty good now, but before
    he used to be great.
    
    I don't know about their songs, though.  They have a couple of good
    tunes out there now, but they are getting weaker as they go along
    IMO.  When Nuno first joined, the tunes they wrote were good, if
    not a little tentative, but the second "set" they wrote are the
    ones I like the best.  (Teacher's Pet--my favorite, which Gary &
    Nuno sang in sort of a falsetto, At 'em (sp?) Eat Your Body, Little 
    Jack Horny, Suzie etc)  These newer ones seem to lack direction.
    They have more feel, and the ones *I* personally liked weren't really
    "market quality" too coy and full of double-entendres, very formulated.
    I don't know, I *like* the new tunes, but my SO hates them and his
    points against them are valid.  I think Kid Ego is a dumb song to
    make a video of, but is is appropriate these days...
                                       
    Which leads me to their personalities... I have been friends with
    Gary for a long time (6 years or so) and the shy, sweet person he
    used to be has turned rather obnoxious, IMO.  I think they subscribe
    to the theory that people will make a big deal of you if you play
    the role, which works to an extent, but it's out of hand.  I was
    seeing Nuno at the time he quit Sinful to join Extreme, and the
    change was pretty marked.  He used to be shy and really nice, but
    now he seems kind of snotty.  He's ok, though.  Cute goes a long
    way in my book;^)
    
    My SO (who is a great player, if I do say so myself) says he thinks
    Nuno is a great player, and is really hot, but lacks a little
    technique and refinement.  He says he is a natural talent and if
    sent to GIT or something, would really be dangerous.  He also says
    that if he was Nuno, he wouldn't be able to sleep night thinking
    that he was putting *those* songs on his album.  He thinks they
    lack integrity.  I think Nuno is great, I used to love to listen
    to him play guitar & piano, but my SO has a point.
    
    I love them anyway.  Even *with* Nuno's nose job.
    
    Dilly

    No Buck, it's rock stars, can't live with 'em, can't SHOOT 'em.
    
    
    I know what you mean about Nuno.  It's rather unbecoming.
    
    Dilly

I can assume that Extereme is not a two-man band, right?

How is the rest of the band? Are they individually talented enough to
play with the band? And do they play well together? 

cat

    
    
    When I saw them play (only once) I though they were really cool..
    
    The lead singer dude (gary?) and an excellent stage prescense, he
    was fantastic when it came to that.
    
    I liked their songs.  Am gonna pick up the album..
    
    I don't know any of them personally, but I can't stand that yucko
    attitude either.  You can't forget your past and the fans who brought
    you to where you are now!
    
    F.

    Re. a couple back
    
    Paul the drummer is an adequate drummer, and I think that's all
    they need since Extreme is really Gary & Nuno's dog & pony 
    show.
    
    Plus, he has been with the band for like 7 or 8 years now, he and
    Gaz are the only original members.
    
    I think Pat has gotta loosen up!  He's a good guy (or used to be
    when I knew him and he was in In The Pink he used to be really nice.
    Now it seems he's caught that Kid Ego syndrome that goes along with
    being signed and on the top of the hometown heap.
    
    He really doesn't do anything for me as a bass player, though.
    No real feel or rhythm, but that's just MO.
    
    Dilly               
                                                        
    

some really thoughtful AND valid opinions being brought forth...i'd
    like to make a few comments, opinions, disagreements. where to start..
    Gary's voice (imo)i he's worked very hard on it for years and it
    has improved noticibly, he's hitting notes now that he wouldn't
    have even attempted, say, 3 or 4 years ago. 
    I also agree that Kid Ego is a lame song and as you say it is
    "appropiate". ( the record company had a big say in the choice ).
    Paul ( the drummer ) may not have a very rocked out image but he
    is a ** great ** drummer and a BIG part of the Extreme.
    I will address the "yucko attitudes", "obnoxiousness", and all the
    other `misconceptions' about Gary some other time.              
    pfl

     i'm surprised to hear that from somebody who has known
     Gary for ( 6 years or so ). i think that if you asked 
     anybody who knows Gary, the person, as opposed to Gary 
     the entertainer, if he has "changed" over the years, the
     answer would be an emphatic `NO'. IMO he does not subscribe
     to any theories nor does he play any roles ( off stage that 
     is ). how he projects himself on stage is a whole diff-
     erent ballgame.  for curiosties sake, can you elaborate.
      
    pfl
    

    i don't agree with you guys but i definitely do respect your 
    opinions, people perceive other people in different ways,
    ( did that sound right ? ).  
    
    getting back to matters that matter, what do you people think of
    the lyrical content of the Extreme's playlist??  

has any body seen "Bill and Ted's excellent adventure" yet...the
    movie with an Extreme song ( Play with me ) in the sountrack.
    Funny movie......the song is used during the chase scene thru the
    mall.......the sound track album is out as we read...decent version
    of the song but it will also be on their album in a better sounding
    take...
    pfl

    
    Saturday night was great! (Well, I didn't get to see them, because
    of my age.. but I heard the show was cool, anyone want to fill me
    in?)  But saturday was still cool, I met Peter <DASXPS::PLEVINE>
    after the show, and we went to Gary's house, the lead singer...
    and I got to see the video they just finished for Kid Ego!  It was
    incredible!!!  I can't wait to see it on MTV!  What was really great
    about the video was it was "music".. no half clothed women, etc..
    to sell their music, they don't need it!! No make up.. no "leather,
    spandex"... just them and their music!!!  They will actually have
    people saying "Hey, have you seen the new Extreme video.., it was
    great!  I love the song!", instead of "Hey, have you seen that new
    video out with the great blonde babes in the bikini's, I think it
    was some group called Extreme.."  The album cover for the new album
    is also great.. can't wait to buy it!
    
    As for personalities, they guys are all great! Not one bit snobish..
    Gary and Nuno are cool.. I got to "really" talk with them... and
    they all know about us here at DEC.. Dilly.. watch out!!  8-)
    They definately appreciate your comments about the band..  critisism
    and all..  They're a great group of guys, down to earth and have
    their heads on straight!  I wish them the best of luck!!
    
    Peter... your great too!  8-)  Thank you!!!
    
    CJ

    Hey C.J.
    
    Was there a kid named Scott there??
    
    -re>

    Scott?  You'd have to ask Peter on that one.. I met alot of people,
    can't remember all of their names...
    
    When is Extreme playing out when I can see them.. 8-(  It stinks
    being under 21!  One more year!
    
    I can't wait to buy the album.. March 14th did he say Pete?
    
    CJ

    Peter,
    
    Do YOU know Scott -ah- I think his name is Chesley or something
    like that. He lives in Boxford. I think he still goes to school
    in New York. He plays a mean guitar and he's *wicked* good friends
    with Extreme. He grew up with Gary, I guess.....
    
    -renee>

    the name doesn't ring a bell....neither "scott" nor "chesley".
    pfl

    
    
    listen to this everyone!!
    
    Last night I got in my car,  it was say 7:15.  When I started up
    the car, the radio was already on, blasting, on WAAF.
    
    This song was playing... I was like "what this?  its sounds good..
    lets listen for a few"
    
    all of the sudden I hear.......
    
    
    "Hey Kid Ego...."
    
    I was like NO WAY - already on the radio stations, AAF no less!

    
    I went to see Flesh and Pieces at Grover's last night.  Gary and
    Nuno were there and I figured I'd meet the situation head on and
    apologized for the things I wrote in here.
    
    Guess things weren't as bad as I had envisioned.  Gary cracked up
    when he found out it was me who wrote all those things in the file,
    he hadn't put 2+2 together and figured it out.  Anyway, he said
    that they are always up for constructive criticisms, and he knew
    that he got my honest opinion, seeing as I never even intended for
    them to see it.
    
    He was super-nice, though.  Not "obnoxious" at all.  Maybe he learned
    something...
    
    Dilly_who_is_glad_she_got_*that*_out_of_the_way

    
    	Well. . .I  can now be part of this note, since I heard the song
    over  the  weekend.  `Kid  Ego'.  Definately  a  good  rockin' tune.
    They  said  on  WAAF  (while  I was driving home today :^)) that the
    CD will be released on the 14th of this month.  So I will definately
    have  to  get my copy and check them out a little better when I come
    down in two weeks. (Er, well less than two weeks :^))
    
    METALord"

    
    
         I finally heard Kid Ego too, it was number three on the WAAF
     top 5 @ 5. PRetty goog song, I liked it alot. Is this a good example
     of what their music is like?
    
    /Bill
    
     

    
    
    
    	So THAT'S who does that song.  I heard it last night on
    	WAAF, too, and I really liked it but for the life of me
    	I couldn't remember WHO it was that did it!!
    
    	Extreme is the Boston band that got signed, right??
    	(Forgive me but i don't read into this topic very often)
    
    	Tigg~~

    You got it Tigga! And about time too, how long have they been around??
    
    Yeah, this kid gave me a tape of two of their early demos. One taped
    in Portugal the other in LA...you hear all their first mistakes
    as well as the beginnings of the new songs they have now...
    
    My favorite song, and I hope they have it on this new album of theirs
    is 'Watching, Waiting'....anyone ever heard it before??
    
    -renee>

    
    
    IMO
    
    Kid Ego is a *good* tune by them... but alot of them are better!
    
    I believe the record company wanted to promote Kid Ego big time..
    for the vid. and stuff.  Be sure to get the album... that will be
    a good sampling of Extreme!!
    
    F.

                
                Hopefully they  will  have  alot  of  their older
                stuff on this  album.    I  have a tape of a live
                show  they  broadcasted  on  some  college  radio
                station  about 3 years ago.    About  90  minutes
                worth.  Sounded like there were  about  10 people
                in the audience.
                
                - Rob -
                

    "watching,waiting" is a great song!! it WILL be on the album i am
    told.   

    I can't wait, I've already seen the video, can't wait to buy the
    album!
    
    CJ

    I'd buy it for that song alone!!!
    
    -vamp>

a song that won't be on the album ( so i've heard ) and my ALL time fave is
    "a song for love". should have left "mutha" off and included that.
    whatever happened to their song "suzie"?

    
    	Well, it's the 14th. . .anyone gonna' buy the CD today ? :^)

    I am, I am, I am  (But we all knew that!)
    
    I can't wait, so I'm picking up the cassette today at lunch, but
    I think my little (6'3'!!) brother is picking up the CD sometime
    this week.
                    
    You watch, I won't be able to find it.  I might go to see Flesh
    at the Channel tonight (Metal nite).  That's somewhat related...
    
    Dilly

    the cd and tape will have "play w/me" on it and the album won't
    so ya kinda hafta pick them up. real neat stuff. words and everything.
    did any body catch Gary and Nuno on Kiss 108 this morning. Matt
    Siegal did not do his homework! 

    I got it! I got it!
    
    I don't know what happened to me, this *force* overtook me and *made*
    me drive to Strawberries...
    
    Listening to it now.
    
    Good news (for me) my all-time fave Extreme tune Teacher's Pet *is*
    on the album.  Plus a couple tunes even *I* haven't heard before
    or don't recognize them...
    
    Awesome, but of course *I* would say that...
               
    Smiling Dilly with the headphones....
    

    
    Hey, Nuno's guitar solo is on here!
    Cool.
    
    Dilly

    So, Buck, how do you like it?
    
    .....little girls....as you feel..
    
    What's the verdict?
    
    ...yet to come...
    
    Dilly

    
    
    
    
    Thanks mega!
    
    Thats right up the street from my work!
    
    How longs the special cause I won't have money till Wed. p.m. and
    work be in work again until Mon.
    
    F.
    
    

    
    Then you'll be boppin' around your office looking like a complete
    dilly like me;^)
    
    I'm having a blast here all by myself..
    
    BTW-there are 2 solos (in between songs) one before Mutha and one
    before Play With Me (on cassette)
    
    Indulgent, isn't he?
     
    Dilly

    
    Hey Matt, you're psyched!
     
    
    I think this album is going to be promoted as any other band would.
    
    They don't belong to Boston anymore, of course, it's the Boston
    (and area) that are going to be selling like hotcakes today and
    this week, but I think everywhere should have it.
    
    Dilly

    BTW. . .the CD cost me $11.99 yesterday. . .What're they going for
    in Mass. ?
    
    METALord"

    My brother paid $9.99 on sale at Strawberries in Plaistow, and the
    cassette/album was only $5.99.
    
    When I got there bright and early to pick mine up yesterday, they
    took it right out of the box and must not have put the sale stickers
    on yet, I paid $7.99 for the cassette in Chelmsford.
    
    Dilly

    I went to Strawberries after work, and they had sold out Sudbury
    and Framingham (closest to me), they asked me if I wanted to be
    put on a waiting list (with 40 names on it already!) OUCH!
    Luckily my friend manages the store in Framingham and he's going
    to save me one.  What a bummer.
    
    CJ

    The "Kids Ego" were at the Channel last night (and Bunratty's too)
    and Nuno got onstage and jammed with Flesh for their song Jam.
    
    He wasn't doing much, though, a little here and there, but Gary's
    brother (Mike, Mark, Mick, Mook, Mack, Mock whatever his name is,
    Mike I think) was really holding it together.  Not too exciting.
    
    Dilly

    
    
    Hey Metalord, if you have the extra $$ could you pick me up
    the tape and I'll pay ya when you get here? 
    
    You can't find it out here anymore!!
    
    F.

    RE: F.
    
    	Just got off the phone with `Strawberry's'. . .they have about
    50 in stock. (Cassettes, that is)  I'll grab you one before I head
    home  for  the  day.  (The  nice lady there even said they were on 
    sale ! :^))  Maybe  you  southerners (:^)) should make a road trip
    up here on the weekend and grab `em while you can ! :^)
    
    METALord"

    
        Well, "Kid Ego" was #1 on the 'Top 5 at 5:00' on WAAF
        last night.
    
        It was the first time I'd heard the song ... it was OK.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Well,
    
    The Extreme CD is getting plenty of air-play on the Buck home
    ent. system....A review will soon follow.
    
    Two quick comments right now...I like most of the hooks...they wimped
    out Mutha big time (for radio probably), and Nuno's intonation at
    the end of Rock a Bye is just awful...I fast forward on that part.
    
    Buck

    Well, I finally got the tape, and we (F. Jesse, and the gang)
    decided that we liked the album, but it sounded a little poseur
    rockish, like Poison for instance.  All in all the album is
    great, I listened to it over and over.  I understand the 'sound'
    though, the record company probably had MUCH influence over how
    the songs would be produced, and EXTREME will have more play
    with their next album.  Does the CD have play with me on it btw?
    
    CJ

    
    Yup...play with me is the last song on the CD.
    
    Buck, who likes the extreme album, but some stuff really irks me!

    
        Well, the album debuted at #2 on the WAAF "NE Album Countdown".
    
        They played FOUR songs off of it ... the last (I believe)
        was "Play With Me".
    
        When I first turned it on, it was almost over ... and I didn't
        know what it was - I thought Van Hagar was finally reverting
        to the old Van Halen days!!  Sounded good!!
    
                                                       GTI

    I've listened to the whole Extreme album...
    
    I like a couple songs on this album, but for the most part
    I don't care for this band. 
    Their lyrics in some of the songs border on embarrassing, and
    it seems like their target audience is 13 year old girls.
    
    I WANNA EAT YOUR BODY
    EAT YOUR BODY
    NAUGHTY, NAUGHTY
    
    nauseating, nauseating.
    
    I LOVE Do You Wanna Play With Me... just because of Nuno's incredible
    guitar playing. This band may be better named as NUNO, because to
    me it seems like the rest of the band on this album is along for
    the ride. His playing reminds me of a mixture of Warren DeMartini,
    and Ed Van Halen, but better than both. 
    
    	I have a feeling that the band just needs some real good 
    guidance before they're really going to get anywhere, because 
    with the exception of Nuno's playing on this album, they don't
    stand out from the hordes of other talented young bands on the 
    market.
    
    /Motorbreath
    
    

    I don't agree, we all know my opinions on this topic;^)
    
    But even so, 13-15 year olds get allowances, you know.  And know
    what else?  they buy records and posters with it.
    
    I know, I was one

    
    Nuno...better than Warren and Eddie??
    
    Oh C'MON...Nuno has some chops, but he's not that good!

    
    Yeah, that is a lame statement. DiMartini is VERY good, and EVH
    is EVEN Better. Nuno's just a little kid compared to them. And he
    has ZIPPO originality.
    
    /prc

    
    	Well... I figured that'd get a response!
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    >>            -< but I thought EVH was WAY overrated? ;^) >-
      
    
           Yeah, but now you're going from one EXTREME to the other.
    
           Ha ha!!  8^)
    
                                                       GTI
    

re:469.90
    Dude, i think your WHOLE argument went out the window with the 
    "Nuno better than Warren D./EVH" statement.
    The mans' good but........
    As far as their lyrics go, you have to admit that *most* heavy
    metal/hard rock lyrics are not exactly classic literature.
    nuff said for now.
                              
    

    Cj and F. made me listen to these guys when we was driving home
    from the airport. I think they got a good shot to be pretty big.
    I can't see them headlining a major world tour, but hell, if Poison
    can get big, these guys can.
    
    
    my humble devil dog opinion.

    
    	re: .97
    
    OKAY!!!! I TAKE IT F***ING BACK OKAY??!!! 8^)
    Maybe it was a pinhead statement "dude", but I completely
    mean everything else.
    
    Yeah, most HM songs aren't exactly tremendous literary 
    achievements... but you don't notice that when it's a great
    song.
    	Every Ratt song has lousy lyrics, but the songs are great, and
    it doesn't bother ya. That's not true for me with Extreme's album.
    
    they just sound like an obvious poseur style band, without
    originality. Gary's singing at some times reminds me of  
    LA GUNS' singer.
    Sing the word "sin" like "seeein"
    Sing the word "me"  like "may"
                                                 
    /Motorbreath...getting carried away

    
    re: last
    
    now u leave la guns outta this :^P
    
    	wendy o'
    
    

    I think Gary sounds like a cross between Ozzy and Michael Hutchensce
    from INXS!!!  I think their lyrics are ok...no probs there, but you
    know, I listen to GnR's AFD...their first album, then I listen to
    Extreme, and they just don't compare quality wise (ever ask yourself
    why??  Not like either band has had `more' expreience or anything).  I
    don't think the Extreme album will have a top 10 hit off it, although
    Mutha, Wind me Up, and Watching/Waiting have a good shot at the top
    100.  I mean, if bogus lita ford tunes can make it in there...Extreme
    isn't that bad! 

    re .101
    Yeah, don't everyone get the wrong idea. I "like" the band,
    and the album... they're just going to need "something" to
    hit it big, that's all.
    
    I don't exactly love the production on this album either.
    
    Watching/Waiting is catchy
    Mutha always was a good tune
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    re .102
    
    Yeah, like a new drummer.
    
    /prc

I haven't heard the album yet, but it looks like it may be a hit. In
the first week of release, it was the most added record in the country.

And for those who can't translate that - it means that more radio 
stations across the country added their song to their playlist than
any other song that week.

cat

    
    I knew it, I knew it.
    
    I know that we local Extreme fans have a hard time seeing the scope
    of this, because they are making a big deal of them here because
    they are the "home boys" but I was wondering about if anyone had
    even heard it outside of New England.
                                        
    Sounds good.
    
    Dilly_who_thinks_all_of_you_who_don't_like_it_are_CRAZY!

    Now come on guys..  Now, this is just a rumor I heard, from a band
    that said they are 'tight' with EXTREME, but I can see how it can
    be true.  I mean, how many of you have gotton to see EXTREME live?
    We all know that their music isn't like the way it sounds.  Well,
    I heard that they got in a fight with A&M over the contract, I don't
    think EXTREME wanted their music produced the way it was!  But what
    A&M wants is the record to SELL!!!  So, of course the record company
    wants the album produced to todays market, and today's market is
    Teeny Boppers!  Look at Poison!  As soon as EXTREME gets an established
    'name' they do what they want, not what the record company wants!   
    This is all heresey.. but that's what I think.. I also think A&M 
    didn't do great quality production IMO on this album either, sounds 
    like it was produced in a garage!  Anyone seen KID EGO on MTV?
    
    CJ

    
    
    MO
    
    I like like three songs on the tape... that are good to listen to.
    But after listening to it once, I said gee this isn't bad, but it
    sounds like poseur music, and I can tell I'm gonna get sick of this
    tape *real* soon.  It prob. won't be a "classic" on my list!!
    
    But I home the dudes make it big and produce an album that has the
    real them on it..
    
    I thought the kids singing and stuff was awful!!!!  rude stuff!!
    
    IMHO
    
    F.

    
    	So has anyone read the article on "Extreme" in the Boston Globe
    	today? Its a good one. The "Kid Ego" video is going to be on
    	Headbangers Ball on MTV tomorrow night. 
    
    	SueJ

    
    They were interviewed on WAAF last night. Played some tunes. Okay,
    so Nuno is good, but he's not incredible.
    
    /prc

       HE ADMITTED IT!
    
    Pete admitted it!!!
    
    I know I know Pete.  Just razzin ya.
    
    Dilly

    Pete, have you heard the album?
    
    He plays this cool classical thing at the end of Rockabye
    or whatever it's called.
    
    Maybe not incredible, but his playing was the one thing that
    really impressed me on the album.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    re .111
    
    I agree, I think it's the ONLY good thing about the album.
    
    /prc

    Stac,
    
    I just picked up their album on disc and I must say it's quite good,
    I enjoyed more than a few tunes on it.  I glad I took your advice.
    
    
    Chris

    
    
    
    	Caught the video on the HBBall Saturday night.  They
    	remind me ALOT of Aerosmith.
    
    	They played the video right after WASP's World Premiere.
    	I didn't think it was too fantastic, but I give them
    	credit for not having a lot of gimmick and hype.
    
    	Tigg~~
    

    
    I went to see New Man Saturday, but taped HBB.
    
    What a good video, nothing flashy or theatrical, but it's just THEM,
    like you said CJ.  I love it (watched it this morning as a matter
    of fact).
    
    When can we call in for Dial MTV?
    Funny that MTV didn't mention them winning Basement Tapes.
    They will, though.
    
    Dilly_who's_gonna_wear_the_tape_out
    

    
    
    Saw the vid. Sat. night too..
    
    I didn't really care for it.  But then again, I don't care for choppy,
    quick flash videos, either..  You couldn't even figure out what
    they were wearing!!
    
    At least, from what I could make out, they didn't look to glamour..
    
    
    IMO
    
    F.

    Francine,  yeah, you got it.
    
    That was the only drawback.  It's like the shots stop and start
    so fast you can't enjoy one thing at a time.
    
    I think that's what they call the "tease effect"
    
    I still love it.  I liked everything else about it.
    I solved the problem, I just watched most of it in slo-mo.
    
    Dilly

the video will be on MTV at 5:00 this whole week.

    Howja find *that* out?
    
    Dilly

    i can only disseminate that information on a "need to know" basis.
    :*)

    Oh yeah, more stuff...
    
    Why are they going to be on all of a sudden?
    
    I mean, *I* love them and would like to see them on all the time,
    but what makes MTV decide *who* is going to get prime rotation time?
    (Besides lined pockets;^))
    
    You know, there are tons of bands on HBB in the same boat, but even
    if they are hard rock and not heavy-offensive-metal, they don't
    get played.  Say, for instance, Bullet boys get played at all times
    of the day (even before they got popular) but other bands, like
    Roughhouse or whatever aren't going to get played.  I can see not
    playing Exodus mid-day, because MTV figures that isn't mainstream
    enough for the average mid-day-ers, so they create HBB, a specialty
    show.
    
    Who decides (before Dial MTV comes into play) that Extreme (of all
    the bands out there) are going to get this rotation?  I would
    think that MTV would *react* to big Dial MTV response, not start
    it up themselves.
    
    I'd hate to think of MTV as a strictly payola organization, though
    I can certainly see that it could be.  For hard rock bands, radio
    plays second in the priorities.  You have apopular video, you're
    stars.  Who needs radio?  (obviously no-one, MEtallica got nom'd
    for the Grammy)
    
    It's hard for us to see the true scope of things because it's local
    news (read: big deal) here.  How does word get out.  Who makes
    these decisions at MTV?  Are the stars of tomorrow "hand picked?"
    
    Dilly

   i think you hit it on the head, Dilly, ( lined pockets )
    but i think they call it "promoting a band". ;*)
                                           
    from what i hear, the Extreme is being "heavily promoted".

    
    
      I'll just bet they are.
     
    Dilly_whose_smarter_than_she_looks

    
    It doesn't matter how good you are at the music.  It all matters
    in the buisness end of the deals.  If you play half-way decent tunes
    and get the right promoter and take the right amount of sh*t, you
    will make it.  Look at Twisted Sister...They were a joke!  Dee Snider
    said one day "Let's dress in drag and make a heavy metal group."
     They did and they made millions because of promotions.  If you
    go by Radio or MTV play you are listening to how well promoters
    can pawn their merchandice.  Sales is what makes the metal bands
    become great,  too bad it can't make the metal great...
    
    The Sentinel

Well, I agree with what you said, but I just wanna mention that Twisted
Sister is a bad example for your arguement. They slugged it out for 10
years in the Long Island and NYC club scene before getting signed, so
they definitely paid their dues....

cat

    
        RE: Sentinel
    
            And another thing - not many groups could pull off
    	    5 (6?) albums with only 'good salesmen' to their
    	    credit ... they've gotta be doin' something right.
    
    	    And yes, I do like them ... they've got some good stuff.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    re Twisted Sister. 
    
    I liked Stay Hungry, but when the next album came out I said "I'm
    not gonna take it!!"  ;^)
    
    re Extreme. 
    
    I think they got a good shot to make it, especially if they are
    harder like cj said they were.
    
    the devil dog with his 2 cents worth 

    EXTREME has entered Billboard at 153!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I looked in two record stores here in Co. Springs and neither had
    this album.  
    
    gh

    If I like it, I'll probably go buy it anyway, since copied tapes
    don't often hold up well.  I don't like buying stuff I've never
    heard...
    
    gh

    Anyone see Gary and Nuno on MTV HBB Saturday, around 2:30 a.m.?
     (actually 3:30?)
    
    I did!  It was great, they had an interview with Adam Curry (does
    that guy ever sleep?  he's always working!)  
    
    Gary and Nuno were on between three songs, of course, one of them
    being Kid Ego.  They talked alot about the Boston Music Scene, and
    Nuno told Adam he always wanted to mess up his hair!  
    
    ahhh!
    
    CJ

Extreme was on WBCN's Raw Power last night - they were broadcast live
from Newbury Sound for the entire hour. Anybody listen to it? How did
it sound?

cat

    re: .137
    
    Yeah, I saw it too.  They seemed pretty together, unlike some of
    the people they do interviews with.  It was really funny for me,
    because Gary looks a LOT like a really good friend of mine from
    Phoenix (his face).
    
    That was the first time I heard "Kid Ego" too.  Not a bad song,
    but I didn't care for the video much, too much cut and paste.
    
    Gh

    
    
    I thought they looked wicked cool.. cause they had a few bands on
    before them, and at least one of the members had a bleached head..
    
    But not extreme..  I thought that was cool..
    
    F.

    If anyone got that one tape or the Raw Power thing, OR knows anyone
    who did,  PLEASE let me know.
    
    I missed them both.
    
    Dilly

    for anybody thats still interested 
    
    
    if anybody is still interested, extreme hit Billboard for the
    weekending 4-15 @120 with a bullet! the "kid ego" vid will be getting
    medium rotation starting ,i think, next week on MTV, and has recently
    been added to the "Night Track" playlist. they will play the Boston
    Music Awards ( a couple of songs ) then head out for 6 weeks with
    Britny Fox (sp), they will then come home and play Boston. For anybody
    in N.Y. on May 3rd, they'll be at the Cat Club. 

    Rumor has it, (from a good source)... 
    
    Extreme, Great Woods, June 3rd?
    
    CeeJ

>    Rumor has it, (from a good source)... 
>    Extreme, Great Woods, June 3rd?

I dunno if this is true or not, but I have sincere doubts that they are
headlining. More likley they are the backup band for some lame-o poseur
band....

cat

    Yo!  Tony, have you let anyone listen to Extreme across the pond??
    
    Did those albums make it across o.k.?
    
    Anyone know how the dudes are doin' on Billboard?
    
    CJ

         
    The albums made it over no-problem.
         
    I haven't listened to the Extreme album much here yet.  I heard 
    it alot with you guys so I don't wanna play it to death and O.D. 
    on it.  I'll let these guys here it when I got the chance.
         
    Its pretty good though - I like the raunchy/bluesy riffs a lot.
    Its a little poppy, but its cool.  
                                       
    -Tony                              
    
    fyi - Blue Murder is getting max airplan on the Dallisondeck at
    the moment - the album is mega.

    
    
    	I saw the video for "Kid Ego" last night I would like
    	 to ask if it is one of their better songs....
    
    	I thought the song was strictly average and there was
    	 nothing about it that would make me buy the tape.
    
    	Anything better?????????????

    
        RE: MB
    
        I heard part of "Play With Me" on the radio, I believe ...
        and I could've sworn it sounded like EVH playing lead guit-
        ar.  What I heard I liked ALOT.
    
                                                       GTI
    

> I thought the song was strictly average and there was
> nothing about it that would make me buy the tape.
    
I thought the same thing. Sorta catchy, but sorta average.

Looks to me like the big 'national breakout' for Extreme isn't gonna
happen, at least not right now. Hell, I don't even hear them played on 
Boston radio, and they're *from* here! I've heard "Kid Ego" maybe once
in the past month, and not one other cut!

Perhaps a big bust, eh?

cat

    
    
    Could be..
    
    But I remember when "Sugar on Me" or whatever by Deaf Leppards came
    out and it came and went..  two months later it came out again..
    and the whole album came out and stayed out!
    
    Or they could just bust.. lots of new bands on the market at this
    particular moment..
    
    F.

    Heard Kid Ego last night on WAAF...
    
    Next album will be better, as I've said.. I think Extreme was allowed
    to produce three of their own songs, and they are the best songs
    on the album, Play with me, is the best I think, and I like Watching,
    Waiting too,..
    
    CJ

    "national breakouts" don't happen overnight. there album was released
    a scant 6 weeks ago! cut the boys some slack. and since when does
    lack of radio play constitute a bust? ( esp. in the hard rock/heavy
    metal genre )
    even with minimal airplay here in Boston, Billboard magazine has
    them at just under 100 on their top 200 album listing.
    they are in medium rotation on MTV and nowadays their isn't a metal
    magazine that you pick up that doesn't at least have an album review
    on them.
    i think it's a little to early to call them a bust. strictly imo.

    I listened to that Extreme LP on Metal Shoppe the other night.
    Im impressed.  I'll buy the CD.  I want to hear more.
    
    jc

    re: .152
    
    No a lack of airplay is not a bust...a little airplay, then no more,
    that's a bust.
    
    gh

    
        I bought the 'Extreme" CD last night ... what cheap bug-
        gers!!  It's recorded in AAD.
    
        Only kidding ... I've only listened to a few songs so
        far - "Kid Ego", "Mutha ...", and "Play With Me".
    
        The "intro solo" on "Mutha ..." is unbelievable ... Nuno
        blows me away with some of his playing.
    
        I'll hafta listen to the rest tonight.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Listen to Watching, Waiting too, if you like slow, HM ballards.
    My three favorites are Kid Ego, Play with me, and Watching,
    waiting..  
    
    Re: intro: sounds like a VH?

    CJ                     
    

    INtro to PLay with me...Beethovan!
    
    The Mutha intro is ok too...I like the A minor arpeggio
    "cricket-induced" whammy bar lick he does the best.

    for anybody interested.....the Extreme is winding down their scheduled
    club tour this weekend with gigs in Los Angeles. Last nite at the
    Roxy, Friday nite in Orange County, Sat nite in Mt. View, and on
    Sunday will film their next video. They will work themselves back
    this way thru Texas, Mississippi, N Carolina, etc., then play another
    N.Y. show.....culminating in a show in Boston probably the second
    week in July, venue unknown. Needless to say, their Great Woods
    gig got cancelled. The album has reached 80 on Billboards top 200.
    

    and....
    
    "Kid Ego" was number 15 on the top 20 countdown last night on MTV!
    
    8-)

    glad to see you guys are watching out for me, I knew I couldn't
    make it to friday with out you guys!  8-)
    
    My last day.. six hours and counting!  
    
    p.s. from a great source, Extreme is doing VERY well on the road!
    ;-)
    

           The Extreme is finishing up their club tour with shows in
           South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania, 
           Lamours in Brooklyn on the 8th of July, New Jersey on the
           9th and will be home on the 10th. They will play a show in
           Boston then head back on the road to do a small theatre tour.

    
    
    	Along with alot of other little tidbits I found interesting,
    	I happened to read that Extreme will be releasing their
    	second song off their self-titled debut album...
    	
    	Little Girls is the name of it, I think....correct me if I'm
    	wrong on the title.
    
    	Tigga~~~

    They were just out in LA recording their new video for Little Girls,
    they're on their trek home.. 8-)
    
    CJ

    
    Here's a gripe that Pete Levine or whoever still hangs out with these
    guys can pass onto the band: 
    
    I've been reading about and seeing Extreme doing interviews a lot of
    late.  You know, it's REALLY getting sickening how much of an act
    they're putting on for the press/general_audience.  I wish they'd just
    be honest about themselves and the band instead of lying.  One thing
    that comes to mind is in a recent interview, they (Nuno and Gary, who
    else?) were asked how the band got together.  They replied, "Well, you
    see we were all kicked out of our other bands at pretty much the same
    time.  We were all hanging out at a local Boston pub, talking about
    music and our influences, so by the nights end we decided to form a
    band".  A band of unwanted renegades is a great concept, and it would
    have been pretty novel if thats they way it went down, but its far from
    what really happened. 
    
    I just wish more rock n rollers would be a tad sincere about themselves
    instead of putting on an act....in time it will really come through as
    to what they're all about.  Their lyrics make them sound hypocritical:
    "Some honesty would serve you better, so why don't you give it a try?"
    -- Kid Ego 
    
    Buck

    Well!  Where to begin!
    
    Flip and I went to the Channel last night to check out Extreme.
    When we got there, (around 7:30), the lines on both sides of the
    building were stretched out almost into the second parking lot.
    I thought they would *never* be able to fit all of us in there,
    and if they did, it was going to be one hell of a sweaty night,
    and it was!  They definately should of had the show at the orpheum.
    The band *In the Pink* opened for Extreme, they started around 8:45
    or so, and played until 9:30, when Extreme's roadies started setting
    up *FLESH'S* (Gary's *the lead singer* brothers band).. Alot of
    people wondered where all the *fancy* equiptment was, but Peter
    had already told me the circumstances over the phone, that "some
    evil person" (quoted by Gary) stole their equipment.  I don't think
    I'm allowed to post the *whole* story, but it was pretty nasty..
    but the show still went on.  They played most of their album, with
    a few covers here and there, and a few of their older songs, along
    with "More than words", an acustical with Nuno and Gary.  The channel
    was packed, I never sweat soo much in my life, now I know what a
    sardine feels like.  But they got a GREAT welcome home.  Philippa
    was much more impressed with them live, than the album, and now
    she knows they really rock.  Their new video for little girls will
    be premired on HBB on Saturday night.  I really wanted Flip to meet
    the guys, and Peter invited us out to "party" with em, but
    unfortunately the guys were tied up (we thought with A&M for the
    equipment problem), and decided to head home around 2:30 because
    I was really tierd, the show had gotton out around 11:30.  Over
    all they played great, they were really pumped to be home, and
    just rocked the Channel!!!
    
    CJ

    Pat, the bassist from Extreme, helped form In The Pink, but blew
    them off to join Extreme, so its not surprising they opened the
    show.
    
    Question:  Did FLESH get their equipment ripped off, or was it
    Extreme?!?  It wasn't really clear in your mail.
    
    Also, Flesh is both Gary the singer and Nuno the guitarist brothers'
    band.  Flesh is Extreme reversed.

    Extreme's equipment wasn't really "ripped" off, I don't think I
    am at liberty to say over open notes when I am not totally sure
    of the situation.
    
    CJ

    It was taken from them in error.
       

* Copied without permission from Kerrang! #250 *


	EXTREME - The Roxy, Hollywood, CA

Rating:  Alive and screaming!

EXTREME INDEED!  Not a band to do anything in a small way, the four
Boston lads have harnessed apparently unlimited energy into an
hour's worth of manic, no-hold's-barred rock'n'roll.  Wearing their
influences proudly on their sleeves, Extreme create their own sound
best described as funky Metal.

Guitarist Nuno Bettencourt is that rare breed of axeman.  He's flashy
only in his playing, never stooping to the cliched moves too often 
associated with HM/HR.  'Big Boys Don't Cry' and 'Wind Me Up', from
Extreme's debut album, were the perfect showcase for his six-string
mayhem.

But versatility is the key word here.  Nuno is equally adept with a 
ballad as well.  'Rock a Bye' is a very powerful song that addresses
the issue of abortion.  Tasteful and controlled, Bettencourt teamed
with singer Gary Cherone to bring a hush over the packed Roxy.  A new
tune, 'More than words', with its John Cougar-ish feel, was a beautiful
love song, combining Nuno's acoustic guitar with awesome vocal 
harmonies.

Cherone made for the most entertaining frontman.  At times he appeared
out of control, leaving some in the crown unsure of what to make of 
his unique style.  But when Gary and the boys (Paul Geary on drums and
Pat Badger on bass) turn up the heat and get nasty, the results are
extreme-ly entertaining!  'Little Girls' and 'Mutha' (both future
singles) brought the show to an explosive close.

With an excellent record in the stores and a live show that blows the
competition away, Extreme should find that the road to the top is a 
short one indeed.

By Troy Augusto

    Question::
    
    At what high school did the group do a video for MUTHA a few years
    back?
    
    Just curious..
    

    I forget, but it was on the north shore, and I remember I couldn't
    make the video shoot cuz it was out of the way.
    
    The North Reading/Andover area gets my forgetful vote.

    
    Re: .175
    
    I think it was Revere High.
    
    
    Paul
    

    I have no idea.. but it wasn't "extreme" that did it, I thought
    it was the "dream"..  and the boys are from Malden, that would
    lead me to believe they would of done it at their own high school?
    
    Just a guess..
    
    CJ

    yeah, that's what I said.. geesh!  8-)
    
    You are talking to the ultimate Extreme fan here Pete!  8-)
    
    CJ

    
    I still have The Dream's first EP.  I think it has 3 or 4 songs,
    "Mutha...." being one of them.
    
    Didn't The Dream used to have a keyboard player and two guitarists?
    
    
    Paul

    >   Didn't The Dream used to have a keyboard player and two guitarists?

    Yup...I remember trying to fit on stage with them at Bunratty's on
    like Tuesday nights!  

    The video was shot at Melrose High School (partially), because Gary's
    uncle is involved with activities up at the high school....and it was
    shot in Gary's (at the time) spacious backyard in Melrose.
    At the time of the shoot they where going with 2 guits ( Hal Lebeaux on
    rhythem and Peter Hunt on lead, with David Rich on keyboards ) 

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    Can anybody tell me if Extreme played at the Living Room last Saturday 
    night August 5th?.....thanks............/karen

    Yep, you missed it!!!
    
    Cindi

    
    What is the name of that song extreme do live (I think it is one
    of their earlier tunes), where Nuno plays acoustic and harmonizes
    with Gary's singing?
    
    Flip

    "More than words..."
    
    CJ

    Has anyone bought Extreme's casingle Little Girls?  If not, you should. 
    It has a killer song on side B "Nice Place to Visit" and you can't find
    that song on their album. Kim

    
    Extreme will be playing at the Living Room on Dec. 9th.
    
              (Pete, I thought you'd be interested in this bit of info)

    
    NEWSFLASH.....  Extreme will be playing at the channel Dec. 14th with
    Flesh opening!!!!!!!!!

    
    Hey Pete,
    
    You gonna hit this show?
    
    Mr. Ed...

    
    I think I'm gonna head up too.
    
    Mr. Ed...

    Me three!

                Someone out  there  asked  me  about a copy of an
                Extreme show simulcast on a radio station about 3
                years ago.  It's  a  crappy  recording  about  90
                minutes long or so, but I lost it.  Just found it
                the other night, so if anybody  wants  a  copy of
                this  crappy  sounding  tape (good tunes though),
                send me a tape.
                
                Address is:
                
                Rob Rothberg
                35 Drew Road
                Derry, NH
                03038-5713
                
                Let me know via mail.
                
                -   Capt.    James  T.    Kirk,  United  Starship
                Enteprise -
                
                

I finally got a copy of Extreme on CD, and I really liked it. "Kid Ego" is 
excelent and I love the last one "Play with me" and also "don't want to go to
school today". The guitar is good. It remains me of Eddie VH a lot. 

Good CD.

If you know them, tell them they got a new fan. 

Didier

    
    	????
    
    	According to the Channel, on Dec. 14th they are having a benefit
    	show, and although Extreme will be playing there in the future,
    	they are not booked for any dates yet.
    
    	????
    
    						Les
    

    
    Oh well, someone told me he had heard this from Flesh.  I guess he
    doesn't know what he's talking about.  Sorry about passing along false
    information. - Kim

    
    	And guess which note THIS discussion got moved to??
    
    	Surprise, surprise!!
    
    							GTI
    

                Re: .192 CHIPS::PERTAG
                
                FWIW, Extreme is at The Channel on December 16th.
                Heard it on WAAF on the way home from work today.
                
                - Rob -
                
                Nothing about the backup band mentioned though...
                
                

    
    A friend of mine and I were discussing local bands done good and
    Extreme came up in the conversation.  Can someone provide me
    a little back ground on them?  IE:  How did they get started?
    How they got their record deal?  Did they send material out?   Did
    they have and inside contract or did someone see them in a local
    club??  We are just trying to figure out how local bands make it big.
    
    Thanks
    TCR1

    Which reminds me...
    I just listened to Extreme's tape again today, it's been a few
    months.
    These guys are good!!
    
    I'd totally trash Rockabye, and that "eat your body" nonsense,
    but the rest is fun!
    
    /Motorbreath...nice VH guitar sound too

    
       EXTREME is playing Christmas night at the Living Room!!!  

    
    	Definitly???
    
    BK
    

    
    Definately, I called yesterday.  Then I flew to Strawberries last
    night.  Strawberries in Framingham has no more tickets.  But, they are
    not sold out.  

    How do you get to this place ??
    
    jc

    .210-
    
    They can keep 'em.

    IS EXTREME STILL PALYIN THIS WEEKEND?
    do you need tixs??
    
    		wendy o'
    
    

    yea but does anyone know if you'll need tix or not??
    or is everyone just gunna cruise on down?
    i just dont wanna go down and find out they wont let anymore in.
    is this an 18+??  or 21 +?
    
    		wendy o'
    
    

    It's 21+ BUMMER!!!  And, last night Strawberries still has tickets.

    Wait a minute here, the show at the living room last week was 18+
    with wristbands.  Isn't it being held at the living room?
    
    Peter?
    
    CJ

    The show this Sat. is at the channel, the show Christmas night is at
    the Living Room.

    Well, I won't be there this Saturday (would be nice, I miss my family)
    but I will be there for christmas! 
    
    Thanks Kim!
    
    Too bad Extreme won't be touring around SC..
    
    CJ

    Yah, I'll definately be there for Christmas but, not this saturday.  I
    only have 234 days left!!! *sigh* I can't wait till I'm 21!!!

    
    	As far as I know the Channel show...(this weekend) is NOT sold
    out... Tickettron has tix left.   21+...(Yar I agree with ya Kim..can't
    wait till the big 2 1...when's your b_day?)
    
    BK
    

    I can't believe Extreme would have their welcome-home show
    at a 21+ place!!! That must royally pis* off a major amount
    of their fans, since at least half of them from this area
    are kids.
    
    Oh well... 
    oh Brian, get that mathematical brain of yours heated up dude, she
    told you how many more days it was.
    
    /Motorbreath...feeling old in comparison...well, numerically old
    anyway.

    
    	RE Mike...
    
    		Yea she did...but is that working days...or does that
    include weekends...and include the b_day..or no b_day..and is it
    XXX number from today..the 14th..or tomorrow the 15th...???
    
    	See..it would be easier for her to just tell us...and BTW Extreme
    did an all ages..or was it 18+ at the living room ....on the 9th..
    
    BK
    

    SO, the living room show on Christmas is all ages right?  
    
    CJ, who is 20 years, 5 months, 3 weeks, and 6 days old.
    

    
    
    re. 221 JULY 25th!!!  It's so far away!!!  Sometimes the Channel really
    pisses me off!!!  Will I ever survive the next 7 months?!?!?  I doubt
    it! - *sigh*

    Exterme is playing an ALL AGES show this SUnday nite at Leominster
    High School.  Tix are $10.00 at the door & show starts at 8:30.

    Anyone that planned to go to the Extreme show last night and didn't
    make it.   tsk tsk tsk!!!
    
    They are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!  There were 75-100 people there very
    intimate show.  I now understand why CJ and others like them so much.
    Their stage show with the lights and all is great! Their stage presence
    it great!!!  The lead singer (Gary??) really knows how to play a crowd.
    They played for an hour and 15 minutes.  The sound was really really
    good for a high school audiotorium.
    
    They will be playing an all ages show at the Channel Saturday the 23rd
    at 1:00 admission is free if you bring a can of food.
    
    Nuno did a solo....The man is incredible!!!
    
    Extreme is now on TCR1 and the Ticketwench's top list of band's to
    follow right next to Farrenheit.  We are just bummed we didn't make
    the effort to see them sooner!
    
    TCR1

    That is why Flip and I suggested that you see them live, they are a
    totally different band, glad you enjoyed them.  Their great, IMO.
    
    Anyone going christmas night?  What time is the all ages show at the
    Channel that Saturday, Boston will be a mad house the saturday before
    christmas!
    
    CJ

    
    BTW>>>They have a new album coming out soon, they didn't say when
    though.  Nuno and Gary did an acoustic song off it.  It was wonderful.
    
    
    Renee

    Peter told me that they are going to be working on it soon, can't wait.
    They won't be "touring" until after the album though.. ;-(
    
    CJ

    
    	The channel show was awesome, i wasnt gunna go, i'm glad i did..
    The singer from warrant was there and some others were there....
    and also some people from warner..
    did you see those four guys fighting??
    i thought for sure when he asked if everyone was guuna chill that
    would have been the end to it all, about 20 min later 4 guys 
    started fighting..
    
    
    	wendy o'
    
    

    
    I never liked any of they're tunes until I saw them live!  Whew! 
    FANTASTIC...even though I almost passed out from the heat...get your
    sweaty body off me!!!!
    
    They put on an amazing show with lots of power and energy!!!  BTW Peter
    and CJ, thanks for getting me in!!!
    
    Flip

    
    Well, I went and saw Extreme twice this weekend.  Once on Sat.  and
    then on Christmas night.  Both shows were f*ckin great!!  I was wicked
    physced <--(is this right motorbreath?) that they played some old
    material which hasn't been heard in a while like President, and
    Monster!!  They said they are not going to be around for a while cuz
    they're gonna start work on their SECOND ALBUM!!  Yah, I have a feeling
    it's gonna all old material.  Like words, and stuff.  Anyway just
    thought I'd fill you in.  See yah Kim

    
    I've been listening to the first album (Thanks Ticketwench) and
    can't believe how different it sounds from them live. The album
    sounds over produced and toned down. Their live versions of EVERY
    song is much better!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Rae who is bummed to hear they won't be around. 8^(

    
    yah, same thing.

    Word has it that Extreme is playing in Boston somewhere
    on Sunday night.  Does anybody have any details on this?
    
    Thanks
    
    TicketWench

    
    	Reprinted from Metal Edge without permission
    
    
    	Extreme's Nuno Bettencourt wrote to thank us for featuring
    	his brother Paul's band Fles in the Feb. issue and to report
    	that several lavels are now interested in the band.
    
    	Meanwhile, Extreme is busy working on LP #2, "Pornograffiti",
    	the tunes on which Nuno describes as "heavier and raunchier
    	than our first."
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    	RE: Fles should be Flesh
    	(typing too fast for my own good)  (;
    
    	Tigga~~~~

    
    
    Extreme is playing this Sunday 2/25th at the Living room.

    
    
    	Extreme will be tomorrow's guest on the TV show "Rap Around".
    The show is a teen-oriented talk show.  I believe it starts at noon.
    
    
    Paul

    Isn't that on either 4,5, 0r 7 right after cartoons?? - Kim

    
    
    	I THINK THINK THINK it's 4 but don't quote me.  I don't
    	wanna get shot if I'm wrong. (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    
    	I knew I forgot to add something.... channel 4.
    
    
    Paul

    
    
    Well, I finally got my hands on the new Extreme demo.  It's awesome if
    your an Extreme fanatic.  There are 3 new songs on the tape and a Frank
    Sinatra cover (which is stupid) JMHO.  But, the three new songs are
    cool "Dance" "If you don't like what you see get the FUNK out" and
    another tune I'm not sure of the name.  Then they've got "Money,
    Monster, Pornagraffitti, He-Man, Words, Song for Love, Suzy, I think
    that's it.  My demo doesn't have the list of songs or anything so, I'm
    just writing this by memory.  But, this tape is great!!  Also, some
    FANTASTIC guitar work from Nuno.  Not sure when this tape is suppose to
    be out hopefully before the end of the summer. - Kim

    
    President is also on the Extreme demo.

Kim

Which Sinatra song do they cover?

alan
_a_big_Sinatra_fan_

    RE: Alan
    
    Not offhand let me listen to it tonight and see if I can get a name for
    you. - Kim

    Extreme question here:
    
    I asw them play at the Boston Garden for that BCN Club NIght thing over
    a year ago...they closed the set with this killer ballard...anyone:
    
    o KNow the name of this song
    o Know if it;'s on the new lp?
    
    Buck, who was bummed that song wasn't on the first Extreme lp!

    
    
    Buck there are two killer ballards that are on the new demo I have. 
    And it's fairly old material.
    
    One song is called "Song for Love" and the other one which is better
    IMO is "Words".
    
    I'm positive it's one of those and you'll hear them both on the new lp.

    BALLADS!!!
    

    
    	Thanks, /Motor,  it gets annoying after a while!!
    
    
    Steve

                I really  know  nothing about Extreme since their
                first album (I did see them about 20 times before
                the album though) and  the  only  ballad I recall
                was Rock a bye baby,  but  as  for  not  being on
                their first album, got me...
                
                - Merlin -
                gi

    The "Sinatra" ballad that was referred to earlier is actually
    an original Extreme song. Penned by Gary about 10 months a go.
    The album is sorta "conceptual" , so when you hear it in
    it's entirety, it might fit better.
    "More than words" is the ballad & "Song for love", i guess, could
    be called a "power" ballad, will also be on the album.
    They are off to LA today to record the video for the first single,
    "Decadent Dance".
    Peter

    Thanks everyone...the song I was looking for was Song for Love!
    It's an awesome tune, and I'll buy the 2nd lp just for it!
    
    B.

    
    Does anyone know when Extreme will start playing out again??
    
    Rae

    The album is due out ( in the US ) on Aug 7th, with them hitting
    the road about 3 weeks later. They want to do a couple of shows
    before they head out and will probably do that under 
    an assumed name in a small club.
    Peter

    
    Be sure to keep us posted on where, when and the assumed name?
    
    Rae

    
    Mucho thank you.  It has been awhile since I've seen a good rock-n-roll
    show!
    
    Rae

    Ok kiddies...better hit NEXT UNSEEN now, cuz here I go again...
    
    
    The DJ at CITI last night played the new Extreme single, Decadence
    Dance.  My reaction?  More radio-oriented, substance-less, sappy
    pop rock for the masses!  This thing was SO over produced, with the
    9-million-people-singing background vocals and the BIG reverbs
    everywhere.  This tune was totally forgettable for me...the only thing
    I remembered was it sounded like Nuno is using a new amp setup, and
    those sappy background vocals cluttering up the mix.  Is this the
    future of metal?  If it is, I'll switch to rap...it's much more
    inventive and fresh!
    
    I'm sure I'll love hearing this one on the radio every 2 minutes!
    B.

      Oh Great! I bought the Extreme CD after reading this topic and
    was actually fairly pleased with it! Now I hear they're going 
    processed pop - YUK! 
      Ya know Buck, I know you immensely dislike Gary Richrath and I
    can see why, mainly because he (w/REO) took the money route and
    became a millionaire playing sappy ballads. I much preferedd his
    earlier playing. I remember playing the sh*t out of Golden Country.
    His guitar playing really never evolved into much over the term
    of REO Speedwagon, he became more like just another member of the
    band and not the flash guitar type from the bands early days.
      What amp did Nuno use (or still use)? I should have read my 
    CD liner, huh?
    						-boom-

    Boom,
    
    I've not heard Richrath out of the REO space.  Yeah, the sappy ballards
    were pretty tough on some of us listeners!  ;^)
    
    Nuno uses a 100wt Marshall (2210) and a 100wt Laney AOR in the studio
    (the M-word is on the left in the mix, the Laney on the right).  Both
    amps are stock, with the exception of Groove Tubes.

    Re: 469.262 
    
    I've heard the new album and *I* wouldn't call it "processed pop".
    If you enjoyed the first album, guaranteed, you will like the second.
    Peter

    
    According to an interview with Gary & Nuno, Extreme doesn't consider
    themselves as a metal band.
    

    cos they ain't !

    
    Extreme is FUNKY Metal.
    
    Anyway, they'll be playing July 18th, that's next Wed. at Axis with
    Flesh.
    
    - Kim 
    

    WTF is FUNKY metal?
    
    Buck, whos sez 'obvisouly a bogus term me thinks'

    
    Buck, take a laxative will yah.  I'm just quoting Extreme in a sense.
    FUNKY metal is how they perceive themselves.  Haven't you ever heard
    their song FUNKY metal??  Probably not.  It's quite obvious you
    don't like Extreme.  
    
    FWIW - "Those few measley grooves" as you'd like to call them got
    them signed.
    
    Kim, whos sez 'me is a Extreme fanatic'

    Dear Kim,
    
    It's not fair to say "*I* don't LIKE Extreme"...
    
    I think they're ok...and most of their songs I like, BUT...*I* 
    wouldn't call them FUNKY METAL, dats all.  I really don't think
    there is much to their music that really is funky!  I mean, they
    seem to write with a lot of syncopation in their music, which is
    cool, but to me, listen to Prince if you wanna hear "funky metal".
    I would call Extreme a metal band...I think they fall quite nicely
    into the HM genre if you ask me.  I mean, to me, the Black Crowes
    DON'T fall into the HM genre...see the difference?
    
    Buck, who really doesn't HATE Extreme!

    
	RE: .260 (?)
    	>those sappy background vocals cluttering up the mix.  Is this the
	>future of metal?  If it is, I'll switch to rap...it's much more
    	>inventive and fresh!
    
    	RE: .271
    	>I would call Extreme a metal band...I think they fall quite nicely
    	>into the HM genre if you ask me.  I mean, to me, the Black Crowes
    	>DON'T fall into the HM genre...see the difference?
    
    	I don't understand.  When you say that you'll switch to rap if
    	that's the future of metal, do you mean because of that one song?  
    	Yet Extreme DOES fall into metal?  me confused.
    	)8
    
    	tigga~~~
    
    	

    
    
    So, Bill yah gonna go see Extreme next Thursday????
    
    *I* still consider then Funky Metal.  I always thought that you
    didn't like them.  Sorry, I put my foot in my mouth on that one.
    
    - Kim

    Kim,
    
    Yeah, I'll be there next Wed. at Axis to check out Extreme and Flesh!
    
    >those grooves got them signed
    
    I seriously believe far more than Extreme's music got them "signed".
    NO young artist(s) are signed by companies these days solely on
    their music/musical abilities!  So many apects regarding image, 
    sellability/marketability come into factor.  You can have the best 
    tunz in the world...if you don't have an image/niche carved out for
    yourself...hey, the record co. surely ain't going to create one for
    you...it's not their job, and they have better things to do with their
    time than create styles for imageless musical individuals.  Ask any
    A&R rep., they'll tell you the same.
    
    RE: Tigga
    
    What I was trying to say was...
    
    When I heard the title "Decadence Dance"...along with Extreme touting
    themselves as 'funky metal', I expected a quasi-heavy dance hit to be
    heard.  What I heard was more along the Leppard lines of commerciality.
    No better or worse I guess, it's just that I would have preferred a
    b!tch!n dance groove as opposed to Queen_mega_vocal approach.  Maybe
    it's still early to see just exactlly what niche Extreme is trying to
    carve for themselves in the music world...I'll hold further comments
    until I've heard the whole (new) album.
    
    

>    NO young artist(s) are signed by companies these days solely on
>    their music/musical abilities!  So many apects regarding image, 
>    sellability/marketability come into factor.  You can have the best 
>    tunz in the world...if you don't have an image/niche carved out for
>    yourself...hey, the record co. surely ain't going to create one for
    
    Is this why Satriani had to record his first album with his credit
    card?  Is Satch an example of "letting the Public decide what they
    like"?
    
    Curious_Mike

    
    	RE: .274
    
    	Ah.. otay.  I comperstand now.
    	(8
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    
    Bill, can you please direct me to the nearest A&R rep????  Be real,
    I know it's takes more than a few cool tunes to get someone signed.
    Anyways, I got the new demo and it's great.  I hope they play all
    their new stuff Wed. - Kim

    According to -good- sources, the Extreme is NOT playing at Axis
    next week. 
    Peter

    
    
    I heard this from two different people.  But, who knows rumors are
    rumors. Sorry for any misinformation. - Kim

    Buck, not always the case... look at Tesla.
    They got signed on the merit of a few good tunes.
    
    /Motorbreath...sure as hell wasn't cuz Keith's got posterboy looks

    If you put out yer own record and go to a record company
    Lookee here we sold 20,000 of these things with an investment of 
    this much, dig the profit man...
    you'll get signed. Prove the profitability of your product ( record )
    and you'll get a distributor that wants in on the profit,
    
    it's that simple. 
    
    Money and Profit talk, Bulldoodoo sits around complaining about
    image and looks. 
    
    Business iz Business

    I disagree ther Toe...taint dat simple.
    
    One of the things I think that helped Extreme was they took their show
    out on the road by themselves...proving to the record comp. they were
    willing to do the legwork needed to get their name and reputation
    around without the rec. co. having to do it for them!  They like to see
    incentive like that.

    Well, I', not too sure it's that different. A road show to the record
    companies constitute a promotion, as they say in Support the Record.
    If you're gonna sell records to prove profitability you have to promote
    it or no-one will buy it, or the sales won't be as good without the
    promotion. It's therefore not so much incentive to be signed but a form
    of advertizing for a current product, and later products by building an
    audience. People like the Dead who tour forever like giving shows for
    thier fans. But I still think a good show is the best ad for a record.
    
    But i wonder, if you can sell records and do good shows, why do need to
    get a record company at all? Maybe to make a big killing, but I'd
    rather keep the record and rights myself and only contract for
    manufacture and distribution. This to keep my profits. Why should I
    give any profit to people who could not care less 'bout me except for
    the profit I can give them? A band like 2LiveCrew who own thier own
    company will make alot more from a small distribution than Extreme,
    who are basicly a product line of whoever signed them.
     Musicians for years have been ripped-off by big business and only by
    taking control of the business themselves can they protect themselves.
     Of course I could be wrong,  what do I know, just some thoughts...
     

    Bottom line on why you need a label ( in Extreme's case A&M ) is
    that they have the MONEY. To produce it, distribute it, promote
    it. The only way for a rock band like Extreme to "make it" is to
    hit the road. The label provides the cash for bands to *successfully*
    tour. Again in the Extremes case, they toured for almost *2 months*
    straight late last summer, they would NEVER have been able to afford
    that tour on their own. They had a VERY comfortable tour bus, a
    driver, i think it was 6 roadies, meal money, they stayed at good
    hotels....that takes plenty of cash. A >good< part of Extremes success
    is their live performances, without the tour support from A&M it
    would've been impossible to promote their "product".

> The label provides the cash for bands to *successfully* tour. 

> without the tour support from A&M it would've been impossible to promote 
> their "product".

Well, keep in mind that A&M isn't 'giving' the band anything. That money is 
loaned to the band, and is paid back from future royalties. Same goes for 
recording costs - the artist pays all these expenses in the long run....

Alan S.

    and if they don't make it back in royalties ?
    Do they still have to pay? I should think so... but don't know.

    469.286 - true
    469.287 - 
             I am under the impression that they would simply be dropped
             by the label if ( in the Extremes' case they had a 2 record
                                       deal ) 
             they where not satisfied with their "product" after their
             contract expired.
    Peter

    I'll take any offers that I get, I'm a music slut! 
    But I would tend to avoid luxury if I couldn't pay for it up front.
    I think alot of big bands ( VH for ex. ) own thier own company so they
    might even own the buses, trucks and all.
     
    Maybe we should start a note on how bands have a chance and blow it by
    letting other people handle thier businesss, Boston for example.
    They lost alot of money to a crooked accountant, and now Billy Joel,
    but who cares about him around here. 

    RE-01
    From what i understand, and i am by no means an expert on this subject,
    it is much more difficult to "make it" being signed by an independent.
    Their have been bands that have fared well, but the majority just
    don't have the financial resources to compete in the big leagues.
    Peter

    Ah yes Alan...recoupables...
    
    Anything a band does (Videos, tours, t-shirts, albums, etc.) are 
    fronted finanically by the record co, and the cost is put into  what
    the ycall recoupables.  The tours are to help sell the album  and pay
    back the recoupables.  The band makes NO MONEY until all recoupables
    are paid for.  When Def Lep released Hysteria, they had recoupoables in
    excess of 4 Million dollars!!!  Needless to  say, when they sell 10
    million albums in the US, they made a penny off that lp!  From what I
    read, Extreme's 1st lp only sold like 300,000 copies...not a whole lot
    for a band...I mean, 300,000 probably just  paid for their recoupables!
    (if not leavuing them in the hole a bit, they did have some fancy
    

    Ooops...
    
    That last one should say "they did have some fancy videos there"
    
    B.

    
    Re a few back
    
    Toe:
    
    what about bands that are "put together" by record companies!!  
    
    Obviously they are put together for how they look together and money
    making reasons related..
    
    F.

    "Extreme 2: Pornograffiti" will be released tomorrow ( Tues 
    08-07 ). The C.D. & tape formats have some neat pictures as 
    well as an extra tune ( Hole Hearted ). I don't know if 
    tomorrow will be the world wide release date, sorry Flip. :*)
    They have an "in store" at Strawberries in Medford ( Wellington
    circle ) on Wed 08-08 in the afternoon. The video for their
    first single ( Decadence Dance ) was premiered on MTV last Sat 
    nite. They had a record release party in Hollywood last week at
    a club called Spices. They played 4 songs with Sebastion Bach
    helping out with the chorus on "Get the funk out". 
    They plan on playing out in early Sept, with an Orpheum ( in
    Boston ) show sometime late this year.
    Peter
    

    Oh yeah I should have mentioned this before (but I forgot about it,
    understandably...), but I heard that song "Decadence Dance" on the
    radio when I was in the greater Boston area a few weeks ago and I
    thought it was totally forgettable (I even forgot to comment on it).
    
    gh

    
    
    	RE: last two
    
    	I've heard it a couple of times and every time I do (oh
    	pardon me a thousand times religious Extreme fans for saying
    	this) but it reminds me of Kiss.
    
    	tigga~~~~

    Huh...I think Gary sounds a lot like Ozzy IMHO.

    re-299
    >"It reminded me of pabulum"
    
    pabulum - A usu. soft food.
    
    "Decedance dance" reminded you soft food??   ;^)
    Peter

    Actually, there are two definations in my dictionary...
    
    1) A substance that gives nourishment; food.
    2) Insipid intellectual nourishment
    
    I was referring to number two...
    
    gh

It is kinda "popish" but I still think Nuno WAILS !  ...And has a killer tone.

jc (Who bought the CD last night...After all CJ *is* Extremes biggest fan)

    Well, gh, this reply should give you something to sink your teeth into!
    
    
    
    If you've done a comparison in the What's Hot With You This Week topic,
    you'd find that gh's replies and mine are very similer, well...
    
    I bought the new Extreme CD yesterday -- Pornograffiti, and lemme tell
    ya, what I originally thought was pretty mindless trash is rapidly
    growing on me!!!!!
    
    I'm even starting to PLAY like Pizzeria Nuno (as he's affectionately
    called in guitarists circles!)!!!  Well gh, whadaya think about that?
    
    Buck, coping those Pizzeria Nuno licks

> Well gh, whadaya think about that?
    
    I think I must have some shopping to do...
    
    8^)

    Buck, what is your honest opinion of Nuno's playing...
    as a well-educated, talented guitarist.
    
    /Motorbreath...who's always curious about that, since what sounds
    cool to me is often considered cheesy by learned guitarists.

I love the way Nuno plays.  I think Extreme is a kick butt band that
needs to learn how to write more meaningful lyrics.  Hopscotch and
polywog and Mutha ain't gonna fly on the market.  I want their next
album to go platnum.  To do so, they gotta write some metal
ballads...IMHO.

jc

    Yo, 'Breath...
    
    Nuno has chops.  I think I like his playing on this album more...it
    showcases more of his own personality.  I thought the last album had
    too much of a Van Halen influence, and I *hate* guitarists who sound
    like VH!!!  I thought the solo at the end of Rock a Bye on the last
    album s*cked, but that's MHO...as i said his playing is much more
    appealing to me on the new album...I think the touring did him a lot
    of good.
    
    I agree with Coop...the lyrics have gotta go!  They sound like a
    collection of rhetorical cliche's to moi.  
    
    I think Song for Love should do well for them on the radio.

    Thanks Buck!
    	I'm always wondering who guitarists think are good guitarists,
    how they compare themselves to them, etc. 
    Since I'm illiterate on such things..
    
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    I think their new album kicks butt, but then again these songs are all
    old to me.  I was talking to Paul Geary (drummer) this weekend and he
    said Extreme would be doing the Orpheum thin in October with possibly
    2 dates, no news on who will be headling.
    
    -kr

    
    
    RE: prc - True
    
    When I saw him sunday it took a few to figure out who the heck he was,
    probably cuz I never see his face.
    
    -kr

The only time I ever saw an Extreme video, the first thing I noticed
is that they never really show ANYONE for more than a flash of a 
second...  Fast moving vids.

jc (Who'd like to slow that camera down and zoom in on Nunos fret board!)

I bet it has more to do with the producer and record company
than with the band...But I may be wrong.

??

    
    I find extreme's new video irritating as I do all videos that flash
    real quick like that.  I like to focus in on something not have
    the strob light effect.  I like the song but when the vid comes 
    on I change the channel.
    
    Renee

I think some slo-mo would be nice where Nuno is concerned.

;)

    
    
    Is it on regularly like the daily countdown??  I'm dying to see it.
    
    -kr

    
    
    I caught it saturday night on Headbanger's ball.  Don't know if
    it is on the countdown yet or anything.
    
    Renee

    
    Got my tickets for oct 5th...Anyone know the layout of seats
    at the Orphium???  These are Orchestra level???
    
    Renee

    Well, I've Had Extreme II, Pornografitti for a while now, and I
    have a few comments:
    
    o What a stupid album title!
    o The arrangements of 80% of thee songs bug me
    o Pizzaria Nuno has a much better guitar sound
    o They should get a new lead vocalist

    I thought you really liked the new album?
    
    /Motorbreath...referring to a reply in which you were kinda
    suggesting the album to Greg House

    
    Pornograffitti will be released in the UK through A&M on September 3rd.
    
    
    Flip

    I heard/saw the newvid for "Dancing In Decadence (?)" yesterday ...
    GOOD TUNE !  I might give this one a chance .... maybe
    
    Scary (death to Kid Ego ...)

    
    
    Yesterday on MTV Decadence Dance was the Smash or Trash Video.
    Anyone know if it got Smashed or Trashed??  I didn't wait around
    for the results.
    
    Renee

    
    phhhhhhhhhhhft.

    
    
    	I thought it got Smashed.. something like 68%

    Figures ... I liked it !
    
    Scary ...

    
    What did other's that attended Friday nights show at the Orpheum
    think??
    
    IMO...they are going no place fast unless they polish up thier show.
    Gary talks WAY to much and they take an awful lot of time between 
    songs.  Also, Gary leaves the stage way too much.  They are a fun
    band to watch etc but can't see them hitting the big time until
    they clean up their act a bit.
    
    Renee

    I too was also at the Extreme show Friday nite ( Renee - I thought I
    saw you there... 8^) ). I enjoyed the show.. I thought they sounded
    good. There are some things they could polish things up on that Renee 
    mentioned. I thought that Gary was too much of a center piece for
    the band. I also think he was still under the weather thus the reason
    for leaving the stage alot. They played basically the whole
    new album very well. Only a couple from the first album. I was more 
    disappointed that they DID NOT play Mutha or Big Boys.  Still I am
    looking forward to seeing them in the very near future. 
    
    As for the Orphium's security - felt like I was getting ready to be put
    into lock up. Never been searched so heavily before. 
     

    First off...Calling Peter Levine...
    
    Duuuude, would you do me a big favor?  Would you get me a list from
    Nuno of his entire equipment setup???  Why?  I think Nuno's guitar
    sound is the BALLS!!!  I'd really like to know what he is using
    now...it sounds way different (better) than when he was using the ME-5
    and the Marshall 2210...I know it's gotta be some new setup for him!
    
    Now, onto the show.  I, too, am looking forward to their return
    appearance to Boston sometime in the near future.  I think this band
    really shines LIVE.  Their albums tend to sound a bit lackluster,
    to ME, anyways, but I always get psyched when I see this band live!
                                                                        
    I didn't like the fact they mainly played the new album...I second
    Wayne's comments about the abscence of Big Boys and Mutha.  i would
    have liked to have heard more of the 1st lp (esp. that exerpt from
    Play With Me...whada teaser!!).  The vocals were really good.  I
    thought Nuno could have been louder in the mix (he was kinda drowned
    out from where WE were sitting, which was on the far right side of the
    stage).  I thought the pacing of the set was a little weird.  I think
    Decadence Dance would have been a better opening tune myself!
    
    All in all they were godo though, and am looking forward to seeing them
    again.
    
    Buck

    
       Went down to see them Fri. too. But I couldn't get in!!! Way to 
    hard to find scalped tickets with two cops standing next to you. :^(
    Ended up in Fanual(spelling???) Hall for the night. Came back and heard
    Dec Dance(tm). Sounded the nuts!!! Really bummed I didn't get in. :^(
    
       What did they open with???
    
    							R.C.
                    

    re -1 
    
    The opened with IT ( its a Monster )... 
    
    Another thing Etreme needs to do -- get a better opening band!!!
    I thought we might be in luck when the mentioned that Alice in Chains
    was from Seattle Washington ( like Queensryche ) but I did not like 
    them at all. Blah.
    

    What's the deal with so many bands having "Alice" somewhere in their
    name anyway?
    
    ?

	
	I thought that the concert was very good. Especially since I got my
	tickets very late, and to my surprise the seats were on the floor in the
	third row....  I think that Gary did a great job, he sounded good, he 
	was very active, and how about him climbing and jumping between 
	balconies.  Let's face it folks Nuno is a god.  Nuno did a great job 
        especially with the 'Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee'.  Pat and Paul 
	were 'there' and they played pretty well.  I think that Alice in Chains
	suc*ed.  The drummer and the bass player were good, but I couldn't 
	hear the lead guitarist or the lead singer (except 'if you think I am 
	queer, then go fu** a steer').  I think Extreme put on a great show, 
	and I had a good time (except for being frisked  "what are those",
	"They're keys! why what do they look like?").  I wish Extreme played 
	more from their first tape though...



							-Slash

    Flight of the wounded bumble was done with a delay unit....the concert
    proved my theory.

Sure Buck, i can do that. They'll be home in 2 weeks so i'll get it
    then.
    About not playing "Mutha".....they have been playing Mutha for 5
    years as the "Extreme", Gary & Paul were doing a lamer version for
    3 years prior to that in the "Dream".....they are flat out bored
    to death with "Mutha" & feel that they have more substantial music
    to offer than "Mutha don't wanna go to school today...."
    
    They had no say in who opened for them. I'm sure Flesh would have
    opened if the choice was theirs.
    "Alice in Chains" is for sure an acquired taste. I had the "pleasure"
    of seeing them open all last week for the Extreme down South, and
    they kinda grow on ya.
    
    Peter

    -1
    
    Thanx a million Pete!
    
    I read the latest interview with Nuno in Guitar World, and all he said
    was "I'm using an ADA MP-1 with a little eq"
    
    Yeah?  What KIND of EQ?  What kind of effects?   Power amps?  Speakers?
    C'mon Nuno, enquring minds wanna know!!  ;^)
    
    Also, Nuno has been using Bill Lawrence L-500 pickups in his lead
    (bridge) position dor a while now, but I read that the new Washburn
    "N4" model guitar will have Seymour Duncan pickups in it?!?  Pete,
    can you veriufy as to what pickups Nuno is currently using as well?
    
    thanx Thanx THANX!
    Buck

    Yo, Pete,
    
    Nutha question.  About the name "Extreme"...I mean, phonetically,
    it just happends to be "Ex-Dream"...is that just a coincidence, or
    is there some validity to the above reference?
    
    Buck, whos ALWASY wanted to nkow about this!

    Gary was bullsh*t when they sold the name. He vehemently opposed
    it. I guess to placate him they came up with the nearest sounding
    name. The drummer ( Paul Geary ) has the license plate "EX-DREAM"
    on his vet.
    
    "Racism sux" - cool.
    Nuno's gonna wear those pants in the next video.
    
    Peter

>Nuno's gonna wear those pants in the next video.
 
    What's the next Video going to be?  Get the Funk Out?  (or do trhey
    already have one for this??  I've only seen the D.D. vid!)  If they
    already have a video for "funk", I would bet the next single to be
    realeased would be Song For Love (with More Than Words coming in a
    close second, but that's not really a BAND tune)...
    
    B.   

The next singles gonna be "Get the funk out"....they're hopin that'll
    bust them out. D.D. is the only vid so far. 
    The vid for D.D. was good but i thought they could do MUCH better.
    They're looking for a director witha non hard rock background.
    
    What did ya think of the encore?
    I would rather have Get the funk out or Funky music end the show
    rather than Song for love. Sorta anti climatic?
    Peter

    No, no I think Song for Love is an AWESOME ending tune.  It is well
    paced, strong, and emotional (and catchy, too!).  The quasi-spiritual
    ending with the lights dimming thru the fog against the organ music was
    neat!  My b*tych was the opening tune.  I thought D.D. would have been
    much mure kick a$$ tune than It('s a monster).  Esp. since they used
    that opening piece (???  A funked up fairy tale?) as the show opener.
    It was a buzz killer when they DIDN'T go into D.D. (I thought).

   
    I see whatcha mean with D.D. but i would think that D.D., being their
    single, that maybe they might want to build some momentum first before
    layin the radio hit on the crowd. ( that is JMO )
    
    The reason i asked about the encore was that i thought people might
    think that S.for L. was a buzz killer after being pumped with "Play
    that funky music". I personally don't care where they put Song...as
    long as it is in the set.  :*)
    I'd also like to see "Watching & waiting" added.
    
    That is a killer ending though, with the lights, smoke, Nuno.
    
    Peter

    Hey, 350 replies!!!
    
    Here are some Nuno ditties for you guitar pickin dudes:
    
    D.D. Riff:  	/ = whole step bend	~ = slide
    
    e---------------------------------------------------------------------
    b---------------------------------------------------------------------
    g-4/-4--2--2------------2---2--2-------4~6--2---2--2-----------2--2---
    d-------2--2-------4~5--2---2--2------------2---2--2-------4~5-2--2---
    a-------o--o--4-o-4-----o---o--o--4-o-4-----o---o--o--4-o-4----o--o---
    e---------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    More Than Words:	x's = right hand slap on strings
    
        G    G/B    Cadd9         A-7             C  add9 D  Dsus4	
    e---3-----3-----3------3--o-----o-----3--o----o--o----3--4------------
    b---3-x---3-x---3-x----3--3-x---1-x---3--3-x--1--3-x--3--3-x----------
    g---o-x---o-x---o-x----o--o-x---o-x---o--o-x--o--o-x--2--2-x----------
    d-----x-----x-----x---------x-----x--------x-------x--o----x----------
    a--------2------3----3--------o-----o---------3-----------------------
    e-3-------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Buck

                Well Buck, I tried that when I got home today, but it
                just didn't sound right.  What kind of drumsticks
                should I use?

                :')

    
    Buck, isn't Nuno tuning his guitar down to D a'la Mick Marrs ?

    RE -1
    
    Forgot to mention...no, he's not in "D" ala Mick Mars, but he is in
    "Eb" (down a half-step from concert, ala Van Headache).
    
    Buck, whos been playing in Eb for a while now, and just forgot about
    it!

    
    He definatly tunes down to 'D' for a couple of tracks on the album,
    (can't think of the song names).
    
    -Tony

    -1
    
    Is that just a "D" on the low "E" string, or the whole guitar?
    
    Buck, who knows his low E went to D for Mutha...

    
    Hmm...
    
    I'll check out the track tonight - he may well have just lowered the E.
    (although I bet playing those 5ths, 4ths and 3rds start to get a bit 
    confusing).
    
    -Tony

    
    There's an interview with Extreme in this week's Kerrang and Gary
    Chrone says that in the video for Decadence Dance, he picked his
    nose....but that bit was censored because a bogie fell out!  HA HA HA 
    He says he didn't understand why it was cut!  8^)
    
    Flip

    Wgagagagagagaga!
    
    Cut it out !  He *didn't* !
    
    jc

    
    
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaatchoooooo!! (sniff)
    
    I've been layed up in bed with flu since Thursday, and I got bored so I
    thought I'd follow in Bucks foot steps and figure out a couple of riffs
    from PornoGraffiti.
    
    Ad liberal does of right hand palm muting, artifical harmonics and wild 
    vibrato, and you got it sussed (btw, I haven't noted any of these as
    I'm lazy!).
    
    Here ya go mutha-pluckers :-
        
"I Wanna be President" (tune down one semi-tone to E flat)

E|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G|--2----------------------2----------------------2----------------------2------
D|--2---------------4-4----2---------------5-5----2---------------4-4----2------
A|--0--3--4---0-3-4--------0--3--4---0-3-4--------0--3--4---0-3-4--------0--3--4
E|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
E|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G|-------------------2--------------------------2-------------------------------
D|--------5-5-5-5----2---------------4-4--------2---------------5---------------
A|--0-3-4------------0--3--4---0-3-4-----4-3----0--3--4---0-3-4-----------------
E|----------------------------------------------------------------3-------------

E|---------------------------------------------------------
B|---------------------------------------------------------  after lyrics,
G|--2----------------------2-------------------- p -----2--  repeat riff on
D|--2---------------4-4----2---------------4-4--4-2-----2--  low E string
A|--0--3--4---0-3-4--------0--3--4---0-3-4----------3---0--
E|---------------------------------------------------------

E|----------------------------------
B|----------------------------------
G|--------------------7-2--------2--
D|--5-2--------2--2---7-2--2--2--2--
A|--5-2--2--2--2--2---5-0--0--0--0--
E|--3-0--0--0--0--0-----------------
        
    
"Suzi"
        
E|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G|-5-6----------------------------------5---------------------------------------
D|-5-6--------------------------------7---7-------------------------------3-----
A|-3-4--5-5-----5-7-8-7-5---5-5-----5-------8-7--5-----5-7-8-7-5------3-3-3-----
E|----------5-8-----------8-----5-8----------------5-8-----------8-5--1-1-------
                                                                      
E|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G|-------------p-5--------------------------------------------------------------
D|--h-p-------5-3-5-------------------------------------------------------------
A|-2-3-2--5-5-------------------------------------------------------------------
E|--------3-3-------------------------------------------------------------------
   
        
    Enjoy (all typos are artistic freedom ;^) ).

    I received my first taste of Extreme today.  I borrowed "Bill &
    Ted's..." soundtrack from a co-worker.
    
    Their song "Play with Me" is on it.  I thought it was pretty good, the
    lyrics are amusing too ;-)
    
    Mike

    
    The intro to that tune is AWESOME!

    I'm getting more and more into Extreme's music and Nuno's playing
    expecially, but their lyrics are pretty pathetic.  You'd think that
    with talant that could write that kind of music they'd be able to do
    better with the lyrics.
    
    There's an interview with Nuno in this months Guitar For the Practicing
    Musician magazine and he comes off sounding kind of arrogant at times
    IMHO.  Well...maybe not arrogant, umm, maybe cocky would be a better
    word for it.
    
    gh

    I'd be cocky if I could rip like that...
    
    jc

    The cocky ones don't earn too much respect either.  It amazes me how
    guys like Satch, Eric Johnson, and Phil Keaggy can be so humble.
    
    Mike

    Nuno *is* cocky...and WHAT an attitude, but he wasn't always like that!
    
    Buck, who's opinion is based on pre- and post-fame Nuno encounters

    
    I don't know, he was pretty stuck up in high school but not nearly
    as much as now.

    some people never change...
    
    Michelle Johnson of "Blame it on Rio" (yeah that one ;-)) fame was 
    a real slut in high school!
    
    Mike

    
    RE:
    < "Michelle Johnson of "Blame it on Rio" (yeah that one ;-)) fame was
    < a real slut in high school!"
    
    How would YOU know, Mike?  Hmmmm?  8*)
    
    Slant

>    How would YOU know, Mike?  Hmmmm?  8*)
    
    The whole school knew! ;-)

    Extreme vocalist, Gary Cherone, is a Christian.  Don't look for upfront
    lyrics from the band (except maybe the song "Watching, Waiting" from
    its debut album), but do look for a revealing interview in an upcoming
    issue of "Heaven's Metal".

    Yeah..and now she's rich and famous.  
    
    8-o

    
    re .360
    
    Is that when Beethoven is playing with the synths and Ghengis Khan is
    in the sports shop with the baseball bat?
    
    Most excellent movie dude!
    
    Flip

    Most excellent Michelle JOhnson, dude. Does she show off her tittles
    and acquisitions (tm) in any flick besides "Blame it on Rio"? Distorted
    minds wanna know. 
    
    Oh yea I seen an Extreme vid da other day, it was EXTREMEly lame.

    Re: -2
    
    Yeah that's the movie!  That was filmed here in Phoenix.  The mall in
    there is the Metrocenter Mall, which is about 5 miles from where I
    note.  Arizona is the home of Circle K! ;-)
    
    Re: -1
    
    Jess, the next time you come to Phoenix, I give you her address so you
    and all the other voyeurs can go watch her nightly show.  She could
    open up her own Title Company.
    
    Mike

    what show?

    Some notes from the Extreme show at Clubland in Worcester on Friday...
    
    Show started at 6:30pm -- tooo early
    Danger Danger was very good. Great opening band for Extreme. They
    played for 50 or so minutes with a two song encore.
    
    Extreme was very skimped on lighting and props but the sound
    was much better than the Orphium show. They only played for 70 minutes
    (Probably have to blame it on the house for this one). They left out
    a lot of good songs again. We were out of the place by 9:15pm... 
    
    Jetboy cancelled out on this tour...
    
    
    Anyone else go to the show??
    

    I thought the sound was a little "muddy' at times, maybe too much
    bass? They had to be off stage at a certain time so Clubland could turn
    into a dance club, thats why the set was cut short by at least 2 songs
    (Song for love & and i believe Play that funky music where cut out )
    6:30 was much to early to start a show and at 16.50$ a tix much to
    short a set.
    They played a sold out Ritz in NY Sat nite and their video for "Get the
    funk out" premiered on MTV that same nite. 
    They'll be in FLA this week then Gary and Nuno take off for Germany for
    a small promo tour the week after.
    Peter

    
    hey pete, whatever happened with the drummer from Flesh with his eye
    and all? Is he okay now?
    
    /prc

    Mike is doing fine. He feels a bit uncomfortable, but has perfect
    vision in the other eye and counts himself very lucky. Flesh has played
    out a coupla times since the "accident" and Mike did excellent. 
    BTW Flesh are being seriously wooed by a coupla giant record companies
    and could be signed soon.
    Peter

    My wife went.  She had a good time I guess.  Said Nuno was awesome.
    
    jc (Who still has yetto see Extreme)   ;(

    
       Well I got my chance to see the awesome Nuno and company in action
    friday nite at Killington. All I can say is that I'm impressed! We sat
    up in the balcony section no further than 15 feet from Nuno. This guy
    is one of the best if not the best axeman around today. They starting
    playing around midnite and played a total of 10 songs. The band is 
    very tight and they seem to really like to play to a bar crowd! Nuno's
    fingers were a blurr!
    
                                   R.B. 

    >up in the balcony section no further than 15 feet from Nuno. This guy
    >is one of the best if not the best axeman around today. 
    
    You really think so?!?!?  Not me...I think his playing still needs to
    mature a whole lot.
                        
    >Nuno's fingers were a blurr!
    
    Fast fingers don't make a good guitarist IMHO.

    
       If the fast fingers were mine then you're right..but I've listened
    to alot of great guitarists in my life and IMHO I am right with this
    call. I don't pick the number one, but I feel he's in the top ten...
    
                            R.B.

    Hey R.B.,
    
    I'm no expert, but I just think ole Nu is still too cloneish.
    Kinda like Ritchie Kotzen in some ways...super chops, but the
    playing needs maturity.  Give Nuno 10 years to hon his chops
    and to grow up a bit.

    
        I'll agree with you on that....he does need maturity. If he is
    still playing in 10 years then he might be added to the greatest's
    list. Extreme is a talented band....the next album they record will
    tell if they are destined to be considered great..
    
                          R.B.
    
     

    
    I'd be surprised if Nuno stayed with Extreme even 2 years down the
    road. Ego knows no bounds.
    
    /prc

    RE: next album
    
    Which brings up another subject...Do you think Extreme will ever break
    into the nationals?  I mean, their music is just 'odd' enough that they
    might only enjoy a cult status.  I find it funny that with their 2nd
    album, I have YET to see a video from it on MTV, and they havn't been
    picked up by a big headliner yet.  Sure, they've been touring, but on a
    somewhat smaller scale.  I mean, in retrospect, look at Winger...they
    are on album #2, and their videos are flooded on MTV, and are moving
    from one major tour to another.

    Re -1.  Well MTV are calling them part of the 'new music' scene
    (whatever that is) based on the number 'Get the funk out'.  And they
    are being covered here in Europe.
    
    Re a few back.  10 years; isn't that a little extreme.  gaag,.
    
    
    
    GAZ

    
    
    Actually, Extreme videos have been on MTV, headbangers ball.
    
    I am not a huge Extreme fan, but I do have to say that MTV isn't
    necessarily the ticket to success for all bands.
    
    
    Goddess F.

    Ok, well let me clariy and say that MTV has not put any Extreme videos
    into rotation.  I don't watch HBB (on too late!), so I usually just
    catch prime time MTV (6-10ish), and thus base my views of "what's on
    MTV" on that timeframe.

    
    re:387
               Actully Extreme is going to be touring with Winger in
               the near future.
                                                         
                                                         Mark

    What kills me is that Nuno is all over git mags, and is highly
    regarded as a guitar player now.
    When the first album came out, I said that his playing reminded
    me of both EVH and Warren DeMartini, only better, and I was 
    barbecued alive.
    
    HA!!

    
     Re:-1
    
           Looks like I got barbequed too for stating that I felt he was
      one of the greats too. I still think he is in the upper end of the
      the top 10.
    
                               R.B.

    re -2   Do you mean that Winger are touring with Extreme.
    
    Winger sook, or at least they did with the Sorps.
    
    
    GAZ

    >>I was barbecued alive.  
    
    
    You should have been, Nuno can't carry Eddie's jock, although I hear
    he's offered to.

    
      So what's your claim to music ..... all the world is a critic but
    most of it can't carry a tune!
    
                           R.B.

    I like the way Eddie sounds better. I like way his git screeches and
    wails, I don't think Nuno is nearly as good both rythmicly and
    technically. To his credit Nuno has gotten better but he is still no
    Eddie. Oh yea, and NO, I wasn't bashing, you would've known if I was
    bashing.

    
      Re:-1
    
           In the latest interview with Nuno he lists his ultimate guru as
      Eddie. He can't be all bad if he uses Eddie as a standard to shoot
      for. 
    
                                  R.B.
    
     P.s. There's too many great bands out there to choose from....

    Jesse,
    	I agree with you. I think technically Nuno may be a better
    guitarist than Eddie. I think Eddie > Nuno for originality,
    inventiveness, and his riffs are instantly memorable. I think
    if Eddie ever took serious lessons while he was learning, he'd
    be mind-blowing. I believe he mostly taught himself everything
    he knew, but I could be wrong.
    
    /Mike...You can say a lot of guitarists are better than EVH, but 
    I think Ed's writing/music goes a long way. He's written some 
    CLASSIC riffs, and he's the reason why a lot of sh*t-hot guitarists
    got started in the first place.

    re: .381
    
>       Well I got my chance to see the awesome Nuno and company in action
>    friday nite at Killington. All I can say is that I'm impressed! We sat
>    up in the balcony section no further than 15 feet from Nuno. 
    
    ...and you didn't get hit by his nose?
    
    ;^)

    
      Re: Gregg
    
               Not even close...he does have a bigger than average snoz
      though. It must be great as a guitarist to have a tech sitting
      behind ya switching in the effects as they are needed. The warm-up
      lead guitarist of course had to do it all himself, but Nuno was
      free to just play when his time came around. 
               For those of you that are interested he was playing his
      "N4" guitar and the acoustic.
    
                         R.B.

    RE: gh
    
    I am ROLLIN!!!
    
    Well, I've stated before my thoughts about EVH deciples...and while 
    NuNOSE(tm) blatently claims to be one, it's quite obvious to the rest
    of us.  That's what bugs me about these people (who worship VH), they
    ALL SOUND ALIKE!!!  Ever hear Paul DiBartolo (formerly of Bang!, now
    with Spread Eagle) play?  Great chops, but they all sound like
    re-hashed Eddie licks (cuz they ARE!).  And then you have Dug Blair,
    another hopeless Eddie rip-off...and on the other hand, we have Chris
    Impellitteri, the bogus-Yngwie clone!  I applaud Paul Gilbert and Tony
    MacAlpine for getting out of this rut too...now they're their own
    players, but before they were just cheapo clones.
    
    Why should I give these people credit for being original if all they
    do is sound like (a poor imitation of) someone else?!?  You know what
    is ultimatley bogus about NuNOSE(tm), the song Mutha...  First off,
    NuNOSE(tm) didn't write that song...it was written 3 years before he 
    joined the band...so he re-arranges the riff a little bit, and steals
    the riff from VH's "unchained" to do it...originality plus here people!
    Then he claims to have written all the songs on the album...bogus!!
    
    B.
    

    
    Buck, have you ever thought that these guys might play flashy licks 
    because they enjoy playing them, and they don't care if they are 
    grouped into little 'Yngwie Camps', 'Van Halen Camps' or whatever ?
    
    -Tony
    
    (who sez that Nuno has mastered the art of tapping with his nose!) 

    They do care, believe me!
    
    I was talking with this dude last night who's *very* in touch with 
    'the biz', and he told me that if Extreme screws up this tour with
    Winger, it's all over for them!  It's kind of a make or break tour.  I
    hear the record company has not been too happy with their [lack of]
    success and [lack of] acceptance in the marketplace, and are
    threatening to dump them if they don't start 'happening'.
    
    RE: /prc's comment a few back, maybe I can see NuNOSE(tm) breaking
        off and forming a new, or joing a major touring band.  I mean,
        Nu is the one plastered over the guitar rags, and Nu was the 
        big hit at the NAMM show last week...not Pat Badger, Gary Cherone,
        etc.  

    re: -1
    
    ( this is not a flame, Buck )
    
    I don't know exactly what that dude meant by "if Extreme screws up this 
    tour ( w/Winger ) it's all over for them".
    They've never "screwed up" in the past while on tour. They play to
    capacity 99% of the time, they ALWAYS show up to play, have been enthu-
    siastically received in every city, and have a critically acclaimed 2nd
    album.
    Contrary to what this gentleman says A&M is VERY happy with the way
    things are going, SBK ( their management ) is also happy, and a 3rd
    album will be forthcomimg.
    Granted, there may be a "lack of acceptance in the marketplace" at the
    moment, but with the Winger tour coming up people are hoping that the
    reason for this non-acceptance has been the virtual invisibility of the
    band on a bigger venue level. 
    It is very difficult to break national playing clubs, especially with
    the glut of bands out their at the moment. The Winger gig is 
    ( hopefully ) just the next step in the bands progression.
    
    
    Peter
    hey, Flip, sorry i didn't call. sounds like ya had a good time!

    re -1
    
    >I don't know exactly what that dude meant by "if Extreme screws up this 
    >tour ( w/Winger ) it's all over for them".
    
    >Granted, there may be a "lack of acceptance in the marketplace" at the
    >moment, but with the Winger tour coming up people are hoping that the
    >reason for this non-acceptance has been the virtual invisibility of the
    >band on a bigger venue level. 
    
    I think that is what he meant by the context of that quote...ie, this
    tour with Winger will give them the exposure that they have not 
    received on this level til now (venue tour), and if afterwards the 
    band does not reap any gains or success from the exposure they received
    on the road with Winger, that A&M might be p*ssed with them.  Of
    course, I really can't say what this gentleman meant by that comment...
    the above is only my best guess.
    
    >Contrary to what this gentleman says A&M is VERY happy with the way
    >things are going, SBK ( their management ) is also happy, and a 3rd
    >album will be forthcomimg.
    
    Hmmmm, well, that certainly is not the picture this person painted for
    me of their situation. 
    
    Cheers,
    Buck

    >this tour w/Winger will give them the exposure that they have not
    >received on this level till now, and if afterwards the band does not
    >reap any gains or success from the exposure.....
    
    ok, that i understand.    
    
    >Hmmmmm, well, that certainly is not the picture this person painted
    >for me of the situation.
    
    their is quite a bit of second hand information that is circulating at
    the moment about the band, as with anything in life one must be wary of
    the source.
    I've not heard anything negative from A&M, SBK, or the Extreme in
    regards to performance or sales.
    
    *still haven't forgot about that question, Buck.
    Peter
    
    

    More Metal new hot from the Hollyweird presses:
    
    Nuno was the hit of the NAMM show last week in Anaheim, CA.  Washburn
    has this big booth set up, complete with super-large video screens,
    etc.  Nuno was sort of just hanging out, promoting his N-Series line of
    signature series Washburn guitars.  From what I understand, it wasn't a
    clinic perse, but Nuno just kind of noodling about on the guitar.  I
    heard the mass of people around the Washburn exhibit was 50 people
    thick for the entire length of the show!  Interesting observation ...
    when Nuno did a clinic at EU Wurlybird a while back, the store was
    asking $3.00 admission...no one would pay it, and the day of the
    clinic, they had to let people in for free!!  So there you have it,
    Boston musicians refusing to pay a measly $3 to see Nuno play, and
    Californians going mad over him...go figure!
    

    
     Nuno made 1/4 of the cover of the new Rolling Stone.....Good article
    inside. I feel the band has been blacklisted by some of the Rock
    stations....our very own WIZN in Vermont won't play them...even the
    soft ballad "more than words"....yet they play other rock bands that
    are less talented. Hell and example is ..we have a concert coming up
    with Deep Purple and Winger, sponsored by this station, and they play
    Deep Purple but give no airplay to Winger. That stinks! ...anyways
    back to Extreme....Rolling Stone gives them credit as one of the most
    underrated bands out there today...along with alot of credit to Nuno
    for being an underground AXE hero to alot of people.
    
    
                                     R.B.

    
    Apparently Extreme play two dates in England:
    
    Marquee	May 2nd
    Manchester International May 3rd
    
    Then they play a few dates in Europe and then return to play a fuller
    tour of the UK at the end of May.
    
    Flip

    
      If you get the chance..see them!..They are high energy and Nuno's
    guitar licks are super-charged. The last time I saw a new band come
    on the scene with a guitarist as great as Nuno was VH back in '77/'78.
    Eddie ruled then...
    
                                   R.B.

    
    I've seen them - in July of '89 at the Channel when they returned to
    Boston after touring the US...it was a cool gig.
    
    Flip

    But RB, a great guitarist does not make a great band!

    
      But...he can sure take away the rough edges and and direct your
    concentration away from the areas that stink!
    
                       R.B.

    -1
    
    Maybe, but not for long.
    
    Examples:
    o Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Ego band
    o Winger
    

    
    I agree with Buck. The bass is no where, and the drummer is average at
    best.
    
    /prc

    
      The only members of the band that my SO and I watched when we saw
    them in concert were Cherone and Bettencourt....they can replace the
    other players if they ever had to....but then again maybe they won't.
    Look at the Stones...most of the players in that band suck the big
    one!
    
                             R.B.

    CJ and F. burned me out on Ickstream(tm) about 2 years ago. 

    
    Just because Pat and paul aren't in the spotlight doesn't mean
    that they're nothing special...
    
    I think that they're an awsome rhythm section, tight on thier playing
    and time, and that means alot in a band. Especially in the studio....
    
    
                                                         Marko

    Nuno would be just another dime a trillion guitar player without
       the help of a good tight rhythm section.......
    
           These two do fill the job...I think they are better than 
    they appear but like most rhythems players they must sacrifice to
    make the band sound better. To give Gary & Nuno a platform to work
    off of....A band that has a rhythems section that goes off to much
    often gets cluttered....
                            Frizkid
    

    
    
    They do have a VERY tight rhythem section... and the band is very
    talented in all...
    
    But I still don't know how far they would have went without Nuno...
    Since Extreme got signed all you see in magazines mostly is Nuno....
    
    Jim-

       yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                       Guitarist need to give some respect to us
    rhythem people...Cause without us there guitars would sound like
    just a bunch a notes flying in the air.....
    
                                 Frizkid
    

    
    
    
    
    	YEAH!!

    
       Here's MBHO but I think Extreme has a great rhythm section...I have
    listened to them to the point I think I know there songs note by note
    and feel they are equal to any band out there today on the concert
    trail! I choose to center on Nuno's playin' cause I like his style...
    but the other players are better than most of us critics...
    
                             R.B.

    
> but the other players are better than most of us critics...
    
  	I disagree. 

    
      Well if ya are..then why are you still working for DEC..you should
    be out there on the road makin' yer millions..
    
                          R.B.

    MAKE IT BIG

    
    re: .429
    
    If it was that easy I would be.
    
    /prc

    
    
    Pete, Paul would smoke you so fast you wouldn't even know you were
    being inhaled if that's the point you are trying to make.  That guy
    does some serious sticking.  I have sat there and analyzed his drumming
    at least two dozen times seeing them live and some of the stuff he does
    amazes me every time.  Just because it sounds simple doesn't mean it
    is.  That guy is ROCK solid.
    

    so there!  8^P

    
    I definitely don't agree. Just because a drummer is solid doesn't make
    him good, it makes him a good time keeper. A good drummer is that but
    he/she's also creative, intead of taking the easy way out all the time
    they'll come up with something new. I'll give him one thing and that
    is he does have a good sense of accenting and fills.
    
    Now I don't know if the band keeps him back or he does himself but
    there is alot of room for improvement in what he's playing to the
    songs. Maybe I come from a different school of drumming or something
    but a drummer is not just a time keeper. Paul is a time keeper. I know
    the guy is talented and all, but he's not my kind of drummer. Scott
    Travis, Charlie Benante, Clive Burr, and Nicko are my kind of drummers.
    
    /prc

    Yes, Paul is a time keeper.  But he's not JUST a time keeper.  I
    haven't listed to either of Exterme's albums, but speaking from seeing
    them live more times than you could shake a stick at, he is also a very
    dynamic drummer.  He has incredible sticking and rudimentary abilities
    as well as some fair linear talent.  In many ways he reminds me of Neil
    Peart, not because he is fancy or anything, but in the way he plays to
    perfection, almost like a machine.  I love those drummers you mention
    as well, but in a different way.  You are definately underestimating
    this guy if you think of him as just being a timekeeper.
    

    
      When I saw them at Killington in January..you couldn't see the
    drummer because of the way the bar/hall is arranged, but you could
    hear him! He did make his drums speak that night. Everyone does have
    there own opinions and for every reason that drives some of you away
    from these guys...theres a reason that makes me want to listen to them.
    But what the f&*k..that's why music is so diversified.
    
                                R.B.
    

                He keeps Nuno from sounding just like another guitar
    player....The way he accents the songs. If he sounded like the 
    drummers you mentioned, it just would be EXTREME.
    He is much more than a timekeeper....He know what makes a great 
    song.  That to me makes a good band, not some egotisical skin-basher
    not caring for the song and just going off to make himself look 
    good!!    
    
                               Frizkid
    

In the French Rock magazines, Extreme got an excelent critic. They said it was 
one of the best album since VH 1. Unlike their first LP, Pornographitti is 
distributed here. That helps. Also I saw the video of "get the funk out" 
several time on the Top50ish (kind of) musical (only) channel we have.

Anyway there getting bigger and bigger, and IMO they deserve it, their latest
album is fantastic. Nonu's playing is amazing but the rest of the band is good
too. Composition are excelent. I like the way they mixed lots of musical
influences together.


Does anyone know what other date they are doing in Europe other than in the UK?

Thanks

Didier

    Didier, I have a list of the tour dates for Europe at home and will
    post them next week if you remind me.
    
    I love Extreme and Newnose is the greatest thing since Eddie VH picked
    up a tennis raquet and pretended it was a guitar!
    
    
    GAZ

    I was just listening to Pornograffiti yesterday and really enjoyed it. 
    The band has a unique sound that's a lot of fun.  I'd like to see them
    live sometime.
    
    gh

    
        It does get ya going! I'm a Pornog' player too!
    
                         R.B.

    
    
    	While station-hopping on the commute home last night, I heard
    "More Than Words" on KISS-108 (top 40, dance station).  I wasn't too
    surprised by that.  *But*... immediately after hearing it on KISS,
    it was on WVBF (easy listening(!), top 40)!!!
    	
    	'VBF didn't make a big deal about Extreme being local so it seems
    the station played the song on the merits of the song along.
    
        Do they have a video for "More Than Words"?  MTV would really go
    for a song that has potential for a large market share... and we all 
    realize how profitable a hit video on MTV can be.
    
    	Wonder if this may be the start of something big?  Then again,
    wonder if this may hurt them?
    
    
    Paul
     

    Yes Paul there is a video out for "More Than Words", like all Extreme
    videos it is Extremely colourful and Extremely energetic!
    
    
    
    GAZ

    
    	How can a song that puts me to sleep have a video that is
    	energetic?
    
    							GTI
    

    Re Shawn, why don't you go make like your p_name (^8*.
    
    
    GAZ
    

    like all Extreme videos, they're never played, so one never knows if
    there is a video for that song or not!
    
    Buck, who has only ever seen the Kid Ego vid!

    I think this video make just break it wide open for them,if they
    get enough air time on MTV.  The video is in black & white.
    Plus it has the bass player and the drummer!!(which I thought would
    never happen!)  Their just sitting there reading and lighting
    lighters while "the other two" are playing the song.
    
    Good close-ups and guitar neck shots.
    
                                 Frizkid
    

    
    
    
    I think it sux how eMpTyV can make or break a band.  There's an article
    in Rolling Stone about Extreme and the tough time they've had making it
    on the music scene.  It seems that they don't project (and don't want
    to project) the tough/studly image that eMpTyV demands from their 
    Metal/Rock bands.  
    
    eMpTyV has all but put the read light to Extreme videos in the past,
    but since "More than Words" is getting such airplay nation-wide (it's
    ALWAYS on the radio.....) hopefully that will change..
    
    And I'm not even an Extreme fan, but I do see talent (mainstream that
    it might be).
    
    kath

    Any plans to play in the Boston/Worcester area soon?

    
    They don't project the tough/studly image demanded by MTV?!?!  You
    should see some of the posters they have had in Kerrang, if these ain't
    selling to the tough/studly market, I don't know what is.
    
    Do they naturally walk around with flexed biceps, pecs, big pout and
    looking from underneath their eyebrows?
    
    FLip
    

    Guitar player magazine has an interview with Nuno and a private lesson
    with him.It claims he will be the next new guitar hero for the next
    five years,it goes into detail about the special edition Washbrun and
    old influences.
    
    
                                                Staynz
    

    Extreme has no plans to play local in the near future except the 
    Boston Music Awards ( probably just a coupla songs ).
    
    Yeah, they do look awful pretty in some of those pictures for a band
    that eschews that image.   ;^)
    
    Peter

    Peter, 
    
    I heard on the local "Call up for concert announcements" phone line 
    that Extreme will be opening for David Lee Roth at RedRocks, CO towards
    the end of August ??  Any truth to this ??  What a break for the boize
    eh ??  DLR could definately make them famous (look what he did for
    Poison !).
    
    So whats the buzz (tell me whats ahappenin') ?
    
    jc (WHo might finally get to see Extreme !)

    Nuno and Gary were on Raw power last night for an interview and playing
    vids of their older stuff ie Kid ego and some others along with the
    stuff from "porno...."I didn't like the older stuff as much,is it as
    good as the pornograffiti stuff.Also Nuno was in last months edition
    of guitar player,he says he cringes when he hears some of the older 
    material.What is the general feeling about the old stuff??
    
    
    
                                              Staynz

    Hey JC,
    
    Yeah, when they get back from Europe ( in early June ) they hook up
    with DLR & Cinderella for about 3, 4 months. More than likely
    they will make their way out there. Maybe i'll catch ya at RedRocks?
    :^)
    I'll see if i can get a for sure date for ya on Colo.
    Peter

      You'll see ME there!!!!
    YES!!
                     Frizkid
    

    This is a review of the Extreme concert in Utrecht, Holland, which is part
    of their current European tour.
    
    The concert was on Wednesday 8 May at the Tivoli club in Utrecht.  The
    concert was a total sell-out, not difficult for the Tivoli as it isn't
    that big a venue, and there were a lot of people at the door looking
    for the off-chance ticks.
      
    Me and my friend arrived 10 minutes late, after first doing some Kendo
    training, so missed the beginning of the support act Saigon Kick.
    I have never heard, or heard of, Saigon Kick before so I did not know
    what to expect.  The number they were performing when we arrived was
    not exactly inspiring, but then they changed tempo and I grew more and
    more impressed by them.  Fast guitar work and strong vocals, only the
    drummer was a bit lame, reminded me of Dio a bit but much more
    versatile.  Good range of songs, from hard rocking to near thrash
    speed.  Don't think they will ever progress beyond a support act but
    they will always be a good one.  But they even managed to get the
    laid-back Dutch moving at times.
    
    They played for about 40 minutes and then there was the customary (read
    irritating) break while equipment was moved around.  The only good part
    of a break is that you can manoeveur into a position near the front and
    next to some pretty girls (^8*.  The only negative point of the concert
    was the waiting for the start of the main act.  Extreme took their
    time.  They took so long that the Cloggies started up with their
    national (football) anthem.  Ole, ole, ole, etc.  Then the lights
    dimmed, an intro note started up, then Extreme BURST on to stage with
    their opening number 'Get the Funk Out'.  Wow what an intro, they
    literally took over right from the start.  I was about 15 feet from the
    stage and could feel the energy generated by Gary Cherone and Nuno
    Betencourt like a physical thing.  This looked good.  My only problem
    was, being so small next to the Dutch I always had to crane my head to
    see anything.  Still the music captured everyone and there was moshing
    and diving all over the place.  These dudes have it all, energy, magic
    guitar work, great songs (nearly all from Pornografitti) and cool rythm
    section.  Gary Cherone has great stage sense, at one point he jumped up
    on the speakers at the side of the stage and climbed half on to the
    balcony to get close to the fans up there.  The humour that they showed
    also marks them as special, you can see that they are good friends too
    and this helps the crowd identify with them.  When there was a funny
    break at the end of Decadence Dance, the Dutch started up with Ole, Ole
    again.  This intrigued Gary so much that he asked them to sing it
    louder so the band could pick it up.  And they did, amazing, most bands
    would be peeved at what amounts to a taunt, Extreme made it part of
    their act!  More rocking followed then there was "More than Words". 
    You could hear a pin drop.  Ballads normally spoil the rythm of a show
    but this didn't, must be good timing.  Even the ubiquitous drum solo
    was OK, not too long (just long enough for the rest to grab a beer) and
    it finished by reintroducing the band, so it was tight.  Then of course
    there was Nuno's solo piece.  I don't like grandstanding normally, but
    in this case I will make an exception.  This guy can play, he must have
    gone through the entire repertoir of what it is possible to do with a
    guitar and all of it sounded like his soul was totally involved in it. 
    The crowd loved it, and I could see the look of jealousy on my friends
    face which really said it all.  The encore was a wee bit disappointing,
    only 2 songs, but then I noticed that it was dead on midnight, so I
    think that was all they were allowed to play.  Tivolli is in a built up
    area so that is probably it.  Sums it up, the crowd did not want to go
    home.
    
    A great concert, probably the best I have seen in 10 years as there was
    something for everybody.  Don't know if Extreme would work in a bigger
    venue; get the feeling that they need to be close to the crowd to
    really work.  So if you got the chance, go and see this, an experience
    you wont forget.
    
    
    GAZ
     
    
    

    I've gotta change my stance on this band.  The first album didn't do
    *anything* for me.  In all fairness, the only thing I heard from it was
    "Kid Ego" and maybe bits and peices of others.  But after listening to
    the new album constantly since I got it - whew, these guys have got
    something here.  It's a good mix.  IMO ... I hear bits of old VanHalen,
    Bulletboys, and a bunch of others.  The guitar work is blistering while
    still retaining some feel, which is a new concept these days.  Good
    album ....
    
    Scary

    
    
    Scary, listen to the first album..  I am not a big Extreme fan at
    all, but I like the first album better than the second..
    
    
    Francine

    I'm torn.  I like the SOUND of the first album...inyourface rock n
    roll.  Some of the compositions on the first lp really suck IMHO (rock
    a bye...aack!).  The writing is much better and more cohesive on
    Porno..., and Nuno comes forth more as a "player in his own"...I felt
    he delt a tad too much in the "I worship EVH" vein on thie first album. 
    The sound of Prono though kind of grates on my nerves after a while. 
    All that brilliance (8k and above), it really grates my ears.  Also,
    I've found I liked some songs after they were re-mixed/re-produced
    (like More than words, version 3).  I think Song For Love could be a
    major hit for them if it was re-mixed with a different producer for a
    totally different sound (more of a Scorions sound.,..the current is far
    too 'dark' sounding).
    
    jmho...

    Great review GAZ. Good point bout them havin fun up their. They ARE
    good friends which definately impacts their music and (imo) seperates
    them from other bands because of this chemistry. 
    What are "cloggies"? And what does "Ole" mean?
    Peter

    Cloggies is a (slightly derogotary) term for the Dutch on account of
    the traditional dutch footwear is wooden clogs!  Ole doesn't really
    mean anything (except at a bullfight) and is just a chant for football
    matches.
    
    Original GAZ joke round the dutch follows:
    
      Why do the dutch wear wooden shoes?
    
    
         Because it keeps the woodpeckers off of their heads!
    
    
    GAZ

    Does Extreme sing "More than Words" too?  I like that tune and also
    "Whole Hearted".  I'm a sucker for nicely done acoustic guitar work.
    
    Mike

    Good grief Mike, where have you been??  Haven't I heard this question
    before?
    
    
    GAZ

    QR does "Whole Hearted"?  ...but it didn't sound like Floyd? ;-)

    Mike,
    
    It's Hole Hearted...like "there's a hole in my heart that can only be
    filled by you"
    
    a concept, you know?

    Yeah I get it.  I haven't heard the entire song, so I used the wrong
    homonym.
    
    Mike

    How many albums does this band have out?

    -1
    
    Sly devil!
    
    Extreme have 2 lp's out.  EXTREME, and EXTREME II: PORNOGRAFFITI
    
    Personally, I *hate* the EXTREME II title, but I can see from a
    marketing standpoint that if people really tune in and dig the band
    from this release, to let them know they have another lp out that they
    can buy.  Esp. considering EXTREME (I) didn't even go gold.

    		;^0 I never heard "More Than Words!! 
    
    Pierre who would wish they'ed play "Suzie wants a What!!!!

    
    
    	So, was anyone down at the Performing Arts building
    	in Boston yesterday for the filming of Hole Hearted?
    
    	They announced it on WAAF just before it started...
    

    
    I was there with my Uzi...I missed though.

    
    	RE: announced it on AAF
    
    	Announced it on ZOU, too...
    	
    	

    
    
    	Oooh Pete.....that's nasty!
    

    I was at the shoot. It was kinda fun, quite boring. Took about 8 hrs to
    shoot. Cam Neely & Lyndon Byers came down to be in the vid, so was
    Franny Sheehan from the band Boston. 
    Its not a "concept" vid, just kinda the guys hangin in front of the
    building playing whilest a crowd gathers.
    Peter

    Flip...how were the Extreme @ The Astoria (?)
    Peter

    Well, I've traveled over 10,000 miles since April, and lemme tell ya,
    even in bumf***, wherever, More Than Turds are all over the airwaves!
    
    I switch the radio constantly, searching for good songs, and this has
    been on several stations at once!  What a hit for Ex-Dream(tm).  It's
    also a cross-over hit...I heard it on a few religious stations (have
    become very fond of these of late!!) and some C&W as well!!
    
    wow...

      It's about time they get some exPOSE!
    
        Maybe some will see the light when they listen to the rest of the 
    album!
    I'm glad to see they're doing great for a change!
    
                                    Frizkid
    

        I heard  `More  Than  Words'  on  WXXX  up here in Burlington
        today.  I  was kinda' surprised, since that radio station has
        lacked all brains and  knowledge  of  talent since it's start
        back in 1985 !
        
        Only  problem is, the teenie  boppers  will  be  raiding  any
        concerts  they  may  even  think of  doing  up  here  in  the
        Burlington area.  Oh well. . .the price to pay for fame ? :^)
        
        METALord"'

    What's so wrong about teenieboppers liking a really good band????
    
         Plus tennieboppers=loads of young,lucious women!!!8*p>
    
                            Frizkid
    

    re::-1
       Same here.... but there still fun to look at!!!!
    
       Are you saying you need alcoholic beverages to have fun?heeheeheehee
    
                 I still say have fun at concert and don't be so paranoid 
    that all the kids are gonna be there.
    
     No matter what you say......Heavy Metal is still a young persons 
    game!!!
    
                          Frizkid
    

    
    
    			For anyone interested...
    
    
    
    	EXTREME will be playing a Softball Game against the WAAF Staff
    	on Monday, July 1st.  I heard this on the radio coming in to
    	work this morning.  It will be played at 2:00 in the afternoon,
    	BUT the only thing they didn't mention was  WHERE  !!!  It will
    	be announced later on in the week where the game will be played.
    	The first 107 people will get a t-shirt and there will be food
    	provided by, I think, Subway.  Over 300 subs........
    
    
    	Rock-on...

    
    107 T-shirts!  How come such a strange number?  Is that all they have
    left after the tour?  Or is it something subtle, like the wavelength
    for WAAF?
    
    
    
    GAZ

    
    	RE: GAZ
    
    	Right-o... WAAF is 107.3 on the dial... but I suppose they
    	couldn't give the .3 shirt out. (8
    	
    tigg~~~

    Tomorrow (Wednesday) A.M. they will announce where the game will be
    held.
    
    Chris D.

    
    	>but I suppose they couldn't give the .3 shirt out. (8
    
    
    	If they do, I'd like to see you wearing it.  8^)
    
    							GTI

    Yeah, what he said!  :^)
    
    Chris D.

    
    
    	RE: Shawn
    
    	err... uhhh... ummm.... gee... I just got mail from someone
    	saying the exact same thing.  *blush*
    
    	methinks I shall go back into hiding with my foot in my
    	mouth.. 
    
    	tiggaslitherslither~~~
    
    	

    
    	RE: .489
    
    	Well, come out and play volleyball at lunch on Monday's
    	and Wednesday's and MAYBE you'll get to see me...
    
    	(Now to go out and get a tee-shirt with a .3 ironed on
    	the back) (;
    
    	tigg~~~

    Hey, Tigga~~~'s don't slither.  They may skulk, but slither never......
    
    GAZ
    

    
    	RE: but slither never....
    
    	Well, I guess I'll just have to change my nickname then
    	to Bagheera... (8
    
    	(anyone not knowing who Bagheera is should be shot) (*
    
    	tigg~~~

    Anyone hear NuNOSE(tm) on Rockline or some similar call-in, nationwide
    interview-type radio show last night??  Sir NOSE was in PA, just done a 
    show in Philly I believe, and I think he was a tad too excited for his
    good, cuz he really made an @$$ out of himself on the show!!  Some of
    his comments were really off-color, which were meant to be funny, but
    didn't come off like that, so, it was rather embarrassing!  Also, Nu's
    replies to questions seem to be getting a bit canned.  Maybe people ask
    the same dumb questions over and over, but the replies still seemed
    canned (not un-true, just over-used).
    
    Anyway, that was this metalheads opinion...

    Does anyone like the first album? I think it`s dire. I got it when it
    was first released,and took it back to the shop to change it for a 
    different band.
    
    Dreadful poppy bland rock.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    The WAAF vs. Extreme softball game will be held at 2pm July 1st 
    at Lansing Field in Billerica. 
    
    /w
    

    I have the debut. At the time i thought it was quite good.
    In retrospect ( esp since "Porno" was released ) i find "Extreme" a bit
    weak in spots.
    "Porno" simply blows it away. I think even the band will admit that
    much.
    The songs are stronger, the packaging better, and the production much
    more superior.
    The debut had its moments ( Watching, waiting - Little girls ), but
    suffered from poor production. They went thru numerous remix's and a
    coupla different producers who didn't always see eye to eye with
    Extremes "vision" of what they should sound like.
    
    Also, many of the songs on the debut were "older" songs that the band
    had simply outgrown by the time they recorded them, but were obligated
    to include.
    A good example of this is the song "Mutha". It was written 9-10 some
    odd years ago but A & M loved it, so it got included.
    
    Peter

    I'm glad Mutha got included...it was a fav of mine from The Dream
    days...glad to see Gary remembers his roots!  (although, I wasn't
    thrilled with the arrangement/sound of Mutha that made it to album)
    
    I agree some material on Extreme kind of blew (Rock a Bye comes to
    mind), but I think even the SOUND (for what its worth) was an important
    step in the bands progression.
    
    Buck, who kind of likes Nu's tone of the first better than the 2nd (his
    tone is just a tad too high-endy now...at first I really liked it, but
    I have found it grates after a while)
                                                                       

>>    The WAAF vs. Extreme softball game will be held at 2pm July 1st 
>>    at Lansing Field in Billerica. 
    
     My home town!  :^)   Anyone going?  I plan on being there.
    
    Chris D.    

    I'm on vacay that week and I might find my way up to that event...
    I could use a free shirt.... 
    
    /w
    

    Free subs too, I think.
    
    If there's a full sized white Bronco with a white whip antenna mounted
    on the rear bumper parked there, it's mine.
    
    Chris D.

    I liked "Rock a bye...". Probably due to the theme of the song. I
    thought it a "progressive" song ( for the Extreme , anyways )
    concerning something other than adolescent girls, being tardy from
    school, and the such. I liked the strings in it and the overall feel of
    the song. 
    As far as "Mutha" goes, Buck, i too enjoyed it years ago. But grew
    tired of it years ago, also. To me, its a tired old boring song. Thats
    not to say it does not have merit.
    I know tons of people who really dig it, thats cool, its all rather
    subjective any old ways.
    Peter  

    >I liked "Rock a bye...". Probably due to the theme of the song. I
    >thought it a "progressive" song ( for the Extreme , anyways )
    
    Oh, the theme is cool, but having the eng/produer background, I always
    tend to hon in on that stuff first.  *I* don't like the arrangement,
    and the production, I felt, was weak.  The song itself is good, but I
    wish it sounded different.  Same goes with Mutha...I hate the arr and
    overall production values.  My ear is more in tune with whats happening
    on Watching..., Kid E, and Play...  You know, that in-your-face r+r
    with not-so-much gated verbs, etc.
    
    >As far as "Mutha" goes, Buck, i too enjoyed it years ago. But grew
    >tired of it years ago, also. To me, its a tired old boring song. Thats
    >not to say it does not have merit.
    
    I hear ya.  And I can see why Extreme has left out Mutha and other tunz
    from their current setlist ... very understandable from their
    perspective, but, I think, rather disconcerning from, say, a new fans
    perspective (someone who heard "words" and went out and bought both lps).
    A lot of people don't know that Extreme is like 3-5 years behind 
    themselves compositionally speaking.

    
    	"Rock a Bye ...", progressive?  It's a f****** ballad, just like
    	most of the rest of the acoustical H_M ballads.
    
    	To me, Extreme is "Mutha ..." and "Kid Ego" and the kick-*ss
    	stuff that they play.  The slow stuff is put out to get all the
    	teen-age girls to buy the albums.  Then their boyfriends and/or
    	brothers borrow them and listen to the heavy stuff.
    
    							GTI

    
    
    BULL CRAP SHAWN!!
    
    When I was a teenager in high school, I was going to Ozzy concerts!!
    
    Maybe all the little tennybopper guys buy Queensryche for "Lucidity"
    and there girlfriends and sisters borrow it to listen to the heavy
    stuff!
    
    Goddess F. 

>  -< you can't say that about an entire race!  8*O >-
    
    That's "Gender", dear, not "Race".
    
    gh

    
    	RE: Francine
    
    	Obviously it's not true 100% of the time ... there are except-
    	ions to all generalizations.  But you have to admit that it is
    	true most of the time.
    
    	What do you think the M/F ratio is at a H_M concert?  I'd bet
    	it's at least 3/1, if not 5/1.  [And the exception to this is
    	a Bon Jovi show, where you might as well reverse the ratio.  8^)]
    
    							GTI
    

    To me Extreme is Mutha - MTW - Suzi - Play that funky music - Rock a
    bye. Because Extreme is a VERY versatile band.
    They do ballads well, they rock with the best, and they can get funky.
    Thats fine that you feel that they are "kick *ss", nothin wrong with
    that. But to pigeonhole them as JUST a "kick *ss" band is to sell them
    short on their talent to diversify.
    
    >"Rock a Bye....", progressive? It's a f****** ballad, just like most
    > of the rest of the acoustical H_M ballads.
    
    You've distorted what i said a bit. I said the song was progressive
    "for the Extreme". Where as most of the early stuff was of
    adolescent yearnings, here comes this statement song of sorts. A song
    of substance ( IMO ) as opposed to "Mutha don't wanna go to school
    today".
    Progressive in its use of orchestral sounds instead of the traditional
    acoustic type of thing.
    
    >The slow stuff is put out to get all the teen-age girls to buy the
    >albums. Then their boyfriends and/or brothers borrow them and listen
    >to the heavy stuff.
    
    Besides insulting teenage girls this statement is a generalization with
    no merit whatso ever. I don't see a smiley face any where so i assume
    that you are serious. Also its not a very informed statement.
    Peter

    
    Let's face it. More than Words is one of those songs that can get
    played on WBZ AM radio as well as WAAF. Huey Lewis did this real
    well.
    
    Whether they did that on purpose or not, I don't know. I have my
    own opinions.

    -1 
    I don't think it was a conscience effort on their part to cross over.
    They were quite frustrated at the lack of airplay for the first 5
    singles, they had no idea that MTW would do what it did. That came out
    of nowhere. 
    They always felt MTW *might* be a hit...but a #1 crossover with a
    bullet type of hit? Ya just can't predict that type of thing.
    Peter

    
    	RE: Peter
    
    	You can't tell me they don't release ballads so that they can ap-
    	peal to the "target audience", and that they "just like to put
    	out different stuff occasionally.  Well, of course you can tell
    	me that, but I won't believe you.
    
    	I was very serious when I made that comment, which is why I omit-
    	ted the smiley face.  Answer this question ... if you ask 100 or
    	so girls to name an Extreme song, which one do you think they'll
    	pick as a favorite?  Now do the same with 100 males.  You can't
    	seriously tell me that the results will be the same.
    
    
    	Now the only problem with using a band like Extreme is that they
    	haven't gotten the publicity that alot of other bands have got-
    	ten, so that might be the only song that anyone has ever heard
    	by them ... male and female alike.  But conduct a Bon Jovi survey
    	and look at the results.  The females will pick the ballads and
    	the males will pick the rockers.  [Again, there are exceptions,
    	but not enough to sway the results.]
    
    							GTI
    

    GTI has a point...first Extreme song dat comes to my mind is Decadence
    Dance.  Now ask the GP who does THAT song!!!

    
    
    Now ask those same girls which [insert thrash band] comes to mind
    first.  Chances are they will all have an answer.
    
    
    Goddess F. who was listening to Metallica in high school!

>    ...first Extreme song dat comes to my mind is Decadence Dance.
    
    Oh no....not again!
    
    gh

    
    	Francine, Aldo Nova is thrash to the average teeny-bopper.
    
    	Anybody can name a band, but my point is the songs that are
    	associated with a certain band:
    
    	Bon Jovi = "Wanted Dead or Alive" or "Runaway"
    	Skid Row = "I Remember You" or "Youth Gone Wild"
    
    	Do you see my point?
    
    							GTI
    

    Don't worry gh, we're not standing in that 1+ queue line for Mr.
    Twister to ponder it!!

    GTI - 
    ( no flame intended here ) 
    Your argument is to vague for me. It relies to much on conjecture.
    I know lots of teen age girls who eschew the ballads ( to sappy ) and
    dig the "grungier" stuff ( Porno, Suzi ). Then again i know TAG's who
    ONLY listen to ballads. Too many generalizations for me.
    Peter

    I like the 'More Than Words' ballad!  It is at least a totally
    unapologetic out-and-out ballad, and not the half-fare that the like of 
    the Scorpions have been churning out for years (I like the Scorpions
    too before anyone gets at me).
    
    What Shawn would do well to remember is that both 'Get the Funk Out'
    and 'Decadence Dance' were issued well before 'More Than Words' made
    the scene.  If it was meant to be an attention getter, then surely the
    release order would have been reversed!
    
    I don't think Extreme I and II can be compared.  It seems, in some
    ways, to be two different bands.  I liked the first album, but I will
    only listen to it from time-to-time as it is not particularly exciting
    to me (fav tracks 'Kid Ego and Rock-a-bye').  Porno, however, shows
    much more maturity and the band sounds much tighter throughout.  I like
    Numero Nuno(tm)'s high end playing and think that he more than
    justifies the attention that he is currently getting!  Porno becomes
    one of my permanent CD collection!
    
    
    GAZ  

    
    	RE: GAZ
    
    	If someone can show me sales figures for "Porno" when "Decadence
    	Dance" came out, and then figures for "Porno" after "More Than
    	Words" came out, then I might admit I might have assumed too
    	much and give it up.
    
    	But for some reason, I'd expect the sales to be MUCH higher after
    	"More Than Words".
    
    							GTI
    

    Shawn, you are totally missing the point that I am trying to make.
    
    Sales figures have nothing to do with it!  I honestly doubt that sales
    figures would be considerably higher on the album after MTW anyway.  I
    presume that it was issued as a single!  MTW came out when Extreme
    started their Porno tour in the UK.  I assume that was good marketing
    practice, but I suspect that album sales would be much more to do with
    the exposure of the band during the tour.  Their concerts were (are?)
    sell-out and for good reason.
    
    
    GAZ
    

    Course most girls are into the wimpy stuff. Just like most girls like
    barby dolls,and us myn like action men.
    
    Of course there are exceptions,like,er,"Goddess". My girlfriend has
    got 200 albums by bands like Napalm Death,Cancer,Godflesh,Master,
    Death etc,etc. That`s all she likes. But she`s a bloody weirdo.
    
    Re Extreme: Here in England "Get the funk out" is doing very well
    indeed,(national top 40 stuff). Not the most commercial song you
    could release,i think.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    If Extreme didn't consciously 'release' MTW as a killer, runaway
    ballard, well, they're certainly thinking of that stuff now.
    
    The next logical single is Hole Hearted...it's already starting to take
    off on it's own.  However, Nunose(tm) recently stated that their plans
    are to re-release Get The Funk Out (bad move imvho there Nu!).  Nu
    stated they didn't want people to think they were an acoustic-based
    band by having those singles back to back.  GTFO is *ok*, and is
    probably more of where Extreme is at, but IMHo it didn't float that
    great the first time, and won't fare much better the second time
    around.  HH is a great tune, and I think it should be released. 
    Although, I'd love to remix it and take some of that slide guitar
    out...it annoys me after a few sections!  ;^)
    
    B.

    Hey Chris_D -- can you post directions too the field in Billerica 
    for Mondays softball game?? I'll be coming from Worc. to Rt 495...
    
    Thanks
    
    /wayne

    
    
    Shawn, I don't think you quite got the jist of what I was saying
    either.
    
    But we might as well let it drop.
    
    It just does offend me when a rash generalization is made like that,
    and me and several of my friends would not have fit in it!
    
    
    Goddess F.

    Instructions to Lansing Field:
    
    From 495, take rt 3 south.  Get off at exit #27.  At the top of the
    ramp, turn right.  Go thru a set of lights.  After those lights, keep
    watching on the right hand side for a street that has a bunch of signs
    at the corner, (bingo sign, Lions club, those types of signs).  Take
    that street and you'll see the park.  I'll try to take a ride by there
    tonight to find out what the name of the street is.
    
         I'll be there!!  I don't know how they are going to do this, but
    if I can park near enough that I can watch the game from the truck,
    then you'll find me sitting on the hood.  If you can't park near the
    field, then you won't find me around the truck until the games over.
    
    Chris D.

    O.K.  More info.  The name of the park is Lampson Field.  The name of
    the street is Campbell Rd.  One of the signs should be a Boys Club
    sign.
    
    Thanks to a fellow WRESTLING noter.
    
    Chris D.

    re: .485
    
    Actually, the wavelength for WAAF would be about 9 feet!
    
    Ken
    

    
    
    Actually 1 cycle is 8.72 feet, 1 wavelength is half that.
    
    

    Morning ! ANyway go to the game ?!
    
    SueJ

    -2:
    
    Hey, somebodys even pickier than I am!
    
    Ken
    

    I went to the game.  Had a ball, got some great pictures.  The band and
    the dj's were all pretty good with a bat and glove.  I was surprised. 
    The people that won a chance to play on the teams were also pretty
    good.  It was a 7 inning game, but at the bottom of the 7th, Extreme
    tied it up 14 to 14.  The went an extra inning.  WAAF got 2 more runs
    in the top of the 8th, and with 2 men on base in the bottom of the 8th
    for Extreme, someone homered, giving Extreme the win.  It was a great
    day, a little hot in the sun though.  I got my picture taken with the
    Hillman, AND I got my picture taken with, none other than,
    
    
              Liz Wild, the Creamcheese Bitch!!!   AWESOME!!!!!
    
    
    
    My oldest daughter got her tank top (Not the one she was wearing)
    signed by the singer and drummer.
    If anyone came and looked for my truck, sorry!  I never imagined that
    an estimated 3,000 people would be there.  I parked at least a 1/2 mile
    away, and I was there an hour early!!
    
    Chris D.

    
    
    	RE: Chris D.
    
    	Please please please tell me that Liz Wilde isn't the
    	one who I saw with the headphones on at the Lowell
    	Riverfest - HIDEOUS creature...
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    I wasn't there.  Jack went and forgot to tell me :').  He videotaped it
    though.  So, what's this Liz Wilde person actually look like?  And
    Buck, you are the NCP MONSTA!!!
    
    - Rob who likes that Rhonda chick that does those late night movie
    things -
    

    
    
    	Well, if Liz Wilde is the chick JJ and I saw at the
    	Riverfest, she's a scary character (as I've found most
    	sexy-voiced female DJ's to be)..
    
    	Her face didn't seem to be TOO bad except that it was
    	heavily clad with makeup, but she had a wide arse, combat
    	boots (with the jeans rolled up) and hair like a rats
    	nest... 
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    	Oh and FWIW... she didn't look to be a day over the age
    	of 18
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    
    	That must'uv been her.. Here face ain't bad, but she does have 
    	a rather large butt... tig, did she have jet black hair?
    

    
    
    	re: .538
    
    	I think so....really long and basically straight but teased
    	up like there was no tomorrow....eeew!
    

    
    
    	RE: JW
    
    	couldn't really tell since it was dark out but it was
    	very dark in color... maybe my color or a little 
    	darker..
    
    	tigg~~~
    

>>    	Her face didn't seem to be TOO bad except that it was
>>    	heavily clad with makeup, but she had a wide arse, combat
>>    	boots (with the jeans rolled up) and hair like a rats
>>    	nest... 
    
         And VERY red lips!!!  That was her.  Tigga, I'll bring the picks
    over next week at lunch time one day.
    
    Chris D. 
    
    p.s. The combat boots gave it away.

    
    
    	Otay dotey ...but remember I'm on the SECOND floor now,
    	west wing, pole 4H 
    
    	tigg~~~

    I forgot the pic's today.  I'll bring them in sometime this week.
    
    Chris D. 

    
    
    	Well, I'll be here every day until 3:30ish...
    
    	tigg~~~

    I had a dream about NuNOSE coming over to my house last night to jam.
    We played Hole Hearted...AACK!
    
    ;^)

    Nuno interviews Brian May in the latest Guitar World.  Tab for "We Will
    Rock You" included.

    BTH, Nuno, or Nueno, or New-no,  :*)  was wearing a leg brace at the
    softball game.  He must have a weak knee.  This is one of those braces
    that straps on over your pants and is hinged at the knee.
    
    Chris D.

    
       Ya, he has a bad left knee. He had one operation on it a little
       while ago, but it needs a good one with rest following it so it 
       will problibly be done after the tour....
    
                                                             Marko
    
    

    
    	Bad knee ... bad knee!!
    
    	You be good or I'll leave this brace on forever!!
    
    							GTI

    
    
                       
           
          
                                  "550"
    

    
    
    
    	Todays's Globe had a bit about Nuno B. getting his hands insured
    for $5 million.  Tour backers got nervous when they heard he likes to 
    play basketball.
    
    
    Paul

    They ain't worth that much IMHO

    
    Definitely not.

    
    
    8*PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

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    RepliezZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Is "Hole Hearted" addressed to a woman?

    -1
    
    Could go either way, really!

    Depends on what you mean by either way ;-)  I don't know, some of the 
    words don't quite fit a female, and given Gary's background...

    Gary's background???what background?
    
    
    
    
                                                Staynz

    He's a Christian!

    I thought you were suggesting he was a nancy boy!
    
    
    
                                       Staynz

    That's not what Gary said about the lyrics in his interview with
    Heaven's Metal magazine.

    I don't have the article with me, but he basically said he wrote it
    with God in mind.

    I have once again got tickets to see Extreme in Holland.  Last time I
    saw them in Utrecht and tickets were priced at about 4 pounds.  This
    time they are playing in Arnhem and it costs 12 pounds.  The price of
    fame.  Still, the wife has tickets to see Diana Ross in November and
    they cost her 25 pounds!
    
    
    GAZ

    Once again I've seen Extreme and once again I'm impressed.The good
    points were the show and the fact I was in the front row.The bad points
    were the 3 teenage screaming hellions on my right.....
    
    ....OHMYOGDOHMIGODITGARYAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH and
    
    NNNNNNNNNUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO.
    
    I tried to convince them to invade the stage as they would never have
    another chance like this and if they didn't they would hate themselves.
    Two were willing but one wasn't so the three of them chickened out!!
    I managed to get a Pat Badger pick,though but it isn't as good to play
    with as the Matt Bissonette pick I got at DLR 2years ago.
    
                                                 Staynz
    
    

    I went looking for the notes in this stream, but couldn't find em!
    
    Anywho, back in June I said, while More Than Turds was tearing up the
    airwaves, that Hole Hearted would be the next big Single off the LP.
    Peter Levine was quick to point of the band was re-releasing Get The
    Funk Out as the next single, to which I said "bad move...it's a lousy
    song (melodically speaking) and doesn't have the snuff to be a major
    single)".  Pete said they didn't want to release two acoustic numbers
    in a row, as it might give people the wrong impression of the band.
    
    Well, here we are folks, 4 months down the road, and what was the next
    big single off of Pornograffitti?
    
    Thankyouverymuch!
    ;^)
    
    My next prediction is that Song For Love would be the next big hit,
    but the song desperately needs a re-mix, and an edit!
    
    Buck, wearing producer hat

    Yeah, I vaguely remember that discussion.

    ...and if I NEVER hear "Hole Hearted" again it'll be WAY TOO SOON!  I'm
    so SICK of hearing that stupid song!!!

    gh

    
    
    	Re: "Hole Hearted"
    
    	The song's not that bad... you all are just singing the wrong
    lyrics.  Try these...
    
    	"I cut a real nasty f*rt that can only be smelled by you...
         and that real nasty f*rt was caused by cheese fondue."
    
    
    Paul

    
    	RE: -1
    
    	bwahahahahahahah!!!! ahem... that's not funny Paul. (;
    
    
    	tigg~~~

    RE: PL
    
    Yes, Nuno *did* say in that radio interview that they would release
    GTFO as their next single, but what *I* was saying was in my previous
    reply was that it wouldn't catch.  There have been many bands whos
    released singles have been misfires...like when Aerosmith released
    "Chip Away" in 1978, but their huge hit that summer was their cover of
    The Beatles "Come Together" for the "Sargent Pepper" movie.  GTFO is a
    good rock song, but I personally don't think it's the kind of material
    long-standing hits are made of...it has a narrow market appeal, whereas
    "MTW" and "HH" have been cross-over hits.  As mentioned earlier, in my
    jaunts around the US this summer, I've heard the above two tunes on
    College staitions, christian stations, rock stations, easy listening
    stations...etc etc etc (You flip to a lot of stations when going cross
    country!).  GTFO really only applies to the rock station, hence my
    stance.
    
    
    >	Re: "Hole Hearted"
    >
    >	The song's not that bad... you all are just singing the wrong
    >lyrics.  Try these...
    >      
    >	"I cut a real nasty f*rt that can only be smelled by you...
    >     and that real nasty f*rt was caused by cheese fondue."
    
    ...."Who Farted"?
    ;^)

    >But anyways, i agree, GTFO more than likely would only appeal to AOR  
    >as opposed to CHR which is where MTW's & HHed became hits.
    
    Agreed.
    
    >"Song for love" is a worthy song but i would question the wisdom of
    >releasing 3 ballads/power ballads/semi-rockers ( fill in the blank ) in
    >a row. 
    
    I don't question it at all.  IMHO, it's much better for a band to have
    an identifiable sound and style than to release a hodgepodge of singles.
    In fact, it's that aspect of PG that I find a downfall.  But I know that
    Extreme and a lot of their fans think this is a plus of PG, so it's
    six-dozen of one or half-dozen of the other...
    

    Some good points raise, however, as much as I like tunes like Decadence
    Dance, It('s a Monster), Suzi, and When I'm President..., I don't think
    ANY of thsoe tunes are going to get the band anywhere quick.  If at
    all, SFL would be a good tune to work them into a 'heavier' band sound
    from the two acoustic numbers.  Again, it's the cross-over appeal of
    the number.  
    
    I almost never heard DD on the radio, and seldom GTFO.  If this is 
    really the genre the band wants to be recognized in, then I think it 
    would do them good to concentrate their writing efforts in it.
    Subsequently, I think it's their harder rocking numbers which are the
    weaker musical material on the lp.  The songs are far too guitar-riff
    based, with not enough melody/hook emphasis on the vocals.  I'm a 
    guitarist...when I get It('s)... in my head, it's the guitar riff,
    not the melody...same goes for When I'm Pres, etc.  If you review the
    popular "heavy" songs of our times, they all had solid vocal hooks...
    something I have yet to find coming from extreme.  Look at the success
    of Aerosmith...their songs stand on their own vocally, and is what a
    lot of the non-musical listening public remembers.  It's just my
    opinion Extreme are still too tied up in impressing the other million
    or so guitar players of the world.

    A question for extreme gutiarists;
    
    I've tried the main riff from decadence dance noted earlier but i've
    had to tune my guitar down to D rather than Eb. Is it my cd player or
    what? - everything else is okay at E (440)..
    
    ps..could someone post the two licks from the verses of this song.
    
    thanks in advance,
    
    jim.                                

    Talking of Extreme, I overheard a conversation this morning that went
    like this:
    
    "Yeah, I quite like Extreme, they remind me of Slade".
    
    Slade!?!?!?  Has anybody else noticed this unlikely similarity?
    
    Hevs

    
    Are you going to be a regular participant in this conference?  Sigh.
    Nothing's sacred anymore.
    
    Whoever made the comparison between slade and extreme does not have a
    good grasp on reality....was it Chris?  HA HA HA
    
    Flip

    
    re: 579
    
    Hmmm... the tune is definatley Eb. if I may be as bold to say that I
    think the previously entered version of the Decadance Dance riff is 
    slightly wrong.
    
    I think this is the correct version, although it still doesn't account 
    for why it sounds like it should be tuned to 'D' on your disk.
    
    Main riff :-
    
    AH = Artificial Harmonic
    PM = Palm Mute
    BH = Bend Up
    RB = Release bend
    S  = Slide note
    P  = Pull off
    
    
    E|---AH------------------------------------------
    B|---BH-RB---------------------------------S-----
    G|--2-(4)-2---2----P-----S--2---2----P----4-6-2--   You should
    D|------------2-2-4-2---4-5-2---2-2-4-2-------2--   be able to figure 
    A|------------0-0-----0-----0---0-0-----0-----0--   it out from here
    E|-----------------------------------------------
    
    
    Verse licks ...
    
    E|--------------------------------------------------
    B|-----------------------H--------------------------
    G|-----0--------AH------5-6--P---P----------------2-
    D|--H-----P-----7VVVV-------7-5-7-5---------------2-
    A|-3-5---3-0------------------------7-6-5-5-5-3VV-0-
    E|-----------3--------------------------------------
    				        |---- PM -|	
    
    Enjoy
    -Tony 

    
    BTW,
    
    The licks in -1 are for the second part of the verse. I can't remember
    the 1st licks off hand, I'll try and remember later, or put 'em in
    tomorrow.
    
    -Tony (jogging his memory)

    thanks tony, i'll try it tonight
    
    jim.
    

    
    
    I saw Extreme play at Hammersmith last night and was really
    disapointed. 
    
    KingOfTheHill supported and were amazing. Couldn't fault the band. they
    had stage presence (the singer really got the croud worked up) and they
    had the tunes and they grooved all evening. They did a version of Wild
    Thing at the end, and sung "WIld thing, you make my tits swing"!!. This
    had the audience laughing their butts off! To be honest, I enjoyed KotH
    more than Extreme.
    
    Extreme entered with "Its a Monster" and it was really slow. I
    don't know if they slowed the pace down for any reason but it plodded
    too much. They did that with a number of tunes including "Get The Funk
    Out".
    
    Pat and Paul were fine, very solid, very tight - what more can I say ?
    
    Garys Vocals were pretty bad on entry, and whilst he had lots of
    energy, in an attempt to be cool he spent a lot of time stood on a
    platform with his back to the audience shaking his butt. May work for a
    video but live it didn't feel like a "band" thing.
    
    Nuno's playing was ok, although he didn't warm up for a while.
    After a few tunes they played "Play With Me" (a track taken from their 
    first album that only appears on the CD version). And guess what ? They
    stopped the song just before the solo section. He did play the solo to
    the song but he did it as part of his solo section and it lost the
    momentum by that point. Nuno's solo consisted of some pretty cool
    percussive stuff which I never heard before (like HEAVILY muting notes
    and doing legato stuff and letting some notes squeeze through - sounded
    cool, more like a bongo solo than a guitar solo). He then played a
    simple repetative lick and just grooved around it - simple but very
    effective. Then, out came the dry ice and it was time for his melodic
    stuff, which to tell you the truth sucked. I'm not sure if it was
    improvised or what, but I've heard him play A LOT better. He played
    'Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee"  which is an ok piece I guess, but
    they didn't play 'He-Man Women hater" at all. Nuno played some other
    stuff (as mentioned, the 'Play With Me' solo) and overall I was a bit
    disappointed. 
    
    Generally the band were lazy. They missed queues for backing vocals,
    Nuno didn't both to turn off his distortion for some of the more funky
    parts and numerous other bits and pieces that bugged me.
    
    Anyway, at the end the said that they were re-realeasing Get The Funk
    Out and that they'd like to shoot a new video after the show, so we
    hung around and they shot the video. Afterwards, Nuno was talking to
    the crowd about how British audiences have gotten themselves a bad name
    being 'too cool' to go crazy at gigs so a lot of US bands won't play
    over here. He said something like you should stop pretending to be cool
    and just enjoy yourselves, but he was getting really worked up and
    you could tell he was pissed. My opinion ? wait to you see the new 
    video and you tell me weather the UK fans are 'too cool' to rock. I
    think not.
    
    -Tony

    sounds a bit like the black crowes. i saw them recently in glasgow and
    was really disappointed,especially with the singer who missed every cue
    possible (when he bothered to sing at all).
    
    like -1,they just didnt seem to care.
    
    jim.
    

Tony,

Sounds like the same show I saw in Denver.  I was *PISSED* when Nuno stopped
Play With Me at the solo...  I was bummin' that he was NOT gonna do it live.
But, he saved the day (for me...naturally Cindi was ecstatic the whole time)
when he finished it.

Maybe it was just the show (those guys have GOT to be tired as hell), but I 
didn't notice a loss of energy by re-arranging the lead like that...And the
more I think of it, the more I think Nuno is being very clever.  He KNOWS
that we (guitar-heads) were all goin' "Aw man, don't be a whimp!  Play it!", 
then he came back and SMOKED it.  I smile now, thinking that he messed with
me...

:)
jc

    
    He didn't do it live because he CAN'T do it live.

Wrong!  Thats the whole point.  He made everyone think he didn't (couldn't)
do it...  Then did it in the middle for a 20 minute guitar solo, which
just transitioned back in the end of Play With Me.  Nuno shreds.  He's
also a master showman if you ask me.

jc

The whole thing was a mind funk.

    
    Here's the first two verse licks (provided I've remembered them right -
    been ages since I've played it).
    
    This is the section that occurs just after the "Trying so hard to keep
    up with the Jones" lyric and is repeated several times throughout the
    song. I may have make a mistake on this, but as they say in all the
    best European films ;- suck it and see 8^)
                 
    E|-----------------------------------------------
    B|--------------2-----5---------------7-----5----
    G|-2---------S-----S-----2---------S-----S-----2-  Then play the
    D|-2-2------3-5---3-5----2-2------5-7---7-5----2-  licks in the 
    A|-0-0--0-0--------------0-0--0-0--------------0-  previous note
    E|-----------------------------------------------
    
    Enjoy,
    -Tony

    re-Tony
    
    I thought Kingofthehill were ok.They got a very lukewarm response from
    the audience in Edinburgh but for me they blew it when they say
    "wild thing,you make my dick swing"a bit on the immature side.I
    would've let them know but the bass player looked an animal and I was
    in the front row,within easy grabbing distance.
    
                                            Staynz

    I think the most impressive thing I've heard from Nuno is the solo
    on "It's a Monster".  I can't tell whether he picks or taps it.
    
    BTW, there's a demo version of that song on the new Guitar For The
    Practicing Musician collection (Volume 2).

    I saw Extreme a few weeks ago and I think this is the solo he crosses
    himself before,no bloody wonder!!I think it was picked but I can't be 
    sure.
    
    
    
                                                Staynz

Is this the solo he does on accoustic?  Awesome stuff.  This guy is getting 
better and better.

Needless to say I saw Extreme in concert in Arnhem last week!  I saw them in 
Utrecht earlier this year and the only thing that I can say is that they get
better as they go on!  The sound in Arnhem Rijnhall really sucked but the band
managaged to play well above it!  The support was King-of-the-Hill and they were
awful.  I only caught the last 3 numbers from them which was just as well!
They played an awful rendition of 'Wild Thing' substituting some of the lyrics
for the immensely purile and childish 'you make my dick swing'.  I hate bands 
that decend to this sort of level!  Miss them if you can!

Extreme are amazing live.  The amount of energy that Gary Cherone gets through
in an evening could solve the Bulgarian energy crisis!  He has also got one of
the best voices in rock today; a recently formed opinion!  They played a track
from there projected new album (due out early in the New Year) called 'Colour 
me Blind' or something similar!  Difficult to form an opinion on it but it 
didn't quite fit with the Pornograffiti set!  They also played a reworked 
version of Mutha... which was very good, though difficulet to sing along too if
you were using the timing of the album version as I was (^8*.

The finale was a brilliant version of 'Song for Love', really powerful and 
a worthy ending!  The definitive band for the 90's.


GAZ

    Extreme were on a British music show singing "hole hearted" live.Nuno's
    guitar sounded terrible and Gary started off sounding bad but got
    better.I wish they could've played more but they had other crap to
    show!
    
    
    
                                                Staynz

	Extreme rules!!  I can't wait for new stuff from them...

	I don't think they should have re-released 'Get The Funk Out'	
	though.  They could have released so many other good songs
	from the album but now they just re-release the most annoying
	one.....


						-Seth

	4-69.598 DUDES!!!

	I probably won't ever see extreme in concert again, because
	now they will only play big show, and all the 'More Than Words'
	bandwagoners will be there.  Just like the softball game they
	played against AAF all bndwagoners showed up...


						-Seth
					
	4-'69'.599  Dudes...  Only one more I promise...

	4-'69'.600!!!!


	Yeah!!!! okay now I am happy..... 8)    -Seth

    -1  good going, dude!
    
    Anyone heard the new Extreme single yet?  Well, the new/old Extreme
    single...it's a re-mixed version of GTFO, and AAF has really been 
    playing the "funk out" of it lately!
    
    I *still* don't like this song, and the re-mix does nothig for me.
    It's worse, if anything.  Drums, horns, and vocals are way up in the
    mix.  Guitar is down, and bass is almost in-audible!  The flanger on
    the lead solo really makes me Brrrr.
    
    I don't know what this move will do for the band career-wise, but I
    still contend a re-mixed version of Song For Love was the way to go.
    
    Buck, the opinionated  8^)

    
    
    I don't know what'll it do for them, but I do know I saw it 
    on the MTV most wanted at the #1 slot a couple times... 
    
    must be nice!

    Hey Jim.....
    
     Just kick Nuno in the head the next time you see him....
      That'll relieve alot of the tension you feel! 8)
    
       They should have went for He-man Woman Hater!
          It wouldv'e done nothing for them carrer wise but
     I think i'd be cool!
    
              NO WOMEN ALLOWED! BAM!
    
                    Frizkid
    

    
    
    I can't stand it either..  the disco drum beat is pitiful!
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

	Hey, I just heard a new song from Extreme (Well at least one
	I have never heard before).  It was on Rock Wars against
	Ozzy.  They pummeled Ozzy!!!!   Extreme with their new song
	is now the Rock Wars champ!!!!   Cool song.  I forget the
	name thought...

	It is not a song off of Porno or Extreme....So I guess it is
	new...

						-Seth

    I heard it, and had heard it was a left-over from the Prono.. sessions
    that didn't make it to the album.  It has shown up on a Japanese import.

    
    Was it something like Rest in Peace?
    
    Flip

    Was it "colour me blind" ?

	Okay, I found out what it is...    The WAAF Rock Wars champ is
	by Extreme it is called 'A Nice Place to Visit' it is the
	B side of Little Girls the single.  It has the feel of the first
	Extreme release.


							-Seth

    Congrats to Extreme....  They have been on the Billboards Top 200
    albums for one year!  This week in Rolling Stone they came up on
    the charts to 41 from 44.
    
    
    Boz

    
    
    I heard the new Extreme song on the radio last night.. something like
    "its a nice place to visit.... bla bla"
    
    I thought it stunk.  It had the same drummery/rhythmy background as
    their last released "heavy" tunes.
    
    
    Goddess F.

    RE: De la Goddesso du F-dottesso...
    
    >I heard the new Extreme song on the radio last night.. something like
    >"its a nice place to visit.... bla bla"
    
    It's not a 'new' song, it's an OLD song, re-released.  FWIW, they're
    saying "SHE'S a nice place to visit...".  The track was from the 
    pre-PorNOSEgraffitti sessions, and was released as a B-side on a single.
                                                                    

    
    
    I still think it stinks!!
    
    
    8*)
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

FWIW I like Extreme.

They put on a good concert too.   At least when they use to play
small clubs.

I know that a lot of people hate them now, just beacuse they are popular.

I still like em. 



							-Sethypooh

    
    
    I don't not like Extreme because they are popular!!  I used to see them
    live before they put out an album..  they were really cool.  Maybe they
    still are live, for all I know.   I'm just not too fond of the recorded
    material!!  8*P
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

	re:-1

	Nah, I wasn't saying that is what you thought.  I am just saying
	that is how a lot of people are.  So Thair!!! 8^P


						-Sethy

    
    Well, I've always hated Extreme. So there! 8-)

    They've gotten farther than anyone in here with music....
           They have good songs...Cool image...And a good guitarist.
    
         Sometimes I feel like giving up this finger masturbation and work
    on something of worth........
    
                     Frizkid
    

    re:-1 Not bad for a paisty-face white boy
    
                      Frizkid
    

    Try this tongue-twister out for side...
    
    
    		SUZI SELLS SEA SHELLS BY THE SEA SHORE

    ok, what's the story folks????   C+C Music factory had a world
    premier video on MTV last night.  It was a remix cover of Pride
    (In the Name Of Love) from U2.  Thelma isn't the lead singer
    on this one.  There is another girl singing but it was kind of a duo.
    What does this have to do with Extreme you ask??  Because the
    other male singer is...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    N  U  N  O!!!!!!!!    He left Exreme to go with C+C!!  
    
    only kidding, I guess it was just a special project....
    
    
    
    Huey

    
    
    
    BLECH BLECH BLECH 
    
    RETCH!!
    
    
    WTF is this world coming to!!
    
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    Nuno's joining the Rapthrax bandwagon!!!

    
    
    	RE: F.
    
    	I've heard C&C's version of Pride and it is horrible... 
    	Blecko pooey is an understatement. 
    
    	tigg~~~

    Nuno should join a better band...

    
    Nuno should join a band that has another excellent lead guitarist.
    Doing the dueling axe things with Nuno would be cool.
    
    
    
    

    
    
    Tigga, thank God I haven't watched MTV in about a month!  Talk about
    depressing!!  
    
    
    8*)
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    	I don't like U2, so I like the C+C cover.
    
    	It's got a good beat, and you can dance to it.  8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Nuno sings with that *bimbo!*??  Sorry, I can't stand
    	her.  She's got a good voice but I cringe when she tries
    	to speak.
    

    
    
    Are you sure? I saw the world premier of the video.. And I saw
    the Git player.. First thing that popped in my head was.. 
    "Hey! is that Nuno?!" then when they did a close up of him singin
    I thought for sure it was him, but as the video went on and
    got near the end, it showed him more, I don't think it was him...
    
    Did anyone hear that Nuno was suppose to do this? 

    Allright,all you H_M females who are sick of readin about what hair_
    color,some of us guys like on the top of yer heads....
    Heres one for you...
    Heard that theres a picture of Nuno half_nude with a guitar,in this 
    months"Interview"magazine....
    
    Crazy_well_if_that_turns_u_on_go_get_IT_AL    ;-)
    
    I'm too sexy for my guitar,too sexy nose sticks far..