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    HI.
    
    Did anyone watch Dave Letterman last night?  I heard somewhere in
    this file that Satch was supposed to be on it.  I missed it...
    did anyone see it and how was it?
    
    F.
    

    Yes, I watched it.  It was completely disgusting.  Letterman didn't
    have any idea who Satriani was, he didn't interview him, and Joe
    didn't get to play a whole song, just at the start and end of the
    commercial breaks with the band.
    
    His playing was excellent, what little there was.
    
    It just puts me in a rage to see Letterman spend 3/4 of the d*mn
    show with &*^$^%&% Latoya Jackson and that STUPID snake and not
    even have Joe (an incredible talant) speak or play a song.  A complete
    waste!
    
    But I hear that's pretty much par for the course with the musical
    guests.  I really haven't watched his show in about 4 years.
    
    gh

    Yes Dave Letterman asked Paul?(the band leader) What song would
    come to mind if I was to think of Joe satriani,because it looked
    like Dave had no idea of who he was. later didn't Paul? say something
    to DL while trying to explain who he was.like I'll take care of
    the Music,while you try to take care of the comedy
    
    Barney
    

    
    
    That kinda stinks...
    
    I wouldn't be surprised if Dave got alot of flak about that from
    Satch fans..
    
    F.

    
    	I liked the HM faces and poses JS was making... cool!
    
    Bk
    

    I MISSED IT?!?  Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!  The man is great.  Maybe one
    day he'll get to meet Buck.
    
    HITMAN

    I got Satch on cd, the man is Incredable.

    
     Joe, is AWSOME !!! I have not yet purchased his latest lp, but
    will soon when I have the money.
    
     I think that the song "CRUSH OF LOVE" is fascinating....This is
    one tune I definately have   C  R  A  N  K I  N  G   in my
    Truck, I can't wait to hear the other tunes that he does.
    
    He is an extoadinary guitarist...excellent. I would to see him(joe)
    and Eddie Van Halen jam together....that would be BalZ'...no doubt !!! 8-)
    
    I was listening to Bay State Rock sunday night on WAAF and they
    played a beattles tune (I can't remember at the moment...shit) by
    an other guitarist who is a joe S. copy....maybe it was joe ?????
    
      Sax   (When in doubt....just pull it Out)
    
    now I am confused....f***** 'A. ....
    
    

    RE: (back a few)...
    	The guitarist that you heard (the JS clone) might have been
    	Jeff Beck doing an instrumental cover of "She's A Woman" by
    	The Beatles.  Jeff is *NOT* a JS clone as he's been around
    	since the mid-/late-sixties and was an early rock guitar pioneer
    	and sound innovator.  There are several different things that
    	Satch does that lead me to believe he was influenced by Beck
    	(some of his sounds are really reminiscent of Beck on "Blow
    	By Blow").  Just my opinion.
    
    	joe.

    Well, I went back through my tape last night and watched the few
    seconds of Satrianis playing through Lettermans show (carefully
    fast forwarding over Latoya Jackson, so as not to be 'infected').
    
    Joe is an awesome player!  Some of the things he played showed a
    lot of versatility.  Even those few seconds made me smile!  I love
    to listen to a musician like that.
      
    re: Joe M.
    
    I think I remember reading an interview with Satriani where he said
    that Beck was one of his favorites.
    
    gh

    
    
    	RE. 8
    		I think the song in question is "While My Guitar Gently
    		 Weeps" the player of the sogng is Vinnie Moore
    
    	M
    	 B

         
    re:while my guitar...
        
    That tune is brilliant - in my opinion George Harrison's greatest
    tune.                                                  
    
    -Tony

    I hate to say it, but I agree with Pete. 8^)
    I've got Surfin', but the new song sounds like it came
    off the same album... not very exciting stuff.
    He's a great guitarist IMO, but I enjoy Jeff Beck's music more,
    and I'd rather listen to Al Dimeola.
    
    later/Motorbreath

    
    
    The Joe Satriani clone playing a Beatles' song that everyone is trying 
    to think of, is probably from a Boston band.  Didn't .8 say the song 
    was heard on a Bay State Rock (or whatever) show?  And there's an
    album out now called something like "Boston Does the Beatles".  It's
    local bands covering Beatles' songs.  So keep guessing.         
                                                  
    
    Paul

    
    
    Classical Shmassical -- Satch is a great guitarist, I love the album
    and I hope he keeps giving us more. 
    
    the Night_Prowler ....

      RE: 14
    
     YES ! 8-)   that is it...Vinnie Moore....that was great....doesn't
    he sound like Joe ?
    
    Thx for clearing the cobwebbs out of ma head..
    
    Sax
    

    
     Maybe it wasn't vinnie moore...yea it had to be, but It was on
    bay state rock ?!?!?
    
    Maybe it was that local boston beatles band that was mentioned.
    
    Sax ----who needs a drink----
    

       RE: all  
    
     Well, Boy I needed that ....
    
     I played back the tape I made the other night of BAY STATE ROCK
    
     I am no longer confused......( and the crowd roooooorrrs''' )
    
      It is not Vinnie Moore who is the joe "sound alike" but
    
       it was the band "Boston does the Beattles". The tune is "while
    my guitar gently weeps". The person who is playing this on his guitar
    is no other but  
    
                    Mr.  Lenni Gardino
    
        SAX ( When your number's up....your Number's Up !! )
    
    
    
    

    
    
    The album is called "boston does the beatles" and the group is called
    lenni gardino & carms pick.
    
     or was I right in the previous note.
    
    Sax
    

    Actually, I'd feel very good if someone said that I sounded like
    a Satriani clone...
    
    Never heard of the guy you mentioned, I presume he's a New England
    local?
    
    gh

    Any individual living in the Boston, MA area has had the privelege
    to see Joe 3 times in the last year and a half.
    
    I photographed Joe first at the Channel, then again at the Paradise.
    (if you're in front of the stage, he just stands right in
    front of you while you're snappin' shots) His third show here was
    at the Berklee School of music, where his touring drummer, Jonathon
    Mover, played a hometown show. (I understand that Jonathon attended
    Berklee)
    
    The crush of love EP, is great, but I prefer the flip side of the
    vinyl, with Jonathon, and Stuart Hamm on bass. Stu is amazing...
    As a three piece effort, with no vocals, the record is stunning.
    If Joe ever comes to your town, see him. You won't regret it.
    If you can see him in a small club, double your effort to attend.

    If you live in NY city, invite Mr. Letterman to join you.
    
    One small note, Joe was originally billed as, "the man who taught
    Steve Vai how to play". I heard that Joe hails from the north
    shore of Long Island, NY. (Great Neck?) Can anyone confirm it?
    Does that insinuate that Steve Vai is from Long Island as well?
    Didn't Steve play for Frank Zappa at one time? Joe never played
    with Zappa, did he? I have heard that in 1988, Steve Vai jumped up
    on stage with Joe & Jonathon & Stu... rumor has it, at least twice.
    
    Good gawd, imagine drumming for Joe S. & Steve V., at the same time?
    Ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh my gawwwddd...................
    
    								Face.

    I heard that Joe hails from the north shore of Long Island, NY. 
    (Great Neck?) Can anyone confirm it?
    
    Yup, dat be da place
    
    >Does that insinuate that Steve Vai is from Long Island as well?
    
    Uh huh...some speculate that is something in the water supply that
    churns out those guitar freaks  :^)
    
    >Didn't Steve play for Frank Zappa at one time? Joe never played
    >with Zappa, did he? 
    
    Vai play with Zappa just after he got out of Berzeklee.  (18 years
    old).  Berklee has all his recital tapes in the library...he was
    more amazing at 18 than thestuff he's doing with DLR now....listen
    to those tapes...no question in your mind why he got the Zappa gig.
    Joe Satch never played with Zappa.
    
    >I have heard that in 1988, Steve Vai jumped up on stage with Joe & 
    >Jonathon & Stu... rumor has it, at least twice.
    
    Not heard of that...quite possible though.
    
    I wish DLR had let Joe open for the ROTH tour instead of Posion. It was
    in the planning, but DLR didn't think Joe would `draw'. If I was Vai
    I'd tell him to go F himself.
    
     

    >>I have heard that in 1988, Steve Vai jumped up on stage with Joe & 
    >>Jonathon & Stu... rumor has it, at least twice.
    
    >Not heard of that...quite possible though.
     
    I seem to remember a photo in Guitar Player of Joe and Steve on
    stage together.  It wasn't that long ago, maybe last summer or fall.
    So, I'm pretty sure he did, at least once.
    
    gh

    Joe Satriani has a new song on the soundtrack for the (at this point
    unreleased) film "Say Anything".  I just heard it on the radio.
    It's more of a basic rockin' song than most of the previous material,
    and IMO (from having heard it all of once...) was that it was neither
    as emotional or as creative as the majority of his work.
      
    Still good to know he's working on new material!
    
    gh

    I heard 2 cuts by him on the radio coming in to work last night.
    They didn't give any info about it but it was definitely Satch !
    I'd love to get a copy of this soundtrack or4 whatever it is with
    these cuts.  I've turned into a Satriani junkie ...
    
    
    				Scary

    
        WBCN played a new Satriani song last night ... but they didn't
        say what it was or whether there was an album.  I know it was
        him though.
    
        One thing bugs me about the song ... it sounded familiar, so
        I started humming "Surfin' ..." along with whatever the song
        was - and all the lead/solo changes matched up perfectly!!
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Shawn,
    If they didn't say anything about it, then how do you know it was
    new?  Maybe it WAS from one of his previous albums...
    
    Steve O

Satch has a new song out that is on some soundtrack, although I don't 
remember which movie it was.....

cat

    Its from the movie Say Anything...I personally don't think its real
    reminiscent of Surfin myself.  

    But being a Satch junkie I wanna hear ANYTHING new from him !
    
    
    			Surfin' With A Carolinian ...

Heard on the radio a new track from Joe's new LP. 

The LP is called something like "Flying the Blue Dream" and the track I've heard
is a excelent and classic Blues with (and that's new) some voice on it. I don't 
know who sings (may be him) but it's good. The song was called "Big, bad moon"
and it reminds me an old tune from "Canned Heat" (sp?)

Didier

    Is it released yet, if not any idea when?
    
    Tony
    

    I posted this in GUITAR yesterday but...
    
    I received my first Satriani tape (Dreaming #11) for my birthday
    yesterday.  This guy is incredible!
    
    From reading this note, it looks like Jeff Beck is another name I
    should check out.  Who else does guitar-based, instrumental rock like
    this?
    
    Thanks,
    Mike

    
    	If u want guitar-based, get some Santana ... pick up "Great-
    	est Hits" if u can find it.  This guy cooks!!  "Hope You're
    	Feeling Better" is my favorite.
    
    	And also get Satriani's "Surfin' with the Alien" ... I'd rec-
    	ommend it before "Dreaming #11".
    
    							GTI
    

    re:-1
    
    Yeah, a song called Europa is the gnads (by Santana...)
    
    jc

    I like Not of This Earth by Satch ions better than Surfing...

    If you want to listen to another good guitarist check out 
    Jason Becker who has an album called "perpetual son".
    
    
    				SRi

    Uh, Becker's album is called _Perpetual BURN_.  Personally, ther eis so
    many arpeggios and fast scales I CAN'T listen to it!!!  His partner in
    crime, Marty Freidman, also has a solo lp called _Dragon's Kiss_. 

>    From reading this note, it looks like Jeff Beck is another name I
>    should check out.  Who else does guitar-based, instrumental rock like
>    this?

Well, besides all these current speed demons everyone is recommending, I would 
also suggst you check out a couple 'classics'. 

Jeff Beck's 'Blow by Blow' and 'Wired' ablums laid a lot of groundwork for 
future guitarist. These are both instrumental.

Ronnie Montrose ("Town Without Pity") also did some nice stuff, as does Carlos 
Santana ('Moonflower' is a nice live/best of album). These have both 
instrumental and vocal tracks on them.

Richie Blackmore does some real nice stuff, but I can't think of any one album 
to recommend getting. Most of the good stuff is scattered through tons of 
rubbish on the Rainbow albums.

Allan Holdsworth is also very good, although I'm not as familiar with his 
stuff as I am with the previous ones I mentioned. I have 'Metal Fatigue' and I 
enjoy that a lot.

I'm not sure if these guys are what you are looking for, but I thought I'd 
mention them just for your info....

cat

    
    	Oh yeah - "Ten Years After" with Alvin Lee on lead.
    
    	I don't know how the new album is, but get "Recorded Live"
    	and I'm sure u won't be disappointed.
    
    	[These replies are gonna be moved very soon.]
    
    							GTI
    

    re: Buck

    Why you do like Not of this Earth better then Surfin..?  (not
    criticizing your opinion, just curious)

    re: Mike

    Second on Alan Holdsworth, very good instrumental guitar work.  Be
    prepared though, it's esoteric jazz.  He's really into dissonant
    harmonies which I love, but a lot of people can't deal with it.  As a
    player, you have to respect his style and chops though.

    Steve Morse has at least two albums of instrumental music, but it's
    pretty mellow.

    I love the instrumental stuff Jeff Beck did.  In addition to the ones
    Alan mentioned, the live one with Jan Hammer is pretty good too.

    For melodic instrumental jazz, nobody tops Larry Carlton in my book.

    Greg

    re: Housemeister
    
    Well, Not of this Earth is compositionally way superior to Surfing,
    and I think Joe was more creative on the first lp.  The songs have
    more vicious grooves, and more manic soloing.  Surfing was good,
    but a lo of it sounded the same to moi ...not that it wasn't good,
    it was, but Not of blows it away.

>    Second on Alan Holdsworth, very good instrumental guitar work.  Be
>    prepared though, it's esoteric jazz.  He's really into dissonant
>    harmonies which I love, but a lot of people can't deal with it.  As a
>    player, you have to respect his style and chops though.
>
>    For melodic instrumental jazz, nobody tops Larry Carlton in my book.
    
    Keaggy, recognizes both of the above as influences and I've heard him
    single out their styles in his songs.  I think I would like AH.  I 
    recently bought LC's "On Solid Ground".
    
    What about SRV or Jeff Healy?  I love blues too.  I guess I'm just a
    musical slut :-)
    
    Mike
    

    re: Buck
    
    Makes sense.  I think that I liked Surfing... a little better because
    it had more energy, more fire in a lot of the songs.  Not of... seemed
    quite a bit more subdued to me.  My favorite Satriani song (Rubina) is
    on that one though. 
    
    >What about SRV or Jeff Healy?  I love blues too.  I guess I'm just a
    >musical slut :-)
    
    I like them too, but they don't really do much instrumental work. (thot
    that was what we were talking about here)  Most instrumental blues tend
    to get boring to me.
    
    Greg

         
    Marty Freidman roolz ! 
                                              
    You can actually LISTEN to that stuff, its not just an overload
    of harmonic minor scales, classically ripped off arppeggios or 
    an over-indulgance in Mach-2 sweep picking.
    
    Give him a listen.
    
    -Tony

    I bought the new issue of "Guitar World".  Satch was the cover feature
    and the interview was all about his new LP "Flying in a Blue Dream".
    They also included a little flexi-disc that has a song from the new album
    called "The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing".
    
    Sounds pretty good!  It is a little different from his other material
    that I've heard, but I still like it.
    
    The interview states that he does most of his work on a 4 track.  He
    uses an Alesis HR16, a modified black Ibanez 540R (custom neck, DiMarzio
    PAF pickups, and bent whammie bar).  His other Ibanez has EMGs.  His
    acoustic is a Yamaha APX, and his banjo is a Deering (strat 6 string
    banjo).  For bass he plays a Ibanez SRO5 into Stu Hamm's Fender
    Sidekick amp.  
    
    Satch's amps: 3 Marshall 100w heads ('68 Super Bass Head, '79 Mark II
    lead, new Jubilee series model).  Cabs are Marshall 4x12's with 25w
    speakers.  Also, a Fender Princeton Reverb, Roland JC120, Mesa/Boogie
    Quad Preamp (right into the board).  He doesn't record with the amps
    and uses the 2 or 3 setting.
    
    Effects: Boss distortion, Chandler Tube driver, CryBaby wah-wah, Scholz
    Rockman (for clean), TC Electronics 2290 and DigiTech's IPS33 (Smart
    Shift).
    
    Mike

    Flying in a Blue dream is due out in early November (in the UK)
    - he is singing on six of the tracks.
    
    Flip

    I heard one song from the new one on the radio a few days ago.  It's
    called "Big Bad Moon".  A little different then his earlier material. 
    It's more like a straight ahead blues based rock song (complete with
    vocals).  Kind of cool, but maybe a little disappointing for me.
    
    Gh

    I took that flexi-disc out of Guitar World ("Mystical Potato Head
    Groove Thing") and recorded it onto the big blank space on side 1 of 
    "Dreaming #11".
    
    I really like this tune!  It is sort of a bluesy cut.  The "Groove"
    part has to come from the rhythm guitar.  Not very complex, it is
    about 6 seconds looped into a delay throughout the song.  The leads are
    hot!
    
    Mike

    
    Satriani's new album will be on the Music For NAtions label in the UK
    and Relativity in the US.
    
    Flip

        Listened to the new Satriani tape last night and it was very
     interesting.  I'm not sure yet that I liked it but I only listened
     to it once.

        Let's see .... each cut was very different than the next.  My
     fav so far was "Phone Call" or Get off the Phone".  Something along
     those lines.

        Definately going to give it another listen though.

        Vicki

    
    	Yeah, I've got it playing now.  It's very different from
    	"Surfin'", but it's good.  It'll take a few listens to
    	make a valid judgment.
    
    	I like "Big Bad Moon" and "One Big Rush" the best so far.
    
    							GTI
    

>    	Yeah, I've got it playing now.  It's very different from
>    	"Surfin'", but it's good.  It'll take a few listens to
>    	make a valid judgment.

	Shawn, 

        That's kind of what I thought!  It was playing kind of in the
     background and I kept having to ask if it was the same tape.  The songs
     are all so different.  Wish I knew the names of the songs.  One had a
     sort of Van Halen sound to it and another was real funky ... definately
     interesting.

        Vicki

    How do you like the "Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing"?  
    
    Mike

    
    >I've only heard the song "Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing".  Cool
    >song!
    
    
    	I went back and listened to it again, and you're right ...
    	great stuff!!  That's the Satriani I like.
    
    							Shawn L.
    

    
    The new Joe shreds...
    
    Case closed...
    
    killer CD
    
    gk

    I got it this weekend - listened to it all several times and it
    still hasn't worn a groove in my brain yet.  I think hearing vocals
    screws it up a bit, but there are still some tasty passages on this
    CD .... time will tell ..... in the mean time ...
    
    
    	                 S H U T   U P   J O E    !!!!!
                         +++++++   +++   +++++    +++++
    
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Yeah, he sings about as good as I do after eating a bowl of beans...
    
    
    prprprbfbfbfbftttttssssssssssssssssss
    
    plug your nose!!!

    I just got it this weekend too and have only been able to listen to it
    once all the way through.  Same old Satriani to me...and that's great,
    'cause I love his playing.
    
    His singing isn't anything to thrill yer little heart, but it's not
    that bad.  I like the words to some of the songs.  I don't think they
    get in the way at all.
    
    Gh

    
    	I have "Not of this Earth", and after one listen I think
    	I like "Surfin' ..." alot better.  More upbeat, ya know?
    
    	"Driving at Night" is more along the lines of "Surfin' ...",
    	and "Headless Horseman" is good.
    
    	Even his slower stuff is good though - the way he taste-
    	fully combines real good guitar work with a laid-back song
    	is quite impressive.
    
    							GTI
    

    re: Not of this Earth .vs. Surfing with the Alien
    
    It all depends on what you're listening for.  If you're looking for
    blazing instrumental rock, you'll probably like Surfing better.  NotE
    is tastefully understated, has more mellow arrangements for the most
    part.
    
    Give it a chance, Not of this Earth is one that REALLY grows on you
    over time.  The music is VERY emotional, if you can get into it.
    
    They're both compositionally superior, and both contain outstanding
    performances.  I like them both (and Blue Dream...), but for different
    reasons. 
    
    My favorite Satriani song, "Rubina", is on NotE.  It's named after his
    wife and it's beautiful.
    
    Greg

    Agreed ... all 3 albums are quite different. I got "Surfing .."
    first, then "Not of ..".  I was expecting everything to sound like
    "Surfing" and was temporarily disappointed at first.  It took a
    while, but all 3 have grown on me in different ways.
    
    
    				Scary

    I got "Not of..." first and was blown away by the emotion that Satriani
    is able to convey with his music.  That's one that that I always enjoy
    hearing. 
    
    After that I got "Surfing.." and was blown away by the chops and the
    energy.
    
    Then I got "Blue Dream" and was impressed with the creativity in some
    of the songs.  I even like his vocals...  (although from reading notes,
    it would seem that I'm the only one that does).
    
    Looking forward to more good music from Satch over the years!
    
    Greg
    

>    My favorite Satriani song, "Rubina", is on NotE.  It's named after his
>    wife and it's beautiful.
    
    I concur!  When I first heard it, you could almost feel the emotion
    behind that song.  When I found it what his wife's name is, it really
    hit home.
    
    Mike

    	Satch tomorrow at the Orpheum.  If anyone is going and didn't
    see "Surfin'.." watch for Joe to ignite the place with some blazing
    guitar work!  Hamm will probably do a 15 minute bass solo (he's
    really good, has a couple of great albums out!).  I can't wait to
    see Joe, it's been a while.  8^)
    
    sean

    Did it sell out?  How big is the Orpheum anyway (thousands)?  He sold
    out here in about a weeks time.  The place only holds about 5K-7K
    though.  Does he always play small arenas?
    
    Mike

	I'm pretty sure the thing sold out in a couple of hours.  It
    only seats around 1800 (someone correct me if I'm wrong).  Everything
    sells out around here.  Too many musicians!!! 8^)
    	He played the Orpheum for the Aliens... tour too.  It was right
    when the album came out and hardly anyone knew who he was (except
    musicians).                                        
    	I think he only plays small places.  Better sound!!
    
    sean

    He certainly seems to be playing the small places.  The place he
    played in Denver only seats a couple of thousand.  It sold out VERY
    quickly.
    
    Perhaps he prefers the intimacy of the smaller venues, I've read
    interviews where some artists have said that.  His music is very
    intimate, so that would seem to fit, at least in my mind.  
    
    I would say that he's probably losing money by not playing larger
    places though, because there's definately a lot more demand if he's
    selling out everywhere.  I doubt he's overly concerned about that
    though, doesn't seem to fit with how I perceive his personality.
    
    gh

    	The Satriani show at the Orpheum on Friday was a classic!  The
    three piece band composed of Joe, Stuart and Jonathan started out
    with a blazing rendition of "Flying in a Blue Dream", which quickly
    kicked into a great sounding version of "Ice 9".  
    	The show had a great pace, and the light show was pretty decent.
    Joe played the acoustic version of "I Believe", then whipped out
    his gold Ibanez and played "Circles".  Before the solos came around
    he also played "Crush of Love" off "Dreaming #11".  Stuart did a
    basic 15 minute solo like before, doing a jazzy version of the Peanuts
    Theme Song that got the crown going.  Jonathan's drum solo really
    impressed me.  He was very tight and didn't miss a beat while adding
    some interesting fillers, etc.  Joe's solo was patent "god like"
    and after that they kicked into "Mystical Potato Head Grove Thing".
    	After playing a couple more songs of "Not of this Earth" and
    "Flying..." they came back out for a blinding (literally!) encore
    of "Surfing with the Alien" and "Always...".
    
    	Great great great great show, IMO.  Can't wait to see Joe again!!
    
    sean

    re: .-1
    
    Wow!  Sounds like your show was significantly different then the one he
    did here.
    
    He didn't do any acoustic stuff, no gold Ibanez (the black one he
    drew on, a white one, and a plain black one), no SOLO... 
    
    Wish I could have seen that one too!  I'm also looking forward to
    seeing him again.
    
    Greg
                     

    Yeah but are we gonna have to wait for another album to see him again?
    
    Mike

Mike/Greg
    
    	Yeah probably... Hopefully he'll make a new album soon (this
    tour must almost be done, no?).  I'm not sure what to expect from
    him next after Blue Dream though...
    
    sean

>    	Yeah probably... Hopefully he'll make a new album soon (this
>    tour must almost be done, no?).  I'm not sure what to expect from
  

No, no please. He is announced in my place for the 14th of June.

Yeahhhhhh ! I can't wait.

I hope it's not gonna be yet another cancelled concert

Didier "Still psyched of such a fantastic news" 

    	June, huh?  Yeah he must be going on a world tour then...  Don't
    miss him!!!!  Hopefully Stuart and Jonathan will continue to tour
    with him.  
    
    sean

    	Wow.. I need a quick question answered.  My friend finally got
    a copy of Surfin' but he doesn't have the song titles.  I don't
    have the album on hand and couldn't remember all of them.  Could
    someone fill in the blanks/correct what I have?  Thanks.
    
    1. Surfing with the Alien
    2. Ice 9
    3. Crushing Day
    4. Always with me... Always with you
    5.
    6. Hill of the Skull
    7. Circles
    8. Lords of Karma   --
    9. Midnight          |-- not sure of order here..
    10. Echoes          --                           
    
    sean

    -1  #5 is Satch Boogie!

    	Thanks dude.  I was driving myself crazy thinking about it.
    I hope I have the order of the last 3 songs right...  8^)

    I have the tape with me at work.  You have them all right.
    
    EVH once said in a Guitar World interview that "Satch Boogie" sounds
    like early Van Halen.
    
    It does, but without the mistakes ;-)

    Yep, Eddie does play kinda loose ... but that's Eddie.
    
    Scary (very loose ...)

    
    Any noters know when and where Joe is playing in the UK. I've heard
    it's supposed to be late May/early June ?
    
    Bought 'Flying in a Blue Dream' a few months ago after seeing his video
    of 'Big Bad Moon' on 'Raw Power'. I was initally surprised at the range
    of stuff/styles on the CD but after a few plays really like it. Still
    like 'Big Bad Moon' the best but really like 'I believe' and the fast
    guitar tracks. The album is great for driving too, came down the M1
    yesterday with it blaring out.........I just have to change gear and
    put 'the pedal to the metal' when some tracks come on (hope the cops
    like Joe............)
    
    Tony 
    

    
    He's also playing one date at Hamersmith Odoen, but its sold out.

    re: last two
    
    Cheers for the info, Hammersmith sounded great (living just outside
    Reading) until I read the ticket status........
    
    Tony

    
    Try the Hammersmith box office - they *may* have some cancelation
    tickets going.                             
    
    Cheers,
    -Tony       

    	Check this out, the Globe ran a small fine print lineup for
    Foxboro shows this summer and it looks like Joe Satriani is opening
    up for David Bowie... 
    
    sean 

                              
    That would be a cool show!

    this man is awsome,a breath of fresh air in a minefield of crap.i'll be 
    there on 28th at th barrowlands.
    

    The gig at the Barrowlands was ....   *GREAT*!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                 
    The Drummer - 10/10 (Jonathon Mover I think)
    
    The Bass - 12/10 (the solo spot he did made me think about selling
    the LP)
    
    The Satch - His magnificent self
    
    One question - who was the support band.  They were already on by
    the time I got in???
    
    BONZO - who will never be the same again - must have lost 10 pounds
    in the heat!
    
    

> The Bass - 12/10 (the solo spot he did made me think about selling
>    the LP)

Stuart Hamm.  You're right, he's incredible.
    
>    One question - who was the support band.  They were already on by
>    the time I got in???

Don't know who's on it, but when he toured the US the backup band was 
"Stevie Salas Color Code", a three piece with a black guitar player/singer, 
a white bass player with blonde dreadlocks, and a black drummer.  Played
kind of a hard rock groove sort of music.  Sound like the same band?

Greg
 

    Nope, wasn't the same band!  But thanks for the i/p Greg.
    
    Anyone else seen the Satch in the UK, and who might know who the
    support act was????
    
    B

    I bought "Flying in a Blue Dream" while on vacation.  I have only
    listened to part of it (side 1 once), but Joe's voice sounds a little
    like Paul Simon at times (IMO).
    
    Mike

    "Me and Satchmo down by the school yard !" ..... Wagagaga !
    
    Scary

    RE.101
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
    
    /Motorbreath

    Doesn't take much to out perform Mick Jagger and look at all the $$$ he
    made!
    
    I can sing better than Mick when I rise in the morning after a tough
    night!  Satch is a nightingale compared to him.
    
    Mike

    I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE HAS HEARD OF A RELEASE DATE FOR JOE'S NEW
    ALBUM "THE EXTREMEST". I LOVE EVERYTHING JOE HAS PUT OUT SO FAR AND I
    CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR MORE.                                             
    
    
                              BLEEDING FINGERS
                              

    Satch's next album *better* be outstanding !   With folks like Eric
    Johnson, Vai, and Blues Saraceno putting out some jems, he's got a big
    job to do.  I think he pretty much fell on his face with "... Blue
    Dream".
    
    Jerry

    I also enjoyed Flying in a Blue Dream at least as much as Joe's other
    albums.  It wasn't quite as "immediately accessable", but it grew on me
    after a few listens and I think the material on that one is easily as
    strong as on the other two.  I didn't even mind his voice, even though
    a lot of people wanted to slam him for putting it on there.
    
    I don't see this as a competation, y'know?  I mean, Joe can put out an
    album which I love, and Steve can, and Blues can, and whoever.  Just
    because I like one of them doesn't mean I won't like the others.
    
    gh

I still can't listen to Blue Dreams first couple of tracks without
loosing MUCHO sleep !!

jc

You know what I'm talking about ??  Just that whole beginning of that
tunes sends chills right THRU me !!  It gets goin' in my head and I
can't shut it out !!

    I wouldn't think there'd be any competition between Vai and Satch. 
    It'd be stoopid, because there are *so* many guitarists around that
    could wax 'em both.  
    
    I wasn't saying FIABD was a flop, it just didn't grab me straight outta
    the gate like SWTA did.  If ya put the CD on, and program a few cuts
    out of it, it's a smokin' piece o' work.
    
    I've been listening to NOTW a lot lately ... "Driving At Night" is a
    monster ..
    
    Jerry

    What time do you normally wake up ?   8^)
    
    RE: hand speed ...
    Get serious, the world is *FULL* of guys with blistering speed - hell,
    there are a number of guys that note in this conference that could make
    those 2 guys raise an eyebrow or 2.  Speed isn't their strong point
    though, so it really doesn't matter ... both of these guys know that
    speed only impresses guitar players, and fortunately, the world is made
    up of lots of other folks.  Their phrasing sets them above the zillion
    other fretboard burners ...
    
    I'm not taking *anything* away from either one of them - I love their
    work, and will be waiting in line when Satch's next release hits the
    stores (just like I was with "Flying" ...).
    
    Jerry  

    
    	Yeah, Michelangelo from Nitro can BURN up the fret board, but
    	that's all he can do.  Gets very repititious after awhile.
    
    							GTI

    Thankyou ... counldn't remember the guys name.  
    
    

    I've got a CD of his where he does "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" ...
    pretty quick indeed.  Boring CD though ...
    
    Jerry

    I like the Impelliterri CD with "Somewhere Over The Rainbow".
    Stand In Line and Since You've Been Gone are the notable rockers.
    But I agree, the guy can't play!                               
    

    
    	Impellitteri doesn't bother me as much as Graham Bonnett does.
    
    	Geez, what a boring voice he has!!
    
    							GTI

    i don't think Chris embellished the melody enough on the guitar though
    it got quite boring after a while.  And the solo section does not fit
    with the rest of the tune.

    BINGO !

    Given that almost everyone that's responded to your note is an
    accomplished guitar player, I'd say they already know which hand Joe
    uses to pick with...
    
    Lighten up a little, there are lots of picking monsters out there.  A
    lot of the stuff Steve Morse would send Vai and Satch both back to the
    woodshed for awhile to get the picking right on.
    
    gh

    If he's got a half a clue as to what the masses want, he'll steer clear
    of a "boy, I sure can play fast, can't I ?" type of album.  The world's
    full of hot dogs.  My guess, is that he'll follow *very* closely to
    FIABD, a few songs with vocals, maybe a *little* rougher edge, but not
    much.
    
    Jerry

    Well, the masses would like "Surfing With The Alien" II, III, IV, etc.
    
    But, since FIABD was a semi-success commercially, don't think that the
    producers won't want a few tunes on the next album that can "safely" be
    played on the radio, ala "I Believe" and "Big Bad Moon".  I didn't care
    too much for FIABD at first, but it's just now starting to grow on me.
    
    Jerry

>    You can' MIDI a Marshall stack!
    
    You can with the new 30th Anniversity model...
    
    gh

    
    
    
    
    Steve Morse is a monster at picking, but if the issue is "speed alone"
    I'm not sure that he is faster than anyone else.
    
    What I am sure of is that his picking is certainly far more versatile
    than anyone else I know of.
    
    That is to say, I'm not sure if he can play an PARTICULAR thing any
    faster than a zillion other guys, but I would bet heavily that he
    can play MORE things faster than anyone else.
    
    He's amazing at string jumps and stuff like that.  He can cross pick
    a lot of stuff that other guys can only sweep.
    
    Fortunately, like Vai and Satch, speed isn't the goal but it's one
    of the means to get to the goal.
    
    I hope the era of putting down players who play fast is over.  I got
    tired of hearing the cliches about that.  It got to a point that in
    GUITAR notes where you asked anyone question about technique for speed
    and half a dozen guys would come in spouting cliches about "taste".
    
    I even bet someone once that if I mentioned speed I'd get at least
    three notes admonishing me to first learn to play with class, and
    yes,  I won that bet.
    
    There is nothing wrong with speed.  It's a very effective method for
    injecting energy into music.
    
    Yes, some people use it as a sorta "crutch", but too many people hear a
    string of 16th notes and immediately dismiss it as "lacking taste".

    
    
    JOE'S ALBUM COMES OUT JUNE 23RD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    PSYCHE.

    see p_n!

    There is a good interview with Joe in this month's Guitar World
    magazine.  He talks about the problems he had doing his new album "The
    Extremist" and they discuss some of the songs on the album.  He said
    that this album is more "feel" oriented, then "technique" oriented. 
    
    I'm sure it still displays superior technique...
    
    gh 

    But only when he's playing the banjo.
    
    gh

    
    Joe Satriani - The Extremist gets released on June 21

    >    Joe Satriani - The Extremist gets released on June 21
    
    Hmmm... not too many albums released on a Sunday.

    They usually are released on Tuesdays!

    
    Correction, I believe that should read July, not June. My mistake.

    I have the new issue of guitar world and so far have had no luck
    finding where it says the release date for "The Extremest". Is it in
    the article or somewhere else in the magazine. Could you give me a page
    number that it's on.
    
                         Bleeding Fingers

    
    	Hi!!
    
    	Yup!!
    
    							GTI

    LA Station Pirate Radio 100.3 FM just received a copy of of the new
    CD., and played a cut called "Summer Song". Just in time for summer!
    Nothing spectacular, classic Joe, kind of mellow. Confirmed release
    date of July 21st, and mentioned a world tour in the works.
    
    Oooh, another tremor! Never a dull moment in So. Cal!
    
    Bob

    Alright!

Just picked up `The Extremist' ... fresh off the UPS truck !  The initial 
review ...

10 tracks, weighing in at 47:55 ...

Just my opinion now, I expect a lot of folks to take this effort in different 
ways.  I *loved* NOTW and SWTA, didn't care too much for FIABD ... and this 
smells a lot (to me) like SWTA and NOTW.

I'll grade each cut from 1 to 10, 10 being the highest ...


1 - FRIENDS  (3:27):  It has a sort of `anthem' feel to it.  Makes ya wanna 
	stand up and salute *something*.  
	RATING - 6

2 - THE EXTREMIST  (3:42):  The sitar's back, as is the harmonica !  Pretty 
	solid tune.  
	RATING - 7

3 - WAR  (5:46):  MERCY !  Pounding mystical riff.  By far, the beast on 
	this CD.  Great breaks, etc, blah, blah.  
	RATING - 11

4 - CRYIN'  (5:42):  Very pretty little ditty.  If Satch never admitted to 
	be a closet Beck fan, then this tune would surely blow his cover.
	RATING - 8

5 - RUBINA'S BLUE SKY HAPPINESS  (6:10):  Acoustic drivel.  Don't slam me, 
	but it sounds like the `highland' stuff that Steve Morse likes to 
	do.  Made me wanna eat a bar of Irish Spring.  It mixes pretty 
	acoustic work with slow driving electric accompanied passages.
	RATING - 5

6 - SUMMER SONG  (4:52):  Roll the top down.  Load up the cooler with 
	Corona.  Put on a condom, things might get ugly.  Very reminiscent
	if `Surfing ...'.  
	RATING - 8

7 - TEARS IN THE RAIN  (1:16):  Classical piece.  Very well executed.  For
	those of you planning on dubbing this to a 90 minute cassette, then
	this is the tune to omit.
	RATING - 7

8 - WHY  (4:45):  Real funky, but it probably has the hottest lead passages
	of the whole CD.
	RATING - 8

9 - MOTORCYCLE DRIVER  (4:56):  Still got the top down ?  Well put it up 
	and roll up the windows.  This tune cranks.  It has a VanHalen_ish
	groove to it, and it's definitely in the wind.  I'd put this as the 
	#2 burner on the CD.
	RATING - 8

10 - NEW BLUES  (6:55):  Kinda hard to get into this one.  It's slow and 
	drifty.  I was losing interest, but about half way through (2:20), 
	it transforms into a rock solid groove.  It unfortunately doesn't 
	stay there very long.
	RATING - 7


Jerry

    Hmm, there seems to be an echo on the net today ...
    
    Scare'

    I dunno... on first listen, nothing really struck me, not even "War".
    
    But that's not uncommon for me.

    Surfin' is programmed so well that it at times you think of the tunes
    as being different parts of the same song.
    
    I listened to it yesterday trying to pay attention to when the track
    number on the CD player changed.  
    
    But I still "don't get" the new album.  To me, a lot of the songs just
    sound like run-off-the-mill Varney stuff.  I'll keep listening though.

    Sounds like he's rippin' off last release to me...

    
    	I picked this up Saturday night, and have listened to it 1 1/2
    	times so far.  Not bad, but not incredible.  Definitely not up
    	to par with "Surfin' ...", nor "Flying ...".
    
    	But "War", "Summer Song" and "Motorcycle Driver" are good.
    
    							GTI

    No. Sorry, guilty as charged!   I love Joe Satriani, but that one song
    is really weak, IMO.  I'll definitely pick up the album before I pass
    judgment.  
    
    'pril

    I heard SUmmer SOng today.  Ya know what?  The intro is a total rip off
    of Night Ranger's _You Can Still Rock in Amercia_ (including the Brad
    Gillis harmonics)!!
    
    Wasn't impressed...I agree it sounds like Joe just jamming.

    
    	After the second listen through, I'm starting to be impressed.
    	"War", "Summer Song", "New Blues", "Motorcycle Driver", "Why"
    	and a couple others I forgot the name of are getting better
    	the more I hear them.
    
    							GTI
    

    I'm glad that I'm not the only who had a "eh" reaction to this album.
    At the point I wrote my "eh" review, it was the first review that cast
    the album as anything less than superlative.
    
    Buck had pretty much the same reaction I had: "Joe Jamming".  To me,
    it puts the album in the pack with what must now be about 3 dozen
    "Varney guys".  I expect MUCH better than that from Joe.

    Interesting ... I've been listening to a LOT of ol' Joe these days. 
    He's PLENTY fast, but it seems like he just screams in short spurts,
    unlike Vai who can burn for days, and days, and days ..... as can
    Morse.
    
    Cool club name though .... 8^)

    RE:-1
    
    Do you note in your sleep often ?  Neat trick ...
    
    Scary

    "keep dreamin'" perhaps?

    Value differences a little, OK ?  Joe, Steve, Eric (both of 'em) all
    roool in one way or another.  Even Neil Young has his niche.  Just gets
    old hearing folks slam musicians just because they don't play like
    their heroes.  
    
    Jerry

    AMEN!
           Friz
    

    > Anybody can do hammer-ons and pick trills, I agree,...
    
    I agree too.  That's why Vai and Satch do those while Morse picks
    every note.  ;-)
    
    You need to buy some Morse albums dude.
    
    	db

    > Tell ya what...I'll keep listening to my heroes and you old f@rts
    > can have this stoopid Satch conference...
    
    Deal.
    
    ;-)

    Ahh....Another satisfyed customer!!! Are you related to KellyP? 8)
    
     C'mon....Everybody has an opinion! If you can't live with it maybe you
    shouldn't be in here. It's a lesson that was hard for me to learn
    too...
    
           Friz
    

    Sheesh ... thought he'd never go away ... 8^)
    
    Yo db ... I finally got a chance to listen/dub some Morse stuff.  I
    grabbed "High Tension Wires" which was *fair*, "Coast To Coast" which
    blistered, and one by the Dixie Dregs, "Freefall" I think.  The guy's
    got chops, no doubt.  I think his stuff is aimed at a smaller audience,
    similar to Eric Johnson, whereas Satch is more commercial.  Heaven
    knows what Vai's after ... 8^)

    re: .198
    
    "High Tension Wires" is sorta a "Morsified New-Age".  It's by far his
    most laid-back album (with the obvious exception of "Tumeni Notes").
    
    "Freefall" is not a good representative of the Dregs.  It's their very
    first release and is really set apart from all subsequent albums. 
    
    "Freefall" to me sounds very "quartestish".  Every album after that
    had that "high powered production" that is a Dregs trade-mark.  I'd
    also veer away from "Night of the Living Dregs".
    
    You want a representative Dregs album, get "Dregs of the Earth".
    
    I'm also very fond of "Southern Steel" - if you liked "Coast to Coast"
    chances are you'd like "Southern Steel" even more.
    
    	db

    
    
    
    
    
    				200!

    I WAS WONDERING IF ANTONE HAS HEARD OF ANY CONCERT DATES YET?
    
    BLEEDING FINGERS
    

    WHO'S ANTONE?  WHY ARE YOUR FINGERS BLEEDING?
    
    WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?  
    
    8-PRIL

    Joe's wife is due to have a baby within the next month, but Ill see
    what I can find out.
    
    Bob

    I just heard on the radio that Joe is starting his tour in Phoenix on 
    October 1st.
    

    I saw him on the last tour in Glasgow and enjoyed every minute of it!
    
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    
    Not worth it.

    Sounds to me like a result of the "rumor mill" effect on his statement
    on MTV way back.  I saw that show and I thought he was just saying that
    as a joke.  I don't really think that was what he was charging for
    lessons.
    
    It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Joe is still teaching.  Teaching
    is a great way to keep your skills on a subject up to date.  If you
    don't use knowledge all the time, you tend to forget it, teaching is a
    good way to keep using what you know regularly.  
    
    I guess it probably wouldn't surprise me to know that he charged a lot
    for the lessons too.  It could be a tactic to keep the people all wired
    about his popularity from bugging him and keep his student list low. 
    Even if he did charge a thousand bucks an hour for a lesson, I bet he
    could still keep a few students on a regular basis.
    
    gh                                                 

    
    	What was the first hit off of "Dreaming #11"?  Escobar asked me
    	what it was, and I told him I'd check on it, but I forgot to
    	check when I got home last night.
    
    	Was it "The Crush of Love"?
    
    							GTI
    

    The Crush of Love was Joe's kind of airplay break-thru tune.  Top Forty
    stations were playing it in my town.(yuk).
    
    I just got tickets for Joe's show in Seattle on Nov. 7th.
    
    YES!!!!
                                          
                                          
                                           

    Joe's life has gotten even crazier.....His wife had a baby boy
    (Zachary) last week.
    
    Bob
    
    
    Mike-
    I talked to someone who knows Joe very well and they told me Joe hasnt
    given lessons consistently in about 4 years.

    I will have somebody ask him and will let you know.
    
    Bob

Mike - you SLAY me!  That was great !!!
jc

>I think I have his dive bomb technique
>figured out too (the one that gives his patented squeal).
    
    You mean the one where he grabs the real high harmonic on two strings
    by plucking the strings with his right hand 2nd and 3rd fingers, using
    his thumb to touch the harmonic point, then nukes it with the bar?

>He used a Marshall JCM900 this time with 3 Marshall 4x12s set up behind him.
>In case you're wondering, most of his amps were ripped off from the studio while
>recording the last album.  I couldn't tell if the head was a Dual-Reverb or
>High Gain model though.  Definately great tone though!!!
    
    You should be able to tell by the way the knobs are laid out, the DR is
    very different then the MV.  But...of course it was great tone, it's a
    Marshall!
                              
    gh        

    I've seen him do the bar with both hands.
    
    The left hand bar thing is a Van Halenism.  He grabs a buncha harmonics
    around the 5th & 7th fret, then does the bar with his left as he opens
    up the volume with his right.  (but you knew this...)
    
    gh

    Yeah, I know what yuo're talkin about.  If you think about the
    positioning, its probably not the 5th or 7th fret (equivalent)
    harmonic, it's more like the one around the 2nd or just before the 3rd. 
    I learned this one after watching him do it on MTV several years ago,
    it's definately higher then the 5th fret harmonic.
    
    gh

    I've got three tickets for the show in Seattle on saturday...it's in
    the Arena at the Seattle Center, an intimate setting with fairly good
    acoustics...should be a burner since he's only doin' one show.
    
    You can grab them from me for face.
    
    Also, have a spare Futon in the living room if any die hard fan wants
    to fly up and join us at the show (no oogling my girlfriend, though),
    there is four of us going.
    
    Stephen
    

    
    
    Well, If I can't oogle your girlfriend I must decline. 8^)
    
                                                                  mike
    

    I'll just sing "I know you got another man but I can love you better
    than him".  8)
    
     She'll be putty.......8)
    
     Friz
    

    You guys slay me!!!
    
    Stephen

    Well, the show was awsome of course..
    
    Proud to say that we Seattle - ites got him to play 4 encore's which
    included Rubina's Blue Sky Happiness and New Blues!!!
    
    -Stephen

    STEPHEN,
    
             Have you got any information on when or if Joe is going to
    make it to Colorado?
    
    Please reply soon because I will not be here after 11-13-92.
    

    I have NO idea but I if you listen to KILO fairly regularly they 
    should say something when he comes around.
    
     Frizx
    

    Dunno either...
    
    -Stephen

    ...or call up the KILO concert line once a week or so, that's a lot
    more bearable then actually having to listen to the station.
    
    gh

    KILO is cool station if you're not a total 'skinny puppy' type person.
    
     What I hate is calling that line and listening to the ski conditions 
    right before it....Packed powder powder packed packed packed...etc.
    
    Friz
    

>    KILO is cool station if you're not a total 'skinny puppy' type person.
    
    ...and you like hearing the same bad songs over and over and over.
    
>     What I hate is calling that line and listening to the ski conditions 
>    right before it....Packed powder powder packed packed packed...etc.
    
    Oh, that's right.  I'd forgotten about that.  Show's how often I call
    it, huh?
    
    gh

    Bad songs over and over: I'd rather listen to 'bad' songs than 
    that thing you call a radio station THE MAXX. 
    
         Friz
    

                                   ^
                                   |
                                   |
                              Joe
                            THE SULTAN OF SHRED
    
     Friz
    

    I think Vai can shred for days but Joe is a more tasteful player!
    
    
    
    
                                               Staynz

    Um...like, Frizbo?  What makes you think I listen to "The Max"?
    
    I mean, it's got the same kinda problems as KILO, IMHO.  They just
    overplay a different style of music.  
    
    gh

    IAN: Here we go again...Vai is a shredder but I've heard some VERY
    tasteful stuff out of him.  While Joe just seems to pull a Clinton
    (Waffle) sometimes.
    
    Greg: Knock...Knock?? You listen to the max all the time..I KNOW IT!!
    
     Friz
    

    Actually I was listening to the Max yesterday. Not too horrible. 

    -2
    
    Yeah, well, maayyyybbeee...but does the student really ever master the
    teacher??
    
    First there was Hendrix, then Satch, THEN Vai.
    
    (I know I left out a lot between Hendrix and Satch, so gimme a break in
    advance).
    
    -Stephen

    Here's my Wed. am .02 -- I don't like either Vai *or* Satch!!  I liked 
    what Vai was doing 8 years ago ... I hate his new stuff.  Satch was 
    cool on his first two albums, but he bores me now.  I don't get what
    the fuss is all about.

    Buck: I agree...Even though I like all of Vai stuff still.           
    They play some of Satch's stuff on the radio and I think it's pretty 
    boring most of the time.
    
    Stephen: I DO think that VAi has passed Satch.
    
      Friz
    

    Blues suck.

    >>>Blues suck.
    
    Yah, they even lost to da Broons.

    Don't let Alan see you bashin on the Bruins, bud-dy!

    AH HA! Now I get the jest of Mikey not liking Vai....He's into the
    weird stuff and MIkey don't like that!! 
    
    Vai has so much emotion...How can you not hear it? Seriously?
    
             Friz
    

    I know that isn't why...I was just razzin' ya! Don't you EVER let your
    gaurd down? 
    
    How about Vai's 'Blue Podwer' track? Serious emotion!
       IMO Steve has more emotion than Joe could ever think of having.
    
     Friz
    

    I'll let ya have your guard down....
    
        The sublect is VERY opinionated...Can we agree to disagree?
    
     Friz
    

    Vai and Satch are GREAT axe slayers...they certainly don't suck.
    
    And there are other emotions in this universe other than sadness,
    whining, wimpering and blissfull fits of Utopianism....IMVHO.
    
    "Always constant, accurate, and INTENSE." -Stevie Vai
    
    -Stephen

    well bugger you all 'cause I'm going to see Joe in Edinburgh.Bonzo,do
    you want to go???
    
    
                                                 Staynz

      I happened to hear Satriani for the first time on the
    radio in OCT 92.They played the "WHY" track from the Extemist.
    Most of you must have been listening to him for a long time
    to classify this material as "EH".I was awestruck.I love this
    guys playing.Along with "Friends","The Extremist" and "War" its
    some of the best work I have heard in years.After I picked the
    album up I found out he has been around for years and has a few
    more album out.No more monastary existence for me.If you guys
    are telling me his previous worrk is better than "Extremist"
    then I have a lot of pleasant new (old) reviewing to do for
    the holidays.In my opinion Joe is excellent!

    
    All of Joe's work is great.  His musical style changes slightly
    from album to album, but his playing style stays intense.  He
    is definitely among the top 5 players alive today.
    
    If you're into listening to serious technical guitar playing,
    Satriani is a must.
    
    My least favorite of his disks is "Flying In A Blue Dream", but
    not because I don't like the playing or the songwriting.  I like
    it less than the others because he thought he'd try singing and
    it didn't turn out too well.  If you have a good technical ear
    that can pick apart music and tune out the vocals, then FIABD
    still provides some excellent listening.
    
    I would rate The Extremist as better than FIABD, but slightly
    more subdued (from the raw energy perspective) than "Surfing With
    The Alien", which I consider a "must have" disc for any serious
    guitar afficionado.
    
    As usual, this is just my not-so-humble opinion.  Your mileage
    may vary.  Law where prohibited by void.  Don't try this at home
    because I know where you live... etc. etc. :-)
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    Kev, glad to see you picked up where I left off.

    re: .265
    
    Welcome!!!
    
    I envy you!! You have some very exciting listening ahead of you....
    
    I grew up on classical music.  I played the clarinet in a lot of
    different orchestra's, including the local university when I was in
    high school.
    
    Peter Tchiakosvky(sp?) was my boyhood hero.  When I was about 16, a
    very influential classical clarinetist turned me on to the soprano sax
    and to a medium called jazz.  I never picked up the clarinet again, and
    all of my classical records began to collect dust.  My listening turned
    to bands like "The Jeff Lorber Fusion"(the sax'ist was a guy named Kenny
    Gorelick, better known today as 'Kenny G'), "Weather Report", "The
    Yellow Jackets", "Maynard Ferguson" and "David Sanborn".
    
    Then one day a friend of mine tried to turn me on to Rock and Roll.  He
    had me listen to Hendrix and Zeppelin and the Stones.  He called people
    like Jimmy Page and Kieth Richards, the greatest musicians of our time. 
    Because of my background and my lack of exposure to the philosophy of
    rock, I viewed these guys as sloppy, messy, musicians.  I found there
    guitar tone obnoxiuos, grotesque, and devoid of any grace, or musicianship.
    
    Our arguments became so fierce, that I decided to teach myself guitar,
    and play with clear, precise tone and clear precise diction.  It was my
    mission as a niave 18 year old, to save the world from sloppy, messy,
    and grotesque guitar playing.  I've been playin' axe ever since...
    
    But I needed a hero, it it wasn't going to be Jimmy Page...or even Jimi
    Hendrix.  Then just when I thought I would never find my mentor, VAN
    HALEN came out.  Eddie blew me away.  But Eddie had this guy in front of 
    him all of the time, like a fly that would not go away, named Dave...
    
    My first exposure to Joe Satriani was when an old jazz buddy handed me
    'Surfin with the Alien'.  I WAS DONE!!! I had found what I was looking
    for...all of the things I wanted to do, but was too immature a
    guitarist, with only a 3 years under my belt.
    
    To me, Joe has all the qualities of a virtuoso.  His tone is always
    clear, even his dives and whammy pulls.  His solo's are based on theory
    and modality, well thought out.  His style is timeless, like Mozart. 
    Each album he has put out has that same quality that is Joe.  He is
    more melody consious than any gutarist I've listened too.  His song
    writing follows the format of the jazz artist: intro, state a melody, solo,
    restate the melody with variations, outro.
    
    Surfing with the Alien, is a timeless classic. You must listen to this
    album at least 50 times, IMO.  Every track is excellent. Here is a list
    of my favorite tunes by him.
    
    - Driving at Night,(Not of this Earth)
      The title is appropriate...listen to this song on a clear night in
      light traffic behind the wheel of a sportscar.
    
    - Crushing Day,(Surfing with the Alien)
      This song still sends chills down my spine.  
    
    - Side Two of Surfin'
      Joe's Symphony no. 1....IMO.
    
    - Back to Shalla Bal,(Flying in a Blue Dream)
      CRANK IT UP!!!!!
    
    - War,(The Extremist)
      Speaks for itself.
    
    - New Blues,(The Extremist) 
      I howl like a crazed dog every time I hear that scream leading into 
      the solo!!
    
    
    -Stephen
    
    

    
    BTW, I would like to clarify my opinion of "Flying In A Blue Dream."
    
    It is my least favorite of Joe's offerings only because I don't
    like Joe's singing.  The album is nothing less than incredible
    if you can ignore his voice.  I pulled it out last night and
    listened to it on the ride home and the guitar just blew me
    away.
    
    He either managed to clue in on his own or somebody else clued
    him in and he listened, because on The Extremist he decided to
    just shut up and play his guitar.  I think this was an excellent
    move on his part.
    
    -- 
    Kevin
         

    RE: ST_WHITE
    
    I'm also into the works of Peter Illich Tchaikovsky ... he roolz, but
    how does his compositions relate to the Clarinet?  8^)

    re: .270
    
    Yeah, I'm not a fan of Joe's singing either...But some of his best axe
    work is on "Flyin' in a Blu' Dream".  The solo section in Strange is
    pretty wild...but I hardly ever listen to that song 'cause he sings.
    
    I did notice at his recent concert that a lot of Satch fans like his
    singing...'Big Bad Moon' and 'I Believe' got Joe a lot of air play and
    turned a lot of people onto his guitar playing...people that don't
    usually pick up an album with no lyrics.
    
    I agree that Joe was loyal to his TRUE FANS with Extremist...the only
    thing that sings on this album is his axe...
    
    re: .271
    
    Although I played a lot of concerto's, my greatest experience was
    sittng in the middle of a 80 piece orchestra...Tchiakosvky blew me
    away.
    
    Hearing, for example, Piano Concerto #1 in B flat, from the reed
    section, is quite an experience.  I highly recomend it.
    
    No offense intended, but asking me what the clarinet has to do with
    Tchiakovsky, is little like asking Jimi Hendrix what distortion has to do 
    with the guitar...
    
    8>)
    
    -Stephen

    >No offense intended, but asking me what the clarinet has to do with
    >Tchiakovsky, is little like asking Jimi Hendrix what distortion has to do 
    >with the guitar...
    
    Steve, your pills?  The smiley afterwards implied sarcasm!

    Well, you got me...
    
    But it was good natured sarcasm....
    
    Noow, where did I put my pill box.....hate it when that happens.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    8*) 

    I may be the only one, but I actually like Joe's singing...
    
    Greg

    I like the singing in "I believe" as I think he managed to get his
    voice to suit the song where as in "Big Bad moon" I thought the singing
    wasn't that good!
    
    
                                                  Staynz

    Staynz...
    
    Where & When is the Satch gig?
    
    Bonzo

    You're not alone Greg.  

    I can sing better than Joe can.
    
    

>    I can sing better than Joe can.
    
    Yeah, but so what?  You can probably sing better then Bob Dylan, Tom
    Petty, John Melloncamp, Michael Stipe, and Lou Reed too, but they've
    all put out a lotta great vocal based albums despite their limitations
    as vocalists.  You don't have to be a great singer to make great music!
    
    gh

    Re: Greg
    
    Chill out dude.  Don't keep takin' me so fackin' seriously.
    I recognize the vastly superior musical talent of most of these
    guys.  Satch is a genius, but I maintain that he should stick
    to doing what he does best which is playing guitar.  My claiming
    that I can sing better is not meant to belittle him nor is it
    meant to imply that I'm a great singer.
    
    BTW, I have more hair than Sinead Oconnor, but that don't mean that
    I'm better looking than she is...
    
    There are plenty of *other* reasons why I'm better looking!
    
    Bwahahahaha! :-)

    
    Two Words:
    
    
    
    James Hetfield
    
    
    
    

    re: Kevin
    
    And don't be takin ME so seriously either, dude!  Just making a minor
    point, irrevelant in the grand scheme of things.  Things were
    definitely intended to be lighthearted in that reply!  Sorry it didn't
    come across that way.
    
    gh

    
    Two more words:
    
    
                 
    Sh*tty Singer!

    
    Who's that, Buck?  You, me, Greg or Joe?
    

    Speaking only for myself, his analysis is correct.  I've never heard
    you sing, so I can't say.
    
    gh

    Re-a few
    
    Bonzo,
          he's playing the playhouse on the 1st of Feb.Are you wanting some
    tickets?
    
    
                                                Staynz

    Don't know yet, but I will check with the "big" boss wo-man....
    
    If she says yeah, I will give you a call...
    
    Bonzo

    Anyone heading to see the SATCH at the Orpheum??

    
    Re: Buck
    
    Satch at the Opium, er, Orpheum:  When?
    

    Bonzo,are you a man or a big girls blouse?Do it,travel the miles it'll
    be worth it.I saw him last time at the Barrowlands and he was reet
    smart!
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    I am definately a Blouse!
    
    You ain't met the "BOSS", and beleive me, it cam be frightening....
    
    But she did go to the Barrowlands last time to see the Satch so I will
    find out today if she is interested, and let you know...
    
    Bonzo

    cheers,let me know asap and I'll get the tickets and you can refund
    me later.My old dears were talking about going,can you believe that?!?!
    I managed to put them off by telling them it was a monday night!!
    
                                                Staynz

    Bonzo`s a hard lad,ain`t he? Do you have to ask to go to the toilet
    each time,or do you have a season ticket?  ho!ho!
    
    Any other dates apart from the playhouse,btw?
    

    nah,thats the only I've heard.Grab a copy of Kerrap and I'm sure it'll
    be listed somewhere in there!
    
    
                                                Staynz

    Staynz... 
    
    Just checking the "Boss's" time off, if she can make it, we'll be
    there, and if she can't, I'll be there...
    
    BOnzo

    Who'd wanna go see that has been?!  His playing is totally devoid of
    emotion!

    blasphemy!
    
    
    ok,Bonzo,let me know a.s.a.p and I'll get the tickets ordered from my
    "contacts"
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    RE: .297
    
    SEE .263

    300 replies!

    re: Stephen
    
    I'm just jivin, dude.  I like Satch (and Vai)!
    
    gh

    
    	Joe Satriani is listed to be on Late Night W/David
    Letterman tonight.
    
    
    Vinny

    
    Really?
    
    I heard he was supposed to be appearing on Leno soon, but I'm not
    sure of the date.
    
    Anyone know fer sure?
    

    
    I'm taping it.
    
    He's on Leno New Years Eve.
    
    

    
    Thanks.  I'll ask my wife if I can stay up past my bedtime to
    watch Letterman tonight. :-) (VCR is on the fritz)
    

    
    If she doesn't.... let me know, I'll let you borrow the tape. It's
    got Megadeth on Arsenio too.
    
    

    
    Cool.  I think I'd like to borrow that tape anyway.
    

>(VCR is on the fritz)
    
    Get yer VCR *OFF* OF FRIZ!!!

> -< you're weird >-
    
    Right!  See 99.818 for more details...
    

    
    I taped it, but I haven't had a chance to watch it.
    
    

    That's good because a local station just said he's on the show TONIGHT!

    
    Ummmm, no. I'm afraid not. He was on last night. I glanced at my tv
    before I shut it off, and there he was, right next to the bass player.
    

    ...he looked pretty goofy didn't he??...................;')......./k

    
    I'll say.... I think he's tryin' fer the grunge look.
    
    

    Jeesh, I'll kill for that tape...I've been in the mountains.
    
    I'll pay for postage!!
    
    -Stephen
    
    re:- a while back...I'm glad you were kidding...

    
    -1
    
    Re: Back in the saddle
    
    Cool Aerosmith tune!!

    
    RE: .318
    
    
    Let me have a chance to view it, and then I'll lendit to whoever
    requests it. (Although I think Kevin get's it first)
    
    

    
    
    Ya sure... just like the Dream Theatre tape I still haven't seen
    nor heard! 
    
    Whitpose-

    hey all you Satch heads!   I taped it, and captured some gifs of Joe
    wailing on the guitiar if anyone is interested.
    
    They're in METALX"GIF ZOETROPE"::$DISK1:[GIF.MUSIC]SATCH*.GIF
    
    Dont expect too much, the quality isn't that great, but what the heck,
    they're free!
    
    |KS|

    
    I haven't even seen you! how the hell am I supposed to give it to you!?
    
    
    

    
    
    
    Ya, good excuse... 
    
    

    
    Qool!  Thanks!  Not bad for video capture...
    
    

  >                           -< Swanson for NoTY! >-
    
    Hey, that sounds good to me!   :')
    
    
    

    Joe not only won best Rock Guitarist from Guitar Player magazine's
    readers poll (Eric Johnson won best Overall), but he also has a new 50
    minute video tape (with music videos and interviews) out.  For more
    info, write to Joe's fan club @:
    
    Satriani Fan Club
    P.O. Box 884564
    San Francisco, CA  94188

    Yeah I saw his video tape " Satch tape" in straberry record in Leom.
    It's $19.99. Will soon get it.

    Well if you get it before I do, post a review ;-)

    Hey, I heard that Joe was on Jay Leno last night...
    
    I am totaly bummin' 'cause our local stations all carried the Dodd
    execution...
    
    Anybody tape it?? I'll pay for postage and a blank if ya send it to me.
    
    -Stephen

    Check out the Satriani note in the GUITAR conference, Stephen.  Some of
    the people there saw it.  They all said his performance and the sound
    mix wasn't very good.  I was kinda bummed to read that.
    
    gh

    
    
     I got The Extremist for X-Mas. Definately a way crankin CD. Some
    really great tunes. I think "War" is my fav. 
    
                                                  mike
    

    >I think "War" is my fav.
    
    Ditto.
    
    -Stephen

    re: .322
    
    Thanks for those gif's, Ken.  Pretty cool!  Any idea where the photo's
    came from?
    
    gh

    What photos Greg?  The ones of Joe Satriani?  Those came from my VCR &
    Videoblaster card in my PC.  Most of the other stuff in my .music
    directory came from Mike Heiser.  The Metallica album covers I got off
    the USENET.
    
    Did you just get around to looking at those now?
    
    |KS|

    Yeah, I was talking specifically about the Satriani ones, Ken, which
    you'd "advertised" in a previous note.  I didn't even notice (or look
    for) any other ones in there.
    
>    Did you just get around to looking at those now?
    
    Umm...yeah.  I'm behind the times...
    
    gh

 >                       -< But what show did you tape? >-
    
    Letterman not too long ago.  Steve Morse was great on The Tonight Show  
    last night!  Did you see it?  It was mentioned in here somewhere.  I
    didn't tape that one though.
    

>    Steve Morse was great on The Tonight Show   last night!  Did you see
>    it? 
    
    Yeah, I saw it.  As ususal, he was roolin!  Morse is someone you
    absolutely have to see perform live to fully appreciate.  I just wish
    they'd done a real song instead of that medly thing they did.
    
    gh

    The other night I stumbled in after a few micro-brews at the local
    tavern and flipped on 'Head Bangers Ball'.  Some guy on this show was
    saying that Joe had just signed a deal with Epic and is looking for a
    singer.  MTV is having a contest to fill the spot.
    
    Joe's solo days may be over???
    
    Hmmm...
    
    -Stephen

    
    No, he's getting a real band. He's even thinking of naming it something
    other than JOE SATRIANI.
    
    Solo days are most likely over.
    
    

    He's been warning us about that for a year now.

    Maybe he'll get someone with some EMOTION into his band!
    
    gh

    Bonzo,Mrs Bonzo and I went t'other night to see Joe and quite frankly
    we were bored,we had a better time waiting for the menu at the Italian
    resteraunt.Anyway,the improvised jazz bit was long and tedious as was
    the drum solo.The lack of singing was a major factor in the boredom
    stakes.Joe is an excellant guitar player and I admire him greatly but
    I was bored.The support was Adrian Legg and he was superb.
    
    
                                                staynz
    

    Adren Legg supporting Satch ? Should have been the other way around!!
    
    -tony

    Staynz... When you get this old you tend not to mention barfdays!
    
    
    Agree with your comments on Satch though... and as good as Adrian Legge
    was, he runied his spot with the long winded explanations before each
    song!  (Plus he looks a bit like John Peel... 8*(P  )
    
    Bonzo

    Happy Birthday you old fart!

    I heard an Adrian Legg song the other day and it was ROOLIN!  I was
    blown away!
    
    gh

    Re: -1
    
    Since you're a moderator, you should know better than to discuss
    unemotional guitarists in King Satch's note!

    Ah yes, right you are...
    
    There will be no more discussion of Joe Satriani in this note.  The
    moderator has spoken.

    Who is Joe Satriani??

    
    The pedantic brothers strike again!

    Hey Mr. Big Satriani fan...
    
    >first album, Surfing With An Alien, won several awards
    >which included Crush Of Love and Flying In A Blue Dream.
    
    FYI -- Surfing with THE Alien was Joe's SECOND album!!  Not of
    This Earth was his first.  Also, get the songs associated with
    their proper albums, will ya?

    Oh yeah, I'm "over" Joe's guitar playing.  I liked him when I used to
    like Yngwie Malmsteen ... nuff said!

    
    
    I thought Crush Of Love is off Dreaming 11?
                                               
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
           <<< Note 455.357 by POWDML::BUCKLEY "Ride the Cyclone" >>>
                -< Crush of Love is off Flying in a Blue Dream >-

    Hey Mr. Big Satriani fan...
    
    >first album, Surfing With An Alien, won several awards
    >which included Crush Of Love and Flying In A Blue Dream.
    
    FYI -- Surfing with THE Alien was Joe's SECOND album!!  Not of
    This Earth was his first.  Also, get the songs associated with
    their proper albums, will ya?

    

    
    	Esco's right ... it's on "Dreaming #11".
    
    							GTI
    

    I think you guys missed Brian's attempt at humor...

    
    
    Who's Joe Satriani?

    What about "cryin'" from the Extremist ?

    > Who's Joe Satriani?
    
    He's a guy known for being able to cop anything Steve Morse can play,
    even though Steve Morse can't play everything Joe can play.
    
    ;-)

    re .353
    
    Yeah, I was just kidding.
    
    -Stephen
    
    P.S. Drivin at night roolz...

    In case nobody mentioned it, Joe (aka "The Emotionnless Wonder") has a
    video out.  It's called "The Satch Tapes" and is supposed to be his own
    musical autobiography.
    
    I read a review of it in the free rag from Musicland and the reviewer
    slammed it HARD.  Said it was "superficial and lifeless" and that "Both
    Satriani and his fans deserve better."  
    
    Caveat emptor, but might still be worth it for giant Satch fans...
    
    gh

    Joe "Vai didn't learn that emotionless crap from me" Satriani will be
    releasing a double CD set this fall.  It will include live material
    fromt he Surfin and Extremist tours.  It will also include previously
    unreleased material, especially from his very first album (the one
    before N.O.T.E. that's out of print).

    I heard a pre-release off the new Satch double-CD yesterday.  It's a
    bluesy ballad that's a cover of an old Billie Holiday song.  It was so
    dripping with emotion that it brought tears to my eyes.

    3-69 emotion packed replieszzz!!!
    

    >It was so dripping with emotion that it brought tears to my eyes.
    
    Thanks for the warning.

    
    	re -1:
    
    	Hohohohoho...........:-))))))))))))))))))))))))
    
    	...SJ...

    No kidding, I'm rolling on the floor!!!

    not quite db.  You aren't alive if the blues don't touch you.

    Guess I'm alive then, it triggers my gag reflex.

    I hear brushing your teeth does that to you also, but nobody complains
    when you breathe on them.

    Mike, considering his last album, I'm afraid I can't be as optimistic 
    as you about the new album.
    
    I have this PC program that allows you to use your CD-ROM as a CD
    player and it even lets you program it so it only plays the
    tracks you want to hear.
    
    In programming it for "The Extremist" I found a limitation:

        
    	There has to be at least one.

    
    	Ouch!!
    
    	You guys are nasty ... especially you, Dave!!  8^)
    
    							GTI
    

I like the summertime song they're using for the Sony Cd ads...

    That's funny, I prefer his last 2 CD's over the first 2.

    I awoke this am to a new song by JS -- it's from his forthcoming album,
    and is BCN's Big_Matress_song_of_the_week.
    
    I gotta say, it SUCKED!!  The absolutle worst song i have ever heard
    from Joe -- REALLY disappointing!!!  The form was very lame,
    sophomoric, and PREDICTABLE.  There I am, half-awake, and my ear
    trained ears can hear every lick this guy is playing ... at 7am, that
    isn't say much for the player imho (my ears aren't THAT killer).
    
    Sure, his chorused, verbed, delayed strat oozed emotion, but the song
    did nothing for me...
    
    Sorry, I'll take the "emotionless" playing of Vai, Petrucci, or Morse
    ANY day of the week...

    Aw Buck, you're only saying that cuz you mean it ;-)

      
    
          As I was standing in line for my Pearl Jam tickets I picked up
    the new double live cd. The first disc is the new stuff, and I have
    to say I was'nt impressed. The songs are o.k. but nothing special.
    The second disc however, has live versions of his best stuff. It
    was worth getting for the live stuff, but if your looking for this
    to be spectacular get it taped from somebody. (imho)
    
    
    
               Jeffy

    Jeffy, thanks for letting us know it's available.

    A lot of the live songs on CD-2 were recorded at the Orpheum.

    I purchased the new "Time Machine" the other day.  It's a 2-CD set, one
    with new studio and previously unreleased material.  The other is a
    live recording, much of which was recorded at the Orpheum.
    
    CD-1 has a few real gems on it, but some of it I could've lived
    without.  The Billie Holiday cover, "All Alone," has a melody that
    won't leave my head.  Other favorites are the title track, "Crazy,"
    "Speed of Light," "Baroque," "Saying Goodbye," "The Mighty Turtle
    Head," "Thinking of You," and "Dweller on the Threshold."  The rest I'm
    not to crazy about.
    
    CD-2 (live) seems a little dry, and if I may be blunt, emotionless. 
    The playing is certainly on.  They should've mixed more of the audience
    though to liven things up a bit.  I've only listened to it once a low
    volume so I'll have to give it another spin.
    
    HM's objective analyst,
    Mike

>    A lot of the live songs on CD-2 were recorded at the Orpheum.
    
    The Boston Orpheum?
    
    I was at that show (Abba got cancelled so I figured, wtf) - great show.
    
    	db

    >    The Boston Orpheum?
    
    yup.  The live section sounds great at high volumes ;-)

    I was there!
    
    One of the best shows I've been to in a long time (excluding any Morse
    shows of course).
    
    Even the lighting was killer.

    
    	Only 2 songs on the "Live" CD are from the Orpheum.
    
    	
    	Vinny

Saw this on the USENET today, but I haven't seen it confirmed at all. But
latest reports say that Joe Satriani has replaced Richie Blackmore on Deep 
Purple's tour in Japan!!! 

alan

    I wouldn't put too much stock into Usenet reports.
    
    Songs recorded at the Opium Theatre (not to be confused with Dream
    Threatre):  Summer Song and Surfing with the Alien.  I thought there
    was more, but Philadelphia definitely contributed the most.
    
    Mike

    It ain't Deep Purple without Blackmore.

    Interesting article/review in the liner notes of "Time Machine." 
    Highly recommended reading for fans of Satrionics.
    
    Brother Mike (spreading the Gospel of Satch)

    on time machine (which will be a christmas present,) is "always with
    me, always with you" live or studio. (i hope its studio as i have just
    got the transcription for guitar).
    
    thanks,
    
    jim.

    Get "Surfin..." anyway, it's a great album!
    
    gh

    Hatred mostly, generated on the part of the listener...

    
    	400 emotionless replies!!
    

    I get emotional just thinking about "Surfing...".  ;-)

    Hallelujah Brothers!  Welcome to the Church of Satrionics!

    is the live version close enough to the studio version to use the tab
    i've got. i hope so as this is one of the tracks i want but dont have
    the cd for (blue dream/extremist are all i have so far).
    
    i first heard this track on vid from Seville 92 and thought it was
    brilliant. i forgot about it though until i heard a brazilian guy
    called Renaldo play it in Algarve portugal this summer.
    
    i really want to play it....i've got the tab, now i just need the
    satchs' help.
    
    jim 8-)

    heres a question on satriani
    
    when he taps, does he use his pick (i can get a pretty good approx
    tapping with the pick instead of using fingers).
    
    perhaps the satch tapes will show if he does???
    
    mind boggling
    
    jim

>    when he taps, does he use his pick (i can get a pretty good approx
>    tapping with the pick instead of using fingers).
    
    It depends on the song and the part.  He definitely does use the side
    of his pick for tapping on some of his material, he uses his finger for
    other stuff.  For instance, the tapped section in Satch Boogie is the
    finger. 
    
    gh

    mmmm, it looks like i've got my work cut out this christmas...locked in
    my room with screeds of tab and blaring satriani 8)
    
    jim
    

    Emotion with a drum machine???  Hmmm...

    re: feel patches
    
    No wonder the emotion was dripping...

    satriani should get a speedo like on nigels' yellow axe (if he could
    get one to register high enough) 8-).
    
    jim
    

    db, you forgot to mention how Satch mopped up in the "Instrumentalist
    of the Year" awards.  I didn't see Morse's name anywhere, though. 
    Except for his monthly column where he said it's fruitless to argue
    who's the best.  He said to quit it and to just confess that
    
    SATCH RULES!
    
    No really he said (paraphrasing) that his theory is that everyone has
    something they excel at.  I never did like fence-straddlers much.

    > Told ya, db
    
    I'll never doubt you again Mike.
    
    NOT!!!!!!!!!!
    
    > db, you forgot to mention how Satch mopped up in the "Instrumentalist
    > of the Year" awards.  I didn't see Morse's name anywhere, though.
    
    Hah Mike,
    
    I believe the reason you didn't see it is that he dominated it for so
    many years that the publishers disqualified him so
    highly-talent-but-nonetheless-mortals like Satch might win.
    
    The only thing that Satch is capable of dominating is a 7th chord!

    The subject of backward masking and subliminal messages came up among
    my co-workers the other day.  Now I know how this guy got to be so
    gifted: he sold his soul to the devil in exchange for talent. 
    Practicing was too hard.  

Those backward masking tricks are tough when you don't have any vocals though...

    > Now I know how this guy got to be so gifted: he sold his soul to the
    > devil in exchange for talent.
    
    Tell Joe that I think he was gypped.
    
    ;-)

    What about Carlos Santana?
                      ^^ ^^^
    
    He must have sold_his_soul_for_rock_and_roll too!

    > Satch said Morse *IS* Lucifer!
    
    I.E. Morse taught Satch everything he knows.

    Anyone following the thread in alt.guitar where some clown claimed that
    Satch drops brown acid?

    
    
      What is brown acid? I thought there was only one kind.
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    > What is brown acid?
    
    It's the kind of acid that Satriani uses.

    
    
       Must be just for guitarists.

    It's the kind that they put on the stick-on tatoos that children are
    told not to lick while at school.

    re: -1
    
    You mean they can lick them after school?  :')
    
    I thought it was the kind that was "bad" at Woodstock.

    It gives you the EVH "brown sound"...
    

    Brown_Acid.
    It's for Every_One!

    
    
      Its not just for breakfast anymore!

    Maybe there was a screwup at the printers and the previous album
    ended up coming out with the wrong title?

    Dave Letterman's Top 10 list from last night:
    
    Why Joe Satriani rulz and Steve Morse drulz!
    --------------------------------------------
    10. Joe uses more squealies. 
     9. Steve is a blonde. 
     8. Joe has the King of the Underworld in his last name.  
     7. Steve is left-handed and tries to play right-handed. 
     6. Joe has soul, emotive-playing, and chops for days. 
     5. Steve plays in re-hashed tribute bands to pay the bills. 
     4. Joe doesn't have any used CD's in his bin at the store. 
     3. Steve has nothing but used CD's in his bin at the store. 
     2. Joe only plays 24-fret guitars. 
    ...and the #1 reason is:  
     1. Steve doesn't use 24-fret guitars because he can't count that high.

    Rollin!!

    db, how many Satch albums do you have?

    > db, how many Satch albums do you have?
    
    Now, or before I sold some off?
    
    Suffice it to say that the only ones I found worth listening to are
    "Surfing" and "Blue Dream".
    
    I found "Dreaming" to be truly pitiful, and (sorry Buck) just can't
    get into "Earth".   "Time Machine" is mostly rehash.

    Well that settles it then.  I have ZERO Morse albums.

    re: "Gotcha"
    
    > Well that settles it then.  I have ZERO Morse albums.
    
    It indeed does settle it.  It proves that you DON'T know what you're
    talking about when you speak of Morse and that my having many albums
    of both means I'm in an infinitely better position to judge who is
    better.
    

    Sorry db.  I told ya I borrowed a CD from a friend so I was smart
    enough to save the $$.

    > Nice try though
    
    Yes, your note WAS a nice try.  Too bad it backfired eh?
    
    > I told ya I borrowed a CD from a friend
    
    Oh, I stand corrected.  One borrowed album is definitely makes you
    a Morse expert.
    
    	db

    
    You're both wrong. Vai roolz! 8-)

    Vai's a mental pygmy.

    
    Tell that to Frank Zappa. Well you can't now, but... 8-)

>    You're both wrong. Vai roolz! 8-)
    
    I have to agree.
    
    Watched a biography show about Frank Zappa on A&E last night and they
    had a couple of interview clips and one stage clip with Vai.  The stage
    clip had to have been from the 1980-1982 timeframe, because that's when
    they said he was with Zappa's band.  He was ripping!  Even back then,
    he was nothing short of a completely amazing guitar player.  Blew my
    mind!  The interview spots were also several years old, since he looked
    much younger in them then he does now.
    
    FWIW, they had several performance shots of Zappa in the show as well,
    and I really liked his playing and his guitar sound.  There was one
    clip of him playing a song called "Black Napkins" that I _really_
    enjoyed.
    
    re: Mikey
    
    Whatever Vai's relative mental prowess, or personal beliefs, there is
    absolutely no denying his absolute mastry of the guitar in a hard rock
    (and probably other) context.
    
    Greg

Steve Vile?  He's great when he's not the driving force in a band...

Tim

    
    I also saw that on A&E last night. It was GREAT! (betcha ya never
    thought I'd say that)

    Steve Vai:  "I'll always be second-best as long as Joe is around."

    No baiting...

>    Steve Vai:  "I'll always be second-best as long as Joe is around."
    
    Joe Satriani:  I'll always be second-best as long as Steve Morse is
    	around.

    I saw a part of the Zappa thing but missed Vai.Frank was a damn fine
    guitar player,interesting and funny! 8)
    
    
    
    							ian

    
    I heard Edgar Varrese in college, John Cage too. Interesting
    influences.

    Yes, I saw that Zappa documentary!  I agree Greg, Vai was wailing
    there on stage!  I've never heard any Zappa songs with him on it (I
    don't think), but I may look for an album to check out.
    
    I also liked Black Napkins, and the bit they played at the very end
    where he was using the Whah-Whah.
    
    |KS|
    

    If you think the Vai stuff with Zappa was wailing -- there are
    tapes of Steve doing recitals at Berklee in their library which
    are just downright unbelievable!!!  He has really a sick player 
    while in school.

    
    Anyone catch the size of just ONE of his vaults where he had his
    master tapes?
    
    Incredible! And what was up with that board with the auto controls?

>    Joe Satriani:  I'll always be second-best as long as Steve Morse is
>    	around.
    
    If that were true, I would've told you.  I'm here to help you, db.
    
    The Government

>    Anyone catch the size of just ONE of his vaults where he had his
>    master tapes?
    
    Mind boggling, wasn't it?  And they said there were 4 of those vaults! 
    At one point in the interview, Frank said he had a catalog of over 1200
    songs.
    
>    Incredible! And what was up with that board with the auto controls?
    
    That was an SSL (Solid State Logic).  Very, very, expensive.
    
    Greg

    >    That was an SSL (Solid State Logic).  Very, very, expensive.

    
    These Satriani/Morse debates really crack me up, given that Robert
    Fripp and Carlos Santana are still alive and kicking.
    
    - Sean

    
    	Who's Carlos Santana?
    
    	Musta been before my time.
    
    							GTI
    

re: a few back...

try Them or Us for studio Vai with zappa,

live stunt guitar by Vai on any of the 'you cant do that on stage' series.

Also, try Zappa's Universe, solos on Dirty love with dweezil..

jim 

    
    Yeah, "Stunt Guitar".  Check out FZ "Guitar" for a slewww of
    that.  Excellent biography, now preserved on VHS.
    
    

    re: vai suggestions
    
    Thanks!
    
    |KS|
    

    Re: Fripp & Santana
    
    do they play guitar? ;-)
    
    Didn't Satch go to Berklee as well?  I thought that's where he, Stu
    Hamm, and Jonathan Mover met.  Maybe he has some more cool stuff in the
    library too?  

From:	US2RMC::"jpb@iti-oh.com" "Jeremy Black"  5-AUG-1994 11:51:49.44
To:	rew@moontarz.nuance.com
CC:	kansas@world.std.com
Subj:	Re: Vocals and replacements

>> Steve Morse is a rock guitar virtuoso.  I have a small collection of
>> guitar solo albums and all of the VH albums, and still believe Morse
>> has no equal.  He can play any style with brilliance.  Best of all,
>> he knows what to play.  The guitar solo in the middle of "Rainmaker"
>> is a work of art.

> Now, don't take this wrong; I'm just curious: Didn't I say pretty much
> exactly that about Mr. Morse in the paragraph following the one you
> quoted?  In this sense, Steve Morse is certainly not a "standard" rock
> guitar virtuoso -- he's quite extraordinary.

My appologies... I guess I misinterpreted what you said to think that
Satriani or EVH were better musicians.  They are very talented and the
guitar world owes a great deal to them, but they lack the *depth* of
capability which Morse has. <IMHO>

    db, you already posted that one.  Time for you to create a new one. 
    Unless you really did find someone to agree with you and put the
    message in an infinite loop to each other.  

    
    
    ahahahahah!!!  +1 for mike....
    

    
    I read that particular newsgroup and saw that post well before it
    was cross-posted here by db.
    
    -prc

    Actually I think what happened is that I got sent two copies of it.
    I think a mail queue burped and sent me some old stuff because I
    posted that right after I received it.  
    
    I knew it was "similar" to something I had posted before but knowing
    that so many people feel that Satriani is not in Morse's class it
    didn't strike me as unusual that two people would say that so it
    never occurred to me that it might be the same message.
    
    The only way Satch could ever be said to be "in Morse's class" was 
    if he took a class taught by Morse.

>    The only way Satch could ever be said to be "in Morse's class" was 
>    if he took a class taught by Morse.
    
    yeah the class was "How to Milli-Vanilli Lip-Sync on Guitar - MUP347"

what's going on in this conference???????????

Geesh, I leave Digital for a while and you guys stop talking
about Joe altogether!!

Rumor has it he's about to release an 'all-blues' CD produced
by a guy who produced for the Beatles!!!

Geesh!!

Where are you guys??!!

-Stephen

    We have better things to talk about...

    
     Like speak for yourself Dumbas%, Like Joe is Kool !  Heh huh heh
    heh.... Like a Blues album would be like the same as having sex with
    cher...huh heh huh  huh heh eh...
    

    
    	Sloppy?
    
    	And everyone's already done that?
    

    >> what's going on in this conference???????????

    >> Geesh, I leave Digital for a while and you guys stop talking about Joe
    > altogether!!
    
    > We have better things to talk about...
    
    Yes, check out the (still active) Steve Morse and Dream Theater notes.
    
    ;-)
    
    > Rumor has it he's about to release an 'all-blues' CD produced by a guy
    > who produced for the Beatles!!!
    
    Is this something you are actually looking FORWARD to???
    
    Your old friend,
    
    	db

Boy it took me a long time to get back here....

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that...I liked the tune that made it on
'Time Machine' where he plays a '57 strat...

Alien Love Secrets (Vai) has some good stuff, but it's waaaaayyyy out there
on a few tunes...Gay oot dat!!!

I'm looking forward to a bluesy CD from Satch to help support my long
standing claim that next to Hendrix, he's the best ever...

If ya hear any tidbits on the upcoming CD, please post!!

-Stephen

    
    	That was "Ya Yo Gak".
    
    	8^)
    

    
    	So, Mikey, did you camp out at the record store to pick up a
    	copy of the new Satriani when it came out?
    

    
    	Well, let's see ... with a p_n like "Surfin' With the Alien", I
    	would figure he cares enough to at least know whether or not it
    	came out yet.
    

What are you....NEW? (golf slang)

Yep it's out and in my grubby little hand.

Check out http://www.Satriani.com

I'll post my review o' the CD shortly.

-Stephen

    Well from what I've read in this Satch file...everybody loves this guy!
    
    And I am not the exception!  Great drivin' tunes, or for when your
    playing B-ball, V-ball or Football as background "tuneage".
    
    I only have 2 albums (disks) Surfin' with the ALien & Flying in a Blue
    Dream.
    
    And I know of...Not of this Earth & The Extremist.
    
    Can anyone else let me know what else Joe has out there and a small
    review?         

    
    RE: -1
    
    I have "Time Machine".  It is a 2-CD set with each CD containing 14
    songs.  One is all studio and the other is all live.   
    
    CD1
    
    Time Machine
    The Mighty Turtle Head
    All Alone
    Banana Mango II
    Thinking of You
    Crazy
    Speed of Light
    Baroque
    Dweller on THe Threshold
    Banana Mango
    Dreaming #11
    I am Become Death
    Saying Goodbye
    Woodstock Jam
    
    CD2
    
    Satch Boogie
    Summer Song (love it!)
    Flying in a Blue Dream
    Cryin'
    The Crush of Love (love it too!)
    Tears in the Rain
    Always with me, always with you
    Big Bad Moon
    Surfing with the Alien
    Rubina
    Circles
    Drum Solo
    Lords of Karma
    Echo
    
    It is a great set!
    
    /jen

    RE: .482 /jen
    
    	What's the "live" stuff sound like on the CD? I mean does it sound
    well recorded or is there $#!+ loads of background distortion?
    
    ...and BTW Thanks for the insight!
    
    HAGO,
    
    	  J

    
    	And "Dreaming #11" and the latest "Joe Satriani".
    

    I think you have the two best Satch albums, but others in here might
    disagree.
    
    > Satch is to Guitar playing as God is to...
    
    ... Steve Morse  ;-)

    
    RE: .483
    
    I think the live stuff on "Time Machine" sounds just fine...in fact
    most of my 'favorites' on the album are on the live CD.  However,
    I'm no acoustic engineer, so your mileage may vary.  :)
    
    /jen

    Well after receiving my 12 CD's from Colombia House, I'd have to say
    that the Joe's self-titled album is one of my Fav's out of the batch!
    
    	I find he's moving into a more Bluesish/Rock and a little less
    Metalish.  Not a bad thing, but took me some getting used to!  What can
    I say but, Joe's da'mang!
    
    	J

    
    	I guess he figures he's getting old, and might as well start
    	playing some simple stuff so that he can rest his fingers.
    

    Don't worry Mikey, Steve Morse is still playing excellent material.

    >  How do you play articles out of the Globe?
    
    Mikey, everything Steve Morse plays is "out of this world".
    
    No human could play guitar as well as Steve Morse.
    
    I think you need to just take the lumps you have coming for the fact
    that Joe Satriani is rapidly becoming a "blueser".   I always knew
    that would happen.
    
    	db

>    Mike (who prefers bluesers)
    
    I always knew you were a blueser.
    
    

    You're not allowed to be proud of it unless you've paid your dues.
    
    	db

    
    
    re-1
    
    
    eveyrones under paid!At least in their own minds they are@!
    
    						ian

    .499  and you didn't accept it???

Sometimes jobs like that don't exactly work out.

They are more interested in getting out of you what you learned while you worked
here.  Then they toss you out on your butt like an empty beer can when they're
done with you.

But 2X is plenty more I'd say.

Either that or Mike is not making much