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Conference napalm::heavy_metal

Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
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Moderator:BUSY::SLABB
Created:Thu May 05 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1238
Total number of notes:65616

120.0. "Thrash or Speed??" by SYSENG::FORTNEY () Wed Jun 22 1988 13:55

    I want to get some opinions on this. What is Speed metal,
    what is Thrash metal. Is there any difference? Is speed
    metal just a fast beat or fast playing (Malmsteen). There
    was a phrase- pop thrash -dropped earlier. I think today
    there are subdivisions of thrash and speed and blendings
    of both. Any takers??
    
    -Rey
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120.3in agreementREGENT::GALLANTTouched by a tiger's rage...Wed Jun 22 1988 14:2020
    
    
    	Not being into thrash or speed metal, I can say I'm an
    	expert on it, but I agree with Pete about the indifference.
    
    	There are a rather large array of "divisions" in metal.
    	Most groups now claim to be Metal, but are actually 
    	gussied up pop bands out to give the public what they want.
    
    	"the public" being the tape buying teenagers mostly, of
    	course!
    
    	The band gets their money and the public gets the tunes.
    	....back to the topic at hand,
    
    	I don't find there is much of a difference between speed 
    	and thrash metal...
    
    /kimm
    
120.4Trash and BleedUSHS08::DAVIS2You need wings to stay above it.Wed Jun 22 1988 17:3318
    
    	   There really is no true distinction (at least, not
    	one that applies to bands instead of songs).  It's 
    	another marketing scheme (like back-masking) to get 
    	the gum-chewing youths to buy more albums.
    
    	   Thrash has usually meant a more *punk* message
    	in the lyrics, being played fast (and not terribly 
    	accurately, unless they mean to strike all those
    	dischordant chords).
    
    	   Speed is simply metal that moves faster than
    	the speed of sound.  By the time you hear a note
    	the artists have already played four more... you are
    	always behind the band.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(also not an expert, but then again, who is)
120.5that punk is sunk!WILVAX::BOURQUEHave you hugged your Drums today?Thu Jun 23 1988 11:3112
    YOU MEAN..Thrash can make Trash
    
         My definition of Trash is hardcore punk (I dont really care
                                                          for it)
    
         Speed Metal I Love...Bands such as Metal Church
               (you know fast & roudy songs,but still have a bridge
                                           & a chorus !
    
    
                    only_my_opinion!
                                          Jim...Tama
120.6Trash thrash !!!RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEOpinion Set HiddenThu Jun 23 1988 11:369
    I'm with you Mr Tama, speed metal is fine but I think (OK, here
    comes an opinion and I don't know if we can still voice them or
    not ..) thrash = noise.  These bands may have talent but it's the
    same talent you would need to perform a hemmeroid (-5pts 4 spelling)
    transplant, not much use for it.
    
    
    
    					Mr Scary II
120.7thumbs downWILVAX::BOURQUEHave you hugged your Drums today?Thu Jun 23 1988 11:4710
    re;120.6
       hear,hear....
       my idea of music is not slame dancen and Trying to figure
    
       out what this singer is saying about my mother. 
    
                 So as the critics put....thumbs down I'D give it
      a 2 only because I have respect the opinion of others.....
    
      MR.Scarey II ???.......... 
120.8GOOD Thrash roolz!!REPAIR::EDWARDSWatch out, here comes a LAWNMOWER!Fri Jun 24 1988 06:2027
    
    
    	Before this gets too biased, I'd like to say that I like THRASH,
    and I'm probably the only guy on this conference who does.
    
    	Speed Metal is great, bands like Helloween, Metal Church, Crimson
    Glory.  Generally bands in this category look like other bands but
    play at the speed of light (most of the time anyway).
    
    	Thrash is the combination of many influences from punk, hardcore,
    'normal' metal, and speed metal.  There are two distinct divisions
    in thrash - Hardcore and Thrash.  The hardcore element comes mainly
    from the punk and the songs are either political or fun/nonsense.
    Also usually so fast you can't slam hard enough.  Thrash metal is
    definately different to hradcore, the songs are either about sex,
    money, Satan, science fiction, history, legend, infact almost anything
    except politics.  I tend towards the originators of the genre as
    I feel most of the newer groups are just jumping on the bandwagon
    with record companies signing any old shit that call themselves
    thrash.
    	The best include Nuclear Assault, Slayer, Possessed (RIP), Sodom,
    Voivod, Dark Angel, Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth, Onslaught, Tankard
    to name but a few.
    
    You have heard the voice of the Duck,
    
    		Quack, Quack.  MoshDuck.
120.10Me 3YODA::MCCARRONFri Jun 24 1988 14:2413
    Re .8
    
    Fun/nonsense = S.O.D.
                  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Paul
    
120.12thrash, or what?BUSY::JMINVILLEArthur Dent in another dimensionFri Jun 24 1988 17:329
    Being a mere infant in the world of metal madness, where would bands
    like London and Odin fit in the scheme of things???
    
    I watched a bit of "The Decline of Western Civilization -- The Metal
    Years" on EmptyV last night and they showed some cuts from the movie
    (e.g. Megadeth and the above-mentioned bands).  Anyway, London and
    Odin sounded like thrash, but was it hardcore or what?
    
    joe.
120.13Burble!Burble!Burble!REPAIR::EDWARDSWatch out, here comes a LAWNMOWER!Sat Jun 25 1988 09:0333
    
    
    	Rrroooaaarrrr!!! (a Duck with bite speaks)
    
    A couple more excellent speedies for ya'll :-
    
    Agent Steel
    Flotsam and Jetsam
    Testament (formerly Legacy)
    
    Glad to see I'm not the only psychopathic slammer around.  You lot
    in America got the Speed Kills series of compilations??  Excellent
    introductions to speed and thrash.
    
    Garfield for President, he's your cat
    Garfield for President, that's a fact
    Garfield for President, there's no one else
    Yo Garfield, go sell it!!
    "Hi! My name's Garfield, vote for me!"
    
    Excerpt from Garfield for President by Holy Terror.
    U.K. Thrash Rules.  Possessed R.I.P.  Voivod is the new demi-god.
    Most other metal is O.K. (WimpRock Dies In Hell)
    
    U.K.A.C.
    
    Lawnmower Deth are a name to watch out for,
    
    QUACK!QUACK! Gissa light 'n' bitter
    
    Don't slam too hard,
    
    			MoshDuck.
120.14a_voice_of_a_opinion!WILVAX::BOURQUEHave you hugged your Drums today?Sun Jun 26 1988 13:3024
    Lawnmower deth??????
                   Garfield for president???????
    
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                                     only_a_voice_of_a_opinion!
                                             Jim...Tama
120.15<NUCLEAR ASSAULT>REPAIR::EDWARDSWatch out, here comes a LAWNMOWER!Thu Jul 07 1988 11:0926
    
    	This a band among my favs.  They have an edge over a lot of
    other bands because they can PLAY and PLAY WELL!!  Lyrically the
    band is becoming a bit stale with constant songs about nuclear war
    and the holocaust but I believe they'll overcome this and Survive
    when most of thrash dies and the fashion goes elsewhere.
    
    Discography 
    
    Games Over - First LP
    Brain Death - 12"
    The Plague - Second (but sort of mini-LP)
    Survive - Latest and best
    
    Line up
    
    John Connelly - Guitar/vocals (stage diver extraordinaire)
    Danny Lilker - Bass/backing vox
    Glenn Evans - Lead
    Charlie Bramante - Drums
    
    d8')
    
    U.K.A.C.
    	       .kcuDhsoM
   
120.17MegaMosh.REPAIR::EDWARDSWatch out, here comes a LAWNMOWER!Fri Jul 08 1988 05:2310
    
    	If anyone in the U.K. wants to check them out they're playing
    with Slayer at the Hammy O, Sept 20th.
    
    Hang the Pope,
    			!
    			!
    			8'(
    
    The Duck.
120.18OK, I screwed upREPAIR::EDWARDSWARNING-lawnmower on the looseMon Jul 11 1988 05:1210
    
    	The real N.A. line up is :-
    
    	John Connelly - Guitar and vocals
    	Danny Lilker - Bass and backing vox
    	Anthony Bramante - Drums
    	Glen Evans - Lead guitar
    
    F#,
    	MoshDuck.
120.19Anybody out there?REPAIR::EDWARDSAlcoholicaMon Aug 08 1988 11:117
    
    
    	It's about time that this note got underway properly.  Anyone
    really inerested in thrash music, or am I the only one???
    
    I B Peed Off,
    		The MoshDuck.
120.21REPAIR::EDWARDSAlcoholicaThu Aug 11 1988 05:4925
    
    
    	Ok, that's a bit better, maybe others would like to chip in
    as well.
    		There's a new band just released their debut on vinyl,
    they are ANACRUSIS and the album's The Suffering Hour.  It's well
    produced and definitely has been influenced by the likes of Slayer
    and Metallica.
    
    		A few good British bands are about to break big, at
    last, this year.  Onslaught will finally release their third album
    in the autumn, after signing to a major label (London Records).
    Acid Reign, from Nottingham way, had great success with their mini
    L.P. earlier this year called Moshkinstein.  Sabbat, on Noise, were
    mega on their debut History of a Time to Come.  Virus finally came
    good on their second album, Force Recon.  I don't know if it's
    completely true, but it seems that the American end of the thrash
    world is pretty stale at the moment, there is no new direction
    everthing is very samey.
    
    	Did you hear about Piggy, of Voivod?  Apparently he has cancer
    of the throat and may not be able make vocal noises any more.
    
    Hang the Pope,
    		The Duck.
120.23PFLOYD::ROTHBERGThe Logrus . . .Thu Aug 11 1988 14:329
                Re: -.1

                Last week . . .
                
                Surfin' M.O.D.
                
                It's awful.
                
                
120.25PFLOYD::ROTHBERGThe Logrus . . .Thu Aug 11 1988 22:0210
                
                Actually, it's  not  an  LP, it's an EP.  I quote
                the ad "Recorded and  Mixed  in three days.  Look
                for  M.O..D.'s  new  album  this    fall,   Gross
                Misconduct." Only one member is the  same  as the
                last MOD album (I think).  Hope  you like surfing
                songs.
                
                
120.26LEPROSYREPAIR::EDWARDSIn vertigo you will beFri Oct 14 1988 14:0711
    
    
    
    	Death's new L.P. is great.  Possibly better than the debut
    but different (hence no direct comparison).  Real loud pounding
    drums, scorching guitars and vocals that just make you want to
    crawl into a ball and die.
    
    This is a buy or die album,
    
    Count MoshDuckula.
120.27SHALOT::FAILEThief! Baggins! We hates it!Wed Dec 06 1989 01:294
    Thrash rules!!!! With groups like Testament, M.O.D., And Nuclear
    Assault, How can people not like Thrash????
    
    Jeff
120.28Is it allowed ?CASEE::LALLIDidier - BCE Valbonne - DTN 828.5423Wed Dec 06 1989 06:585
>How can people not like Thrash????

Because they have different taste.

Didier
120.29CHIPS::PERTAGWed Dec 06 1989 12:002
    
    - boy that answer took a lot of thought -
120.30BUFFER::GOLDSMITHMorals make me laughWed Dec 06 1989 15:022
    
    -so did the question-
120.31CHIPS::PERTAGWed Dec 06 1989 15:071
    hey, whatta know we agree 8) - Kim
120.32BUFFER::GOLDSMITHMorals make me laughWed Dec 06 1989 15:205
    Hey, if there's one thing I can agree on, it's music.  :-)
    
    And that's Sir, to you!  :-)
    
    King_Steve_Sir
120.34CSC32::J_HERNANDEZCan't think of a funny p_nameWed Dec 06 1989 15:325
    
    >>>The Bad Brains rool! 8-)
    
    
    Yo mean (d)rool!  Ever see their singer? 
120.35BINKLY::MINARDISanta rules!!Wed Dec 06 1989 15:341
    Another vote for Bad Brain roolage!!
120.37Learn control...........COMET::FRISBYASweet CheaterTue Jan 14 1992 18:096
    Thrash or speed?   Does it matter? 8)
    
     I use to be into quickies......
    
                    Frizkid
    
120.38"OVERKILL RULES"COMET::LAURICHFri Oct 29 1993 05:4214
    
    
             THRASH RULES!!!!
    
    
           If you're gonna listen to fast music, listen to *FAST* music.
    I can understand people that don't like thrash, or speed medal,
    (or whatever you want to call it) but that is just their taste.
    Personally, I like all types of music! Thrash just happens to be
    my fave!! If you are into it, it makes you want to kill someone;^)
    
                   That's when I pick up my guitar!!!
    
                                Jeffy
120.39MILKWY::LEDigUpGravesSexWithTheDeadIsWhatICraveFri Oct 29 1993 13:3610
    Re: Jeff
          If you want listen to FAST music, should try Death/black Metal
    
    
    -Dle
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120.40COMET::MARTINNokay,now what?....Fri Oct 29 1993 23:125
    re. -Dle
    
    Actually I've just started to get into death metal, so any suggestions
    ya got are welcomed!
                        Rat
120.41Death is good but funky is better.COMET::RANEYMon Nov 01 1993 12:346
    I like some Death but I lean more toward the bizarre: 
    gwar and that type of thing.  Try Mr. Bungle if you like fast, it has 
    some incredible time changes and the song"Squeeze Me Macaroni" is
    faster than any I've ever seen.  I'd like to see anybody try and Keep
    up, Anybody!
    
120.42MILKWY::LEDigUpGravesSexWithTheDeadIsWhatICraveTue Nov 02 1993 12:4832
    Re: Rat
    
    >Actually I've just started to get into death metal, so any suggestions
    >ya got are welcomed!
    >                    Rat
	  Well, the best idea is give me your address.  I'll make for you
	  a compilation tape with all differrent bands on it.  Probably,
	  one song per each band.  If certain band you like on the tape
	  just go out and buy one.  That way should save lots of your 
	  money I think.


    Re: Raney 

    >I like some Death but I lean more toward the bizarre: 
    >gwar and that type of thing.  Try Mr. Bungle if you like fast, it has 
    >some incredible time changes and the song"Squeeze Me Macaroni" is
    >faster than any I've ever seen.  I'd like to see anybody try and Keep
    >up, Anybody!
	  As far as I know, death/black metal is the fastest and brutal music 
	  out there of these days.  I don't know what type of music of their 
	  "Mr. Bungle" style?  So, I can't really tell that if they are fast 
	  enough?  I can judged by their name "Mr. Bungle" probably one of 
	  the heavy metal band, are they?


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