Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    I like "commin' under fire" from Pyromania.  Good track
    I wasn't too keen on Hysteria coz I thought it didn't live up to
    the previous Lep albums, but as the guys had problems they are excused
    :-)
    
    I like "Love Bites" from Hysteria, good ballard.
    
    -Tony

    	My fav DF song has got to be "Billy's Got A Gun" from Pryromania.
    I don't see how anyone can sit still when that one's on.  My least
    fav is "Hysteria" nd I think the 2EZ boize know why..........
    
    .... it's better to burn out ..... than fade way !!!!
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    
    
    	I don't want to start a controvery here, but can someone answer
    	a question for me???
    
    	Rush is NOT HM by most people's standards, but Def Leppard
    	is??  Am I right??  Yo no comprende, amigo!!
    
    	
    	/kimster
    

    
    
    I must confess that I have only just started listening to Heavy
    Metal and all these AWESOME bands!!  I don't know why it took
    me so long to find this music but I guess it's better late than
    never.
    
    The only album of Def's that I have (right now) is Hysteria and
    I think it is GREAT!!!  Although the whole album is AWESOME I 
    must say that some of my most favorite songs on the album would
    have to be Love Bites (it's true isn't it?) and Pour Some Sugar
    on Me.  
    
    I can't wait -- July 30 at Great Woods - Def Leppard with Europe!!!
    
    Tracy
    
    

    Favorite song:
    
        "Rock 'Til You Drop" - Pyromania
    
    Alan S.

    
        RE: Kim
    
            Def Leppard is going through their 'wimping out' stage
            right now.  They're trying to play for the teenage girls
            (who buy more records than most of the other groups) rat-
            her than satisfy us Metalheads.
    
            I disagree with Pete, though - I love Pyromania.  Almost
            (if not every) song is fantastic (my favorite?  Coming
            Under Fire).  I haven't heard much from the first two
            albums, so can't make any observations.  On the contrary,
            I've heard TOO MUCH from Hysteria (2 or 3 songs) and have
            made my judgment known OFTEN.
    
            Rush never really was HM, but had 'hints' of HM in some
            of their songs.  Besides a few exceptions, they are real-
            ly a medium-hard rock band, which is of course a matter
            of opinion.
    
            If anyone wants to continue this, please start another
            topic (or add on to another one already in progress).
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Also in line with the current consensus in this note,  I thought
    that 'High & Dry' was their best.  I liked Pyromania too.  Hysteria
    is ok, but not what the prev albums were.
    
    re: .-1 I totally agree with WJB on Europe, excuse me while I puke.
    
    gh

    
    	I've got all of Leps tapes. I think every one of 'em is great.
    Currently got On Thru The Night and High 'n Dry in the house and
    Pyro and Hysteria in the sled. Can't get enuff. I like all of their
    songs. Haven't heard the first two in a long time. Favs right now
    are Love Bites, Animal, Pour Some Sugar On Me, Billy's Got A Gun...
    Heck I like em all!   HEH HEH!!
    
    	Dave

    
    	Also a note of great success with this band. Like Buck said,
    these guys were in wicked debt before Hysteria. Their efforts
    for this album has propelled them in the metal standings as a
    band who can pull their own weight. The monetary value of this band
    has well exceeded what the promoters had ever hoped. My metal loyalty
    goes out to Rick Allen. For someone to come back from a car crash
    with one arm and not give up, practice his brains out with a 
    new set of bangs to a top level drummer is one of the greatest
    comebacks in metal today. I'll just say, Thank you Rick Allen 
    for not quitting on us.
    
    	Dave

    Oh SH*T!  What did I start??????
    
        Of course these notes are for people to reply with their own
    opinions.  I personally hate when people knock me(us) Lep fan's
    down.  
    
    
          I like all of Def Lep's LP's.  Afew songs I like are Pour
    Some Sugar On Me, Let It GO and Rock of Ages.  I would like to agree
    with the comment of Rick Allen.  I still have all the paper clippings
    and interviews of Rick's accident.  The main reason they were in
    such debt was because of Rick.  They were working on the new album
    when this happened.  Since Rick decided not to quit and everyone
    else decided to keep him, they reviewed all of their work while
    Rick recovered and adjusted.  They made major changes on the songs
    of the Hysteria album.  Some songs such as "Rocket" is too long.
    All of the talk of Reagan is Bullsh*t.  I don't feal proud flying
    down Rt. 9 with this song cranked on my Blap. speakers.
    
    Brian
    
       Kim, thanks for note of confidence!!!!!!! :*(
    

    High and Dry is the real Leppard. Pyromania was a bit more commercial
    and Hysteria (I do like a couple of songs) is definitely geared
    to bubble-gum chewing teeny-bopper metalheads. Not us veterans of
    the heavy metal trenches. Ditto on Europe. 
    
                                              Riffmaster Roy

       Did anyone happen to hear the DEF LEP tour was going?  any reports
    or opinions?
    
    
         I need two tickets for Great Woods  inthe seat section!  Can
    anyone help me out?
    
    Bri

    
    
    Brian -
    
    	I'd love to help you out with both your questions but I'm sorry
    	to report that I can't.  If I had an extra ticket I'd give it
    	to you but unfortunately they're a popular bunch of guys.  I
    	already have about 10 people going.  
    
    Tracy
    
    I'm so psyched - I can't wait for July 30!!
    
    

    
    	   Def Leppard is now officially my current favorite band.
    	After falling madly in love with practically everything
    	on Hysteria (most notably Excitable and Pour Some Sugar
    	On Me), I rushed out and purchased every other tape they've
    	made.  So far I have only had a chance to listen to
    	Pyromania all the way through, but (in my opinion) it
    	is just as good as Hysteria, with just as many killer
    	tunes.
    
    	   One thing I particularly like about Def Leppard is that
    	(unlike most bands) each album is chock full of great music.
    	Most bands give you one or two good songs with about 8 to 10
    	filler tunes that rightfully belong in the trash pile.  Even
    	the so-so tunes on the Def Leppard albums are better than
    	most bands 'good stuff'.
    
    	   Call me a Def Leppard fan for life... as far as I'm concerned
    	they are the best of contemporary pop-metal.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(Def Leppard rules!)

    Also, "Bringing On The Heartache" and the instrumental that follows
    will blister your brain !!!
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    I have to agree!  "High and Dry" is my favorite too, followed closely
    by "Pyromania".  I saw them open for Ted Nugent right after H&D
    came out and they kicked butt.  I'd like to see them again now.
    Not so sure I wanna fight my way through the teenie boppers for
    it though...
    
    Scary is correct...that instrumental after Bringing on the Heartache is
    cool (what is that thing called, something with a number in it)!  Also
    if you have the newer version of H&D, there are two different mixes of
    BringinOTH on there, a nice extra. 
    
    gh

    
    sigh........my hero 

    re: .22
    
.22>     Even I like High & Dry and I don't like Def Leppard.
    
    	   I haven't decided whether to publicly chastise you for that
    	remark... you know you deserve it.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-

    re: .24
    
    .......... and took a rough stone (High and Dry) and polished into
    diamonds .................... IMO
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    re: .27
    
    	   Well, pop-metal has one advantage over the thrash/speed
    	stuff... it gets some airplay.  And in a city (like Houston)
    	which has NO hard-rock radio, even pop-metal is a breath of
    	fresh air amidst a veritable bog of top-40/CW crap-noise.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(who likes Pyromania and Hysteria... A LOT)

    
        Pyromania is the best thing they've ever done.
    
                                                       Shawn GTI
    

    re: .31
    
    	   Good one, Pete... buy you might have improved it by
    	saying either 'Hysterical' or 'Pyromaniacal' scream.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-

    
    Always the same problems with HM Maniacs...
    
    Each time one of their favorite bands come out with a great
    album, people (like me and you most of the time) buy it. Then
    it got to a TOP-whatever and then they renounce to it.
    
    HM fans are jealous people...they don't want HM bands to have success.
    They don't want any not-HM fans to like the same band as they do.
    
                                               
    Scorpions,Europe, or Def got money from singles bought by wimps... 
                                     
    Yes but don't confuse !
    HM fan is the one that knows the whole LP, the previous ones
    any details on the band' members and goes to the concert. 
    
    So what ? Don't worry about TOP-XX
    
    Successful HM bands are still HM bands !   
     
 
       Come on...be tolerant
                                                      
    
       		Didier  "Long Live Rock & Roll"
                                      

    
   
     re.33                
         
    I AGREE !!!!!!!!!!!
                       
    Thats one of the most intelligent replies I've ever read in this
    conference.        
                       
    Rock til you're crazy.......
         
    -Tony

    re: .33
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(who also agrees)

    re: .33
    
    I agree also! Let the teeneboppers love'm now. We loved them before
    and will continue to do so after the spotlight is gone! It's the
    music that counts, not the sales or chart figures!
    
    cat

    re: .33 
    
    I agree as well!  Just because something is popular doesn't mean
    it's not good.  While I think a lot of bands come out with commercial
    stuff (which propogates itself when it succeeds), I think that most
    have SOME of their root type music on succeding albums.
    
    gh

    How was Sat. nites show?
    I couldn't get tix at the door- for once a concert was truly sold
    out ahead of time.
    All details wanted
    

    
    
    Well, let me tell you, the show was AWESOME!!  
    
    Europe, of course, was on first.  They played from 7:30 - 8:15.
    Being the Europe fan that I am I thought they were good.  The only
    thing I don't like about them is the way the announce the song they
    are going to sing before they start singing it - very aggravating!!
    
    Def didn't come on until 9:00.  Everyone was getting real restless
    waiting for them.  They put their Hysteria banner up on stage and
    when they came out to play the fun began!  The played a lot of their
    'old' songs like:  Too Late, Stage Right (?), Rock of Ages, Photograph,
    and Heartbreak.  From the new album they played:  Women, Hysteria,
    Animal,  Pour Some Sugar on Me, and Love Bites.
    
    They also had an incredible laser show.  The lighting on the stage
    was great - the whole thing was outrageous!!  
    
    At one point Joe was talking to us while everyone else from the
    band was backstage and he started saying that it had been a long
    time since they came out with an album and he was asking/telling
    us why that was so.  Of course, now Rick Allen is out on stage and
    he went over to him and had him stand up and he got the longest
    and loudest standing ovation I have ever heard!!!
    
    This being the first time I have seen Def in concert - I will never
    forget it.  Joe has a stage presence that is totally phenomenal!
     He really knows how to keep the audience into it.
    
    Tracy
    

    
        Tracy:
    
               Stage Right = 'Stage Fright'
    
               And if they promised not to play anything off of
               'Hysteria' I'd definitely go to see them.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    re: .41
    
    	Shawn,
    
    	   I feel obligated to publicly humilaite you for your
    	last remark regarding the 'Hysteria' album.  Sure, I
    	know your opinion on the matter... sure you have a right
    	to have that opinion... I'm here to inform you that you
    	also have the right to keep it to yourself!
    
    	   I LOVE the 'Hysteria' album, and yes, I love 'High and
    	Dry' too... so get off their backs... PRONTO!  Try listening
    	to the cuts that don't get airplay (or in this case, concert-
    	play) such as 'Excitable' (or practically anything on side
    	two of the tape).  
    
    	    DEF ROCKS, and I will truck no opinions to the contrary!
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(still thinking of the best way to humilaite a co-moderator)

    
    RE-1
    
    I couldn't have said it any better!!
    
    
    				Scott.
    

    
    
    
    	anyone out there (within the MA area) going to get tickets
    	for Def Lep/Queensryche tomorrow and who would be willing
    	to pick me up a couple???
    
    	If so, send me mail...
    
    	/tig!
    

The video, Hystoria, just came out within the last week or so over
here in the U.S. It does indeed seem to be a bargain - a 90 minute
video for $19.95! I haven't seen it yet, so I can't give a review.
Were there any live songs on there?

cat

    RE .48
    
    The Hello America video was taken from a recording they did for
    our Top of the Pops programme. It was never shown as it was recorded
    in advance in case the single went anywhere. Sadly it didnt, so
    the footage was shelved.
    	The American version of Pour some sugar on me was filmed live,
    I dont know the name of the venue, but it was where the stage was
    in the middle and the audience was all around it. Also there was
    one other song recorded there, Im not sure but it may have been
    Armageddon (sp?) it. This was screened in Britain, possibly US as
    well.
    	Rumours were put about (in the video itself) that the rest of
    the show was recorded and will be released later this year (around
    Christmas) in Britain, look out for it.
    
    Anyway, its my home time, See Ya  - Brynn.
    

                Not one  of  my  favorite bands, but does anybody
                know  why  they  changed  their  name  from  DEAF
                LEOPARD to DEF LEPPARD?    When  I saw them years
                back,  all their tour equipment  had  the  former
                stenciled on it.
                
                

    re .50
    
    An extract from the Def Leppard book - Animal Instinct :
    
    After a few weeks, there was some grumbling about the spelling of
    deaf leopard. It was the high season for punk-rock in England and
    bans like the flying lizards and the boomtown rats (featuring future
    live aid impressario Bob Geldof) were all the rage. Deaf Leopard
    were keen to get out and play, but not to pack pasty-faced,
    spikey-topped chainsaw carrying troublemakers. Joe says it was Tony
    Kenning's (first drummer) idea to change the spelling of the name.
    Tony cant remember. Everrybody insists that the resemblance of the
    new spelling - Def Leppard - to Led Zeppelin was strictly
    unintentional. Whatever, it sounded good, looked good, and eventually
    even Pete Willis, who thought the whole idea was "daft", came to
    like it.
    
    	This all happened in late 1977, so what you probably saw stencilled
    on their tour equipment was their idea of taking the piss out of
    themselves, a little parody. They have done it in a couple of their
    early videos also, written on the front of the bass drum etc.
    
    	I respect your opinion in not liking them too much, although
    I still think they are FAB.  (and kick Ass - for all the Americans
    out there)
    
    Anyway See Ya  - Brynn.
    			the_still_a_devout_Def_Lepp_fan.
     

    re 52
    
    Yeah I like to spread the faith, also since my car has no soundproofing
    there tends to be a bit of overspill. Next time it'll probably be
    Hign 'n' Dry as that is the latest addition to my CD collection.
    
    See Ya - Brynn.
    		 ^ NOTE the other 'n'.
    
    	the_very_LOUD_Lep_fan.

           re.61
    
    It's a center stage concert. There shouldn't be a lousy seat in
    the place.  I've seen the show before.  You and you're son should
    love it.
    
    Steve O

    
    
    	Well, I've decided that Chris and I are going.  Actually,
    	the decision was mine.  Anyways!
    
    	I still don't remember the seats and doubt that I'll
    	remember everyone else's, but it's tomorrow night,
    	and I'm psyched....
    
    	Tig~~
    

                Now, how  many people actually *sit* in the right
                seats!
                
                

    re -.1
    
    If you've got seats as good as mine,  (section 124, rowJJ [7 rows
    off of the floor] seat 10 or 11) You'd stay right where you were.
    
    I'll post a review tomorrow.  Queensryche should be incredible as
    well!

    to anyone in central Mass who wants to go....
    
    The centrum usually releases some tickets at about 4:00pm and then
    again after the opening act gets off of the stage (but who'd want
    to miss Queensryche????)  Anyway, get on the phone and get someone
    out there to get some tickets.....
    
    Steve O

    
    Well lets here how the concert was.....
    
    I'm heading there tonite
    
    Steve
    

    Wow, my ears are ringing and my eyes are bugging out.  Absolutely
    incredible show.  Queensryche kicked ass!  and so did DEF LEP.
    
    Center stage is the only way to go if the band can do it correctly.
    and they did.
    
    Anyone care to put up a song list, I wouldn't know where to start.
    They played everythin I wanted to hear except "rockit"
    
    Steve O
    

    Queensryche had the BEST sound of any opening act I've ever heard!
    They sounded JUST like the record, and that's no lie.
    
    Their set was the following:
    
    Queen of the Reich
    Anarchy X
    Revolution Calling
    Operation Mindcrime
    Speak
    Spreading the Disease
    Take Hold of the Flame
    Breaking the Silence
    I Don't Believe in Love
    Eyes of a Stranger
    Anarchy X Reprise

    They were great, I'd sem em again in a sec.  Def lep was ok, They
    were too loud, and Steve Clark's "guitar solo(?)" gave me a headache.
    They were fun to watch, but Joe's voice was kinda shot.
    
    Biased? not really...
    
    Buck

    re -.2
     Yea, Joe's voice was a bit cooked.  But they put on a hell of a
    show considering they've been touring for almost a year and a half.
    
    Steve O

    
    
    	I went and thought the entire show was excellent!
    	I don't know many of Queensryche's songs, but they still
    	got me rockin' which means something in my book!!
    
    	We had seats that were pretty high, but the view was
    	perfect.  Amazing laser show!
    
    	Tig~~
    

    
        I finally have something nice to say about Def Leppard's
        new stuff ...
    
        there's a girl in the front row during the '... Sugar ...'
        video that's GORGEOUS ... she's wearing a black shirt or
        something like that.  Appears towards the beginning of the
        video.
    
                                                       GTI
    

>        there's a girl in the front row during the '... Sugar ...'
>        video that's GORGEOUS ... she's wearing a black shirt or
>        something like that.  
    
Shawn, I think you and I have the same taste. Are you talking about the
girl with dark hair, sort of has her arms raised up above her head to
clap along? That one? She is *unbelievable*!!!  

slobber...slobber.....drool.......8^P

cat

    
    I second the slobbering over that woman
    
    
    				M
    				 B
    

    I must let you know that us English metal heads have good taste
    as well.
    
    	I agree totally with what has been said, a fine looking wench.
    A bexy sitch even.
    
    Brynn_the_Lep_Fan_who_wishes_he_knew_her_too.
    

    
        Nope, she's a brunette.
    
                                                       GTI
    

>        Nope, she's a brunette.

Yeah, the one GTI and I are talking about is definitely a brunette. She
appears during the first bridge of the song - she's singing along and
sort of closes her eyes as the camera hits her. Check it out - she is hot!

cat

    
    	All I gotta' say is, `They don't build `em like that in 
    Vermont !' :^)  Basically, any pretty women in VT  have  to
    be imports from other states or tourists. :^)
    
    METALord"

    Just kiddin' fellow VT'ers. :^)

    
    
    The girl you are talking about is a brunette and they put the camera
    on her at the time when Def is singing "......shake it up..."  
    She has her arms above her head and is moving them to the words
    of the song.
    
    Tracy
    
    P.S.  I just thought I'd help you out in clarifying who you were
    talking about.  Don't think I'm on the 'iffy' side but I would say
    she is rather nice looking.
    
    

    
    Did anyone catch the MTV special on Sunday? (All day long!!!!!!!!!)
    
    
        Whatcha think?
    
    I thought it was very good, they covered just about everything anyone
    would want to know.
    
    DAWN

    This is to note 64.11 - VLSBOS::COSTA!
    
      I'LL SECOND THE MOTION!  It's just phenomenal! (sp?).  I felt
      so bad for him when that happend.  I wonderd what was to become
      of him.  AND the band!
                            
      Put yourself in his shoes.  What would you have done?  I honestly
      don't know, I don't think I would have had the strength he had.
    
      The will, and strength, and determination of him is just incredible! 
      I envy Rick Allen, I really do. 
    
      Here's to you, Dave!!
    
    
      ROCK, ROCK- `TILL YOU DROP!!
    
      Sandy M.
    

    
    I too have read Animal Instinct, a class book.
    
    Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get hold of copies of these
    songs, Any idea where I can get them from ?
    
    Brynn.

I heard an interview with DL over the weekend, and they said their
next project is a live video from this tour, which they hope to
get out sometime this winter. No exact date was mentioned.....

cat

    
    The British version has been out for a couple of weeks now. The
    video was the band in a darkened studio, surrounded by boxes and
    dozens of monitors. The monitors displaying key words throughout
    the song, and also pieces of VT to fit in with the lyrics. Bit's
    include, the sweet, T-Rex, Queen, Elton John (Rocket Man ?) David
    Bowie.
    
    On the B side to the single, they certainly did something new and
    original. This is the story :
    
    Apparently one of their roadies was a *BIG* Tom Jones fan, and went
    around all the time, singing his songs, particularly Please Release
    Me. So they surrupticiously got him in front of a mike, and let
    him sing it. They (unbeknown to him) recorded it, added some backing
    music and placed it on the B side of their Rocket single.
    
    This is what happened in the UK, it will be interesting to find
    out what you've got in the states.
    
    Brynn.
    

    In the states "Release Me" was put on the "B" side to Armegedon
    It" and I hear that there is suppesed to a live version of "Women"
    on the flip side of "Rocket" but I havrn't seen it in the stores
    yet.
    
    Rock Brigader
    

    	I heard an official statement from Def Leppard recently which
    	said, "Don't call us heavy metal."
    
    	I really like some of their music.  It's got a good beat and
    	you can dance to it.  ;-)
    
    							Carla
    

    	I had to laugh when I heard that statement.  Maybe next thing
    	they'll enlighten us on is that they're not punk or country...
    

    
          All I know is that they have earned what they got
    

    Very true - "High And Dry" to me was *almost* a metal album, it
    was hot anyway ... but then along came the Top-40 monster and smashed
    the metal to bits.  The way I figure it, if Casey Casem ever says
    your name once, then you can't be classified as metal, barely rock.
    Neat album covers though ...
    
    
    				Def Scary

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    Re; .14
    
    dead Leppar or something to that affect was mentioned in here a couple
    days ago.  It's not that I don't like them... they're OK. HIGH & DRY
    was the best LP (IMO) I just think I've heard them too much on the
    radio.... kinda like the Chinese food every day analogy.... you get
    sick of it after a while and you want something else. D.L. was good in
    concert though.
    
    JR

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    		One would tend to get "burnt-out" on them with the amount
    of air play that they get. This is on reson that I dont llisten
    to the radio. I will agree with you "HIGH & DRY" is their **best**
    album!
    
    
    				CB

    
    	
    	Their long-awaited concert home video, featuring footage
    	shot primarily in Denver, CO and  Atlanta, GA, should hit
    	the stores some time in July for those who are interested.
    
    	(According to Metal Edge magazine)
    
    	Tigga~~~

    Any news on when Def Leppard will be putting out a new album?
    My girlfriend's gettin' impatient!
    Spaceknight
    

I got the new Vid at the weekend.

Very good, I like it a lot, it has some excellent songs.

One thing however I was dissapointed about was the sound, even through my stereo
video, the mix sounded wrong and a little muffled.

Wel worth getting though if you're a Lep Fan.


Brynn.

Lately I've been hearing a lot of the re-mix of "Pour Some Sugar On Me". Is 
this a re-release? Or is it from somewhere else? Or what?

For those who haven't heard it, its sorta like your basic remix (rearrange the 
song, repeat lots of sections, drop off the vocals, etc.). Its not so bad, as 
it tends to bring the guitars to the forefront of the music.

cat

    
    
    It also has been changed to stereo or not stereo but i.e. in other
    words I have one speaker in my car and now I only hear half the
    song whearas before one speaker was no problem.
    
    F.

    I AM SORRY TO SAY TO ALL OF YOU JOE ELLIOTT (FEMALE) FANS...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    HE GOT MARRIED ON FRIDAY THE 20TH OF OCT. IN SHEFFIELD ENGLAND (HIS
    HOME TOWN) TO HIS LONGTIME GIRLFRIEND (3 OR 4 YEARS) CARLA.I WASN'T
    THRILLED BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT IN THAT BUSINESS IT MUST BE REALLY
    HARD TO FIND AN HONEST PERSON YOU CAN TRUST.
    
    MY BEST TO JOE AND HIS (SNIFF) WIFE.
    
        DAWN

    Another tape I've been listening to is "Hysteria".  I really like this
    tape and Def Leppard's guitar sounds.  They're not guitar monsters but
    I like their "sound".
    
    Sound is courtesy of Jackson guitars and Randall amps.
    
    Mike

    I know the Def gang takes a lot of abuse (in here anyway) but
    "Hysteria" on CD through a nice system has a BIG sound.  These guys
    put some thought into the mix of these songs ... gotta give 'em
    credit for at least that much.  
    
    
    				Scary

    FYI...
    
    WHen Hysteria was recorded, the Def dudes were using Marshall 100wt
    tops and Gibson/Ibanez guitars!!

    
    Thats exactly what they were using, but don't forget, most of that
    album is sampled through midi equipment and not actually played.
    
    Mr. Ed

    That tape is one of the better all-around recordings that I've heard in
    a while!  The CD must be killer!
    
    I have a $3,000+ hi-fi system and thought the tape was superb.
    
    Mike

    Pretty funny p-name Mike.
    
    I like the sound on Hysteria, but I think Pyromania sounds just as
    good, if not better. (The CD at least).
    
    the devil dog

    right back at you devil dog

    DEF LEPPARD IS ONE OF THE WORST BANDS AROUND!!
    JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIER DRUMMER HE ONLY HAS ONE
    ARM AND HE ROTS!!!!!
    THE SINGER BITES TO 

    now heres a guy with alot of class.
    

    Hey, .121
    
    Shut of the CAPS and learn to spell, will ya?

    
    	Def Leppard useta be good 'til they "sold out" to the teeny-
    	boppers with their "Top 40" stuff.
    
    	Listen to "Pyromania" ... now there's a kick-*ss album.
    
    	And why do they "bite"?  Care to expand on that?  And care
    	to shut off the CAPS-LOCK?  Thanks.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    	Where did this person come from?  Wherever it is, go back...
    
    	JJ
    

     
    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
    
    Hats off to .121 for the biggest laugh of my day!!!!! I'm crying over
    here!!!!!! 
    	For some reason I thought that was incredibly funny!!!!
    
    Don't listen to 'em dude!!
    /Motorbreath...I can't breathe!!!

    re. last ten!!
    
    		i fail to see the humor!
    
    

                Oh Wendy...    the  homor  is  there.  I found it
                quite hysterical myself!!    Excellent  review...
                HA HA!!
                
                

    re:robn
    
    takin spellin lesson from me?
    
    (homor?):^}
    
    
    
    

    re Drummer stinking.
    
    I think he probably stinks less with one arm, only one armpit. ;^)
    
    
    re  singer bites.
    
    I bet he does. he bites his food I'm sure.

    
    A drummer with one arm, two guitarist's that can't play, a singer
    that can't sing, and a bass player that plays one note.
    
    I can definetely see the humor in that!  What about you Motorbreath?
    I'm dyin' here! AGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGA!
    
    By the way, is that drum sticks I see the (supossed) drummer with
    all the time or are they just short arm crutches?  AGAGAGAGAGA!
    
    Mr. Ed...if everyone used midi as much as these guys, no one would
             need any instruments
                                                                   

    Meanwhile, they [Def Lepp] laugh all the way to the bank...
    
    I think they spent more than 70 weeks on the Rolling Stone top 50
    albums list.
    
    Why does everybody think they're so bad?  I'm no expert, but I
    think they have a pretty decent sound, are well-produced, write
    some good tunes.  Is everybody raggin' on 'em 'cuz they're kinda
    glam metal??  Or, are they really terrible musicians/singers/etc.??
    
    I give the drummer a lot of credit.  I have had three friends who
    have lost arms/hands/etc. and I take my hats off to their efforts
    to continue to draw (two of them were excellent artists) and, in
    one case, play guitar.
    
    joe.    

    
    I agree with Joe, Def Leppard, whilst not really my cup ot tea,
    aren't that bad.
    
    The guitar players are both good, (anybody who says otherwise
    obviously has no knowledge of such things). 
     
    The drummer has had to overcome a severe tragidy in order to continue
    his carear as a drummer (he's done damn well too).
                                      
    As for Joe Elliott and Rick Savage (vocals and bass respectivly),
    they are both decent musicians.   
                                      
    It makes me sick to see all "one arm bandit" jokes. How would uou
    people like it if you lost and limb and had to try and continue
    your carear - especially in something as demanding as the music
    business ??            
                                                   
    Grow up children and try and earn some respect or develop some 
    maturity.

    
    	Thank you for that Tony...I was trying to figure out
    	what to write but you summed it up fairly well for me.
    
    	JJ
    

    yeah yeah yeah... 
    I just thought the note was funny, no comment on Rick's talent
    or anything... the note was like one of those blunt grotesque
    jokes, you know, like "why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
    It was dead!" or "why did the little girl fall off the swings? 
    She had no arms!" The note had the same effect on me... it killed
    me!!! "they are the worst band! Just look at the drummer, he only
    has one arm, and he rots!" ha ha haha!!!
    
    /Motorbreath...doesn't care much for the band's latest, except "Animal"

    
    Thanks Motorbreath,
    
    Thats all it was was a joke.  Don't like it?  Tough!
    I take back the cut down on the guitarists.  But the bass player
    is real good at holding one note, and I've never liked Mr. Elliot's
    voice.  The whole hysteria album is nothing but sampled suckatash,
    anyone with access to such "machinery" could have done the same
    thing and instead of splitting the money five ways, taken it him
    or herself!
    
    Mr. Ed...shoulda took today off instead of yesterday!  
             I don't wanna grow up!!
    
    

    Tony, why don't you go take a valium? You seem soooo tense. Or hey,
    even better, go get a nice hot fudge sundea from the cafeteria, or even
    a jelly donut, I heard you are pretty good at eating those. 
    
    the devil dog who likes DefLep but had to put his little jokes in.

Mr. Ed,

Keep in mind that, IMO, utilizing those machines to create a good sound and a 
good song is just as much a talent as playing the guitar or singing well. Not 
everyone can use technology to produce good music, and I would never berate a 
band for that fact alone.

alan

    
    
    I would! AGAGAGA!
    
    Mr. Ed...no machines!

    While I have a lot of respect for the drummer who made a come-back,
    I have even more respect for the others in the band who waited 3
    years for him to learn his new gadget...You know if was long and
    tuff.
    
    jc (who used to play in a band with a bassist with 3 fingers...)

    My point exactly Pete...And while he was learning, those other boize
    musta been chomping at the bit big time !
    
    jc

    
    	I just listened to "On Through the Night" ... these guys
    	knew how to play back in 1980.
    
    	What happened?  They wimped out completely for "Hysteria".
    	The guitars are toned down (well, not toned down ... but
    	it definitely doesn't stand out as "heavy").
    
    	Oh well ... I think I'll dig up "High 'n' Dry" so I can
    	reminisce about the "real" Def Leppard.
    
    							GTI
    

    Because Pete Willis was playing lead and Phil Collen is now playing
    lead.  IMO Pete is a better player that Phil.
    
    Bill K.

    
    	I dug out "High 'n' Dry" last night, and it's good.  I think
    	I still like "Pyromania" better though.
    
    	I'll hafta give it a couple more listens, but what I do know
    	is that "Let It Go" is one of my favorite DL songs.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    High and Dry is definately their best!  

    I agree with you too!  "High and Dry" is definately their best in my
    book!  They really rocked back then.  I hope they return to that with
    their next album rather then staying with the "Hysteria" mainstream
    material so much.  If I hear another song like "Rock It" from them I
    may have to puke or something.
    
    gh

    I dunno - I think once a band hits it big on radio, they're stuck
    in that mode.  What responsible record company would allow a
    breadwinner to "change their style" when they're sell sh*tloads
    of albums ?  Hopefully, they'll at least have a few tunes similar
    to "Bringing On The Heartbreak", or "Let It Roll" to satisfy the
    rockers along with the techno-sap that oozed from "Hysteria".
    
    
    
    				Scary

    I think I heard a new song from them on the radio last night.  Their
    new one must be close to out now.
    
    It was another ballad-type song.  It sounded less "techno-sappy" than
    Hysteria, but still pretty sappy.
    
    S

    re: .156
    
    "Let it Roll"?  You mean "Let it Go"!  That's a great song, one of my
    fav off High & Dry.
    
    Greg

    
    What'd you say, babe? ...WHAP! ...Oh, sorry, yes dear, right away...
    Any news on an upcoming album release date yet? My life's in danger!
    Spaceknight
    

    Has anybody heard their new song?  It's called Tear it Down, and
    I keep hearing it on WAAF.  Not bad.  I like it better than the
    stuff they put out on Hysteria.  
    
    
    Steve

    
    Is it more like Pyromania or High and Dry?  I did/do like Hysteria but
    like the raw energy of their previous album.  I like most of their 
    stuff, but "Wasted" is best song they ever done, IMO.
    
    J-Dot

    
    
    	I'm not sure that there was a specific album it came from,
    	but I know it was the B side to Women.  It's been re-released.
    
    	Tigga~~~ who thought it was pretty cool

    RE:  J-Dot
    
    It's not as heavy as High 'n' Dry, but it sounds more raw than their
    newer stuff.  Kinda lies between High n Dry, and Pyromania.  I don't
    know if it was recorded at the same time as the Hysteria stuff,
    but it is VERY different (mostly in production) than the material
    on Hysteria.   IMHO of course.
    
    
    Steve
    
    
    PS.  No way!  The last song from On thru the Night (Overture, I
    believe) is their best!!    IMHO again.   8^)
    
 

    
    I thought Hysteria's production was almost too slick for my taste.
    I still liked it, though.  One song that I've heard around juke boxes
    is "I Wanna Be Your Hero" and does anyone know if this was a previous 
    release?  I really like this song.  IMO it sounds like an inbetween
    of stuff on Hysteria and High and Dry.
    
    RE: Overture.  No way, dude!  This is a good song, but if you read 
    .162 again, I was referencing "Wasted" to their "raw" sound.  Sorry 
    if that wasn't too clear.  When I said "raw", I was referrencing to 
    their level of energy.  Hysteria sounds almost too processed.
    
    J-Dot

    RE -1
    
    I've never heard that song!  Anybody know if it's another B-side
    release?  
    
    You're right about the raw energy of Wasted, that song kicks!! 
    I HAD a version of Rocks Off called 'Get Your Rocks Off' that a
    friend of mine got in Britain, but I can't find it!!  
    
    
    Steve

    
    RE: "Hero"
    
    I don't think it's off of "First Strike" cause it didn't sound 
    anything like stuff off of "On Thru The Night".  Joe's singing was
    a lot like Pyro or Hysteria.  If I'm not mistaken, in the juke box,
    it was the B side to "Animal".
    
    "Hero" starts out slow with just accoutic guitar with a lot of
    breathing room, Joe sings for a while and when the band kicks in, the
    song is rather upbeat.  Pretty good, tho.  I'll go and check the
    bar I heard this in(twist my arm, would ya?  That's far enough! ;^> )
    and let you know.
    
    Yeah, "Rocks Off" is a killer song!  Gawd!  I used to play this album
    to death!  I remember walking to bus stop with my head phone on and 
    listening to "Hello America".
    
    J-Dot

    I remember playing Rock Brigade in my very first band!  8^)
    

    
    I'd like our band to do "Wasted"!  ;^>
    
    J-Dot

    Do you mean 'do' or 'get'?  ;^)
    

    
    RE: "do or get"
    
    
    
    Yes!  ;^>
    
    J-Dot

    
    	"Rock Brigade" is one of my favorite Def Leppard songs.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    Masochist that I am, yet more bad news I shall now deliver:
    Def Leppard's new album is not supposed to be out until
    Christmas, according to Rolling Stone magazine. 
    
    No info on the title yet...I'll update as I get news.
    Spaceknight
    

                A blessing to some...
                
                A NIGHTMARE TO OTHERS!!!
                
                - Merlin -
                
                

    
    Yo Rob, it's "A dream to some...A NIGHTMARE TO OTHERS!"
    
    Methinks...:-)
    Spaceknight
    

    
    Thank god for that - I wasn't ready for another drowning in 
    pseudo-synth-'rock'.

    Same wavelength today Tony (much as I dislike admitting it) ;^)
    
    /Motorbreath...thought Hysteria was thumbs-down

                          
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                Yep, you're  right,  what  I  wrote  didn't sound
                right to me,  but  my friend thought it was, so I
                went with it anyway. 
                
                - Merlin -
                

    
      I was driving up the west side of Vermont last Thursday and WPYX
    played what I thought they billed as "NEW" Def Lep music.I didn't catch
    the title,but it was a good tune.Has anyone else heard something new
    from them?
    
                                  R.B.

    re.182
    	no, but if it's being played on the west side of Vermont,
    we've probably been hearing it for the last 6 months!! 8^)
    
    Just kidding. YEah, I heard a new DL tune..... ehhh.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    There is a song being heavily played on the radio called
    "Tear it Down".  It isn't new so to speak it is from a B side of
    one of their more popular songs.  I can't think of which at the
    momento.
    
    Rae

    
      re:183
    
         Your not kidding..your 99.9% right!It takes 6 months to a year to
      hear some HM tunes up here.All the great stations surround VT.Thank
      the lord of HM that I get out once in a while.
    
                            R.B.

    
    	RE: Rae
    
    	I believe it's the B side to "Women" (?)
    
    	tigga~~~

    
            So.....which album did the song come from?
                        R.B.

    
    
    
    It isn't on a album.  It is just on the B side of a 45 I believe.
    I know a girl who is wicked into Def Leppard.  I will ask her next
    time I see her.
    
    Rae

    Rae is right...it was a leftover from the Hysteria sessions,
    which came out as the B side to the Women single!
    
    And dat is only where you can find it!

    
    Def Leppard are currently in Dublin working on their follow up album to
    Hysteria with producer Mutt Lange.  It should be released early next
    year.
    
    Flip

    
    	Heard on the radio just now (106.3 out of Nashua) that 
    	Def Leppard's guitarist, Steve Clark was found dead in 
    	London.  Didn't hear any other details.
    
    	JJ
    

    -1
    
    I'll take his place!

    Yea I heard the same thing but on 101.
    
    before his drummer got messed up, now this.. 
    I wonder if the band will ever pull back again!
    
    		wendy o'
    

      That's bad news. It's terrible when multiple tragedies occur in
    the same band. Reminds me of the old Allman Brothers deaths. As
    far as the band goes, I'm sure they'll pull through. There are way
    too many talented axemen out there that would love a crack at
    fame and fortune. So Buck - Do you have a contact? That'll give
    you a reason to get that extra cabinet.

    							-B()()M-
    

    Hey major flash dudes... the radio station just announced that Steve
    Clark, the lon blond hair guitarist, for Def Leppard was just found
    either today or yesterday dead in his London apartment. They didn't say
    the cause of death but are suppose to have more details later today...
       I have to tell ya the band just has no luck at all, first the thing
    with the drummer Rick Allen, and now this... I really feel for the rest
    of the dudes. Theyv'e come so far just to be shot down again... 
    
    
    
                          Here's to ya Steve... I heard God rocks too..
    
    
                            The "B."
    

    
    	Luck has nothing to do with flipping over a Corvette ...
    	alcohol does.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    	From the small bits and pieces I've heard thus far, he was
    	found dead in his apartment.  The guy was only 30 years old
    	and it appears he died in his sleep.... from what?  That's
    	what they (ahem) don't know yet...
    		
    	Ironic that this happened around the same time Rick Allen
    	lost his arm (that was on New Year's Eve '84, I believe)
    
    	tigga~~~~

The autopsy report is due tomorrow, but first reports indicate that he died
of a heart attack in his sleep....

8^(

alan

    To die of a heart attack at 30 is really strange!  I'd bet luck had
    nothing to do with this either.
    
    Mike

    Anybody know if it was drug related?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                                  STAYNZ

    He was probably dreaming he was Jimi Hendrix...
    
    gh

      Latest reports have it as alcohol poisoning.  

    On the BBC here in the UK this morning it reported that he was found on
    the floor of his flat in Chelsea(London) by his girlfriend.The police
    commented that there were no suspicious circumstances.
    
    steve
    

       Just heard the news update on Steve.  He died of an alcohol
    overdose.  His manager stated to reporters that Steve had a long
    line of history with alcohol abuse.  I had to call WAAF to tell
    them that Steve founded Def Leppard NOT Led Zepplin.  The had just 
    finished up on their latest album and he was talking a vacation
    with his girlfriend.
    
    BOZ

       He was taking a vacation not TALKING one.......
    
    
    

    I heard that the new album was only about half done..
    
                                  Crazy_Al

    Gone the way of so many....

    
       It's too bad....Last night our local Rock station did a power play
    of Def Lep songs so we could send ole Steve off. As stated in a
    previous reply there are MANY great axemen out there that can step in
    and takeover, but the key thing to remember is that their music as it
    was today had his b,s,t all over the music. The music will change and
    the band will change...for the better? Only time will tell.
    
                         R.B.

    
    
    	I also heard something about his drinking that kept him out of
    	his own bar?
    
    	What ever the cause it is sad.
    
    	It's also surprising the high number of deaths by people in there 
    	early 30's from sudden heart attacks to people considered to be in 
    	"good shape".  I think this is unrelated to him from what I've
    	heard but I always think about this because someone who I grew
    	up with but had lost contact over the years recently passed away
    	and the first thing most people asked me was "gee, was he on
    	drugs?" and I really hate that some people assume that to be
    	the reason.  'nough rambling.
    
    	Funeral preparations are being planned in his (?) howntown of
    	Sheffield.
    
    	- Jim

    Well, if you all remember, Def Lep replaced guitarist Pete Willis for
    his alsohol abuse problems...was he missed?  Not really.  Although
    Clark was a founding member, his contributions to DL became less and
    less over the years.  Why, when I saw them in conert last year, you
    couldn't even hear his guitar playing...it was all Phil Collen!!
    
    JMHO...

    PS -- Did anyone notioce Clark in recent pictures?!?  He was really
    looking like sh*t for a while there!!!

    Despite my previous crass joke, I really think this sucks.  It's
    especially bad that he did this to himself as well.  
    
    While I wasn't that thrilled with Hysteria, I used to love the old Def
    Leppard stuff.  The songbook for High & Dry and Pyromania was about the
    first actual songbook of popular music that I bought.
    
    I woke up this morning with "Mirror, Mirror" running through my head.
    
    gh

    
      The pressures of running in the fast lane ? When you are in the
    public's eye you sometimes can not handle it!
    
                             R.B.

    this is all too common in the music business (including music lovers
    and fans).  Some people just can't learn from the examples of others.
    
    Mike

Article 375 of clari.news.music:
From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.news.music,clari.news.europe
Subject: Def Leppard guitarist dies
Date: 8 Jan 91 21:00:49 GMT
Priority: regular


	LONDON (UPI) -- Steve Clark, guitarist for the heavy metal rock group
Def Leppard, was found dead in his London apartment Tuesday, Scotland
Yard said.
	A spokesman for the British police agency said cause of Clark's death
was being investigated but added there were no suspicious circumstances.
	Clark's body was discovered about 9 a.m. lying on the floor of the
living room of his apartment in the Chelsea district of London, the
Scotland Yard spokesman said. A post mortem was scheduled for Wednesday,
he said.
	In New York City, Cliff Burnstein, one of Clark's managers, said he
had just gotten word of the 30-year-old musician's death.
	``The cause of his death is still unknown,'' Burnstein said.
	He said the group had been recording in Dublin, Ireland, and was
taking a break in London, Burnstein said.
	Clark was one of the founding members of the band which was formed in
1978.

The obituary in the Boston Globe this morning had Joe Elliot commenting
that the band *will* go on.....

alan

    Kinda makes you wonder if "making it big" is for everyone.  It loses a
    lot of the fun and turns more into a business (I guess,  8^), and we
    all know, sometimes work s*cks.    8^)
    
    Scary (tm)

    IMHO that's true with every facet of life !
    
    Scary (who says life is too short to stand in checkout lines with ugly
    cashiers .... 8^)

    
    RIP Steve.  I learned plenty from "Pyromania/High N Dry" song book...
    
    Kinda ironic, tho.  Pete Willis gets fired for his alcohol problems and
    Steve dies from it AFTER making it to the big times...  I wonder who's 
    better off...
    
    J.

    
    RE-1
    
    ...Anybody who lives to tell the tale.
    
    
    
    
                                 DEEBS

	Def Leppard have been firmly denying the strong rumours that 
	Steve Clark's replacement will be John Sykes.

	The inquest into SC's death has been postponed until Feb 27th.

	They *are* definitely looking for a replacement and will be
	resuming their career later in the year.

	Flip

    John Sykes?  That would be AWESOME!

    Why would John Sykes want to sell out and join a wimpy band like that?

    
    Sell out? Heck, he was already in Whitesnake [the band that holds
    the world's record on the number of love songs written].

    What I was saying was he has already made a name for himself and he
    doesn't need to join a band like Whitesnake or Def Leppard now.  I felt
    the same way about Steve Vai joining Whitesnake.  

    
    I see said the blind man!

    	Picture this:
    
    	A commercial van that deals in Venetian Blinds with the words 
    	'blind man driving'.  I cracked up when I saw this but it doesn't
    	take much.
    
    	- Jim

    I really don't think J.Sykes is going to join Def Leppard, I mean heput
    out Blue Murder's album and from what I have heard they are presently
    in the studio doing the follow-up. Nothing against D.L. but I think it
    would be a step down for Sykes...
    
    
                                             The"B."
    

    
    He's not going to join the DL...they've denied the rumours.
    
    Flip

    
    The inquest has confirmed that Steve Clark died of drinking excessive
    amounts of alcohol coupled with drugs.  The death was recorded as
    "respiratory failure due to a compression of the brain stem, resulting
    from excessive quantities of alcohol mixed with anti depressants and
    painkillers".
    
    His blood contained 250mg of alcohol...over three times the legal limit
    for driving....and also traces of morphine, valium and painkillers.
    
    Flip

    
    	I just hope they didn't find a Judas Priest tape in the car,
    	because if they did they'll probably ignore all the medical
    	findings and blame it on the music.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Has anyone heard the remix of "Rock of Ages"?  Yuck.
    
    	They slowed it down, and I'm pretty sure they took out
    	some backing vocals and guitar fills.
    
    	What was wrong with the original that they had to do it
    	over again?  They certainly didn't improve it any.
    
    							GTI
    

    Is that  the one where they slip in a few Lines for"Gene Genie","All
    the young Dudes"and other older rock tunes?
    If so-I think it's so-so.
    
                Crazy_IMHFO_AL

    why the hell did they do that???they have plenty of slow stuff from
    previous albums and off Hysteria.They should have let it lie....!
    
    
    
                                  Staynz

    
    	RE: .237
    
    	I don't think it's live ... as a matter of fact, I'm al-
    	most positive it's a studio cut.  I didn't hear any of
    	the "snipets" you mentioned, but I also didn't listen to
    	the whole song.  I was getting ill, and had to change the
    	station.
    
    							GTI
    

    Remember a song called "Wasted" ?
    
    Love that tune.
    
    jc

    how about the last song from "high and dry"I thinkits called no,no,no
    it rips somethin' fierce
    
    
    
                            Staynz

    
    Rock Brigade was cool.
    
    
    
    
                                 DEEBS

    
     I'm not a real big fan so fill me in. I was watching a Video of the
    last DL tour on TV last night. There are 2 guitarists, one with long
    blonde hair and the other with shorter blonde hair. Which was the one
    that recently died? Just curious.
                                         mike
    

    
    Theone with the long blonde hair is the guy tht died recently.
    
    Flip

    
    	"Rock Brigade" is one of my favorites, as is "Let It Go".
    
    							GTI
    

    
     Thanks Flip, thats what I thought but wasn't sure.
                                                        mike
    

    re. To the song No No No off High and Dry. The first time I heard that
    song it tripped me out. Like you said it is at the end of the album and
    I had an auto. table. So when it got to the end of the song and kept
    saying No No No I thought the needle got stuck until the friend who
    brought it over told what was going on.
    						The KER
    

    
    re: .248
    
    I covered that song in a couple bands. 
    
    High and Dry is my favorite.

    
    Despite the denial from Def Leppard's management, rumours persist that
    John Sykes has joined the band.
    
    Flip

    Great for Def Leppard....
    
    Real dumb for John Sykes (do you know what that means Tankeneese)
    
    Bonzo

      congrats to the boys on having the 5 videos in the top 300
    all-time greatest videos and having their hit "Pour Some Sugar
    On Me" at
    
                   >>>>>>     #1     <<<<<<<<
    
    they beat the favored 15 minute long video Thriller by Michael
    Jackson which was #2.
    
    #3 was Paridise City by G 'n R
    #4 was Sledgehammer by Peter Gabrial
    
    Boz

    The new album is 3/4's done and is slated for a March/April release. 
    Phil Collen has handled all the guitar work on it, but the band says
    they will hire another guitarist for the tour.
    
    Mike

    It's confirmed that John Sykes *IS* playing with them.  NOt only
    doing the recording (yes, it's on-going and a prven fact), but will
    be doing the tour also.      

    No mention of that in the radio report that I got my info from.

        latest issue has an interview with Joe and the boys.   They talked
    about the tought time they had with recovering from the loss of Clark
    but they thing the album should be done by Christmas.  Joe pointed
    out that a new guitarist will be sought for the tour but he doesn't
    want to be interviewing and all that crap.  He wants to grab some
    with a good reputation and doesn't need audition...  Sykes?????
    
    Boz

    John Sykes and Def Lepard! You must be joking.
    
    I read an interview with the Leps's in Kerrang the other week 
    and they laughed at the idea.
    
    Minf You I've lost count at the number of times Kerrang have reported
    that Guns & Roses are going to split.
    
    	Chris
    

The latest eedition of Metal Hammer (nov 1991) includes an official denial
from the band that John Sykes has been working with the band. The statement 
goes on to say that Phil Collen has taken responsibility for both guitar
parts in completing the new album.

Apparently a decision on the replacement guitartist has yet to be made.
MH reckon that the decision is not necessary until they enter rehearsals
prior to any tour.

Keef.

The latest USENET gossip has former Iron Miaden guitarist Adrian Smith
joining Def Leppard.

alan

    
    Figures... Guy can't cut it on his own and Maiden sure as hell don't
    need him.... He's a pretty good guitarist though.

    He'll make more money.....good career move.
    
             Frizkid
    

    
    
    Yeah when Def Lepard sells close to 50 million albums then talk about
    money....
    
    ..actually I don't know how many DefLep have sold....that's probably
    why I didn't win most informative...
    
    ;')

>    Guy can't cut it on his own and Maiden sure as hell don't need him...
    
    Nope they don't need him, all they need are retirement at this point! 
    
    gh

    Oh Chris......Def Leppard has sold WAY more albums than Maiden.
    
      I just can't picture Adrian in this band....I don't know why but I
    thoughtit was REAL weird.  Does anyone else think this is weird?
    
                 Frizkid
    

	I can't picture what the 'new' Def Leppard will sound like.

	Pyromania was great, I hope they will come out with something
	good, but I know they won't..


	I *HATE* that quote... It is so annoying!!!


							-Seth

    
    If anyone should retire, it's Def Leppard.

    JMO
    I like the older stuff, High -n- Dry etc...Pyromania wasn't bad. but
    after that, that's when I stopped buying their stuff.
    
    
    Jeff

    
    I really like High 'n Dry. The rest I hate!

    
    
    I liked High n Dry. Pyromania was pretty good. Hysteria was the model
    for the word commercial. I hated it to the max.
    
    
    

    
    
    I think Maiden should have retired YEARS ago... at least when D.L.
    comes around again, they'll be selling out at every place they play
    at.
    
    

    
    
    	It sounds to me as though Pete's retaliating with a "Def
    	Leppard should retire" merely because he's the ultimate
    	Iron Maiden fan...
    	
    	Personally?? I think they should both retire. (; (: (:
    
    	tigg~~~

    Def Leppard retire?  Naw, they still have a few more band members to
    kill or maim yet!
    
    gh

    
    Bwahahahaha!

    
    I'm rollin'....
    
    
    hahahaha
    
    

I liked Hysteria.

    
    	RE: .284
    
    	Yuck!!  Stuff like "Pour Some Sugar on Me" makes me sick.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    It makes me want to do violent things to my dog with a fork.

    
    
    ACK!   PETE I AM ROOOOLIN!

    
    it makes me think that Pete isn't very good with animals... ;')

    The only time I like that song is when I'm eatin shreaded Wheat.
    
                                   Crazy_bland_Al

    
    
    Is it true that Vivian Campbell joined  Wet Leotards?
    
    It would be a most excellent improvement.
    
    Gerry

    Thought I heard sumthin about Campell joinin Dread Zepplin.
    
               Crazy_maybe_Al

    
    
      I heard today the the album is etitled "Adrenalized" (?). The guys on
    KILO morning show were saying they would have it before the end of the
    month.
     I'm not sure who in this conference stated that if you thought that
    the new Metallica release was hyped. Ya ain't seen nothin yet. I'll
    bet I will be sick of it before it even gets in the CD bins! (Even tho
    I liked some of the tunes on Hysteria, I have a feelin that this will
    be really overplayed)
    
                           mike (who says we won't have to worry about
                                being sick of Metallica anymore on MTV
                                once this gets out)
    

    the new single has been getting some air play here in the UK.Its title
    is something very cliched(Rock me?)and wasn't all that good.
    
    
                                                             Staynz

    RE: -1
    
    Staynz wins the understatement of the week award!
    
    I heard the tune the other day and it inhaled in a very major fashion!
    
    Bonzo (Staynz look out for mail in a couple of hours)

    I heard Viv Campbell has the gig as new guitarist!

    
    i heard viv before i heard sykes.  i think sykes is the dude now...
    

    ..well if it's Viv, then that's the end of Shadow King after just
    releasing their first album.
    
    Shadow King were being hyped as the band featuring Vivian Campbell
    and Lou Gramm. FWIW, I thought their release showed a lot of promise..
    
    Tom
    
    oh and by the way, I now hear the Lepps are also on the bill at the
    Freddie M. gig. It's beginning to look like your PR guy isn't worth
    his salt, if he doesn't get you this gig!

    rumour has it,they`re going to release only 300 copies of the new
    album.
    
    Er,not really.
    

    >>300 copies 
    
    At a about 4000 pounds each then they may just recoup some of the
    recording costs. Then again, to offset such costs we'll probabaly 
    get a full page of band sponsorship deals on the sleeve i.e. Joe 
    uses Dunlop golf balls bought from Shell garages, Rick wears Armani 
    slippers backstage, Steve used Brand X pharmecuticals etc etc etc.
    
    barry. 

    I saw a programme on this lot on TV some time ago,around the time
    Ricky Astley the drummer lost his arm.
    
    It wuz quite funny,cuz they were sat in a local Sheffield boozer
    looking really fat saying stuff like "eeey,up,lad - aye,they do
    a reet tasty drop of bitter in `ere like,yer knaw".
    
    Not the megalomaniac posuers i thought they were,i must admit.
    

    Rick ASTLEY drumming for Def "Haley's Comet releases" Leppard?
    Surely one of the best kept secrets in Rock n Roll? I bet there's
    a few over on this fair isle who'd quite like to chop one of his
    arms off along with Stock Aitken & Waterman. What next? Jason Donovan
    joins Slayer? 
    
    barry.  
    

That was funny!!!

What is the drummer's last name anyway??

    Allen

     RIGHTIOUS NAME!
    
            Frizkid
    

    
    Was quite funny too, Pete.
    
    8-)

    Rick Astley is that scrawny red head with the deep voice that
    had that "Never Gonna Give You Up."  Rick Allen is and has always
    been the drummer.
    
    
    BJ

    
     Well, after hearing the new one that is already starting to be played
    to death, I have to say I don't like it at all. The song I've been
    hearin sounds like bad second takes of the last one. I didn't mind alot
    of Hysteria, but from what I've heard so far, I'll just have to say no
    to it.
                mike
    

    
    
      Didn't you hear, they used all the same tracks off the last album.
    
      The only tracks they had to do was vocal, and the sampled guitar
    fills......
    
     
                                                               ;^)
                      
                                                                    MC
    

    
    
    Acck! this tune rots! Don't like it at all.. 'Lets get the rock outta
    here!' PLEEAAASEEE!! give me a break.. Why don't they just say, 
    "Lets get the Funk outta here!"
    
     

    I second that!!!!
    
     4 out of 5 poseurs agree that the new Def Leppaerd blows!!!
    
              Frizkid
    

    I doubt if I'll go and see them in concert this time.Hey Friz,we agree
    on something.  .....shock!
    
    
                                               Staynz

    
    	I must have been in a closet or something.....I don't think
    	I've heard the new DL!
    
    	

    Way shock!!!    Pyromania was my first album ever...It was great!
    
           Hysteria was listenable but this new song is kind of like an
    insult to rock fans mentality.
    
     Let's get, let's get let's get rocked.....What I'm I suppose to
    buy that?  Gimme a break!!!!!!!  It sounds just like the last album as
    far drums go...I know the dude has no arm but c'mon...I know he
    programs it anyway!
    
                    Frizkid
    

    re.316
    JJ
      count your blessings you haven't heard it as it's a pile o' shite.
    
    
    
                                                      Staynz

    
    	RE: JJ
    
    	Whaddaya say we both lock ourselves in a closet ... at least I
    	won't be thinking about Def Leppard for awhile!!
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI

    I musta been in the closet with JJ, 'cause I haven't heard the new
    stuff yet.  From what you all are saying, doesn't sound like I'm
    missing much...  Too bad, another good band mushes out and goes down
    the tubes.
    
    gh

    Is this the song that says = Lets Get The Rock Out of Here?

    BTW, I just gotta say it...
    
    What a stupid cliche!!!!  Don't these guys have a brain anymore???
    
    gh

    
    
    Yup, it is "get the rock out of here" and it totally bites! 
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    
      To the people that haven't heard it, you problibly have but thought
      it was off their last album..............
    
    
                                                    
                       I just can't wait to hear the rest of it,    NOT!
    
    
                                                                               
    MC

    I have heard the album (aren't promos wonderful?!).  It's the same as
    the single...same sound...same formula, etc.

    
    	re: Shawn
    
    	I shoulda known you'd come back with somekinda comment for
    	that one.  =)
    
    	re: Greg
    
    	Oooh baby!  =)  Why didn't ya let me know you were there? ;)
    
    	JJ
    
    
    

>    	Oooh baby!  =)  Why didn't ya let me know you were there? ;)
    
    I was that skeleton there...
    
    gh

    
    I heard it a few times... It's gotta be leftover material from
    Hysteria, which in my opinion was one of the worst albums god ever let
    someone unleash upon an unsuspecting world.
    
    
    The new song is crap along with Def Leppard. I always hated that name
    too.
    
    
    

    Well, as fate would have it, after crabbing about not having heard it
    this morning, I was "treated" to it not once, but twice during the 15
    minutes I listened to the radio on the way home tonight.
    
    I flipped on the radio and that song was already playing, a song or two
    later and I changed stations and there it was again.  I sure hope this
    isn't indicative of how much airplay this piece of crap is getting,
    because if it is, then it proves that radio playlists are affected by
    nothing more the record company dollars, because there's no way any
    self respecting program director would conceivably schedule this stupid
    song.  Ever.
    
    It's terrible!  Completely cliche, rehash material.  I expected more,
    guess I shouldn't have.
    
    gh (who hopes he never hears it again)
                           

    I think it`s really good,actually. Intelligent thought provoking
    lyrics,and very original style of playing.
    
    Not really. I just thought it`d be boring if i put "it`s crap" like
    everyone else.
    

And don't forget the video premieres soon on MTV!

Tim

    
     I told you guys, you won't have Metallica to kick around anymore once
    this comes out. Everytime I got in my truck yesterday it was on the
    radio. I think they should send it to AM radio where it belongs! 8^).
    
                                                                 mike
    

    
    
      I'm sure MTV will *commit* to playing it at least once an hour
    on ultra-mega-heavy- rotation.  Time to give the remote control
    a workout!!!!!
    
    							-B()()M-

    time to turn the T.V. off!!! ACK!!
    
           Frizkid
    

    
    
    That song made me do my andrew dice clay imitation...
                                               
    
    
    ACK!
    
    
    GNGK
    
    PTFT

    This song is *truly* wretched!  Total bubble gum!!!
    
    BTW, yer bustin me up, Stu!  HAHA!
    
    gh

    
    
      They'll problibly use clips from thier other videos.....   ;^)
    
    
                                                                 MC

    Aww c'mon.  It's not *that* bad y'all.  You people are brutal!

    
    	I just heard it about 15 minutes ago, and it IS horrible.
    
    	RE: April
    
    	And calling it "horrible" IS giving them a break.  8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    
    YEah April they've had problems but that's how it crumbles, cookie
    wise. Doesn't mean they can't write different songs.
    
    
    
    Chris

    
    	RE: Pete
    
    >That settles it. If Shawn hates it, it inhales! 8-)
    
    
    	I feel so ... ummm, so "definitive".  8^)
    
    							GTI

Rolling Stone gave it **** out of *****.  That translates to excellent.  ***** is
classic.  I had to read the review to see if they mentioned Let's get Rocked.
They said was it was derivative of Pour Some Sugar on Me.  They liked the
lyrics and stated they were thought provoking???  I almost fell off my chair!!!

Maybe Let's Get Rocked isn't typical of the rest.  It definitely sounds like a 
holdout from Hysteria.  I happen to like Hysteria (most of it anyway), so I will
have to see if maybe I was too quick to pass judgement.  I don't think I will
be able to like Let's Get Rocked though...

Tim

Why thank you!

    
    	RE: Pete
    
    	But Rolling Stone gave the Mystic Powers demo a good review too.
    
    
    	Just kidding.  8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
      I haven't read a Rolling Stone Mag. since the 70's. Last time I
    flipped through one a year or two ago I had to actually search for
    anything music related, there were so many ads that it was pathetic.
    Must be owned and operated by MTV.
                                          mike
    

    Well, I *finally* heard this song!!
    
    Impressions?  Well, I think the lyrics are lame, understandably,
    but I think that once again, Mutt Lange has done an OUTSTANDING 
    job of producing this band!!!  Mutt got GREAT soungs to tape,
    good performances from the band, and the mix is outstanding.
    The band may suck, but they have one top notch producer working
    with them!!
    
    This song reminded me a lot of the direction the cars last album
    was headed in...

    What crap? 
    
       I think the production is wonderful but for a rock and roll band it
    just doesn't fit.  He has taken all of their edge that was present
    in the old days.  To much production makes for another sterile
    Def Leppard release.
    FWIW-The video is killer as long as you've got the t.v. on mute. 8)
    
                       Frizkid
     

    >   I think the production is wonderful but for a rock and roll band it
    >just doesn't fit.  He has taken all of their edge that was present
    >in the old days.  To much production makes for another sterile
    >Def Leppard release.
    
    What I think you're failing to see, Friz, is that Def Leppard have
    crossed-over as a band!  They are not pretending to be the AC/DCish
    band they once were on their On Thru The Night/High & Dry releases.
    Matt Lange has slowly been modifying this groups sound for a wider
    audience appeal.  The release of Pyromania in 1983 marked their
    cross-over to from the hard-rock genre to mainstream power pop.  Today
    (9 years after the release of Pyro), I wouldn't not call them HM or
    even hard rock.  They are polished power pop at best.  Sort of like
    Hall and Oates with a heavier guitar sound.  This super-polished
    high-tech sound is geared towards a mass audience appeal, and it works. 
    Def Lep's audience grew tremendously with the release of Hysteria (on
    the basis of sappy pop songs like Pour Some Sugar.. and Love Bites). 
    This new release is designed to pull in even more fans from across the 
    listening spectrum (my guess is a somewhat older crowd...like those
    that listen to Mariah Carey or Garth Brooks).
    
    So, look at it from that standpoint...the sound is naturally evolving
    with their marketing strategy.  Had they not given a crap about
    marketing, or gaining a wider audience, they'd probably still sound
    like the High and Dry lp (but would also probably still be playing
    opening slots on someone else's major tour!!).  This is nothing
    new...other "former" hard-rock/HM bands are following suit in this
    trend, like Van Halen, Aerosmith, Motley Crue, and even Metallica. 
    Sure, Motley and Metallica have a long way to go before their albums
    sound like Hysteria, but they are on their way...it obvious...
                    

I agree with past remarks - the music is decent (although pretty reminicient
of earlier hits), the lyrics totally lame, the production very cool, and
th video is way cool also.

BTW, I believe the band co-produced the album this time around, which they
said was a very big step for them (sounds like they actually did help produce
it, rather than just saying that).

alan

	Yea, I liked the video but didn't care for the song.

    I'm with Jim, I like the video, but hate the song.
    
    I have to disagree with you on this one, Buck.  I understand your
    explanation about the slick production, but I think this one is just
    too slick.  They don't sound like a rock & roll band anymore.  This is
    the kind of production I'd expect from someone like Dave Stewart, not
    Mutt Lange!  I mean, come on, Richard Marx has a rougher sound then Def
    Leppard do on this song.  I think it's way too slick and polished,
    regardless of their target market.  I think it loses it's intensity and
    just sounds boring because of it.
    
    Plus, even though the mix is good, I think it's too busy.  There are
    too many little sound effects whacked in there here and there and a lot
    more layers then I like to hear.  I'd rather hear a band then a
    production and it sounds to me like the band is pushed into the
    background by all the production on this one.
    
    I guess if my songs were that lame, I'd try and find SOMETHING to
    compensate for it.  Production compensates for poor songwriting, right?
    ;-(
    
    Greg

    Speaking of Richard Marx.....I kinda like his new song!
      It kinda weird murder stuff for him to be doing.
    
                    Frizkid
    

    Yea...but at the end doesn't he cut it off?
    
                   Frizkid
    

    Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Richard Marx (in fact, I kinda like
    a lot of his stuff), I just used that as a comparison of someone who
    plays pure pop music.
    
    FWIW, his hair is better now, doesn't make him look like his head is
    all huge and distended...
    
    gh

    - taken without permission from Rolling Stone Magazine, Issue 628,
    April 16, 1992.
    
    
    Record Review
    
    
    ADRENALIZE - Def Leppard          * * * *
    
    
    
    Generally speaking, it's time to worry when the term *long-awaited*
    gets appended to an album.  *Long-awaited* doesn't just mean that he
    band in question took its sweet time delivering the disc; usually, it's
    industry code for "bloated and overblown."
    
    Except, that is, when the long-awaited release in question is the work
    of Def Leppard.  This, remember, is the only major rock act that works
    more slowly than Bruce Springsteen.  In fairness, the band's tardiness
    isn't entirely the product of foot dragging, as the death of guitarist
    Steve Clark undoubtedly slowed this album (and doubled fellow guitarist
    Phil Collen's workload) even more than the loss of drummer Rick Allen's
    arm complicated the completion of *Hysteria*.
    
    Yet regardless of the time spent in the studio, Def Leppard's albums
    never seem especially labored or overwrought.  If anything, the
    opposite is true - the band's music seems so effortlessly accessible
    that most listeners probably don't even notice the incredible amount of
    craft that goes into each release.
    
    Nor is *Adrenalize*, with its insistence on intensely tuneful,
    unrepentantly frivolous material, likely to change that.  There's no
    overriding concept to the album, no sense of the group's confronting
    its demons or wrestling with the problems of the world; instead, what
    we get is a seemingly unending string of energetic, hook-heavy,
    gosh-we-luv-'em songs about girls.  A perfect Def Leppard album, in
    other worlds.
    
    That's not meant sarcastically, either.  Because truth be told, it's
    far easier to prop up several couplets of self-revelation with a few
    heavy-metal riffs that it is to turn an idea as commonplace as romantic
    desire into asong as memorable as "Have You Ever Needed Someone So
    Bad".  But that's what Def Leppard does best, and *Adrenalize* is the
    band's most consistent effort to date.  Take "Have You Ever Needed
    Someone So Bad" as an example.  Although the title p/retty much sums up
    the idea behind the tune, the band is wise enough to recognize that
    when it comes to love songs, *what* gets said matters for less than
    *hwo* it gets said.  Thus, the heart of the song is its melodic
    development, the way Joe Elliott's vocal builds from the breathy,
    low-key opening verse to the soaring, full-throated harmonies of the
    chorus.  It's so perfectly paced that you hardly need to hear the
    lyrics to understand what the song is saying; the sound says it all.
    
    That's typical of Def Leppard, though.  From the first, this was a band
    that gloried in the power of heavy metal's musical gestures - the
    towering majesty of power riff, the momentary freedom of guitar break,
    the exhilaration of a singer's scream - and as the group has grown, its
    ability to manipulate that vocabulary has expanded to the point that
    its songs have become mini-masterpieces of aural impact.
    
    Just listen to all the sonic detail crammed into the album-opening
    "Let's Get Rocked."  Although rhythmically the song is an obvious
    descendant of "Pour Some Sugar on Me", playing off a throbbing Rick
    Savage bass line, stylistically it's miles beyond the last album, full
    of puns ("Let's get the rock out of here"), special effects (when
    Elliott complains about his girlfriend's fondness for classical music,
    the band mockingly answers with a snippet of Beethoven's Fifth) and all
    sorts of stagy good humor.  Yet the Leps work these gimmicks in so
    gracefully that they never interrupt the music's flow, acting not as
    unnecessary contrivances but simply as another level of hook.
    
    And there are hooks of every sort on *Adrenalize*, from broad strokes
    like the gloriously harmonized chorus of "Heaven Is" to ear-catching
    details like the little yodel Elliott slips into "Personal Property". 
    (Adrenalize* is so relentlessly catchy that it almost seems as if the
    band is about to abondon its heavy-metal roots for the greaner fields
    of hard pop.  That's not to say the album is any softer than its
    predecessors - certainly the crunchy guitars of "Tear it Down" or "Make
    Love Like a Man" are proof to the contrary - just that it's not as
    noisily aggressive.
    
    Consider that a sign of maturity.  After all, what made *Hysteria* and
    *Pyromania* worth returning to wasn't their fist-pumping energy but the
    unabashed tunefulness the band tied to that sheer force.  *Adrenalize*
    simply makes that connection more explicit, proving in the process that
    Def Leppard is one of the catchiest bands in rock.  And if that doesn't
    make *Adrenalize* worth waiting for, I don't know what would.

re: Buck

> but I think that once again, Mutt Lange has done an OUTSTANDING job of 
> producing this band!!!  Mutt got GREAT soungs to tape, good performances 
> from the band, and the mix is outstanding.

Turns out that Mutt Lange didn't produce the album!!! I forget who actually
did it, it was a name I wasn't familiar with......

alan

    Huh?!
    
    Well, I'll be.  Don't know what to say, but the production has MUTT
    written all over it (same CMI samples, same type of busy arrangement,
    etc.)
    
    Well, wherever did produce it did a great job!

	
	In an interview on Raw Power, Joe said that both the band and the
	engineer they'd worked with before (can't remember his name) produced 
	the album, with Mutt being 'executive producer' as he was busy
	doing the Bryan Adams album at the time. 

	They couldn't wait for Mutt to finish Bryan's album so they decided 
	to go ahead without him, but turn to him for guidance and help if and 
	when they needed it.  

	Emma

    I finally heard another song (other then that pinnacle of lameness
    "Let's get Rocked") and it was a bit better.  I'd never consider buying
    the album though...
    
    Glh

    ho!ho! I just read in the Daily Mirror newspaper than "an unkown 
    guitarist called Vivian Campbell has joined Def Leppard. Campbell,
    a former member of little known Los Angeles band River Dogs,is poised
    to become a millionaire overnight".
    
    They have a photo of him,so it`s definitely the same Vivian Campbell
    who wuz also in "little known" groups Whitesnake,Dio et al.
    
    

    Vivian,thats a girlies name!!
    
    
    
                                                Staynz

    I heard on the radio Def Leppard will take over the #1 spot 
    on Billboard next week.  Shows what we know....
    
                   Frizkid
    

    
    
      There's *nothing* like a big bucks offer from an established
    money-making band to turn a hungry musicians ear. So, I'm real 
    surprised that Vivian Campbell took the offer. For that matter 
    I'm surprised that Adrian Vandenberg joined Whitsnake and Vai
    joined DLR and Whitesnake. Yeah - right!
    
      There's nothing like taking the Ferrari out for a spin when you're
    bored ------------------ 
    
      ...FWIW - I'd be interested in seeing what Vivian Cambell does
    in this context!
    				
    							-B()()M-
    
    							

    Viv is a great player...I really liked what he did with Dio and Rain
    Dogs.  Didn't hear Shadow Kings.  If he is replacing Steamin Steve
    Clark, looks like Viv may have to break out his Les Paul and Marshall
    rig again!  8^)

    Viv is a tremendous player.Dio went down the toilet when he left.I bet
    he shows up whatshisface who plays guitar in DL too!
    
                                                        Staynz

Interesting article in Rolling Stone this week on Def Leppard.  Talked about
Steve's 2 "deaths"  The first being when they found him in the gutter with a
BAC (Blood Alcohol Count) of 0.59 in Minneapolis.  (John Bonham died with a 0.41
 - but he puked).

Anyway, they admit they are a studio band.  They have trouble playing anything
but their own stuff.

Tim

    Should be interesting how Viv and Phil Collen interact in DL.  I always
    thought of both of them as "lead" guitarists.  Steve Clark, on the
    other hand, I thought of cool rhythms.
    
    gh

    
      I'll be one of the first to admit it:
    
    
      I bought ADRENALIZE! I saw it on sale and said WTF. After checking it 
    out I think Collen's guitar playing has matured quite a bit since
    joining DL. It IS just about all his guitar playing. I wish I could
    hear what Vivian Campbell gets to add to the band. It'll be some time 
    before we see him as a contributor and not just playing somebody elses
    part. As for the CD? Very much what I expected. Formulated heavy pop.
    Not to say that's bad. They seem to be able to pull this off in a way
    that doesn't alienate a lot of listeners with other tastes. My $.02.
    
    							-B()()M-

    I guess our opinions don't count for everybody.
       Adrenalize sold 380,000 in the first week.....
    
           Frizkid
    

    The band had a Rockumentery(sp) done on Mtv last night.
        It was interesting and a little sad...
    
        Friz
    

    DL is another band that I think should lay off the over-production
    garb. Why won't they go back to the sound of "Pyromania". It's what got
    them to where they are today. It was a great raw sound and produced to
    perfection. And...it wasn't like bubble gum stuff. I wished they never
    changed there sound and style. This new stuff gets to me...

    One answer.....Mutt Lange and FWIW--He is the reason they're so huge.
    
        Friz
    

    I wish they would go back to their ON THRU THE NIGHT sound, but
    then they wouldn't be mega-huge either, so...

    OTTN and High & Dry had a rippin raw sound!  They were an amazing band
    back then.  With Pyromania came the first hints of the ever increasing
    production polishing which has persisted ever since.
    
    gh

    re: -1, -2
    
    Exactly!!!!!

    Agreed on the high and dry,on through the night was good 'n' raw too!
    
                                                              Staynz

    I liked the old stuff (Espec. OTTN, H&D etc..), but in case ya'll 
    didn't notice, the drummer only has one arm, and can onlu play
    electronic drums.  They HAD to change (IMHO) so that they could keep 
    their drummer.  And I've said before - I gotta lot of respect for them,
    that they kept together while they waited for Rick to re-learn...
    
    jc 

    I agree on the respect part,it would have been easy for them to get a
    new drummer but they stuck with it but the more albums they make,the
    more studio orientated they become.
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    Agreed - SUPER processed !!  I like it from an engineering standpoint,
    but I like the "grungie old stuff"...
    jc

    I respect the band a lot but that doesn't mean they can't be more
    creative in there music. I don't think the ability of the drummer has
    anything to do with it. He is a great drummer (with one arm). As far as
    electronic drums. They have drum machine sounds that sound like the
    real thing. Also, the drummer has never been a flashy type drummer. He
    has always been a groove drummer. They could still get away from the
    bubble gum music if they wanted to. Mutt Lange is leading them to
    bubble gum stardom just like he is with Bryan Adams. Who knows what
    might happen in the near future though. There new guitarist has a
    mighty reputation as far as that old raw sound...YEAH!!

    As much as some people want it to happen....It won't.
     Viv C. isn't going to change the band what so ever. I have a feeling
    that if he does he'll get the big axe.
     Mutt lange is a VERY big part of this band and from what I've seen he
    calls the shots. 
    I also saw an interview with Joe E. and Viv C. on Mtv and Viv said it
    was a 'natural' progression to be playing this kind of music and he
    didn't want to play anymore (Placing the thumb to the two bent middle
    fingers and acting like Ronnie James Dio) "Heavy Metal".
    
         I like the album except for "Let's get Rocked" and the album is
    doing good in Billboard too. 8)
    
          Friz
    

I don't want this to be taken the wrong way.  I have Hysteria and like it a
lot.

I think that DL is kind of low on the talent side.  The segments I've heard
them do live are usually kind of, hmmm, lacking.  I read in Rolling Stone
where they've admitted the same sort of thing.

They were auditioning Viv Campbell and had trouble finding a song they all
knew because they don't improvise too well (if at all!).

I think they've found their niche.  A studio band that manages somehow to
get a take right and a producer who knows how to package them.

I agree Friz, other than LGR, the rest of the album is good enough to do well
and they'll sell zillions of em.

Tim

    Yeah..All bubble gum sellzzz. I'm just sick of hearing the same old
    stuff I guess. Melody and creativity is my niche'. I think they still
    can be creative but Mutt is cutting them off. All $$$$.

    If you're looking for melody then you should like Def Leppard. they
    have melody UP THE WAZOO! 
    FWIW-While "big hooks" sell alot of records I think that Mutt
    didn't/doesn't do it fore the money. I truely think that that's the
    kinda of music he likes and the kind of sound he enjoys.  
    
         Friz
    

    Yeah..Mutt is in for the$$$$..Sell, sell sell. That doesn't assure good
    music though. You can't compare the new from the old.Pyromania does it
    all in...and it goes to show that you can sell the older music just the
    same.

    What did you ask Mutt? Is he your uncle? Does your brother's girlfriend
    have a friend that knows his father? 
     And if not then HOW do YOU know he's in it for the bucks?
    
     Friz
    

    
    He knowz everything ... so THAIR!

    Yeah...so thair. There all in it for the$$$. I shouldn't just say it
    for Mutt. 

    Can't blame a group for wanting to be rich can ya?
    
         Friz
    

    No...but if its gonna change the way i would like things they can have
    the money. I think i'd rather do what i wanted first before the money.
    But money talks for some people...

    Yeah right...You're fooling yourself.
    
     Friz
    

    depends on how much money we're talking about

    Just because you're born again doesn't have a thing to do with the
    human feelings of greed.  If it did ...Why are you going to school?
     TO GET MORE MONEY. 
    
     Greg: Think how many DL albums have been sold?  I think the figure
    would even bring out the greed in a "granola" child such as yourself.
    8)
      Friz
    

    "granola"????  XCUSME???

    Granola child....Yes!
    
     Friz
    

    I've got my flower...I've got my power...I've got a woman who knows.
    
     Friz
    

    "You walk across the floor 
     with a flower in your hand
     try to tell me no one understands
     Trade in your hours for a handful of dimes
     gonna make it baby if we try"
    
    gh

    Which doesn't mean you're greedy...

Anybody catch last nights concert in their hometown of Sheffield.

It was awesome as usual for them.

Didn't think much of the support though.

The concert was filmed for TV and recorded for Radio 1 (to be aired soon).
Also they have a new album out in October (surprised most people there) which
will contain some new stuff and some old stuff from the past albums.

Anyone else there?

    
    
    	Heard a blurb on the radio yesterday with Vivian Campbell.
    	Said that most of the stuff on "Adrenalize" is music that's
    	been written over the past 8-10 years.  Some B side music
    	from European releases and such....
    

    Da lepps have a new album released this week called RETRO-ACTIVE.
    It contains material either released as B-sides to Hysteria singles,
    unreleased material and a couple of cover songs. The material is IMO
    excellent, I can't stop playing it. 
    
    The track listing is as follows :-
    
    		Desert Song
    		Fractured Love
    		Action
    		Two Steps Behind (Acoustic version)
    		She's Too Tough
    		Miss You In A Heartbeat (Acoustic version)
    		Only After Dark
    		Ride Into The Sun
    		From The Inside
    		Ring Of Fire
    		I Wanna Be Your Hero
    		Two Steps Behind (Electric version)
    		Miss You In A Heartbeat (Electric version)
    
    	My favs are "Desert Song", "She's Too Tough" and "I Wanna Be Your Hero"
	although they are all well produced. Pity the original version of
    	"Tear It Down" wasn't included as I much preferred it to the
    	Adrenalise version.
    
    	Prince Of The Dawn.

    
    oh great.  bombarded with DL for another 18 months...
    
    

    the last album these guys did that was any good was Pyromania!
    
    
    
    					ian

    Not another Def Lepcrap album.......  When are these guys going to stop
    torturing us with their utter shite?
    
    
    

    
    	When all the teenagers [and Esco] stop buying it.
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI

    
    
    Did anyone buy the last release?! 
    
    Ack...
    
    Whit-

>    Did anyone buy the last release?! 
    
    Not me, I hate things that suck!

    
    
    	Well said Beavis.  =)
    

    Burn it, Burn it!  Heh heh...
    
    

    
      ya,
            fire!
                  firE!!
                         fiRE!!!
                                 fIRE!!!
                                         FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    

    there's an interview with Viv(girls blouse of a name)Campbell in this
    months issue of guitarist magazine.From what he says and how he puts
    himself across,he seems like an arrogant git!Its a pity as I always
    thought he was quite good!
    
    						ian

    He was quite good ...
    
    
    Until he sold out to chase the money with Def (inately bif girls blouse
    band) Lep.....
    
    
    Bonzo (Gimme Viv and Dio and you have an excellent combo!)

    re-1
    
    agreed!But in the interview he slags of Dio too!He's quite a self
    opionated git! 8)
    
    
    					ian

    A bit like myself really!
    
    
    ;^)
    
    Bonzo

    I'm Very Disappointed in Vin..The guy can Wail!Yet he's turned into
    a Shame_Less Pouser... 
    I refuse to go see this Band live so I can't tell if they let him 
    Rip_Abit in Concert..
    
    
       Crazy_Can_You_Say_Sell_Out_Al?

    Viv (big nancy blouse!) has lost it.  A decade ago, he was top_notch in
    my book, now he a slack tart!

    Def Leppard have released a cover version of the old Sweet song
    "action".Its not as good as Steve Steven's version.Joe Elliots voice
    sux a tad!
    
    
    
    
    						ian

    hey Its Christmas........
    
    
    
    
    I was being *nice*  8)
    
    
    					ian

    Bah Humbug ya swine.....
    
    
    8*)
    
    This time of year ranks way up there with going to the dentist!
    
    Bonzo ;^)

    
    I was at the dentist last week........I wish my dentist would shave...
    
    
    
    
    
    she's really hairy! 8)
    

    
    These guys suck...huh huh....yeah...I hate things that suck!
    

    
    
    
    Def Leppard did a cover version of "Action"?! 
    
    ACK!!! 
    
    "Hey Beavis.. He's looking at you.."
    
    Whit- 

    
    >Def Leppard did a cover version of "Action"?! 
    
    
    Yeah...kind of an oxymoron, izn't it!

    
    	I think Black 'n' Blue's version is my favorite ... Steve Stevens
    	comes a close second.
    
    	[That is, my favorite besides the original.]
    
    							GTI

    
    	Def Leppard has a "new" one out called "Vault - Greatest Hits".
    

    
    (set mode sarcastic)Oh joy!
    
    
    Def Lappard are utter shite now!I remember when they were really good
    in the HIgh and Dry era!
    
    					ian

    -1
    
    Yeah -- The Leps back in 1979/80 with On Through the Night/High n Dry
    were excellent!  They started to get shitty when they let their
    guitarist go in favour of that poof Phil Collins.  They haven't
    released a decent album since Pyromania.

    
    Pyromania is one of the best,all time HM albums of all time.The follow
    up was a bag of shite and they've gone downhill ever since!
    
    
    						ian

    
     Pyromania is one of the best,all time HM albums of all time.The
     follow up was a bag of shite and they've gone downhill ever since!
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Come on Ian! NO WAY! I agree with the bottom half, but definitely NOT
    the upper half! High and Dry would best fit that category. Hysteria was
    'shite' if you ask me, I got it and was definitely DISAPPOINTED in it!
    
    Mike
    
    
    

    
    
    I stand by my words...Pyromania was a great album!
    
    
    
    							ian

    Pyromania was cool...  But so wasn't High-n-Dry....
             

I also find Pyromania their best album. Foolin is a real killer song.

Sorin

    
    
    I liked Stagefright!Their first 3 were great albums,the rest have been
    dung!
    
    
    
    					ian

    If there is still anybody out there, I'd like to get your opinions on
    some topics.  If that's not too much trouble.
    
    1.   What do you think of "VAULT"
    2.   How do feel about Vivian Campbell joining the band.  pro/con
    3.   Did anyone see their latest show
    4.   Have you heard about their new album due out this year
    
    Please respond and thanks in advance
    
    Frank.  

    Sorry Frank, it's just too much trouble.
    
    8)

    
    	I loved Viv Campbell with Dio, but I haven't heard him playing
    	with Def Leppard.  I gave up on Def Leppard when "Hysteria"
    	came out ... didn't even buy it, since I heard [more than] e-
    	nough on the radio.
    

    Campell Milks it with DL.He Doesn't Show what he can do..Like he
    did when he was with Dio...
    
      Crazy_He's_Board_And_Only_In_It_Fer_The_$$$$$$$$_Al

    Imho, Campbell could be in DL or not and noone would be the wiser.
    His playing is really "behind the scenes" in this band!!
    
    Besides, they're like major has-beens now -- does anyone really care
    about this band anymore?  I mean, look at the sales of their last two
    albums!!
    

    	I have never really been a fan of DL, but in the last few years
    they have REALLY SUCKED, I mean the only thing they write are 
    Micheal Bolton Power Ballads...
    
    	Bobby T

    
    Hysteria was the end of Def Leppard!
    
    
    						ian

    
    re: -1
    
     ..... and the beginning of crap.......

    
    Ian, your wrong, it was the diaherria that ended his tour !

    I just listened to the new tune out by the Lep's.....
    
    WOW!
    
    They have finally dropped the "Hysteria" sound and this is COMPLETELY
    different! If you weren't told it was Def Leppard, you probably
    wouldn't know it.
    
    I'm not saying it's a great tune, cause I'd have to listen to it a few
    more times, but it is definately different.
    
    
    Listen for it, it sound's like a bit of a re-birth.
    
    Paully

They're out on tour this summer at Great Woods...

    I heard the song too.  I LLLLLLLLLiked it!!!!!!
    
    
    It's very different.  they said their album was going to be more RAW
    and from the sound of this song, I hope the rest is just as good.
    
    I'm waiting for the release of the concert dates.  If anyone hears
    about dates in eastern Canada-  Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, and area,
    let me know.
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    
    
    Frank.....
    

    
    	Check note 5.end for the release date of the album, if you
    	want to know that.
    

    Skeptical, but I'll give it a listen.
    -ss

    
    	Actually, I heard the first cut from the new CD over
    	the weekend.
    
    	Definitely a bit different.
    
    	It's not one of their typical tunes that you automatically
    	know is them by the first chord.
    

    
     I can play drums better than that guy with no arms...

    
    	Ummm, he has 1 arm.
    

    
    MMM- Is it me or is he putting himself down ?? Because Rick is pretty
    good!  hahaha

    
    I agree.  He is a very good drummer and uses alot of ingenuity to
    play what he does which is more than I can say for alot of other so
    called drummers.
    
    Frank..

    
    Did Vivian Campbell have more to do with this new stuff? The guitar
    work is a little more on the heavier side (for them).
    It's not too bad.

    re -2,-3
    
    
    Is he a good drummer just because he can keep a beat? I've never heard
    anything spectacular, only boredom, from his 4/4 style.
    -ss

    Re: -1
    
    I agree...sure he only has one arm...but that doesn't make him
    any more talented.  I've never heard him solo or anything but
    based on all the DefLeapord I've heard his stuff is just there...
    nothing spectacular..just drums...nothin cool...
    Even listening to the albums where he had both arms it's nothing
    to write home about.  
    
    Shane, who thinks if you want to hear a talented drummer (other than
    Alex VH of course) then you should listen to some old Living Color
    or Dave Matthews Band or Rush...now that's talent put into the music.

Dave Matthews band live does some rulin' jams

    Not that I think the lepps have a great drummer or anything, but 
    someone here said "Why?  Cuz he can keep a beat?"
    
    Without rat-holing I should say that MOST drummers I know can't keep
    a beat...  Clients come into my studio and spend the majority of their
    dough waiting for the drummer to learn to settle into a consistent
    beat.
    
    Wanna freak out a drummer?  Make him play to a click; most can't unless 
    they practice with a metronome.
    
    My point is, a solid drummer with good metre is worth ten drummers with
    flash...
    
    jc

    Re: -1
    
    If you want consistent ... buy a frickin drum machine.  ;)
                                                                     
    If you want something that makes the music live and breathe
    and stirs up all the emotions in your gut and makes you want
    to dance around naked then get a good drummer.
    
    Being able to play along with a metronome or click track for any
    longer than 30 seconds is a pointless exercise in my opinion.  
    Click tracks are easier to play along with since they're usually
    fed into your head through headphones so you can crank it up to
    hear the click over the drums.  But playing drums along with a 
    metronome is pretty hard to do and stay in sync for longer than
    a minute. Drummers do not have a 60 Hz oscillator built inside them.  
    They're not going to be perfect.  So long as they can keep control of 
    the tempo and not let the bassist or guitarists speed it up or slow it
    down then that's all they have to worry about as for tempo.
    When we recorded we laid down the drum tracks first.  We then built
    a click track from the drum track rather than the other way around.
    
    Some drummers are just so boring they may as well left the click
    track on the music instead of the drums.  There has to be some
    feeling there too rather than just time keeping IMO.
    
    Shane, who is very hungry right now...I think I'll head to Taco Hell ;)
     

>    Being able to play along with a metronome or click track for any
>    longer than 30 seconds is a pointless exercise in my opinion.  
    
    Spoken like a true drummer.
    
    I understand your point about drummers not being oscillators.  Real
    music does slow down and speed up and that contributes to the
    musicality.   Static tempos actually are boring and the mark of
    amateurish production.
    
    If you were to look at (for example) some of the stuff I've submitted
    to the various GUITAR and COMMUSIC tapes (collections of recordings
    from DEC employees) you'd find that most of my stuff has tempo
    variation even though it was ALL recorded to a click track.  I actually
    took the time to create a "tempo track" where (just like a real drummer
    does) the tempo varies between the verse, the chorus, break, etc.
    
    And I can definitely hear the difference when I flatten out that tempo
    track.  Parts that I sped up seem to "pull", parts that I slowed down
    seem to "push".
    
    The reason you don't see any value to playing to a click track is that
    your band doesn't do anything with MIDI.
    
    One reason to "be ABLE to play to a click track" is to be able to
    use the editing functions of sequencers.
    
    We recorded our Metropolis demo in "free time".  That is, we did use
    a sequencer but the beat of the music isn't sync'ed to the beat of
    the sequencer.  
    
    I would NOT do it that way again.
    
    1) It means that I can't quantize parts
    2) It means that I can't notate parts automatically
    3) It means that I can't perform operations on sections denoted by
    	 bars (like say "tranpose bars 5 thru 7")
    4) Because the MIDI data doesn't correspond to things like "quarter
    	notes" the various ways to display track data end up putting
    	stuff on the screen that's difficult to relate to what you think
    	of in your head.
    
    Wanna know how I would do things ideally?   I'd have the drummer record
    a track but NOT to a click track and use a device that's available to
    turn what he plays into a tempo track.
    
    Then, I'd either keep what he played or (more likely) have him
    re-record it to a click track that's based on the tempo of his original
    track.
    
    > But playing drums along with a  metronome is pretty hard to do and stay
    > in sync for longer than a minute. 
    
    My experience is that some drummers have no problem with this, others
    simply can't do it.  It's almost like there's no middle ground.
    
    I do know that conventional wisdom among drum instructors is that its
    very valuable to practice BOTH with a metronome and (at other times)
    without one.   
    

    Listen to Death's "Symbolic".  This is the tightest, most intricate
    drumwork I've ever heard. There's a good drummer.
    -ss

    RE: db
    
    Thanks - I knew if I commented, you'd pick up the ball
    and run with it.
    
    BTW - Pick up a copy of the new Cakewalk Pro v4 - It does "Groove" 
    quantize where I can record a guitar track (or anything) digitally,
    and Cakewalk will pick up the tempo from the music and lock right
    up.  In addition to tempo grooves, it also diddles velocities and
    stuff too.  It's perfect for emoting via timing changes, etc...
    
    Too slick.
    
    RE: Shane 
    
    I do have a drum machine - It's called a human rhythm composer, and it
    speeds up and slows down.  :-)
    

    Re: Coop
    
    human rhythm machine eh ?  well I suppose that's ok...so long
    as you don't go making Rap or Disco music with it ;)
    
    Shane, who can't stand that synth sound

    
    	Hey!!  Disco ROOLZ!!
    

>    BTW - Pick up a copy of the new Cakewalk Pro v4 - It does "Groove" 
>    quantize where I can record a guitar track (or anything) digitally,
>    and Cakewalk will pick up the tempo from the music and lock right
>    up.  
    
    Am I understanding this correctly?
    
    Are you saying that you can play something totally out of tempo and
    Cakewalk has the ability to figure what YOUR tempo was, and throw
    out the original tempo so that the notes you played land on the beat?
    
    Cause... my understanding of so-called "groove" functions was that 
    they were kinda like quantize except that instead of quantizing to
    the beat, you could quantize one instrument to another.
    
    For example, you can quantize the bass guitar track so that it always
    locked into the bass drum for a really tight rhythm section.
    
    Which of those two is it?
    
    If it's that it can derive a tempo track from an arbitrary performance
    my next question is:
    
    
    
    
    
    		Where can I get a copy!!!!          ;-)
    
    

    
    the later...  Here's the scoop:
    
    jc plugs his guitar in and just plays something and records direct to
    disk via your favorite WAVE editor.  The tempo meanders.
    
    Next, you open up CakePro and suck up the wave file, and prepare to
    add a snare - but you screw it up.  So, you tell CakePro to quantize 
    the midi snare to the WAVE you recorded earlier, and "presto", you
    get a snare thats quantized to your meandering mess... (hence, my
    original"groove"...
    
    Pardon typing - I'm RAS'd in from a hotel with my laptop - bleck.
    jc

    
    
         Joe Elliot and his Girlfriend were both arrested for beating each
    other up!
    
    
    No ffffffffooling

    	I heard that on WAAF this morning...
    
    	Originally she called the police to report Joe, but when the
    	police arrived, they found bruises on both of them, so they
    	arrested both of them.

    
     The drummer uses MIDI so he doesn't even have to drum at all....so
    he can wave his feet and on hand in the air, it really doesn't
    matter... and by all means...he's certainly Not
    
    
    
     Paul Bonham...!
    
    

    Paul Bonham?   

    
    	He must've meant Jason.
    

    	Rick Allen?
    
    	Just because he uses MIDI doesn't mean he's faking it...
    
    	He's using a combination of acoustic drums and trigger
    	pads, operated by his left foot. That's how he plays a
    	single stroke roll, with his right hand & left foot.
    
    	He is playing the drums, don't be fooled by the trigger
    	pads...
    
    	And Jason was fun to listen to, but he really doesn't play
    	anything like his father did. John Bonham redefined Rock
    	drumming, all with a 5-piece kit using one mounted Tom on
    	a 24 inch bass drum.
    
    	re .473
    
    	Tight, intricate drumming? Death? You can't be serious...
    
    	What about Rod Morgenstein, Billy Cobham, Lenny White, Bill
    	Bruford, Neil Peart, Chad Wackerman, Omar Hakim, Terry Bozio,
    	Carl Palmer, Trilok Gertu and about 500 other huge talents who
    	define the term "intricate"?
    
    	You want Intricate? Listen to Return to Forever, or find
    	any disc from Mahavishnu Orchestra.
    
    	Oops, forgot, this is the Def Leppard topic. Sorry about that...

What about Don Brewer?  You know the drummer in Grand Funk Railroad?
 Man that
guy stinks.

I heard a comedian making fun of him once.  He said he went to a GFR concert and
left when the blickas started.  Blickas?  You know - they occur in bad drum
solos.

tap tap tap blicka blicka blicka blicka boom crash

Tim

    	Oh, and I forgot Simon Phillips!!!!
    
    	Listen to any recording with Simon, I look for a big rock
    	to crawl under. Especially that live recording of the Who
    	a couple years back. Simon is amazing...
    
    	Don Brewer was/is great, I have an old (er, um) piece of vinyl,
    	(um, it was new when I bought it) called Grand Funk Railrod
    	Live, recorded at Madison Square Garden. I drove my mom nuts
    	listening to the drum solo Don did on that recording.
    
    	And I love the intro to "We're an American Band", Don Brewer,
    	love the guy...
    
    	Sheesh I'm getting old...

I think I have that album.  The black one with Mark Farner going nuts on the
cover?  Has Into the Sun as a whole side or something like that?  

I always thought that was recorded in Atlanta.  I guess because the review
inside talks about the Atlanta music festival.

My objection to Don Brewer was most of the stuff he does is pretty limp and
sounds like filler.

    	Well, to keep Shawn from going batty, I'll stop with my
    	rat-hole replies, but I'll double-check the vinyl.
    
    	Don Brewer was a classic influence, growing up in the very
    	early 70's, I was listening to Climax Blues Band, Grand Funk,
    	and Deep Purple...
    
    	I promise Shawn, all future Grand Funk replies will go
    	under topic #652...

    
    	Well, at least this discussion progressed between 2 different
    	drummers, which is sort of OK, even if 1 is non-HM and non-
    	Def Leppard.
    
    	But Slayer to Busch Gardens?  That's bordering on illegal.
    
    	8^)
    

    From the CNN website: 
    
    Def Leppard drummer charged with wife abuse
    
     The one-armed drummer of the British rock band Def Leppard was
     charged on Thursday with spousal battery for allegedly slamming his
     wife's head against a restroom wall at Los Angeles International
     Airport. The Los Angeles City Attorney's office said Richard Allen
     would be formally charge on May 22 with abuse and false
     imprisonment, for taking his wife against her will into the restroom.
     Each charge is punishable by up to one year in prison and/or a $1,000
     fine.
    

    And The Beat Goes_On..
    

    	That incident actually happened awhile back, I think in
    	1995, he was never formally charged.

    	I wonder if the incident with Joe Elliot & his girlfriend
    	prompted the DA to bring charges against Rick.
    
    	Meaning, they just might end up formally charging Joe as
    	well.

    At least Rick's girlfriend only got HALF the beating Joe's girl did! 8)
    
    Paully
    

    
    	Has anyone bought/heard "Slang" yet?
    
    	After 2 listens it's not bad, I guess.  I don't have "Hysteria"
    	or "Adrenalize" yet [but the latter was just paid for and is on
    	the way to me via mail], so I can't compare this to anything
    	newer than "Pyromania".  No comparison there, but I didn't expect
    	there to be so I'm not disappointed in that aspect.
    
    	The BICTRM [Ballads In Comparison To Real Music] ratio isn't as
    	bad as I thought it'd be [I'll have to listen again to see what
    	the actual ratio is], and there are a few standouts that deserve
    	repeated listenings.
    
    

    
    I bought it on the 15th.  After a few listens I have to say that it is
    what I was expecting.  I heard interviews with them and they said it
    was going to be more raw.  Some songs are but alot of them still some
    Hysteria-ish.  I like the fact that they have a lot of different styles
    in the songs, from almost industrial-like to their regular sound.  It's
    a good variety.  I'm not sure how much Vivian Campbell had to do with
    the sound style of the album but it sure is different in some aspects.
    i'm looking forward to seeing them in concert just to see and hear what
    it's like live.
    
    Looking forward to other comments,
    
    Frank.

    Well Frank, you just missed seeing them live....they were on Leno last
    night.
    
    Paully
    

    IT FIGURES,  when there there is something good on I have to work.
    
    Thanks anyways Paully.
    
    Frank.

I'm surpised they sounded good.  Everything I've heard says this band either
plays pre-recorded concerts (well backup and fills..) or just stinks and plays
out of tune.

    Well, on the VAULT video, there is a section that shows them playing
    live unplugged in a Sheffield bar.  Their back-ups are amazing. Very
    well harmonized.  I'm sure that they must use some kind of voice
    enhancement in their live shows, but then again, who hasn't. It's
    pretty much a necessity nowadays with a schedule that these bands have.
    
    Frank.

    Def Leppard sucks very badly.

    RE: .502
    
    	I haven't read one note yet in which you liked a band....what the
    "H" do you listen to anyways? [^8=

    The Leps have been shite since Hign N Dry!

         Def Leppard does suck. Always has. You people ought to be ashamed
    of yourselves. 

    
    actually,they've sucked since Pyromania.The first 3 albums are
    excellant!
    
    
    						Ian

    
    	Yeah, I loved "Pyromania".  The 1st 2 are OK, and I guess deserve
    	another listen once I finish listening to my "new purchases" pile.
    

    Why bother with this note if you have no interest in this band?!!!!
    
    Frank
    

    Beleive me buddy, If these notes didn`t come up automatically You would
    never see me in Def Lepard, Van Halen, or any of that other crap you
    people get into.
    
    

    
    <----- ever hear of 'next unseen'????
    use it sometime.
    

    If you would quit putting notes in this topic maybe I wouldn`t be so
    tempted to rag on you. I have a right to my opinion, and I can`t
    understand why people would listen to Def Lepard when there is so much
    good music out there.
    
    

      AMEN!
    
    -BG
    

    
    re: .511
     Dude. Take a relaxation pill will ya. 
    
    Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinons, but is it really
    necessary to insult someone cuz they like a certain band?
    
    There are a great many bands in this notefile that suck. Some that
    don't and some I've never heard of and thanks to a few people in here,
    I have been introduced to some new bands in which I enjoy listening to.
    Dream Theater being one of them. (or do they suck in you opinon too?)
    
    So ok, tell us what you think of bands, whether you like 'em or not,
    but why go on and say that whoever likes them is stupid??
    
    Dave
    

    I don`t remember calling anyone anything.
    

       The only reason someone would think that Dream Theater sucks would
    be that they are jealous of there playing ability.
    
    -BG
    

    re -2
    
    If you like DT you'll love Cannibal Corpse.
    -ss

    Technical playing don`t always make a band good. Although DT ain`t the
    worst band I ever heard, I don`t get into theur music. I guess I just
    said that they suck to be a smart a$$.

    so ask Mike
    
    -BG
    

       That is true, but even if you don't like their style of music you
    can still agree that they can play really well.
    
    -BG
    

    
    In that case we'll be line-down all night!!
    
    Mike
    

    Agreed, they can play.

    I'm new, I can get away with it.

         The main  point of this arguement is that we all agree:: Def
    Leppard sucks. Anyone who likes Def Leppard also sucks. 

    Oh give it up!
    -BG

    I think he is referring to you LYLE.

    
    I think so too, however I don't like Def Leppard.
    

    so what

    but do they suck worse than abba
    

    I think it is a tie.

    RE: THEMAX::EPPERSON & ::E_WALKER
    
    The rocks in your head could fill the holes in his!
    
    And no I'm not a rebelling Def Lep fan...