Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    
    
    	I just recently saw Motley Crue in Lakeland, FL while I was
    	living down there this past winter.  Guns & Roses opened for them.
       
    	They were terrific.  Tommy Lee going upside down and all around
    	was the highlight of my evening.  Along with a lot of other
    	things.
    
    
    	However, I heard that when they played here in Worcester - 
    	they were awful and that Whitesnake blew 'em away.  I find
    	this hard to believe.
    
    	What's the real scoop?
    
    	/kim
    
    

    
    
    Peter,
    
    	It's a bunch of bull.  Nikki is alive and doing just fine.
    	Don't ask where I heard it, but there are all alive and just
    	fine.
    
    	I heard the same thing about Axl Rose.  HA!
    
    	/kim
    

    
    
    	But Peter, it's not Poison we're discussing.  It's the Crue.
    	I didn't think it was right that Whitesnake blew them away,
    	but I had to hear it for myself.
    
    	All I know is that they were excellent when they were in 
    	Lakeland.
    
        Do you suppose it's coincidence that they are all married,
    	engaged, or going out with models/extreme beauties.
    
    	In one of the HM mags, Vince said something to the effect
    	of "You become rock-n-rollers so they can marry models."
    
    	
    	

    
    	   Oddly enough, I happened to be in Worcester when the
    	Crue and Whitesnake came to town.  While I didn't attend,
    	both of my run-around buddies went, and both agreed that	
    	Whitesnake blew the Crue away. 
    
    	- Greg
    	(Who wishes no that he had gone)
    

 
    
        Re .5
    
        And woman become models to marry rock-n-rollers!!
    
    Renee

    
     I went to the Crue show in Worcester and I thought they were great! 
    Maybe because Whitesnake was riding such a high profile at the time
    everyone was really psyched to see them or whatever, but I went
    to the show to see Motley Crue. I could've cared less who warmed
    them up. Whitesnake was good, But I am a MUCH bigger Crue fan so
    I'm a little biased towards them.
    
    /Bill Upham
    

    I wasn't there, but it wouldn't suprise me that Whitesnake blew
    away Motley Crue. Coverdale assembled an INCREDIBLE band for that
    tour, and any band would have a hard time keeping up with the guys
    in Whitesnake.
    
    C'mon, do you really think Mick Mars can go onstage after Vivian
    Campbell and look good? Man for man, Whitesnake has Crue beat by
    a mile!!!
    
    Alan S.
    
    OK, so I'm not the biggest Crue fan in the world...

    Yeah yeah yeah, the people that say that Whitesnake "blew the Crue
    away" aren't Motley Crue fans, they're Whitesnake fans, they went
    to see Whitesnake. Now what are they going to say about the show..???
    
    	I went to the show with some friends, one of which hasn't heard
    much of either band's music. I thought Whitesnake and Motley Crue
    was an AWESOME show. I personally thought the Crue was fantastic.
    Whitesnake was good. The guy that hadn't heard much music by either
    band thought the Crue were the balls. A much more exciting show
    I thought. 
    
    Oh well. 
    
    /Mike

    
    
    Well, it seems that for every person who says the Crue was awesome,
    there's one who says that Whitesnake was awesome.  I guess the whole
    show was a major success.
    
    I wish that Whitesnake had opened for them in Lakeland instead of
    Guns'n'Roses.  At the time, G&R were still unknown.
    
    
    Question for everyone.  Do you like their more recent stuff or do
    you like the very beginnings??  I, myself, prefer the more recent
    stuff.  Vince's voice has developed a great deal since their meager
    beginnings.
    
    /kim
    

    
    
    	Well, be it new or old, I like Motley Crue.  I admit they're
    	softening a bit (whimping out to use your words), but!
               
    	But I wouldn't call them Top 40'ish ... yet!!
    
    	/kim

    Ahhh. I think that Motley Crue's first two albums are absolutely
    what Motley Crue really is, what they are supposed to be, and what
    they should definitely go back to being. 
    	The first album was incredibly raw, scumbag, pure energy metal,
    and I loved it. Back then, they were a HEAVY METAL band right off
    the streets.
    	The second album is a classic. They were one of the best metal
    bands around. 
    	Then comes incredible popularity. Nikki says "we're not a heavy
    metal band, we're a rock-n-roll band." Booooooo.
    	Then Theatre of Pain, spandex, purple makeup. Vince in this
    period is Poison's inspiration. 
    	GirlsX3 is a return to leather, and some kickass music. I say
    BACK TO HEAVY METAL!!!!
    
    	I once heard Nikki Sixx say in an interview "hey, we're just
    trying to develop. I mean, we could just go back in the studio and
    make another Shout at the Devil album."
    
    I say they should stop trying to be Aerosmith, and get back to what
    THEY are good at. 
    
    	When I saw them in concert, they played almost every song off
    of "Too Fast for Love", and "Shout at the Devil." That's their
    best stuff! I mean, as good as a band like Whitesnake is, what song
    can they play in a show that's gonna get people up as much as 
    Live Wire, Looks that Kill, or Too Fast for Love?
    
    /Mike
    

    	I haven't heard Girlx3 but I know Theatre Of Pain didn't do
    a thing for me.  "Live Wire" is what I ALWAYS crank up at "The
    Whitehouse" when I've got some blues to chase away.  I hope the
    Crue doesn't continue to chase the younger crowd similar to what
    "I" think KISS did and they sorta fell from grace.  KISS started
    out like a ball of fire and the Crue did too.  Crue shouldn't polish
    their songs to much, they're not that kind of band.  They're raw
    and rough, bad boys if you will.  They shouldn't put on the 3 piece
    suits even if they're tiger-stripe spandex !  
    
    
    			Mr Scary II

    
    
    	Rumor has it that Mick Mars is getting a divorce.
    	Any confirmations??
    
    	I didn't know he was married to begin with, but everyone knows
    	Mick is the odd one out when it comes to the Crue.  Very quiet
    	and to himself.
    
    	/kim
    

    
    
    	re: .17>>>>they shouldn't put on 3 piece suits....
    
    	I agree, but Nikki had one on when he had to go to court just
    	a short while ago on accusations that these two kids were 
    	injured at one of their concerts from "pyrotechnical devices"
    
    	One of the kids (ages 17 and 19) received a split lip and the
    	other one was blinded in his right eye.
    
    	Nikki said that since the pyro stuff was behind the band there
    	was no way it would reach the audience.
    
    	The whole thing was declared a mistrial, I believe; and will
    	have to go to court again.
    
    	Geez....
    
    	/tiggr
    

    
    
    	The court battle has finished.
    
    	I can't remember all the details, but I think Motley Crue
    	wound up settling out of court (can someone verify this?)
    	and the kids got close to a million bucks a piece!!!
    
    	This incident happened on their Theatre of Pain tour 
    	almost how long ago????  A couple of years, at least!
    	
    	Took these kids long enough to come forward, didn't it?
    	Something's definitely not right with this one!
    
    	/kimster
    

    Didn't they get spattered by some dry ice or other pyro-type stuff
    that caused one kid to lose an eye ?
    
    jc
    

    
    
    	One kid lost an eye and the other split his lip open.
    
    /kim
    

    
    
    
    
    	Sigh.....Vince has finally married that little bimbette,
    	Sharise....what a waste of a rockin' man!
    
    	/tig!
    

    
    Funny Kim, I was just talking to a friend today about Vince's 
    wedding. Actually, Charisse was a model in Surfing magazine's
    swimsuit issue before she married Vince. Yeah, she's a bimbette,
    but she's awesome looking, and I don't think that Vince is 
    any genius himself.
    	By the way, I guess Vince's wedding was THE place to be. 
    Nikki was best man, all the band was in the wedding. David
    Coverdale was there, I think just about EVERYBODY that is somebody
    in the HM world was there. Do you know some of the other people
    that were there?
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    RE: .28
    
    	Nope.  No info on who was there.  In fact, I remember 
    	hearing about the engagement, but I don't remember even
    	hearing about the actual wedding!
    
    	She was also a mud wrestler...rumor has it that the
    	marriage is getting a little rocky.  I'm crossing my
    	fingers.
    
    	You're right, Vince is no genius.   Neither is Tommy
    	Lee, but at least Tommy chose a wife with half a brain!
    
    	/tig!

    
    I just heard a good one on the news.  Some place in Montana they
    are playing Motley Crew and Twisted Sister 24 hours a day at high
    volume to keep ducks and geese away from a cyanide contaminated
    pond!!!  The ducks and geese hate the music so much they won't go
    near the water!!! 
    
    I thought it was funny.
    
    Rae

    
    
    	More info on the Pyro accident at a Crue show in 
    	Alabama.
    
    	From Metal Edge, without permission.
    
    	RUMOR:  The Crue had to pay a million dollars to two
    		concertgoers injured at a show in Alabama.
    	FACT:	Robert Miller lost an eye and David Wright got a
    		split lip at the Motley Theatre of  Pain concert
    		they attended in Huntsville, AL.  They claimed
    		that the injuries were the result of flying
    		debris from special effects, a dry ice machine
    		in particular, and sued the venue, promoter,
    		city, and the band for over $1 million.  While
    		the cases against the others were thrown out,
    		the charge against Motley Crue stood and went to
    		trial, where the band's lawyers proved the equipment
   		was not at fault.  However, a deadlocked jury
    		caused a mistrial, and the two youths later
    		agreed to accept an out of court settlement
    		from the band's insurer for upwards of $175,000
    		most of it to Miller.
    
    Tig~~
    

    
    
    	Well, Ii just read the tragic break up of
    	Sharise and Vince. One again, from Metal Edge
    	without permission.
    
    	RUMOR:	Vince Neil and Sharise Rudell called it quits
    		after only three months of marriage.
    
    	FACT:	While management declines to comment, reliable
    		sources confirm that this one is true.  The
    		rocker and the ex-mud wrestler had been living
    		together for a yera, but one insider quotes
    		Vince as saying that legalizing the relationship
    		was a big mistake.
    
    	(Back to the pigpen for you, Sharise!)
    
    	tig~~
    

    
    
    	Just tons of stuff on these guys, I guess.
   	Metal Edge, without permission.
    
    	RUMOR:	A new home video, Uncensored II, will be released
    		by year's end.
    
    	FACT:	Another Uncensored tape is in the works, but
    		it's release will likely be in '89, as it will
    		probably feature clips from the next record as 	
    		well as the Girls, Girls, Girls videos, including
    		the MTV banned "You're  All I Need" and -dropped
    		"Girls, Girls, Girls"
    
    	Tig~~  Who's now going to be waiting impatiently!
    

    I have seen the banned video and have a copy of  it off cable tv,
    how many of you have seen it and thought it worth banning.??
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    It was banned because the storyline contains a guy who has murdered
    his wife/girlfriend and throughout the video you see evidence of
    her demise and the steps leading up to her death, and the police
    arriving at the end. I thought it was one of the best videos i had
    seen by any band that concentrates the video around an idea. You
    do also see occasional shots of the band members in action.
                       
    I think i had better watch it again before i try to interpret
    in any more detail.
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    
        I took out 'Too Fast for Love' last night, and I think it's
        gonna be on the turntable for awhile now ... incredible!!
    
        If U want raw H_M, this is the album to listen to ...
        'Live Wire' kicks *ss!!
    
        They also make good use of a 'cowbell' on some songs.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Piece of Your Action is a good tune too.  Live Wire is one of my
    ALLTIME favorite songs of any band.
    
       Scary (... a little bit better than I used to be cuz ...)
    

    
    Hey Shawn you hear the Demo I have for the TFFL album it's almost
     like another album there are things on there that didn't make it
    on the master such as a song "Stick To Your Guns" and other little
    things.
    
    					M
    					 B 

    re:46
    
    	Hey Shawn, check out my intro. note! I already know that
    TFFL is a CLASSIC kick as* album. It is a very raw dirty 
    album by (then) young Motley Crue true dirtbags. An album
    full of the energy of a band that was living VERY dangerously
    at the time. It's also one my fave all time albums.
    
    enough raving.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
     The new Motley album will either be titled Monsterous or sex,sex
    and rock n roll.
    
    	M
    	 B

    whens it due to hit the stores????
    
    

 
    	Well, I decided to waste some money and went out and bought
    	the March issue of Hit Parader....Reprinted below without
    	permission is some info on the Crue's next LP.
    
    
    	"Here's an update on Motley Crue's new LP, Monstrous.
    	 According to bassist Nikki Sixx, one of the album's
    	 main tracks will be "Say Yeah," dedicated to Matthew
    	 Trippe, the nut who went around claiming he was 
    	 Nikki Sixx.  "That a**hole finally got what he wanted,"
    	 Sixx said.  "He got Nikki Sixx to acknowledge he's
    	 alive -- I hope it makes him happy."
    
	Tigga~~
        

    
     >> dedicated to Matthew Trippe, the nut who went around claiming 
     >> he was Nikki Sixx. 
        
    claiming ??, no way, that guy was N.S.
    
    Ever wonder why Nikki Sixx (Frank Ferrano) has got so much taller 
    latley over the last couple years ?
         
    -Tony

       The New Crue album is due in the stores May 4th! But, they've
    changed the name again according to Rolling Stone Mag. A friend
    told me the name, but my memory is shot! Sorry!
    
    
    

    I found out the name of the New Crue album,
    
           It's called " Dr. Feelgood"!
    
     Don't know when it's due out , But it can't be too far away with
    all of the school kids getting out for the summer. They seemed to
    spend a lot more $$$!

    But does anyone outside the UK remember an R&B Band called:
    
    
    			"DR FEELGOOD"
    
    
    	They were amazing..... so why the Crue ripping off a respected
    name from the UK R&B Scene......
    
    ;^)
    
    Bonzo

    re -1 I'm sure that's exactly what they had in mind when they namede
    the album.  

    ill heybe turning wister is summah?
        
    ise dere.
    
    Rob

WTF ?

    What he said!

    
    
    	Well that sounded to me like some sort of gibberish asking
    	if they'd be touring the Worcester area?!?!!  
    
    	Well, no matter.  They're supposed to be touring starting
    	in August some time (from what I've read in the trash mags)
    	and hopefully they'll do Worcester!
    
    	Tigga~~  (can't wait!)

    
    RE: VCSESU::COOK 
	Sounds cool. Hopefully they will go back to the old sound, but you
        know the chances of that.
        
    	(I took this from the rumors topic since it was dealing with
    	 the Crue)
    
    	Yea...I remember reading about their new image and they said
        that the ripped jeans and tee-shirt stage was over and now it's
    	time for a new look.  It looked as though (from the picture)
	they were headed back towards the "Theatre of Pain" genre.
    	Judging from the makeup Vince was wearing....
    
    	Tigga~~~    	                                          
    
    

    
    	From the pictures I saw, they looked like a cross between
    Shout at the Devil, and Girlsx3. Vince is blonde again, Nikki's
    got the 'Shout' hair, and they're wearing those leather skivvies
    again.
    They look good.
    
    The latest I've heard is that Nikki and the rest of the band
    are completely CLEAN. No booze, no drugs. 
    Nikki's been a recluse (according to him) for the last year,
    staying in writing music. He says he only leaves the house to
    work out, for two hours every day.
    	Dr. Feelgood is about the usual topics, SEX, and sex, and
    a couple other themes I can't remember.
    	Nikki says that Mick Mars has been doing a lot of writing,
    and that all members have been actively involved with the 
    music on this album.
    	They've got 17 tracks that they want to release. SInce
    contractual agreements prohibit them from releasing a double
    album, Sixx says that they may have a surprise this year, releasing
    TWO albums. One with kick-ass heavy metal (he mentioned a speed
    metal ballad?), and the other named "Motley Crue Ballads". He's
    supposedly written quite a few ballads. A hard album, and a ballad
    album. Interesting.
    	
    	Cinderella plays on the album, Brian Adams sings backup on
    the album, Aerosmith appears on the album, and some other 'names'
    that escape me presently also make appearances.
    
    	Nikki says that he hasn't felt this hungry since 1981, when
    the band was trying to make a name for itself. He credits his
    new clean lifestyle for making him an "animal" and making him
    get as excited about the band as he is. He says all he cares
    about is this album, and his three rock and roll brothers.
    
    ...taken from some HM magazine in MiniFarms in Westboro...
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    
    	Good scoop, Mike!!  I read a recent article in Metal 
    	Edge that interviewed Nikki and he also said that he
    	feels this is going to be the BEST album ever...
    
    	Lemme know when you (or anyone else) finds out more...    
	
    
    	Tigga~~~                                                       

    
    
    	I've got a gripe...Where do these people get off suing bands
    	like Motley Crue for damage done to their ears?!?!
    
    	I recently read in some magazine that a girl from somewhere
    	in Florida just won a $30,000 case against Motley Crue because
    	she lost part of her hearing when she was at one of their 
    	concerts and was 10 feet away from the speakers.
    
    	Did someone put a gun to this chicks' head and FORCE her to
    	be 10 feet from the speakers??  Did someone force her to be
    	in the front row at all???  Or for that matter, did someone
    	force her to go to the concert at all?!?!?!
    
    	Tigga~~~ (who's glad she wasn't on THAT jury!)

>    	Did someone put a gun to this chicks' head and FORCE her to
>    	be 10 feet from the speakers??  Did someone force her to be
>    	in the front row at all???  Or for that matter, did someone
>    	force her to go to the concert at all?!?!?!

No, but I also believe that the band has a responsibility to protect their 
fans in every way possible. There is no way a band should play so loud that 
there is a chance of injuring someone in the crowd. It is not reasonable for a 
fan to expect that sort of injury - she shouldn't knwo better, but the band 
should!

I mean, if attendance is the issue, where does the line stop? If someone 
smashed into my car, am I at fault, because no one is *forcing* me to drive?

Sorry, Tig, but I can't follow that line of reasoning. If the facts are true, 
and the girl did lose her hearing because the band was too loud, I think the 
band should be accountable for that.

cat

    The Rolling Stones were were fined heavily on their last US wing
    around the big arenas for playing some dates at 156db!  OSHA states
    a person should not be exposed to 117dbs for more than 20min at
    a time, and 140db is the threshold of pain, so in that case its
    the bands fault for being irresponsible!
    
    I agree with cat, noone should have to even worry about bodily harm
    when they go to see a show.  Didn't one of their fans get blinded
    by a flash pot or something?  That's their fault too!

    
    
    	I see your points, but I still think she didn't HAVE to stay
    	up front.  Florida has General Admission to their shows (At least 
    	the show that I was at) and to me that means she could've
    	moved back when she started to realize that the music was 
    	too loud.
    
    	I guess what I'm trying to get at is the fact that although
    	the Crue (or any other band for that matter) was playing too
    	loud, she should've attempted to remove herself from the 
    	situation.  Just like you're going to try and avoid a car
    	accident, you're going to try to avoid something that is 
    	harmful to your hearing.
    
    	No need to apologize, Cat.  You've got a right to disagree
    	with me...but ya better watch it next time I see ya!!  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~                                

>    I agree with Kim. The woman in question was stupid. It was her fault
>    for staying there 

I'm not sure that is a legitimate answer. Many times, I have been to shows and 
had my ears ringing afterwards. But it didn't hurt, or even bother me, during 
the show. It wasn't until afterwards that I noticed the effect. So she may not 
have even been aware of the problem at the time.

Besides, even if you argue that the bands are not legally responsible, they 
certainly should be *morally* responsible to their fans, and should take their 
health into consideration when performing. I personally would never want to be 
in a band that caused a fan to lose their hearing - I would feel incredibly
guilty (even if it was not directly my fault)!

cat

    
    	Unfortunately, business law puts the responsibility of your
    	safety with the business, even though you are acting in an
    	irresponsible mannor. Also, the trend for laywers is to go after
    	"deep pockets" I'm sure the lawyer argued that a barrier around
    	the speakers should have been 15 feet away.
    
    	Not too long ago, some teenagers climbed over a 10 foot fence,
    	topped with barbed-wire, into some type of electrical transformer.
    	One of the kids touched something and fried himself. The parents
    	won the lawsuit. They claimed that the area should have been
    	impossible to get into.
    
    	Guy
    

                                                      
    Sounds like some chick trying to make a small fortuner at the Cruds
    expense.                                          
                                                      
    I see both points :-                              
                                                      
    a) If her ears were that damaged believe me - she WOULD have noticed
       *at* the gig and she should have removed herself from the situation.
                                                      
    b) The Crud should not be so loud that they could *potentially* do
       damage.
               
    Its a draw.

    	The "chick" who filed suit is a 40 year-old woman who escorted
    	her daughter to the concert and claimed she only stood in the
    	6th row for half an hour, after which time she felt a pop in 
    	her ears and left the concert, daughter in tow.
    
    							Carla
    

    RE: Carla
    
    If this is true then I have to side with the woman and would actually
    suggest a larger damage award.  Can you imagine never being able to 
    listen to Metal again!?  If the Plantiffs' Lawyer could prove that
    the The Crue had control over their volume and knew what level it
    was at and didn't turn it down then they should be penalized.
    
    Jammin Jim (Who always said too loud isn't loud enough)
    

    
    
    	Chick, 40 year old Mom, whatever...
    
    	All it says in the magazine is
    
    	"Vicki Hohman of St. Petersburg, FL won a $30,000 settlement
    	in a case she filed against Motley Crue in 1985, in which she
    	claimed her hearing was permanently damaged as a result of
    	sitting in the front row at a concert, 10 feet from the 
    	speakers..."
    
    	10 feet does not 6th row make to me.  Yes, I feel she deserves
    	some sort of compensation for the loss of her hearing, but I
    	still think it's a farce.
    
    	Tigga~~~

    So if she hears better due to a faith healer or something, does she
    have to give the money  back. 

    Didn't this story come from one of those "RAG" mags?
    F. has the copy at home..  never believe everything you read..
    
    CJ

    

    	Whether it's true or not, I don't know.  But it does bring
    	up a good topic of discussion and it wouldn't surprise me
    	if it was true..
    
    	Tigga~~~

                
                Buck, I  have to dispute your quote about Rolling
                Stones playing at  150db+.    The  worlds loudest
                concert ever is Manowar  (believe  it  or not) at
                124db.  Before that, it  was  The Who at Charlton
                Athletic Football Ground in London on  May  31st,
                1976 with 76,000 watts at 120db.   Loudest  noise
                ever  created  was  from  a  48'  horn  at  210db
                (400,000watts) which is loud enough to bore holes
                through solid material.
                
                - Rob (from the Guinness Book of Records) -
                
                

    CJ, it is true.  The woman was on the television just this week.
    
    Chris D.

    
    Sorry Rob, why don't you get rid of that 1973 copy of the Guiness
    Book... and wake up!  ;^)
    
    Aerosmith used to roll a 125dbs off the front on the stage back in
    their heyday!  I saw the Rolling Stones thing on the 6 o Clock news...I
    really doubt is was a bunch of bull.  My old 100WT Marshall top would
    churn out 128dbs (clocked) at full tilt (one cab), so I know that
    higher sound pressure levels are obtainable than what you listed.
    Bands just don't play as loud these days as they used too. 

                
                Nah, it was  an '84 copy actually.  The SPL isn't
                measures 2 inches in front of the speaker anyway.
                My car stereo is 127db,  but  outside,  not  even
                close.  I'll see if I  can  dig  up a new copy of
                TGBOWR and see what it says.
                
                - Rob -
                
                I still say 150db+ is absurd though.
                

    
        Correct me if I'm wrong but sound decreases in intensity with 
    the square of the distance.  So the question becomes not "how
    many decibels was it?" but rather "At what distance was it at that 
    many decibels?"  Obviously there must be some distinction here.  My
    stereo has a decibel meter on it and it reads 100+ at times.  I've
    been to "softer" concerts that left my hearing impaired for days.
    I guess what I'm saying after all this rambling is that there has 
    to be a difference in the way they measure the output.  Maybe
    it's the wattage.  Anyways that's my 2 cents worth.
    
    Jammin Jim
    

                It's usually measured at xx db @ xx meters.
                
                The Who  was  measured  at  50 yards.  If Rolling
                Stones were that loud, it must have been measured
                at about 10 feet.    Loudest car stereo I know of
                (there may be louder) was measured at 154db.
                
                - Rob -
                

    re -1
    
    Right...its done/meter.  As in the case of the MC sueing, the band has
    to be in limites from row 1, so maybe the Stones were db'd right in
    front of the mains. 
    
    Iron Maiden was touring with a stereo 130,000 watt PA for their
    Powerslave tour, I bet that could push a few db's if it wanted to. 
    
    Also for those infomaniacs here, you need 2x the power to produce an
    increase of 3db.  So, a 70WT amp is not louder than a 50WT amp.  You'd
    need 100WTs to have it be louder, and then it would only be 3db louder. 

    

                actually, it is louder, just not noticable to the
                human ear...
                
                for example, i  have 640watts in my car at an spl
                of 127db.  to  achieve 130db, id need to increase
                wattage to 1280watts!!!
                
                

    Not on the subject of the base note, but I thought it worth wrapping up
    the discussion on sound levels. IMO the damage or otherwise caused at
    concernts is often due to the quality of the PA and of the goon behind
    the desk.
    
    For instance I saw Vow Wow at Reading a year or so back. It was one of
    their first tours of the UK so didin't have their own PA and were
    hiring systems in each toen they played. In Reading the PA wasn't that
    big but was it distorting, my hearing was topping
    out. The guy behind the desk couldn't mix a rice pudding and it turns
    out he's been mixing bands for YEARS and his hearing's gone, so all he
    does these days is wack it up. Sounds good to him!
    
    On the other hand, Motorhead had an infintiely larger PA and were VERY
    LOUD. But it was more like a huge hi-fi system.
    
    The moral of the tale? I saw Vow Wow on a Monday night, couldn't hear a
    thing on Tuesday and normal aural service didn't return until Thursday!
    I saw Motorhead on Wednesday and normal service returned on Friday.
    
    Now, back to Motley Crue.....
    
    Keef.

    Was that MC's new single I heard from a distance yesterday while
    playing hoop? Does anyone know if it has been released? If it was
    it sounded pretty awesome from where I was!!!!
    
    New tour soon-- 
    

    Wanna hear loud ?
    
    I made the mistake of firing my .357 without earplugs once (ONCE!).
    Yeow.  I couldn't here for a week.
    
    jc (who has no idea how db's it was, but it was louder than
    any concert I've ever been too...)
    
    

    Opppsss...  Thats "I couldn't HEAR for a week".
    
    ;^)

    
    	I shot a .357 King Cobra once, and it wasn't THAT loud.
    
    	Maybe u shouldn't have pointed it AT your ear.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    	Agagagaga... so THAT'S how he got to be so smart.. (?!?!?!)
    	(^;                                              
                
    	Tigga~~~

                A colt  Python .357 8" barrel is about 155db at o
                feet.  Just  a  useless  statistic  I  picked  up
                somewhere.
                
                - Rob who is going to bed soon cause he's been up
                all night ...
                
                

    
    	Segments from an interview with Vince Neil in the November
    	issue of Metal Edge.  Copied without permission.
    
   	G: How's the album coming along, Vince?
    	V: We're on the last two weeks of recording, on vocals and guitar
    	   stuff, then we start mixing.  It's great.  It's better than
    	   anything we've ever done.  There's such a wide variety
    	   of songs.  We have ballads - good rock ballads - and 
    	   kickin' stuff.  Bad Company-ish, Led Zeppelin-type stuff.
    	   Big vocals.  We don't even know what the first single's 
    	   gonna be 'cause all the songs are so good.
    
    	G: I've heard you've had some guest backup vocalists.
    	V: Yea, Steve Tyler and the Skid Row guys sang a bit.  Steve
    	   and Bryan Adams and Jack Blades ang on "Sticky Sweet," 
    	   the Skids on "Time for Change," Robin Zander and Rick
    	   Nielsen sang on "She Goes Down."
    
    	G: What are you tour plans?
    	V: We'll do Europe in September.  We're gonna start the American
           tour in October.
    
    
    	Tigga~~~
    	

    Hi,
      Does any one know when the new album "Dr. Feelgood" is going to be
      released???????????????
    
                    Cheers
                          SRi
    
               

    
    
    	It was supposed to have been out in July.  Since they're
    	supposed to start touring in September and they're supposedly
    	on their last two weeks of recording, my guess is that it
    	will be out towards the end of August.
    
    	Tigga~~~ (who's getting REAL impatient!)

    You could probably catch some of there new songs Sunday on pay-
    per-view USSR concert. MC will be on there.
    
    P.s. If anyone tapes this extravaganza I would sure like to see
    it sometime.   
    
    
    Thx
    

    Did the Crue do any of their new stuff on Sunday??
    
    I heard the Nasty Habbits were back.
    
    

                no new stuff, but the 'habbits' [sp?] were there,
                though it looks  like  the  one  closest  to  the
                camera has put on a bit of weight, though I still
                wouldn't  need a drink first  before  being  seen
                with her :').
                

    Between the Hour of 3 to 4 PM today- The first single from DR. FEELGOOD
    will be played on WAAF. Heard from the DJ that it was really good.
    
    Also- Most of you should know that Aerosmith's new single was released
    yesterday over the radio-- Love in an Elevator..
    
    Today between 12 and 1 pm the new STones single will be played....
    
    Hello Mr. Tyler----- "Going Dowwwwwwwn"
    

    
    
    	Psyche!!  But I doubt my walkman will even GET 
    	'AAF in this brick cell!  )8
    
    	Grrrr....  (8
    
    

    
    	Well, they played it ... "Dr. Feelgood".  The song's pretty
    	good, although it seems to sound too similar to "Wild Side".
    	Alot of "chorus repetition", ya know?
    
    	Of course, Mick hasn't been practicing since the last al-
    	bum ... he does quite the tremolo/slide solo on this one.
    	A little fingering, but not enough.
        
    	8^(
    
    	I REALLY wish they'd go back to their "Shout ..." days, or
    	at least add an edge to the stuff they're doing now.  They're
    	capable of SO MUCH more.
    
    							GTI
    	

    
    
    	...I think it's going to be one of those "has to grow on
    	you" type songs.
    
    	I'm pretty happy with it but like I said in Mutterings...
    	I'm biased! (8
    
    	RE: Shawn
    
    	You analyze too much.  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    	RE: Tigg
    
    		Well, after I hear it a few more times I might be
    		able to rip apart Nikki's bass playing too.
    
    		8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    The new video from the Crue will be world premiered on Friday nite
    on the Headbangers Ball on MTV. At least that's what I heard.
    
    

    
    
    	....don't you mean Saturday night??
    
    	(8
    	Ms. Crued!  
    
    	

    	For those interested,
    
    Dr. Feelgood well be in the stores Sept. 6.
    
    		California Kid
    
    

    Heard Dr. Feelgood twice now.  The first time I thought it was
    Posion the second time I thought it sounded like a rip off of
    Ratt's Way Cool Jr.  IMO the song stinks.
    
    Renee
    
    P.S. Tigga does this mean you won't talk to me anymore?? 8^)

    
    
    	RE: P.S. Tigga does this mean you won't talk to me anymore??
    
    
    	Hmph!!!  Ppffthh on you Ms. Quebec!!! (^;
    
    	...actually I've only heard it once so far and that was 
    	standing by the windows in my building so it was somewhat
    	inaudible, but I have to disagree with Vince that it's
    	going to be the "best ever!"
    	
    	Now where's that list of jargon that went around?!?!?
    
    	Tigga~~

    I heard the new song on 'AAF too, and I thought it blew.  It was not
    like "Wild Side".  Wild Side had feeling, and balls.  This was just 
    whimpy and boring.
    
    I certainly hope the rest of the album makes up for the single, or they
    are in trouble!
    
    Steve

    		I give the Crue credit for trying something different.
    There not doing like other bands,same thing over and over.Its boring
    doing the same thing over and over,leave that behind and get on
    with the new.Right On!!

                              Surfs Up.

    
    	Well...
    I think I'll stand apart from the crowd here (with Tigg!) and
    say that I think the song kicks ass. It has a raunchy feel to it,
    I like the guitar work by Mick in it (say what you want) and to
    me it sounds totally 'Motley Crue.' I'm encouraged by it, because
    I like the single, and the released single from any album is usually
    not my fave cut on the album.
    
    	I think it sounds just a BIT heavier than ANY Poison tune, and
    I didn't hear Ratt there, but that's me...
    
    	C'mon Shawn... are we gonna start the 'MickCan'tPlay' stuff again?
    
    /Motorbreath
    

    
    
    	Missed the video on the HBBall Saturday night because I
    	forgot to set my VCR before heading out to Chet's (Buck-
    	you guys were great!), but I did manage catch it yesterday.
    
    	Looks like their "image" is going back to "Shout..." days
    	with all the flames and all.
    
    	Vince is looking YUMMMYYYYY... as is Tommy!  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    I saw the vid... kinda reminiscent of Scarface, huh?
    
    Liked the fire stuff!
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    Oh No !!
                                                     
    Not Mick Marrs and scales !!!! agagagagagagagaga!

    	Re: .17
    
    	I don't think that the new tune is anything new or exciting at all. 
    I think they were running out of stuff to do, and got thrown into
    making this album, which, if the whole thing is like Dr. Fallasleep, 
    it's going to be really bad.  

    re.122 
    do you like anything Motley Crue has done, or are you just a basher?
    
    /Motorbreath...everyone's got their own completely worthless opinion
    ;^)

    
    	I've only heard the song once, and thus my opinion was as
    	a one-time listen.
    
    	Maybe after hearing and/or taping the song I can formulate
    	a better opinion than the first.
    
    							GTI
    

    I probably won't get to hear it unless I buy the album (CD)...SO, let
    me know when the album (CD) get released !
    
    jc

    
    	Supposed to be September 6 from what I'm hearing lately.
    	
    	Tigga~~~~ (who'll be standing in line!!)

    Yo Coopster !
    
    We gotta cover the new tune ... you got the lead too.  Scary likes
    'dis new and improved Motley.
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    	RE: Scary
    
    		So Coop does the wimpy leads and u do the real ones?
    
    		8^)
    
    							Shawn L.
    

    Hey Shawn, kiss my what ??
    
    ;^)

    
    
         Heard the new Crue.  Well kind of, I was at the Gym on the rowing
    
    machine when it came on the radio.  Being a disciple of the school that
    
    heavier is better, I am going to toss my lot in with those that like the
    
    song.  I will be able to make a better decision once I hear it again.
    
    Jim

    re: .123
    
    I liked everything that the Crue has done until now, so I'm not just
    saying that I don't like them, I loved all their previous stuff.  I was
    *really* disappointed to hear the new single, because it just doesn't
    have that Crue kick.
    
    Steve

    RE: Shawn ...
    
    Coop has his share of hit lix like I do ... it just seems like Mick's
    style suits his style better.
    
    
    				Scary

    
    >> it just seems like Mick's style suits his style better.               
      
    What, like sh!t ??  8^) x 7483794739 agagaga!

    No, I think he means that I don't "Pull a Gilbert" between every other
    chord etc..etc..  Plus I really have no interest in going fast.  I like
    my guitar like I like my women.  Slow, melodic, and sexual.
    
    jc

    
    I like mine like I like my women too ...
                                     
    Fast, cool and full of tricks 8^)

    Typical.  Why fast ?  Why cool ?  Trix I can dig... 
    
    But a cold hurry up I can do without.  Maybe it's my age ...
    
    ;^)

    When I say fast I mean long as well #^> .

    Re: .130
    
    That song is the weakest song out of everything they've ever done.  The
    die-hard Crue fans have to agree.

    
    
         Re:137,136 etc.
    
         Kind of a related quote by David Coverdale,
    
        "If it's in long and if it's in hard, then it's inDecent."
    
         Cheers,
         Jim
     

    I just saw the video for this new tune last night.  I guess the songs
    ok, I see what you all mean about that solo.  It fits ok with the song,
    but requires no great technical expertise to play.  Heck, *I* might
    even be able to play it... 8^)  ...without any effects!
    
    I guess what I'm saying is that I didn't care for the song or the solo
    that much.
    
    gh

    
    	RE: Greg
    
    		In all fairness to Mick, he REALLY shouldn't be
    		compared to Paul Gilbert.
    
    		[Actually, that should be "in all fairness to
    		Paul Gilbert, he really shouldn't be compared
    		to Mick.]
    
    		8^)
    							GTI
    

    MC play Wembley Arena on November 1st.  Tickets are 13.50 seated,
    13.50 standing or 12.50 seated (ie Naff ones at the back!).
    
    They've got SKid MArk and someone else (Tony?) supporting.
    
    Flip

    
    
    	Skid Row AGAIN????  ...are they supporting every band to
    	go out on tour or what??
    
    	Tigga~~~

    they are under the same Manager  Skid Ralph, Crotley Mew, and
    Jon BL*w me.
    
    butchaka

    re: .141  Comparing Mick and Paul
    
    I agree...but it weren't my comparison, I was responding to the
    previous conversation.  See in .134 where Coop actually starts that
    line of comparison.
    
    Gh

    
    
    	If Skid Row opens for the Crue here in the States, I'm gonna
    	be a mighty disappointed Crueton.  )8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    And you should be Tigga....IMO Skid Row stinks!!!
    
    Rae

    
    	Skid Row's "Rattlesnake Shake" is pretty lame, IMO ...
    	I don't know about MC's song.
    
    							GTI
    

    Skid Mark's album cranks...but haven't heard one good review of
    their live performance.
    
    /Motorbreath...who would you like to see open for the Crue!??!
    Who, btw, put on one of the best shows I've seen.

    
    	re: /breath
    
    	(No offense to the Crue fanatics)  But when I saw them a couple
    	of years ago at the Centrum I thought they were horrible!!
    	Whitesnake who opened for them was a lot better.
    
    	And for Skid Row...I *hated* them when they first came out
    	and when I saw them in March opening for Bon Jovi they were
    	terrible...the second time (at GW this time)  they were better.
    	But again they sounded terrible in Moscow....
    
    
    
    
                              

    
    
    	RE: /prc
    
    	...will power!!  ...that's it.  You're doin' fine... keep
    	going.  Hold back...  (8
    
    	RE: JJ
    
    	... I remember you telling me that.  They were really great
    	in Lakeland (did I say Tampa before?  Oops... wrong concert!)
    	It'll go down in history when I found out that some never-heard
    	-of-before band called Guns 'n' Roses were opening...
    
    	Guns who??
    
    	Tigga~~
    

    
    	JJ, that's funny, I thought Spinal Tap was on stage during
    the Whitesnake show. Just kidding. 
    
    	Anyway, back to my question... who would be a good band to open
    for Motley Crue on this tour??
    I'd personally like to see an opening band that would make all the
    little kiddies run screaming for the exits... someone like 
    Megadeth or Testament, or Danzig... YEAH, DANZIG...that would be
    awesome.
    	They'll probably have a band like Warrant open up... la la la
    
    /Motorbreath... P** like a man

    
    They'll probably have someone like Great White.

    
    	Well, they'd want someone fairly heavy ... but someone who
    	wouldn't upstage 'em.
    
    	How about ...
    
    
    	8^)
    
    
    	... Iron Maiden?
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	RE: GTI	......I think you're asking for trouble. (8
    
    	RE: Great White.  ...nah. they're already headlining themselves.
    
    	Warrant would be cool....I could drool over Jerry Dixon the
    	entire time they're on stage. (Who cares what they sing?)
    	(8
    
    	I'd like some new band - Tora Tora, Bang Tango maybe...
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    Badlands or Blue Murder.
    
    jab

    
    
    	Oooh... blue murder would be cool.  Then I could drool over
    	Sykes.  Heh heh heh!!  think he'd be upset if I threw a bucket
    	of water over him just to see him like he is in the Jellyroll
    	video???  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~ (who is very man-hungry right now...)  (^;
    

    
    
    	Tigg .. heheehhehe  agagagagagaga!
    
    	Pete...still holdin' on??  :-)
    

    RE: Rattlesnake Shake
    
    There is an old blues number by that name that some old rockers have
    covered in the past.  I remember Joe Perry used to play that YEARS ago
    in like high school bands...and once a friend (who knew Joe)  and I
    went to see the first incarnation of the JPP at the Paradise, he yelled
    up "Hey Joe, why doncha play Rattlesnake Shake?"  In which Joe quickly
    replied "Hey man, you can do that one in the bathroom!"  ;^) 

    Fleetwood Mac did "Rattlesnake Shake" waaaaaayyyy back in the late
    60's when they were a blues band.
    
    	joe.

    
           The ultimate opening band for the crue. how about SLAYER.
        If that doesn't clear the arena, I don't know what will. After
        seeing slayer perform, the crue would probably give up and go
        home..
    
                  Doug..

    
    	I've heard "Dr. Feelgood" a few times since I heard it
    	the first time ... and I've gotta change my mind about
    	Mick's solo.  It's alot better than I'd originally thought
    	and the song's still just OK.
    
    							GTI
    

	RE: Doug
        
    >>    The ultimate opening band for the crue. how about SLAYER.
    >>    If that doesn't clear the arena, I don't know what will. After
    >>    seeing slayer perform, the crue would probably give up and go
    >>    home..
      
    	...wow.  Like I think this was said somewhere before but like,
    	with a different band...like whoaa...
    
	Tigga~~ (8
    

    re:"crue would probably give up and go home"
    
    I figured my question would result in some stupid replies.
    I didn't ask "who would you rather see than the Crue"
    
    /Motorbreath...

    
    
    	This is sort of a branch of Philippa's reply in the Jovi note...
    
    	I heard on MTV this past weekend that the Crue have split from
    	longtime manage Doc McGee.  So MTV says, the Crue weren't too
    	pleased that Bon Jovi got higher billing and more stage effects
    	than the Crue.              
                                    
    	Backstage in Moscow, Tommy threw a punch at McGee.  For awhile
    	there were no confirmed reports of exactly what happened. Later
    	on, McGee released a statement saying that the two had split.
    
    	He says he feels the Crue is the best heavy metal band and
    	says that seven years together is a long time and it seems as
    	though a change is in order. 
                                     
    	Rumors rumors..gossip gossip!
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    
      saw the Crue on Mtv this weekend, it was their new released
    video.....forgot the name of the song ....B*lls IHWTH....Anyway
    it seems like they have changed their Image.  Now they are wearing
    shirts and blue jeans.
    
    Sax
    

    
    Picked up the new CD and theatre of pain.
    
    Haven't listened to the new one yet but TOP kicks !
    
    -Tony

    
    
    > Is he pulling my leg or no ?
    
    
      I don't know my eyes are closed...... agagagagagagagagagag
    
    
    Sax     = :')
    
    
    
    

    .176
    
    I agree i think the old crew's stuff is better. I think their best
    album is Shout At The Devil!!!!
    There new album is pritty good.
    Have motley crue only got one video out????
    
    			Cheers
    				SRi
    

I've heard on the radio the special evening about the new album and one of the 
song they played was of course "Dr Feelgoog". At the begining of the song, am I
dreaming or you can hear the same "Doctor ??, please doctor ..." voice that 
you hear at the begining of "Operation Mindcrime" ?

Maybe it was just a trick from the radio guys.


Didier

    re Kath
    
    Ummmmmm, who is Jeffrey Lee and who is Mr Roger?!?!?!
    
    If you're referring to *Tommy* Lee then his last name is Bass -
    his father was in one of the forces (no one famous) and his mother
    was some Greek floozy he picked up in Athens.
    
    Flip

    
    I heard the album last night and it has to be the worst MC output
    to date!!!!
    
    I especially dislike that song Same 'Ol Situation - Vince has got
    his pathetic sqeaky voice back again.
    
    DYHIW singers deliberately overpronounce the lyrics!!!
    
    	Same ol' situationnnnnnnna
    
    
    Flip 

    
    	You beat me to it, Shawn.  I picked it up last night (on sale
    	at Strawberries for those interested).
    
    	I thought that TnT is a ripoff of Queensryche sinc it's the
    	same basic "Paging Dr. ..." bit.  Why they bothered to list
    	it on the tape, I'll never know.
    
    	Slice of Your Pie sounds ALOT like Aerosmith.  I even figured
    	that was the song that Tyler sang a little on.
    
	Rattlesnake Shake sounds alot like a song off GGG but I can't
    	think of which one yet.  
    
    	I agree with Shawn about Kickstart My Heart...It really pumps!
    	I haven't listened to the other side yet but so far - it's
    	merely ok.
                  
    	Without You is alright but I don't think it's as good as
    	Home Sweet Home.  (Didn't Vince or someone in the band say that
    	one of the ballad's was going to put HSH to shame??)
    
    	Crueton!

    
>>    I especially dislike that song Same 'Ol Situation - Vince has got
>>    his pathetic sqeaky voice back again.
  
    	As opposed to what?  I thought his voice was squeaky on Too
    	Fast...  Make that screeching.  Do you prefer old Crue or new
    	Crue or no Crue at all??
    
                  
    	Tigga~~~ 
                                         

    
    Shout at the Devil
    TOP
    Too fast for Love
    GGG
    Dr Feelgood
    
    Have and always will be a Crue fan.  I prefer the old Crue, but
    I didn't like his vocals on TFFL.  I think he has them back again
    on this new album.
    
    Flip

    
    	I thought "SOS" sounded too much like Poison.
    
    	This album has too many ballads ... 3 out of 10 songs.  1
    	or 2 would've been nice.
    
    	"Don't Go Away Mad (Just Go Away)" has my vote for best
    	title in awhile, though.
    
    	Yeah - "TnT" did remind me of QR ... but at least they used
    	a different doctor.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    Yes, Don't go away mad... is a great title and I even like that
    tune.
    

    
    What do people think of the packaging of the album?  I'm not impressed
    with the album cover and what is the point of the inner sleeve -
    it's almost a rip off of Alice Cooper's Schools Out design.
    
    Flip

    
    
    	I was kind of disappointed with the album cover, too.  Sort
    	of blah - doesn't really stand out as one of their better
    	covers that's for sure.
    
    	At least they have lyrics!!  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

RE: .182 (Flip)

Well, since I'm NOT a Crue fan, and I know nothing about them..I was just
repeating what I heard.....obviously he was out in left field about everything.


/kath

    I was listening to "Dr Feelgood" again on the radio last night and was
    thinking that even if Mick isn't such a technical player, they always
    seem to get him an awesome guitar sound on record.
    
    The tone he gets during the intro on that tune is among the best I've
    heard lately (and there are a lotta people getting great guitar sounds
    these days).
    
    Greg

    I was forced to watch some of Dr. Keelgood on eMpTy-V last night and I
    think it stinks. I pray it doesn't get a lot of air-time. I also hope
    the rest of the album is better, seems that they've lost the edge.
    
    the devil dog who hopes that the sky turns green, and blue lizards take
    over the nearest Tasty Freeze.                   

    
    
    GTI,
    	You said you had Too Fast For Love is that on cd....?
    	Is it a good album?
    	These are my best albums from the crue :-
        
                                    
    	Shout At The Devil          |
    	Theatre Of Pain             |
    	Girls, Girls, Girls         |Too Fast For Love (Need On Cd)
    	Dr.Feelgood                 |
                 
    
                        Cheers
    
    			SRi                   
    

>>    think it stinks. I pray it doesn't get a lot of air-time. I also hope
 
    

    	Well, Dawg, if you have MTV be prepared to switch channels.
   	Even *I* (Crue fan that I am) am having a hard time dealing
    	with the air-play it's getting.  Over and over and over and
    	over....
    
    	tigga~~~ 
                  

    
    	Oh yeah - the end of "Another Slice of Your Pie" sounds
    	just like "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" by The Beatles.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    The line 'Skydive naked from an aeroplan' reminds me of an interview
    with Tommy Lee, back when Shout at the Devil had just been released.
    He said that he always "has to do things to the extreme" (hence him
    being called a Wild Man) and that he had to "try everything, like
    parachuting, but I'd probably skydive naked!"
    
    ;^)
    
    Flip

    Yo Greg. Funny that you mentioned Mick's killer guit sound a few
    notes back. I think it's brutal!!! I love the sound he has, that's
    why I can't understand why people don't think Dr. Feelgood has a
    heavy sound, I think it cranks!
    
    /Motorbreath

    Needless to say, I too like Micks sound.
    
    jc

    I don't think there's anything really special about Mick's tone...
    tune your guitar down to D, play through a marshall and a parametric
    eq and you have it!

    Agreed.  Real straight ahead.  I guess thats what I like about it.
    Same with his style...  Real straight ahead with one slight deviation:
    He tunes down.  Thats weird.
    
    jc

    re.buck
    
    Yeah yeah yeah... whatever you said Buck! 
    
    /Motorbreath...expected the reply, but doesn't understand most of
    Buck's technical replies (because I have no idea on the stuff!)

    re.Motorbreath
    
    Well, if you ever make it to one of our gigs, I'll give you a
    personalized technical presentation of what I'm talking about in
    here!  :^)

    
    Yo,
    	I picked up the Noo Croo, and so far, I think:
    
    IT KICKS ASS!!!
    
    I'm on Kickstart my Heart, and it cranks!
    
    Face it kids, like VH, like Motley Crue, the old stuff is gone,
    but I think this album has some good music on it!!!
    
    /Motorbreath...picked up Atomic Playboys too

    
    	I heard the intro to "Dr. ..." again, and they DO say
    	"Doctor Blair, Doctor Blair".
    
    	I guess it must be a popular recording to use.
    
    							GTI
    

    Good boy curly you did it........ you kept her up all night!
    

    I've heard the "Dr. Blair, Dr. J Hamilton" etc... On SEVERAL movies
    and other records.  I'm sure someone canned that little ditty and
    different folks use it...
    
    jc

    re: Micks guitar sound
    
    I'd agree with the guitar -> Marshall for most of the song, but I
    thought the intro sounded a little different.
    
    Isn't there some sort of something extra going on in that intro.  It
    seemed to have some really high overdub or something, maybe real heavy
    exciter or part of the signal delayed a bit with the highs boosted
    through the roof.
    
    Whatever, you're right.  It's a basic kind of sound, but for some
    reason it just seems a little different the most of what I'm hearing. 
    Maybe I'm going deaf or something.  
    
    gh

Well, no one else seems to have noticed what I thought was obvious. Doesn't 
anyone else think that "Dr. Feelgood" sounds like "Welcome to the Jungle - 
Part 2"????

First, the most noticeable thing to me was the production/mix - its *very* 
similar to the GnR debut. Guitars are Les Pauls thru Marshalls, the way the 
ride cymbals cut through the mix - very familiar! Next was the song itself - 
like just after the solo, where they bring down the volume and Mick does his 
little sound effect stuff with a slide - just like in 'WTTJ' where Axl sings 
"You know where you are..."

Am I the only one who thinks so?

cat

    re.215
    ha ha ha!!!

    
    
    	I listened to it last night on the way home from work and I
    	admit there are certain parts that could sound like ...Jungle
    	but it doesn't sound all that much like it.
    
    	Then again, I'm not a technical person, so I don't pick up on
    	the drum beats and the guitar solos...I just listen to it as
    	a whole.
    
    	Tigga~~

    
    Tickets have just gone on sale (today!) for 2 November at Wembley
    arena.
    
    BTW it now looks unlikely that Skid Row will be supporting the band
    on any of their tours!!!  (I am sooo upset, sob sob, Hahahaha!).
    This is because SR are managed by Doc McGhee and Motley are managed
    by Doug Thaler...and we all know what happened there don't we!!!
    
    They may be replaced by either the Quireboys or Enuff Z'nuff.
    
    Flip

    
    Do ya know where the song title 'Kickstart my heart' comes from?
    
    It's from when Nikki Sixx actually died for a coupla minutes from
    OD of drugs and the paramedics injected adrenalin into his heart
    - which kinda kicked him back to life.
    
    Flip

                It must  have  been  during  those 2 minutes that
                Crue found a  new  Sixx  look  alike bass player,
                then after they found  he had lived, the lawsuits
                began...
                
                :')
                
                

    
    
    		Just for the record,Dr.Feelgood got it for #1 album
    this week. Not bad for a few California rockers doing what they
    like doing best.
    
    
    			The Bay Series
    
    

    I just bought the album about two weeks ago.  Haven't really given it a
    chance. So, I brought it to work today.  Has anyone else out there
    bought this tape?  I think the albums ok.  I like "Sticky Sweet" and of
    course "Dr. Feelgood" but, "She goes down" is lame, lame, lame, I
    pretty much find a lot of the album B-O-R-I-N-G.  And that song "Don't
    go away mad (Just go away)" - I wish that song would.  And, is it my
    imagination, or do I hear horns In "Rattlesnake shake".  Wonder what
    Tommy's gonna do this year?

    
    	I bought it (the CD, of course!!  8^)) the day it came out,
    	and basically:
    
    	"Kickstart My Heart" kicks *ss!!
    	"Don't Go Away Mad" is OK ... the title's better than the
    		song itself.
    	"Sticky Sweet" is OK too.
    	"She Goes Down" is pretty lame.
    
    							GTI
    

    I like the whole album.  It's all kick a$$.
    
    jc

    I *personally* think Crue's first album was the best and they have
    been sinking steadily ever since.  This newest attempt should be
    titled ...."Intern Feelfair ...", IMO, ya know ...
    
    
    
    
    				Scary

    Gotta kinda agree with Scary.  The first was the gnads... But Feelgood
    is the best effort since, IMHO... (with TOP a close second...)
    
    jc

    Better than SHOUT AT THE DEVIL!!!???  Dr. Feelgood??
    
    I don't think so... IMO of course.

    Well i think shout at the devil and too fast for love are their best
    albums...!!!
    
    
    					Sri
    

    I remember F dot !!! ha ha ha
    
    Too Fast for Love is a classic!!!!!!
    Shout at the Devil is also an EXCELLENT album, I listened
    to that album every day for nearly a year.
    
    THAT was the Motley Crue I worship, NOT anything since, although
    I like Dr. Feelgood better than anything else they've done since.
    
    /Motorbreath
    

    I recently bought a Motley Crue LP at a record fair in Basingstoke.
    Its called Hate Into Fire and is a live LP of the Crue playing
    somewhere in America in 84'.It has 9 songs on it and an interview.
    It is released on the Devils Records label.  Does anyone know about
    it? Is it rare? If it is rare how much is it worth?
    
                             NICK


                

    
    
    	I've never heard of it...what are the chances of you sending
    	me one (I'm in the U.S.)
    
    	PLEEEEASSEEEEEEEEE!!!!
    
    	Tigga~~~

    Hi there,
    
     Re-2,
           The copy of 'Hate Into Fire' could be worth up to 30 pounds, as
    it is a very limited release. I happen to have the Picture Disc which
    i picked up a couple of years ago at a record fair in Reading. On the
    whole picture discs tend to sell for more. The same day i picked up
    a copy of a Kiss album called 'Kiss This Live' in picture disc, only
    released as 500 copies to the Italian Fan Club. The album has a crude
    picture on the back (i didn't buy it cos of that honest).
    
           I guess if you can find the right Fan you could sell it for more
    than this, the picture disc cost me 15 pounds two years ago. I also 
    have a picture discs limited release called 'Helter Skelter' which
    is a compilation of 'Shout At The Devil' and 'Too Fast For Love' and 
    features the classic 'Live Wire'.
    
           Hope this covers what you inquired about.
    
     Prince Of The Dawn.

    
    Here in the States I picked up a picture disc of the Crue about
    five years ago and it has Helter Skelter on it along with two other
    songs, I can't remember 'cuz it's been along time since I took a
    look at it, still have it though.  It also had a poster in it about
    6 feet tall and three feet wide of them, still have that too.  Anyone
    else have this?  I picked it up along with a picture disc from Slayer
    called Live Dead (i've never played it 'cuz I don't care for them,
    but the disc is cool).
    
    Mr. Ed
    

                re: .235
                
                I've seen that Kiss picture disk!!  Too funny!!
                
                (Picture fits the title!)
                
                

    
    
    	MTV's HBB premiered "Kickstart My Heart" this past weekend.
    	Video is alright, but it's my favorite song on Dr. Feelgood.
    	
    	(Still think it's just so-so)
    
    	tigga~~~~
    	
    

    That song isn't the ballad I heard on the radio the other night is it?
    I hope not.  I didn't like it.
    
    All I Need should have been released when GGG was out, because *that*
    was a really cool song.

    
    	RE: Steve
    
    		Ahhh, no ... "Kickstart ..." is one of the most kick-
    		*ss song they've ever written.  I highly recommend list-
    		ening to it.
    
    							GTI
    

    Who out there thinks the starting guitar lick of "Kickstart" sounds a 
    LOT like the intro to "Bad Motor Scooter" by Montrose ?  
    
    $ set mick/rip_off <return>
    
    
    
    				
             			Scary

    
    Matthew Trippe, the guy who claimed he was Nikki Sixx, has had the
    court date for his claim against Crue's management postponed until next
    April - the excessive evidence is being assessed.
    
    Flip

    
    
    	What???  Wanna fill me in on that story??...Who's claiming to
    be Nikki...and more importantly...WHY?!!??
    
    BK
    

    
    MAtthew Trippe claims that he was Nikki Sixx during the period between
    Shout at the Devil and Theatre of Pain.  He has substantial
    photographic evidence, etc.  He says that the original (and now
    present) Nikki (aka Frank Ferrano) was in a car crash and was severely
    injured, but becasue Motley were just beginning to break through they
    just replaced him with a lookalike.  Now Matthew Trippe is trying to
    get his hands on some of the royalties...he says HE wrote the songs for
    TOP.
    
    Flip

    
    
    	I remember seeing on MTV (?) that Trippe's next door 
    	neighbor was saying he didn't have all his lights on in the
    	attic and would actually stand up in defense of the Crue....
    
    	Tigga~~~

    re:244
    I can almost-barely-notreally-alittle believe the record company
    getting a lookalike to replace Nikki for photographs etc, but
    1) they were TOTALLY broken through with Shout at the Devil already
    2) I VERY HIGHLY doubt the record co. would try to cover up Nikki's
    	car crash, especially if it was severe (besides, the Crue have
    TONS of friends in the HM/ROCK biz, it would have leaked)
    3) Nikki Sixx is about 95% of Motley Crue. He writes almost all
    of their material, there's NO WAY some geek with a poof-hair-do
    from Florida is going to just step in and take over his writing
    chores for the band.
    4) I don't believe that the company would risk millions allowing 
    	this guy to not only pose as Nikki, but to also write music
    for the band.
    5) I don't believe the car crash story either.
    
    /Motorbreath...next he'll be saying that him and David Letterman are
    married.

    
    Yes, I agree with all your arguments - I too, do not believe Trippe's
    story, but he has some very good photographs to compare "Nikki" over
    the two periods....there *are* differences.  The Crue are always saying
    how they do not like the songs on TOP: these are the one's that Tippe
    is supposed to have written.
    
    As yuou said Moto' they had broken through with SATD, so I wouldn't put
    it past them to cover up the accident.
    
    If I can find the press cuttings, I will put all the evidence in here
    for you to read.
    
    Flip

    re.247
    nah...it's just too far-fetched.
    Another pinhead looney after a celeb's cash.
    
    Yeah, they don't like TOP because they got ridiculed for changing
    their direction to total glamsters, shucking their skanky image.
    
    It's interesting though. yeah, post that stuff.
    
    /Motorbreath

    Ya have to agree on two things though:
    
    1) Nikki has a very clonable look (I know half a dozen look alikes!)
    
    2) ANYONE can play his bass parts!
    
    so...

    This is all a bad rumor.They couldn't use someone to replace Nikki,not
    even on a temp basis.Especially in L.A.,California,where the real
    Motley Crue rockers live. 
    
    			  Candy's dandy,but Liquor quicker!!
    

    Motley Crue's show at the Centrum saturday night RIPPED!!!
    
    /Motorbreath...blew off Warrant's act

    
    
    	Gotta agree with Mike on this one!  They blew Warrant off
    	the face of the earth!!!
    
    	They started the show off with Kickstart My Heart and 
    	followed it up with AWESOME songs like Shout at the Devil,
    	Red Hot, Livewire, GGG, Smokin' in the Boys Room, Slice
    	of Your Pie, Wild Side, Looks That Kill,....umm...what
    	am I forgetting??
    
    	The encore was Home Sweet Home and Dr. Feelgood...AWESOME
    	AWESOME AWESOME!!!!
    
    	Tigga~~~ wishing she could've gone to both!
    

    re Tig
    
    It's not too difficult to blow Warrant off the face of the earth!
    
    Did Tommy Lee drop his kit??!?!?!  ;^)
    
    Flip

    
    
    
    
    	That was a GREAT show!! I've been with'em since day 1.. have'nt
    	missed a show.. actually this is the 1st time I did'nt see them      
        twice within a week.. sniff sniff... I was pumped when they started
    	playin alot of old stuff... 2nd song. RED HOT.. Tommy and the
    	double bass.. gotta love it! 
    
    	Warrent surprised me but the CRUE still blew'em off the stage...
    	(ya gotta love Jami's shirt though!)
    
    	

    No, I meant I blew off Warrant's show... not that MC did.
    
    	Yeah, the show was INTENSE, definitely a very professional
    act, every song cranked, and the only ballad they did (Thank G.)
    was Home Sweet Home. Kim, did you miss the encore with 
    Jailhouse Rock??
    	Vince's voice sounded MUCH better than when I saw Crue with
    Whitesnake.
    	The songs off Dr. Feelgood come off MUCH better live than
    off the record, that's for sure!
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    	I agree Moto...I saw them with Whitesnake a couple years back
    	and wasn't very impressed.
    
    	But I had a fantastic time Friday!!  
    
    	And yes Flip Tommy mooned the crowd!!  =)
    
    

    Are those two chicks touring with them?
    
    8-)
    
    jab (Who gets to see the CRUE in January)

    
    
    	They're always with them...they're the Nasty Habbits...
    	

    
    I went to both Fri and Sat's show and would have to say that Tommy's
    moon was much better Friday night!!  Because moto's hand was in my way
    Sat. night.  re-55 Yah, I missed Jailhouse Rock SaT.  But, not on
    Friday!!  The show was F*CKIN AWESOME!!!  Tommy's drum solo RULED!! 
    Can't wait to see what he's gonna do next time around.  As for Warrant,
    I made sure I came in right before the Crue came on so I wouldn't have
    to see Jani's pathetic puppy eyes or anything else !! - Kim

    
    	Yeah, the Nasty Habits are ex-f***ing-squisite!!!!!!!!
    
    I'd give BOTH little fingers... at the bottom joint too!!!
    The Dr. Feelgood nurse outfits (white lace bras, panties and
    garters, tiny skirts, and smocks) pretty much killed me!!!
    
    /Motorbreath...is it possible to dislocate your neck?? That's what
    mine feels like plus Motley Crue elbow disorder.

    
    
    HAHAHAH - Yah, couldn't help but notice your eyes BULGING out of you
    head and the fact that you were standing on your tip toes the whole
    time!!! - Kim

    re Nasty Habits
    
    I'm surprised Donna hasn't broken her back...the way she THRUSTS her
    t*ts forward!
    
    Unfortunately, I never got to see Tommy Lee's moon because some IDIOT
    had unconveniently placed a PA stack in my way!!!  Waaaaaaaa!
    
    Flip

    Donna's the missus.  8^) *pant*
    
    The show at the Centrum actually had pyrotechnics!!! I was pumped.
    
    I loved Tommy's solo, just wanted more of him soloing instead of
    playing along to different songs, which was a great idea, btw.
    
    Very prof. show/Motorbreath

    
    
    	Flip hon...you missed a fantastic moon.  (8  Rroowrr!!!
    	(8 (8
    
    	Tigga~~~~

    
    During their show at the Birmingham NEC someone threw a bottle at Vince
    which hit him in the face...in a tantrum he threw his mikle stand into
    the audiance and stomped off stage!!!!!
    
    This is the same guy that, back in 1984 when they opened the Donington
    festival, was saying how much they would enjoy having things thrown at
    them...and Nikki Sixx lobbed his bass into the crowd!
    
    What a wimp!
    
    Ha
    
    Flip......who's had far too many beers today!

    re.265
    yeah, what a wimp! I've been hit by a full bottle of beer in the
    face, and it had the same effect on me (rage), it f***ing HURT!!!
    
    Vince isn't wasted anymore..that makes a difference.
    
    /Motorbreath...

    
    
    	I was incredibly jealous of that doofus of a man who got
    	pulled up onto the stage!  Nikki gave him the trashed
    	guitar!  That should've been MEEEEEE!!!!  Waahh!!  (8
    
    	Anyone see the folks in the front row pull Mick (what a
    	poor choice!) into the crowd?  hee hee...
    
    	Tigga~~~ who says Nikki looks good dressed in sweat.  (^;

                
                I'm surprised  reviews have been this good.  I've
                seen them 4  or  5 times over the years, starting
                back  when they backed  up  Ozzy  at  the  Boston
                Garden.    Every  time, they've  s___ed.    Vince
                sounded  like $#1^, Nikki was screwing  up,  Mick
                couldn't play to save his life, etc.    The  only
                one  who  even  sounded somewhat professional was
                Tommy.   If  they  make  it  back to the Centrum,
                maybe I will  go  check  them  out this tour.  Oh
                well.
                
                Cheers, Rob
                

    
    Did you all manage to understand what Vince was saying - I only knew
    what song it was when they reached the chorus!
    
    grunt grunt grunt grunt grunt RED HOT!
    
    FLip

    
    	Fight for the black shark, see what evil brings,
    	can't you see we're out for blood.
    	Love from a shotgun, license to kill,
    	can't you see we're out for blood?
    
    	The kids scream and fight through the night,
    
    	[etc.]
    
    	Nope, can't understand a word.  8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    I had a great time at the show saturday night.....I'm ashamed to say,
    that it was my first Crue concert...but it won't be my last....since
    i've never seen them before, i can't comment on their playing or vocal
    abilities etc...but the show was reall well done, very pro.......i
    LOVED the talking face at the beginning, the pyrotechnics, Tommy Lee's
    flying kit and yes, even the girls...they did a great
    job.........funny thing was that when my girlfriend and i went back to
    the hotel..(Marriot) where we were staying (hey why not, do it up big
    time whenever you can!).....all the kids who had the place staked out
    started chasing us through the halls cause they thought we were the
    Crue Girls......it was hysterical and i'm not making this up.......they 
    followed us upstairs...called and knocked on our door all night. they were
    singing "girls girls girls" outside the door....hotel security was around 
    but they came back and called up periodically........what a scream!...all 
    in all a GREAT evening!....both the show and the ego bonus points we got!!
     ....can't wait to see them again!............/karen
    p.s. Warrant and the Crue really shouldn't have been together on the
    same stage.IMHO..................

    
    	Ahhhhh.... Karen NOW I've figured out who you are!!!
    I saw you and your friend walking out of the Centrum Sat. night...
    I forget her name, but you work in Hudson, and you worked out
    at Marlboro Nautilus for a bit with her as well....right??
    I talked to you two a couple times on the Lifecycles. :^)
    
    Somehow, after I saw you two sat. at the show...then read your
    replies...*bing* the little light went on.
    
    /Motorbreath
                                                             

    re: 272.........hahahah............i knew i should have kept my mouth
    shut, so much for traveling incognito but it was just so funny!!...yes, 
    you sly dog you, them's us!......there really isn't a 
    resemblence to the crue girls...it's just all that hair, right???.......
    So...were the guy standing by the door with the long hair?.../karen

    re.273
    nah, you know who I am, you see me at work all the time...
    I say hi occasionally, somehow I just put it all together.
    (I amaze me, ha ha)
    
    /Motorbreath...aka Mike

    re:274.........oh i see.....now i suppose i'm going to have to guess?
    well give me a hint.....i guess i'm not placing the last name.....
    next time you walk by, sing me the chorus of "girls, girls, girls.."
    it at least ought to liven up this joint!....you won't tell anyone
    about my double life will ya?.....patty professional by day.....etc,
    etc...............(or maybe i'm not foolin' a soul!)......./k

    
    
    	RE: Karen
    
    	You're not foolin' a soul...  I knew the minute I saw you
    	that you weren't a strictly DEC business type woman.
    
    	Tigga~~~ (8

    
    
    
    	Some guys thought you were nasty habits?! 
    
    	Whats your number!?!    ;')
    
    	JW

    MMMMM,Nasty Habits,love those Babes!!
    
    				MC Hammer
    

    Re: 276 .........Hmmmmmm, i guess i haven't maintained as low a profile
    as i thought!................/k

    re.280 Yeah, the drum solo was definitely the best (most entertaining)
    I've seen. It was a cool idea!! Usually solos are SO f*cking boring!
    gotta hand it to the band, they ARE good showmen.
    
    Nice to see 'em clean and healthy too.
    
    /Motorbreath...Nasty Habits were a totally different show on their
    own.... hummina.

    'Breath-
    
    What was the big surprise this time around?  Is he still going upside
    down like last time?
    
    Steve

    .....Can't wait to see them Nasty Habbits next month....Ymmmmm
    Ymmmm....Tell me more about the show, tell me more.....
    
    jab

    
    	re: Steve
    
    	I ain't /breath but...
    
    	He had a drum set suspended in the air up above the audience.
    	It lowered down so that it was (approx) 10 feet above our
    	heads.  Then it would go from one end of the Centrum to the
    	other.  Turning. (not upside down but side to side so everyone
    	could see him)  All the while playing little clips of classics.
    	It was great!! 
    
    	(and of course not a fact that you would care about but all he
    	  had on was a black leather, metal studded, g-string type thing!)
    
    	JJ
    

    
    anybody heard a song called "TEASER"...! It's realy good...! It's 
    on the album "MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOUNDATION"....! It's also got loads 
    of other groups........!
    
    
    			SRi
    

    
    IT was originally done by Tommy Bolin (used to be in Deep Purple) and
    was alot better.
    
    You can still get ahold of his two solo albums.  This song is in fact
    on the album called Teaser.
    
    Flip

    Re: drumset over the audience
    
    That's awesome!  Bands are so funny these days in what they do.  The
    drumset idea is probably the coolest I've heard.
    
    David Lee had his surfboard and the boxing ring, but that's lame next
    to Tommy's set-acrobatics.
    
    Steve

    
    
    	Not to stray much from the topic at hand, but when we went
    	to see DLR, I was kind of disappointed at his theatrics.
    	Mostly because it took so long for him to get up on the
    	catwalk and get over to his props.
    
    	For some people, listening to a twenty minute guitar solo
    	is great; for me, it's a bore.  (yawwn) 
    
    	That's what I liked about the Crue.  Only had to listen to
    	Mick play for 3-5 minutes!  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    Yo Kim, Mick is only good for 3-5 minutes.

    
    	Exactly!  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~ who had Tommy's drumkit almost directly above
    		 her head and focused her attention there instead
    		 of on Mick.
                 

    
    Hopefully you didn't have to look at him for more than 3 minutes,
    either.  What a horrible and pathetic man.
    
    S

    
    	No way!!  He was WAYYYYYYY on the other side of the arena.
    	We had (slurrrp) Nikki on our side!!!  Heh heh heh!!
    
    	Tigga~~~~

    And Nikki looked as delicious as ever.....didn't he Tig?  ;-)

    
    
    	uh-huh...yup yup yup...uh-huh!!  Oof!
    
    	Tigga~~~~ 

    
    	Funny....the guys in the conference talk about Nasty Habbits
    and get called sexists...you females though....slurpping
    away...sheese...what a doubel standard...(:
    
    BK
    

    Y'kon bri, for once I totally agree with you. /Tig is totally gaga,
    actually so are more of these hm types,but the male who checks out the
    Crue bimbos is a ....
    
    Well you know what you are. At least by the female HM double standard. 

    
    	Hold it!!  You guys want to drool over chickies, be my guest.
    	I won't hold it against ya, honest!  Doesn't bother me in
    	the least.
    
    	Tigga!~~~

    
    
    
        Hello! I'm new to this NOTES thing. I'm psyched that I
    found a topic I could relate to. 
    
        Anyway..........on the subject of Motley Crue...I caught
    their show on Saturday night (the 16th), I had NO complaints
    about it. It was perfect (IMO). AND............after the show
    I was lucky enough to meet them. Nikki is even sexier in person!
    I didn't meet Vince, he didn't come to the party. OH, I took some
    killer pics of them, too! It was cool.
    
        
        
    
        Jenna "The WILD one"

                
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                Note 3 is used to introduce yourself.
                
                Cheers, Rob
                
                (reply 300  is  now  set up, who's gonna take the
                bait :') )
                
                

    
    
    300.
    
    
    
    Paul

                
                
                
                I certainly was not expecting YOU, Paul :').
                
                

    
    
    	RE: Jenna
    
    	Waaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!!  Lucky girl!!  And, naturally, I'd
    	like to take a gander at those photos, PULEEZEE! (8
    
    	RE: Paul
    	hee hee.. good going!  Nyah to Rob!  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    
    
    
    
    Sure Tigga! Where you at, anyway?
    
    There's one REALLY good picture of Nikki, I can
    get a copy made for ya if you want.
    
    Let me know..........
    
    (If you want to send me Email, I'm at
    Social::Belmore)
    
    
    TTFN,
    
    
             Jenna  "THE GROUPIE"!

Small side-note....

Jenna, do you have a sister Nancy? I knew a Nacny Belmore, but haven't seen 
her in a few years. I know its a long-shot, but I hadda ask....

And to keep with the topic at hand - I just bought the new Crue CD last 
night, but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. I'll post my opinions 
next week....

alan

    
    yeh, Kickstart my heart stnds out with me too, title track also.
    But the album as a whole............eh! IMO, their worst.
    
    jeff

    I have to agree....I was very disappointed with the CD.
    Dr. Feelgood and Kickstart are the only two songs worth
    listening to.  Too many ballads for my taste.
    
    

    
    
    
        I LOVE the drums in Kickstart, they get me going. 
    I must have listened to the album about 5 times last
    night and I came to the conclusion that I really did't
    like the song "Change". I really like "She goes down"
    and "slice your pie", and I thought the horns on 
    "Rattlesnake Shake" were really funky. I should say
    that I just love everything about them, basically!
    
    
        To the dude that asked if I had a sister Nancy.......
    NOPE. But, I have a brother named Billy. I DO have a
    relative named Nancy, but she is about 32 or so.......
    (I'm only 18).
    
    
        If any of you guys went to the Crue on Saturday night,
    you might have seen me........I was the one with the BRIGHT
    blue sequined dress. The lighting dudes up in the girders 
    were having a great time shining the lights on the dress for
    the better half of the night! I left there deaf and blind!
    
    
    
         Cheers........
    
                         Jenna!!

    
    	RE: "Rattlesnake Shake"
    
    	That song's too "glammish" for me ... sometimes I think
    	Motley Crue is trying to be another Poison.
    
    	I wish they'd go back to their TFFL days, or at least
    	"Shout at the Devil".
    
    							GTI
    

    
         
         I'm 19, lookin 22, acting 16, and crankin it out to 10!  I love
    
    being young cause we'll never be there again!  AS far as a drinking 
    
    age goes...there are ways around anything! 8^)
    
         Back to our regularly scheduled note.
    
        Has anyone else noticed that the intro guitars on Kickstart
    
    sound suspiciously like the guitars on Whole lotta love by Zep?
    
    SabFan...3 days 1 hour and 43 minutes...
    
    
                                                    

    
    	Whole Lotta Love?  Nah.
    
    	It's said that the intro sounds alot like Montrose's "Bad
    	Motor Scooter" though, off of the self-titled album ...
    	which I will be getting soon (Sammy Hagar on lead vocals).
    
    							GTI
    

    ....for all you New Englanders..........did you hear that the Crue will
    be swinging by this way again with a concert scheduled for April 13th
    at the Providence Civic Center.........anyone out there know who will be 
    opening for them this time?.........../K
    

    
    
    	(8  Already got my connections working on this one. (;
    
    	RE: Opening band
    
    	I know it's not Warrant anymore, but I can't seem to remember
    	the name of the opening band now.  I'll have to go home and
    	watch the HBB from a few weeks ago to find out
    
    	Tigga~~~

RE: Opening band
    
> I know it's not Warrant anymore, but I can't seem to remember
> the name of the opening band now.  

Wasn't it Faster Pussycat on the recent West Coast swing?

alan

    Yes it is supposed to be FP

    FP?
    Yeah!
    
    /Motorbreath...would much rather see Faster Pussycat than Warrant

    		I saw the crue Sat.17th and it was Faster Pussycat.
    I saw them at the Oakland Collisem in California,cool show.
    
    					Rick

    
    
    
    
    
                   I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!  Twice in a year!
        Faster Pussycat, huh? COOL!! This one's on my birthday!
        Gonna have to call my connection for passes...(no PROB)
        Ummmmm........TIGGA! You ARE going, right? Ever meet
        the CRUE......???? Drop me some E mail when you got a 
        spare sec. Are tickets sold out for that show?
    
    
    
    
    
                   A Rubber Derche',
    
                                        Jenna (who-is-gonna-go-banannas-
        waiting-to-see-Nikki-again!)

    
    
    	Hey Jenna!
    
    	Ya.. I've already contacted my 'connections' for the
    	show as well. The Crue on Friday the 13th!!!  AWESOME!!!!
    
    	Mail being sent shortly! (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    -2
    
    Crue...sold out?
    
    C'mon, be real!

    I guess the kids could either buy Crue tickets or buy Nintendo games.
    
    				8^D
    
    			      Scary
    
    (who would have loved to see the "Shout At The Devil" tour but wouldn't
    see the Dr. Radio show if it was in his backyard)

    
    
    
    
    
                     I suppose they wouldn't be sold out.
                 I think I just panicked 8-}. Does anyone
                 know where the Crue is now? How about next 
                 week? If they're in Florida, let me know
                 by 2-23-90, cuz I'm leavin' Sat a.m.
    
    
                                       Jenna-the-soon-to-be-
                                       tan-one!!

    Yo Scary, I saw the SATD tour, they pretty much kicked Saxon's
    hind-quarters all over the stage and back into the alley behind City
    Aud. Actually I kinda like Dr. Feelgood too, but in a different way. 
    Z-ROCK played some crue this morning, "Ten Seconds to Love". pretty
    good chit 'mon.
    
    dd

    
    	I never got a chance to see the SATD tour, but I really thought
    	that the Dr. Feelgood tour kicked!
    
    	(not trying to be biased, either!)
    
    	Tigga~~~

    I saw them (at least part of the show...got thrown out) on the SATD
    tour.  They were opening for Ozzy (who I missed completely).
    
    gh

    I saw thier recent tour (Dr.Feelgood),let me tell you it was
    unreal.Warrent was opening for them,when they were on,almost everyone
    around me was sitting,but as soon as Motley came,We're talking a
    major concert.They opened the show with "Kick start my heart"wich
    was wild.I lost my voice after the thrid song.
        They some of thier old stuff like "Too young to fall in
    love","Looks that kill",Live wire"It was unbeliveable.The show was
    just awsome from begining to end.Motley Crue has come from along
    way.They took alot of crap,but they came back fighting.
        Now,it's the 90s',The boys cleaned up thier acts and started
    to do some serious a$$ kicking.In about the mid 90s',They're coming
    out with a greatest hit album,I'm not sure the name,I got it on
    the music note #1156.It's got all thier albums and year on it.
        I've been a fan since "Shout at the Devil"came out.I loved that
    album.Then I found "Too fast for love" and I fell in love with that
    one.Crue would always be up thier with Ozzy,Metalica,Dio,You name
    it.I like em all,I love em all.
                           Crue forever.
    

    re -1 What did they encore with?  Actually I kinda can't wait to see
    them. 

    FOR SALE:
    
    	Dr Feelgood CD 
    
    	$9
    
    Im in the MRO area.
    
    Chris
    dtn 2919676 (don't call reply by mail)

    
    
    	In today's Globe there's a small article about MC stopping one of
    their shows because stuff was being thrown on stage.  The article said
    after Vince Neil was hit in the face with a cup of ice, he put down his
    guitar(does he play one?) and walked off the stage with the rest of the
    band.  After Vince was treated for a minor injury the band returned to 
    finish the show.
    
        
    Paul

    Vince realy does play guitar.He plays on one of the songs off
    "Dr.Feelgood".I seen him play at Worcester,he did pretty good.I
    think we'll be seen more of Vince Neil playing guitar.He's not a
    bad player,as I said before.

    UGH!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    If I hear that STUPID freakin song Without You ONCE more...I'll..I'll..
    
    
    		*****	S  C  R  E  A  M  !  !  !  *****
    
    It's the worst waste of good iron oxide tape I'll heard in a while.
    
    I hate how Vince *whines* on it...Ewwwwwwwwwwwww

	UGH!!!!!!!!!!!
        
    	If I hear Buck complain about a freakin song ONCE more...I'll..I'll..
                                                    
                                                     
    		*****	S  C  R  E  A  M  !  !  !  *****
                                                     
    It's the worst waste of Buck's ability to type I've seen in a while.
                                                             
    I hate how Buck *whines* about it...Ewwwwwwwwwwwww         
                                   
    
    
    .....hee hee hee heee
    
    	Tigga~~~~

    
    	re: Tigg
    
    	Yahoo!!  encore !! encore!!
    
    	Tigg   1
    	Buck   0
    
    
    				Hee hee.....  JJ
    

    
    
    I'm with Buck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    If I hear that song one more time I'm going to have a major trantum!!!
    
    Renee

    
    re.341
    
    What did you do mate, sell the Ibanez and buy an attitude ?

    I agree with Buck, but I also agree with /Tig. 
    
    Congrats Tig, That was the first time I laughed at anything you said. 
    Pretty funny stuff. That killed me.
    
    the devil dog who is getting tired of "Without You".

Y'all ought to move to SC if you wanna get away from that 'yankee radio'...
I don't think I've heard that song once here...Then again, I haven't heard
anything newer than 'Back In The USSR' since I moved here...

jc

    RE: TTT
    
    Naaa, I didn't have to buy an attitude, I already had one!
    ;^)
    
    Face it, it's a lame song.  Dr. Feelgood is a lame album, and MC
    should get back to the TFFL/SATD days, if they can!
    
    MC is getting a bad a Bomb Jovi
    
      _    /|   
      \'o.O'    
      =(___)=   Aack!!!
         U      
    

    
    
    What do you mean MC "IS" getting as bad as Bon JOKVI
    
    They always were!!!!!!
    
              The_Lovedriver
    

                          
    Yo Buck,              
                          
    I gotta admit - that song is not my fav tune on the album, but
    then I've never really been huge MC fan.
                                           
    Also - we don't get force fed the same songs like you guys do, so 
    I'll let ya off dude  8^)

    Cheers
    -Tone    

    You're lucky ya don't Tone...every time I turn on my radio I hear
    (in a whine) "But without you by my side, you're the reason I whine"
    
    It's too much.  Now, I could listen to a good MC song that much, like
    Home Sweet, or Red Hot, but this stuff is trash.
    
    It just doesn't seem to have any style to it.  I'll listen to Salty Dog
    before I'll listen to this...they're basic, but they groove.

Anyone else notice that the beginning of the 'Dr. Feelgood' album is a direct 
steal (tribute?) to Kiss's 'Destroyer' album? Complete with car crash sound 
effects and everything....I keep expecting them to go into "Detroit Rock 
City"!

alan

    plus one song sound so much like a Beatles tune I don't know why they
    have not been sued yet !! (I think its Slice of your Pie)
    
    Chris

    
    	The Beatles?  Get the f*** out!!  [Said in my best Eddie
    	Murphy accent, which I don't have.]
    
    	"Slice of Your Pie"?  The song doesn't sound "Beatleish",
    	although I can't remember the intro.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	RE: -2
    
    	Beatles?!?!  BEATLES?!?  Uhhhh... nope.  At least not in my
    	opinion.  There are a couple tunes that sounded alot like
    	Aerosmith's style, but The Beatles?  Yeeeeck!
    
    	Tigga~~ (8
    

    
    	RE: Chris
    
    	You're right, I've got it now.  I've been singing "Slice of
    	Your Pie" for the last 1/2 hour or so, and I finally rememb-
    	ered the instrumental at the end ... which sounds ALOT like
    	"She's So Heavy" by The Beatles.
    
    	Sorry about that.
    
    							GTI
    

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    	Oh yeah - the end of "Another Slice of Your Pie" sounds
    	just like "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" by The Beatles.
    
    							GTI
    

    boy I glad you agreed with me I thought I was losing it ! :')
    
    Chris
    

    
    
    	Which song is that?? "She's so Heavy?"  How does it go?
    
    	Tigga~~~

    -1
    
    It's the one that sounds like the end of Dio's Shame on the Night.

    GFTPM had an interview with Mick Mars a couple of months back.
    It was completely intentional on their part to rip the Beatles
    off. He did mention some other places on the album which were
    quotes from other songs....but I don't have the interview in front
    of me so I can't site them. If anyone is interested I can dig up
    the info for ya'.
    
    Mark Crombie

    
    	RE: Tigga
    
    	It's the one that goes:
    
    	"I want you,
    	 I want you so bad."
    
    	They go into "She's so heavy" (repeated many times) at the
    	end of the song.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Gee thanks Buck.  Now all I have to do is listen to Shame
    	on the Night so I can realize which song is She's So Heavy
    	so I can relate it to Slice of Your Pie.
    
    	Easy. (8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    	Hey GTI...
    
    	The only song I know of with those lyrics is a dance tune by
    	some little teenage chickie...
    
    	Tigga~~~

    Hey, is that Mark Spkali aka Mark Crombie?

    
    
    	re: Tigg
    
    	I was just gonna say that!  =)
    

Seems that Tommy Lee took a header Sat. Nite in New Haven...
    He was coming down from his "flying drum kit" and fell from the rope...
    He was rushed to the hospital and he was to have suffered a concussion.
    
    
    
    
    

    
    	Waaah!!!  My pooooooor baaaaaaby! )8 )8
    	
    	JJ told me the news, but the shows for Providence are supposed
    	to be still on.
    
    	He was treated and released.
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    
    	I had heard the tale end of the report.  I knew it was one
    	of the guys from the Crue but didn't know which one.
    
    	I'm glad to know he's ok....
    
    	JJ
    

    
    
    	ACCCCK!!!!!!  Blasphemy!  Someone has GOT to be playing a 
    	cruel joke on me....  Nikki has SHAVED the sides of his head!!
    
    	Now as far as I could tell, there's still enough on top to
    	stay long on the sides but it is ALOT thinner and looks
    	absolutely RIDICULOUS.
    
    	I think I shall cry now.  Wah!
    
    	Tigga~~~~

    
    NS:	 I dunno man, I need something different. I'm tired of of the
    	same mop
    Jorge', hairdresser to the stars:	Neekee, eet's yore look, eet's
    		yore trademark.
    NS: Yeah, I know, but I'm tired of it. I can't fit any more tattoos
    	on my body, every bodypart that's piercable is pierced, Tommy's
    	got the g-string gig nailed, I need something new man, help 
    	me out.
    Jorge': Well... I was lookeeng through my newest Metal Edge magazeen,
    	and saw a peecture of James Hetfield with the sides of his head
    	shaved. It looked FABULOUS, really brings out the pretty blue
    	in his eyes. What you theenk?
    NS: Yeah dude, that sounds cool. DO IT!!! You really think it'll
    	look bitchin?
    Jorge': Neekee, if you don't look good, I don't look good. 
    
    
    BBZZZZZZZZZZZ  *snag!!* BZZZZZZZ BZZZZZZZZ
    
    Jorge': What you theenk?
    NS: I look like  a PEZ dispenser... what have I done?!!

A PEZ dispenser !

Agagagagagagagagagaaa !

I thought I was the only person that would remember those
things !!  Moto, you kill me sometimes...

    
    
    	RE: Motorbreath
    	Pfth on you sweetie!  (; (;
    
    	But it's not like James Hetfield's hair, believe me... Did
    	anyone happen to catch the HBB a few weeks ago where a couple
    	of the guys from Tesla were hosting??
    
    	The dude from Tesla (can't remember which one) has his hair
    	the way Nikki's is now.  It's stiill long so if he stands there
    	it looks long, but if he flips it back, there's no HAIR!  )8
           
    	Tigga~~~

Haircuts aside.....

The Crue put on a decent show, I thought. They weren't 'awesome', but they did 
sound better than I thought they would live. Only real complaint was that it 
was way too loud. But I guess that is to be expected.

I gotta say this for the boys - they know how to work an audience. It was 
quite a presentation - lazers, smoke bombs, fireworks, they played all the 
hits, etc. It's all been done before, but the crowd loved it, and I guess 
that's all that counts for them...

alan

    
    Motorbreath, I'm roooooooling!!!
    
    We had the little things over here too 8^)
    
    -Tony

    
    
    	RE: -1
    
    	Then I'll blame him for this ridiculous craze then!!
    
    	Tigga~~~ who misses all that hair! (;

    Cat...
    
    Which night did you go?  Saturday night it was great !!!  They
    played really tight and the sound was not as bad as I had
    expected.   The special effects were great....and Tommy Lee is 
    really an exceptional drummer (IMHO).  As far as Nikki goes....
    what can I say....sweat never looked so good....;-)
    

    
      Who's the backup band on the Crue's tour?They are playing in Montreal
    in June and I want to go see them.....
    
                       R.B.
    

>      Who's the backup band on the Crue's tour?They are playing in Montreal
>     in June and I want to go see them.....

Until recently it was Faster Pussycat. But they are no longer on the tour. I 
don't know who is taking over (Pussycat is joining the Kiss tour).

alan

    
    	*sigh*
    
    	Tis truly yet another day of grief in the world of Motley
    	Crue....
    
    	First, Nikki shaves part of his head.  Next, Tommy follws
    	suit... now...
    
    
    
    	Nikki's getting married.  *sigh*  FWIW, he's marrying
    	Brandi Brandt.  For those who don't know who this chickie is,
    	she's the one who is operating the elevator in Aerosmith's
    	"Love in an Elevator" video.  
    
    	My life ... will never be the same.  (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8
    
    	tigga~~~~~

    
    
    Re: Brandi Brandt
    
    	I'm sitting here thinking.... "Gee that name sounds familiar."
    Then I hear Al Bundy's voice..... "You make it possible for us to 
    have sex with our wives."  BB was in the Married with Children episode
    where Peg sold the family Playboys.  
    
    	Don't fret Kim, he'll probably call it off.  He did with Vanity...
    the fool. 8^)
    
    
    Paul

    
    
    	RE: Paul
    
    	*sigh*	...A girlfriend of mine just sent mail to tell me that 
    	her boss is in Hawaii and the Crue is staying at his hotel!!!
    
    	Waaaah!!!!!
    
    	tigga~~~ (8
    
    

                Paul, I  had  the  same thing hit me.  THanks for
                figuring that one  out!   I KNEW I had heard that
                name somewhere!
                
                :')
                

    
    
    	No prob... Rob.

    
    Brandi; that beautiful babe from Playboy...  
    
    I better go home and practice my chops...
    
    J-Dot

    HA HA HA HA HA....well, if you haven't already heard , Brandi and Nikki
    are expecting a baby......say!...she must have conceived on their
    wedding night, dont'cha think?.....I guess playboy's shot all the
    pictures they'll be getting of her for awhile...if i were a gambler, i'd 
    lay odds that little brandi ain't no fool.........california law is pretty
    generous about settlements and child support stuff......she's set
    forever..........I wonder who's smarter? /k

    The "shotgun wedding" stuff used to be big news in the 1870s, now
    who cares when she got pregnant?
    
    /Motorbreath...who doubts she would want to do that to her paycheck
    (her body) just to get some cash.

    Maybe they wanted it!  They got it now in any event. 
    Maybe it'll start a band called New Crue on the Block.
    Opps! sorry If I see 1 more NKOTB tshirt I'm gonna scream

    re.392
    Where do you hang around to see so many NKOTB t-shirts, anyway?
    
    /Motorbreath..only sees them when at the mall, or driving by 
    grade school bus stops.

    Everywhere, yesterday I saw a little kid (7yr) coming out of a package
    store with one. I go into a store for cigarettes and the buttons are
    all over the counter, and T shirted teenies are hanging around outside.
    I look out the window of my house, which is across from a Jr. High and
    down the street from a High school and  run out of fingers counting em
    up. I can't stand it anymore. I heads down to the local Bad Book store
    and see calanders, and NKOTB Magazines scream in my face. 
     Modern marketing technology owes a great deal to Nazi Brainwashing,
    Imho.
    Now back to the show...

    re: .391
    
    I didn't write the note to highlight the "shotgun-ness" of it all
    or the fact of just when she got pregnant....i had a more cynical
    view of the whole thing....the point was, she doesn't need to lift a
    finger for the rest of her life now.....and yes, i do think that some
    people are calculating enough so that they never "have" to work
    again...as for doing that to her body...well some people have been
    known to recover from pregnancy just fine......... /k

    What a moron, wonder why he didn't name the kid Pack Nicholas or
    something:
    
    Motley Crue bass player Nikki Sixx, 32, and his wife, Brandi, 21, had
    their first baby, an 8 lb. boy, Gunner Nicholas, on Jan 25.  According
    to Sixx, Gunner's name was chosen for its reversible meaning, Sixx
    Gunner.   

    Didn't he marry Brandi Brandt the playmate? 

    
    Yep.  He stole her from me, that loser :').
    

    
    	I don't know why it was write-locked, but it's open now.
    
    							GTI
    

	During Motley Crue's break from touring and recording,
	each of the band members plan to pursue a solo project:

	Nikki Sixx will form a blues band; Vince Neil is doing a
	solo album; Mick Mars will do an 'experimental' LP and Tommy
	Lee is leaning towards funk.

        Sounds a bit like the KISS project doesn't it.
    
    	Flip	
	

    Sounds stupid.
    Gee... Vince's solo album. That'll be interesting, he doesn't
    write any of MC material (VERY little).
    Gee... Mick's experimental album. That sounds like a must-buy!
    He's pretty much worshipped as a guitar god, and it'll be scooped
    up by all guitheads!
    Tommy and Nikki - well, that sounds mildly interesting.
    
    /M

    I would definitely like to here something or anything for that matter
    from Tommy Lee. I have to say that T-bone sure can play them skins, It
    be cool to hear some solo stuff from him.
    
    
    
                            The"B."

    Pril learns COMPOSE

    
    	The problem is especially noticeable when trying to read the
    	title on a VT100, if anyone out there has one.
    
    	Tell you what ... I'll put both versions in the title space.
    
    
    							GTI

      The new song off the "DECADE OF DECADENCE" album is called
    
        !!!!!!!*********PRIMAL SCREAM**************!!!!!!
    
                  I think the album comes out next month!
    
                           Frizkid
    

    
    	RE: .408
    
    	Psyche!
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    
    	re: -1
    
    	somehow I *knew* you'd be the first to reply....  =)
    

    
    
    
    	Thank you thank you... (; (;  (8
    
    	tigg~~~ naturally (8

    I thought SLAYER were going to release a live album called Decade of 
    Decadance?
    
    They`ll no doubt have to change the name now - considering how similar
    the 2 band`s music is.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    > They'll no doubt have to change the name now - considering how
    > similar the 2 band's music is.
    
    Please tell me that was a joke!!!!
    
    
    Chris.
    

    RE-1
    
       NOpe....I think they're as close as any two bands could be.
    
         I bought Dr. Feelgood and said "Hey, Is this the new SLAYER?"
    
                         Frizkid
    
                   

    
    	Anyone who follows Joe Strummer's SOAPBOX ramblings knows that
    	it was, in fact, a joke.
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI

    Y'know come to think of it Same old situation does sound a little like
    South of Heaven.....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Chris. The Not Man (tm)
    

    Well it must be said that Jeff Hanneman looks remarkably similar to
    Vince Neil.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    Primal Scream -- No 1 last night on TNT (WAAF)... GOOD SONG!!!
    
    /w

    There's a cover of 'Anarchy in the UK/USA' on the album.
    
       -- they should have left this well alone IMO
    
    				Andy.

    re: "Anarchy in the UK"
    
    ACK!  Motley Crue covering that???
    
    gh, who sez that Megadeth's cover of that song ROOLZ!!!

	I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chris.

    Megadeth`s version of "Anarchy In the UK" is crap. And Motley Crue`s
    version will be even more dire.
    
    You`d have to live in England in 1977 to understand why. (Mass
    unemployment,Unions,Labour Government etc,etc make`s the Sex Pistols
    original credible. A stupid brat like Dave Mustaine makes the song
    a joke).
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    have you ever heard Megadeth's version LIVE. If not now I know why you
    hate it, if you have, then I don't know what's up with you. I really
    don't think the song will be any good if you can dance to it. Which is
    what you can do to most Crue songs. Uppity beats and a cowbell will not
    do it justice.
    
    Chris.
    

    It seems to be the in thing a few years ago for American bands to cover
    the Sex Pistols(Anthrax...god save the queen,Megadeth...Anarchy in the
    UK and Skid Row....pretty vacant)non were ever as good as the original.
    
    
    
    
                                               Staynz

    
    I still like the covers of them though.

    Me too.  How can you say that "Am I Evil" the original is better than
    Metallica's version. The same holds true for Blitzkrieg. And Helpless.
    And Last Caress, And the Wait. Maybe it's the band.....
    
    Chris.
    

    
    
    Maybe its their opinion!

    I remember seeing Megadeth do "Anarchy In The UK" at the Aardshock
    festival 3 years ago (in Zwolle,Holland).
    
    5 Nazi skins stripped to the waist charged into the audience at the
    front beating the **** out of anyone they could get their hands on.
    There was blood everywhere (it was that bad).
    
    Not that i hope that gangs of Nazi skins will start going to Motley
    Crue shows and beating up posers,of course.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    Ok, ok ,ok ... that's something hadn't figured on. When I went to see
    them awhile back, there were skin heads, but they were getting beat
    just as much as the rest of us. I don't know what it is, but people
    like to let out aggression through music, but I can't see people
    letting anything out during a crue song except, puke.
    
    Chris, who "liked" shout at the devil, but can't stand anything else
    they have ever done or probably will do!!!!!
    
    

      O.K. 
    
            O.K.
    
          All you LAME-O peple back to your nice little thrash topics!!!!
    
    
                            8*)!
    
               Give the Crue a break.............SHEEEEZZZ!
    
     They brought Heavy Metal back when it was slowly dieing out!IMNSHO!
    
    
         I saw the new MOTLEY vid. for Primal Scream......
    
                       Very,very,very cool!!!!!!!!!
    
          
            As far as the Crue doing Anarchy in the U.K.:
    
         I'd rather they not do such a stupid song in the first place but 
    hey, Motley Crue could piss on vinal and I know MILLIONS that would 
    buy it! (INCLUDING ME!!!!!!!!!!)
    
           As far as skinheads go:
    
    
                    BRING EM' ON!
    
        That be great to bash some skulls while Crue is playing!
    
                     Frizkid
    

    Don`t get me wrong - i think Crue are excellent,and agree that they
    were one of the best bands around when metal was particularly 
    stagnant (84-86 `ish).
    
    It`s just dumb them doing Anarchy In The UK,`cos they`ll get slated.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    
              I agree.......but in my eyes CRUE can do anything they want
    and get away with it.
    
        They just did for the "Greatest Hits"(DOD), So it's no big deal.
    
              I'm sure alot of people thought they shouldn't done JAILHOUSE
    ROCK but they did and it worked.
    
            One thing I have noticed if you ever goto a Crue concert:
    
             Crue fans are the most intense crowd of people that LOVE this
    band!!!   Hardly ever have I seen such DEDICATION!
    
        And I'm proud to say I'm one of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
                     Frizkid
    
    
              
                                                  
     
        

    Not to put Crue fans down, I have a few that are major fans, but I'd
    have to say that a Thrash band has the most dedicated, and intense
    fans. All you have to do, is go to a Testament, Metallica, Megadeth,
    Slayer, Anthrax concert and see the fans jumping on each other,
    PUNCHING each other, but the thing is no one takes it personally,
    everyone knows that you're out to relieve  a little pressure, A Mosh
    pit is wuite a site. People say that if you're moshing than you're not
    paying attention to the music, TOTALLYT UNTRUE!!! When you mosh you
    usually do it to the beat and the words of the song. Like Exodus's
    Toxic Waltz. Anyway, Crue Fans bang the stage with their fists, others
    bang people with their fists. nothing personal. 
    
    sorry to drag on, I just think that if mustaine had been at the channel
    and threw a bottle into the audience that hit someone, I doubt there
    would have been a law suit, espescially if the bottle was thrown at him
    first. 
    
    Chris.
    

    
    
            I didn't know violence was a form of dedication??
    
           By the way....If Mustaine ever throws a bottle and hits a girl
    in the face:
              YOU BETTER BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE LAWSUIT!
    
               Not that that has anything to do with fan dedication.
    
    
            Motley fans are still the most dedicated that *I'VE* seen.
    
    
                         Frizkid
    

    
    re: .434
    
    I agree with you.  And remember what S.O.D. said about fist banging
    mania. 8-)
    
    Mosh/Slam pits are not all out violence although they have gotten
    out of hand these days, ever since punk merged with metal.

    
              I know Mosh pits aren't all violence but I was talking about
    lifestyles rather than concert behaivor.
    
    
           I've never seen a S.O.D. tattoo.
    
        Tattoo are a sense of dedication.....and I saw alot of tattoos
    of various Crue things at the concert. I mean alot!
    
    
                   Frizkid
    

    re: .436
    
    Agreed, too. I must say that pits have gotten out of hand, because of
    what I think is the SKINHEAD emergenge. I went to see Pantera awhile
    back, and right in the middle of a friendly but rough (not violent) pit
    a bunch of skinheads joined in and then PERSONAL fights began to break
    out. Now I have nothing against Skins, but they do tend to start a lot
    of personal fights. As for the bottle, I don't think Dave would have
    laughed if he hit a girl, but if she was a true 'Deth fan she would
    have accepted the apology under the circumstances, and so should've the
    girl in springfield.... 
    
    Chris.
    

      
    
       SHKINHEADS=TROUBLE
    
             Chris...Would you accept a simple "I'm sorry" from a guy
    that just scarred your face for life??
    
                  Frizkid
    

     
    Waita second.... I never said a simple "I'm Sorry". I said an apology,
    which contain many things. And under the circumstances. I bet that
    B*itch wouldna felt sorry if the bottle scarred Bas. No think NOT.
    And I must say I don't think that the girl wanted  a lawsuit. Just
    another example of parent domination and greed. And if I'm not
    mistaken, the girl wa offered plasic surgey paid for by Bas. And even
    the girl herself said there was no mental trauma (originally) but the
    parents transformed that into hideous side effected life destroying
    mental commitance. Anyway, if I was hit, no I wouldn't accept a simple
    sorry, but if I was offered the surgery and all the stuff she was
    offered by bas who wasn't trying to buy her out, but trying to make up
    for a mistake he made. I would accept. Now if he had come out and just
    threw a bottle that HE was drinking from.... different story.
    
    What would you do if T. Lee threw a drumstick, and while you jumperd to
    catch it, it hit your eye, blinding you.
    
    Chris.
    

    
    
    M eatalheadss
    O n
    S uicidal
    H eydays
    
    
                

    -1  I'll buy that!

    ...for a dollar!

    
    
    Gee Friz, have you been to England lately?
    
    How can you be an authority?

    I saw the new vid last night - I like it.  Seems a tad heavier than
    their latest stuff, so maybe these guys are getting back on track.
    
    I still think `Too Fast For Love' and `Shout At The Devil' were their
    best work.
    
    Scary

    
        RE::Authority on what??
    
             I'm with Scary on this one.....Their first two albums were the
    best.
    
                  I still like them all though!
    
                            Frizkid
    
    
    

    
    
    
    	Motley Crue... ROCKS...

    
    	"Shout at the Devil" was the best ... "Girls^3" was the worst.
    
    
    							GTI

    
    
    Too Fast For Love is awesome!

    If I'm EVER feeling down about something, I can throw in that CD, crank
    up `Live Wire', and all is well again !
    
    Scary

    Shout At The Devil!

    ok.
    
    
    
    
                  RAAAAAHHH DEVIL!
    
    
    
    
    			BAAAAAAAAAAAAD DEVIL!
    
    

    "Shout" and "Too fast" are definately their best efforts. 

    
    	Hee....they were playing Crue on Doogie Howser last night.....
    

    
    	In order of preference:
    
    	"Shout at the Devil"
    	"Too Fast for Love"
    	"Dr. Feelgood"
    	"Theater of Pain"
    	"Girls^3"
    
    							GTI

    
    I don't know. Theatre of Pain brings back some real cool memories
    for me. I liked some of that album. The tour was GREAT!

    
    	That was the first concert I ever went to ... Y&T opened.
    
    							GTI

    
    
    	Yup, I saw them WAY back then... I believe in 84.. at Lynn?
    	the outdoor show, got some GREAT pictures.. (front row gettin
    	crushed...) Y&T and there was 2 other bands.. can't remember
    	who though.......
    
    	Got a live album of them back in some LA club... pretty cool
    	hearin Vince yellin... "This is a new song we wrote... its 
    	called 'Shout at the Devil'!!" Shout ! Shout !.......
    
    
    	all the ole Crue albums bring back great memories!!
    
    	JW-

    
    	Y&T, Accept, Motley Crue and I think a band called Trash?

    I saw Motley Crue at the Hammersmith odeon (London) on the Theatre
    of Pain tour. I think maybe Dokken supported,(but i`m probably wrong).
    
    Great show,mind. 
    
    What`s wrong with Girls x 3? 
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    saw teh new crue vid last night "primal scream"
    
                               RULIN'!!
    
    'pril

    I heard "Primal Scream" on the radio last night and I wasn't all that
    impressed.  It sounded like pretty generic sounding rehash stuff.  Take
    the old Crue formula, put a few new words over it and then have Mick
    play one of Joe Perry's slide solo's on top of it.  Ack!
    
    gh

    I have to agreed wholeheartedly with Joe Strummer.  Megadeth ruined 
    the Pistols tune...and Motley will make things worse.  They haven't a
    clue when it comes to covering the Pistols!!

    
    
    I heard Primal Scream this weekend...  its a blatant, disgusting,
    bogus, rude, rip-off of the riff in "In the Heat of the Night" by
    Whitesnake...
    
    
    ACK!
    
    Goddess F.

    I`m none too impressed with the new Crue offering. Like you say,the 
    riff is a rip off,and it`s sung in that typical "Walk this Way"
    (Aerosmith) melody.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    
    
    	I'm going to have to hear it on the radio.  I was in shock
    	when I saw it on MTV since Tommy has almost NIL for hair..
    
    	*sigh*
    
    	tigg~~~~

       Non-Believers!
    
                    Frizkid
    

    For the first time last night I heard the original version of
    "Livewire" from their first album when it was released on an
    independant lable.It was very raw and Mick Mars guitar sounded not so
    good but geez it was excellant.One of their better songs,in fact,my 
    personal favourite,so for me it was very excellant.Now Primal scream
    there's a horse of a different colour..........
    
    
    
                                           Staynz

    Any ideas on how much it`s worth on the Leathur label? It`s just that
    i remember my mate buying it when it first came out back in 1983 on
    that label. 
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

     Motley Crue's DECADE OF DECADENCE was released today......
    
               Knowning my roommate, I'm gonna hear it a million times.
    So I let ya know..(If ya care?)
    
                          Frizkid
        

    
    
    	.... I know what *I* want for Christmas now. (8
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    After seeing the video for Anarchy in the UK, I like it!

    The music wasn't bad, but the vocals didn't fit so well imvho
    
    Signed,
    a pistols fan from way back

    
    I hated the vocals. Vince Neil's voice doesn't go with the song. IMO

    Hey Chris, you're not supposde to agree with me...what's wrong?!
    8^)

    
    Must be because I'm feeling under the weather... 8^)
    
    Listening to Motley Crue will do that to ya... 8)
    
    
    Christ
      !
     -+-
      !
      !

    
    I didn't think they were great, but not bad at all.

    IMNSHO-Vince kicks Johnny Boy's BUTT!
    
            Acknowledge and move on...............8)
    
                      FrizWhiz!
    

    FrizWhiz?  Sounds cheezy to me..  8-P

    Wanna taste?
    
                    Frizkid
                       &
                    FrizWhiz
    

	I really don't understand why the Crue did that song. 

	IMO they add *nothing* to the song.

	Megadeth's version was *much* better...

	I have never heard the original though.


				-Seth a big Megadeth fan, *NOT* a Crue fan.

	(I hope Axl kicks Vinnce's @$$ someday....  8)

    re-1
    
        SethyPooh..............They added a few changes.
    
                       Megadeth SUCKS!!!!!!!
    
          Frizkid
    

	Listen to Megadeth version and then listen to the Crue's version.


	The Crue IMHO added nothing....  What do the rest of ya think?


						-MegaSeth

    
    megadeth's version destroy's crue's.
    
    
    
    
    Christ 
      !
     -+-
      !
      !

*NOTICE*

	 Friz in another note is standing up for Poseon and yet he calls
	 Megadeth a 'girlie' band....

	 This shows Friz' taste... 8)

	 Megadeth's version is *so* much better than the Crue's...
	
							-MegaSeth

       Question: Would I rather be surrounded by burn-out stoner dude with
     their jacket with pathes on them or girls who like my music?
    
     Hum....That's a tough one? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
         I'll be in a 'girly' band................
    
     Mega deth SUCKS!!!!!   
    
               Frizkid
    

    Are you saying promiscuity is a bad thing?
    
           Sheeezzz. Kids today don't even like sex.
     What is wrong with the world today?
    
     They like thrash and hate sex...........
    
           Not for me...Just the opposite!
    
                    Frizkid
    

    Am I the only one here who likes, Motley Crue, Poison, AND Megadeth???

	re: 'pril

	Yeah, probably....


				-SethPose

    I like a lot of Crue's songs (espeically the older stuff), but I don't
    really care for Vince Neil's voice.  It's like thin and whiney and it
    gets on my nerves after awhile.
    
    gh

    I *REALLY* honestly like them ALL!
    
     Just sometimes Mustaine's voice gets on my nerves...
            Although I could listen to Motley all day...?
    
     ???I just hate the one sidedness of this conference.......
    
                    Frizkid
    

    I can only listen to Megadeth in short spurts, too!

re: Buck dude..


		       Do you have Megadeth RIP?

	I admit that some of their earlier stuff is a bit annoying after
	a while, but RIP has to be one of the best speed metal albums
	ever.

	At least it is my favorite.  I can and still do listen to it
	for hours on end..


						RIP rules,
							-MegaSeth

    I have RIP

It is awesome!!!


I can't wait for the new stuff.. 8)


						-Seth

    No Buck, You have "a" rip. Proper English dude.

    
    Ahh, t be truthful, if Poison is on AAF, I have left it there. I listen
    to crue a lot, but I just wasn't to impressed with Decade. I'm a
    fanatic for Shout.
    
    
    Chris

    IMHO, the crue lost it after Shout...

    
    
    
    Eeeek. Buck we have to stop agreeing. 8^)
    
    I do like a few things of off Dr. Feelgood. Actually all I like is the
    title song.
    
    
    Chris

    I liked a few cuts off of Girls, Girls, Girls, but I didn't
    bother with Dr. Feelgood, so I donno.

    
    Wild Side [song], is cool. I haven't listened to that in about a year or so.
    
    
    
    I hated Primal Scream, and Anarchy
    
    
    

    
    
    Motley Crue is the band that got me into this style of music, thats
    when I started playin guitar... So I gotta have respect for them!
    I love these guys!! 
    
    and then again, I love the latest Megadeth album to!! 
    
    I don't think Crue blew it at all, I like all the albums, but I'd
    hafta say, 2 of my favorites are 'Too Fast for Love' and 'Shout...'
    
    
    JW- who turned 'pril onto Megadeth! 

    
    I can't stand how uppity they're getting. I love Shout, and some stuff
    of Fast, and Girls. DrX, is a cool song. But songs like without you, I
    hate with all my heart!
    
    
    Chris-who turned himself into a Megadeth fan 8^)

    	Anybody see the uncensored vrsion of Anarchy in the U.K. I was
    watching the Playboy channel and saw. It was hot with a little extra
    spice added!!1
    
    
                                 The Trickster!11!

    
    
    I saw the uncensored version of Primal Scream.. pretty much the same
    as the regular vid. except they chick in the video the show parts 
    of, they show the full picture of her, dancing around a fire or 
    something like that.....
    
    
    JW-0

    
    Heard over the weekend Vince Neil is leaving Motley Crue..
    the band is already looking for a new singer.. i guess Vince wants
    to pursue a career in Race car driving... wonder who the new singer
    will be...??
    
    
    

    Motley Crue has influenced me in such a life changing way....
      After I saw the Too Young Too Fall In Love video my life turned 
      around. It's kind of like my Beatles or Led Zeppelin.  So saying that
    I'll report this:
    
             Mtv said Vince Neil has left Motley Crue to pursue a race car 
    driving life?!?! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The band said "He no longer
    shares the passion for music that we do" and are currently looking for
    a new singer. (IMMPOSSIBLE)!!  
    
     I don't know what this does to you but my mind,body and ALL of my
    friends are confused.  My roomate who is a HUGE cruehead is in hell...
    He's eternally depressed.  I told another one of my friends and he
    thought I was joking and after he realized I wasn't joking he started
    crying.   It's like someone in the family died.
    
                     Frizkid
    

    
    Major bummer.

    
    
    I never could stand Vince's voice anyway......
    
    flip

    I have to agree with Flip here...Vince was a MAJOR whiner!!

    
    
    	Uh-oh.  Tigg is gonna have a hissy when she hears this
    	one!!
    

    I used to like his singing at first, but I got tired of it.  I think a
    change may be good.
    
    Chris D.

    
    
    I agree.  I'm not much into MC, but I did like their first two albums..
    Vince was a definite part of the band, but at this point, a change may
    do them good...
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    I had his voice too...
    
    Now maybe when they get a new singer they can re-cover Anarchy...
    
    
    

    
    You've got to admit, Friz, that their albums have got progressively
    worse and uninteresting.  Their latest studio album (can't remember the
    name) lasted less that a week with me.
    
    flip

    I saw the deal on MTV about this and they said that Vince was "leaving"
    the band because of his lack of motivation and because he'd fallen off
    the wagon.  
    
    Sounds to me like they tossed him 'cause he was lazy and wasted...
    
    gh

    On a new singer: They've said it themselves: "We could never go on
    without one member of the band".  Much less Vince F**kin' Neil....
    The frontman and voice of the band.
    On their album's getting less interesting: NEVER!!!!!! Motley Crue just 
    keeps getting better.  I love and cherish ALL of their albums equally.
    Nothing they've ever done has let me down. 
    David Lee Roth:  Is was trumatic but by the time I started getting into
    them Dave was gone....So It was less trumatic for me.
    
    It's like I was at the right age(14) and they were the right band to 
    identify with. I grew up with them and worshiped them. It's scary to
    think that he gone. Motley will NEVER be the same.
    he left. I feel so empty. Like I'm alone.
    You might think I'm overreacting but this is how I feel.
    
                Frizkid
    

    Oh don't be such a cry baby!  It's *just* a freekin band, man!
    
    gh

    Greg....I hope your not serious.  Motley Crue was more than just a
    band.  If don't realize it then you don't get it. 
     So stay off my back...I was just saying how I felt.
                       Frizkid
    

    
    More than just a band? Like what?

    
    Nit pick...if your were a crue fan from the begining you would have
    been 10/11.  They formed in 1981.  I was under the impression that you
    were 21?
    
    

    Like a whole movement...Metal was in said shape till Motley came along.
       Like an attitude....A way of life. If you don't believe that it
    was...Come live in my house for a week. 
       They were Larger than life itself....
    
                      Frizkid
    

    Flip....I NEVER said I was a Crue fan from the begining.
    Go back and read...When I saw the Too Young To Fall In Love Video
    is when I started to get into them.
    BTW-The video came out in 1984..Which puts me at 14.
    
              Good try.
                              Frizkid
    

    I saw that on MTV too.  I was like, "No, they gotta be joking!"  But
    then I realized that there must have been a very, very good reason for
    it, Friz.  They wouldn't just kick out Vince cuz they were bored.  I'm
    actually looking forward to hearing the 'new-and-improved' Motley Crue! 
    I hear it's supposed to be a lot more "ballsy".  Just what they need,
    IMO.  Plus, Vince sounds like total sh*t in concert!  His voice is just
    TOO weak, man!! 
    
    'prilz
    
    

    
    
    
    It does'nt matter what Vince sounded like. He was a MAJOR part of 
    Crue, and without him, they will never be the same.. I've been a 
    MAJOR fan of them for YEARS.. they are what go me into the 'band'
    business, When I heard 'Looks that Kill' I bought the album.. the 
    1st band I ever REALLY liked.. since then I've collected everything
    they had.. I've got some bootlegs they are VERY rare... 
    
    They might get a singer with a better voice, but Motley Crue, they
    will never be again......
    
    JW-

    Jim, he might have been a major part of the band -then-, but that's why
    they kicked him out, they said that he was never, EVER, around during
    the song writing process, and he's the singer!  You'd think he could at
    least come up with the words...at least sometimes...
    
    Don't get me wrong, I'm a Crue fan but their old stuff definitely beats
    out their new stuff.  It *is* 'Time For Change' ! 8)
    
    'pril

    
    Vince neils voice is different...it may not be the greatist but its 
    different ... he's a part of the crue..without him the crue won't be
    the same..... i'm totaly BUMMED out!!!  )*:  
    
    

    
    Maybe they'll get a talented singer.
    
    I actually would probably listen to them more often if they had a
    better singer. I just can't stand his voice. Some of the music (newer)
    ain't bad.
    
    
    Friz- I know that's how you feel and %^&* ...but I had to laugh when I
    read that note... sorry dude... 8-}
    
    

    
    
    Sorry Pril, Don't think its time for a change.. Once you replace a 
    singer in a band, it becomes a new band.. 

    
    
    
    but still JUST a band...  If Peart left Rush it would blow, but still,
    it's just a band.
    

    Yeh, and the Lakers without Magic are still the Lakers...
    
    
    NOT!

    
    It is just a band, and breaking up could yield 4 new, excellent bands!
    Sometimes breakups bring about better changes.
    
    HM was in a sad state until MC came along?!?!  Oh pleeeeeeeze!!   :^)
    
    Chris D.

I gotta agree - Crue wouldn't be Crue without Neil...

But Rob is right too - it's just a band...

    
    JEsse.... you are comparing Magic to Vince.... oh hahahahahahahahahahah
    god give me a break...
    
    

    Excluding a few....Your ALL lame!  Either you get it or you don't....
    
                   That's all I have to say.
    
                          Frizkid
    

    Next, Harry Cody will split Shotgun Messiah, Tony Harnell will leave
    TNT, and everyone who has left a band within the last 6 mos will form
    a new entity called UltraPose!

    Exacty, they won't be the same.  I guess that's the way they want it...
    
    Of course it's a shame that Vince left, but ya gotta look on the bright
    side!  What -if- they do sound better?  I'll gladly wait 'til I hear
    the 'new & improved' Crue before I automatically hate it...
    
    'pril

    I have to agree with Chris D. when he said that the "HM was in a sad
    state before MC" comment was a crock.  At the start Motley Crue was
    *just* another hard rock band, there were dozens of bands that had
    similar sounds.  

    If you want to talk about bands that brought about a revival in the
    hard rock/metal genre in the early 80's, it was bands like Van Halen
    and Ozzy that did it.  Motley Crue were NOBODY back then!

    I mean, everyone thought they were Kiss clones when they first came
    out!  I saw them when they toured for Shout At The Devil and was
    massively underwhelmed.  Years later, I saw Poison tour for their
    second album and I remember thinking that there were a lot of
    similarities.

    Gh

    >I have to agree with Chris D. when he said that the "HM was in a sad
    >state before MC" comment was a crock.  At the start Motley Crue was
    >*just* another hard rock band, there were dozens of bands that had
    >similar sounds.  
    
    If anything, it was going down hill when MC popped on the scene!!
    
    I mean, Ozzy had a rockin band out at the time...the sabs were still
    rockin...Scorps were tearing it up...Judas was in meltdown mode...
    
    Then comes Black n Blue...Ratt...Motley Crue, and all these lame-o
    poseur bands from LA-LA land.  I saw Motley on the SATD tour, with
    Ratt backing them up in support of their OOTC tour.  I thought
    Ratt was a better band, but no by much!

    So,I wonder what it came down to..?
    Did Niel fall off the wagon and into a Race Car???
    Bet they kiss and make up within a year.
    Either that,or it's all a plot for them to have a GRAND reuion tour
    in 5 years   ;-)
    
            Crazy_I_Hope_Johnny_Rotten_Replaces_them.
    
    Then They'd ROCK.

    They don't call him "Crazy" Al for nothin...

    I think the Crue should get Terance Trent D'Arby!

    
    Vince can race all he wants, problem is, Ricky Schroeder always beats
    him :').
    
    (yeah, that silver spoons idiot)
    

David Lee Roth for Crue Singer !!

    Re:Rob
    Donny Osmand could give him a good race too...;-)
    
              Crazy_Whoa_Al

    How about Micheal Sweet? 
    
     Or Axl Rose since soon he will fire himself....8)
    
            T. Trent Darby?!?    ACK!!!!!
    
             Frizkid
              

How about Bruce Jenner?  He's another one of those Celeb racers.

Maybe the Crue could pick up Richard Petty when he retires from racing...

That way they could have the "King" doing vocals for them...

Tim

    
    So is Mike Levine... ex-Triumph
    

    
    
    	MEGA bummer about Vince leaving.  )8  And the Crue won't
    	be the Crue without him.  Same holds true for any of
    	the bands who replace their lead singer... VH isn't VH
    	without DLR... Boston without Delp (?)... just a kind of
    	weird change to get accustomed to...
    
    	)8 )8
    	tigg~~~

    I always remember an interview they gave on UK tv about '85-'86.They
    said that if ever a band member leaves then they would go on without
    a replacement.I always thought this to be a bit strange as what if
    the drummer left or handsome Mick Mars??Anyway,Crue will never be the
    same again.
    
    
                                   adios Vince
    
    
                                      Staynz

    Re: .560
    
    	Yeah! They said the same thing in last years Rockumentary. They
    were like.. "It's always gonna be Vince, Nikki, Mick, and Tommy" ....
    "if one of use decides to call it quits, then that's it..."
    
    I'd say there had to be more problems than just 'vince's racing career'
    
    

    So what's he gonna do, Go to Indy racing that little Geo Storm he 
    used a couple of years ago in the MTV race??  He'd look pretty stupid
    getting lapped by the pace car!  :^)
    
    Chris D> 

    
    .....nascar hits satellitetelly soon...8^)
    
    

    
    
    Welp, just heard from a friend. He said he was listening to the radio,
    it said David Lee Roth has already contacted Motley Crue about having
    him as their new singer..... 
    
    I don't know if this is good or bad... can't really see Dave singin
    'Looks That Kill'.... I think he's over the hill anyway.. he proved
    that his last tour... Maybe he'll get a sudden burst of energy!? 
    
    I dunno, but it will be interesting.... Tell the truth, I would'nt be
    surprised if Sixx said no way!
    
    JW-

    
    No Fraggin' way.... 
    
    Well if they do take him, I hope they make him can his corny outfits,
    or the (little) respect I have for them will be gone...

    
    
    No way!  
    
    If they do take him, Daves old front man days are gone!  The rest of
    Motley Crue are all such strong presence in the band, they wouldn't let
    DLR grab all the glory swinging around all over the place.
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    If DLR joins Crue it will be a bloody disaster.
    
    
    
                                                staynz

    
    like it would actually happen anyway.
    

    
    
    	Rob's right... never happen... unless of course, they WANT
    	to commit fame suicide.
    
    	tigg~~~

I heard this morning on MTV news that Vince was fired.  He said he was anyways.
No comment from the rest of the band about it though.

Tim

    DLR in MC? Ludicris!
    
     I saw/heard the telephone interview with Vince Neil on Mtv.
       He said in NO way was he pursueing a race car driving career.
       Must has always been #1 in his life...
       He said he was fired out of the blue and it came unexpected.
        He said he feel really sorry/sad for the fans because he
    thought/think Motley Crue was one of the best band ever.
      He also said he doesn't like the Crue's 'new' direction.
     Kurt Loder asked if it was like a Paula Abdul album and he said
    'pretty close'.  He's going to be doing a solo career....
    
                        Frizkid
    

Vince Neil will be a guest on the Dennis Miller Show tomorrow (Thursday) 
night, so anyone who wants to catch up the latest gossip can check it out...

alan

    
    COOL.

    
    
    Maybe the band will reconsider and take Vince back... !!
    
    
    
    

    I also saw/heard the section about this on MTV's "The Day In Rock" last
    night.  They had Tommy Lee on there talking about something, but I
    couldn't hear what he said 'cause the baby was yellin.
    
    They had a telephone interview with Vince who said (as Friz already
    mentioned) that he was definately fired, not a mutual parting, and that
    it was a total surprise to him.  He said that he was not persuing a
    career in car racing, that was nothing more then a hobby for him.  He
    also mentioned being excited about persuing a solo career.
    
    From what Vince said, sounded like he thought he was blindsided!
    
    gh

    
    So what's the story did anyone see Vince on the Dennis Miller show??
    
    Motley Crue was also my favorite band all through high school. They
    were the first band I saw live and I fell in love with them. That
    was the Theatre of Pain album. Too Fast for Love, Shout, and Theatre
    were excellent but after that I think they started downhill. They 
    were the best as a Hard band. Once they started with the glam they
    were not the same. I just hope they start playing on the harder
    side again like they used to. If Vince goes solo I hope the same 
    for him. 
    
    Who knows maybe this was what they needed to get them back to the 
    way they used to be???  I HOPE SO
    
    
    jim 

    
    
    	RE: Did anyone see Vince on the Dennis Miller Show?
    
    	Ya... you mean the two milliseconds he was there??  Didn't
    	really reveal much except that Vince says he was fired from
    	the band but that he's looking forward to doing some solo
    	projects, that it was different/weird/fun to have to do all
    	the legwork he was so accustomed to having someone else do
    	and that he's been married for four years and that his daughter
    	is eleven months old.
    
    	tigg~~~

       Hey, I didn't have time to go through all the old replies, but...
       I thought I remember you guys saying that the reason VN left MC
       was to race car drive??  Correct??

       If that is what was said, it is NOT true...

       VN left Motley Crue for ONE reason...  He didn't like the
       new direction that MC was taking..  The rest of the band
       was bringing in Synth. and backup singers for the new
       songs.  VN got fed up and left, he still has a contract with
       the record label, and he will be working on a solo album
       soon...



						Mr. Info,
						    -Seth

    My daughter said she heard on MTV that MC has asked the singer from
    Extreme to join.  True?
    
    Chris D.
    
    p.s. Is this a "You're fired/I quit" thing?!

    Seth...At first Motley Crue released a statement saying:
      Vince has left Motley to pursue a career in race car driving and
    not longer shares the same passion for music that we do.
    THEN Vince released a statement saying:
      "I didn't leave for racing..I was fired. Racing is a hobby of mine 
    but music is my #1 love".  He even said it in person on the Dennis
    Miller Show...See Tigga's note for that.
      Which brings you up to date...Still no new word from Motley Crue.
    
                         Frizkid
    

    BTW-I heard the singer from The Scream was trying out...ACK!
    
          Frizkid
            

	Friz dude...

	I wasn't asking...

	I was just putting in some solid info...

	That *IS* what is happening....

	(Fired/quit either way, he is out, and I say, better for him!!)


								-Seth

    But Seth...Your info was wrong.
    
     Vince did NOT leave..He didn't like the new direction but he didn't
    leave. He was fired out of the blue....
    
                 Frizkid
    

>     Vince did NOT leave..He didn't like the new direction but he didn't
>    leave. He was fired out of the blue....
 
   You can never prove to me that he was fired...  Or that he quit...
   We will never know... HE says he quit, the other guys say he was
   fired... Who are you going to believe?  I think it was a mutual 
   thing...

	but we will never know...



								-Seth

    NO! Your not paying attention.
       He says he was FIRED..THEY say he was FIRED.
    
             Which could only mean....HE WAS FIRED!
    
                       Frizkid
    

>    NO! Your not paying attention.
>       He says he was FIRED..THEY say he was FIRED.
    


		Not what I heard...  I heard He said he quit...


	WHO CARES!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

	Either way, I think it was good for him to get out of there
	(fired or quit)...  And he will be working on a solo project
	(which was the *MAIN* point of my note.)

	Sheesh!!!

							-Seth

    8)
     What ever you say O'one of thick skull. 8)
     Like you said...It doesn't matter.
      I'm looking forward to his solo project too.
    
                 Frizkid
    

	Whatever...

	(BTW I am not really looking forward to it..) ;)


	Tastes Fackin' great!!!

    Oh no...Buck.
       The local hard rock radio station just said...Steve Whitman from Kix
    is trying out for the Crue.
     I can't see this either....
    
         Frizkid
    

    re: Seth
    
    Your source of information is wrong.  Vince distinctly SAID himself
    that he was FIRED.  I *heard* him say this in a telephone interview on
    MTV last week.  He did not quit...
    
    Personally, I think it sucks for both parties, as most popular bands that 
    split like that never do anything good afterward (either piece of the 
    band).  
            
    gh

    I watched the Dennis Miller show for the first time...
    He said the other 3 members voted him out, he voted to
    stay with the band.  Majority wins, so they fired him.
    Sure doesn't sound like he quit.  Why would *he* say
    something like that on national TV if it wasn't true?

	SHEESH!!!!  What a bunch of animals you guys are...


	ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS WHAT *I* HEARD!!!!!  I am not saying
	it is law...   I have been known to be wrong in the past 
	many times...  BUT *I* HEARD... that he said he quit....

	Enough!!! okay?  I was wrong...  There is no sense in beating
	this subject forever....


						-Seth

	(BTW just in case you are wondering, No, I am not upset.)

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
       For once I was right....
    
           frizkid
    

    Seth, Vince was fired.

    
    Seth, vince was fired

    
    Seth, Vince was fired

    I kind of enjoy beating on you, Setheepoo!

    Vince sez he was ousted, hard.  He got the shaft, the pink sheet, his
    WALKIN papers.  He was sent on his way with his d*ck between his legs. 
    He was forced out in the cold.  He was SCREWED OVER RAW BY HIS FRIENDS!
    He was F(CKIN KNIFED IN THE BACK!  HE WAS BEAT TO A BLOODY F*CKIN PULP! 
    HE WAS DOG FOOD! 

    Git it?  ;^)

    gh 

    Seth...
    
    
    
    VINCE WAS FIRED!!!
    

    >Oh no...Buck.
    >   The local hard rock radio station just said...Steve Whitman from Kix
    >is trying out for the Crue.
    
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    oOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooo
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    No no no no no no no no no no no!!!
    
    No!
    
    No!  He can't do it...that would be awful!!!

    
    	RE: Steve Whitman
    
    	No way... it'd hurt him more than help him methinks.. Buck, think
    	if we get a petition together he'll change his mind?! (;
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    
    Then Motley Crue would sound like Kix!! I just think they should get
    a noname singer... If they get any known singer, Motley Crue will 
    just end up sounding like the band the singer came from!!! 
    
    
    BTW:
    
    Seth, Vince was Fired.....

    I think Steve Whit(e)man would sound good on the Crue stuff, but I
    don't wanna see one of my fav bands defunct for da Crue!!  8^(

    
    They should get James Brown!   :^)
    
    Seth, he was fired!
    
    Chris D.

    Seth,he was retired!
    

    I woulda thrown him out just 'cause he doesn't look the part any more. 
    His face is all fat and he looks like a sloppy bum everytime I've seen
    him in the last few months.
    
    gh

    		Hey,
    
    James Brown would be cool!!! Awesome screeches and sh!t, Sh!!ty!!!
    
    
                            Trickster!

    Yah!  The "Godfather of Metal"!
    
    Hahaha!
    
    gh

    
    I heard on the radio last night that the guy from The Scream was
    
    trying out with them.....
    
                                                           jazzzzzzzz

    I heard that too.  GAK!
    
    gh

    What gets me is the amount of sh*t that band members say when the band
    is still together.
    
    Only a few months ago Nikki was on a UK rock program called Raw Power
    saying that if one member of the band left or died then there would be
    NO MORE CREW.
    
    We will just have to see if this is the end of Motley Crew. I doubt
    it.
    
    Cheers
    Mark

    I just saw Vince on MTV's Rock Line (dialin interview program).  He was
    talking to Martha Quinn about getting the ax, how it happened and all.
    
    FWIW, he seemed to be honest about it and was taking it pretty well. 
    He showed no evidence of bad feelings toward the rest of the band at
    all.  In fact, he encouraged people to buy their new stuff!
    
    At one point, Martha was like "This is TOO intense!" and Vince was like
    "Naw, not intense.  These things just happen."
    
    I was a little surprised at how well he was taking it, acted like a
    true gentleman.  I've found new respect for him because of this.
    
    FWIW, he has cleaned himself up (ie actually shaved) and lost some
    weight and looked pretty good.  A *lot* better then the last interview
    I saw with him where he looked like a fat sloppy slob.
    
    He said a lot of musicians had been calling him wanting to work with
    him.  Might be interesting...
    
    gh

    Good to hear it`s not the usual in house bickering. Anyone remember
    when Dave Lee Roth left/got kicked out of Van Halen? What a 
    monumental bore that turned into.
    

    
    
    You could tell getting the axe was depressing to him, when Martha kept
    laying into him 'How do you feel, you gotta feel bad.. etc'.
    
    As far as I'm concerned Motley Crue is where Vince is... I'll be the 
    1st one to buy his solo album! Don't even wanna hear new Motley with
    the singer from the Scream.. BLLEACCKKK!! 
    
    Vince also said his music will be like 'Motley meets Metallica'.
    
    
    JW-

    I'm kinda interested in what Vince may come up with. It'll be
    interesting to hear him singing thrashier stuff, assuming the Metallica
    he was refering to is older Metallica. 

    Yeah, I agree with Jim, Vince seemed a little depressed about it.  I
    didn't think it was too cool of Martha to keep diggin at him trying to
    get him to talk more about it when it was clear that he'd said all he
    wanted to about it.

    Another interesting thing was how he dealt with her question about him
    and Axl Rose.  He basically said that they never talked, but he didn't
    have anything against Axl anymore.  Said he just got mad at the time,
    but that's all behind him now.  He did add that he was good friends
    with some of the other members of GnR and frequently went out with
    Duff.

    I'll say it again, I was real impressed with his integrity!

    re: Cooks

    We don't know yet if this will be different from the VH/DLR split up,
    since it was the VH side of the camp (especially EVH) that did *all*
    the mud slinging that I heard.  I never heard DLR say anything bad
    about VH.

    gh

    I heard rummors that the Crue was talking to one of the Nelson
    boys.....
    
    BJ

    
    
    ACK!

    Now how about if Guns and Roses loses Axle and Vince takes over????
    yeah yeah.. Then I could stand listening to them...
    
    
    JMO
    
    jeff

    
    
    I believe it's pretty much writin in that the dude from the Scream
    will be the new singer... Vince said that they've been auditioning 
    and decided on that dude.... Who knows!
    
    
    JW-

    Hardly the right replacment...It's gonna have to smoke for me to even
    buy it.   
             Frizkid..Who WILL buy Vince's solo album even if it's full of
    Ska music.
    
         

    maybe the dude from the Scream and Vince should just swap bands!  8)
    
    
    
    staynz

    I heard that Ice-T was joining the scream, they was gonna call it
    Ice-scream

    
    BRRRRRRR

    C'mon dude, it hadta be said. 

    Jesse,
        that joke was shite!
    
    
                                          Staynz  ;)
    
    
    

    taken without permission from Rolling Stone magazine, issue 627.
    
    
    RANDOM NOTES
    
    
    
    Vince Neil doesn't have a Crue.  After a decade-long stint singing and
    letting his hair grow out in MOTLEY CRUE, Neil has left the group and
    plans to pursue a solo career.  Band reports blame Neil's increasing
    involvement in auto racing, while the former frontman insists his *Days
    of Thunder* dreams never hampered his artistic output, claiming in
    stead that he got the proverbial boot because he "didn't share the
    enthusiasm for the band's new musical direction."  The group will carry
    on with a singer to be named later.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    To add to the bad luck the Crue has endured lately:
    Brandi Sixx lost the her second baby due to reasons unknown.
    
      Frizkid
    

    Ever seen Brandi's playmate video? 
    
    
    

    ...re: -1.....oh yeah, that's my favorite...................../k

    Hmm. 
    
    
    8^)