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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

3058.0. "key changes?" by LARVAE::BRIGGS_R () Thu Mar 23 1995 05:41

    
    I need to string together a load of songs to form a medley. However, I
    want them in various keys to give some variety to the overall sound.
    So, can anyone give me some good chord progressions from getting from
    one key to another. 
    
    Richard
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3058.1NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Thu Mar 23 1995 11:1329
    Tough one to generalize, Richard.  Rather than answer your question,
    here are a few other medley-building ideas that might help.
    
    Consider that in a medley, you don't always have to play the whole end
    of the first song and the whole beginning of the second song.  Maybe
    there's a common chord near the end of one song and the beginning of
    the next that can be used as a switch point.  When you get to that
    chord, you just jerk the band out of the first song and into the second.
    This can work with songs in different keys.
    
    Also consider that you can get an excellent medley effect even if
    you're not technically doing a medley in some circumstances.  If the
    songs have the same meter, say 4/4, try hitting the last chord, letting
    it ring for a count of 4, and starting up the next song on the beat. Or
    if the second song has a pick up note to begin it, just end the first
    song and go into the second with minimum delay.  The band should
    practice these transitions in rehearsal to get them cold.  This also
    works well sometimes if the songs are in related or close keys, for
    instance, ending in D and starting the next song on C#m, or if one song
    is the relative minor of the other, or if one song is in a major key
    and the other in the same but minor key.
    
    I believes that practicing and performing songs in medleys can help the 
    professionalism of a show, both because medleys can be interesting to
    begin with and also because they automatically keep the show moving.  My
    band uses alot of "song groups," some of which are medleys, others are
    just fixed groups we rehearse and perform together.
                                    
    								Marc
3058.2LARVAE::BRIGGS_RThu Mar 23 1995 13:0717
    
    I certainly agree with your latter statement. The band I play in 
    (actually its a 'group', sixties stuff you know!) always play sets of 
    three (or sets of two for slow numbers). It was amazing when we adopted 
    this approach (as opposed to stopping after each song). People really
    started to let their hair down. Pretty soon it becomes so natural to play 
    the songs together they almost become a single piece. Our penultimate
    set is Honky Tonk Women, straight into Brown Sugar and, bang, into
    Satisfaction. I've yet to play to a crowd that isn't up and dancing and
    singing by the time we're into the opening bars of Brown Sugar.
    
    On the subject of key changes I guess I can always crib some of the
    classic ones. Two that spring to mind are the key changes in My Sweet
    Lord. Uses a dim chord somewhere from memory. Also the key change in
    Cat Stevens 'Morning Has Broken'. There's got to be tons of other gems.
    
    Richard
3058.3Some key transitionsGANTRY::ALLBERYJimThu Mar 23 1995 14:2522
    Not particularly inventive or original, but useful:
    
    If you need to move up a fourth (e.g., C to F), when you finish
    the first song, follow the ending I chord with its dominant 7th
    version (follow the ending C with a C7) or some variant (C11 or
    Bb/C).  This will lead you into the new key.
    
    To move up a flat 3rd (e.g., C to Eb), recognize that the destination
    keys relative minor is the minor equivalent of your current key.
    Go to the V7 chord, go back to I, but this time make it minor (C -> G7
    -> Cm).  Move in some fashion to a Bb7 (e.g., Cmin, Fmin, Bb7) and
    resolve to Eb.  Likewise, you could go from G to E minor to E major.
    
    To move up a step, play I, V7 and then the V7 chord of the new key,
    resolving to the new I key (C, G7, A7, D). Or for a less abrupt
    transition: I, V7, III to the V7 of the new key (C, G7, Em, A7, D).
    
    Dominant seventh chords "want" to act as the V chord.  You can use
    the circle of fifths use this resolution to get to where you need
    to be.
    
    Jim
3058.4MADMXX::KNOXRock'n'Roll RefugeeThu Mar 23 1995 18:5017
    
    You can string together all sorts of I, IV, V rock'n'rollers.
    I won't bother re-hashing the transitional chord info from the
    previous reply, but you should be able to string together snippets
    from various rock'n'rollers (it ain't rocket science, even I've done
    it). 
    
    As mentioned before, it's very important to transition from one 
    song to the next as quickly as possible. It's been my experience
    that if a couple is up dancing, and you give them more than a few
    seconds between songs, they'll sit down. I like to give 'em at least
    10 minutes of continuous music before stopping to indulge in some
    snappy reparte` 
    
    /Billy_K
     
    
3058.5NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Thu Mar 23 1995 19:4119
    >>  It's been my experience that if a couple is up dancing, and you 
    >>  give them more than a few seconds between songs, they'll sit down. 
    
    Amen to that.  It doesn't take much to lose the groove.  And it's
    generally impossible to predict which song will start the crowd
    dancing.  My band has occasionally toyed with holding a group of dance
    songs in reserve which we can kick in by shouted agreement when the
    crowd starts dancing.
    
    Probably the saddest (and most amusing) thing is when a couple waits
    until the very end of a slow song to get up to dance, and we know
    there's a rocker coming in the next 15 seconds.
    
    >>  ... stopping to indulge in some snappy reparte`
    
    We always have a case of this stuff sent to the dressing room before
    the show. 
    
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