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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2929.0. "The Flatpicker's Note" by DECWET::TEAGUE () Tue May 10 1994 18:37

Ok, I haven't played much in 10 years, and haven't even owned a guitar
in 5 years.  But I got the fever again recently after listening to Norman
Blake's "Whiskey Before Breakfast", and I'm ready to take up some flatpickin'.  
(I'm originally from Tennessee, so maybe this is some deep inner stirring
to get back to my roots...yeah, right.  But it sure sounds good, doesn't it?)

I've played several guitars, and seem to have settled on a Guild D-4.  Nice
sound, plays well for my hands, and it's priced right...at least compared
to Martins and Gibsons.  Well, maybe anything is priced right when compared
to those two!

So I scanned the notefile and picked up the catalogs for Homespun Tapes.
Because Norman Blake was the one who got me fired up, I'm thinking about
ordering his tape.  Has anyone seen this video?
    
Does anyone have any comments on other Homespun videos, like Doc Watson's
or Happy Traum's Flatpicking instruction?
    
Jim Teague

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2929.1ZYDECO::MCABEErelative moralistWed May 11 1994 12:3413
I haven't seen Norman's video but, if you want to learn _his_ style, that'd
be the way to go.  I'm not sure it would be the best way to learn general
country/bluegrass flatpicking though.  Norman's playing is idiosyncratic
(whatever that means - I think it means that idiots like me can sink a lot of 
time and never make it tick).

Doc Watson's picking technique is a lot closer to some kind of standard
approach, but I have no idea who would be a better teacher.  

I have two Homespun videos (Kevin Burke's Irish fiddle and John Renbourn's
Celtic guitar tunes) and I like them both.  

Bob
2929.2NASSAU::HALLEuripides pants, Eumenides pantsThu May 12 1994 20:4619
    I've always been happy with the Homespun tapes; poisonally speaking,
    though, I have a hard time parting with $50-$60 for a one or two-hour
    video.  I've been much happier with the audio tapes; I think you get a
    lot more bang for your buck.
    
    Something else to consider; I know that here in Colo Spgs, we can go
    down to at least one music store and RENT lots of Homespun videos for
    $4.00/3 days.  You might see if the same applies in Seattle.
    
    To play like either Norman or Doc would be enough for me, but while I'm
    dreaming, I'll play like Tony Rice.
    
    One more thought; Russ Barenberg has an audio series called "Advanced
    Flatpicking" which is very good; he's probably the best teacher of the
    bunch, at least that I've seen.  I believe it may be because he's
    STUDIED the other guys' styles, and can tell you why they sound like
    they do.
    
    Charlie
2929.3HYDRA::BECKPaul BeckFri May 13 1994 02:036
    If you're looking for a wealth of individual bluegrass licks for the
    guitar, check out Orrin Star's book "Hot Licks for Bluegrass Guitar"
    (Oak Publications). It's aimed at the intermediate player (i.e. you
    can already flatpick pretty well, and are getting tired of using the
    same octave run that everybody else uses -- you know the one I
    mean).
2929.4Ignorant Bluegrass wanna beCSOA1::CHANDLERFri May 13 1994 18:227
    
    	Okay,
    		I'll bite.
    
    		I don't know the one you mean. But I am interested.
    
    						Ignorant 
2929.5"The run"HYDRA::BECKPaul BeckFri May 13 1994 18:3815
    I don't have a decent notation, but ...
    
    The notes played for "the run", in G, starting with the low E
    string, are
    
    G--A-Bb-B-D-E-D-G---
    
    where the latter G is an octave higher, and the number of dashes
    following each note indicates how many (very short) beats that note
    is (i.e. if the first note is 1/8, the next 6 notes are 1/16).
    That's not really accurate, either, because the run is somewhat
    syncopated.
    
    I know how to play this run in about 10 different keys on several
    instruments; *writing* it is a bear.
2929.6May Bill Monroe forgive youZYDECO::MCABEErelative moralistFri May 13 1994 19:335
Now wait a minute, Paul.  If you don't play "the run" at least once in a tune,
is it really bluegrass?  I mean what kind of sacrilege are you advocating 
here?  

Bob
2929.7HYDRA::BECKPaul BeckFri May 13 1994 23:2913
    Did I say not to play it? I play it right-side up, up-side down, and
    in-side out on the guitar, and even throw it into the occasional
    mandolin break (I'll probably do it tomorrow in Wilton in some cabin
    tune or other; see the "gigs" note).
    
    Come to think of it, though, I don't think I've ever hear the banjo
    do "the run". That's probably one of the unspoken rules -- only the
    banjo can play "shave and a haircut" and only the guitar can do "the
    run".
    
    Tom Benson used to throw a little bit of "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik"
    into his fiddle break for Foggy Mountain Breakdown (I think). He
    quit doing it for some reason.
2929.8I do it on Banjo,too !PAKORA::JHYNDMANSat May 14 1994 12:0514
    "Them lick"is often done on the banjo,but simplified for banjo
    players;-)
    
  D ---------0------0-----------     Where T,I,M are thumb,index,middle r/h
  B -------0------5-------------     fingers.As you pick and slide the 3rd
  G -0--2 sl 4--7---------------     string,pick 2nd & 1st string,timing
  D ----------------------------     the 1st string to coincide with the
  g -------------------0--------     slide reaching the 4th fret.
     T  T  I M  T I M  T
    
 Special note for banjo players:- The "strings" are the LONG wire bits,and
    the "frets" are the SHORT wire bits.  <:-)
    						Jim.
    
2929.9I got the Norman Blake videoDECWET::TEAGUEThu May 26 1994 18:1220
    
    Thanks for the comments...and the lick reproductions.
    
    I got the video.  I'm impressed: the split screen (or picture-in-
    picture) instruction would be hard to improve on.  And the first tune
    he does is "Whiskey Before Breakfast", one of my favorites.  
    
    Guitar-wise, I ended up buying a spruce/cherry Seagull S6 instead of the 
    Guild D-4.  It sounded great (better than the Guild) and cost more than 
    $100 less...and that included the case.  Hey...I'll buy a Martin after 
    I make my second million.
    
    I'm looking for a couple of other tunes.  Has anybody seen music books
    that contain either "The Old Brown Case" or "Tennessee Stud"?
    
    Jim