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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
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2921.0. "Ty Tabor - King's X" by FRETZ::HEISER (no D in Phoenix) Tue Apr 26 1994 14:21

    This topic is for another great young guitarist who deserves the
    recognition.  He's been mentioned in here quite a few times so it's
    time for his own note.
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2921.1Ty interview with GPFRETZ::HEISERno D in PhoenixTue Apr 26 1994 14:27198
Article 28215 of alt.guitar:
From: jenkinsa@uamont.edu (Anne Jenkins)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Ty Tabor/Guitar Player article/May 94
Date: 21 Apr 1994 17:16:07 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Monticello

From Guitar Player's May 1994 issue:

"Heavier Than Thou:  King's X bare their fangs"
by James Rotondi

	For an angelic-looking guy with a soft-spoken Mississippi drawl, Ty
Tabor sure has a taste for high impact.  He's an avid Houston Rockets fan, a
trophy-winning motocross rider, and the guitarist for the 13-year-old
progressive thunder trio King's X.  Ty's no show-off, but his fluid lead
technique and lush, syncopated rhythm work place him among rock guitar's
compositional elite.  And he likes it *loud*.
	Though revered by many musicians for their flawlessly crafted mix of
mammoth riffs, soulful jams, and pristine three-part harmonies, King's
X--Tabor, bassist Doug Pinnick, and drummer Jerry Gaskill--have never caught
commercial fire to the extent that many had predicted.  Most insiders
expected the band's third album, 1990's _faith hope love_, to deliver the
band to a wider audience; to some extent it did.  The hook-heavy "It's Love"
was an MTV favorite, and the band's stage performances, notably at that
year's Gathering of the Tribes tour, cemented their reputation as an
uncommonly strong concert force.
	But their eponymous 1992 follow-up lacked both the creative juice
and the business support it needed.  The band parted ways with their
longtime manager/co-producer Sam Taylor halfway through a tour and lost
valuable momentum, _King's X_ the album disappeared in the shuffle.
	But it's a new year and a new album for King's X.  In contrast to
polished and sonically ambitious LPs like _Gretchen Goes to Nebraska_ and
_Out of the Silent Planet_, _Dogman_ presents King's X in all their
unmanicured glory.  Produced by Brendan O'Brien of Pearl Jam and Stone
Temple Pilots fame, the new disc finds the 32-year-old Tabor plowing through
12 visceral, pounding cuts that do without aural embellishment.  And like
all their records, _Dogman_ is chock-full of spiritually inquisitive lyrics,
proud melodies, soulful singing, and of course, stunning power guitar.  We
checked in with Ty before the start of their recent U.S. tour.

GP:  The new album is really heavy

Ty:  We've always been a lot heavier live than we've ever been on record, so
the idea was to make a record that reflected more accurately what we sound
like live.  We never knew exactly how to capture energy and rawness in the
studio, which is what Brendan O'Brien helped us to do.  We were almost
scared about it at first.  It was so nonchalant and haphazard, we were
wondering if what we were putting down was any good.  It was a very
pleasurable experience, the most fun we've ever had making an album, because
it didn't feel like we were recording one.  We were almost through tracking
and we were saying things to each other like, "It feels like we aren't
really working at all."  Brendan said, "That's the whole idea."  We were in
and out before we realized it.  No grueling, agonizing hours--just a relaxed
and enjoyable experience.
	We recorded live as much as possible, with overdubs here and there
as needed.  I basically played in mono.  We spent no time getting the
sounds.  I'd find a sound I liked, we'd stick a SM-57 in front of the
cabinet, and start recording.  A lot of tracks on the record are just one
guitar, but I'd occasionally overdub a second guitar to fill out a part and
get something on left and right channels (see "Dog Gear" after this
article for detailed gear report).
	We used so many tracks for guitars on our old albums that I can't
believe we ever got it mixed.  It was ridiculous.  I used eight different
guitar tracks on some songs just for rhythm!  Sometimes a layered track can
really kick the part into the next gear, but for this record it made more
sense to be straight-ahead and simple and let it stand on its own.

GP:  What kind of tunings did you use to achieve that subsonic crunch?

Ty:  We used a dropped-B tuning on "Shoes," "Black the Sky," and "Don't
Care."  I tune the high E, B, G, and D strings to standard pitch, then drop
the E and A strings down to B and F# respectively.  There's also a C tuning
that has C and G on the bottom two strings.  We used that for "Human
Behavior."  Nearly everything else was in dropped-D. [Note: Like Van Halen,
Stevie Ray Vaughan, and Hendrix, King's X "standard" tuning is down a
half-step.]

GP: Even while playing those deep, crunchy figures on the bottom, you don't
sacrifice cool voicings on the top strings.

Ty:  I like a wide range of voicings.  Alex Lifeson inspired me many years
ago to figure out ways of doing that type of thing, having some kind of
mammoth riff with open strings.

GP:  _Dogman_ features a great version of Hendrix's "Manic Depression."

Ty:  We'd never done it, and we didn't even know if we could play it.  There
are mistakes in it, and we didn't even know how to end it or anything.  It
was a joke to us, but it was so fun that we decided, as another bit of
self-indulgence, to stick it on the record.  We listened to the Hendrix
album once or twice to get an idea of the structure, but it's a miracle that
we even got through it at all.  We used to do that sort of thing all the
time back in the old days when we were playing clubs, barely surviving.  We
would stop and ask people what they wanted to hear.  We'd have people try to
stump the band, and we'd try anything as long as one of us knew a part of it. 
One night somebody might ask for a song, and we'd play it.  Then we'd
realize, "Hey, we can add this to the set tomorrow night."  By the end of
our club days, probably half of everything we did was learned that way.

GP:  Did that chemistry make learning originals that much easier as well?

Ty:  No.  When we started working seriously on original tunes and decided to
really go for it, to really hone in on what we wanted to do, it became more
grueling and more like work.  There were more hours of intense scrutiny. 
Once in a while things would come together quickly, but most of the time
they didn't.  Our former manager Sam Taylor had a huge part in helping us to
become more disciplined, to actually work on the music like that.  We're
very glad that he did, because we were very undisciplined musicians until he
got involved.
	We were real happy with all the music that came out on the first
album.  When we first started working really hard together, it suprised us,
because we came up with things that none of us had ever imagined.  When I go
back and listen to any of our records, which is very rare, it's usually
_Gretchen Goes to Nebraska_.  I guess that's sort of a milestone.  I don't
feel like I've done guitar parts as creative as the ones that record since
then, to be honest with you.  It's a different thing we're doing now, and
I'm very happy with it.  It's more straight-ahead, and I enjoy that too.

GP:  _Gretchen_	seemed to be the point at which you arrived at your own
"riff aesthetic," if you will, a sensibility that still pervades _Dogman_.

Ty:  Oh, good.  I sometimes listen to _Dogman_ and think that guitar-wise
the creativeness isn't there.  That's not to demean is at all.  We were
focusing on songs as opposed to individual parts.  The whole intent on this
record was to have some rocking songs, and I'm very happy with them.  But it
seems like on each album since _Gretchen_, I've done less creative work on
guitar.  The new album has the least creative guitar playing I've ever done. 
It's more basic, to the root of the matter, straight-ahead, from-the-gut
playing, but it was appropriate.

GP:  Has there been the sense that one of these King's X records is going to
be the "breakthough" album in terms of sales?

Ty:  We hear that about every album, to the point where we get numb to it
and don't even listen to that anymore.  We didn't do this album our
calculation.  This is just another step, another album, and it's where we're
at right now, what we're wanting to do.  But we always try to be true to
whatever we feel at the moment.  It's been a lot of fun working this stuff
up in rehearsal, too.  I can't wait to play it live and see if anybody likes
it.  We haven't done a gig since the summer of '92.  We've been off,
settling business, changing managament, all kinds of things.  So we're a
little nervous about playing again; we've never had this long a layoff.  But
during that time off, I started riding motocross seriously again.  I even
raced and won a couple of trophies.

GP:  Any parallels between motocross and guitar playing?

Ty:  There's one real serious parallel, and that's the *trance factor*. 
When you're racing, you reach an awareness on the track that supersedes fear
and any of those emotions that you normally have at your ready.  You reach
an intense point with your instincts that you're no longer actually thinking
things out.  You're just going with the concentrated flow.  When you get
into a really great solo, when you're totally lost in it, you forget about
playing. It's very similar, with the exception that screwing up a solo
isn't quite as dangerous as wiping out on a motorcycle.

"Dog Geared"

	It's been a period of change for Ty Tabor and King's X, and gear is
no exception.  Though he favored Fender Strat Elites for a number of years,
Ty now uses custom-built Zion guitars, which were designed with the Elite as
a benchmark.  The Zions were built to Tabor's specifications, which include
a thin, wide neck, a lower fret profile, and a single volume knob that's
tapered to allow him to get good tones at a variety of levels.  The bodies
feature a laminated maple top over basswood, while necks are maple with
rosewood fingerboards.
	The Zions are loaded with three hand-wound, single-coil, Joe Barden
Strat Deluxe replacement pickups, which Ty describes as "very quiet and very
powerful."  Their Resophonic Tremolo Bridges, co-designed by John Mann, have
a rounded back similar to the Strat Elite bridges and a smooth top without
any screws or springs sticking up so Ty can damp strings with the heel of
his right hand.  That damping technique is one reason the bridges are
anchored to the body rather than floating.  "I grew up with that kind of
bridge," says Tabor, "so I'm able to do more things naturally."  Because he
no longer uses a locking nut and hates changing strings, Tabor prefers
Sperzel locking tuners.  The Zions also feature push-button on/off switches
for all the pickups, so he can select whatever configuration he desires. 
Zion is preparing a limited run of Ty Tabor signature models which Ty will
hand-sign.  His strings are GHS Boomers, .009 though .042.
	Ty's amp setup has always been shrouded in mystery--he reputedly
used a Lab Series L-5 solid-state amp in conjunction with the Marshalls--but
he claims to have come clean.  "I use the Mesa Dual Rectifier 100-watt Solo
head as a preamp with a Mesa 2:90 stereo tube power amp,"  he says.  "I
don't really switch channels, either.  I just put it on the heavier channel,
turn everything up wide open with the exception of the master volume, and
cut the presence back slightly."  The amp powers three Mesa 4x12 cabs.
	Ty's Mesa MIDI Matrix Switcher accesses his rack effects, which
include an Alesis Midiverb for chorusing, an Ibanez DD-2 2-channel delay,
and an old Boss CE-2 chorus pedal.  On the floor he has a Dunlop CryBaby wah
and a custom preamp box with the guts of a Strat Elite preamp, but it's
powered *off*.  "If I run directly into my system without this box, it has
too sharp an upper-mid and is kind of ugly," says Ty.  "So I run into this
box, which damps that one particular frequency perfectly."  Ty is a big fan
of the E-Bow (check out the outro solo in "Cigarettes") and enjoyed playing
through a Leslie cabinet on a number of _Dogman_ cuts, including "Pretend."
	While busting whoop de whoops for motocross trophies, Ty roughrides
a Honda CR-250. :)
2921.2Woodstock momentPOLAR::KFICZEREThu Jan 19 1995 11:5010
    	I caught them at Woodstock! Truth is ....
    
    	They were my the highlight (IMHO) of the event!!!
    	Friday night, great weather, good vibes, WICKED tunz.
    
    	kevin
    
    	( and I still don't own any of thier material....I'm pathetic )
    
    
2921.3PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallTue Apr 30 1996 14:371
    May 21 - "Ear Candy" will be released
2921.4PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallWed Jun 12 1996 15:095
    The subject of the Drop D tuning reminded me that the new CD is out.  I
    got it yesterday and have been getting my "Ear Candy" fix since.  Ty
    should has a great sound!
    
    Mike
2921.5RICKS::CALCAGNIjust back'in over the catsWed Jun 12 1996 16:215
    Heard a snippet (2 tunes worth); these particular tunes seemed to have
    a strong Beatles vibe.  Is that indicative of the record as a whole?
    
    /rick
    
2921.6not a fan of either groupSUBPAC::GOLDIEResident AlienWed Jun 12 1996 16:245
    
    the whole Beatles influences can be heard on their last album too.
    
    
    							ian
2921.7BUSY::SLABOUNTYDo you wanna bang heads with me?Wed Jun 12 1996 16:386
    
    	The new album seemed to "drone" on and on, IMO.
    
    	Nothing really grabbed me, like "Out of My Head" or "Everybody
    	Knows a Little Bit of Something" or "Moanjam" did.
    
2921.8PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallWed Jun 12 1996 16:4110
    I have all 7 of their CDs.  The Beatlesque vocal work (with the hard
    rock sound/heavy bottom) is a standard trademark of theirs.  Each
    member of the trio takes a turn on lead vocals on the albums.  Very
    talented trio!
    
    My personal favorite is their 2nd CD, which was a theme album based on
    a C.S. Lewis book, called "Gretchen Goes to Nebraska."  It's an
    incredible album - and a good introduction to the band.
    
    Mike
2921.9BUSY::SLABOUNTYDogbert's New Ruling Class: 100KWed Jun 12 1996 17:1715
    
    	7??
    
    	OK, how about naming the 1 that I don't have.
    
    	Are they all readily available?
    
    
King's X                                              Dogman
King's X                                              Ear Candy
King's X                                              Faith Hope Love
King's X                                              Gretchen Goes to Nebraska
King's X                                              King's X
King's X                                              Out of the Silent Planet
    
2921.10;-)PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallWed Jun 12 1996 18:291
    No, I will not.
2921.11SSDEVO::LAMBERTWe ':-)' for the humor impairedWed Jun 12 1996 20:0710
   Interesting...  I ran into this band via the CCM connection, and didn't
   realize I was supposed to be listening to the guitar work.  :-)  I've got
   "Out of the Silent Planet" and one other on tape.  Okay, but pretty
   generic "rock and roll" sounding to my ears.

   -- Sam

   P.S.  "It's Love" could _be_ a Beatles song.  The harmonies are right out
   of the Abbey Road period...

2921.12new to King's XGAVEL::DAGGThu Jun 13 1996 11:0112
    I think I read in GP that Ty and band also tune the whole
    guitar down, like a half or whole step.  Of course "drop D"
    (which I believe is lowering the lowest string only 
    a whole step) in that case would be either drop D-flat or drop-C, 
    if I understand correctly.  This was interesting in 
    that Ty uses relatively light strings (9s) to keep 
    a clearer sound.
    
    Dave
      
    
      
2921.13KDX200::COOPERHeh heh - Not likely palThu Jun 13 1996 11:439
    I'd like to know how he gets that tone... RIPPIN'!
    
    I'd read once that he uses some ancient gibson amp and preamps
    a rack with it...But he wouldn't tell what it was...
    
    It smoulders, thats for sure...
    
    jc
    
2921.14ASABET::pelkey.ogo.dec.com::pelkeyprofessional hombreThu Jun 13 1996 12:1218
    <I think I read in GP that Ty and band also tune the whole
    <guitar down, like a half or whole step.  

If I had a buck for each band that tuned to E-flat I'd
retire..

80% of ALL the country guys do it, and probably half the
rock bands...

It's popular in Rock, cause it saves the vocals, it's
REAL heavy in country cuz the guys can use fat strings, 
and still bend the be-jeezus out of em...

I've done it before, and after I got used to it, i still
didn't like it....  It's sort-of became a hassel when jamming
with people who tune to E...  Broke fewer strings though...


2921.15Drop DPHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Jun 13 1996 14:077
    Van Halen does this a lot too.  
    
    Ty plays and endorses Zion guitars now.  He has his own signature
    model, very expensive too.  The amp remains to be rumors, speculations,
    and secrets.
    
    Mike
2921.16SUBPAC::GOLDIEResident AlienThu Jun 13 1996 14:146
    
    his amp is no secret,he mention what he uses in an old edition of
    guitar player(1-2 months ago)I'll try and find it tonight and write
    down the deal!
    
    						ian
2921.17BUSY::SLABOUNTYFUBARThu Jun 13 1996 14:406
    
    	Heiser, you weren't kidding when you said you wouldn't tell me
    	the name of the 7th album, were you?
    
    	8^)
    
2921.18PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Jun 13 1996 15:151
    You'll never know.
2921.19BUSY::SLABOUNTYForeplay? What's that?Thu Jun 13 1996 15:434
    
    	If I wanted this kind of cooperation I would have gotten mar-
    	ried.  8^)
    
2921.20PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Jun 13 1996 16:061
    Married?!  I don't even know you.  Besides, I'm already taken.
2921.21KDX200::COOPERHeh heh - Not likely palThu Jun 13 1996 16:103
    and without Mike, Shawm you're doomed to the life of a single...
    
    :-)
2921.22BUSY::SLABOUNTYForget the doctor - get me a nurse!Thu Jun 13 1996 16:366
    
    	Heiser, I didn't say I would have married you.
    
    	I wouldn't even JOKE about something like that, for several
    	reasons.  8^)
    
2921.23PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Jun 13 1996 16:395
    Shawn, you remind me of the old joke:
    
    "how do you keep a {insert-favorite-ethnic-group} in suspense?"
    
    "I'll tell ya tomorrow."
2921.24BUSY::SLABOUNTYForm feed = &lt;ctrl&gt;v &lt;ctrl&gt;lThu Jun 13 1996 16:583
    
    	Good, then I'll check back tomorrow.
    
2921.25DABEAN::REAUMEvintage rackerFri Jun 14 1996 09:557
    
      Supposedly Ty's "amp secret" was his use of a Lab Series L5 amp. He
    did some unusual stuff in the way he set it up, but that was what he
    used on "gretchen". In recent years he has fessed up to a using a 
    Mesa Dual Rectifier. 
      
      Agreed on his tone though, one of my favorites.
2921.26MKOTS3::GRENIERThu Jun 20 1996 21:0818
    The secret album is...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Getting tired of this?   8^)
    
    
    
    Building Blox!  This is a promo compilation of songs from
    'Out of the Silent Planet' through 'Dogman'.  It also has
    an acoustic version of 'Shot of Love'.
2921.27PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Jun 21 1996 13:353
    Actually that wasn't the one I had in mind.  I was thinking of...
    
    how to get out of the typo I made (6 instead of 7).  I'll buy 7 now.
2921.28KDX200::COOPERHe who laughs last, thinks slowestFri Jun 21 1996 15:063
    Anyone else using more than a couple of <FF>'s will be drawn
    and quartered.  Check Braveheart for a visual of what this means.
    :-)
2921.29anything but the kiltPHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Jun 21 1996 15:114
    ...but do we have to wear the kilt too?
    
    btw - one of the more historically accurate films to come out of
    Hollywood.  Disney take notice!
2921.30entertaining yes,historically acurate not reallySUBPAC::GOLDIEResident AlienFri Jun 21 1996 15:1410
    
    re-1
    
    Braveheart historically acurate?
    
    
    
    not really!
    
    						ian
2921.31KDX200::COOPERHe who laughs last, thinks slowestFri Jun 21 1996 15:344
    But, according to my book on Scottish history (thanks Ian), William
    Wallace WAS drawn and quartered...  That HAD to hurt - So beware of 
    moderators with funny looking implements...
    :-)
2921.32PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Jun 21 1996 15:366
    We were discussing this in my political science class yesterday.  There
    is some question about whether they got the right William or not, but
    the storyline wasn't nearly as bad as the revisionist history Disney is
    putting out.
    
    Mike
2921.33I didn't even know they had terminals back thenRICKS::CALCAGNIjust back'in over the catsFri Jun 21 1996 15:361
    
2921.34;-)PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Jun 21 1996 15:373
    Yeah they did...
    
    terminal illnesses
2921.35Barnicles and brineSSDEVO::LAMBERTWe ':-)' for the humor impairedFri Jun 21 1996 18:416
   Yeah, revisionists.  That hunchback never did get the girl.  :-)

   Drawn and quartered was bad, but keel-hauling really sucked.

   -- Sam

2921.36SUBPAC::GOLDIEResident AlienFri Jun 21 1996 18:456
    
    
    ...and didn't Quasimodo die in the book?
    
    
    						ian
2921.37lots of revisionist history there tooPHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Jun 21 1996 19:001
    likewise for Pocahantas.  
2921.38KDX200::COOPERHe who laughs last, thinks slowestSun Jun 23 1996 13:425
    "What shall we do with the drunken sailor
     what shall we do with the drunken sailor
     what shall we do with the drunken sailor
     Ear-ly in the morning..."
    
2921.39PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Aug 09 1996 17:425
    If anyone questions Phil Keaggy's influence on Ty Tabor all they have 
    to do is listen to the outro solo on "A Box."  The E-Bow and volume swells 
    are a dead giveaway.
    
    Mike
2921.40POLAR::KFICZEREFri Oct 04 1996 13:113
2921.41BUSY::SLABToo much oral defecation&quot;Fri Oct 04 1996 13:146
2921.42PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Fri Oct 04 1996 17:142
2921.43POLAR::KFICZEREFri Oct 04 1996 18:594
2921.44PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Mon Oct 07 1996 14:115