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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2876.0. "ART Effects Unit Problem - Help!" by SEDOAS::MILLER_N () Wed Jan 12 1994 10:34

    I have an ART DRX2100 guitar effects processor, bought here in the UK.
    This unit has a fantastic array of sounds including Pitch Shift,
    graphic, in fact some 60 basic effects that can then be mixed.
    
    The unit works well in most respects and is easy to edit and recall
    programmes (I use a Rolls midi pedal), however I am left with one basic
    problem - it seems to screw up my basic guitar-amp sound especially the
    overdriven sound.   As this basic sound is more important to me than
    any other the unit is of late lying dormant whilst I'm gigging with my
    old basic stomp boxes.
    
    My set up is Yamaha SG2000 & Fender Stage 185 Dual channel amp.  I
    connect the ART rack via the send return loop (Pre-amp out/Power amp
    in) but have also tryed it front loaded.  I have also played around
    extensively with the Dry/Wet (Analog & Digital) mix, and the
    input/output levels but still can't get the same sound.
    
    I seem to loose some top and bottom end whilst gaining an extra not so
    pleasent distortion, although only slight.
    
    Any ideas - of am I expecting too much of a Digital type rack, maybe
    they all screw the basic guitar sound (this is my first venture into
    this technology), in which case I guess I'll be going back to basics!
    
    Any help greatly appreciated.
    
    Dusty Guitar Miller - Leatherhead, England
    
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2876.1Digital = ColorMEELT::POWELLWed Jan 12 1994 13:1810
Most digital effects processor will color the sound and affect the headroom,
even if bypassed. If you have a bypass program built and the sound is still 
not to your liking, the best workaround is to change your signal routing with
a simple switch box.

By the way, the DRX suffers from a transformer hum that can get downright
annoying over time. A simple fix (blessed by ART) is to  place a 3 inch
length of bicycle tire tubing on top of the transformer. I tried it on mine
and and it works great. I was somewhat concerned with heat, but after 4 months
of operation it seems okay.  
2876.2ThanksSEDOAS::MILLER_NThu Jan 20 1994 09:099
    Thanks for the info - I haven't noticed the mains hum prob', maybe not
    apparent in the UK?
    
    Thanks for the other info, looks like the rack might be short lived
    then.....unless a split/direct return dry signal fixes the problem!!
    
    Cheers
    
    Nigel
2876.3Distortion typesSPESHR::WAIBLEThu Jan 20 1994 12:4124
    I like what the racks can do but I'm still gigging using analog boxes
    because they can be used in conjunciont with the overdirven sound built
    into the amp. Apparently if there is any analog overdriven sound in
    your signal you CANNOT and should not use the overdriven sound supply
    digitally in the rack. you etiher have to use the overdriven sound with
    the amp ( and then all the other rack effects are fine eq, compression
    chrousing etc) or you have to set the amp to 'clean' and use the rack
    distorition. I was pretty dissappointed when I learned about this
    shortcoming and held off on getting  a rack.
    
    	re-reeading this note it sounds confusing but the whole idea is
    dont mix distortion types. you can use tube screamers and the like
    wioth say the over driven sound of a mesa boogie or marshall
    overdirve(infact it gives you more choices) but if you're going to use
    the rack distortion set the amp to the clean channel. (and you can
    switch back and forth from these scenarios with a switch box)
    
    
    
    
    					happy twanging,
    
    						Fred
    
2876.4Mine's CleanSEDOAS::MILLER_NFri Jan 21 1994 13:4414
    Cheers Fred - yes I think I followed that!
    
    The ART Rack I'm using is time delay effects only and I rely on purely
    the amp's overdriven sound, but the rack has a 'limiting' effect that
    seems to spoil the overdriven sound making it a bit thinner & more
    middly.  I'm going to try looping back a dry feed from the preamp
    direct to the power amp and also splitting the loop so that I also feed
    the rack, that way I should at least get some of my original sound!  
    If that fails the the rack goes and it's back to good old analog stomp
    boxes!
    
    Cheers
    
    Nigel (Dusty) Miller
2876.5"X-15?"JUPITR::NLAMOUREUXSTORMIN'NORMANMon Feb 07 1994 10:1525
                                 DUSTY RHODES?
    
         Hey Dusty,
    
                    Maybe you can help me out on this?
                    I have the "ART", "SGX-2000" and the "X-15 ULTRAFOOT"
    and havin' a bitch of a time tryin' to get the SOUNDS that I want!
                    I can program my "SGX" to sound great through head-
    phones but when I put it through two amps, 50 ft. apart, in Stereo it
    sound TOTALLY different!
                    Figure this is "STATE OF THE A.R.T." technology and
    it's just a question of working with it?
                    Anyhow my real question is concerning the
    footcontroller?  Is there a SIMPLE process to initiate or recall a 
    preset from the footcontrollers or pads?
                    I've read the manaul a few times but it doesn't make
    things clear & simple?
                    Can you help?........
    
                                                         Guitar Is King !
                                                              
                                                             STORM'N
    
    SHREWSBUY, MA. / USA 
    
2876.6I'm lucky to have a stageGIDDAY::KNIGHTPThere's room for you insideMon Feb 07 1994 20:459
    re -1
    
    	"two amps 50 ft apart??????"
    
    	You must play some big  venues   8^).
    
    
    
    P.K
2876.7SNAPSEDOAS::MILLER_NWed Feb 23 1994 13:4221
    Re -2
    
    Sorry Norm' but I don't use the X15, I use a Rolles midi pedal to
    switch the ART patches - or rather I would if I was happy with the
    sound of the unit....I'm losing hope myself and think I'll be trading
    in the rack for something else - another guitar or something.   I know
    what you mean about the ART user guide - boy is that over-complicated
    or what!?
    
    Sounds like you might had a similar problem to me - once in the effects
    loop the DRX2100 seems to remove a lot of the harmonics and top/bottom
    frequencies from my (overdriven) sound.  I can detect a similar change
    in the clean sound too - in sterio with 2 amps (6 feet apart) but it
    seems okay on headphones, but that could just be different
    characteristics of the phones.
    
    If you find an answer please let me know!!
    
    Regards
    
    Dusty