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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2748.0. "Unplugged!" by KEEGAN::TURNER () Wed Jun 09 1993 09:37

    From reading various topics in this conference, I've noticed that many of 
    you favour practising *unplugged* at home. Perhaps "favour" isn't the right
    word; you maybe have a 100W Marshall that's not exactly suitable for home 
    use and you don't want to shell out for a small practice amp that's light 
    years away from your live sound. I know the problem well; I've got a 15W 
    practice amp back in the UK, but I've never got roung to lugging it out 
    here ("here" being Italy). And with a 2-year old baby who goes to bed at 
    9.30, I'd probably end up using the earphone socket all the time anyway!
    
    So I'd be interested to know what are your thoughts on playing solid
    bodies unplugged. I recall when I was first learning to play, an old 
    schoolfriend of mine told me that there's nothing like an accoustic
    guitar for "showing up" your mistakes, i.e. the electric guitar does
    wonders for hiding the flaws in your technique! But can playing
    unplugged be detrimental (inferior vibrato technique, use of sustain, 
    etc.)? Have I anything to fear from playing 10n hours unplugged to n hours
    through the amp?
    
    Maybe I'll be lugging that practice amp over this summer...
    
    Dom 
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2748.1Me And My Imaginary SVTTECRUS::ROSTI need air freshener under the drumsWed Jun 09 1993 10:2914
    When I first started playing electric bass, I thought you couldn't hear
    it without an amp, but over the years I've found that's not the case. 
    What you don't hear is the "full" tone since the solid body doesn't
    project the full frequency spectrum well.  But you can definitely
    detect pitch and hear what you're playing.  In fact, things like fret
    noises are perhaps more obvious playing unplugged.  
    
    You will definitely not get long sustains possible when plugged in, and
    you can't practice controlled feedback  8^)  
    
    Sometimes when watching TV, I'll just sit and plunk away on my scales
    and I hear it fine...so does my wife who usually asks me to stop it!
    
    							Brian
2748.2The medium is the messageSUBSYS::GODINWed Jun 09 1993 10:3815
    I've found that the type of instrument (acoustic/electric) & amp setup
    definitely affects the kind of song I *write* when I'm in a song
    writing mood. I've also noticed that if the string sizes & tensions of
    the 2 instruments are much different that I have to play a while to get
    back into the groove of the other one. I've also noticed that I've
    found ways of doing things on acoustic that I doubt I would have
    thought of on electric but that come in handy when I later switch back
    to electric. 
    I use extra light strings on my electric, & something a lot heavier on
    the acoustic. If you wanted to minimize the impact of the difference,
    use similar strings on both.
    I've also spent a lot of time playing the electric with no amp, & I
    find it helps me, but your results may vary.
    
    Paul
2748.3STRAT + ELECTRICITY = SOUNDLUNER::DUBOIS_RWed Jun 09 1993 12:0710
    I personaly do not like playing an electric unplugged. It has an effect
    on the sound which has an effect on my playing. I also find I will put
    it down after a couple of minutes of playing. I invested in a headphone
    amp a few years back when I was living in an appartment building. Done
    to keep from being thrown out. I use this amp all the time now...even
    though I don't rent any longer. My wife can watch TV, the kids can
    sleep...and I can play and have it sound the way I like it...plugged
    in. If you do any multi-track recording these amps are great. 
    Bob
    
2748.4it affects your toneGOOROO::DCLARKwarning: contents under pressureWed Jun 09 1993 12:456
    I think you're better off playing an electric plugged in. I used
    to play mine unplugged a lot and found that I picked a lot harder
    when it wasn't plugged in so that I could hear it. But that real
    hard picking sounded lousy at when the guitar was plugged in. 
    
    - Dave
2748.5GOES11::G_HOUSESon of SpamWed Jun 09 1993 13:507
    I think I have to agree with the last couple of responses.  I've done a
    lot of practicing with electrics unplugged and while I like that, and
    it's good for certain things, I also find that I start picking up "bad
    habits" that don't translate well to having the thing plugged in.  So
    then when I plug it in, I have to rethink my "technique".
    
    Greg
2748.6NWACES::HICKERNELLSubmit to Wally.Wed Jun 09 1993 15:237
    I agree with .4.  I'm just learning electric guitar, but I've already
    found I play it harder unplugged than plugged.  Maybe that's because
    I'm a beginner, but I recommend buying a headphone amp.
    
    Of course, any kind of practicing is better than not practicing at all!
    
    Dave
2748.7GOES11::G_HOUSESon of SpamWed Jun 09 1993 15:503
>    Of course, any kind of practicing is better than not practicing at all!
    
    Amen there, bro!
2748.8TECRUS::ROSTI need air freshener under the drumsWed Jun 09 1993 18:4311
    Rebuttal for those who say that unplugged practice leads to bad habits:
    
    When I'm doing *serious* practicing, I'll plug in.  When I'm watching
    Oprah and wanna just mindlessly run scales, unplugged is OK and loud
    enough, as far as I'm concerned.  
    
    I *do* advocate a good headphone amp when you need low volume.  A
    headphone amp plus a tape deck and a drum machine is a great practicing
    setup.  
    
    						Brian
2748.9Record your practice sessions?LUNER::KELLYJsubmit to BarneyWed Jun 09 1993 19:0910
    Yo, Brian, to pick up on something in your note, do you record your
    practice sessions?  I just started doing that...what an ear-opener!
    I listen to the tapes the next morning on the way to work and I really
    can pick out the weak spots in my playing.  For example, I heard my
    picking on descending passages as very uneven in both time and
    dynamics; now I'm trying concentrate on fixing that.
    
    Just another 100 years or so of practicing and I'll be an adequate
    player.
    
2748.10GOES11::G_HOUSESon of SpamWed Jun 09 1993 19:5510
    re: .9
    
    Interestingly enough, I was just reading Howard Roberts' column in a
    recent issue of Guitar Player yesterday and he recommended recording
    all your (individual) practice sessions and making use of the
    recordings a part of your normal practice regime.  Said it really
    helped point out problems that you might not hear when you're
    concentrating on playing.
    
    Greg
2748.11CHEFS::BRIGGSRFour Flat Tyres on a Muddy RoadThu Jun 10 1993 06:4620
    
    A related point....
    
    I find that practising with the amp turned down (to 'domestic
    environment' levels, say 5 watts or so max) is a different ball
    game to playing at 80 watts. Here's a little challenge just to prove my
    point. Just try playing the melody for Baa Baa Black Sheep at miminal
    volume. Sounds fine doesn't it? Now wack the volume up to 60 watts plus
    and listen to all those rough edges. Fingers catching adjacent strings,
    awful sounding slides, buzzing  etc etc. Even the quality of the pick 
    stands out.
    
    I started thinking along these lines some years ago when I was
    discussing the technical merits of Hank Marvin with a guitar instructor
    I had at the time. His comment was "You try playing a perfectly clean
    melody line with absolutely no flaws at 200 watts plus in front of a
    couple of thousand people. You can get away with rough edges in blues
    and rock but not with this type of music."
    
    Richard
2748.12so *that's* why I haven't improved....NAVY5::SDANDREAWally the One Eyed WormFri Jun 11 1993 13:055
    
    
    practice?.......you guys practice?
    
    
2748.13GOES11::G_HOUSESon of SpamFri Jun 11 1993 15:361
    Not nearly enough, dude, not nearly enough.
2748.14enjoy it!NAVY5::SDANDREAJammin' DRTRDRFri Jun 11 1993 15:584
    >>Not nearly enough, dude, not nearly enough.
    
    
    
2748.15practice?ZYMRGY::samI made life easy just by laughingFri Jun 11 1993 16:386
   Who needs practice when you've got band rehearsal twice a week?  :-)

   Actually, come to think of it, I did put in a couple of hours last night
   on my own.  Still learnin' how to get the most out of the 12 string.

   -- Sam
2748.16KURMA::IGOLDIESecond heat..!Sun Jun 13 1993 07:219
    what I do for practice is to get out my box o' tricks(korg a5)and plug
    headphones into it and leave out my amp altogether until I feel like
    playing through the amp.With having such as small place and thin walls
    I can't crank it up as often as I like so the headphones/korg a5 works
    for me!~
    
    
    
    it's just a pity I can't play for toffee! 8)
2748.17DABEAN::REAUMEDo I hear a chainlift?Sun Jun 13 1993 17:4814
    
      I use my Tascam 424 multi-tacker as my primary practice device. My
    guitar is fed through the H & K ACCESS (w/ the Rocktron effects in FX
    loop B) out the recording out - into the multitracker. Sometimes
    I use the ACCESS stereo into the multitracker since the stereo effect
    is fairly intense with the headphones on (I set up two channels on the
    Tascam for playback, learning songs or a jam track, and the other two
    for my stereo guitar signal. My Korg A5 seems to work well in this 
    arrangement as well, I use it for a "quick set-up" practice. The ACCESS
    obviously sounds better (and costs a *lot* more).
       With a 2-1/2 year old daughter and 5 month old son, I have to have
    that headphone practice capability.
    
    							-B{}{}M-