Conference napalm::guitar

    I don't think anyone's started planning a Vol. V yet.  Anyone up for
    it?
    
    Greg (who'd probably be willing to do it, but has the neverending
          cassette deck problems right now)

    
    	How about a guitar notes tape with GUITAR being the featured
    	instrument instead of vocals ??
    
    	How about an instrumental only tape?  Maybe, like the recent
    	Guitar Player, a Blues tape?  
    
    	Something that wouldn't fit (or be of interest ;^) to a
    	musicnotes or commusic tape?
    
    	No teasin', 8 bars in the middle stuff - let's rip for a	
    	change!!
    
    	Tom
    

    Hmmmmm ... that could be interesting ...
    
    Would non_DECcies be welcome ?  See, by the time this thing gets
    rolling (trust me, I know how thet go ...) I won't be DEC anymore.
    
    Jerry ....

    I'd be willing to compile G_N_5 - I've got a couple tunes to submit.
    Instrumental stuff would be cool, but I think that it shouldn't be
    mandatory, as not everyone is a instrumental type player.  Like me
    (for instance :) - my stuff comes as part of a band, or you wouldn't
    wanna hear it.  :)
    
    jc

    >    Instrumental stuff would be cool, but I think that it shouldn't be
    >    mandatory, as not everyone is a instrumental type player.  Like me
    
    
    Apparently, the "band-orientation" of GN V4 wasn't well received by the
    noting masses...

    
    	Sheesh, Coop.  With all the notes you put in about tone, licks,
    	players, effects, etc... - you're the part _I_ want to hear.
    
    	And Buck's right.  Just a few reviews.  And I'm sure he's heard
    	more than the rest of us since he did all the dubbing.
    
    	Tom
    

    Tom - I'm not your style - trust me.  :)
    
    I certainly don't have the chops or the time to sit down and do a
    Satriani style tune... I do however, have time to be recorded with
    my band which we do all the time.
    
    jc

    I was also wondering which tape out of the four do you all think
    was the best music on it?
    
    I have only wrote one instrumental in my life and all it is is a 
    E C D E progression... I use the vocals to enhance to song.. nobody
    would want to hearme solo for over 20 seconds anyway..
    

    I have copies of all four tapes, and the master for Volume 1, however
    my cassette situation is such that I don't have anything working
    correctly to make copies on right now.  Perhaps someone else can help
    you out.
    
    Greg

    sorry about .6   I meant to enter it into another note.   It's in
    the general discussion note right now, but I may move it.
    
    Mark
    

    RE: Greg
    
    If ya wanna come over and dub the stuff on my deck, no prob!
    
    jc

    Why not do a (massively) parallel release (instrumental vs. 'usual')?
    
    I might be able to help w/dubbing, depending on the time frame...
    I'm OOT until November.  -jn-

     I'm in favor of a "open" submission policy of both instrumental and
     vocal songs. Personally I find instrumental tunes to be kind of
     dull. Besides, I have a bunch of vocal tunes ready or almost ready
     to be submitted. ;^)
    
     In any case, has someone volunteered to compiled volume 5?
    
     
    Tom
    
    ---
    Dictated with Dragon Dictate.
    

    I volunteered.  Send me tapes.
    
    Jeff Cooper
    PO BOX 4199
    681 Whispering Winds Dr.
    Woodland Park, CO. 80866

    Well, If any of Coops stuff is on the tape, I'd be REAL interested in
    getting a copy (not so sure I'd subject anyone to my playing though.) 
    I heard his stuff with Hardball and in heavy metal, I gotta admit that
    its about the best playing I've heard on a tape. I thought the "best"
    was a rush type power trio I knew years ago, but Coops stuff tops it.
    In my opinion, its really worth a listen. 
    
    jk

    You have to get the tapes to hear Buck, Tom DesRochers, and Bob Conroy,
    Tom Benson, and Jerry White too!

    Don't be so modest, Mike, your stuff on the last tape was also
    excellent!
    
    Greg

    Yeah Mike, your "Melt down" licks and monsterous tone cannot be
    overlooked!

    Jeeeeez man !  Mega-wow.  Thanks dood, I'll be giving my notice 
    now... *!blush!*  These guys are right tho - you gotta hear some 
    of these GUITAR tapes - some GREAT stuff - there are definately
    some fret burners in this conference!
    
    So - is anyone gonna take me up on my offer to compile the next 
    release??  I'll put a couple tunes on to see if I can live up to 
    the swollen head I just got from Jays note.  Who else ?
    
    Thanks Jay,
    jc

    I have an instrumental ready that I wrote the night before my wife's
    surgery.  It's called "Under the Blade." ;-)
    
    Mike

Surgery dood ?!??

Whats the deal?

Send it - Send it !!

PO Box 4199
Woodland  Park, CO
80866

After we get out of the studio I'll have something for it, I expect to begin/wrap
our studio effort in about 4-5 weeks.

dbii

    I'll have something too, but not for about 6 more weeks.  We're just
    starting rehearsals for the material for our next recording project and
    (judging by the results last night), it'll be awhile before we get
    started with the actual recording.
    
    Greg

    
    	I'm in too.  But I'm waiting for some inspiration (not quite
    	like Mike's tho ;)  Mine will be instrumental blues something
    	or other.  
    
    	Hope everyone rips it for this one...  I mean, each and every
    	one of us are guitarsluts, right?  Let's throw taste out the
        window!!	                                                            
    
    	I've seen Buck play several times - I'm waiting for his entry
    	where I can picture those great faces when he hits those 2nd
    	fret harmonics and dive bombs...
    
    	And where the heck is Fred Abatelli ???
    
    	Tom
      

Excellent - let me know before anyone sends anything, as I'm moving
from Woodland Park to The Springs and my address will change.

RE: Greg 

I'd like to be in on the engineering (at least as an observer) cuz
I need to learn some stuff !!
jc

    
    I'm hoping to get something together for this one too....
    
    I love instrumentals...
    
    
    guy

    I'm gonna submit something on this even if I gotta lock myself in the
    music room for a whole weekend. I'm not much of a singer so you can 
    expect instrumentals from me.
    
    This is good. I *need* a reason to get focused on recording up some of
    my stuff. My self discipline breaks down completely when the weather's fair
    and the golf course bekons. 
    
    (Golf...now there's another cursed habit...damn...I got 'em both, golf 
    and guitaring - and I'm workin on acquiring a pool habit...I know I'd 
    be better off if I did drugs - least I'd have a smile on my 
    face alla time)  
    
    
    "sakman"

    Yeah my "inspiration" was unfortunate, but all that anxiety and tension
    yielded an effort that I'm proud of.
    
    Mike

    gee, I'd like to submit sumthin!  I know zip/squat 'bout recording, nor
    do I have equipment, or access to equipment.....sigh.
    
    Steve (sittn' the sidelines and pouting)

    So, you get yourself a boombox a C90 Cassette, grab your jammin' 
    partner and have at it !!  This isn't a recording quality contest 
    ya know...
    
    Sheeesh, Bulldawgs is so silly...

    >>So, you get yourself a boombox a C90 Cassette, grab your jammin'
    >>partner and have at it !!  This isn't a recording quality contest
    >>ya know...
    
    I had a "quality" submission in mind, however.  I'd just love to do at
    least a two track with a rythm guitar and a lead...a little Bulldawg
    blues or southern rock soundin' thang....loan me yer recording stuff?
    I'll mail it back to ya safe and sound!
    
    >>Sheeesh, Bulldawgs is so silly...
    
    Grrrrrrr  8^)
    
Steev-a-reeno

    BTW,
    
    is fancy-schmancy recording equipment rentable?  How long would it take
    me to get the hang of it for a 'rough' submission?  How many tracks can
    I lay down without needing a Masters degree in this technology?  Can I
    hear what I'm sending into the machine?  Are they big?  Do I just plug
    my axe right into the bugger?  How do I balance the input signal for
    the different tracks? 
    
    answers, answers, I need answers!
    
    Steev

    
    	Heck, just get one of those backing tapes for blues, jazz,
    	or country, etc... get a radio shack mixer for $25, use
    	your walkman for the input, mix your guitar in, and you're
    	all set!!
    
    	Those backing tapes are the best!  Crank the stereo, plug
    	in, and "see ya in an hour, honeybunch!!"
    
    	Gary Moore_better_blues
    

     >>     Heck, just get one of those backing tapes for blues, jazz,
     >>     or country, etc... get a radio shack mixer for $25, use
     >>     your walkman for the input, mix your guitar in, and you're
     >>     all set!!
       
    where do I get a "backing tape"?
    
    Steve               

Bulldawg,

You could probably rent (beg, borrow or steal) a quality 4 track portastudio
of one kind or another.  The degree of skill you need to have varies with the 
gear you use.  A simple four track cassette based machine is pretty easy to 
become a wiz at...  

Beware though - you can catch a MAJOR bug doin' this...  It's a LOT of fun,
and 4 tracks become a little limited if you catch the bug.  :)  Then you
have to have an 8 track, then a rack full of EQ's, compressors, gates,
verbs, delays etc...etc...

There is an excellent conference on home recording.  Hit KP7 or SELECT to
enter it into your notebook.  :)

    re: -1
    
    uh-oh, another source for the GTS virus....I'm already testing 
    "Toy Syndrom Positive", Icould actually come down with the disease
    in a hot flash!
    
    Steve (runnin' a GTS temperature)

    
    	Steve - see 2067.62+
    
    	The Modern Blues, Blues, and Jazz are tons of fun and will
    	be what I use for my submission.  
    
    	Nothin' like playin' blues after a day here lately...
    
    

    
    
        Backing tapes?   Hey, COOL!!!    I can play along with someone
    without having them there to laugh at me?!?    MAJOR COOL!!!  So, 
    where might these thangs be?  (Why the hell do I have a drum machine
    and a synth?)
    
        Why as why?
    
    
        DainBread O'Loughlin
    
    

    I called Acton  Music and talked to Jack.  He's gonna mail me the
    backing tapes of my choice if I can't find them locally.  Nice guy.
    I figure, worse case, I can make a low cost Noters submission by
    playing along with the backing tape while recording both it and me with
    a microphone/tape deck.
    
    Kinda like "Bulldawg Live" at the......den of his home...neighboorhood
    tour '92!  I could sell shirts to my kid's friends!
    
    What's the submission deadline and to whom/where do I send my tape?
    
    Steev

    I just called my local shop...talked to the guy I bought my strat from. 
    He sez, c'mon down, he's got all the AMSCO Jamm Trax in stock!  Pickin'
    mine up tonight...Blues and Classic Rock.  I'll be making a volume V
    submission after all.  Coop, you mentioned sumthin' 'bout movin down
    the mountain again.  Should we send tapes to you at work?
    
    Steev

    
    I bought some great jam tapes at Wood'n Strings in Arlington put out
    by The Wolfman School of Music (really Bob Wolfman in his house with a
    16 track in the basement and some great backup musicians). There's 12 
    10 minute tracks; each is a different key and a different style. There's 
    "Funky Chicago in Ab","Slow Blues in G","Memphis Blues in D", etc. 
    They're fully produced with drums,bass,keyboard fills,organ, etc. Ten 
    minutes is just about right for me. It takes at least 5 minutes to get into
    the groove and figure what position to play. Lots of fun. He has his tapes
    in quite a few stores, Hot Lick's, etc. You can order direct from him
    though. 
    
    	Groove Tapes             	$ 24.95 + $ 1.25 tax + $3.00 shipping
    	Wolfman School of Music
    	12 Newport St.
    	Arlington, MA 02174
    
    I don't have any financial interest in the product. 
    
    	Ray Hayes
    
    

    
    	The Blues, Modern Blues, and Jazz are my recommendations.
    
    	Enjoy - Tom
    
    

    
    	The Wolfman tapes are what Bob Conroy and I used for the
    	last tape.  The Jam Trax are more varied.  Also, the
    	Wolfman songs are alot longer.
    
    	Tom
    

No deadline - I haven't gotten any submissions yet...And don't figure you
guys wanna hear 90 minutes of HardBall stuff, so...  :)

Steve, I should be be all moved into 8320 PepperRidge Dr, Csp. by the first of 
October, so I'd say start your recording and sit tight.  I wouldn't trust DEC 
mail as far as I could throw 'em.  :)

jc

    Tom,
    
    Have you heard the Classic Rock Jam Trax?  That category could be real
    broad.....what kinda stuff is on it?
    
    Steve

>    	Groove Tapes             	$ 24.95 + $ 1.25 tax + $3.00 shipping
    
    Is it just me, or does this price seem terribly high to anyone else? 
    Even the audio instructional tapes I've seen (complete with book and
    all) have been at least $10 cheaper then this.
    
    gh

    Greg, it's not you, I choked when I saw the price.  I'm going with the
    $10 Jam Trax.....
    
    dawg

    
    	I have the Classic Rock one and don't really like it very
    	much.  It's heavier than what I expected.  Can't imagine
    	what the metal one sounds like.  
    
    	Modern Blues has tunes "in the Style of" Clapton, Stevie
    	Ray, Gary Moore, ZZ Top, George Thorogood, and others.
    	Blues is closer to I-IV-V with a few Stormy Monday moves
    	for good measure.  Both are really fun.
    
    	Jazz is harder but probably the best sounding tape to my
    	ears.  Country is fun for the major riffs and chicken pickin'.
    
    	I don't know - I guess Classic Rock just sounds like a very
    	mediocre band where it's pretty easy to do Blues backing tracks.
    	Classic has "songs" with predetermined signature riffs.
    
    	Tom
    
    

    re: -1
    
    Thanks Tom....I may ask my sales guy if I could hear a few samples in
    the store before I buy...sounds like the Modern Blues might better suit
    me than the Blues....isn't the Modern Blues alot of I-IV-V as well,
    tho?
    
    S

    Tom,
    
    wanna sell yer Classic Rock backing tape?
    
    S

    
    	Modern Blues has the I-IV-V's as well as one very similar
    	to Still Got the Blues by Gary Moore.  There's a few that
    	modulate like the ZZ Top one (sounds like one where he sings
    	"ah, how, how, how").  
    
    	None are difficult but it's beyond the basic I-IV-V.
    
    	There's a great swing blues in Bb that's really fun to follow
    	the chords and get a jazz feel.
    
    	The George T one sounds like Bad to the Bone.
    
    

    OK, I'm gettin' close.  I got my personal band of studio musicians
    (Modern Blues backing tape), I've got my stereo to play it on, I've got
    my strat, my lse paul, my dean markley, my fingers, and a boom box to
    reord all this stuff.
    
    I started last night.  After a couple of takes, I got the volume of the
    "band" and my amp balanced.  I made a few cuts, and playied them back
    in my good stereo.  Sounds pretty dam acceptable for a novice
    submission!
    
    I want to play louder (for tone purposes), however, and I'm not able to
    turn up the "band" much more to match my amps "good tone" volume.  
    
    What'll work?: (my boom box has only a condensor mic, so I can only
    record at one level/place).
    
    * turn the amp backwards?
    * cover the speaker with a towel?
    * move the amp farther away?
    
    any sugesstions?
    
    Steve

>my lse paul
    ^^^
    
    SOMEONE around here's obviously been working too much...
    8^)

    re:
    
    >>SOMEONE around here's obviously been working too much...
    >>8^)
    
    and NOT playing enuff!!
    
    Steve (my gawd, I can't believe I mispelled one of my babies)

>(my gawd, I can't believe I mispelled one of my babies)
 
    With the name of an editor, no less...         

    re: (my gawd, I can't believe I mispelled one of my babies)
    
        >>With the name of an editor, no less...
    
    Greg, while I'm thoroughly enjoying your sense of humor, have you any
    worthwhile input to my recording dilemma?
    
    

    	RE .59
    
    I forgot  8^) at the end.....
    
    

    Sure dude...  Play around with the mike positioning and you may be able
    to find a spot where it all works.  You know, put it closer to the rest
    of the band, point it at them (presuming it's a cartoid response
    pattern).  
     
    Turning your amp to face a wall or putting something like a big pile of
    pillows or a table turned on it's side a couple of feet directly in
    front of it may help.   If not, try putting the amp in another room and
    mike it through the PA so you can get a consistant level. 
    
    BTW, those condensor mikes in boom boxes suck.  I've gotten much
    better results using a cheap normal home cassette deck and a mike. 
    Even with a very inexpensive mike it works out better, since you don't
    have it trying to do "automatic level setting" for you, so you don't
    hear things changing and all.
    
    I've recorded a lot of band rehearsals using inexpensive equipment,
    just for reference purposes, and have gotten decent results using these
    techniques.  I just did one of these last night with an SM57 going into
    an XLR to 1/4" transformer into a Y-cord, into a cheezy home stereo
    cassette deck that I bought new for $30 about 7 years ago.  There were
    a couple of old office partitions (dec surplus) between the drums and
    the PA/Bass amps and the guitar amp (a Marshall 1/2 stack) was about 10
    feet away pointing slightly off axis from the mike.  Sounded pretty
    decent!
    
    Greg

    Thanks, Greg,
    
    I'm stuck with the boom box/condensor mic fer now.  I think my first
    effort's gonna be putting the boom box near the stereo/"band" and
    pulling my amp away and crankin' 'er up!
    
    Doodsicle

    I'm getting closer to the right mix in my shoddy little basement
    recording project.  Now my problem is: everything I play is not good
    enuff for me!  I'm not satisfied with any of it!  I record it, play it
    back, the quality is ok, the tone sounds ok, the volume mix is ok, 
    but I think my lix suck!  I gotta get past this....I seem to more
    inspired to play when it's live in front of an audience....this is
    weird.
    
    Steve (maybe my lix DO suck....ahhhhhh!)

IMHO, recording is one of the BESt ways to improve your chops.
You record and listen, and record and listen...  It's tough to
get past the "awwww man" stage, because we are ALL super-critical
of our chops.  But just remember, it's the listener who decides,
not you.  Hang in there BULLDAWG !

jc

    re .63
    
    Steve, I've noticed that since I got my 4 track about a year ago that
    it seems sit idle waiting for me to get a round tuit. And the reason I
    never seem to get one (a round tuit) is for exactly the same reasons you 
    said. Recording is one of those things where it seems I could dick around
    forever and not get anything *done*. It's gonna take a goodly measure
    of discipline for me to make a submittal.
    
    "sakman"

    
    
    Dude, that's a major tool going to waste...  it's only tape!  And
    nobody else has to hear if you don't want 'em to...  Like someone else
    was saying, you don't really know how you sound until you lay it down
    on tape.  Use it as an extra set of ears.
    

    In my opinion....don't worry about it so much. Do a B+ job and
    send it in warts and all. My last submission had some pretty
    obvious mistakes, because we just put the tape on and played.
    If we had fussed around with it it would never have gotten
    sent in. I did the same thing for the classical stuff I sent
    in before too. Those were 1 or 2 takes and that's it.
    
    Just relax and do it.
    
    Bob

    
    I don't know what to tell ya. I spent 2 months doing a cover and i'm
    still not sure i like it.. Now i'm covering Pretzel Logic - keys, horns
    all done, i've done a couple of decent vox, but everytime i pick up
    the axe i get part of what i want part of what i don't want. By the
    time i nail down what i think i want, i'm bored with it and you can
    hear the boredom.  What is making it even worse is I have some major
    neck whoes which keep me off the high e string for anything above C
    (eight fret).  Talk about limiting....
    
    I submitted a long, very crude, poorly played song for Git 4 which
    Buck omitted in the name of time and taste, but damn, sometimes i
    listen to this sucker and what i like about it is i stopped working
    it when i new i couldn't stand it no more (didn't take long either -
    whole thing took less than 2 hours including drums,bass,keys and
    rythm git) and for all it's crudeness, there is some energy to it.
    It was about teen-angst (was written about 22 years ago) and in some
    measure it's there - all sloppy, stupid and wet!  
    
    So i guess the message is....i dunno!
    
    bob

    re: Steve D.
    
>    Now my problem is: everything I play is not good enuff for me!  I'm
>    not satisfied with any of it!  
    
    Welcome to the world of the studio...
    
    I basically have to have someone TELL me "STOP ALREADY, that take
    sounds fine".  I hate basically everything I play...
    
    Greg (who's chops definately DO suck)

    re: last few
    
    thanks for the support guys....I *will* do VOL V submission....
    
    Steve (searching for TONE)...
    

>    sounds fine".  I hate basically everything I play...
>    
>    Greg (who's chops definately DO suck)
    
    I think most people feel that way.  It's like a warning sign if you
    don't.  My instructor can pretty much play anything, any style, off the
    cuff and has chops for days.  I'd die for this guy's ability and even
    he's not satisfied.
    
    Mike (who also isn't satisfied)

    This all sounds sooooo familiar....I think a lot of the problem is the
    time factor.When you have lots of time to spend on one track,your own
    multitrack,etc,you tend to labor over & over to get it sounding *just
    right*,whereas,paying for studio time,you kinda "make do" when it
    sounds reasonable.
    	I remember the first time I borrowed a four-track,I had it for
    three days,taped eight numbers,playing all the instruments,and mixed
    them to cassette.I wasn't too happy with the final result,but the other
    day I found the tape,put it on,and was amazed how good they sounded.
    The "liveness" was streets ahead of the feel I get now on the 8-track,
    spending days/weeks on one song !
    					Jim
    

    I think that's why they have producers in the music business.  
    
    Greg

    Greg is right.  SOMEONE has to be there to make sugesstions,
    and to say "Enuff!!".
    
    And all you folks who say you have suck chops ??  Shaddup already.
    (Greg!)  Just play, dammit.
    :)

    It's gettin' better.  I played around with my tone a little more last
    night and concentrated on one song...the slow blues in G.  I have
    3 different takes, one with "clean loud strat", one with "tube
    screamer, slight edge strat" and one with Les Paul.  I'm gonna submit a
    combo of the two strat tones, I think.  I still do not have any single
    take with NO mistakes...and I may not get there.
    
    I am resolved to just play it live, play my best, and that's what you
    guys get.  Not worrying about why it doesn't sound like SRV is helping.
    
    This is fun!
    
    
    Steev/Dawg

    
    	Steve - good pick!!  I was considering it too ;^)
    
    	My way would have been to start off mid-neck with a nice intro
    	lick, start off slow, go up to the 15th fret position when it
    	picks up and go kinda berserk, and then come down a bit towards
    	the end.  Also would have increased distortion/changed pickups
    	towards that middle kickin' part.
    
    	As far as NO mistakes...  you're dreamin', right?  ;^)
    
    	Try this too - record and save the 1st take of each night.
    	I keep getting worse the harder I try and it sure does lose
    	that "feel".
    
    	Btw, I'm using that slow blues in G in my act - 1st time this
    	coming Saturday night at a wedding.  Perfect occasion for
    	the blues, don't you think?  
    
    	Tom
    

    Tom,
    
    You just described my submission, in detail!  Were you in my basement last
    night?  And yes, the 1st take is always the best.....
    
    Steve

    
    	Hey Steve - that tune seems to encourage certain playing by
    	the way it builds, doesn't it?  Most of 'em tend to kick it
    	up in the middle and come back down.  
    
    	Glad you're enjoying them.  What a great way to practice
    	the chops!!
    
    	Tom
    

    actually, the first take is good, it goes downhill till about
    the ninth, then starts coming back up :-)

    re: -2
    
    Tom....yes!
    
    re: -1
    
    I was one short of the ninth take last night, shoulda held on for a few
    more!
    
    8^)

>    	Try this too - record and save the 1st take of each night.
>    	I keep getting worse the harder I try and it sure does lose
>    	that "feel".
 
    I donno, that approach doesn't seem to work for me.  The best solo I
    ever captured on tape was after about 20 takes and 4 hours work on that
    one solo, when my fingertips on my left hand felt like they were gonna
    burst.  My buddy's going "just hang it up and come back to it later"
    right before and I'm like, "No, I just about have it, one more take..." 
    I ended up taking two tracks and mixing them.  The first half of one
    was best, and the second half of the other was best, so I just faded
    'em.  It was still far from mistake-free, but it had a good "feel" to
    it, so I left it.  Several other people have commented that it was the
    best solo of mine that they'd heard.
    
    'Course I didn't have anything planned out for that one ahead of time,
    so a lot of it was just experimentation to find what I wanted.  Most
    don't take me that long.
    
    Greg

    Just got my Modern Rock backing tape......might send in more than a
    blues tune...hmmmm?
    
    Steev 8^)

    Metal_bulldawg !!
    
    !!

    Don't get exited Coop, I'm still the simple bluesman you knew.  There
    are several "copy-cat" tunes on this backing tape.  One titled
    "Sidewalk Surfing" is basically a cover of "Surfing with the Alien". 
    There's another slow ballad type that covers an EJ or Satch (I forget)
    tune.  It's basically a I IV V, real pretty thang that modulates back
    and forth from major to minor progressions.  I thought I might add a
    "nice" lead.....It's called "Forever Yours" on the backing tape.
    
    I *do* have at least one slow blues take ready for submission.  I'm
    gonna keep it, and try for an improved version.  
    
    Dawg

    Coop:
    
    1. have you moved yet?
    2. has anyone sent in a Vol V submission yet?
    3. are you weady to wecieve won?
    
    I started graduate school (again) last week, and I'm outa time for
    trying to get a submission that I'm real happy with.  I've got two
    versions of "Bulldawgs Hate Mondays" (slow blues tune) ready to send. 
    I think the latter is the better, I'll ask for your opinion, or you can
    stick 'em both on the tape (part I, Part II).  Lemme know where/when
    you want me to send the cassette.
    
    dawg

    I think it'd be interesting/good for folks to place their current 
    choices for the tape in order to prevent duplication. Maybe not say
    the ones they are "going" to do, but if I end up sending one in, I
    wouldn't want someone else submitting the same tune.
       
    Well...  it made sense to me.  :^}
    
            
    Rock on,
    	     Fred

>I'll ask for your opinion, or
    
    I'll give you his opinion now:
    
      "It sucks, not enough distortion.  Get a rack and do it again"
    
    ;^)

    re: Fred
    
    I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting.  Are you saying that
    if we're submitting cover songs, put in a note so that we don't all
    cover the same tunes, or what?
    
    Greg

    RE: -2
    
    I'm submitting a slow blues in G (ala Stormy Monday progression) 2
    takes....
    
    RE: -1
    
    Naw, Coop respects my blues thang, right Coop?....Coop?....ack, get
    that effects processor away...gimme back my tube screamer!!

    
    
    I don't see any problem with overlap, tunewise.  In fact, I could see a
    whole series of tapes:
    
                      GuitarNoters do "Louie, Louie"
                     GuitarNoters do "Rock 'n' Roll"
                   GuitarNoters do "Stairway to Heaven"
                                   etc.
    
    

Coop definately respects Bulldawg Blues.  I am humbled by the blues,
even if the blues guys DON'T use effects.  I'm still learning how to 
add FEELING, but I'm doomed until someone comes out with a PATCH for 
FEELING.  :)

Bulldawg,  I'm moving a week from Saturday.  If you mail it to me this 
week, mail it to:

Me
PO Box 4199
681 Whispering Winds Drive
Woodland Park, CO 80866

If you wait a week, I'll post another address - I forgot the zip!
:)

jc (Moving to 8320 PepperRidge Dr, Colorado Springs on the 9th of
    October)

    got it.....I'll probably get it out next week to yer old address, just
    leave a forwarding address with yer local post office.  
    
    You moving to my old neighboorhood?  I used to live off of North
    Academy up behind the MacDonald's....a cul-de-sac left turn off of
    Flintridge Pkwy just before it curves left at the top of the hill.
    Can't remember the address......
    
    bull_the_dawg

    re: .88
    
    Yep! That's what I'm suggesting Greg. 
    If folks are submitting originals...  this doesn't apply to them.
    
    
    Fred (who's got a really bad head cold and has to think of things 5x
          today, before typing the wrong stuff anayway   ;^)   )
    

    
    	We should all do Slow Blues in G ala Stormy Monday for 
    	guitarnotes tape v5.  Kinda like our jams but, for the
    	first time, one lead at a time !!!
    
    	;^)  Tom
    

    Well now I have 3 versions of "Bulldawgs Hate Mondays".  I feel the 3rd
    is the best, but I may send all three to Coop.  All 3 are very simple,
    no flash, no special FX, no finger tapping, no whammy bar, blues.  Just
    the Am Standard Strat thru a (cranked) Dean Markley with a little
    reverb.  The backing tape is played so that the submission has
    basically drums, bass, and me on lead; rythm guitar can barely be heard. 
    On all 3 versions, the very first lick is recorded too loud....I guess my 
    boom box has a "leveling" period in the mic.  The tone/acoustics sound like
    somebody carried a boom box into one of those little smokey blues bars and 
    recorded a jam from the back of the club.......quite authentic.  Quality is
    at the low end, due to recording equipment, but the chops/style are me.
    
    
    enjoy/critique at will  8^)
    
    

    My submission is (by now) in CXO at Coops' office.  Anybody else done
    one, or is Volume V gonna be "Bulldawg's '92 Basement Tour"?
    
    :-}

    Yessir - while I'm out today, I'm sure Bulldawgs submission is here,
    and I have John Derrico's here at the house also.  I've sucessfully
    moved (??), so send tapes to:
    
    Jeff Cooper
    8320 Pepperridge Dr.
    Colorado Springs, CO 80920
    
    Please make the packages as small as possible so they'll fit in my 
    mailbox.  :)
    
    jc

    
    well today marks 17 years at DEC.  Seems like i should record the
    Ovation doing primal screams, shrieks of horror, and miserable moans.
    it don't have to have a beat, do it?
    
    sigh-cot-ic mumbles from the computer dungeon...

    I'm also working on recording some new songs right now, so I should
    have something available in a month or so.
    
    Greg

    >>I'm also working on recording some new songs right now, so I should
    >>have something available in a month or so.
    
    A month or so!  You mean you guys aren't gonna do like me and just
    throw something primal together and send it in.  Sheesh, if I'd know it
    was gonna be sum kinda professional effort, I'da rented a studio and a
    band, and...ferkristsakes, you might as well just leave my submission
    off...it's just a primal, raw, live, no b*llsh*t, recording using
    bottom of the scale equipment....sheesh, whine, and gripes!
    
    Ok, Ok, be patient, I know, I know.....
    
    >|-}

    
    	Sheesh - where were you for Vol 1 thru 4 ??  Each of 'em
    	took about a half a year!!  You have time to record your
    	tune, hit the charts with a bullet, become the latest
    	guitar-god, get hooked on heroin, check into Betty Ford,
    	and by the time you make your comeback, 3 more entries
    	will have rolled in...
    
    	Doncha know we're all talk and no action in here?
    
    	Big time ;^)'s
    
    

    re: Stevie D.
    
    I didn't spend all this money on recording crap to let it sit idle!
    
    ;^)
    
    gh

     >>I didn't spend all this money on recording crap to let it sit idle!
    
    It looks as though I'll have time to take a sabbitacal, go to LA to
    some fancy schmancy guitar school, get my chops in REAL order, drive to
    the Springs, spend some time in Greg's studio, drive back home, and
    still get my submission in before Coop's ready to make the copies!!
    
    Dubble sheesh!!
    
    8^) squared!

    Works for me, Steve.  C'mon out!
    
    Greg

    Appreciate the invite, but probably won't happen.  If I ever *do* come
    that way, I'm gonna grab Bob Durham and MAKE him jam with you guys so
    you can hear his "chops for daize"....have you caught his act yet?
    
    Steve (WAY off the topic...sorry)

No, I still haven't heard Bob play myself, but I have several friends
who've seen his band and they all said he was smokin!

Greg

    Whoz Bob Durham?

    >>they all said he was smokin!
    
    Indeed!  I will admit (bashfully taking credit) that I was fortunate
    enough to be the manager that hired Bob into DEC.....hope he still
    works there.  I *never* hear from him.........8^)
    
    dawg

    re: who's Bob Durham....
    
    He is (or was) a production control scheduler in the CXO disk mfg
    business.  He is a regular guy, about as nice as they come, with a
    wife, 2 kids, a house, a Les Paul, and and Ibanez (I think) and about
    as much talent for rock/blues guitar that I have seen on any "local"
    scene.  If I could play like Bob, I'd sure as h*ll quit playing like
    me!
    
    Steve

   He still works here, but his band is on haitus.  His bass player/singer
   recently put a load of stuff in the For Sale topic...  I've never seen
   them but have heard good things.

   -- Sam (waiting to audition, should the decision go that way  :-))

>    re: who's Bob Durham....
>    
>    He is (or was) a production control scheduler in the CXO disk mfg
>    business.  He is a regular guy, about as nice as they come, with a
>    wife, 2 kids, a house, a Les Paul, and and Ibanez (I think) and about
>    as much talent for rock/blues guitar that I have seen on any "local"
>    scene.  If I could play like Bob, I'd sure as h*ll quit playing like
>    me!

A nice old Plexiglass_Front Marshall, a nice JMP, and a golden retriever
puppy, who is probably all grown up by now.  :)
    
Was the guitarist for a local band called "Storm", but I beleive they are 
woodshedding with Larry's replacement.  Shame on Larry for selling his 
AWESOME GK800 bass rig.  :(

(Hi Larry)
jc

    
    Okay, I have one submission ready (or very nearly so).....
    
    Anyone else getting anything done?   C'mon, hands up.....
    
    
    guy

So far:

I have submissions from Bulldawg Dandrea and John Derrico, and I have slots 
reserved for a pair of tunes from my old band and a couple (three?) from 
Gregs latest project.

Send it!!

8320 Pepperridge Dr.
Colorado Springs, CO 80920

jc

    I'm not greedy, you'll just get one or two from me.  The recording's
    going a little slower then planned due to unexpected parental visits
    and illnesses...
    
    Greg

    Two would be cool...  :)  And yeah, I want my mike cords back.
    :)
    
    No rush though, my studio is still in boxes.  :)
    jc

   I'm in the planning stages for a tune or two.  Haven't committed anything
   to tape yet, but if I can get my sh*t together soon enough you'll have
   something from me, too.

   -- Sam

    I *may* get one together in the near future.  Will let cha know if it
    comes together or not.

Cool - all!!

Send, send, send!!

    
    nope sorry. i just finished a bunch of covers and guitar is not overly
    featured on any.  Made a committment on cello for somethin' i can't
    play - yet, so i'll be busy...
    
    bob

    Bob, 
    
    Send that one in for the CELLONOTES compilation, ok?
    ;^)
    
    Greg

    Greg,
    
    quit reading notes and finish your submission, ok?
    
    |^}
    
    deputy_dawg

    >quit reading notes and finish your submission, ok?
    >
    >deputy_dawg
    
    he done sinkin in the creek mud...

    re: .122
    
                ^  ^
    		0  0
                  >
               \____/
               

    If I could do my submission between compiles, I'd be more then happy to
    be doing it...
    
    Greg

    I'm not much ahead of you.  I sent Coop 3 takes of the same song, and
    I still can't decide which one to have him enter on the master.  #1 is
    smoother, cleaner, and tastier.  #2 sucks and is full of mistakes.  #3
    is higher in energy, but rougher than #1.  I 'feel' like #3 is my fav,
    but I have had 5 opinions from a cross section of folks from guitar
    players to daughters that say they think #1 is the tops.....
    
    All h*ll, Coop put #1 on the front end and #3 on the back end of Vol V,
    and let the masses hear 'em both!
    
    Deputy_Dawg

If there is room, I'd be happy to!!

jc (Who's as LOTS of room so far!)

    >>If there is room, I'd be happy to!!
    
    
    
    ahhhh, feeling lots better, not havin' to make any big decisions!
    Lemme know if there becomes a space issue, and I'll try and pick the
    one that goes.....
    
    whew!

I already picked it FOR you bud!
:)

    re: -1
    
    indeed.....you were the 1st person to say #1 was the cleanest.....
    
    
    dawgster

    Jeff,
    
    I have a semi-original submission I'll be sending in this week.
    
    The song is "Maybe" and written by my brother's wife's father
    (is that an inlaw once removed???).  The take is very rough
    but caught one of those times when you say "!@#$%^&*, I wish
    I had the tape recorder on".  This time it was - see what you think. 
    
    Regards,
    
    Twig McKie  DTN 297-9844

    Excellent !!
    Keep 'em comin' !!  I heard john Derrico's submission the other
    day on the way to work (twice :).  It's hip!!  This will be a great 
    tape when it's all done !!
    
    jc

   Two new notes on Guitarnotes V-5: 

                Liner notes: 2619
                Review note: 2620



If this is too redundant, do as the Laws_Of_Mod require...

/J

    so Coop,
    
    whenz Vol V mailing out?
    
    8^)

Lesse, I've got submissions from:

Bulldawg
John Derrico
Myself

There are a couple more submissions coming...
So, thats probably not even one side of this tape.

Come on folks!  Drag your Otari 5050's down to open mike night,
and get  movin' !!
:)

jc

    Once my band (Fido) does our live demo Ill send a song or two. Whats
    the address?
    

    Fostex works too dood !!
    
    Jeff Cooper
    8320 Pepperridge Dr
    Colorado Springs, CO 80920
    
    Brian Rost has just mailed me that he's got a pair of songs ON THEIR
    WAY !!
    
    YES !!

We're doing a DAT of a show this weekend, I may extract something for the
new tape provided the DAT comes out ok.

dbii

    
    
    	I know this is mainly a States based kind of thang, but we've done
    	a demo that's not too bad, maybe I could send a couple off of that?
    	(Unless this is a show your best chops kind of thing because I
    	 only solo'd on one track and I *hate* it, mainly the songs are	
    	 just a kind of punk/grunge throw yourself about kind of thing.) 
    
    
    	J

    Of course you UK (and other international) Noters are welcome to
    contribute!!!  It's not just a US thing, it's something for the Guitar
    Notes communitity and you're certainly all included in that!
    
    Please do send something in, Jason!
    
    Greg

    Send it !!
    
    jc (Back from Mass and POOPED !!)

Status! 

    I don't have even half a tapes worth of stuff yet !!
    
    Send more submissions!!!
    
    jc

    Well if this drags out a month or so more I should have some freshly
    finished St. Amand music to send, we're draggin' the studio time out,
    thanks be to all the gods that we own the studio!
    
    dbii

    Same here!
    
    gh

    Citadel is about halfway thru recording its demo, but (at the moment)
    it's only covers, although I think the material is interesting stuff
    for musicians (basically progressive rock).

    
    
    	I'm still planning to send some stuff in form over the pond, what
    I've decided to do is send the whole demo tape (12 tracks) and let Coop
    decide what one(s)? to put on there. Should be getting the tapes
    fairly soon.
    
    J

    
    Hey Coop, 
    
    Not sure if you got it, but if you did recieve the old Stiff Kitty
    demo, stick the last tune 'Back Again' on but mark it as anonomous 8^)
    
    -tony

    
    I have already sent one tune to Coop, but maybe I'll come up with 
    something more soon.
    
    I need help:
    
    My last day with DEC will be Friday, the 15th.  I was wondering if
    someone (who has more job security than myself) will send me any 
    reviews of my song(s) via US mail.  It's not every day I have the 
    opportunity to get the opinions of so many guitar players.
    
    Anyone willing to help out?
    
    With all my free time I may be able to put together a couple more
    tunes....;-)
    
    
    thanks,
    
    guy

    Is old stuff accepted? I just happened on a tape I made with Cindy
    Kallet (who the die-hard folkies may have heard) a bit over 10 years ago
    that includes a mandolin-guitar duet I rather like.

    A cut from a much more recent duet with Tom Benson should be available
    as well. 

Send it !!

    This progressive rock band I've been jamming with for a while,
    CITADEL (Dave Blickstein, Lance Lavine, Darrell Gleason, Rob
    Rothberg, and myself) have been doing some recording of late.
    It's coming along slowly but surely ... still doing tracks,
    with no date for mixdown in sight -- but possibly we may be 
    able tosend something for this is time allows.

There is no deadline set...  As I get closer to having enough material,
I'll come up with one...
jc

    
    	I'll be sending a few tunes very soon.  Trying to make a
    	60 minute cassette so I'll pick from that.  
    
    	I'd guess no one is rushing since there isn't a deadline.
    
    	Hey Coop, how about this friday?   ;^)
    
    	Tom
    
    

    re: I'd guess no one is rushing since there isn't a deadline.
    
    amen, this could be the tape that never goes out......8^)

    Okay doods - A deadline needed, so:
    
    The Ides Of March - 15 January for you folks who aren't into the more
    interesting writers...
    
    Cool ??  I'm just as anxious as the rest of you folks, so lets get off
    our butts!!
    
    jc

 >     The Ides Of March - 15 January for you folks who aren't into the more
                              =======???
 >     interesting writers...

    Had the amps cranked up to 11 a bit too often?

    Uh, Coop, uh the 15th January was over a week ago.......ya gotta lay
    off the drugz dood......
    
    |*}

Eye-yi-yi!!

Yeah - 15 March is the Ides...  :-)

Izzat a good deadline for everyone?

jc

    Yeah, that'll probably work for me.

    I have some classical stuff that I can send in. It's part of a
    recording of a concert I did a long time ago. Would rather
    do something new but I don't have much time lately.
    
    It's a duet, part of a Tonadilla by Rodrigo.
    
    Bob

Send it!  Send it!!

I was just listening to Somewhere Over A Rainbow and Johnny last night!!
Wow!  Is that a Jedi Mind Trick??

jc

    
    	Coop, do you think it'll be a 90 minute tape or does it
    	look like 60.  Hey, Steve - how about sending in more
    	from the Jam tape?  What the heck, looks like there's
    	room, right?
    
    	Tom
    

     
     Now that I have some limited playing time back, I'll have a submission 
     for this tape. I have the basic tracks finished, all that's left is 
     to dump my four tracks to eight tracks, add vocals and a guitar solo 
     and it's done.  
     
     I think I can have it done in a couple of weeks. 
     
     
    Tom
    
    ---
    Dictated with Dragon Dictate.
     
    

    I don't think I'll have time to do another....my business life is crazy
    with frequent travel and I'm taking post grad classes.  The first
    submission represents about 1 hour's work, tho, so ya think I'd have
    time.....sheesh!
    
    |^}
    dawg.....

    
    	Hey, hey!!  Half a year later and the deadline approaches
    	fast!!  
    
    	Tick, tick, tick.......
    
    	Coop, did you get my tape yet?
    
    	Tom
    

    Yeah, I did - in fact, I just listened to it this morning!
    Great tape man!!
    
    Which tunes do you wanna put on the GN-V? 
    jc

    >Yeah, I did - in fact, I just listened to it this morning!
    >Great tape man!!
    >Which tunes do you wanna put on the GN-V? 
    
    As many as it takes to fill up 90 minutes....better hurry up and make
    this tape before cassette players go the way of turntables and/or all
    the contributors get the package...
    
    							Brian

    The Ides man, The Ides!!
    :-)

    OK, it's the 15th...time to stand up and be counted, part of the
    solution or part of the problem, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta
    do, etc.
    
    						Jon Bon Ami

    I sent one in today! It's got one classical duet from an old
    recording of a recital, and a just recorded version of "My Funny
    Valentine" on electric.
    
    Bob
    

Yeah - I'm waiting on Bobs submission....

Still don't a full tapes worth of material, but screw it.
I'll fill up the rest with Dream Theater cuts.  :-)

Cool?

    I'm part of the problem.  However, there's one of my older songs that
    I'd like to submit and I think I can probably get a quick mix of one of
    the newer ones down within the next few days.
    
    Greg (who hasn't had time for squat lately)

hey I sent roughly 15mins worth last week...I gave at the office...did it show?

dbii

Not yet DB...

    RE: -1 Greg......
    
    Sorry bud, the 15th has come and gone, you missed out pal, no dice,
    uh-uh, no way, the train is gone, the fat lady sang, show's over, 3
    strikes, if Coop waits on you, then he has to let everybody else submit
    late, we all agreed to the 15th.......too bad.
    
    
    well, ok, I suppose it's allright.....
    
    8^)

Here it is:

If you want a copy of the tape (upon completion), send me your name and address.

Also, specify which of the following will work for you:

1.  I supply a MAXELL XLII, or similar quality tape (high bias), envelop
    and postage - you pay whatever it costs to purchase the tape and ship
    it to you.

2.  You send ME a tape of your choice (C90), and a pre-paid postage envelope.

3.  Submittees (izzat a word) can specify that I record over their submission
    tape and return...  Submittees owe me a beer for postage, next time I'm in
    Mass.  :-)

4.  Greg gets his tape back with the whole thing on it, plus a copy of Becks 
    GuitarShop, Fastway, Contagious, and a guitar-toy catalog.  :-)

I'll dub all the material onto DAT, and buzz copies from it...  Should make
for decent quality.

Ideas/sugesstions??

I'm all ears!

jc

    It's March 24th, do you know where your copy of Vol V is?
    
    |*}
    
    

    Two weeks since the deadline, what's up with the tape?

    Well, I'm waiting on one more submission - should have it any day now.
    One particularly person asked me to send their submission back to them.  
    He was apparently upset that that I let the deadline slip in order to 
    have a tape that was a little more than half full...
    
    I have some great submissions already, and the last one is (IMHO) worth
    waiting a couple more days for.  This will be a GREAT tape!!
    
    jc
    

   My fingers are itching!


Whhhhhut's the good news Doc?


cLeM

    He's waiting on us slowpokes...

    At this rate, even I might submit something.

    I probably have time to re-submit!
    
    8^)
    
    Steve (who got p*ssed and took his ball and went home)

    
    	The tape is really great!!
    
    	Every tune smokes!!
    
    	Way to go!!
    
    	Out far!!
    

snore....

Hikkup.

   Howabout we pull the spokes out of his Moto-X bike and hide'em....
Maybe we'll be able to get him back in the house to finish up the tape!

*8^)

Hue Go

    I'll be dupping and sending out final copies of the GN-V tape this
    week.   If ya want one, send mail!!  I appreciate everyones patience.
    
    RE: JD
    
    Hey!  Leave my spokes out of this!!
    :-)
    

  Ooops....   Never rouse a man by his spokes!   *8^)    

So when does it ship?

submitter who owes a beer

    RE: dbii
    
    Yesterday.  :-)
    
    (Glad you prompted me...)
                                
    Everyone who submitted stuff and wanted me to tape over their 
    submission and return their tape got their copy mailed yesterday...
    Those who submitted (I love this S&M talk :-) and included a tape
    got theirs mailed yesterday, along with their submission (this
    means my 'spoke tying' friend JD :-).
    
    Everyone who asked me to provide a tape have to wait until I can get 
    to Sams Wholesale to buy a box of XLII's.  I'll try to get their
    tonight after work (barring emergencies).
    
    As I'm dubbing copies tonight, I'll sit down at the PC and make
    some notes on the tape contents and post.  I'll also upload the 
    "j-cards" that I made in Postscript format.
    
    I apologize for this taking longer than I expected.  I've had a
    project going in my studio, and that takes up most of my spare time.  
    Between the studio stuff, work, and band rehearsals I've been swamped!
    I appreciate eveyones patience!
    
    jc

    re: -1
    
    we *all* weren't patient.......
    
    8^)

    Yeah, well what can I say...
    
    jc (If music was a career, and computers were a hobby, it'd be easier :)

    
    	Who's on first?  Then, what comes next, when?
    
    	Whatever...
    
    	And thanks!
    	Tom
    

    RE: Tom
    
    If I remember correctly, Dave Bottoms band is the first couple of
    cuts...
    
    But I do remember something else:
    
    I need SONG NAMES for *your* submissions!!  I kinda made them up.
    :-)
    
    jc

    >>Yeah, well what can I say...
    >>jc (If music was a career, and computers were a hobby, it'd be easier :)
      
    my comment on impatience was directed at *me*...  
    
    dawg (who wants everything NOW)                         

Side A
------
Tell Me - St. Amand (Dave Bottom)
You'll Be Mine - St. Amand
Worlds Going Crazy - St. Amand
The Other One - Greg House
Dream - Greg House
Bad Bones - Tom Desrochers
Beck And Call -  Tom Desrochers
A Minor Problem - Tom Desrochers
*Thats All - HardBall (Jeff Cooper)
Devils Games - HardBall

    * Special Guest Appearance by our own Will Alexander on Bass Guit!
    
Side B
------
Listen Here - Brian Rost
Roadhouse - Briat Rost
Island You - Ripping Nylons (John Derrico)
Joaquin Rodigo TonaDilla For 2 Guitars - Bob Conroy
My Funny Valentine - Bob Conroy
Sit Back N Chill - Guy Best
Intermission - Guy Best

    
    	Well, it's 2 weeks since mine was mailed.
    
    	??
    

    
    yea, what's the poop coop?
    
    signed,
    Anxiously Awaiting

    those tapes went out weeks ago......the mail truck musta crashed!

   I received mine last week.... Though, I'll have to see if I can get 
my tape re-recorded or a new one sent. Side two has an annoying drone
tone throughout the whole side.


Biff

    I guess Coop's test tone generator works well...

    Re: .207
    
    So where's the review?
    
    "The droning tone on side two adds a sinister undercurrent to the
    program, although it lacks in warmth; perhaps feeding it through a tube
    preamp would help here."
    
    And where are the rest of the MA area copies, anyway??????????????
    
    							Max L.

 >                   -< Hey, Biff, Did It Come By FedEx? >-

    
>   So where's the review?
    

        My review is in July....


Although.... I did send him blank cassette and some bribe money...



Klem N. Tine

It hasn't found it's way to maine yet...

dbii

    
    	must be killin' Coop - he's been hiding and hasn't replied
    	to many other topics.  How about telling us when you're
    	going to SEND them?
    

    He's been busy moving his office between buildings (the one he's using)
    and between floors (the one he's not using right now), and trying to
    get a whole boatload of systems that were moved from the other building
    ready to use...
    
    gh

    OK, my tape arrived.  I also have the whining tone, both sides.  I keep
    getting this urge to get an axe and murder my coworkers  8^)
    
    							Brian

    
    	mine arrived too.  didn't notice the whining tone tho.
    
    	very good music on there, guys!!
    
    	Thanks, Coop
    

    Cooper!
    
    Wharz my tape?!?