Conference napalm::guitar

    I'm not sure what you mean by "run all my toize into it". Do you
    have an assorted meant of synths, guitars, etc?
    
    Anyhow, your average MIDI mixer stores patches that you can call with
    a program select MIDI message. Each patch stores volume, FX, pan and
    possibly eq settings for all the channels. 
    
    Patch 1 may have all the inputs at level X. Patch 2 could be identical
    except channel Y is boosted n db. You start your tune and switch to
    patch 2 at the appropriate time. Yowza, channel Y is now boosted n db
    and you can do your solo. Solo over? Back to patch 1...
    
    Yamaha had a MIDI mixer with motorized faders, but it didn't seem to
    catch on right well. (Big bux).
    
    I think they really stretch the term "mixer" a bit...
    
    Edd

    NO......Coop......you can't use a PC....NO......
    
    Arggggh you'll take midi Rack Puke to an all time high.
    
    Can you Rackmount the PC and terminal ?
    
    
    BK

    Coop,
    
    If you don't have one, you need one!
    
    Steev 8^)
    
    

Agreed.  I have it BAD !  

Trouble is:

How does one make two multiFX processors works well with two different
preamps with one input signal ??  Wouldn't it be most convenient to have 
a PC do all the work for you, and have a really nifty user interface 
(runs under WINDOWS!) ?

    Good grief, Jeff, why can't we just plug our Les Pauls into our tube
    combos and get on with it???!!!  Yer gonna need a freakin' software
    support team to travel to your gigs, fercrisssakes! "Hey Norman, can
    you crunch out some code during break that'll loop my stereo at home
    thru my mixer here at the club, and make my guitar signal come out of
    the beer tap?...yeah, use DECnet and the modem I brought with me..."
    
    I must be turning 40 this year, I long for the simple stuff.....
    
    Steve (to quote the Blair unit: "I'm just a simple blues man...")

    Coop,
    
    Less is more.  The more %$!t you have between your fingers and your
    speakers, the more you tone is gonna sound like $#!t.  Fud 4 thought.

Well, good points for sure.  The 'less is more' theory is pretty sound,
(obviously works for y'all) but this is 1992 - I'm trying to stay away 
from tree hugging.  :)   I get bored playing with a guitar, a cord, and 
an amp... In about one hour - then I start looking for something to make 
it sound better (different?).

jc

    >I get bored playing with a guitar, a cord, and  an amp... In about one
    >hour - then I start looking for something to make  it sound better
    >(different?).
    
    I guess if you wanna be a sound fiddler, that's ok.  I donno, to me,
    people like Ronnie or BB or Eddie just get one sound and go...works 
    for them.
                      

    
    
    >I get bored playing with a guitar, a cord, and  an amp... In about one
    >hour - then I start looking for something to make  it sound better
    >(different?).
    
    Well, you could always practice.....8^)
    
    Kevin
    

RE: Kevin

Well, yeah but...  I like to sound good (different?) when I practice too.
:)

jc (Who really should have something better to do :)

    You may have opened pandora's box Coop.  Programming ain't where it's
    at - playing is.  Joe Blow club_goer won't know the difference, and the
    guys in your band probably won't know either.   
    
    I've stood on both sides of this fence - the simple side doesn't seem
    to have as much feces laying around on the ground ... 8^)
    
    Jerry ...

    > Joe Blow club_goer won't know the difference, and the
    >    guys in your band probably won't know either.
    
    Hey, if he gets his rack/PC done *right*, he won't even have to go to
    the gig. Just dial in...
    
    Edd

:)

Well, so much for a discussion on a MIDI Mixer eh ??

Edd:
Doncha think a 36 space rack complete with a racked 286 with a pop-up
mixer graphic, real time FX control, and remote MIDI controller would
be the cats meow ??  Coupled with a few 4x12...  Slobber.

jc

    I think you need 2 of them racks. All the cool dudes run stereo...
    
    ...or take up keyboards.
    
    Edd

    .... or, you could stop playing to cats ... meow *this* ... ;^)
    
    Jerry

RE: Edd

But dood - I'm *am* in stereo - 125wpc in a 12lb single space rack !!

jc (Cool dood :)

    re: Fud for thought
    
    Tell it to George Lynch! His rack makes mine seem rather small and his
    sound is smokin'!
    
    maybe this should be the why I do/don't use a rack topic
    
    dbii who thinks a midi mixer might be a bit far fetched in his
    application
    
    
    
    

    Actually, a 286 might be a bit light for heavy real-time applications
    like this. I would suggest a 486 50 Mhz as a minimum, and, of course,
    you would need a Terabit disk drive to store the needed data. I don't
    think that a programming staff would be necessary after initial design
    and debugging so you could probably save a good deal of money farming
    that job out to a software house. Amiga has some neat packages so you
    might look into having a small network with an Amiga, 486, and if you
    wanted to be able to access your net from work, perhaps a VAX4000vlc
    would be a nice addition. Since you are developing a multivendor
    environment, you might qualify for discounts for service from the
    various vendors. You will probably never get your picture on the cover
    of the Rolling Stone, but you might just make PC World. Just think of
    all of the different ways you could sound almost just like a real
    Marshall.
    
                           ( S N I C K E R ) 
    
    
    
    	Actually, it isn't a bad idea. Some of the biggest people in the
    music industry use lots of computers. Especially for composing
    and writing music. I think that sometimes we are jaded because we work
    in the industry.
    
    Lowell
    

At one point I was seriously considering sending my resume to New England
Digital, the makers of the Synclavier synth/songwriting system.  Only thing
was I didn't want to live in White River Junction, VT.  I'd still like to 
find a way, someday, to combine my computer knowledge with my musical skills.
Maybe someday...

-- Sam

    This is drifting way off the topic but....
    
    Actually an Amiga isn't a bad idea, just sring for the video toaster
    and make your own animated videos, do the multi-track masters etc in
    the same multi-media studio. Some of the newer dos applications make a
    50Mhz 486 sound like a great idea too. You could even get a multi-track
    direct to disk board or two for the 486 and do digital masters to 3.5
    floppy!
    
    Someday the studio (not the rack) will have a compute platform of some
    sort with multi-media capabilities, but not until GTS runs down :-)
    
    dbii

Yessiree,

I too plan on someday getting a synth/sequencer for my little home studio,
and this little mixer with a PC would be awefully nice at mixdown time.

:)