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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2321.0. "Low Impeadance pickups/wiring" by CSC32::MOLLER (Fix it before it breaks) Mon Sep 09 1991 15:33

I'm trying to verify how a Low Impedance Les Paul is supposed to be wired.
There is a 1/4 in jack, and this appears to be routed thru a transformer
so that the guitar can be played on high impedance amplifiers. There is also
an XLR jack, but it's wired differently than I'd expect. It's certainly not
a balenced low impedance system, as there are only 2 wires, and the connection
to the jack goes like this:

	+---+---+-- Gnd
	|   |   |
	0   0   |
          0    Case of XLR jack
	  |
	  +-------- Signal

Is this correct? If so, then I can give the guitar back to it's owner (I was
fixing some problems with frets and intonation on this guitar, when I was 
asked about the additional jack up near the neck - what an odd place to put
it, but then again, I've never done anything with low impeadance guitars,
as uncommon as they are). If this is not correct, then how should this be
wired?

								Jens
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2321.1LEDS::ORSICuz I felt like it....OK!?!!Mon Sep 09 1991 17:4111
    
    Re .0
    I've owned a Les Paul Professional and it sounds like either a
    LP Recording or a LP Personal which were very similar.
    	Your note is a bit confusing. Where is the 1/4" jack located?
    Is there more than one XLR jack? The female XLR jack up near the
    neck is for a mic. Is this the one you say couldn't be a balanced
    lo-imp system?

    Neal

2321.2I don't fully understand about the microphoneCSC32::MOLLERFix it before it breaksMon Sep 09 1991 18:2911
	Yes, it is near the neck. Why on earth would you want to put a 
	microphone into your guitar? (its' up on the outside edge where
	the pickup selector on Les Pauls usually are). The wires from this
	XLR jack connect to the pickups (at least they appear to) and there
	is a level control for the jack.

	There is only one XLR jack, and it's the one that I described. The 
	other jack is where the normal high impedance jack for a Les Paul is.

							Jens

2321.3Why it's thereRANGER::WEBERMon Sep 09 1991 20:343
    Les had a mic jack on his own guitar so he could sing and play.
    
    Danny W,
2321.4yes, like a bass-o-matic....CSC32::MOLLERFix it before it breaksMon Sep 09 1991 20:5517
	I can't imagine (maybe it's because I do all sorts of random
	signal processing - 2 different distortions, flanger, octavator,
	compression and slap-back delay) running my vocals thru the same
	signal path as my guitar. Even If I didn't try to make my guitar
	sound like Darth Vader, I would suspect that the tone settings
	for one would not necessarily benifit the other. Even then, what
	an odd place to put the jack. I suppose that it makes sense to 
	someone (hey, it's not my guitar, I was just fixing some problems
	with it); certainly not me. Once I change the strings (these
	feel like they have baked on 30 weight motor oil on them), I'll
	be giving the guitar back (I like to use the old strings until I'm 
	done with the adjustments - no reason to break a new one as I 
	loosen/tighten it 20 times).

							Jens

	(Hmm.... maybe as a sort of VOCORDER effect.... Nahhh....)
2321.5projectile efficiency: 2 birds, 1 stoneEZ2GET::STEWARTBalanced on the biggest waveMon Sep 09 1991 21:389
    
    
    
    Why not use the new strings to set up a guitar?  You get a chance to
    stretch out the new strings and get the intonation right on.  Unless
    you put on exactly the same guage strings your intonation adjustments
    are going to be slightly off, right??
    
    
2321.6XLRs lock nicely...ELESYS::JASNIEWSKIThis time forever!Tue Sep 10 1991 12:067
    
    	Any chance you could draw out the entire schematic?
    
    	Any chance that the XLR is simply HI Z, 'cept on a different
    kind of connector?
    
    	Joe
2321.7Same but different?GIAMEM::DERRICOSet Weekend=RELAX_ONTue Sep 10 1991 14:338
       I don't think it was for a microphone. I had a Les Paul Recording
    Bass, As far as I know, It was used to go direct in to the board.
    BUT...I may be wrong...
    
       I'll have to check my wiring diagrams for that. It could be an
    "Unbalanced Low-Impedance" set-up.
    
    /J
2321.8GIAMEM::DERRICOSet Weekend=RELAX_ONTue Sep 10 1991 14:362
    ....Also, It could be that the pickups are acually low impedance,
    and the output of the transformer is High...?.
2321.9I no longer have it...CSC32::MOLLERFix it before it breaksTue Sep 10 1991 14:5725
Well, it sounds fine directly into my Twin Reverb (but then again, you can 
connect unbalenced Low Impedance into a High Impeadance input, and it will
work, however it does work a lot better with a matching transformer - I 
believe that this guitar's 1/4 in jack has one built in). The adjustments
that I made were with a file, and I corrected the work of someones flat
file accross the frets. They should have a crown on them, these frets were
quite flat accross the top. I don't care about the old strings when I'm filing
frets (I loosen them, file, then re-tighen them - no reason to nick new 
strings) Intonation was set once the new strings were on, and I'd played the
guitar for a while (I made sure that everything was streched out).

I didn't jot down the schematic, as I didn't disassemble the guitar. I was
just very curious about the jack. The owner mentioned that it was for a
microphone (he did this after it was mentioned in this notes file), so, I
can assume that this was it's intended use. The guitar plays very nicely,
and the tone is warm - I'd guess that this was intended for jazz guitarist
(but I can't recall seeing anyone ever play one with a microphone plugged
into it) - I would suspect that it has a very limited market.

The person who owns the guitar bought to because it was inexpensive (for a
Les Paul - something that he always wanted), but he really didn't know
much more about it. It plays very well, but, I wouldn't be interested in 
owning one.

								Jens
2321.10really is a mic jackRANGER::WEBERWed Sep 11 1991 13:4514
    The uncrowned frets are Gibson "Fretless Wonders", standard for the LP
    Personal.
    
    The idea of the mic jack was to stick a gooseneck mic into the
    connector and adjust it so it was in front of your mouth. If it sounds
    bizarre, it is what Les used to do--there is a famous publicity shot of
    him using this setup.
    
    This series of guitar differed from the regular les Pauls in more than
    just the electronics. The bodies have a different shape, and a
    relatively flat top. They are all mahogany, without a maple top cap.
    Most people found them rather ugly, but the slanted neck end is cool.
    
    Danny W.
2321.11A few commentsCSC32::MOLLERFix it before it breaksWed Sep 11 1991 17:1517
I have Fretless wonders on my SG, they are fairly flat (I agree), but there
is a slight crown in them - I love em. These still had the file marks on
them from the last guitar specialist who worked on them - I think I did
a better job, the intonation was set when I was done..

As for the Microphone, I guess that it just goes to show you that each of
us have different needs and desires.

The body is mahogany, and looks a bit more like an L-5 than a standard
Les Paul model - about the weight of a cinder block. 

Thanks for all of the info; you don't see many of these guitars, and they
definately aren't like the stock Les Pauls (I hate gold plating - it
wears so poorly - this guitar was a fine example of why not to order it
if you ever plan to play the guitar).

							Jens