Conference napalm::guitar

    
    
    
    	I put an EV12-L in my Fender Deluxe and the difference was like
    night and day.. heh, I play bass through it now, though and it's
    sounding kinda muddy, wonder what's wrong??  [;^)

    I suppose that depends on what you mean by "balls".  If it's just not
    pushing enough air, then it sounds like another cabinet is in order. 
    If you don't like the tone, then changing the speaker might help.  
    
    I wouldn't personally recommend a JBL speaker for a Boogie amp, because
    the JBLs are ultra clean and I think it would make it sound really
    harsh.  The EV would probably be nice, but it was my understanding that
    the Mesa Black Shadow speakers were supposed to sound like EVs (or were
    made for them by EV or something like that).
    
    I've always liked the sound of Celestions myself, at least two at a
    time.  Seems like 1x12 combo amps always sound kind of wimpy in
    comparison to running the same amp with more speakers.
    
    Greg

    Agreed ... grab you a mongrel cab 2x12 loaded with 25W Celestions, and
    don't leave your lunch layin' around !
    
    Scary

    Thanks for the info.   Whats the general opinion on running the Boogie
    through a Marshall 4X12 cab with Celestions?
    
    DWI  

    It'd work ....  8^)
    
    Seriously, it would probably do well.
    
    
    Scary

    I think it would probably sound great!  Or try one of the Boogie 4x12s
    with 2 Celestions and 2 EVs (but they're kind of pricy).
    
    Greg

    
    	I think it would depend on the speakers' wattage ratings. The 
    	.50 cal would probably sound better pushing 4 25 watters than 4 70
    	watters.
    
    	-pat

    I made a 4x12 with Celestion Vintage 30's,
    and a 2x12 with Electro SRO-12's ( old  used and huge ).
    
    I'd have to say I like the EV's better, if I could have just 1. 
    
    -2oe, sorry mates

I run my mesa mkiii thru a Marshall 4x12 slant cab, with
original speakers. Although I haven't ab'ed it against
other 4x12 cabs, I think it sounds a whole lot better than just
the single speaker in the boogie box.

I thing that the speakers in my 4x12 are pretty cheap 25 watt
jobs. It's warm in fender mode, but screams when you have the amp
tuned up marshall or boogie style. I rewired the cab to change  to be a 
better match for the external speaker jack. But, they say in
the boogie manual that an exact impedence match is not crucial.

Test drive one. I think that you will notice an improvement.
You should get both a fuller sound, and more cut.

Rick

    
    
    You will also find out that the Marshall cab is the definition of
    directional!  That Boogie 1-12 might disperse better!
    
    
    Kevin
       

    BTW, the thing in a .50 cal (and the .22 as well) *is* a Celestion,
    custom made for Mesa. 
    
    							Brian

    Several replys have already suggested it, and I agree.
    Give an EVM a try.  EVM's have a reputation for being
    too clean, but I have been pleasantly surprised by how
    good a cranked Fender sounds through one of these.  In
    a side by side with a 4x10 Marshall with Celestions, I
    thought the EV sounded better.  Best bet, find someone
    (or a store) with an EVM loaded Boogie and ask to run
    your amp through it to see how it sounds.  My guess is
    you'll hear a definite improvement.
    
    Also note, Mesa sells EVMs as an upgrade to their Black
    Shadow, so I'd expect there to be a difference.

    FWIW, I never thought EVM's sounded too clean.  I used to have a 12L in
    my old Hiwatt combo and it sounded excellent when you cranked it. 
    Handled the abuse well too...
    
    Greg

    Whike EVMs are known as clean speakers, when pushed hard, they "bark"
    which is why I love them for bass guitar...they add a slight halo of
    distortion around louder notes, but with a punch...what did Michael
    Anthony call it in those ads?  "Like an iron fist in a velvet
    glove"...
    
    The other plus is an EVM Seies II handles 200 watts RMS, the EVM
    Proline 300, these things are practically blow-out proof...especially
    run with a 50 watter.
    
    						Brian
    
    P.S. As far as what speakers come in Boogies:
    
    .22 and .50 use a "vintage" Celestion/Black Shadow 12"
    
    The stock Black Shadow used in the 60/100 watt models is of unknown
    origin.
    
    As options, there is another Celestion 12", and an EV 12" which are
    marked "Celestion/Black Shadow" and "EVM/Black Shadow".
    
    For bass cabs, the 10" and 15" drivers are "EVM/Black Shadows".  They use
    the EVM-L variant on the 15 rather than the EVM-B.
    
    All of these may be ordered as raw drivers to fill other cabs...their
    prices include freight and are *very* competitive with other mail order
    sources.

I have a boogie .22 and it loves my Marshall 1960 cab (4 70w celesions).  I'd
recommend trying a 4x12 you'll see loads of difference.  I haven't compared this
with a 4 30w celesions, but I'm sure they'd sound at least as good and maybe
better.

steve

      I'm currently using a Mesa 4x12 cabinet with 2 Celestions and 2 Altecs
    and a 100 watt head. I like the sound. Originally there were 2-50 watt 
    Boogie "Vintage" drivers in the closed section, but installing the Altecs 
    gave me alittle more bottom end. I like this combination alot, although if 
    something happened to the Altecs (which I doubt) I'd go for the EVM's in a 
    flash. 
      One thing that disappointed me was that Mesa screwed the speakers
    down *without* "t-nuts". They just screwed into the plywood! What a rip!
    I found two screws stripped and just hanging there (I bought it used).
    That next day I went down to the local hardware store and upgraded the
    plain screws to 8-32 tee-nuts and hex head screws (screws down tighter
    than a normal phillips, or straight slot screw and they won't slip
    as easily).
      I don't know who makes the Boogie "Vintage" speakers (they're not
    Celestions for sure, probably designed after the older Jensens) and while 
    they have a nice tone, they're not as warm as my Altecs.
      Very directional cabinet indeed! You wouldn't think so, but 8 feet to 
    the left, or right is ALOT different than in front for sure.
      Keep in mind that EVM's will add 1000 lbs to your cabinet ;) , but 
    worth it in my opinion...  they're great drivers. 
    
    
    				Rock on,
    					Fred

    Mesa literature says Celestion builds the Vintage speakers, and
    patterns them after Jensens ???? 
    
    Take it with a grain of salt.
    
    						Brian
    
    P.S. The weight is part of the whole EVM "experience".  8^)  8^)

    Nothing can compare to a boogie 4x12 cab with EV's. I've tried my MK
    III simulcast thru one and it blewww me awayyyy. It kicked!!!