Conference napalm::guitar

Sounds like Dicky Bets has returned.

    Now that you mention it, it is a bit strange that we haven't dedicated 
    a note to the Allmans.  Duanne was probably the finast slide player of 
    all time, and few people have come close to equaling his technique. He 
    got an incredible tone out of the Fender Showman amps he used. I read 
    somewhere that he used a little device that plugged into his guitar and
    provided the searing lead tone he was famous for. Not sure what the unit 
    was...may have been home-made. He also was instrumental in making the
    Les Paul one of the most popular guitars of all time. 
     
    The Allman Bros. band should be credited for starting the entire Southern 
    Rock movement as we know it today. Many of the bands that followed used
    the Allmans as a role model. A good example is The Charlie Daniels band.
    They borrowed the idea of having 2 drummers and playing guitar harmonies
    directly from the Allmans. There was a band out around ten years ago,
    which never really made it big that was made up of Allman Bros. roadcrew.
    They went by the name "Grinder Switch".
    
    At this point in time, I think the Allman bros band is no longer on 
    speaking terms with Greg Allman. If I remember correctly he turned 
    states evidence against some former friends in at a drug trial, and 
    many of his old buddies will have anything to do with him.
    
    I recently bought the CD version of Filmore East, and am enjoying
    listening to the old tunes I used to live by in High School and after
    graduation. Some of my favz include Whippin' Post, Statesboro Blues
    (the definitive Duanne Allman tune IMHO), One way out, and Stormy Monday. 
    I also like Greg's Midnight Rider.
    
    The combination of Duanne and Eric Clapton in Derek and the Dominos 
    made for pure magic. Most people think of Layla when you mention the
    Dominos, but I prefer tunes like "Bell Bottom blues", and "Why does
    love have to be so bad"
    
    Mark

I agree.  That CD kicks butt like the olden days.  I was really
pleased when I heard it...To the point that I bought it (something
different for a metal head!).

One nit though...with .2

I think Southern Rock all began with the likes of Grinderswitch,
Elvin Bishop etc...  the Allmans rocked it up a bit...
But The Allmans have to be the longest standing and perhaps the
most influential.

jc

    Saw an ad in Rolling Stone for their new album and it listed the
    band members. There was Greg Allman, Dickie Betts, and Jaimoe.
    
    Those three at least are from the old band, there were four other
    guys whose names I didn't know. They have 2 drummers again too.
    
    

    
    I remember reading somewhere (old Guitar Player issue??) that
    Duane used an "Arbiter Fuzz Face" to get his special sound. He liked
    the sound when the batteries were just about dead. I think Jimi
    Hendrix also used this device early in his career.
    
    BTW, some company is reissuing the Fuzz Face and stuck Jimi's name
    on it. It is a round distortion stomp box (10"), just like the
    original. I saw them in a music store not long ago.

    The Allman Bros. are my top band along with Li'l Feat. What kills me
    is the realization that with groups aroud like these guys (and many
    others) something like todays pop (kiss radio), or someone like
    sine-aid O'Connor can even make a living. But that's a discussion that
    belongs in the "Is Rock Dead?" conference. 
    
    Anyway, I saw the Allman Bros last year at Great Woods. Great great
    performance. They played for a little over three hours. They're coming
    again in a few weeks. Over the past few years, Greg has been busy with
    his own group - much more so than Dickey Betts. For the new Allman
    Bros. I was surprised that Dan Toler of Greg's band wasn't sharing the
    guitars with Betts. The new guy is fine, but I like Dan a bit better 
    although they play very much alike and have the same sound.
    
    I bought the new "7 Turns" album and it is definitly vintage Allman
    Bros. One tune in particular, "Gamblers Roll" Greg sounds like he's been 
    drinkin whisky, smokin cigarettes, and playin pi-anny all his life
    (which I guess he has - I can't imagine him well versed in the
    differences between Ultrix and VMS! "Lord I Was Born an Ultrix Man", or
    maybe "Good Clean VMS Fun"). Some might complain sayin they haven't
    grown. That's fine with me, I like 'em they way they were, and still
    are.
    
    Now this brings me to something else I've been thinking about these
    days. How come there isn't any local band that plays Southern Rock? At
    least none that I know of, and even if you know of one or even two -
    what the hell, why so few? I think there is a market for those of us
    who now play in bands to play SR. How many time has someone from the
    audience yelled "Skynnnnaaaarrrddddddd"? In my band "HEX", we play
    "Flirtin' with Disaster" and a few ZZ Top tunes, but that's it! I've
    been told by a bunch of people that we ought to play Allman Bros and
    the like. We may, I'm tryin to convince the rest of the group but I
    don't have much confidence it'll happen. I say that for several
    reasons, but the least of which is the fact that it's beyond our
    capability. For example, we don't have a keyboard player, but that
    doesn't stop us from playing "Hush" which I think we do quite well.
    
    What say you dudes, do you agree that there is a wide open market for Allman
    Bros. type of bandplay in the local area? How come we don't fill it?
    
    "sakman"

>I think Southern Rock all began with the likes of Grinderswitch,
>Elvin Bishop etc...  the Allmans rocked it up a bit...
>But The Allmans have to be the longest standing and perhaps the
>most influential.
    
    You asked for this....Grinderswitch was comprised of ex-AB roadies.
    
    Elvin had been around both the Chicago and SF scenes for years before
    he started recording for Capricorn.
    
    						Brian

<Sllllllaaaaaaappppp !>

Sorry.  Young pup indeed.
<insert redneck tone of voice>

Why I was listinin' to Tucker when me an Toy and Tommy was in...
Ya know.

;)

>    Now this brings me to something else I've been thinking about these
>    days. How come there isn't any local band that plays Southern Rock? 

There is a *very* good southern rock cover band called Southbound. I saw
them open for Stevie Ray Vaughan last year in Gardener, Ma. They played
hot version of songs from the Allmans, Skynyrd, ZZ Top, Marshall Tucker,
and more. Three guitarist, including one real good slide/lead guitarist 
that had that Duane tone down to a T!

re: Allman Bros. "Seven Turns"

This is a great album! TONS of guitar on this, and its rockin'! I think its 
their best album since the early 70'! If you used to like'em, I strongly 
recommend the new one.

It's great to hear them back!

alan

BTW - Was Grinderswitch really comprised of AB roadies ?
The ex-key man for GS played here about a year ago...
Looks just like Greg Allman...

jc

    Just my opinion, but:
    
    The Allman Bros w/o Duane    	
    Little Feat w/o Lowell George
    
    may be good bands, but they are not The Allman Bros, and Little Feat,
    respectively.

RE: Southbound and other bands...

Yeah, Southbound is EXCELLENT.  They used to play the Worcester to Boston
Circuit ALL the time with another band (called Tubleweed) with a former 
highschool classmate Donny Lavin.  I don't know what their doin' now, 
"But back when I was in school if you didn't wear a Tucker shirt you 
didn't get no _____ !"

(Sound familiar ?)

Anyway, there used to be A LOT of bands covering that stuff.  I think 
the audience is starting to thin out with us "young pups"

jc

    Supposedly they got to jamming at soundchecks and decided to start a
    band.....
    
    						Brian

    It is true that the Allman Brothers and Little Feat aren't really
    the same bands without Duane and Lowell George, respectively.
    
    Having siad that, though, I think the Allman Brothers' "Brothers
    and Sisters" is a terrific album, and it came out after Duane's
    death.
    
    Some of the slide guitar on it was played by Les Dudek, another
    one-time husband of Cher.  I know he had at least one solo album
    out, and I believe he played with Boz Scaggs one or two times.
    I have no idea what he is up to now.
    
    Back to the Allman Brothers:  I remember reading a quote from Dickey
    Betts that went something like this:  "Me and Duane both knew that
    it was his thing, although he always gave me plenty of room to stretch
    out."
    
    Good lord I feel like I'm....
    
    Brian

    If I remember correctly, the story of how Grinder Switch came to be is 
    etched into the back cover of one of their albums. They were definately 
    Allman Bros. road crew.
     
    If I remember correctly, Elvin Bishop made a name for himself with the 
    Paul Butterfield/Mike Bloomfield blues band, which was a Chicago-based
    band. Elvin was a country boy at heart, and when he started doing solo 
    projects, they had a distinctly southern aire to them. One that stands
    out in my mind was "Strutting my Stuff...Y'all !!"
    
    Anyways back to the Allmans'. Perhaps one of the strangest marriages ever 
    had to be between Greg Allman and Cher. Goes to show that opposites really 
    do attract. I seem to recall some kind of drug-related incident which 
    occured just before the marriage fell apart. Isn't Cher currently dating 
    one of the dudes from Guns and Roses ? She's old enough to be his mother.
    
    Mark
    

    Elvin had his own soul/blues band in SF after leaving Butter that
    recorded for the CBS susidiary Fillmore.  He had a hot female vocalist
    in the band...Jo Baker???  
    			
    						Brian

    >Isn't Cher currently dating  one of the dudes from Guns and Roses ?
    >She's old enough to be his mother.
    
    The last I heard (like I really care), Share [yes this spelling is
    intentional] was involved with Richie Sambora the guitarist with Bon
    Jovi.  If I remember right, Richie is a little older then most of his
    musical generation, so I kind of doubt she could be his mother.
    
    Greg

    I'm the proud owner of "Share(tm)"!

    This new release is fantastic, I haven't been able to sleep on my
    stomach since I got it !   8^)
    
    Hopefully I can sweet talk my band into doing at least one from it,
    'cuz we do loads of Southern rock stuff.  I noticed on the liner notes
    something about a special appearance by Duanne Betts, Dickey's son
    maybe ?
    
    I was also glad to hear that Dickey was singing some songs too - I
    loved "Pattern Disruptive", so this was an added thrill.
    
    Scary

I always loved that tune "Pegasus" (sp?) from ummmm...Yipe.  I forgot
the album name !  Rogues Something ?  Not very typical Allmans style,
but I liked it still.

jc

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>I always loved that tune "Pegasus" (sp?) from ummmm...Yipe.  I forgot
>the album name !  Rogues Something ?  Not very typical Allmans style,
>but I liked it still.

Pegasus, a 7-minute instrumental from "Enlightened Rogues" (1979).  Excellent
album, and very underrated (to the extent that no one knows about it!  I didn't
'til I saw it!)

Other songs on that album that I like: "Crazy Love", and "Can't Take it With
You"

adam

Yep, thats the one.  Your right too.  Pretty good Allman Bros. album,
but certainly not typical.

jc

     What kind of Allman Bros. freaks -r- you?????
    
    I've seen 'em 9 times.....Nassau + the Garden....twice for the 
    Enlightened Rogues L.P.!!! Great Album!
    -Bill(still liked Berry+Lamar better than Dan !!)

I've seen the Bros. 4 times.  Once for Enlightened Rogues.

I've kinda gotten away from being a die-hard southern rock fan....
I've been into Metallica concerts and such lately...But I still
LOVE the Allmans, Hatchett, Skynyrd, Tucker etc...etc...

jc (Who ain't such a young pup) 

    HE ALSO ENJOYED PLAYING "I SAW HER STANDING THERE" BY THE BEATLES.
    
    
    ;^)
    
    
    HB

    
    	So, who is the second guitarist in the current Allman Bros Band?

RE; .26

Dammit Hunter I told you to NEVER TELL anyone that !!!

;)

    I think the guy's name is Warren Haynes. I don't have the cassette
    here, but I'll look it up when I leave. When I saw the Allman Bros last
    year, I was surprised that it wasn't Dan Toler and again when I read
    who's who on the cassette cover. I think he (Warren) does just about all the
    slide work. He did at the show.  Great guitar player. He played a PRS
    guitar all night while Dickey Betts played a Les Paul thru a Marshall.
    Warren played thru a rack but I couldn't tell what all was in there.
    Matter of fact, now that my interest is so piqued for the Allman Bros,
    I'm gonna call up a ticket scalper and see if I can't get tickets.
    Here I go again with the plastic.
    
    "sakman"  

    
    Whoever the other guitar player is, he played with Dickie Betts
    with the Dickie Betts Band or something or other.....so it appears that
    he was brought in by Dickie Betts, not Gregg.
    
    At least he's the guy I saw last fall at the Orpheum
    
    I think the Allman Bros. are very much the Allman Bros. as long as
    Dickie Betts is playing guitar for them.
    
    Dave

     Dickie's band is "Great Southern"
     

 << I think the Allman Bros. are very much the Allman Bros. as long as
 << Dickie Betts is playing guitar for them.
   
Agreed... And of course, Gregg is singing....

    Warren Haynes is on Dickey Bett's "PATTERN DISRUPTIVE" album.
    
    He has a lead vocal on the new Allman "SEVEN TURNS" album, as well
    as playing slide and lead guitars.
    
    Hell, he and Dan Toler ought to get together in the off-season
    and form their own southern rock band.  Now that .38 Special is
    gone, they can probably pick up a bass player and a singer from
    that band.
    
    The Allmans were on the Johnny Carson show two weeks ago.  One song
    featured the band being backed up by the Tonight Show Orchestra horns,
    the other song was "Good Clean Fun," the current single.
    
    It was fairly obvious Johnny didn't know who the hell the band was
    or were about.  But Doc and the boys played well with the band and
    the audience certainly roared.  Pretty good sound for tv!
    
    On a completely different topic, what does anybody think of the
    Ludlow Garage album?
    
    Brian

> Now that .38 Special is gone, they can probably pick up a bass player 
> and a singer from that band.
    
Actually, Brian, .38 Special are still kicking around (they just played at
the Club Casino at Hampton Beach a few weeks ago....)

alan

    Hi Alan!
    
    Okay, you got me!  I believe, however, that Jeff Carlisi
    and/or "someone" Barnes is gone, and I both of those guys
    were very significant players and writers, IMHO.  Plus,
    didn't the band also feature a Van Zandt?  Not that he had
    been granted a lead vocal in five years.... ;)
    
    As big as their hit "My Heart Deserves a Second Chance" was, 
    it WAS NOT southern rock in the grand old style.  Reconstituted
    .38 Special was/is more of a pop band.
    
    Anyhow, I was just fantasizing making up a group of different players.
    I do that all the time:  Make up fantasy groups of my favorite players.
    You know, things like Rod Stewart playing with a real guitar player,
    someone Jeff Beck, and maybe singing bluesier material.
    
    Brian
    
    For the record, Foghat is still around...but without Rod Price
    and Lonesome Dave, how can you call them Foghat.

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>                         -< Southern Rock Free Agency >-
    
>    For the record, Foghat is still around...but without Rod Price
>    and Lonesome Dave, how can you call them Foghat.

Wait!  Lonesome Dave Peverett IS still with them!!   I saw these guys last
month at the Channel.  First time I ever used my earplugs, and they worked
great!

Anyway, Lonesome Dave was the only original member left in the band.  BUT,
after they left the stage the first time, they came back a few minutes later
for their encore, with Rod "The Slide" Price!  I guess he was in town, and he
jammed some blues with them for another 20 minutes or so.  It was great to see
this reuniting of sorts.

BTW, I thought Lonesome Dave was an American.  After hearing him speak at the
show, I'm convinced he's British.  He's definitely got an accent.   Are the
other original members American?  I thought they were from Long Island (that's
where Bearsville Records is, at least!)

adam

    How many Foghats are out there?  For the last few years, the original
    drummer has been touring under the band name, too....
    
    							Brian

    The 3/4 of the "original" Foghat, Lonesome Dave, the drummer (Roger Earl?)
    and Tony Stevens, were previously members of Savoy Brown, one of the
    classic British blooze-rock bands.  You can hear this band, fronted by
    Kim Simmonds, on the album "Looking In" (worth hearing, especially if
    you like Foghat).  Foghat was formed shortly thereafter, in the
    mid-70's.
    
    /rick

    How many Foghats are there?
    
    Well, two, for now.
    
    I have a copy of the club listings from the Boston Phoenix from 
    a few weeks ago that have *on the same page* an ad for Foghat
    and for one for "Lonesome Dave's Foghat."
    
    I believe "Foghat" features original drummer Roger Earl...they've been
    around New England for several years.  I don't know anything about
    Lonesome Dave's Foghat...but that would be the "edition" of Foghat
    I'd prefer to see.
    
    Brian

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>                      -< There are two Foghats...for now >-

>    I have a copy of the club listings from the Boston Phoenix from 
>    a few weeks ago that have *on the same page* an ad for Foghat
>    and for one for "Lonesome Dave's Foghat."
>    
>    I believe "Foghat" features original drummer Roger Earl...they've been
>    around New England for several years.  I don't know anything about
>    Lonesome Dave's Foghat...but that would be the "edition" of Foghat
>    I'd prefer to see.

That's interesting.  I never noticed the "Foghat" listing in the Phoenix.  I
did see "Lonesome Dave's Foghat" listed at the Channel, and that is what I went
to see.  Perhaps Dave and Roger Earl aren't on the best of terms?  If the two
Foghat's were playing the same night, it would prove that Rod Price prefers
Lonesome Dave's Foghat over Roger Earl's Foghat :-)

adam_who_can't_imagine_Foghat_without_Lonesome_Dave_singing

    
    Maybe I read the cd insert wrong, but I thought that Dickie actually
    plays very little guitar on Seven Turns?  Am I wrong?  Scarymon, check
    your cd.  I remember feeling let down.  Maybe I'm just having a
    flashback or something.
    
    -pat

    
    Well, the CD booklet credits Dickey with acoustic guitar and "National
    steel body electric guitar."  It credits Warren Haynes with "electric
    guitar, rhythm, solos, slide."
    
    However, Dickey is pictured with a 'Paul and it *sure* sounds to me like
    two different guitar solo styles.   Probably just poorly written CD notes.
         
    Kevin

    Yeah, I *heard* a lot of lix similar to those on "Pattern Disruptive"
    and I'm pretty sure Dickey *was* playing on that one !  Wagaga ...
    
    Gotta be Dickey ...
    
    Scary

    
    	Right, Dickey probably didn't notice the poor cd liner notes...
    	I think he probably let the pup play on the album and he pulls 
    	the LP out for the road.  No slam on DB, I'd rather hear him too.

    Well fans, I went to Great Woods over the weekend to see 'em. They
    played for three hours with about a 10 minute intermission. They didn't
    announce it as intermission so alot of folks thought it was the end and
    kept calling for an encore. The concert was outstanding. ( Will someone 
    please make me understand why sine-aid O'Connor can make a living in the 
    music industry.)
    
    As you might have guessed, Dickey Betts played a gold top Les Paul all 
    night. He played thru two Marshalls each with only one slant cabinet.
    I think they were loaded with JBL's since I could see the aluminum
    center cones thru the grille cloth. At one point, one of the Marshalls
    broke down and started squealing. I don't know if they just shut it
    off or what, but it wasn't replaced. 
    
    Warren Haynes played both a Les Paul and occaisionally a Strat. He uses
    a dual setup. He plays on a Mesa Boogie (don't know the model, but it
    was a head only with a 4 band EQ) and a Soldano. 
    
    The bass player played an Alembic I think, but after this drum solo 
    (which was way too long - my only complaint - and I like drum solos),
    he came out with this thing that looked like a *24* string Bass. 24 or
    18 I'm not sure, but it was something else. Thru the night he was
    adequate, did his job, but not great. In his defense, maybe that's all
    you can be with southern rock, you can't be slappin and poppin and
    carrying on, especially with a guy like Dickey Betts who's just a little
    bit of a guy (5'5" maybe?) who plays without any theatrics.
    
    Together, these boys blow a lot of music at you. The band is tight, and
    given the simultaneous runs that have become an Allman signature, that's
    no small accomplishment.  Warren Haynes has big shoes to fill every
    time he plays slide, let alone Whippin Post (et al), and he fills them
    well. I never saw Duane, but Warren does his best to keep the audience
    from wishing he was still around.
    
    One other note, Dickey doesn't use anything but guitar and amp. He
    controls his distortion with the guitar volume and tone control. 
    Obviously, that's nothing new, in fact it's pretty old I guess.
    I only pass that along 'cause thats the only way I'd ever own a
    Marshall. They most definitely have a great sound if you can turn 'em
    up. But then again, I'm real partial to Fender these days. Given my
    choice, I'd have to hear the two side by side.
    
    "sakman"
    

    These guys will be on MTV "Unplugged" Sunday night, not positive about
    the time, I *think* it's at 10pm EST.  Gentlemen, set your VCR's !
    
    Scary (who hopes they'll do "Gambler's Roll")

    Anybody catch these guys on MTV "Unplugged" ?  I'm watching the tape 
    now ..... *good* stuff !  One of the few groups/artists that have been
    on there that really kept the "acoustic" feel.  They performed ...
    
    	"Midnight Rider" (Dickey is a sweet on an acoustic as he is on a gold
    			top Les Paul)
        "Melissa" (The crowd picked up on this one before Greg got into the
    			2nd measure !  Some real pretty double lead on this
    			one ...)
        "7 Turns"  (Good slide work here too.  )
        "?"  (The song's chorus said something like "... you better come on
    			into my kitchen, 'cuz it's gonna be rainin'
    			outdoors .." Originally done by Robert Johnson.  
    			Dickey started it off with some great slide work
    			and it developed into a pretty good blues jam.)
    
    The harmonies were dead on the money too.  Maybe you gathered by now
    that I liked this !  Yep .....   8^)
    
    Scary (who *loves* good southern blues, and these guys are the best !) 

    
    
    I don't know....this "Unplugged" show maybe the best music *television*
    show I've seen in years.  I mean, hell, there having a "Legends of
    the Grammys" show sometime in the next two weeks.  How many award
    shows do we need?
    
    I thought Stevie Ray Vaughan was very good on "Unplugged" and
    Aerosmtih were certainly a delightful surprise, as was Great White
    and their version of Zep's "Babe, I'm Going to Leave You."
    To date, the only disappointing thing I've seen was Joe Satriani 
    embarassing himself on banjo.
    
    The Allman's show was great!  I had the opportunity to see the band
    at Great Woods in September, and the tv show was different in a
    number of ways, besides the obvious fact that everyone was acoustic.
    
    For one, Dickey played a lot more lead on "Unplugged" than he did in
    concert.  Warren "the Cowardly Lion" Haynes did more of the soloing
    in concert, and let me tell you, he certainly knows his was around the
    neck with a slide.  You wouldn't get that impression from "Unplugged,"
    where he seemed to mostly playing rhythm, and occasionally doubling
    Dickey's lead lines.
    
    I thought Greg was in good voice both places.  For what it's worth,
    he smoked literally constantly during the Great Woods show.  I wonder
    if that helps him to keep that patented whiskey growl? With his hair
    pulled back, and the years on his face, he reminded me vaguely of
    Glen Campbell.
    
    Of course, the drummers, Butch and Jaimoe, were relegated to tamborines
    and such on the tv show, but they were excellent in concert.
    
    Piano man for the band, Johnny Neal, is very good in the Chuck Leavell
    style.  I was surprised they didn't let him open up more on the show.
    He certainly has some nice fills in the song, "Seven Turns."  For
    the most part, though, he also played rhythm acoustic guitar.
    
    Seeing "Midnight Rider" and "Melissa" played in an an all acoustic
    format was very nice....very sweet, if you will.  I don't
    know...sometimes, particularly on cold, gray winter days, the idea of 
    getting a pair of cowboys boots, a flask of sour mash, a Goldtop, and an 
    old Marshall really appeals to me.  :)
    
    
    Brian

    That song Melissa is AWESOME !
    
    jc (Who was in a band many moons ago that covered it...)

    
    
    
    yes, right on to good clean fun. we play in our band. 2 guitars, bass,
    and drums. we have alot of fun on this song.
                                                 blizzard bob

    Anyone hear of Larry Howard of Grinderswitch?  Supposedly they've
    opened for the Allman Brothers, Charlie Daniels, and Marshall Tucker at
    different times over the years.
    
    How is he as a guitarist?
    
    Mike

    Grinderswitch ROCKS !!
    
    They have BEEN around too !  Read the liners notes to some old Skynyrd
    albums...Skynyrd thanks them on a couple of occasions.  If you like
    Delta Blues/Rock, you'd be likin' the slide work and plain ole pickin'.
    Also mentioned in Molly Hatchetts liner notes too.
    
    I hadn't seen them in ten years or so, but I bet they haven't lost it.
    
    jc

    That's good news.  Larry Howard just released his first solo album on a
    Christian label.  I'll have to check it out.
    
    Mike

    Anybody out there picked up the new Allman Brothers album ?  Is it even
    available yet ?  I've been hearing a tune from it on the radio lately
    (can't remember the name) but it's pretty good ....
    
    Scary

    I got the new CD this weekend ... can't even remember the name of it. 
    But it's pretty good - not as good as `7 Turns', but it has a LOT of
    similarities.  Plus, they do `Come Into My Kitchen' like they did on
    the MTV Unplugged special.  More details will follow after I spin the
    CD a few more times.  Hell, I might even remember what the name is.
    
    Scary (duh ...)

    
    Scary, allow me.....it's called "Shades of Two Worlds."
    
    The jury is still out on this one, for me, anyway.  The band
    parted ways with piano/harpist/backup singer man Johhny Neal
    last December, and for my money, it shows.
    
    There is literally none of the barrelhouse piano style that has
    colored such Allman songs as Jessica, Rambling Man, True Gravity,
    and Let Me Ride.  Ace key man Chuck Leavell was a pretty prominent
    part of the Allman sound following Duane's death in the early
    seventies, and Johnny Neel had reintroduced the piano flavorings
    to "Seven Turns."
    
    His harp, while rarely used as a solo instrument on Seven Turns,
    was all over the place, providing a fine blues tension, if you will,
    to the songs.  I miss that.
    
    Now for the good news:  If you are a guitar player, there's more
    jamming between Dickey and Warren than on the last album.  The
    songs are longer in general, and less-focused.  The sound is
    more "southern rock" than the last album.  Even though they
    more or less pioneered the sound, it has a vaguely Marshall
    Tucker, Outlaws feel, due mostly to the extensive jams.
    
    Greg sings more than he did on the last album.  If memory serves,
    he sings all but one song!
    
    The Robert Johnson cover is great...Come On in My Kitchen is almost
    worth the price of the album.
    
    Also, the album is more "rock-y" than the last album.
    
    On the whole, I prefer "Seven Turns" and "Brothers and Sisters."
    But I will continue to listen to this album.  I feel it's something
    I'll probably grown into.
    
    BTW, Seyour Duncan is now offering a Dickey Betts pickup...
    
    Brian
    

    Thanks Brian, you saved me a lot of typing ...  8^)
    
    I'm listening to it right now, and yes, there is a lot more guitar work
    than on `7 Turns'.  It's definitely more southern rock.  I hadn't
    noticed it earlier, but the lack of keys really shows - the songs, even
    though they're good tunes, aren't as easy on the ears.  Still like it
    though ...  8^)  `Come into my kitchen ...' is playing right now ...
    gotta run ...
    
    Scary

    I saw the Allman Brothers band last Saturday night in Nashua.  Great
    show!  I'd have to say that Dickey is still a real fine player, and he 
    gets *the* Les Paul through Marshall neck pickup tone.  But, once in a
    while Dickey takes some chances and ends up hitting a bum note.  He 
    recovers extremely well, of course, but the clinkers are in there.
    
    Warren, on the other hand, is an absolutely scary guitar player.  He
    never came close to missing a note, including his slide playing.  He
    plays with an absolutely reckless precision; his chances aren't really
    chances because he is just that good.
    
    The band was tight, sounded wonderful, and seemed to really be having
    fun.  At one point in the extended intro to "In Memory of Elizabeth
    Reed," Greg had this "Come on, guys, can we play the song?" look on his
    face, but he was still smiling.
    
    Kevin
      
    
    

    I thought this quote was so cool when I read it recently that I just
    had to post it.

         "Develop your talent, man, and leave the world something.
          Records are really gifts from people.  To think that an 
          artist would love you enough to share his music is a 
          beautiful thing."

                                               - Duane Allman

I was not really impressed with the Allman Brothers box set when it came out
a year or so ago. There was too much pre-Allman stuff, and too much solo
work (do I really need songs from the Dickie Betts Band???). Well, thankfully,
Polygram has answered my prayers:

The Allman Brothers Band - Decade of Hits (1969-1979)
------------------------
Statesboro Blues
Ramblin' Man
Midnight Rider
Southbound
Melissa
Jessica
Ain't Wastin' Time No More
Little Martha
Crazy Love
Revival
Wasted Words
Blue Sky
One Way Out
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Dreams
Whipping Post

16 songs total, over 70 minutes of music on one CD. I tell ya, it would be
very tough to find a better investment for your $12!!!

(Minor nit - I wish they had included "Stormy Monday".)

alan

I'll put in a few good words for the boxed set.  The single CD "Decade of Hits"
does cover most of the high ground, but it doesn't include the 19 minute
You Don't Love Me -> Soul Serenade which I think was one of the real 
highlights of the boxed set.  As for the solo work, I'm No Angel saved me 
from buying an album to get that one excellent cut and I never would have
noticed Duanne's Tune (a fitting memorial tune) by the Dicky Betts band if 
it hadn't been in the set.  Now all of that said, the single CD is the only
way to go if you don't like the Allman Brothers enough to spring for the set.

Jim

    re .61
    whachu talkin bout "I'm No Angel". Afraid I missed your point there, and
    I'm curious since it's one of my better albums. After listening to it
    for four years, the only tune that i fast forward thru is the one with
    Don Johnson. The last one, "It's Not My Cross to Bear" is Greg and the
    Allman guitar sound (Dan Toler on guitar) at it very best IMO.
    
    "sakman"

sakman,

No problem with the album - never listened to all of it.  I did like "I'm No 
Angel" and wanted to have that cut.  Unfortunately, I am not rich enough to 
buy every album that has a cut I like.  The point is that with the boxed set
I got many cuts that I wanted (and many that I like that I would not have 
heard) by buying the box without having to buy all of the albums.

jim

    
    Yo, Sakman...
    
    If Dan Toler is your man, check out the video "Allman Brothers,
    Brothers of the Road."  I know it is available at Blockbuster
    Video in Nashua in the "Music Concerts" section.  The video came
    out in either '81 or '83, can't remember which....
    
    Dan is featured quite a bit in this video, as he was "the
    other guitarist" during this early 80s incarnation of the
    band.
    
    His brother, (whose first name I forget) is on drums with Butch
    Trucks.  Jaimoe is missing from this lineup.
    
    The Toler Brothers have their own band now, and they play throughout
    the South.  I don't know if they are available "on vinyl," so to speak,
    but now that Capricorn Records has been revived, maybe they will be
    signed.
    
    Dan is up to par in the "Brothers of the Road" video, however, the
    early 80s were not a good time for southern rock and the Brothers
    make a few tactical mistakes....like having the keyboard player wear
    one of those "Billy Preston hang-around-the-neck" synthesizers.  It
    looks pretty out of place, and sounds even more out of place when the
    guy takes a *synth solo* in Jessica, of all songs.
    
    The bass player for that incarnation of the band was Rook Gadflies,
    and he takes a pretty (not-intended-to-be) comical bass solo.  The
    double drummers drum solo is pretty interesting, though.
    
    Dickey is fine and Greg is, too.  Also worth noting are some acoustic
    jams that take place in a motel room.
    
    BTW, Dan is using a prototype Fender "The Twin" amp with a unique
    snake skin covering....aw, only kidding, man!
    
    Take care,
    
    Brian

    Yo Bri
    
    Yep I NEED to check that one out for sure.
    
    >>> like having the keyboard player wear
    one of those "Billy Preston hang-around-the-neck" synthesizers.  It
    looks pretty out of place, and sounds even more out of place when the
    guy takes a *synth solo* in Jessica, of all songs. >>>
    
    Well, better there than Melissa. I think the other keyboard player then
    was Chuck Levell (sp?). Chuck formed his own group after that called
    Sea Level (sp?). They did some jazz rock crossover tunes that I liked
    pretty well. I haven't heard anything from them or Chuck in probably
    10 years. Maybe he's giggin with the Toler boys. I would love to see
    them with or without Chuck. When it comes to guitar tone, Dan's does it
    for me.
                                    

    >>"I haven't heard anything from them or Chuck [Leavell] in ten
       years..."
    
    Ace piano man Chuck Leavell is a busy guy!  He played piano on
    the Black Crowe's debut album, and was one of the keyboard
    players for the Stones "Steel Wheels" tour. I recall something about
    him working with Clapton but I forget the specifics.
    
    Anyhow, he is in pretty big demand throughout the rock world.
    I suspect his price tag is considerable!
    
    He is supposed to have his own solo album out soon.
    
    If you like Chuck's piano playing, the Allman Bros. album "Wipe the
    Windshield, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas" has an *extensive* amount
    of Chuck on it (it's a live set, incidentally, recorded after
    Duane's death).  The "Wipe the Windows" album is usually pretty
    cheap...
    
    Brian

    Does anyone know who wrote One Way Out??
    
    Lowell
    

    Rice Miller (Sonny Boy Williamson) allegedly wrote One Way Out.
    
    						Brian

        
        Got to  see  The  Allman  Brothers  last night at the Patrick
        Gymnasium in Burlington, Vermont.  What a show !!!!
        
        The songs they  performed  and  in  the  order they performed
        them:
        
        - Statesboro Blues
        - The End of the Line
        - Blue Sky
        - Nobody Knows
        - Southbound
        (Percussion left the stage and they  went  accoustic - Dickie
         Betts, Greg Allman the other lead guitarist and the bassist)
        - Seven Turns
        - Midnight Rider
        - Come on in my Kitchen (Robert Johnson tune)
        - I Got the Blues  By  Midnight (Written by the same guy that
          wrote `Statesboro Blues' - Willie McTell)
        - Melissa
        - Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad (Arlo Guthrie tune)
        (Accoustic guitar lead by Dickie Betts)
        (Electric guitar lead by the new `lead' guy)
        - Hoochie Coochie Man 
        - Get on with Your Life
        - In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
        - Love is Everywhere
        (15 minute break)
        - You Don't Love Me
        (Electric Solo - Dickie Betts)
        - Ramblin' Man
        - Whipping Post
        
        22 total songs.  .  .over  three  hours  of concert !  *WELL*
        worth the money  !!!    Some of the newer titles may be a tad
        off. :^)
        
        Matt (on a concert high today)

    
    I guess this is as good as place as any to ask:
    
    What about Sea Level and Dickey Bett's Great Southern?
    
    Were these good bands?  What was the music like?
    
    It seems unlikely that either of these bands are going to make it
    CD.  Are they worth tracking down in the vintage and used records
    market.
    
    Any opinions, rememberances, scattered opinions, or driving tips?
    
    Brian

    Sea Level was kind of a weird band.  They dipped into a lot of bags,
    fusion, southern rock, country, sort of like "Dregs-lite", not so chops
    intensive (and they had vocals).  They had a couple of really good
    tunes, wish I could remember what they were (insert lost brain cells
    here)  8^)  8^)  The first two "Sea Level" and "Cats on the Coast" are
    probably the best ones.
    
    Great Southern never did much for me.  It seemed real formula,
    crank-it-out-one-more-time Southern rock.  I'm sure the band had its
    moments but I'd go for filling up the gaps in an Allmans collection
    before I'd go seeking it out.
    
    Dickey's first LP, "Highway Call" was a goodun, though. Definitely
    countrified, if that sort of stuff scares you off.
    
    						Brian
    
    P.S. Another spinoff was Grinderswitch. made up from ex-Allmans
    roadies.

    
    re. .71
    
    Thanks, Brian, for the info.  In fact, I just picked up "Highway
    all" on disc from Noteworthy.  It *sure is* country!  In fact,
    it's a lot more country than some (most?) of the country top-40
    stars are today...in a good, twangy, gospel-ish, acoustic way.
    
    No Billy Joel covers on this album...
    
    I also picked up "Pattern Disruptive" by the Dickey Betts Band.
    It features Warren Haynes, who is currently playing in the Allman
    Brothers.  I would characterize the music as fairly strong, but
    common, southern rock.  Still, if you love that fluid Les-Paul-through-
    a-Marshall type of blues-rock, this is a decent one to own.
    
    Brian

    Wasn't Sea Level's "big" hit called "13 Questions"?
    
    Was it? Huh? Huh? Was it? Was that the name? Am I right? Was that it?
    Do you know? Do you know? Was it? Huh? Are you sure?
    
    ;^)
    
    Edd

    re .72 - Dickey Betts Pattern Disruptive
    
    I'm pretty sure this is the album with the tune "Rock Bottom" on it.
    Great tune! 
    
    "sakman"

    FWIW, I noticed the piano player on Clapton Unplugged the other night
    was Chuck Leavell, ex ABB member.
    
    Dave

    Re: .73
    
    "13 Questions" was Seatrain, wunnit, Edd?
    
    							Brian

    Duh, you're right...
    
    Sea Level, Seatrain, Sea Sharp Minor. Them disco bands all sound the
    same to me... ;^)
    
    Edd

    RE:  Dickey Betts/Pattern Disruptive
    
    Yup, "Rock Bottom" is on there, along with a bunch of other GREAT
    tunes.  This tape *still* gets a lot of play at my hut.
    
    Jerry

    Doesn't "Chuck Leavell" = "C. Leavell" = Sea Level?
    
    That's what the Odie-meister told me, anyway...
    
    Steve

    Yup ... one in the same.

    stupid question, I guess, but I've always wondered:
    
    Who sings lead on "ramblin' man" and "blue sky"...which member of the
    band has that high "creamy" voice?
    
    Steve

    That's Greg, isn't it?
    
    gh

    
    A founding member of the original Allman Brothers Band, Dickey
    Betts wrote and sings Rambling Man.
    
    He also sings:
    
    Blue Sky
    Pony Boy
    Seven Turns
    
    Greg Allman has a gutsier, growl-type of singing and his style is
    best exemplified by songs like Whipping Post, One Way Out, Melissa,and Good
    Clean Fun.
    
    Dickey has a decided country flair to his singing and writing, and has
    in fact written for several Nashville artists, including a top-ten
    country hit for Mickey Gilley.
    
    If you like his voice...and country, try to find his solo album
    "Highway Call."  It is very country, and yet "Rambling Man" would
    fit right in.
    
    For a taste of a more rocky Dickey, pick up "Pattern Disruptive"
    by the Dickey Betts Band, which also features Warren Haynes, slide
    virtuoso currently holding down the fort with the Allman Brothers.
    
    Lastly, Dickey turns in a very soulfull vocal on "Southbound" on the
    new live album. "An Evening with the Allman Brothers," (portion of
    which were recorded at the Orpheum Theater in Boston).  Greg
    originally sand "Southbound" on the "Brothers and Sisters" album, 
    however, Dickey has been handling the lead vocal chores on that song
    for a while.
    
    Brian

    What? How can anybody mistake Gregs voice. He sings like he's been
    playin piany, drinkin whiskey, and somkin cigarettes all his life -
    which he has. Ramblin man and blue sky are done by Dickey Betts. In the
    new form of the Bros, Warren Hayes does some singing too. In fact he
    sounds very similar to Dickey. 
    
    Something else about Warren and Dickey - I can't think of two other
    dudes whose styles of playing so closely compliment each other. Dickey
    is good, but Warren takes it to the next level. Wouldn't we all like to
    find another guitarist who is so compatible and complimentry with us?
    
    "sakman"

>>    Dickey has a decided country flair to his singing and writing, and has
>>    in fact written for several Nashville artists, including a top-ten
>>    country hit for Mickey Gilley.
    
    Yeah, I heard that Dickie wrote "Achy Breaky Heart"
    
    :-) :-) :-)

>    What? How can anybody mistake Gregs voice. 
    
    Sorry, brain dead.  I should never note before having my coffee...

    
    God I hate that song. 

    From the amount of discussion in here, I take it that song *must* be
    pretty popular, but I've still never heard it!  
    
    Greg

    The Nightlife Band (+1) played it Friday night ... shall I send you a
    copy of the tape ?
    
    

    That's Dickey's voice, eh?  I was wondering...thanks!
    
    Steve

>    God I hate that song.

    you 'n me BOTH.

    Anybody see the Allman Bros at Holman stadium in Nashua on Friday nite?
    My wife and I had 8th row, dead freakin center seats. 
    
    Jesus, what a display of awesome guitar playing! I've said it before and 
    this show confirmed, there just ain't two more closely suited guitar 
    players in the world than Dickey Betts and Warren Haynes. It also
    confirmed that there just ain't a better sound than a LP thru a
    Marshall, or facsimile such as a Soldano which both Dickey and Warren
    used. Never mind the dam blast boosters and all these signal processing
    fx. These boys had it right a long time ago. Warren did use a Strat
    with FLS's for a couple of tunes, I don't know why. It still had the
    characteristic Allman sound. 
    
    The Band was tight, extremely tight, which is another Allman hallmark.
    The shared leads, the counterpoint melody lines, were dead spot on. It
    was good to hear Greg take some keyboard lead work himself. In the past
    they had Jimmy Neel who was good, but I always wondered why. Probably
    some sort of contractual thing between he and Betts as he was part of
    Betts' band.
     
    The bassist Alan Woody did a fine job but his job with the band is
    pretty non descript. He just carries the bottom with nothing fancy.
    He's good and solid at that.
    
    Butch Trucks is one hell of a drummer. Jaimoe is not. I've seen the
    Allman Bros twice with the current lineup and both times they had a
    drum solo. I can't say what Jaimoe adds to the group except history.
    It's not that he's a bad player, its just that he's so transparent. One
    might argue that Jaimoe just keeps to the basics to let Butch kick it
    out some. In my opinion, not so. Butch doesn't need the help. Jaimoe
    reminds me of Ringo, although I'd say he was a bit more accomplished by
    virtue of the fact that he'd have to be to keep up with the rest of
    the band. However, while soloing Jaimoe seems limited in contrast to
    Butch, but I can't dispute that he is part of the band whose 
    the overall sound is something to behold. 
    
    Instead of Jimmy Neel, they have a percussionist. I can't think of his
    name at the moment. My wife tells me he used to play with Spyro Gyra.
    I've seen S.G. twice but I don't remember him. He did a fine job, but
    again his work his just part of the backgound.
    
    I came away from the show thinking to myself that I had seen the best 
    band of all time. These guys play my kind of music. Although they've been
    around for a long time, there's nobody that plays like them. They're
    unique, which all the more confuses me when I think about the vast
    quantities of musical garbage on the market. But that's another
    subject.
    
    "sakman"    

    RE: -1
    
    Yes, Les Pauls, tube amps, major scales, and rock with that "southern"
    flavor....makes me feel good.  Everytime I pick up my LP to play,
    sooner or later, I fall into some Marshall_Tucker_Skynard_Allman-like
    groove.  I save the strat for the thinner side of guitar...and love it
    too, being an EC, SRV fan as well.....sorry I missed the Allmans in DC
    recently.  They play at a "smallish club" atmsophere when they're here;
    the name of the place escapes me.......
    
    Cool!
    
    Steve (40 with the body of a 39 year old)

    As mentioned in my recent entry in the Tone topic, you can get a
    healthy dose of the current Allman show on their new live disc
    "An Evening with the Allman Brothers".  Highly recommended.

    
    well, i think the best show i ever heard/saw was the Allmans when it
    was Duane & Dicky.  Duane reduced Dicky to an afterthought - not on
    purpose, it just took all that time to focus on getting your jaw
    closed after hearing Duane.  Matter of fact, i never paid Dicky much
    attention until they came back for their first Boston show after Duane
    missed the curve.
    
    but heh, enough of the Ringo jokes - he's certainly a better drummer
    than i!
    
    bob

    Oh yeah, one other thing I thought I'd mention. Dickey's Les Paul has
    definitely been around awile. I can't say it's a '58 or id any year for
    that matter. But I can confirm that its well used - very well used!
    The finish is worn to the wood where a pickguard would ordinarily be.
    
    "sakman"

re: .92

>    The bassist Alan Woody did a fine job but his job with the band is
>    pretty non descript. He just carries the bottom with nothing fancy.
>    He's good and solid at that.
>	.    
>	.    
>	.    
>    Butch Trucks is one hell of a drummer. Jaimoe is not. I've seen the
>    Allman Bros twice with the current lineup and both times they had a
>    drum solo. I can't say what Jaimoe adds to the group except history.
>    It's not that he's a bad player, its just that he's so transparent. One
>    might argue that Jaimoe just keeps to the basics to let Butch kick it
>    out some. In my opinion, not so. Butch doesn't need the help. Jaimoe
>    reminds me of Ringo, although I'd say he was a bit more accomplished by
>    virtue of the fact that he'd have to be to keep up with the rest of
>    the band. However, while soloing Jaimoe seems limited in contrast to
>    Butch, but I can't dispute that he is part of the band whose 
>    the overall sound is something to behold. 
    
Well, I managed to keep my mouth shut in the general discussion string
about Bruce and Ringo, but enough is enough!

"Uncomplicated" is not necessarily "bad"!  Especially (but not only) in
the case of drummers and bass players.  If your drummer and bass player
can hold the groove, you've got a wonderful thing!  A lot of fancy playing
doesn't necessarily add anything to sound, and in many cases can cause
the groove to suffer.

Haven't any of you guys ever played with a rhythm section that just nailed
the groove?  Didn't it make everything else just come together?  By contrast,
a less than rhythmically stellar drummer or bass player can really make
a gig long and tedious.

   re .97
    
    No Hal, that's not it. While Jaimoe plays, to borrow from your term,
    uncomplicatedly, he doesn't seem to offer anything; not even a groove.
    and that was my point.
    
    Uncomplicated, and carrying a groove *was* my point regarding Alan
    Woody.
    
    All this was my impression. Maybe Jaimoe can kick, maybe he does set up
    Butch, I don't know. My impression is as mentioned that by contrast,
    Jaimoe pales in comparison to Butch; which is obvious to
    when they both have parts in the drum solo. I couldn't help but
    make a comparison. 
    
    "sakman"

    I caught the show at Great Woods last night,and have to say that
    Dickie and the other guy are the luckiest guitar players going.
    I don't know which drummer is more responsible for that unbelievable
    groove,but it was the best groove I've ever heard. I would have given
    anything to be up there playing to that groove. No wonder 8/10ths
    of the show is guitar solo , who in the world could resist going
    wild with that rhythm section!!!

    Yep, most definitely a guitar players showcase band. Can you think of
    any two guitarist so closely suited to one and other as Betts and
    Haynes? Danny Toler is the only one in my opinion who could come close
    to complimenting Betts the way Haynes does. 
    
    "sakman"

    
    It may just be a simple case of coincidence, but I've read articles by two
    different music critics in recent months (one an ex-Rolling Stone
    journalist) both of whom cite Duane Allman as being responsible for their 
    favorite "moments" in rock music.
    
    They refer respectively to:
    
    - the intro to "Every Hungry Woman" (from the first Allman Bros. album)
    - the intro to "The Weight" by Aretha Franklin (Duane played guitar at
      the session)
    
    Dom
    
    

    >>-< Truly a great player >-
    
    Amen!  (right Buck?)

    Ted Nugent once said that Duane Allman was an a**hole because he
    insisted on riding motorcycles which led him to die prematurely and
    deprive the world of his gift.  
    
    							Brian

    >Ted Nugent once said that Duane Allman was an a**hole because he
    >insisted on riding motorcycles which led him to die prematurely and
    >deprive the world of his gift.
    
    
    Riding motorcycles without a helmet, to boot!  It wasn't 'cool' to wear
    a helmet.......what a waste.  I don't know the details of the accident,
    maybe he would have died *with* a helmet on....
    
    Ralf Nayder

    Even if he had a helmet on, he probably couldn't play much guitar
    after driving his bike into the side of a semi tractor-trailer at a
    fairly good clip.

                                                Gary Bewssee

    I donno, I've done it and I'm still playing.
    
    Greg

    Yeah, but if I recall correctly, the bike and Duane's lower parts went
    under the trailre, whilst Duane's upper parts was instantly stopped by
    the side of the trailor.

                                        Billy Eyedole

    
        >>I donno, I've done it and I'm still playing.
    
    Me too, I took out a Ford Pickup in an intersection in 1972.  My Helmet
    covered head shattered the windshield and my body punched in the right
    front fender.  I walked (limped) away thanks to the helmet and the forgiving
    sheet metal.......my Yamaha DT250 (brand new) was toast.
    
    You shoulda heard me play *before* the accident!
    
    Crash Dummy

    I wiped all three body panels off the side of the pickup that I hit. 
    Flew about 15 feet up in the air while his momentum carried the truck
    and the bike on by.  Nice of that guy to run that red light for me,
    wasn't it?
    
    Greg

    
    
    Since we're talking about it: you know what kind of truck Duane hit?
    
    
    
    hint: think of Allman Bro. album titles
    
    
    
    like maybe, Eat A Peach...
    
    

    Twas a Peach truck, hense the album: 
    
    "Eat A Peach"
    
    Thought I was just a head banger didn't yas?
    :-)

    
    
    Hey, JC, better do some work on that NOTES reader...
    
    

    Re: .111
    
    That's just an urban legend about it being a peach truck.  The real
    reason for the title was that every time the band came off the road to
    Macon, Duane would "eat a peach for peace", as he liked to say.
    
    							Brian  

    >That's just an urban legend about it being a peach truck.  The real
    >reason for the title was that every time the band came off the road
    >to Macon, Duane would "eat a peach for peace", as he liked to say.
    
    Coop,
    
    guess this means yer just a headbanger......
    
    8^)

     On this date in 1971, Duane Allman died. He was 24 years old.

     Duane is/was the only one besides Eric Clapton responsible for
     the fire in my gut I have for the guitar.

     Wail on Skydog

     Neal-who-was-19-and-whose-draft-number-was-37.

    Rest in peace, Duane.  I'm still listening.
    
    Dave-21-125

    Yep, me too.  Duane's stuff still makes me crank up the volume and
    remember those days.  RIP
    
    Steve_who_was_19_and_who's_draft_number_was_6  

    
    
    We young'un's dig him too . . .
    
    Jim_who_was_1_and_learned_about_draft_numbers_in_school
    

    >>Jim_who_was_1_and_learned_about_draft_numbers_in_school
    
    
    
    ONE!? dam, my back hurts......
    
    8^)

    Heard the Warren Haynes Band live on the radio last night.  The band
    sounded real good.  Surprise, they *didn't* sound like the Allmans. 
    Warren's voice reminded me of Frankie Miller and Paul Rodgers, and the
    music was reminiscent of early 70s English blues-based rock, like Free
    or Spooky Tooth.  Great "woman tone" guitar sound.
    
    Warren's band is at the Paradise in Boston tonight, 11/30.
    
    							Brian

    Is it Warren Haynes that does "Fire in the Kitchen"? That's a pretty
    awsome tune. First time I heard it I had to sit in the supermarket
    parking lot with my radio cranked up waiting for it to finish. Couldn't
    walk away from a tune like that.

    Well, is it? He from down under, ain't 'e?

    --Ron

    RE: -1
    
    Yes it's him allright.  His CD is awsome and so is he!
    
    dawg

    I heard a GREAT Warren Haynes tune on the radio Sunday morning;
    something like "Broken Promises"?  I didn't know who it was at first,
    but it was one of those tunes where I just had to find out.  It has
    a classic, timeless quality to it; Warren's singing is outstanding,
    some cool Pino Palladino style bass work, and a gorgeous melody.
    This CD is on my Christmas list.
    
    I actually saw Warren's band open for the Allman's at Great Woods this
    summer (does he get paid overtime for these gigs :-).  They were great,
    I would go out of my way to see them again.
    
    Oh yeah, "Broken Promises" is a real good example of a blues tune
    that isn't trite, boring, I-IV-V.
    
    /rick

    Warren rips!  Why he even bothers playing with the Allaman's is beyond
    me?!

I can think of lots of reasons for playing with the Allman Brothers:

	money
	Dickie Betts
	money
	get to play Duane's guitar parts
	money
	exposure
	money
	name recognition
	money

	etc



Jim

    I hear the Allman Bros. Band get free rollercoaster rides everywhere.
    
    Dave

    New album on the way, there was an article in today's Boston Globe. 
    Butch Trucks sez that Dickey has sobered up and that the tour will kick
    off with an Orpheum Theatre gig in Boston.  
    
    Also the band will NOT be doing the Woodstock reunion.  Butch said
    it'll probably be a bust anyway, it might not even rain  8^)
    
    							Brian

    New album on the way, there was an article in today's Boston Globe.
    
    >> yes!
    
    Butch Trucks sez that Dickey has sobered up 
    
    >> can he play sober?
    
    >> is Warren Haynes (sp) in the 'new' group?
    
    sd

    I have not picked up the new Allman CD yest and I think I just found
    another CD I might need..........
    
    Heard a tune called "Hard Act to Follow" today and I forgot the group's
    name but the jock said that the keyboard player was Chuck Leavell (sp)
    of Allman Bros. fame.  Anybody got the skinny on this 'new' group?  I
    loved the tune (how predicatble)........
    
    steve

    No reports on the CD, but Allmans are headlining the H.O.R.D.E tour
    this year.  Other acts include Screamin Cheetah Wheelies (heard great
    things about their recent Boston appearance) and several other good
    acts (Big Head Todd maybe?  Cry of Love?).
    
    H.O.R.D.E is playing Great Woods this summer; worth a drive down for
    ya Steve, imo.
    
    /dickie
    

   What does "H.O.R.D.E." stand for?  I heard it mentioned the other day, but
   there were no details.  Blues Traveller is also playing in this, I believe
   (as well as some funky jazz band that was the subject of the comment I
   heard, but I forgot their name...).

   Thanks,

   -- Sam
   

    Rick,
    
    are you trying to tell me that H.O.R.D.E is the group that does the
    song I asked about in .130?  If not, does *anybody* know of Chuck
    Leavell's 'new' group?  Who, what, when, etc.?
    
    dawg

    RE: the last few........
    
    got the answer in the MUSIC conference......you guys are as useless as
    *I* am!   
    
    Chuck Leavell's "Hard Act to Follow" is by the group Brother Cane......
    
    I'm going CD shopping.....
    
    dawg

    	Anybody know if the Allman Bros. are still on tour???
    	Caught them at GREEDSTOCK '94 August past and they SMOKED!!!
    	I'm trying to find some tour dates for the next couple of 
    	months. I'm headed south and was wondering if I may just get 
    	lucky. (no pun intended)
    
    	-kev

    kev,
    
    how far south are ya'll come'n.  we'll check the Hotlant area fer ya,
    
    rj

    Florida. That's south 'EH?
    
    	_kev
    

    kev,
    
    they will be at lakewood in atlanta, sun. april 23rd.
    
    later,
    rj

    thanks rj.Now if they could just move a little more north....say
    Vermont.My south tour was cancelled.
    
    -kev

    The Allman Bros. startr their summer tour today.If anybody hears of any
    dates,please post 'em here.I gotta see them this summer!!
    
    -kev

    Kevin,
    
    What area are you in:  I just checked the Ticketmaster Web page
    and for MA it had:
    
    	   DATE        ACT                    VENUE
    	 4-AUG-95   ALLMAN BROTHERS     Great Woods Ctr
    	11-AUG-95   ALLMAN BROTHERS     Great Woods Ctr
    
    http://www.ticketmaster.com/

Here's the result from a "help" query:

Welcome to Musi-Cal!
  Sponsored in part by O'Donnell, Wicklund, Pigozzi and Peterson, Architects

--- Please do not  reply to  this message to  generate  a new Musi-Cal ---
--- query.  To avoid  potentially disastrous mail  loops we  can't set ---
--- the Reply-To:  address to concerts@calendar.com.   Please create a ---
--- new mail message for subsequent queries.  Thank you.               ---



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                                  Introduction

Musi-Cal(tm) is a live music calendar created and managed by Automatrix,
Inc.  Two interfaces are provided, one via email and one via the World-Wide
Web. If you have access to the World-Wide Web, point your browser at
<URL:http://www.automatrix.com/concerts/>.  If you don't, you can access the
calendar by sending email to concerts@calendar.com.  This document describes
the email version of Musi-Cal available by sending mail to
concerts@calendar.com.

The list processor supports the following commands:

   *  get - get various lists from the calendar
   *  add - add an entry to the calendar
   *  clear - clear saved information from previous add commands
   *  delquery - delete a repetitive query
   *  convert - convert entries from other formats into Musi-Cal format
   *  default - establish defaults for a subsequent convert command
   *  edit - select entries from the database to edit
   *  change - modify entries in the database
   *  help - get this document in plain text form by email
   *  faq - get the frequently asked questions by email
   *  flyer - get the PostScript Musi-Cal flyer by email

Commands are given on a line by themselves. Subcommands are given one per
line as a keyword followed by zero or more extra words. Leading and trailing
whitespace is ignored. A line ending in a backslash ('\') causes the
immediately following end-of-line to be ignored.  The Subject field of the
message is ignored. All messages sent should receive a reply. If you send a
message but don't get a reply within a reasonable amount of time, please let
us know.

                                  Get Command

The get command is used to query the Musi-Cal database. It accepts a set of
subcommands followed by an end subcommand and generates a query to the
calendar.

The following subcommands are available. At least one must be given. Unlike the
add comand values given do not carry over between successive get commands.

   *  type constrains the search based on the type of music. Valid values are
     currently blues, classical, country, rock, newage, religious, ethnic,
     folk, jazz, rap, and other. Multiple types can be listed, separated by
     commas.
   *  keywords constrains the search based on one or more keywords that
     describe the music in some way. Keywords are in some sense modifiers of
     the type field or describe the music in a different way. At the moment the
     following keywords are known to the processor: a cappella, acid, acoustic,
     african, alternative, american, bebop, big band, bluegrass, celtic,
     chamber music, choral, contemporary, dance, dixieland, early music, funk,
     gospel, heavy metal, indian, indie, kid's music, latin, light opera,
     mainstream, opera, progressive, r&b, ragtime, reggae, ska, solo, swing,
     symphonic, traditional, vocals and world beat. Note: The use of keywords
     is a recent addition to Musi-Cal. Most entries in the database do not yet
     have keywords associated with them.
   *  date specifies a date or range of dates in which to constrain the search.
     Dates may be given in American (e.g., August 12, 1993), European (e.g., 12
     August 1993) or numeric (e.g., 8/4/95) form. Numeric dates must be of the
     form month/day/year. Multiple dates can be given (e.g., August 12-13,
     1993, 12 December 1994 - 4 January 1995 or 4/5/95-4/9/95). Note that if
     multiple dates are given, both dates must be in either American or
     European form.
   *  city constrains the search to a particular city.
   *  state constrains the search to a particular US state or Canadian
     province. It may also be called province. State and province names should
     be case-insensitive. Full names (e.g., Pennsylvania or Ontario) and
     two-letter postal abbreviations (e.g., PA or ON) are understood. Other
     abbreviations (e.g., Penn. or ONT) are not recognized.
   *  country constrains the search to a particular country outside the US and
     Canada. Currently only full country names are understood. Eventually the
     two-letter ISO country codes will be understood.
   *  performer constrains the search based upon the name of the performer(s).
     Multiple performers must be separated by '/'. You can query using the full
     name (e.g., Doc Watson or Watson, Doc) or by last name (for individual
     performers).
   *  radius lists the radius about a given city to search. For this to be
     effective both a city and state, province or country must be given. Radius
     calculations are based on the latitude and longitude of a city. Simply
     giving the city name is not enough. For instance, there are two cities
     named Albany in Canada, one in Australia, and seventeen (!) in the United
     States. Units of miles or km may be given. miles is the default.
   *  nhits identifies the maximum number of matching entries to return. The
     most that will be returned (regardless of what you specify) is currently
     200.
   *  age restricts matches by the age of the entry. Each entry has a
     submission date. age 5 would restrict the query to entries that are no
     more than 5 days old.

Here are some examples of valid get commands. The first returns all upcoming
performances by Doc Watson within a radius of 100 miles of Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania, returning at most 20 hits.

    get
        performer Watson, Doc
        city Philadelphia
        state PA
        radius 100 miles
        nhits 20
    end

The following command returns all upcoming folk and country music events in
Austin, Texas between 1 March and 15 June 1995.

    get
        type folk, country
        city Austin
        state Texas
        date 1 March 1995 - 15 June 1995
    end

Repetitive Queries

Musi-Cal supports repetitive queries. These work just like regular queries
except they are not only executed when submitted, but are saved and repeated
with either daily, weekly or monthly frequencies. Mail will be sent to you only
if the query yields positive results. The repeat subcommand takes either daily,
weekly or monthly as an argument. When a repeat subcommand is given the age
subcommand is restricted to have a value no more than twice the length of the
query frequency:

    Query frequency             Maximum Entry Age
    ---------------             -----------------
        daily                            2
        weekly                          14
        monthly                         60

Here is a simple example:

    get
        city Austin
        state TX
        age 1
        repeat daily
    end

The above query would be repeated every day. No entries over one day old would
match.

                                Delquery Command

When a repetitive query command is submitted an id is assigned for it and
returned to you. It is also returned whenever the query is executed. To delete
a repetitive query, simply send a delquery command. For instance:

    delquery
        id user@somewhere.com.daily.18522
    end

                                  Add Command

The add command accepts a set of subcommands following it up to an end
subcommand and creates an entry in the calendar database. Several different
subcommands are accepted. The following subcommands are required:

   *  date is the date of the event. Dates may be given in American (e.g.,
     August 12, 1993), European (e.g., 12 August 1993) or numeric (e.g.,
     8/4/95) form. Numeric dates must be of the form month/day/year. If an
     event spans multiple days or if the same performer will be giving concerts
     at the same location over multiple days, multiple dates can be given
     (e.g., August 12-13, 1993, 12 December 1994 - 4 January 1995 or
     4/5/95-4/9/95). Note that if multiple dates are given, both dates must be
     in either American or European form.Dates may be given in American (e.g.,
     August 12, 1993) or European (e.g., 12 August 1993) form.
   *  city is the city where the event will take place.
   *  state is the state where the event will take place. It may also be called
     province. The state or province can be given in full (e.g., Pennsylvania
     or Ontario) or abbreviated using the US Postal Service abbreviations
     (e.g., PA or ON). Anything else will be rejected by the command processor.
   *  country is the name of the country if the concert occurs outside the US
     or Canada. Currently only full country names are understood. Eventually
     the two-letter ISO country codes will be understood.
   *  performer names the performer(s) (band, conductor, soloists, ...).
     Multiple performers are separated by '/'. Performers' names should be
     given in sorting order. For individuals this is usually Last Name, First
     Name (e.g., 'Watson, Doc'). The performer subcommand is not required empty
     if the event subcommand is given. If the performer plays a particular
     instrument or conducts this can be given in parentheses following the
     performer name (e.g., Ma, Yo-Yo (cello)).
   *  event is used to identify an event other than a single concert. This
     includes music festivals, songwriter workshops, and fiddle and dance
     contests. It is required if no performers are listed using the performer
     subcommand. The only use currently made of the event field is display it
     in query output. Eventually event-specific listings will be available.

The following subcommands are optional:

   *  type is the type of music event. Valid values are currently blues,
     classical, country, rock, newage, religious, ethnic, folk, jazz, rap, and
     other. Multiple types can be listed, separated by commas. Note: Although
     this field is optional, it should be given where known to improve the
     chances that people constraining searches by the type of music will see
     all appropriate events.
   *  keywords are in some sense modifiers of the type field or describe the
     music in a different way. At the moment the following keywords are known
     to the processor: a cappella, acid, acoustic, african, alternative,
     american, bebop, big band, bluegrass, celtic, chamber music, choral,
     contemporary, dance, dixieland, early music, funk, gospel, heavy metal,
     indian, indie, kid's music, latin, light opera, mainstream, opera,
     progressive, r&b, ragtime, reggae, ska, swing, symphonic, traditional,
     vocals and world beat. Note: Although this field is optional, it should be
     given where known to improve the chances that people constraining searches
     by keyword will see all appropriate events.
   *  venue names the site of the event (e.g., Sports Arena, The). Note that
     venue names should be presented in sortable order.
   *  info lists contact information about the event. This can be a phone
     number (don't forget the area code!), a URL (e.g.,
     http://www.automatrix.com/) or an email address. Email addresses should be
     given in URL form, for instance mailto:concertmaster@calendar.com. When a
     URL is given if it is the first word, a hypertext link will be generated
     when the listing is displayed on the World-Wide Web. The remaining words
     will be the highlighted text.
   *  program lists the program the performers will be playing. This is mostly
     interesting for classical music concerts. As with multiple performers, if
     more than one piece is being played, they should be separated by '/'
     characters. Where appropriate, each piece should be given as 'composer:
     opus' (e.g. Mozart: The Marriage of Figaro). We plan to eventually support
     searching by composer.
   *  time lists the time of the event (e.g. 4:30PM or noon-6PM). The time can
     be shown in any format that is convenient. It is displayed but not
     manipulated in any fashion other than to distiguish potentially duplicate
     events for database maintenance.

Here are two complete examples that demonstrate the major subcommands of the
add command:

    add
        type classical
        keywords symphonic
        performer Philadelphia Orchestra/Sawallisch, Wolfgang
(conductor)/Serkin, Peter
        date 31 January 1995
        venue Academy of Music
        city Philadelphia
        state Pennsylvania
        info (215)893-1999
        time 8PM
    end

    add
        type country,folk
        keywords
        performer Cash, Johnny
        date May 20-21, 1995
        venue Acull Theater
        city Nashville
        state TN
        info
        time
    end

Note that the keywords, info and time fields of the second entry are blank. If
you are submitting multiple entries to the calendar only the information you
specify changes between submissions. This can be both a help and a hindrance.
If you are submitting lots of similar entries it simplifies the task
considerably. On the other hand, if you're not careful, your Green Day entry
might wind up in the classical music section if you forget to give a type rock
subcommand following a classical entry.

If the same group is playing at the same site on a weekly basis all you need to
change is the date. The following four add commands create four entries in the
database for the Madison Jazz Orchestra on four successive Thursday nights in
January.

    add
        performer Madison Jazz Orchestra
        type jazz
        venue Dotty Dumplings Dowry
        city Madison
        state Wisconsin
        info (608)255-3175
        date 5 January 1995
    end
    add
        date 12 January 1995
    end
    add
        date 19 January 1995
    end
    add
        date 26 January 1995
    end

If you want to clear a single field, simply enter it with no arguments. For
instance, the following entry makes sure the info field from the previous entry
is not used inadvertently.

    add
        performer Sturm, Hans/Grassel, Jack/Richeson, Dane
        venue Reunion, The
        date 6 January 1995
        info
    end

                                 Clear Command

To clear all fields, simply issue a clear command. This is often more
convenient than entering multiple blank fields to guarantee they are empty.

    add
        performer Sturm, Hans/Grassel, Jack/Richeson, Dane
        venue Reunion, The
        date 6 January 1995
        info
    end

    clear

    add
        performer Hellerman Quartet, John
        date 7 January 1995
        venue Cafe Europa
        info (608)255-0770
        city Madison
        state Wisconsin
        type jazz
    end

If you use software that generates add commands for Musi-Cal from some other
format, each command generated should use all possible subcommands (even if
they are blank) or a clear command should be generated following each add
command.

                                Convert Command

It is very common to see lists of concert entries where each concert is
described by a single line. For example:

    April 10 Carpenter,Mary Chapin/McGarrigle Sisters/Baez,Joan
    April 11 Ian,Janis/Black,Mary/Baez,Joan
    April 16 Indigo Girls,The/Farina,Mimi/Baez,Joan
    April 17 Hinojosa,Tish/Baez,Joan

Coupled with several pieces of constant information the above list contains
much of the information necessary to submit all four concerts to Musi-Cal. The
convert command performs the necessary conversion and returns the result to you
via email.

To use the convert command simply place the lines to be converted between
convert and end lines:

    convert
    April 10 Carpenter,Mary Chapin/McGarrigle Sisters/Baez,Joan
    April 11 Ian,Janis/Black,Mary/Baez,Joan
    April 16 Indigo Girls,The/Farina,Mimi/Baez,Joan
    April 17 Hinojosa,Tish/Baez,Joan
    end

The real interesting aspects of format conversion are described in the next
section. Read on.

                                Default Command

Although concert entries such as those described above contain the information
that changes between concerts, the constant information is usually implicit. A
list of concerts for a single performer rarely identifies the performer on each
line. Similarly, the concert listing for a venue does not normally contain the
venue name, city, state or ticket information. While all listings will (or
should) contain dates, they almost never contain complete dates, simply the
month and day as in the example above. Finally, the format of the concert
entries is itself constant and must be given to the command processor in a
suitable form.

Taken together, we refer to the convert and default commands as the
Slicer-Dicer. The default command allows the Musi-Cal submitter to identify
this constant information. Here is a simple example:

    default
        venue Bottom Line
        city New York
        state NY
        type folk,country,rock
        pattern %{Smonth} %{sday} %{performer}
    end

The pattern subcommand describes the format of the entries.

The keys to using the convert and default commands to simplify event submission
are to understand a little about how entries are described and what pieces of
information can be described.

Each piece of information in a concert entry is associated with a tag, a string
enclosed in %{...}. For the most part these tags correspond one-to-one with the
subcommands available with the add command. A set of tags, coupled with some
literal characters, are grouped together to form a pattern. The pattern is
converted into a regular expression that is used to match lines in the convert
command. If you're not a techno-nerd and don't know what a regular expression
is, don't worry. A deep understanding of them is not normally necessary.

The following tags are used to build patterns. The columns of the table name
the tag, describe it and identify the characters it can contain.

    tag         description                     characters
    ------------------------------------------------------
    performer   performer name (in sorting      anything
                order!)
    type        music type (rock, jazz,         letters, comma, spaces, &
                folk, classical, etc)
    keywords    other descriptors (symphonic,   letters, comma, spaces, &
                early music, a cappella, etc)
    city        city of the event               anything
    state       state name spelled out          letters, spaces
    province    province name spelled out       letters, spaces
    country     country spelled out             letters, spaces
    st          abbreviated state name -        letters
                always printed upper case
    prov        abbreviated province name       letters
                - always printed upper
                case
    cty         abbreviated country name -      letters
                always printed upper case
    venue       venue name                      anything
    info        concert information             anything
    program     concert program                 anything
    sday        day of the month for the        digits
                start of the event
    smonth      numeric month (1..12) for       digits
                the start of the event
    syear       four-digit year of the          digits
                start (e.g., '1995')
    syr         two-digit year of the           digits
                start (e.g., '95')
    Smon        abbreviated month name for      letters
                the start (e.g., Jan)
    Smonth      full month name for the         letters
                start (e.g., January)
    eday        day of the month for the        digits
                end of the event
    emonth      numeric month (1..12) for       digits
                the end of the event
    eyear       four-digit year of the end      digits
                (e.g., '1995')
    eyr         two-digit year of the end       digits
                (e.g., '95')
    days        one or more days of the month,  digits, comma, spaces
                separated by commas (e.g.,
                '21, 22, 25, 26')
    Emon        abbreviated month name for      letters
                the end (e.g., Jan)
    Emonth      full month name for the         letters
                end (e.g., January)

Each of the tags listed in the table above can be used as a subcommand for the
default command. The default command takes one extra subcommand not listed
above. The docaps subcommand forces the processor to capitalize all words
(strings of characters separated by white space). THIS IS USEFUL WHEN THE
AUTHOR OF THE ITINERARY WAS SHOUTING. The syear and eyear are by default set to
the current year so they rarely have to be given. Watch out if you are
submitting itineraries that cross the end of the year, however. (Either submit
two separate itineraries with different default years or make sure the year is
given where it is not the default.)

Three special tags are also available. They may not be used as subcommands of
the default command. Instead, they are used to ignore fields (such as the day
of the week) that aren't useful when submitting concerts.

    tag         description                     characters
    ------------------------------------------------------
    number      one or more digits with no      digits
                intervening white space
    alpha       one or more letters with        letters
                no intervening white space
    string      one or more letters or          anything
                digits with possible
                embedded white space

For many tags it is sufficient to separate them from the tags that follow by
spaces, but for tags that can contain spaces (performer, city, type, state,
province, country, venue, info, program and string) a character that does not
occur in that field must occur in the entries and immediately follow the tag
(with no intervening white space!) to keep the regular expression matcher from
gobbling more input than it should.

If the first character after the leadin string '%{' is non-alphabetic, the tag
can contain various punctuation characters, including possibly nested tags. If
the first character after '%{' is '?' the tag is optional. For instance, if
event dates are listed as month/day with a possible hyphen followed by a second
day (e.g., 1/15 or 1/15-16), a set of tags that recognizes both is
'%{smonth}/%{sday}%{?-%{eday}}'.

To create a pattern for an event consider the following one-line item:

        23 FEB: Norway:  Bergen

It lists the day, month, country and city. The pattern specifying this event
would be:

        %{sday} %{Smon}: %{country}: %{city}

Since this entry does not indicate performer name or music type, they must be
given as subcommands to a default command. The set of commands to parse events
of this format for the Celtic music group Shane & the Popes would be:

    default
        performer Shane & the Popes
        type folk
        pattern %{sday} %{Smon}: %{country}: %{city}
    end
    convert
    23 FEB: Norway:  Bergen
    end

The resulting output would look something like:

    # 23 FEB: Norway:  Bergen
    add
       performer Shane & the Popes
       type folk
       city Bergen
       country Norway
       date 23 February 1995
    end

Note that all input lines are echoed to the output as comments for the
concerts@calendar.com parser. This gives the user feedback necessary to either
correct the output manually or correct the input before submitting another
convert command.

Note that the output from conversion is not automatically submitted to Musi-Cal
for inclusion in the database for several reasons. First, it is possible that
your pattern description will contain an error, especially when you are first
learning to use the command processor. Second, there may be some improperly
delimited lines that cause them to not be recognized or worse, to be recognized
as something they aren't. Finally, the command processor attempts to verify
that the city and state (US) or province (Canada) exist by looking up their
latitude and longitude. If they can't be found the processor returns a warning.
(Cities outside the US and Canada are currently not subjected to this check
because we have relatively little lat/long information for them.)

The use of the %{days} tag can cause more than one add command to be generated.
For instance, if the above Shane & the Popes data was

    23, 24, 25, 30 FEB: Norway: Bergen

and the pattern subcommand was

    %{days} %{Smon}: %{country}: %{city}

two add command would be generated, one with a date of 23-25 February 1995 and
one with a date of 30 February 1995.

Hints About Patterns

Generally speaking, the fields must be well-delimited. Fields that can't
contain spaces can rely on white space as a delimiter, but fields that can
contain spaces must use some sort of punctuation character to separate them
from the next field. Venue names are often multiple words, so it is important
to follow them with a delimiter that does not occur in the name if there is
more information on the line following them. For instance:

    2/24/95 Albany, NY, Eighth Step; (518)434-1703

Numeric fields, month names and state, province or country abbreviations are
well-defined since they consist of a set of characters without intervening
spaces. White space serves as an adequate delimiter in this case.

Make it easy on yourself. Make sure the input is delimited consistently. The
pattern that recognizes the Albany event above is

    %{smonth}/%{sday}/%{syr} %{city}, %{st}, %{venue}; %{info}

If you leave out a comma:

    2/25/95 Albany NY, Eighth Step

the input line won't be recognized or fields in the output will be shifted. If
the venue is optional:

    %{smonth}/%{sday}/%{syr} %{city}, %{st}%{?, %{venue}}

the above line will be recognized, but the city will be "Albany NY" and the
state will be "Eighth Step".

If you anticipate submitting concert information to Musi-Cal on a regular
basis, pick a format that is convenient for you and has the information
necessary for the converter to do its work. That way, once you get a pattern
that works submitting new events will be that much easier.

Consistency Checks

The Slicer-Dicer performs a few consistency checks on all input. This helps you
correct your data and catches some very common mistakes (like misspelling
location names, omitting required default information or incorrectly
constructing patterns).

   *  If any required fields are missing, the entry generated will contain a
     warning. Required fields include date, performer or event, city, and
     state, province or country.
   *  An attempt is made to look up latitude and longitude for US and Canadian
     cities. If this fails a warning is generated. This usually suggests a
     misspelling.
   *  A query is generated using the date(s) and performer(s) being added. If
     any matches are found a warning about a possible duplicate is generated.

                        Editing Entries in the Database

You can edit entries in the Musi-Cal database for which you are responsible.
Editing entries is a two-step process. During the first step you send an edit
command to the list processor that selects one or more entries to change and
returns them to you. The second step is to modify the reply and send it to the
list processor.

The edit command understands the same subcommands as the get command.
Additionally, it constrains the result to those entries associated with your
email address. A simple edit command is

    edit
        city Regina
        state SK
    end

The result will be a message containing (hopefully) one or more change commands
similar to

    change
        id 19950330-user@somewhere.com-239
    to
        type folk
        performer Bogle,Eric
        date 03 May 1995
        city Regina
        state SK
        venue Holy Rosary Hall
        info (306)949-6594
    end
    change
        id 19950405-user@somewhere.com-7742
    to
        type folk
        performer Kaldor,Connie
        date 20 April 1995
        city Regina
        state SK
        venue Travelodge Conference Room
    end

To edit the entry, change the relevant fields in the response. For instance, in
the example above, if Boogaloo Bob was to be added to the Connie Kaldor entry
above, edit it to

    change
        id 19950405-user@somewhere.com-7742
    to
        performer Kaldor,Connie/Boogaloo Bob
    end

To add new fields (such as missing info, event or keywords fields), add them
into the second section of the change command:

    change
        id 19950330-user@somewhere.com-239
    to
        event Regina Folk Festival
    end

To delete an entry entirely, delete all lines between the to and end
subcommands:

    change
        id 19950330-user@somewhere.com-239
    to
    end

Once you are satisfied with the changes, return the result via email to
concerts@calendar.com.

                                 Musi-Cal Flyer

A one-page PostScript flyer briefly describing Musi-Cal and our listing service
is available via email as well as on the World-Wide Web. To retrieve a copy by
email simply send a flyer command to concerts@calendar.com.

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concertmaster@automatrix.com
Automatrix, Inc.
P.O. Box 196
Rexford, NY 12148-0196
+1 (518) 372-5583
+1 (518) 885-0271 (FAX)
Copyright ) 1994, 1995 Automatrix, Inc.

Thank you for using Musi-Cal.

--
concertmaster@calendar.com
Automatrix, Inc.
P.O. Box 196
Rexford, NY 12148-0196
+1 (518) 372-5583
+1 (518) 885-0271 (FAX)
    

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    re.1938.141
    
    I'm in Ottawa, Canada (Happy Canada Day to meeee....).Thanx for the
    speedy reply. You have an address for that Ticket shafter site? Sounds
    like a cool spot to visit...
    
    -kev

    Heard this earlier in the week and it was just confirmed on the radio;
    Warren Haynes and Allen Woody have quit the band.  Rumor is that
    someone from the Agitators has been mentioned as a possible
    replacement for Warren for the summer tour.
    

    
    
    That's too bad, Warren is a fine player.
    
    
    Kevin
    

    re .144
    
    Did Farrow Mia have anything to do with that?

    
>    Did Farrow Mia have anything to do with that?

One can always count on Paul for the bad jokes. :-)

-Hal