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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1767.0. "Power Transistor Testing" by FSTVAX::GALLO (Bass: The Final Frontier) Mon Apr 09 1990 13:15

    
    
    
    	Does anyone have a simple, reliable method for testing 
    power transistors? I have a stereo power amp that blows
    the fuse when the high pass channel is connected to the
    DC power. The other channel works fine.
    
    	In any case, I suspect some blow power transistors and
    I'd like to be able to check 'em before I spend any money
    on new ones.
    
    
    
    -Tom
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1767.1More info....SIOG::PKIRKI wonder if I'm on the right planet......?Mon Apr 09 1990 14:5127
    
    
    Hi Tom
    
    Need more info....
    
    e.g. what type of transistor? FET/MOSFET/BIPOLAR etc.
    
    Are you sure its a transistor not an I.C. or a regulator.
    
    Since you cant get power onto the amp. its not going to be very
    easy to trouble shoot however you seem to have a short in there
    somewhere. you will have to remove the transistor from the circuit
    in order to test them using a meter accross the base and emitter
    and across the base and collector ( collector is usually the case
    ofthe device) keeping one lead on the base each time one side should
    show very high resistance Mohms and the other low resistance. which
    side depends on what type of transistor NPN/PNP. This all assumes
    its a Bipolar type.
    BUT.... if I read your note correctly you do have a good working
    channel to use as a reference.......
    
    How did you manage to blow the amp and why do you suspect the power
    transistors anyway.....this will give some clues as to whats wrong....
    
    Paul Kirk 
    CSE Dublin Ireland.
1767.2My 2p worth.CMBOOT::EVANSif you don't C# you'll BbMon Apr 09 1990 15:3326
    
    
    	One trick is to put a meter on OHMS connect one lead to emitter &
    the other to collector & touch the base, should make the meter deflect
    to some degree depending in the type of transistor...trouble is this
    must be done out of circuit & only really shows if it is totally shot,
    ie if its just damaged & the gain is reduced there's no way of telling.
    
    	In circuit you could look for the 0.6 to 0.7 v between base &
    emitter when the unit is powered on.  
    
    	In some stereo units they use paired transistors in one package
    (Darlington pairs) in which case both the above tests may give dubious
    results.
    
    	The only real way to check a device out is to put it on a curve
    tracer which will plot the characteristics under load & check it
    against a manufacturers data sheet.
    
    	Peresonally I'd check out the price of the part & if it's not too
    expensive try replacing it.
    
    	Sorry....not much help really but it may give you an idea.
    
    Cheers
    		Pete.
1767.3IOENG::JWILLIAMSWelcome to the Bush LeagueMon Apr 09 1990 17:3014
    A good way to trouble shoot a solid state amp is as follows:
    
    Get a variac to power your amp through. Use an ampmeter to measure the
    current going into the amp. Adjust the voltage on the variac so that
    only a small amount of current goes through. Use a voltmeter and check
    for shorts in the power supply. Check for correct bias on all the 
    bases, etc.
    
    PS. Don't forget to figure out why your transistors blew.
    
    							John.
    
    ( Who's replaced blown Darlingtons after someone figured they would
    plug in the external speaker jack before checking the wiring. )
1767.4Thanks.FSTVAX::GALLOBass: The Final FrontierMon Apr 09 1990 18:2422
    
    
    	Re: How I blew it
    
    	I dunno, it just died. I wasn't doing anything special. 
    
    	Re: Replace the parts 
    
    	I would, except it has like 12 or so output transistors.
    
    
    	Re: Fixing the amp
    
    	Looks like it'll be more complicated that I thought. Since I have
    	one (400W) channel running ok, I'll wait until I can afford to
    	get it 'professionally' fixed. I might even sell it as it 
    	is.
    
    	Thanks for the info,
    
    	-Tom
    
1767.5what kinda amp!!?!?!USRCV1::MCNALLTMCNALLTMon Apr 16 1990 17:0411
    What kind of amp is it???? I just finished fixing a Phase Linear 400 it
    blew a couple of output transistors because the a 15volt zener died
    causing the fist op-amp to go to the negative rail and since the amp is
    direct coupled the output went to -65V.
    
    I found that the transistors could be checked in circuit with an
    ohmmeter. Put the meter in RX10 or RX1 neg probe the paralled
    collectors and postitive probe on the emitters one at a time if you get
    a reading less than about 800 ohms ( could be 2 ohms if something is
    blown) look for the lowest reading (it'll be close) of the bunch and
    remove it. If the original reading goes way up you found it!