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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1738.0. "Opinions Wanted: Fender Strat vs. Gibson ES-335" by GLIVET::SAGEAR () Wed Mar 21 1990 22:03

                      Your Valued Opinions Are Requested


Say you want to play mostly blues and jazz with occasional rock.  

You love the look and sound of the 335  but you love the versatility
and feel of the Strat.  In other words you're confused.  I've very
little experience and that's why I'm presenting the question to you.

A few words about which you might choose and why would be really helpful.

Thanks,
Tim
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1738.1Go for broke - you'll probably get it !ASAHI::SCARYJoke 'em if they can't take a ...Thu Mar 22 1990 02:086
    I'd just pinch my beer and egg money and buy both !		8^)
    
    
    				Scary
    
    (who thinks every guitar player should own at *least* 2 axes !)
1738.2no helpTOOK::SUDAMALiving is easy with eyes closed...Thu Mar 22 1990 15:3114
    
    > You love the look and sound of the 335  but you love the versatility
    > and feel of the Strat.
    
    That's funny, I love the look and sound of a strat, but my ES-345 is
    much more versatile (in my opinion). The feel is really a personal
    thing.
    
    > In other words you're confused.
    
    Now you're even more confused :')
    
    - Ram
    
1738.3no easy answer....RAVEN1::DANDREAFrog lickers unite!Thu Mar 22 1990 15:536
    I don't know of any axe that'll satisfy the need or love of both those
    sounds....buy one of each.  Sorry, it's easy for me to say, but I have
    a Les Paul and I need to add a strat to the collection, 'cause I AINT
    partin' with my LP!!   I know how ya feel, dude!
    
    Steve D.
1738.4There was that Gibson back in 82 or thereaboutsDREGS::BLICKSTEINConliberativeThu Mar 22 1990 16:4120
    About 8 years ago, Gibson put out a guitar that was billed as having
    all the classic sounds (strat/paul/335).
    
    I took one home for a couple of days and well... it was pretty good
    and versatile, but it wasn't quite as good as a strat in "strat mode",
    or quite as good as a Paul in "Paul mode", etc. 
    
    I just came to the conlusion that if I got it, I'd still want a strat,
    and I'd still want a Paul, and I'd still want a 335.
    
    At the moment, I really only have 2 electric guitars (Carvin DC200 Koa
    and Steve Morse model).  I play only the Carvin, and basically have
    no plans to get any other guitars except maybe a strat someday if
    I come across one that feels special and affordable.
    
    To me, Strats are sorta unique.  Strat tunes just don't seem to
    "happen" on any of my other guitars even though I can do 335, Paul,
    even Tele type things on my Carvin and not feel very compromised.
    
    	db
1738.5the bottom line is.....RAVEN1::DANDREAFrog lickers unite!Thu Mar 22 1990 16:464
    Ya can't argue with the sayings:  "if you want yer axe to sound exactly
    like a Les Paul(or strat, 335, etc.), buy a Les Paul (or strat, 335, etc.)
    
    Steve D.
1738.6Why I play RickenbackerSMURF::BENNETTNo Nip Cars, No Nip GuitarsThu Mar 22 1990 16:5812
	I couldn't decide if I wanted a strat or an LP. So I bought a
	moderately heavy guitar with 2 single pole pickups. Now I've
	got the worst of both worlds. It's a bear near EMI sources but
	it sounds incredible.

	Next guitar will probably be either a Steinberger, a Gretch Duo-Jet
	(in dark green!), or the Coral sitar/guitar reissue.

	I say KEEP LOOKING

	Charlie_B_who_really_wants_a_Tiesco_Spectrum
1738.7IOENG::JWILLIAMSWelcome to the Bush LeagueThu Mar 22 1990 17:339
    Strats sound particularly bright because of the solid maple neck.
    Look Ma, NO FINGERBOARD! Those frets are pounded in there and the highs
    sustain forever. Les Pauls really sustain those lower harmonics though
    sheer body mass. The strat sound is not in the pickups, it's in the
    neck. Those frets are pounded into maple and, to put in physics terms,
    they are very elastic. No device I know of can reproduce the frequency
    envelope of those maple necks.
    
    							John.
1738.8No comparison? Two different animals!SALEM::ABATELLII don't need no stinkin' BoogieThu Mar 22 1990 19:1130
1738.9Strat for everything BSS::COLLUMJust do the move!Thu Mar 22 1990 21:028
    I play my Strat for everything (it's all I've got).  But I don't try to
    get a "335" sound.  What I go for is a "jazz" sound.  There's plenty of
    good jazz to be had out of a strat (as well as rnr, blues, etc.), but
    it won't sound like a 335.
    
    It saves me money! ;-)
    
    Will
1738.10Dropped over $1K for my GP-8, she never winked !ASAHI::SCARYJoke 'em if they can't take a ...Thu Mar 22 1990 21:528
    My knew toy (Strat with Dual Blade Humbuckers) covers both worlds, to a
    degree ... but the ONLY way to get everything you want is to BUY
    everything you want.  And it helps to have a wife that says "whatever,
    babe ..", to my crazy ideas.  The quest nevers ends, until the bank and
    VISA say so ....
    
    
    				Scary
1738.11I second the notionVAXWRK::SAKELARISFri Mar 23 1990 13:2214
    Yeah, I agree with all of you. A strat is a strat and a 335 is a 335,
    and anything different is different. Reply .4 said "Strat tunes just
    don't seem to "happen" on any...other guitars...." Exactly so!
    I have a Strat and a 335 clone (Guild Starfire V, DiMarzio pickups). I
    modified the neck pickup of my Guild to be selectable between series
    and parallel for the two coils, and installed a phase switch between
    the two pickups. It gives me a Strat type of sound, very mid range, but
    it is not a Strat.
    
    Beyond the sound, theres another thing about the difference between the
    two. If you're trying to play the damn thing like Steve Vai or any of
    those big hairs on MTV who leap around the stage, lick their guitars,
    sling it 360 degrees around their neck, (and never seem to miss a note)
    you'll look stupid if you got a 335!
1738.12I went for the semiSUBWAY::BAUEREvan Bauer, DBS Tech Support, NYFri Mar 23 1990 21:2011
    I went throught the same thought process, and decided on a 335 because
    of the greater range of tone (though I ended up with a Heritage H-535
    because it played better than the new 335s I tried).  However, having
    had the opportunity to jam with Greg House in Colorado this week and
    play his strat, having both seems to be gaining on me as a long term
    goal.
    
    - Evan
    
    ('course I need better chops a whole lot more than another axe -- my
    money is now going into lessons!)
1738.13CSC32::H_SOSat Mar 24 1990 13:118
    
    RE:-.1
    
    Hey, Evan!  Does that mean you'll vote for Greg if he runs for Prez?
    8)
    
    J.  Who_thinks_Greg_shows_up_for_practice_to_make_him_look_bad 8)
    
1738.14End of Chapter IGLIVET::SAGEARMon Mar 26 1990 11:4717
                                 STRAT VS 355

                               End of Chapter I

RE: ALL


Thanks to all who contributed.  I ended up finding a nice totally factory
84' Strat (light sunburst) at Harvey's Music in Milford, NH ($445 with case).
He's a seemingly honest, forthright, very low key guy who does all his own 
service work (including fret replacement).  

I really like the Strat.  It should keep me occupied for a while....but I
can't help wondering if the 335 would........


    
1738.15One of each is the way to goRAVEN1::BLAIRZZ_Ray_VaughnTue Mar 27 1990 19:206
    
    Mr Tim.  No one ends a chapter on us!  Just kidding, congrats on the 
    Strat.  I just bought a natural wood finish ES-335.  I also signed up
    for lessons - time to put this great gear to work.  It's becoming 
    embarrassing to have all this gear and no damn skill!  I still have
    a good attitude tho'.
1738.16TCC::COOPERMIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack pukeTue Mar 27 1990 19:325
RE: -.1> One of each is the way to go

Nhaaaaa, one of ALL of them is the way to go...

jc (Who can never have enough toys!)
1738.17love that resonance!CRONIC::SHAYNA::PCUMMINGSThere's a mingus amonk usWed Jul 04 1990 00:3315
    Well I played my one an only 73 Stratocaster for 15 years before I
    said... "I need a change".  So I got an ES-335.  And for the
    jazz-inflected music I'm playing these days, I can't imagine playing 
    the Strat.   The 335's been 'it' for the last three years.  It's got
    great warmth, sustain, etc.  
    
    Then again - to put on a Hendrix hat, it'd have to be the Strat.
    
    Kinda like comparing a Ferrari and a Rolls-Royce...
    
    How come my family gets uncomfortable when I take 'em out for a Sunday
    drive?   How come my Rolls won't do 0-60MPH in 4 seconds?...
    
    /paul