[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1431.0. "Low End Amp Head Sought" by NRPUR::DEATON () Mon Aug 21 1989 13:52

	Well, I finished the speaker cab I started.  EV-designed theile cab
with EV 12" SRO speaker.  Although it's designed to be a bass cab (only meant to
go up to 2K hz) and its really designed for the EVM12L driver, it sounded GREAT!
I already have the wood for two more cut out (as well as 2 of the 15" version).
(Anyone want one built for them?)

	Now, I am looking for an amp head.  I'm getting rid of the Dean Markley
Spectra 112A amp I have (sale almost finalized).  I want a relatively small amp
head, anything from 20 to 50 watts would be fine, transistor, not tubes (don't
want the hassle of tube replacing, and the sound is not as crucial to me now
that I have a tube-driver pedal).  Reverb not essential.

	The trouble is, its hard find an affordable amp head to fit into that
niche that I've created.  I figured that since you can buy a Peavey Bandit 65
for under $200 (used) or even a Special 130 for not much more, it'd be a breeze
finding an amp head (i.e., take away the speaker) for a good deal less.  But it
ain't necessarily so!

	It seems that there are a lot of heads going for the $400-$800 range, a
lot of combos going for the $150-$300 range, but no heads for the $150-$300
range!  Heck, I'd even settle for one of the Marshal Micro-stack heads (or the
Peavey equivalent), but no-one will sell them apart from the cabs!

	Does anyone have any suggestions as to who makes a low end amp head
separate and where I might find one?  I tend to buy mostly used, but if the 
price is right I'll go new.  Reliability is important.  A good clean sound
would be nice (as I said, overdrive is being done by the stomp box).

	I saw a Peavey Century head in Daddy's last week and thought that might
do well.  It's 100 Watts (a bit more than I need) and is made for anything from
bass to guitar to whatever.  I thought that it might be nice to have for the
concert situation as an extra PA amp should one blow up at the last minute.  It
was priced a bit higher than I wanted, but if there's nothing else, I guess I'd
go for it.

	Any other suggestions?

	Dan

T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
1431.1CSC32::G_HOUSEI guess I'm just a spud boyMon Aug 21 1989 14:468
    Are you looking for a bass amp?  I saw a little Marshall Micro-Bass
    head (never saw a Bass one before) in a pawn shop here in Co. Springs a
    couple of weeks ago.  I don't remember for sure, but I think they
    wanted $100 for it.  
    
    Only 15 watts though...
    
    Greg
1431.2You tell meNRPUR::DEATONMon Aug 21 1989 15:138
RE < Note 1431.1 by CSC32::G_HOUSE "I guess I'm just a spud boy" >
	
	My main interest is in amplifying a guitar.  Can bass amps heads be used
interchangably for guitar and bass?  (In other words, do amps base most of their
difference on the size of speaker used or is there more to it than that?)

	Dan

1431.3AQUA::ROSTMy mind is on vacationMon Aug 21 1989 16:2826
    
    Re: .2
    
    Bass amps sometimes (not always) have better low frequency response
    (the lowest fundamental on a guitar is only 80 Hz, on bass 40 Hz) and
    sometimes have the tone controls centered lower (for obvious reasons).
    Bass amps usually don't come with reverbs, overdrive, channel
    switching, etc. 
    
    For your application, finding a low cost transistor amp head might
    be tough.  The Peavey Century you mentioned is the smallest head Peavey
    made; most transistor heads are 100 watts or more.  BTW, that's
    a decent utility head, good for guitar (has a passable overdrive)
    or bass (good active EQ with parametric mid) and can be patched
    for use as a slave power amp.

    You said no tubes, which is too bad because there are good pickings in
    used tube heads at $100; Fender Bassmans and Bandmasters, Traynor Bass
    Masters, Sunn 2000S and Sonaro, etc., lots of decent 40/50 watters out
    there. 

    For used solid state look for old Kustoms, Acoustics and Sunns.
    Most of the ones I see in stores are seriously beat looking (nned
    knobs, dented up, etc.) but they are (generally) reliable.
      
							Brian
1431.4try Daddy'sANT::JACQUESMon Aug 21 1989 17:058
    I just stopped at Daddy's in Shrewsbury at lunchtime. They have
    3 or 4 Sunn bass heads, an Acoustic, and some used Peaveys in 
    stock. They also have a new listing of all the equipment in the
    chain, and I am sure they could track down just about anything
    you want. 
    
    Mark
    
1431.5---<Try a Kustom>---CASPRO::KALINOWSKIMon Aug 21 1989 17:3912
Dan,
    
    	For a good reliable CHEAP head I would try a Kustom. I owned
    one for about 9 mos....Their loud and clean and sound great driven
    with a nice overdrive.(I personally loved the Boss Heavy Metal)
    The one I owned had 2 chanels with built in Vibrato and Reverb in
    one channel. It had 200 watts of power between the 2 channels and
    cost me 200$. That was including a 2 15" Jbl cab with a monster
    15" horn to boot. They really are dirt cheap if you can find one.
    
    
    							Brian
1431.6NRPUR::DEATONMon Aug 21 1989 18:0512
RE < Note 1431.3 by AQUA::ROST "My mind is on vacation" >

	Apart from the extra features you mentioned (overdrive, reverb, channel
switching), is there any reason why a bass head wouldn't work for other puposes?
Since the tube driver I have has three band EQ, that shouldn't be an issue.

	The PV Century *IS* 100 watts (into 4 ohms).  Now that I think of it,
I'd be running it into 8 ohms usually, so the power wouldn't be up there as 
high.  What would that be, probably, 60-75 Watts?

	Dan

1431.7Oh, so you were the one I didn't see there...NRPUR::DEATONMon Aug 21 1989 18:1320
RE < Note 1431.4 by ANT::JACQUES >

	That's funny - I was there this noon, too!  I wonder if we were there at
the same time or whether we just missed each other!  (Although I doubt I'd know 
if it were you, seeing's how we've never met...).

	I saw a few different heads.  There was an old Carvin (no model number 
on it) that was 125 into four ohms, and had a 7-9 band EQ.  It had no overdrive,
no reverb or whatever.  Asking $99 for it.

	There was a Yamaha (G100-112?) head, too.  It had lotsa features: 
channel switching, Pull out for FAT on volume for both channels, three band EQ
(with pull-out for bright on treble knob) and a separate parametric EQ, and
reverb.  I think it was 100 watts into 4 ohms.  Asking $129.

	I also pick up that new catalog from them - they're having some kind of 
"Vintage & Classic" sale on used equipment.

	Dan

1431.8NRPUR::DEATONMon Aug 21 1989 18:147
RE < Note 1431.5 by CASPRO::KALINOWSKI >


	Thanks for the suggestion on the Kustom.  I'll see if I can find one...

	Dan

1431.9picky, pickyPOLAR::CALDWELLwhadaya mean by THAT!??!?Fri Aug 25 1989 13:4411
    
    
    Re: 1431.3
    
    Excuse the nit picking, but Brian, don't you have those bass frequencies
    a little low....by about an octave?  
    
    My bass E goes down to 80 Hz. If it went to 40, I don't think I would
    be able to hear the fundamental. 40 is pretty looowwww.
    
    Barry
1431.10I think Brian is right.CANDID::stephConstants aren't. Variables don't.Fri Aug 25 1989 17:286
The limit of hearing is considered to be 20Hz.

Plus, the low E on a bass sounds to me like it's lower than the 60Hz
hum with which we are all intimately familiar.

Steph
1431.1140HzMOSAIC::WEBERFri Aug 25 1989 17:331
    The Bass' low E is 40Hz, just like the man said.