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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1264.0. "Teaching Guitar in Foreign Countries" by PNO::HEISER () Tue Apr 18 1989 21:08

    I've just returned from vacation in Mexico where my wife and I were
    visiting some of her relatives.  I was pleasantly surprised to find
    out that 2 of her cousins also played the guitar.  
    
    The wonders of music and guitar playing helped break down the barriers
    of communication.  It was also very interesting to look at the guitar
    from their point of view.  
    
    Instead of using the musical alphabet: A,B,C,D,E,F,G, they use DO,
    RE, MI, LA, etc.  They also lay out the fretboard numerically:
    
    String 1 = 10, String 2 = 20,...String 6 = 60.  Then the frets are
    numbered individually (i.e. 14 = String 1, 4th fret).
    
    They also taught me some Spanish folk songs, including the original
    version of "La Bamba" and I taught them some American stuff.
    
    All in all, it was a very interesting experience!  Still don't like
    those nylon strings they use though :-)  The Spanish guitar does
    have a nice unique sound though and the Mariachis (sp?) are fun to 
    watch.  Been getting into the Gipsy Kings ever since I left :-)
    
    Can anyone relate similar experiences from other foreign countries?
    
    Mike
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1264.1A great way to meet peopleTYFYS::MOLLERHalloween the 13th on Elm Street #7Tue Apr 18 1989 21:3134
    When I was on company business (Aerospace company, not DEC) back in
    1976, I spent 2 months in Linkoping Sweden. After a few days I went
    around to visit all of the music shops in town & found that I ended
    up with a few new friends. Here, 13 years later, I still have them
    as friends.

    We shared a lot of insights about music & swapped guitar tricks. It
    was interesting to view the music scene in Sweden as compared to
    Los Angeles (where I was living at the time). I also met up with some
    travelling musicians from Northern England & it was quite interesting
    to talk & take in some local gigs. There was a monthly show that
    one music shop owner (about my age - a guitar player) put on with his
    staff that I participated in (I played Bass guitar).

    I also went with the guitar players band to a hotel in northern Sweden
    & had a blast.

    I didn't like 'Pripps' beer (still don't), so I always bought Tuborg
    when they were with me (that made me more popular) & I often treated
    for dinner (It helps when you don't have any real expenses of your
    own). My Friend Stig (the shop owner) was associated with 'Musiks
    Borsens' (I think that I spelled that right) in Stockholm, & I thought
    it interesting to visit a large european music store.

    About a year later, Stig came out and spent 3 months with me in
    L.A. As I say, we still exchange letters & tapes (I've sent tapes
    over for him to put a solo onto & he's mailed it back, sometimes with
    added vocals).

    I've a friend in Japan (No I wasn't there, he was in Chicago visiting
    at the time I met him - I lived in Chicago before moving to L.A.) that
    I also swap letters & tapes with.

							    Jens
1264.2"foreign notation"LEMAN::SIMMONSRichard SimmonsThu Apr 20 1989 12:5112
    As mentioned in the original note - talking to non English-speaking
    musicians is sometimes complicated due to different musical notation. 
    I forced myself to learn both since I have been living in French-
    speaking Geneva.
    (just for memory : A=LA, B=SI, C=DO, D=RE, E=MI, F=FA, G=SOL)
    
    I find that using letters is easier for reading scores (remember
    the famous EVERY-GOOD-BOY-DESERVES-FAITH, and F-A-C-E) - you just
    cant do that with DO-RE-MI...
    
    Wonder why there are still two systems ?
        Richard
1264.3Back eastFOO::BHAVNANISYS$UNWIND - laid back VMSThu Apr 20 1989 23:049
	The Indian musical notation starts with "Sa, Rey, Ga, Ma, Pa,..."
	which basically stands for the same notes - however, it may
	start with C instead of A (not sure).

	Interestingly enough, after 20 years of playing, I still use the
	10,20 system to write my homebrewed licks - I can't read or write
	music.

	/ravi
1264.4La BambaPNO::HEISERB#, don't Bb, and you'll B A(natural)Fri May 05 1989 17:4726
    One of our readers asked for the TAB of "La Bamba" off-line.  I
    figured I would post it since I wrote it up.  
    
    This is the intro we all know and love :-)

e
b
g                   0     2    0
d                2     3
a     0   2   3
e  3

Repeat this part twice:

e
b
g           2  2  0           0     2  0
d        0           2     2     3
a     2                 3
e  3

Then the traditional song goes into a pattern of D, G, A7 chords.
Sorry, I don't know the original lyrics and chord placement.

Have fun,
Mike
1264.5western equivalents?HAVASU::HEISERtocar la guitarraMon Jul 01 1991 20:484
    What are the American note names for the "DO RE MI FA SO LA TI DO"
    scale?
    
    Mike
1264.6DO, a deerGANTRY::ALLBERYJimMon Jul 01 1991 21:0222
>>    What are the American note names for the "DO RE MI FA SO LA TI DO"
>>    scale?
    
    	I don't think there are any.  "DO RE MI..." is a method for
    learning intervals and sight-singing pitches.  I believe the formal
    name for the sylable/interval relationship is solfegio (I'm sure I
    slaughtered the spelling).  For a major key, "DO" is the tonic or
    "base" of the key.  For example, in the key of "C" (major) 
    
    			DO = C
    			RE = D
    			MI = E
    			FA = F
    			SO = G
    			LA = A
    			TI = B
    			
    	In the key of G, "DO" would be a "G", "RE" would be an "A" and so
    forth.
    
    
    					Jim
1264.7exitGANTRY::ALLBERYJimMon Jul 01 1991 21:095
    RE : .6
    
    Just to clarify my previous note.  While for the key of G major, 
    "DO" is a G, and "RE" is an A,  "TI" would be an F#  (G has one sharp).
    
1264.8TENERE::LADRETGisement epuise (.neq.) mine de rienTue Jul 02 1991 08:2221
1264.9More Solfege stuffCAVLRY::BUCKJoin the John Sununu Frequent Flyer Program TODAY!Tue Jul 02 1991 13:2021
    FWIW, classical musicians use "fixed" solfege..."Do" being based around
    Middle C, and everything being relative from that!!
    
    Thank god Berklee used a movable "Do" system...it made life much easier.
    
    
    Wether or not you are using "Fixed" or "Moveable" Do, here is the 
    Solfege syllables for the chromatic scale:
    
    Do  Di/Ra  Re  Ri/Me  Mi  Fa  Fi/Se  Sol  Si/Le  La   Li/Te  Ti  Do
    
    C   C#/Db  D   D#/Eb  E   F   F#/Gb   G   G#/Ab  A    A#/Bb  B   C
    
    *a = "ah" sound  Ra = "Rah", Fa = "Fah", La = "Lah", etc.
    
    *i = "Tee" sound  Di = "Dee", Mi = "Mee", Fi = "Fee", Si = "See". etc.
    
    *e = "ay" sound  Re = "Ray", Me = "May", Se = "Say", Le = "Lay", etc.
    
    Hope that helps y'all pronounce those chromatic buggers!
    Buck
1264.10Addemdum -- More of Fixed DoCAVLRY::BUCKJoin the John Sununu Frequent Flyer Program TODAY!Tue Jul 02 1991 13:2731
    Addendum to -1 and others a few back.
    
    So, if you're classically trained, and used a "fixed" Do system,
    the Key of G major, for example, would be sung:
    
    Do  Di/Ra  Re  Ri/Me  Mi  Fa  Fi/Se  Sol  Si/Le  La   Li/Te  Ti  Do
    
    C   C#/Db  D   D#/Eb  E   F   F#/Gb   G   G#/Ab  A    A#/Bb  B   C
    
    
    Sol  La  Ti  Do  Re  Mi  Fi  Sol
    
    G    A   B   C   D   E   F#  G
    
    
    The G Lydian b7 chord scale (goes over 2ndary dominants) would be
    
    Sol  La  Ti  Di  Re  Mi  Fa  Sol
    
    G    A   B   C#  D   E   F   G
    
    
    Ab Mixolydian would be
    
    Ab  Bb  C   Db  Eb  F   Gb  Ab
    
    Le  Te  Do  Ra  Me  Fa  Se  Le
    
    
    Get da picture?!?!?
    Buck
1264.11I still don't understand.TENERE::LADRETGisement epuise (.neq.) mine de rienTue Jul 02 1991 13:3912
1264.12woah nellieCAVLRY::BUCKJoin the John Sununu Frequent Flyer Program TODAY!Tue Jul 02 1991 13:5012