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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1177.0. "INPUT? SATRIANI & SRV DOUBLE TROUBLE" by POBOX::KALLEVIGB () Thu Mar 02 1989 23:32

    I'm looking for help om 2 songs.... I'm a big fan of Stevie Ray
    and the newly discovered (for me at least Joe Satriani.  As far
    S.R.V. is concerned, his rendition of "Vodoo Chile" is spetacular   .
    
    Q: I've been pounding my head against the bricks trying to get this
    song down. I've got the "effects" and tools for the sound, it's
    just the song itself is complex but basic (confused? I am) I don't
    know how I can get help through notes but I'm open for advice.
    
    Q: As far as Mr. Satriani goes I'm struggling with Dreaming #11
    but closing in fast... What I need is any input regarding "his sound"
    I've been reading his tape jacket and he just mentions the name
    of the Effects Outfit tht helped him, no peticulars. 
    
    Big request, any input????
    
    Thanks,
    
    B.J.
    
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1177.1MARKER::BUCKLEYI wish it was summertime all year!Fri Mar 03 1989 13:0119
    
    FOr the satriani, his rhythm tone consists of single coil pickups what
    a highly compressed and EQed, with chorus, a slight short delay, and
    reverb.  A rockman Sustainor/Chor unit is a cheap, quick way to get
    this tone. 
    
    His lead tone is bascially the same effects.  He uses a high gain
    setting for sustain...He plays through a Chandler tube Overdrive into
    modified Marshall 100WT tops.  His Marshalls line out into the
    following effects...a wha-wha, a chorus, a delay unit, and harmonizer,
    and an aural exciter.  There is reverb added to his overall sound later
    on.  He plays through the wha-wha a lot...he uses it to phrase and
    as a variable tone boost.  I have aproximated this sound...to get
    it, you can plug your guitar into a graphic EQ pedal and push all
    the mid freq up to the top, as well as the level conrtol.  PLaug
    this into your and, and will give you sustain you need.  Add a chorus,
    delay, and a wha and you got it.
    
    Buck
1177.2THANKS, GOOD ANSWERPOBOX::KALLEVIGBFri Mar 03 1989 23:0816
    Thanks Buck,
    
    I've got 80% of what you suggested, the EQ is something that's always
    tempted me but I've never brokend down a g You mentioned boosting
    the mid's that brought to mind a minor problem thats been bugging
    me i.e. I have a Peavy Classic Chorus 130 and an old Music Man (*TANK*)
    that pumps about a 100wts, anyway I'm picking up to much low end
    with the Peavy/Strat combo.... I guess the EQ would help remedy
    that huh? The other is that the P-amp comes with a "THICK" switch
    which helps create the Tube Amp sound; Nice try Peavy but not quite.
    I guess I'll keep trying different combo's...(there's a question
    in there somewhere) the 'ol mind wandered...
    
    Thanks again for the help,
    
    B.J.
1177.3SRV !!!JAWS::PELKEYIf my ancestors could see me now!Wed Mar 08 1989 18:486
    Steve Ray and Vodo Child..

    Aint he great!! the guy flips me out... Hendrix woulda quit if
    he'd a caught Steve doing that tune.  Either quit or sued SRV.

    
1177.4Like Jimi recorded on a different day...CSC32::G_HOUSENo way out, no way out...Wed Mar 08 1989 21:558
    For the SRV tone...
    
    My understanding is that he uses (used?) Dumble amps.  He almost always
    plays exclusively the rhythm (neck) pickup on his Strats.  For Voodoo
    Chile, you *have* to have a wah-wah.  Boost the midrange a lot and cut
    back the highs a little.
    
    Greg
1177.5Southern Rocks!!POBOX::KALLEVIGBThu Mar 09 1989 00:0034
    Thanks guys for the replies,
    
    I was born and raised in the Dallas area, SRV's home town and have
    watched him develop into one spetacular musician. Of course he credits
    his brother for his success (Yes and no) I've seen 'em both and
    Stevie has definetly 'created' his own sound. I've caught SRV & DT
    several times...and the last time I saw him in July '88 after he
    recovered from his Drug problems ,exhaustion and fathers sudden
    death, he was excellent on stage. He looked like he was really enjoying
    himself, just stood up there, chewed his gum and played chords and
    lead at the same time (nothin' up my sleeves just watch my hands)
    can this guy jamm or what?!?!? Totally blows me away every time!
    
    As far as Amps go....Peavey!! exclusivly (with a big "DONT MESS
    WITH TEXAS" sticker on it. The WAh is a given but this brings up
    another question: 
         Whats the difference and PROS/CONS on the pedal wahs vs a T-wah?
         Who uses a 'T' type these days? Sometimes I think I hear it
         in some Clapton tunes?!? Also I bought a DOD FX80B compressor/
         sustainer can someone help me 'balance' this thing as far as
         it's functions i.e. attack vs. compression? Fooling around
         with it I've basically figured out how to get it to scream
         go the other way with it to sustain but you bump one string
         and you've screwed up your 'sound'. A real Bi**ch when the
         tapes rolling :-(
    
         Thanks again, Let's keep it goin!
    
         BJ
    
    p.s. Still no input on Vodoo chile, the song!? Play it by ear? I'm
    trying! I'm sure sheet music won't do it justice. Does anyone know
    of a clipping or article from Guitar Player or the likes of?
    
1177.6HAMSTR::PELKEYIf my ancestors could see me now!Thu Mar 09 1989 15:5414
    re:5
    
    As far as input on Vodo Chile..
    
    Do what I've been doing for the last 20 years.
    
    Just beat it to death, listen, play, listen , play, listen more,
    play along... etc... frustrating ?  You bet, but eventually you'll get 
    it.   Don't need sheet music, just an ear and patience.
    
    It's how I do all my major copying..  Just drill it till it's second
    nature.

    
1177.7CD repeat featureSTAR::KMCDONOUGHSET KIDS/NOSICKThu Mar 09 1989 16:2712
    
    If you have Vodo Chile on CD, you can set your CD player to repeat
    5-10 seconds (or whatever) of the song.  Once you learn that part, skip
    to the next 5-10 seconds, and so on.  
    
    Then you can repeat 30 second or 1 minute sections and put the song
    together.  Mucho easier than cassette or lp.
    
    Kevin
    
    
    
1177.8Hendrix was meant to be sworn over...CAM2::ZNAMIEROWSKIStealing people's mailThu Mar 09 1989 17:3117
    oh, come on, that's no fun!  I agree more with -.2.  Listen, play,
    listen, play, swear, listen...  That's how I learned it.  The magical
    chord in that one:
    
   e ||---------|---------|----X----|---------
   b ||---------|---------|----X----|---------
   g ||----X----|---------|---------|---------
   d ||---------|----X----|---------|------
   a ||---------|---------|---------|------
   e ||---------|---------|---------|-----
                                
    After hitting the low e, bending the g, picking the E on the d.
    
    That's all.  hope that helps.
                                 
    /c
    
1177.9addendumCAM2::ZNAMIEROWSKIStealing people's mailThu Mar 09 1989 17:342
    oops.  I *think* the D on that thar b string should be a Db/C#...
    try it both ways, that way you've learned two more chords.
1177.10Etcha-Scetch Monitor (what a concept!)POBOX::KALLEVIGBFri Mar 10 1989 04:285
    I always was one for visual aids! That's gotta be a first (chord
    schematic on the VT) Thanks for taking the time..... On my way home
    now to wake the neighbors trying!!
      
    BJ
1177.11another way of doing itBOEHM::SUDAMALiving is easy with eyes closed...Tue Mar 14 1989 16:2015
    I haven't listened to the song for a long time, but I believe the
    following version of this chord is more common:
    
    6th fret
   e ||---------|---------|---------|---------
   b ||---------|---------|----X----|---------
   g ||---------|----X----|---------|---------
   d ||----X----|---------|---------|------
   a ||---------|----X----|---------|------
   e ||---------|---------|---------|-----
    
    It's useful for a lot of things anyway, so it's worth knowing the
    alternate form.
                                
    - Ram
1177.12But it looks better to be all over the place...CAPVAX::ZNAMIEROWSKIThe Perfect SilenceTue Mar 14 1989 18:548
    Yup, that's the same chord, just up 7 frets.  The problem with using
    that, is that you've got all sorts of stuff happening down with
    the open e, bending the g, then E on the d, with a quick tempo,
    it's hard(er) to race back up the neck as opposed to staying in
    the general vicinity.  
    
    /c