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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1072.0. "NEW KID IN TOWN....." by TRUCKS::LITTEN () Thu Jan 12 1989 11:52

Hello folks,

	Believe it or not, I have only just discovered the GUITAR notes file!
May I introduce myself and get a few things going ??

I have been playing guitar for about 25 years and got into it in the early
sixties. Most of my playing has been around pop and rock with a bit of 
dabbling in blues. I have spent almost all that time playing in MOR bands, but
quit when I joined DIGITAL 4 years ago.
My standard of playing does not reflect the time in the saddle however, since
most practice took place on stage or during tuning !! ( excuses, excuses !)

A quick read/printout through this notes file has convinced me that there is a
lot of talented folks out there, and I have already got a lot of great stuff
from the regular contributors.

My current guitar is a regular Strat with Di Marzio pickups, and I play this
through a LAB series 2 by 12 combo.

I probably need to stick this stuff in the correct sections, but here is a 
dump of what I would like, and what I can offer. Hopefully this intro will be
read by enough musicians and offer some advice on the way forward....

A. I am using my spare time to get into some heavy self tuition, and have
purchased the VINNIE MOORE video "Advanced lead guitar techniques". I have a
fellow musician buddy ( JEFF JANSEN....TRUCKS::J_JANSEN ) and we intend to
buy other video/tape courses and loan/swap. Any others wish to join the club?

B. Same topic, I have got the technical details down, including tabulature, 
from the video, onto about 6 pages of notes. I could, given interest, get it
all up on a NOTES file. Would this be of any help ? 
Is there any body out there who have video/tape courses, and would be willing 
to do the same ?

C. Licks, tricks, techniques.  I am keen to start up a notes file on Country
Guitar stuff ie. Roy Buchannan, James Burton, Albert Lee, etc. Are there any
country string bending licking, chickin pickin lovers out there ? Care to share 
ideas please?

D.   Schematics. I am an ex - analogue design engineer by trade, and through 
out my musical hobby, I have enjoyed building amps, effects etc. If anybody
is interested I have schematics/PC layouts for..
	- GIBSON Guitar active electronics ( vol/tone/compress/expand).

	- Gibson/Moog LAB SERIES AMP 

	- BOSS chorus and delay ( schematics only )

	- MINI MOOG synth ( schematics only )

	- MICRO MOOG SYNTH (schematics only )

	- BOSS Heavy Metal distortion pedal

Thanks for hearing me out,

Regards......Dave Litten  CSS SOLENT TRUCKS::LITTEN  DTN 782 2314 

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1072.1tape rentalsANT::JACQUESThu Jan 12 1989 16:059
    Just FYI, Wurlitzers Music rents video instructional courses.
    They have the "Star Licks" videos by several differant people.
    Naturally, they charge more than movie rental clubs, but it
    still beats paying $30 or more to buy the tape. I think they
    get around $4-5/night, but don't quote me on that. I would
    imagine that other music stores also offer rentals.
    
    Mark
    
1072.2MARKER::BUCKLEYLiving ColourThu Jan 12 1989 16:134
    
    Everyone -- Rent the Micheal Angelo video tape...its really cool.
    
    Buck
1072.3copywright lawsANT::JACQUESThu Jan 12 1989 16:1618
    re. putting tabliture into the note file.
    
    It has been made explicitly clear in many of the notes conferances
    that printing copywrighted material is forbidden. This includes
    lyrics to songs, sheet music (neat trick if we could do it), 
    tabliture, etc.  This is done to prevent DEC from being sued.
    
    I am sure that the Vinnie Moore Video has been copywrighted, and
    electronically reproducing it in any form would certainly be an 
    infringement.
    
    On the other hand, I would imagine that entering the tabliture
    into a computer file FOR YOUR OWN USE might be okay. 
    
    Mark
    
    PS Welcome to the conference. 
    
1072.4The guy burnsDREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Thu Jan 12 1989 16:3211
    I've only seen about 35 seconds of Michael Angelo playing but it
    was more than enough to pique my interest.
    
    Those of you players who are "too cool to play fast" (to quote
    Steve Morse about a particular kind of attitude problem) shouldn't
    bother.  If you don't think that energy that speed conveys is
    musically "valid" or some nonsense like that, this is not the
    tape for you.
    
    	db  - a slow hand, but capable of recognizes the musical
    	      validity of speed as well as the technical accomplishment
1072.5Instructional Guitar VideosPNO::HEISERMontana, the Bradshaw of the '80sThu Jan 12 1989 21:069
    Phil Keaggy also has an Instructional Electric Guitar Video for
    $29.95 (just released).  Some local (to Phoenix) bookstores do rent 
    it though.  I'll post the highlights of the video tomorrow.
    
    The latest issue of CCM is focusing on guitarists.  Some interesting
    interviews in there with Keaggy and Christopher Parkening, among
    others.
    
    Mike
1072.6"Put the cuffs on officer"TRUCKS::LITTENFri Jan 13 1989 07:4227
    ref. Dave, Mark, and Buck info...
    
    Thanks for the advice. In case you havn't heard of it ( who could
    blame you) SOLENT is in the UK.
    I wish we had a video store over here that rents guitar tutorials..
    anybody know of one???
    
    You have got a good point about the copyright laws... I will can
    the idea of putting Vinnie Moore details up on the NOTES file. 
    might just stick the odd arpeggio out (they must be public domain
    ...!!)
    
    I printed out the lixx/tricks file. Seems a great idea, but after
    a few replies, it lost direction. This may start a new topic up,
    but how about Lixx/tricks II. I will kick it off next week with
    tabulature on a couple of runs/phrases that i have come across.
    May I set the scene by asking that ANYTHING goes in this NOTE,
    simple, difficult, old hat, new wave, heavy metal etc. 
    Anything from basic" rock" licks to "how the hell does he do that"
    is fine by me. 
    For my part, learning/stealing new licks is the "glue" that keeps me
    fascinated in the guitar.
    
    /Dave
    
    
       
1072.7What if...?BUSY::JMINVILLEThe thrill is goneFri Jan 13 1989 12:568
    RE: copyright laws...
    	If someone called or wrote to the copyright holder and was a
    able to secure permission to enter the material in this notesfile,
    would it be OK then??
    
    	Welcome Dave, I look forward to reading lixx/trixx II
    
    joe.
1072.8Wot! no dots...tuff luck Buck..TRUCKS::LITTENFri Jan 13 1989 16:3837
    ref .7
    
    That might be a way to legalise my idiot suggestion ( hands in gear,
    brain in neutral ). 
    
    I can see how the TOTAL video package is the intellectual property
    of Vinnie Moore, and my offer to take it's details and enter them
    on NOTES would have been a clear infringement.
    
    What if one of you asked for the details of a solo, and a colleage
    replied showing the tabulature on the NOTES file ? Is this an 
    infringement?  Had that same colleage obtained the tab by reading
    the sheet music, is he now in trouble ?   Surely not....
    
    My point is this, what if ( say in the lixx/tricks section) I gave
    details in isolation, of runs, tips, scales, etc that I had got from
    the video ? 
    
    Here is a simple example.....
    
    this is a D major arpegio 
    
    E              2  5  2
    B           3          3 
    G        2               2
    D     4                    4
    A  5                          5
    E                              
    
    Am I now a criminal ?  Jeeze ..I hope not, I like working for Digital
    
    I think I'll cool it for a bit, but I intend to take your advice
    and create my own little VMS file for my own personal use. I may
    even share it with any guitarist buddies should the occasion arise.
    
    /Dave
    
1072.9wot, me worry?MARKER::BUCKLEYI'm back in the saddle again!Fri Jan 13 1989 17:4114
    
    Here's an even cooler D major arp (IMHO):
    
    e            5 10 5
    b          7        7 
    g        7            7
    d      7                7
    a  5 9                    9 5 (add wide vibrato here! <^;)
    e   
    
    Combined with Mr. Litten's, you can get two good positions happening.
    
    Buck, always the outlaw
    
1072.10DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Mon Jan 16 1989 17:1916
    
    
    	One of my (simple) favorites.. used a lot by Eric Clapton..
    
    e         3
    b 5   3 5   5   3 5
    g   4         4 
    d
    a
    e                  
    
    
    	Jon T. Thanks the Amp was just as you described it!
    
    
    Steve
1072.11A minor offence....TRUCKS::LITTENTue Jan 17 1989 14:4816
    Nice one Buck......
    
    Here is the same lick in minor form ( Em )
    
    E           3  7  3
    B        5          5
    G      4              4
    D    5                  5
    A  7                      7
    E
                               
    Game Set and Match to Mr Buckley !!
    
    Cheers....Dave
    
    
1072.12Right, What's all this then!DECWET::CARSTENSENTue Jan 17 1989 16:2710
    re: .9
    
    >a  5 9                    9 5 (add wide vibrato here! <^;)
    
    Hey Buck, I thought metal players added
    wide vibrato everywhere ;-)
    
    Frank (who's still around but not for long)
    
1072.13I've got this one 'licked'BUSY::JMINVILLEThe thrill is goneTue Jan 17 1989 16:2810
	Or, you could play it like this...	

	E                  7  12  7
	B               8            8               H harmonic at 5th
	G            9                  9            H fret together
	D         9                        9           then whammy way
	A  7  10                              10  7             down;^);^)
	E

	Kind of looks like a normal distribution ;^)
1072.14for the sake of sake...MARKER::BUCKLEYToday I have a dream...Tue Jan 17 1989 17:0225
    
    For those seeing more of a Paganini sound, here's an addition to Mr
    Litten and Mr. Minville's conrtibutions:

    H = hammer with pick
    PO = pull pick off sting to sound next chord tone
    -s- = Slide pick on string to next c.t.
                  
                        H               PO
    E          3  5  7  12 -s- 15 -s- 12  7  5  3
    B        5                                    5
    G      4                                        4
    D    5                                            5
    A  7                                                7
    E 
    
    
    
    E            7 10 12 15 -s- 19 -s- 15 12 10 7
    B          8                                  8
    G        9                                      9
    D      9                                          9
    A 7 10                                              10  7
    E
    
1072.15Questions...DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Tue Jan 17 1989 17:0734
    
    
    	Buck, three stooopid questions?
                   
    What's an arp?
    
    This is pretty, where do you use it, where would I (novice) use
    it?
    
    Why are the long stretches used instead of going to a lower or higher
    string
    
    
    
    
    For example:
    
    
    
    
    e            5 10 5
    b          7        7 
    g        7            7
    d      7                7
    a [5]9                    9 5 (add wide vibrato here! <^;)
    e   
         
    
    	Why not play the [5] on the A string at, say, 10th fret on the
    E?  Is it just because it doesn't sound as good??
    
    
    
    Steve
1072.16MARKER::BUCKLEYToday I have a dream...Tue Jan 17 1989 17:3451
    
    > What's an arp?
    
    An abbreviation for Arpeggio.  There is a good description of an
    arpeggio lurking around this file.  It was a recent addition.
    
    >Why are the long stretches used instead of going to a lower or higher
    >string
    
    Well, for one the arpeggio is in position to facilitate ease in
    sweep picking for a faster execution.  Its easier to play faster
    when you hammer the D [5] to the f# [9] then sweep pick until the
    e string where you turn it around.  You'd pull off on those two
    notes on the way down.  Also, its much easier to finger in position.
    I use the following fingering:
    
    e             5 10 5
    b           7        7 
    g         7            7
    d       7                7
    a [5] 9                    9 5 (add wide vibrato here! <^;)
    e   
       1  4 2 2 2 1 4  1 2 2 2 4 1
    
    if you used the D on the low e string, 10th fret, I'd have to do
    something like this:
    
    e            5 10 5
    b          7        7 
    g        7            7
    d      7                7
    a    9                    9  (add wide vibrato here! <^;)
    e 10                        10
      4  3 2 2 2 1 4  1 2 2 2 3 4
    
    Which is possible, but a little uncomfortable for me, esp. at high
    speeds.  I usually use the 10th fret "D" when I want an F# as the
    top note of the arpeggio (implying 2nd inversion).  That arpeggio
    in I just mentioned I'd finger like this (for those interested):
    
    e              10 14 10
    b            10        10 
    g          11            11
    d        12                12
    a      12                    12
    e 10 14                        14 10
    
    Buck, who sez there are no rules to the hows n whys.  It comes down
    to convenience.