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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

359.0. "echoplex cassettes" by CIMNET::JNELSON (Remember what the doormouse said....) Wed Oct 07 1987 16:47

    howdypickers.
    
    Got a question for you.
    
    I recently purchased a used echoplex in excellent condition,
    at an excellent price.  It sounds excellent.
    
    Anyway, even though it sounds nice now, I know that eventually the
    tape will drop out or tear or melt or something equally horrifying.
    
    I need to know where (if) I can get replacement cassettes.  The
    echoplex is called a STAGE EC100 (I think, can't remember the
    manufacturer), and the associated cassette uses standard 1/8" tape,
    but in a case that looks something like an old 8-track, but only
    about half as large.  I have splicing equipment, and am prepared
    to sacrifice a regular cassette, if necessary, to replace the tape
    in the echoplex cassette.  But I'd rather not put too much stress
    on the cassette, just in case I *can't* find another.
    
    Any hints???
    
    Jon
    
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359.1Stage=Univox=KorgAQUA::ROSTFast and bulbous, tight alsoWed Oct 07 1987 18:278
    
    Stage was a brand name of the Univox/Korg company.  Address anybody?
    
    You might check with a local Korg dealer to see if they can order
    replacements...good luck!!!
    
    And buy *plenty* of tapes if you can.
    
359.2Try Mr. C's in Marlboro.\MORRIS::JACQUESWed Oct 07 1987 19:028
    I would call Mr. C's Music in Marlboro. Although they don't sell
    Echoplex's, they are somewhat an authority on anything musical.
    Jim has been around for many years and doesn't mind chatting
    with people for hours on end if necessary about musical nostalgia.
    
    							Good Luck,
    							Mark Jacques
    
359.3No salespitch pleaseERASER::BUCKLEYWants More Marshalls!Wed Oct 07 1987 19:227
    >  I would call Mr. C's Music in Marlboro. Although they don't sell
    >  Echoplex's, they are somewhat an authority on anything musical.
    
    While this *is* true to a certain degree, The guy at Mr. C's is
    also in my opinion a true salesman (read bullsh*t artist). I don't
    like people who give others a line just to try and sell them something,
    and I feel Mr. C's is like that once too often.
359.4last resortERLANG::SUDAMALiving is easy with eyes closed...Wed Oct 07 1987 19:229
    I suspect this must be an "endless-loop" cassette. I would strongly
    advise against any efforts to try to replace the tape in the shell. The
    way these things are wound is ungodly, and I doubt if you could ever
    get it back the way it is designed. Definitely try to find
    replacements. If all else fails, look into the possibility of modifying
    (hacking) a regular endless-loop cassette tape to fit into the
    machine. 
    
    - Ram
359.5me agin.CIMNET::JNELSONRemember what the doormouse said....Wed Oct 07 1987 19:3513
    re .4 - very good point, I've never actually seen the inside of
    one... must be pretty ugly.  it's not that long, though - only about
    3-4 minutes at high speed.  Probably still too much to bother with
   , though.  However, your idea about "hacking" (adaptors?) makes sense,
    but doesn't really lend itself to a practical design.
    
    somewhere between then and now, i remembered the name of the
    manufacturer - UNICORD, from somewhere in New York.
    (Univox/Korg=UNICORD?)
    
    
    Jon
    
359.6I had a Univox !!MORRIS::JACQUESFri Oct 09 1987 12:1636
    
    Re .0 At first I thought you said you bought an echoplex, but
    reading on I see you bought a Univox/korg unit. There is a big
    difference between the two. I had a Univox unit years ago. It too
    had an endless loop tape like a small 8 track. I bought several
    replacement tapes for it when I bought it, (in Springfield Ma.
    at a place called Accordiamart) but I could never get this thing
    to work properly with any of the tapes. None of them would line
    up properly. The delay would fade in and out, and sound slow
    and garbled (like a dying 8 track tape). I had the tracking
    adjusted where I bought it, but it still didn't work reliably.
               
    	I eventually gave it to my cousin (can't sell something that
    doesn't work). I procastinated about buying an Echoplex unit for
    years. The Roland space echo was comparable to the echoplex as well.
    I recently bought a MidverbII which has delay up to 460ms. It suffices
    quite nicely, and I no longer really need an Echoplex. But if I
    could find one cheap, I just might grab it anyways. The echoplex
    is more mechanical than others, with a sliding playback head for 
    adjusting the length of delay, but also has sound on sound, and over
    a second of delay. The tapes were available in different lengths
    so the sound on sound would continue as long as you wanted. They
    were known to be fairly reliable, other than replacing tapes and
    cleaning heads. Like most vintage musical equipment, you can replace
    them with high tech versions of today, but you can't always get
    the same sound. The high tech version will have advantages, but
    will also have disadvantages.
                   
    	I'm not sure if the AccordiaMart is even in business anymore.
    They were in Springfield, Ma. about 10 years ago. I hope you have
    better luck with your Univox Echo chamber than I had with mine !!
    
    		
    							Mark Jacques
    
    
359.7an echoplex by any other name....CIMNET::JNELSONRemember what the doormouse said....Fri Oct 09 1987 12:5124
    Mark,
    
    I appreciate your reply, but now you've got me confused... I stated
    in .4 that it is NOT a Univox/Korg, and in .1 that is IS an echoplex...
    You said that there was a big difference between the two, I wouldn't
    know (I've never heard of an echo chamber (as an effect)).  My unit
    does not have a sliding head (sounds like a silly concept), it has
    variable speed control to accomplish the the same purpose.  It also
    has the "sound on sound" effect you talked about, but it's really
    pretty useless for performance - if you record and playback at
    different speeds, the playback won't be in tune with your guitar.
    It's about 5"x4"x10", 2 ins (hi/lo), 2 outs (hi/lo), a footswitch
    jack (no footswitch), 4 knobs: input volume, echo delay (speed
    control), echo balance (i/o blend control) and echo somethingelse
    (feedback control).  The back of the unit has a latched door which
    opens for cassette removal and storage of the power cable.
    
    So, the question is, what do you call this?  It's my version of
    an echoplex, simply because everyone who has seen it has said "oh,
    look!  An echoplex!" so I figured I was safe.
    
    C'mon back.
    Jon
    
359.8What gives ??MORRIS::JACQUESFri Oct 09 1987 16:0923
    .0 <The echoplex is called Stage EC100>
    
    .1 <Stage is a brand name of the Univox/korg company>
    
    .5 <I remembered the name of manufacturer-Unicord (Univox/Korg=Unicord).
    
    .7 <I stated in .4 that it is not a Univox/Korg and in .1 that it
    is an Echoplex>
    
    	
       Make up your mind. I'm not sure of the name of the parent company
    that makes genuine "ECHOPLEXES", but it is not Univox. In .5 you
    (this is John Nelson isn't it) said that the name of the manufacturer
    is Unicord. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but if you check through.0
    - .7 you will see how I came to believe you have a Univox echo unit.
    
    	As far as the term "echo chamber" that name goes back to the
    50's when tape delays were first invented by non other than Les
    Paul. It is kind of a generic term for tape delay, time delay,
    echo, etc. 
             
                                                Mark Jacques
    
359.9CIMNET::JNELSONRemember what the doormouse said....Fri Oct 09 1987 18:3917
hi.
    
    re .0: that was me calling it an echoplex.
    
    re .1: someone else said it was Univox/korg.
    
    re .5: I said Univox/Korg=Unicord? with an intentional question
           mark which referred to .1, because I figured those two big
    	   companies would rather have had their names on the thing
    	   than some rinky dink UNICORD which I had never heard of.
    	   Or mebbe it's true, in which case it's not that rinky-dink.
    
    
    i'll be rioght back
    
    
    
359.10Confused Yet, Bunky???AQUA::ROSTIndependent as a hog on iceFri Oct 09 1987 19:3030
    
    OK, here goes....
    
    
    First...   
    
    ECHOPLEX is a brand name.  For awhile they were made by Maestro,
    itself a division of Gibson for awhile.  There is now a small company
    which owns the rights to the name, makes new ones, services the
    old, sells tapes, etc.  A real Echoplex saya "Echoplex" on the top.
    
    However, the name has become generic over the years, just as Frigidaire
    has come to mean any refrigerator to some people.
    
    The true generic term is "tape echo".
    
    Second.....
    
    Unicord was the name of a company based in NY which sold Univox
    brand amps and accessories.  Later they changed the product name
    to Stage.  They also imported Korg keyboards and Marshalls.  I believe
    they are now officially Korg, Inc.  I know it's confusing, but believe
    me, it's the truth!!!!
    
    Go to a Korg dealer, have him contact the factory about replacement
    tapes.  It's a decent unit, I used one many years ago.  If you can
    get tapes, just make sure you buy plenty of them!!!!
    
                                    
    
359.11got one!!\CIMNET::JNELSONRemember what the doormouse said....Mon Oct 19 1987 11:279
    hi, I'm back.  I found one (and only one) of the tapes I was looking
    for.  It was at Union Music, and it cost me about $5.  I asked them
    if they would order more, but they were reluctant.  Kinda apathetic
    for a "Musician's Music Store", dontcha think?  Anyway, the tape
    said "Dictaphone" on it, I guess I'll have to start looking through
    office supply catalogs...   Any help?
    
    Jon