Conference napalm::guitar

    Fender used to make a Reverb unit, and if you found it in the want
    ads, it would probably be under 100 dollars.

	I have a similar problem as mentioned in .0 - reverb is gone in
my amp.  I have watched the want ads for used reverbs and when I found one 
within price range there seemed to be more to it than simply plugging it in.
The guy said it was made for an effects loop in a pa mixer, so it needed a 
certain input signal voltage.  My amp has no such loop.

	How do you overcome a situation like that?  Do you need to buy a 
pre-amp?  Are there any reverbs (under $100) that can simply be placed in 
the normal signal path, like a chorus or a delay?

	Please don't be too technical here, as I'm not too shmart that way...

	Dan

    The reverb tank in my twin was broken a while ago. I had it
    looked at, and it turned out that one of the transducers (is
    that the right word?) had a broken wire. We couldn't trace it
    inside the wrappings, so the repairman (Bill at Gordon's Music
    in Worcester) took the transducers off a real cheapo reverb unit
    he had lying around and replaced mine with the cheapo ones. Now
    I get GALLONS of reverb; in fact, if I turn the reverb setting
    past about 3 1/2, I start getting feedback! Apparently some 
    parameters on the cheapo transducers were different than in 
    the original ones.
    
    You can also buy reverb tanks brand new. Mr C's in Marlboro had
    one for about $75 when I was looking (Bill fixed mine for nothing!).
    
    -Dave

    
    	I have some reverb springs, the good ones used in fender amps,
    that I'll sell if someone needs them. They will replace your broken
    ones, as long as you have the "long" (about 15") kind.
    
    	Joe Jas
    

    When I say that my band master does not have reverb, it is just
    that. It was built with no reverb. What I am looking for is an add
    on unit which sit outside the amp. I do not want to modify the amp
    to put the reverb. Is there such an unit besides the one I mention
    before on .0?
    
    Gracias...
    

I use my DOD PDS-1000 pedal for reverb sometimes, even though my Peavey
Studio Pro has a pretty decent reverb tank built in. But with the pedal I
have greater control over delay time and regeneration, as well as the mix,
which means I can sound like I'm in a bigger, more live room, or in a
smaller more dead room depending on what sound I'm looking for.

Sometimes I use both, when I want to sound like I'm playing an old Ventures
type vibrato/reverb sound in an empty school gymnasium. The Peavey gives it
the reverb sound, and I set up the DOD for fairly long delay and high
regeneration.

Don.

RE .5

	Sorry if I confused the issue.  The fact still remains that I want
the same thing - a stand-alone reverb component.  My question is - Do you
need to have a preamp for an in-line configuration?


_______             --------             ------- 
|     |             |      |             |     |
| axe |  ---------> |reverb|  ---------> | amp |
|     |       ^     |      |             |     |      
-------       |     --------             -------
              |  ?
              |
	  --------
          |      |
          |preamp|
          |      |
	  --------


Will this work or does there need to be a preamp here?

	Dan

    	You would need a preamp in order to control the amount of reverb
    which the unit would put out. The guitar signal would not be enough
    to drive the unit without one. 
    
    							Rick
    

   Yes, but some of the units mentioned previously (eg, the Fender unit)
   have a "preamp" built in.  You do not need a seperate preamp.  You do
   have to plug the reverb box in, though.  And there's a control to adjust
   the amount of 'verb, too.  I had an old "Lafeyette" brand (any one
   remember those?  Sorta like Radio Snack...) which was like that. 

   And there are the digital reverbs on the market now.  Expensive, but they
   do everything but wash dishes.  Perhaps there's an analog counterpart
   available? 
   
   -- Sam

    	I mis-understood the question as:could you plug into a reverb
    box meaning the box with the springs in it without a preamp? The
    Bandmaster Reverb used 1.5 tubes to implement the reverb and I've
    got a separate (tube) reverb that you plug inbetween your instrument
    and amp,but I find it noisy. I wonder if this is characteristic
    of these type of units?

    The best reason to plug a reverb or any other effect AFTER the
    preamp is that it minimizes the noise contributed by the effect.
    
    	db

    I got to try the Radio shack reverb add on unit on my band master.
    It sounded very bad. The tubes in my amold and I knew some time
    they would have to be replaced. After we used the rever, the tubes
    were gone. Would you think the unit did it or is just coincce?
    

    I used to rebuild Fender amps and the Bandmasters were noted for
    having tube problems. Probably more so than alot of others. A quick
    check to do would be to turn the amp on, w/o any guitars plugged
    in, turn the amp volume to around half way up and tap the
    tubes,(please, tap them very gently !!). The rule of thumb would
    be to replace the ones that you can hear sound through the speakers.
    I'm sure that there will be some people that don't agree with this
    theory, but it alwayed worked for me and I never had anyone complain
    about microphonic tubes after I replaced the noisy ones. As far
    as the reverb modification... FORGET IT !!! It's not worth the trouble
    of tranforming the amp into a Bandmaster with reverb. It won't add
    much money to your investment. I owned a old black face bandmaster
    w/o reverb many years ago and I picked up a MXR Analog delay for
    it at a price of about $45.-$50. It was used at the time, but well
    worth it for the price. There are alot of better units now on the
    market and you can still get them for a good price if you're willing
    to look alittle before buying one. The radio shack models just don't
    cut it !! As you already found out. Well at least you tried it out
    anyway, right ? When you find the right one for the right price,
    just plug it in between the guitar and the amp. Turn on the amp
    and have a good time. Send me a note if you have any problems. OK?
    
                                           
                                                    Fred

    Ref .13, Thankyou for your reply. I will keep you in mind if I have
    any problems with the bandmaster.