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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4209.0. "HELP Needed" by DICKNS::MACDONALD (VAXELN - Realtime Software Pubs) Wed Oct 17 1990 13:19

    We've done some comparisons with the output from DigiView and
    the output from VAXcamera. The differences don't seem to justify a 
    $30K price differential! We are looking into the possibility of a
    digitizing system with portability for our hardware documentation
    business here. There is one catch with DigiView, and that is file
    compatibility. As of today, I can take the .IFF file format and convert
    it to the following formats:
    
    .PS  .SIX  .GIF
    
    However, we need a utility to convert the .IFF to .EPS (encapsulated
    PostScript) and to .IMG (DECwrite compatible).
    
    Does anyone have internal conversion tools to do this? Please get in
    touch. Thanks.
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4209.1NSSG::SULLIVANSteven E. SullivanWed Oct 17 1990 13:4229
I suggest you get in touch with the CDA converter group about your need. If
it is not available today, perhaps they will be able to provide it without
much trouble. 

Also, I have spoken with Perry Kivolowitz of ASDG about CDA and sent him
information on it and DDIF. ASDG has committed to support any spec for
graphics they have the spec for. So far as I can tell they are serious.
Ask them about EPS.

I am not at all sure, but seem to recall ProPage and PageStream DTP
packages supporting EPS. This may include OUTPUT in this format as well
as input.

Beyond this, it may well be possible to use ASDG's TAD (the new Pro version)
to convert IFF files to an intermediate format and use CDA tools to convert
them to EPS.

I would very much like to see mutual support for CDA/DDIF between Digital
and Commodore (and Amiga developers). It would enhance Digital's image as
a supporter of standards and interoperability (EIS listening?) and help
us into markets where we have essensially no presence today (broadcast
production outside of the newsroom).

Enough soapbox, just write letters to Commodore, DTP developers, and
converters. IFF is conceptually very similar to CDA which could  easily
be implemented as a FORM type in IFF.......

	-SES

4209.2ConvertersDICKNS::MACDONALDVAXELN - Realtime Software PubsWed Oct 17 1990 14:2012
    I have some files in my account, but I've forgoitten exactly what they
    do:
    
    IFFCONV.EXE
    CONVERT.EXE
    MEDIAN.EXE
    VIEW.EXE
    
    The ones I have that I know about are:
    
    CLAZ.EXE   Converts .IFF to .PS
    CSIX.EXE   Converts .IFF to .SIX
4209.3$30K difference? MLRTYM::TERELLAMike Terella (DTN)287-3083 CTC2-1/C14Wed Oct 17 1990 15:0518

	RE .1 > You mention a $30K price difference between VAXcamera and 
	DigiView.  I know VAQXcamera is more expensive, (as is anything
	with DEC's name on it) but I think your figures are off a bit. We've
	worked pretty closely with the ASO folks on the development of VAX-
        camera, and the last info I got was that internal costs were somewhere
	around the $10K figure.  In additional to a software license, that 
	figure represented all the hardware which along with the image server 
	box includes a $1500 Sony Hi-res CCD camera, and a Sony hi-res color 
	monitor.  If you already have a camera and monitor (a VT241 monitor 
	will work though the image doesn't look as crisp), you could probably 
	get just the system box and software for considerably less $'s.

	Of course, it would be nice to be able to import an IFF file into
	DECwrite and...

	mt
4209.4The Nikon of CCD Cameras?DICKNS::MACDONALDVAXELN - Realtime Software PubsWed Oct 17 1990 16:403
    RE: .3 Only pricing info I have is what I saw in Sales Update - $39K.
    
    Gee, I wonder what a $1300 camera would do for my DigiView imaging?!
4209.5SAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterWed Oct 17 1990 17:492
    Express Paint can read IFF files and write EPS.
        John Sauter
4209.6DICKNS::MACDONALDVAXELN - Realtime Software PubsWed Oct 17 1990 18:362
    
    I am looking for something on VMS.
4209.7Contacts for VAXcamera MLRTYM::TERELLAMike Terella (DTN)287-3083 CTC2-1/C14Wed Oct 17 1990 19:2814
	If you need the names of people to contact regarding VAXcamera, I'd
	be pleased to pass them on.  Product enhancement continues (though we
	no longer provide any direct development resources), and I'm sure
	the ASO folks would like any feedback or recommendations which would
	help make their product better. And they're always looking for new 
	and/or different application opportunities inside as well as external
	to DEC. 

		 For what it's worth the ASO  plant has a four star video 
	production lab , complete with 68030 driven A2000 of course.  I've seen
	some of the productions they've done (mostly training/demo stuff)
	and it's very impressive.  The thing I don't know is if they have done 
	any VAXcamera/Amiga experiments. It migh be interesting to ask. 
4209.8more on ASOHYSTER::DEARBORNTrouvez MieuxThu Oct 18 1990 14:4112
I'm doing work with the ASO video people as we speak.  As far as I know, 
they have only used the Sony camera with Digiview on the Amiga.  I don't 
think that they have made any other "connections" with VAXcamera.

I produced the VAXcamera Videotape that is available from the Corporate 
Library.

Ed Larkin, who reads this file from time to time, is the guy who runs the 
video studio in ASO.  He also owns a 3000 with a Targa Board.

Randy

4209.9An example pleaseWELSWS::FINNISThu Oct 25 1990 20:2812
    
    	Sorry if this is off the thread , but could you upload a sample iff
    file from digiview . Maybe one from a magazine so I could compare the
    output,  as I am thinking of buying it. ?
    
    	Have you tried UTOX for eps output, If you are producing the
    picture on the amiga, why must you have the eps converter on the VAX.?
    
    			.Pete.
    
    What Size resolution does Vax Camera give compared to Digiview though.?
    
4209.10DICKNS::MACDONALDVAXELN - Realtime Software PubsFri Oct 26 1990 13:322
    Well, we would like to be able to get the image into BookReader so that
    the image can be viewed on line. I don't think an EPS file will do it.
4209.11NOTIBM::MCGHIEThank Heaven for small Murphys !Sat Oct 27 1990 00:284
No, I don't think EPS would do. I suspect you would have
to convert the image to DDIF.

Mike