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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4038.0. "MULTISYNC, shoud I buy one?" by GVA05::BERGMANS () Wed Aug 22 1990 06:53

    I want to buy a monitor that would be usable for. Amiga, CGA, EGA,
    and VGA.(Any other standard that I should consider?)                   
                                                        
    Is a multisynch monitor the answer?                
    Which  brand?                                   
    What "pitch" should I look for.
    What are typical prices?
    Are there different sizes?
    In the US, do they come in 110/220 volts? (I live in Europe)                                                                                                            
    Where can I buy them. (Car travel distance around Stow)                    
                            
    Thanks and regards.     
                            
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4038.1You get what you pay for.GIDDAY::MORANI'm not bad-I'm just drawn that way!Wed Aug 22 1990 22:5613
    
    
    I use a TAXAN 770+ multisync monitor. It has both Analog and digital
    RGB Inputs so I can use it for both the Amiga and an IBM. It can handle
    CGA,EGA,VGA and with the analog input also PGA.
    
    I've had the monitor for about a year ago with no problems whatsoever
    and the resolution is worth the price.
    
    Shaun.
    
    Brisbane. Australia.
    
4038.2LEDS::ACCIARDILarger than life, and twice as uglyThu Aug 23 1990 02:3029
    
    If I were shopping for a new monitor, I'd look for a few features...
    
    o  Obviously, Multiscan, with 15.75 to 38 or so KHz scan rates
    
    o  .28 or .25 mm dot pitch
    
    o  14" diagonal size
    
    o  1024 x 768 shadow mask, in case you ever (up-down-side)grade to
       a PC or other video standard computer.
    
    o  The ability to handle an interlaced display correctly
    
    Note that you could buy a generic VGA single-scan color monitor for
    well under $350, but you would need an A3000 or FlickerFixer equipped
    A2000/2500 to use it, and you would be unable to display some of the
    new video modes offered under 2.0/ECS that run at 15.75 KHz.
    
    Many famous and off-brands meet these requirements in the $400 to $600
    price range.  The NEC 3D ($570) is very popular, but Korean models like
    CTX are available for much less money.  Mitsubishi also offers models
    that have composite video input, which is pretty handy for setting up
    to record to a VCR.
    
    The absolute best place to learn more is in Computer Shopper, where there
    are literally hundreds of ads for such monitors.
    
    Ed.
4038.3? Sony 1302 ?TOTH::PREVIDIMon Oct 08 1990 15:5217
	  Well, since the subject of multi-sync monitors has been
	  brought up... 
	  
	  Does anyone have experience with the Sony 1302 ?
	  It has a strange 900X560 screen, which might work
	  at 800X600 (SVGA ?) on my AT clone, but I need a better
	  monitor for my A500 (VR241).

	  I thought I read somewhere that some Sonys don't work
	  too well with Amigas. 
	  
	  I,m asking because I have a chance to buy a 1302 for
	  four hundred clams (new). (The 1302 is new, not the clams.)

	      

4038.4dot pitch & screen size/CRT size?DECWET::DAVISYou always get what you deserveMon Oct 08 1990 18:267
    What is the relation of "dot pitch" to a monitors screen size?  I keep
    hearing things like, " the 1084 has a dot pitch of .35", thats why its
    fonts look so ugly.  If the dot pitch was smaller wouldn't the
    640x200(400) screen the amiga drew be smaller in relation to the CRT's
    screen size?  I mean, oh heck...can you help?.
    
    md
4038.5BOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Real computing on a PC budgetMon Oct 08 1990 19:183
    Dot pitch ratings for monitors are similar to DPI ratings for printers.
    Smaller dot pitch numbers mean that edges are "sharper", similar to the
    difference you see between 9-pin versus 24-pin printers, etc.
4038.6TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersMon Oct 08 1990 21:084
Re: .4

To expand on what was said in .5, a pixel need not be made up of only
one dot.
4038.7thanks for clarification, another questionDECWET::DAVISYou always get what you deserveMon Oct 08 1990 23:397
    re: .6
    
    That was what I was missing.  Would it be fair to say that a .25 dot
    pitch monitor will have a "crisper" picture than a monitor with a
    larger dot pitch?
    
    m
4038.8A different type of "square pixel"TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersTue Oct 09 1990 00:1120
Re: .7

>Would it be fair to say that a .25 dot pitch monitor will have a
>"crisper" picture than a monitor with a larger dot pitch?

That's exactly what you should say.

I've noticed that with a fine dot pitch monitor that the transition
from pixel to pixel is so sharp that pixels look like little squares
rather than dots.

The effect is nice for text, but I'm not sure I like it for digitized
graphics.  I remember HAM mode pictures looking more natural on my
old 1080 monitor than on my new Zenith flatscreen.  On the flatscreen,
the picture looks like it is made up of little tiles.

By the way, if you would like to see a monitor with a very coarse
dot pitch, visit your local Radio Shack.  I've been told that they
sell the largest dot pitch monitors around: .40!  The monitors
certainly look crude to me.
4038.9BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonTue Oct 09 1990 02:158
    re:.8
    
    I'll second that, go visit Radio Shack.  You really have to see how
    bad a color monitor with awful dot pitch can be.  I used to think the 
    dot pitch didn't really matter much, since the only monitors I'd seen had 
    a reasonable dot pitch.
    
    Dave
4038.10EUCLID::OWENRent-to-own a clueTue Oct 09 1990 13:429
    
    What's the 'going price' for an NEC Multisync 3D (good choice?) and a
    filckerfixer.
    
    Are there any combo mail order deals?
    
    Thanks,
    Steve
    
4038.11NSSG::SULLIVANSteven E. SullivanTue Oct 09 1990 15:555
Last I saw was about $625 at a computer show.

I like my Diamondscan better than my 3D for mixed media and video related
work. The variety of inputs and input modes are a real feature.

4038.12WHAMMY::SPODARYKElvis has just left the building!Tue Oct 09 1990 16:016
The Diamondscan does have more flexible video capabilities, but the 
NEC 3d has a slighly better looking display (my opinion), and a much
better looking case, control access, etc.  Both are good choices, depending
on what you need.

Steve - DiamondScan+VCR also doubles as a great 14" TV.
4038.13LEDS::ACCIARDIProbing the limits of adhesionTue Oct 09 1990 18:106
    
    NEC 3D - $569 is you look through Computer Shopper carefully.
    
    FlickerFixer - $375 if you look through AmigaWorld carefully.
    
    Ed.
4038.14Inverted odd-even order rasterMKODEV::OSBORNEThu Jan 23 1992 15:2231
After using a Samsung multisync for a couple years, I have just discovered a
problem. I use hi-res so little, I never noticed it before.

In hi-res, the odd and even raster lines are inverted. Instead of:

	1
	2
	3
	4...

The monitor is displaying

	2
	1
	4
	3...

This is definately the monitor, not the Amiga. It could be caused by 
incompetent hookup wiring by an inexperienced hardware person, namely me,
or may be a problem of the monitor. The Amiga works fine feeding a 1084S.

Since the flyback transformer is whining, I thought I'd get it serviced 
anyway, but would like to know the probable cause of the raster line
inversion, particularly if it's the hookup cable. 

Also, anyone know of a good video repair shop that can service the Samsung
in the Nashua, NH area?

Thanks
John