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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

3683.0. "VLTjr Kermit Send hangs" by DEMOAX::MCKENDRY (Nasty, Brutish, and Short) Tue Apr 17 1990 14:51

 I'm having a problem using Kermit within VLTjr (4.226) to send a file
to a local VAXStation 3100 Mod 38. I note that there seem to be a number
of VLTjr users in this conference, so I thought someone might know what
I'm doing wrong. I should admit right off that I'm a beginner at this,
so it may be something Real Dumb...

 The problem is that nothing happens after I tell the VAX Kermit (VMS
Kermit 3.3.117) to Receive File and then click on the VLT Transfer
menu "Send File" function. I would sort of expect to get a file
requester so I could tell it what file to send, but I don't. There's
a second or so of disk activity (this is a 2000HD, and the hard disk
light goes on) and then nothing happens.

 I can receive files O.K., so there's some basic functionality there.
To recover I have to reboot the Amiga, go back into VLT, and select
"Kermit Bye" from the Kermit Functions submenu. This seems to satisfy
whatever the VMS Kermit is waiting for, and it exits and returns me to
DCL.

 Any suggestions? Alternatively, does anyone have the official VLT
documentation on-line somewhere, so I can dig through it myself and
check my work? I know I can get a copy from the author at Stanford,
but I'd rather get something quicker if I can.

-John
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3683.1Host as server?NAVIER::MELLITZTue Apr 17 1990 15:232
    Do you select host as server?
    ...r
3683.2Simple as that?DEMOAX::MCKENDRYNasty, Brutish, and ShortTue Apr 17 1990 15:303
     Nope. I'll do that.
    
    -John
3683.3VLT kermit buggy? Use x modem or zmodemSTAR::ROBINSONTue Apr 17 1990 19:0411
I have a recollection from somewhere (usenet?) that the
VLT kermit upload does not work, or is at least buggy. Someone here may
remember, but I suggest you look at the other VLT notes in this conference
and in AMIGA_SYS_1 and AMIGA_SYS. Probably the best approach is to
figure out how to use something other than kermit for your transfers. 
XMODEM and ZMODEM are considerably faster. 

Documentation is in the VLT ZOO files. You may need to go back a version
or so to get the whole thing. Check out  WGJ::AMIGA:VLT*

Dave
3683.4NAVIER::MELLITZTue Apr 17 1990 19:166
    VLT with Kermit has worked great for me so far. 
    
    For Xmodem with VLTjr what program do I need on the amiga side and what
    is it called in the library? 
    
    ... Rich
3683.5TALLIS::MCAFEESteve McAfeeTue Apr 17 1990 19:204
    Also there is an XPR version of Kermit that might work better.  Should
    be on tape somewhere or in the amiga_binaries notes file.
    
    - steve
3683.6get arp.libraryPEBBLE::mwmMike (Real Amigas have Keyboard Garages) MeyerTue Apr 17 1990 21:5613
It sounds like you don't have arp.library installed. It's pretty much required
for VLT (either flavor) to do anything. Since VLT uses the arp file requester,
that could cause the behavior you're seeing. Check on that.

Note that the XPR/Kermit library is pretty buggy, and I generally get better
results (i.e. - they system doesn't die on me as it sometimes does with
XPR/Kermit).

Likewise, I find that XPR/zmodem sometimes goes into loops when uploading
a large binary file. Downloading works just fine, and small files work
just fine. Have as yet to try a large ascii file.

	<mike
3683.7Frame size/buffers change needed for ZModemFROCKY::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Wed Apr 18 1990 07:3316
    Re: .6
    
    I'll second Mike's remarks about the arp.library and the buggy
    XPR-Kermit.
    
    As far as uploading large (larger >32KB) files using XPR-Zmodem
    (V2.0) is concerned, I had the same problem. I was ready to toss
    the whole thing back into the unholly zoo archive where it came
    from, ;-) until I started to experiment with some of the buffer
    settings in the Zmodem setup. I don't have the exact values handy
    right now (I use Handshake most of the time, since I _need_ that
    VT220 functionality, btw. anybody seen V2.20 of it yet?), but if
    you don't find them out yourself, I'll be glad to fire up VLT and
    take a look.
    
    <CB>
3683.8ThanksDEMOAX::MCKENDRYNasty, Brutish, and ShortWed Apr 18 1990 14:096
     At least I don't feel quite so dumb now. Setting "Host as
    Server" didn't work. My current conjecture is that I need
    RexxArpLib.library to get the file requester. I'm going to
    try that this evening.
    
    -John
3683.9JRComm V0.99ARRODS::GOLDSTEINSSteve G...DTN 847-5415 Wed Apr 18 1990 14:426
    
    	If you want VT100/VT200 and Zmodem why not use JRComm V.99?
    
    	If no one has it I'll Upload it as soon as I get the latest...
    
    		Steve G
3683.10Not so fast...FROCKY::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Wed Apr 18 1990 16:2514
    Re: .9
    
    Thanks for offer, Steve, but you better don't.
    JRComm versions higher 0.94 are copyrighted beta releases, for
    dedicated, registered JRComm users. They're not shareware or public
    domain. 
    And since this is Germany, home of at least a third of all Amigas
    and 80% of all the crackers and pirates, I already was able to take
    a look at the 0.99 version and it doesn't compare to Handshake in
    the VT220 emulation...
    
    Regards,
    
    <CB>
3683.11ThanksVIVIAN::S_GOLDSTEINSteve G...DTN 847-5415 Wed Apr 18 1990 16:487
    
    	Thanks for the info Christian,
    	I wasn't told this but will check it out..
    
    	What is wrong with the emulation..
    
    	Steve G
3683.12get arp.library not RexxArpLib.libraryPEBBLE::mwmMike (Real Amigas have Keyboard Garages) MeyerWed Apr 18 1990 18:5213
re .8 - RexxArpLib.library shouldn't be needed to use VLT. It's a Rexx support
library that allows Rexx programs to access Intuition functions  (started with
arp functions, but grew). You should be able to do upload/downloads via the
transfer menu without having any Rexx functionality at all.

Now, if you're trying to use the Rexx scripts (sendtovax, etc) that come
with VLT, they need RexxArpLib.library.

re .7 - I spent some time playing with the buffer setttings, but never
got anything to work very well at all. I'd be interested in what xpr/zmodem
settings you're using to get reliable uploads.

	<mike
3683.13BBQ::GERAGHTYSimon Geraghty, SydneyThu Apr 19 1990 03:298
    Re: .7
    
    See my note 3690.0 for comment on downloads with Zmodem and losing
    data.
    
    regards
    
    Simon.
3683.14Frame size <> 0FROCKY::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Thu Apr 19 1990 08:3911
    Re: .12
    
    I use a frame size of 512 bytes with my setup, since the 19200 bps
    line to the server is a bit noisy every now and then. Your milage
    may very, but I found it absolutly necessary to the set the frame
    size to something different than 0 (max. 1024). Buffer size can
    be anything you feel comfortable (I use 32KB).
    
    Hope that helps,
    
    <CB>
3683.15Just to let everyone knowDEMOAX::MCKENDRYNasty, Brutish, and ShortFri May 04 1990 14:0811
 Update: I finally discovered the file requester by looking behind
the front screen (CTRL-left_Amiga-N). Auto-screen-to-front doesn't
work with Kermit; I think I read this somewhere in the documentation.

 Having gotten Kermit to work I've switched to XModem anyway, because
Kermit somehow trashes the format of .zoo archives. It took a little
while to find the right combination of switches, but it's working now.

 Thanks to everyone for the help.

-John