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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:	AMIGA NOTES
Notice:	Join us in the NEW conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:	HYDRA::MOORE

Created:	Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:	Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	5378
Total number of notes:	38326

3425.0. "WP/Nec P5200 problem" by CAM::ARENDT (Harry Arendt CAM::) Fri Feb 02 1990 16:19

Hi,

  I am using wordperfect with an NEC Pinwriter 5200.  The NEC is a 24 pin
printer which was donated to the charity that I run so I did not buy it,
and I am not sure I would recommend it.  My problem is with the sheet
feeding system and I wondered if anyone knew about this printer.  The
printer allows for both continuous forms and sheets and has a nice
retractor to dismount the continuous forms and then insert the cut
sheets one at a time.  A cut sheet feeder can be purchased seperatly
however I do not own one.  The problem is with the cut sheets.  Whenever
I feed in a cut sheet I loose a too much space at the top of the document.
Here is how it works; each time a printout begin the printer seems to
advance about 1 inch and then start printing.  This is not a problem
with continuous forms because I set top of form at the lowest possible
position and allow the tractor to move the paper up to the proper position,
in the proccess I allways have to have one full sheet between each printout
so that the paper will engage the bail(rollers that hold the paper to the
roller.  With a single sheet however I must advance it enough to fit under
the bail to start with.  This creates a minimum of a two inch top margin
without having any margin in file.

Here is a crude picture;

Continuouse
form

Bail Lever -->    ======================================================= -----
                                                                          |
Print Head -->    III                                                     1 In
                                                                          |
Lowest Pos -->  ->------------------------------------------------------- -----
                |
Sheet tear point|


______________________________________________________________________________


Sheet

Top of Sheet  __
               |
Bail Lever --> |->======================================================= -----
                                                                          |
Print Head -->    III                                                     1 In
                                                                          |
Lowest Pos -->  ->------------------------------------------------------- -----


  I am using the Epson driver and V1.2 OS, I have heard that the V1.3 has an
NEC P2200 driver, does anyone think that the driver is the problem with the
initial one inch feed that I am seeing?  This 2 inch top margin ( 1 inch for
the bail and 1 inch of built in initial feed) is far too much, it makes the
cut sheet option virtually useless.

Help!!

Thanks in advance

Harry
DTN 238-4313

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
3425.1		HPSCAD::GATULIS	Frank Gatulis 297-6770	`Fri Feb 02 1990 16:53`	15
	Harry, I have a P5200 and I think you're absolutely correct. I don't know how you can possibly avoid the forced 1" margin if you're feeding single sheets. Obviously, continuous feed is no problem. I'll give NEC tech support a call and see what they say about it. I use the NEC_Pinwriter driver (I think that's what it's called) from 1.3. I suspect the Epson driver also works fine as the P5200 does Epson emulation. I just never had a reason to try it. Frank
3425.2	But what about the extra 1"	CAM::ARENDT	Harry Arendt CAM::	`Fri Feb 02 1990 19:04`	12
	Frank, But what about the extra 1" feed that occurs at the begining of my printouts? Does this happen to you? What is the least distance you have been able to achieve from the top of page to the first printed line assuming that the paper is under the bail to start? for me it has been 2 inches, 1 inch to start and 1 inch mystery feed. Harry
3425.3		HPSCAD::GATULIS	Frank Gatulis 297-6770	`Fri Feb 02 1990 20:15`	17
	Harry, I guess I misunderstood. If I work with continuous forms, I move the paper down such that the perforation is at the top of the print head (that gets rid of the first inch). The second MAY be given to you from Word Perfect (I think you mentioned that's what you used). If so, there's probably a word perfect page setup that you can modify so it doesn't give you that first inch. I'm not much help here because I don't have Word Perfect. I use Excellence! which did the same thing but I merely changed its page setup to give a 0.0" margin at the top of page. FYI - Couldn't get through to NEC today. I'll try again Monday. Frank
3425.4	Check page format.	VCSESU::MOORE	Tom Moore MRO1-3/SL1 297-5224	`Sat Feb 03 1990 23:38`	14
	It seems that your 2 inch is conposed of 1 inch to put the paper under the bail and i inch "top margin" supplied by Word Perfect. If you look in the manual under "Page Format"/"Top Margin", you will see how to set it back to 0 rather than 12 half-lines" Also look at the section on Setup Menu to see how to make the setting stick. The one inch margin seems to be quite a standard. My panasonic has the tear bar set at 1 inch. The paper load feature sets the paper at the very top of the form, but only works well on tractor feed because it is tripped by the out of paper sensor and assumes that you can feed a sheet at the same rate the tractors do until the rollers grab it. -Tom-
3425.5	sounds like a form feed	LEVERS::MEYER	Dave Meyer	`Mon Feb 05 1990 21:40`	8
	I've never used the equipment in question but I've suffered through similar problems. In my case it turned out that the printer would stop when it ran out of paper then form-feed (about an inch) when a new sheet was inserted. The solution was a cobble-up of work arounds which by-passed the end-of-paper sensor and insured that it would print a page then wait before printing another. The cut-sheet feeder would likely either bypass the problem or simulate continuous-form paper to eliminate it.
3425.6	Could be top margin. Will check	CAM::ARENDT	Harry Arendt CAM::	`Tue Feb 06 1990 13:33`	10
	re replies I have worked with the top margin however I thought that no margin would be used if I did not specify one in the file. Now I am not so sure, it may be that WP has default settings which must be over ridden. Tonight I will try adding a command to set the top margin to zero half-lines and see if this makes a difference.
3425.7	Problem Solved	CAM::ARENDT	Harry Arendt CAM::	`Tue Feb 13 1990 16:10`	11
	re .6 Yep that was the problem! Once I set the top margin to 0 the feed problem ended. It seems that WP has many built-ins which must be over-ridden. Thanks for the help. Harry