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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

3388.0. "SetClock Error Message" by LEDS::ACCIARDI () Wed Jan 24 1990 13:04

    
    WHile booting my A2000, the command 'SETCLOCK LOAD' returns the message 
    
    	<unset> <unset> <unset>
    
    and the startup-sequence continues to execute without incident;
    however, the clock will display crazy times.
    
    Is my battery dying?  The machine is about 20 months old.
    
    Ed.
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3388.1SetClock fails - try a power cycleAKOV11::SMITHReality, just a visible imagination?Wed Jan 24 1990 13:206
I had a similar problem some months ago.  It cured itself after a power off/on.
It appears the clock was somehow left in a hung state.  If you haven't tried a
power on/off give it a shot.  Otherwise that battery (nicad? lithium?) probably
lost it's jam.

...Ed
3388.2WJG::GUINEAUWed Jan 24 1990 14:098
Ed, I had the same trouble on my 500.

Get to a CLI and issue a TIME and DATE command to set the clock right, 
then do a SETCLOCK OPT SAVE.

This fixed it for me...

John
3388.3FROCKY::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Wed Jan 24 1990 14:139
    Re: .0
    
    If the problem persists after setting the clock with setclock, try
    a "setclock reset" with the Workbench 1.32 setclock version, before
    you heat up that ole soldering iron. 
    
    Regards,
    
    <CB> 
3388.4Known bug.MQOFS::LEDOUXReserved for Future UseWed Jan 24 1990 14:1517
    
    
    This has been discussed before, but this is a known bug with W.B 1.3
    setclock program.
    
    The first fix was a small routine from Germany(?) called CallBack2Life.
    It resets the clock to "0"
    
    And the second fix came from C= in the distribution of WB 1.3.2
    (a new setclock program)
    
    For more info, consult previous notes.
    (I had the same problem you are having.)
    
    If you want the 1.3.2 in zoo, let me know I will upload it for you.
    
    Vince.
3388.5LEDS::ACCIARDIWed Jan 24 1990 14:2910
    
    I'm thinking that it must be a bad battery, since...
    
    1.  I have the 1.3.2 update(s)
    2.  I've done the 'reset' and 'save' options a few times.
    
    Thanks for the help, but I think it's time to heat up the old soldering
    iron.
    
    Ed.
3388.6WAGMILKWY::JANZENTom 228-5421 FXO/28Wed Jan 24 1990 14:5911
    If the way to fix the clock is to power down, since it is
    battery-backed up, you can't power down the clock without pulling out
    the a501 card for a few minutes.  I think this disconnects a loopback
    from the battery tothe circuit, but I'm guessing, since that could
    improve shelf life of the battery but what do I know?
    So try powreing down the computer, pulling out the a501, count to
    1000, put back the a501, power up, set the date (there is no time
    command in the standard release OS 
    as given above) and setclock option save, then setclock option
    load, date.
    Tom
3388.7Reseating the board cured my problemCSC32::K_APPLEMANWed Jan 24 1990 16:048
    re: .0
    
    Had exactly the same problem myself on my A501.  Don't know if that is 
    what you have Ed, but I couldn't clear the problem by doing a setclock	
    opt save.  Pulled the A501 out and checked the battery voltage.  It
    looked OK so I put it back in and it's run fine ever since.
    
    Ken
3388.8Losing 7-12 minutes a day!DECWET::DAVISMark Davis - 206.865.8749Thu Jan 25 1990 00:037
    My clock gains 7-12 minutes a day.  The battery backed clock keeps time
    just fine.  If I do not do a SetClock load daily my system time stamps
    would be rather hosed.  Are there alternate time keeping routines that
    are more accurate than what is used now?  
    
    mark
    
3388.9HPSTEK::SENNAThu Jan 25 1990 05:254
    re: .6 And if you don't have an A501 in your 2000 as Ed probably
    doesn't   8^) !
    
    
3388.10Your clock can be adjustedBOMBE::MOOREBaN CaSe_sEnSiTiVe iDeNtIfIeRs!Thu Jan 25 1990 18:525
    re: .8
    You should be able to calibrate your clock to keep better time.  I
    remember some earlier notes from others who did.  Look back through
    some of the older topics (around 2 years ago?).  Somebody even had a
    program to help check the calibration.
3388.11Wrong jumper?TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersThu Jan 25 1990 19:5828
Re: .10

>    You should be able to calibrate your clock to keep better time...
>    Somebody even had a program to help check the calibration.

I'm the author of that program.  However, it was to calibrate the
battery backed up clock, and .8 reports problems with the line
frequency clock.  So, it'll be no help, I'm afraid.


Re: .8

The non-battery backed up clock is mostly software.  On the the CIA
(complex interface adapters?) chips is the hard ware part of it.
(The Amiga has two CIA chips which control the serial port, the
parallel port, and various system timers.)  The CIA chip counts
the AC current cycles, and the operating system periodically
takes an interrupt, resets the counter, and adds the elapsed time
to the system's time.  This clock does lose time because of lost
cycles during the interrupt servicing, but it is less than a few seconds
a day, I believe.

If you have a 2000, there is a jumper on the motherboard that can cause
the CIA chip to count video vertical sank pulses instead of the line
frequency.  I've heard that one of the symptoms of a misplaced jumper
here is that the line frequency clock runs slightly fast.

The back of the Amiga 2000 owner's manual gives describes the jumpers.
3388.12Time to troubleshoot!DECWET::DAVISMark Davis - 206.865.8749Thu Jan 25 1990 23:306
    Thanks for the info.  I've broken out my system programmers guide and
    rolled my shirt-sleeves back.  I will let you know what I find and do.
    
    mark
    
    p.s. I am using an A500.
3388.13I'm losing(?) time, tooNRMACS::ULSMBStevie the Bee, PMS DevelopmentTue Feb 05 1991 11:1716
    
    I've go a similar problem to .8, except that my clock LOSES 7-12
    minutes per day. (At leats I think it's different. Mark says that he
    gains 7-12 mins, but the title says he's losing 7-12 mins). As in .8,
    the battery backed on the A501 keeps perfect time.
    
    I've had my A500 for 6-8 months now, but only noticed it when I started
    running JR-Comm (maybe it's always been wrong and I only noticed
    because JR-Comm displays the system time for me).
    
    Anyway, any answers/info to .8 would interest me too.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Steve Bee.
    
3388.14CLO::COBURNGrowing older, but not up...Tue Feb 05 1991 15:126
    I've noticed problems with my clock - nothing consistent but it seems
    to be related to downloading - the more I download the further off the
    clock is when I notice the problem. I also use JR-Comm but it certainly
    isn't consistent. I have a 2000 w/ 3Meg and Quantam harddisk.
    
    John
3388.15No downloads, still losingNRMACK::ULSMBStevie the Bee, PMS DevelopmentThu Feb 07 1991 07:5811
    
    I've been keeping a closer eye on my clock since I read this note, and
    I don't think downloading with JR-Comm has anything to do with it. I've
    been running JR-Comm for 2 days now (continuously), but have NOT done
    any downloads. It is now 9:56 am (UK time), but my clock says that it's
    only 9:52.
    
    	Over the weekend, I'll spend 2 days not running JR-Comm, and report
    the results here.
    
    Steve.
3388.16not just JR-comm...MEO78B::MANDERSONPhotographers do it in darkroomsMon Feb 11 1991 07:555
    I get consistant time losses with all comms packages. sort of of the
    order of 1 hour lost in 2 or 3. Get really frustrating.
    
    regards
    kevin