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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
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Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2959.0. "Genlocks and Flicker fixer" by MQOFS::DESROSIERS (Lets procrastinate....tomorrow) Tue Sep 26 1989 12:58

    Last night I installed my new flicker fixer board on my old NEC
    multisync II, the results are great, no more flicker, rock solid...
    
    BUT
    
    the f#@*&%# thing is NOT compatible with a GENLOCK.  I had never
    read anything about this in any of the reviews nor do their ads
    mention this anoying "feature".  Sure as their manual mentions I
    could always unplug the genlock when I don't use it and move the
    monitor cable from the FF to the genlock, but then this would be
    worse than a PC, not only I am moving from multitasking but I have
    to shut everything down to move,unplug, plug.... this is a pain,
    I am going to sell the FF+ the NEC and buy a C= monitor!
    
    Jean
    
    
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2959.1There is a fixELWOOD::PETERSTue Sep 26 1989 13:219
    
    
    	You can buy a small daughter board for the flicker fixer that
    will allow it to work with a genlock. I have seen this board many
    places ( Memory Location, Mail order ... ).
    
    
    	Steve
    
2959.2Fix the Flick. ;-)FRAMBO::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Tue Sep 26 1989 13:5314
    
    Uh, and BTW the Microway FF (I assume we're talking about this thingie)
    does not allow (in any of it's incarnation I've seen) to display
    FULL PAL resolution. I believe it can go only up to 510 scan lines
    without any horizontal overscan. I would happily shell out the money
    for such an item, IF it would support PAL overscan AND did not fiddle
    with the external sync. Yeah, that's right, the Microway FF not
    only blocks the video slot, it uses the external sync signal (probably
    since this eased the design).
    
    Regards,
    
    <CB>
    
2959.3Keep the multisync!TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersThu Sep 28 1989 21:4616
Re: .0

>    I am going to sell the FF+ the NEC and buy a C= monitor!

I recommend that you keep he NEC multisync monitor: an upgrade to the
custom chips is coming that supports new video modes that will only
be available with a multisync monitor.

Also, the Commodore monitors are, at best, only OK.

>    the f#@*&%# thing is NOT compatible with a GENLOCK.  I had never
>    read anything about this in any of the reviews nor do their ads
>    mention this annoying "feature".  

I've read at least one review that pointed out the problem.  But, I
read so many Amiga magazines that I don't remember which one it was.
2959.4Keep both the monitor and the FlickerFixer...there is a fix...AV8OR::GERBERFor more info, call: 800/555-1212Fri Sep 29 1989 12:549
Re: .0

I know that The Memory Location in Wellesley has an upgrade kit for the
FlickerFixer.  This supposedly adds genlock support.  It is a two chip change
or something like that.

If your really having problems, call MicroWay.  The guy there is really nice.

-----Robert
2959.5live and learnMQOFS::DESROSIERSLets procrastinate....tomorrowFri Sep 29 1989 13:577
    I did call TML and the fix for the fixer is $48.  What irks me tough
    is that no mention of this was ever made (that I know of) and their
    ads don't mention it either.  The Amiga being a graphics and VIDEO
    tool, this fact should have been common knowledge at the very least.
    
    Jean
    
2959.6my $.02HPSCAD::GATULISFrank GatulisFri Sep 29 1989 15:5234
    
    While it's true that Microway doesn't mention it in their add, the
    lack of genlock capability along with the fact that is uses up the
    video slot (which may lock out other options) was discussed over
    a year ago in Amiga magazines.  I'm far from an experienced Amiga
    user but I sort of felt the flicker ficker pro's/con's were common
    knowledge.
    
    Before I bought my Flickerfixer I called Microway (very cooperative
    folks) and asked if there were any disadvantages.  The told me:
    
    1. It consumes the video slot, which could be considered a disadvantage
       by some.
    
    2. It's incompatable with Genlocking devices.
    
    3. Because of the way they do frame buffering you get ghosted images
       on fast moving graphics which may be unacceptable to some,
       espicially on video games.  In real life:
    
       - I get the blured pointer almost constantly.  Amount depends
         on mouse speed.  I can get 2 pointer images 3/8" apart if I
         try. To me it's not a big deal.
    
       - It's very noticable (but a fair $$$ compromise to me)
         on fast moving video games. For Example:
           - the banner which comes across the top of the screen in
             the introduction to Hostage is terrible to read. 
           - many of the fast moving screens in Emerald mine are blury.
           - Moving the 2 miner creatures around the maze in Prospector
             often causes them to blur or double immage. The screens also
             blur as they scroll from scene to scene.
           - The ball blurs in Marble Madness if you get it going fast.    
        
2959.7more info on the DEB boardRGB::SCOTTThu Sep 06 1990 21:0412
   re .5(?)

   I called MicroWay (508-746-7341) and spoke to one of their tech support
persons. Apparently, the DEB 2000 board *does* contain the genlock mod,
and goes in the far right side of the A2000 enclosure. It uses about
half of the XT slot space, and doesn't eliminate the use of the bridgecard.

   So I've ordered one from Safe Harbor. Will report on how the installation
goes, and if it works as advertised.

							Rob
2959.8DEB 2000 reviewRGB::SCOTTWed Sep 19 1990 13:4868
      As promised, here's a summary of my experiences with installing the
   MicroWay DEB 2000 board. 

     Installation:

      Installation went fairly well, taking about an hour. It's basically
    a three step process: installing the DENISE extender, installing the
    new video slot, and adjustment. 

      Installing the DENISE extender is not for the faint of heart, as it
   involves removing the DENISE chip, and replacing it with a board that
   fits into the now empty socket. The DENISE chip is then installed on
   the new board. I did have a problem with the board clearing a capacitor
   on my motherboard (rev 4.3). This was easily fixed with judicious use of
   diagonal pliers, by extending the notch already present on the DEB
   board. 

      The new video slot takes up the last Bridgeboard slots. It's installed
   by removing two screws that hold down the motherboard, placing the slot
   board over the holes, and screwing it down with new, longer, screws that
   are provided. A cable is routed along the front of the slot bay to the 
   DENISE extender board. The FlickerFixer video goes to a new bulkhead
   connector at the end of the Bridgeboard slot. 

     The first adjustment procedure involves retuning a variable
   capacitor, and is perhaps the most dangerous in terms of potential
   hardware goof-ups. The instructions call for connecting the FlickerFixer
   to the video slot before it's actually installed on the motherboard,
   laying it  down on a non-conductive surface, and powering up the system.
   This is done so that you can reach the capacitor. In my experience,
   adjusting the capacitor was an unnecessary step, as my monitor (Sony
   CP1302) didn't sync up when I placed the jumper block on J2 (as per
   instructions). The instructions state that this is a "clarity"
   adjustment. 

     A second adjustment procedure is performed after the video slot is
   installed on the motherboard. This is the "phasing" adjustment, and
   involves turning a pot, while displaying a setup screen on the monitor.
   Easy, except that my adjustment tool was too long to fit inside the
   Amiga, and reach the pot.


     General Comments:

     It does work! I can now use the SuperGen and the FlickerFixer at the
   same time. And the video slot is freed up, for future use. (The Toaster,
   perhaps? :-) The instructions were sketchy (no pictures), but adequate.
   One other bit of installation trivia: the connector bracket on the
   FlickerFixer is replaced with a new one. In my opinion, the new bracket
   should have been insulated so that it wouldn't harm the board installed
   next to it. (I made an insulator out of an old IC carrier tube, and 
   taped it on).   

     One thing that I'm not particularly pleased about is that I did 
   have to give up one of the Bridgeboard slots. When I spoke to MicroWay,
   I was lead to believe that a quarter-sized card could still be used, along
   with the DEB 2000. Well, this just isn't true. A quarter card will
   overlap the FlickerFixer by approximately an eighth of an inch, and
   routing the FlickerFixer video cable would be impossible.

							Rob Scott

   P.S. I have to give Safe Harbor a plug - quick shipment, and very low
   prices.

   P.P.S. Watch for my review of VISTA 1.0 from Virtual Reality. Really neat
   stuff!