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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
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Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
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2840.0. "A2000 upgrade/Holland and piracy" by JGO::CHAPMAN () Fri Aug 18 1989 14:42

I have an A2000, that's the old version with 512k in the CPU slot and 
KS1.2.

My understanding from this notes conference and elsewhere is that I can 
upgrade to 1.3, no problem. I can upgrade memory etc. no problem. I can 
upgrade using the processor slot if I throw away 1/2 meg memory. Not sure 
whether I could use something like flicker fixer - this motherboard has 
only one video slot which I believe doesn't carry all the signals (maybe 
somebody can confirm or deny). But most importantly, I believe I won't be 
able to use the ECS when it comes out -right? If so, why?  So, I thought 
I'd ask about an upgrade.

Commodore in Holland told me there is no upgrade policy. End of story. No 
explanation. An authorised Servive Centre told me they could sell me a new 
motherboard for f1700 ($800), ie not much less than a new machine. Oh yes, 
and that is without KS ROMS, you have to buy them elsewhere.

How can Commodore get away with freezing out valued customers like this. 
At least A1000 owners had some sort of deal (probably not in Holland 
though!). Should I be worried about upgrading, given I'd like a new 
autobooting HD in the near future and I'd like to use any new display 
modes. Does anybody know of any upgrade policy in any other country?
(PS. WB 1.3 has been out about 3 months in Holland. Janus upgrade is not 
available in Holland....)

So I phone a shop - give me a price for latest KS ROMS. Certainly that will 
be 1.4 sir. Surely 1.4 isn't out already I say. Yes sir, we have them, it's 
just that "they are not quite as legal as Commodore would like"
These must be pirate beta versions surely. There was an an editorial in the 
new (and only) Dutch Amiga magazine that said that Holland was a land of 
pirates and we had ourselves to blame for the high prices here. It got some 
flack from the readers, but seems to be true.


Does anybody wany to buy an Amiga A2000 ?

Regards

Colin


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2840.1Service to the Amiga community and developersWJG::GUINEAUOpening the doors of PerceptionFri Aug 18 1989 17:4912
> So I phone a shop - give me a price for latest KS ROMS. Certainly that will 
> be 1.4 sir. Surely 1.4 isn't out already I say. Yes sir, we have them, it's 
> just that "they are not quite as legal as Commodore would like"
> These must be pirate beta versions surely. There was an an editorial in the 
> new (and only) Dutch Amiga magazine that said that Holland was a land of 
> pirates and we had ourselves to blame for the high prices here. It got some 
> flack from the readers, but seems to be true.


I'd be nasty and phone this dealer into CBM.

John
2840.2Should I upgrade ?JGO::CHAPMANMon Aug 21 1989 12:3913
    Re .1
    
    Yeah, maybe I would if I had a nice warm feeling towards Commodore.
    
    Re .0
    
    Can anyone tell me definately what I can/can't expect compared to
    a B2000 regarding 1.4, ECS and the video slot.
    
    Thanks
    
    Colin
    
2840.3LEDS::ACCIARDIMon Aug 21 1989 12:536
    
    Hey, what about this 'Rejuvenator' daughterboard for the A1000 that
    will allow the installation of the ECS?  I wonder if it would adapt
    into an A2000...
    
    Ed.
2840.4Yes and screw himFRAMBO::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Mon Aug 21 1989 13:3421
    Re: *
    
    Oh well, seems it's time for my two sub-units of local currency. ;-)
                                                                   
    Colin, you should upgrade. That is, if you think about using the
    ECS, a flicker fixer or professional genlock or the A2620/2630 without
    having to remove the 68000. The "Rejuvenator" will (given that it
    makes it into production) not deliver full B2000 compatibility,
    while being as expansive as the upgrade.
    
    One thing you should really do is to screw that dealer with those
    1.4 ROMs. If those are really 1.4 alpha 14 or alpha 15 ROMs, I could
    arrange having him sued 'till he starts bleeding. 
    And don't let gripes with CBM stop you from doing so. Things like
    this will ruin the Amigas credibility (the alpha versions are just
    that, early, experimental and bugridden). If you care about the
    future of the Amiga, get that sucker.
    
    Regards,
    
    <CB>
2840.5LEDS::ACCIARDIMon Aug 21 1989 13:5627
    
    It seems harsh, but life is full of little 'rip-offs' that burn
    everyone once in a while.
    
    I bought a 1984 Porsche 944 that came with a 143 HP 2.5 litre motor. 
    The 1985 models came out a few weeks later with 163 HP.  My upgrade
    cost would have been about $10,000.  Blah.
    
    I read lots of flames from A1000 owners on PLINK complaining about the
    lack of an upgrade board from Commodore to support ECS and the Video
    and co-processor slots.  The A2000 situation is even more painful,
    since buyers THOUGHT that they were getting 'the fully expandable'
    machine.  But if Commodore spent precious resources trying to keep old
    hardware current, there'd be no budget for development of
    68020/68030/68040 class machines and the whole Amiga line would
    whither.
    
    Commodore is no more uncaring (and has arguably been better than
    average) than Apple or IBM in it's upgrade policies.
    
    You can't upgrade a Mac PLUS into a Mac SE, and you can't upgrade a Mac
    II into a IIcx.  You can't even convert an AT class machine into a
    MicroChannel model.  Obsolescense is the rule, not the exception.
    
    Try to find a buyer who doesn't need full B2000 compatibility.
    
    Ed.
2840.6Tried upgrading a VS2000 to a VS II/GPX, recently?SUBURB::MCDONALDAOld Elysian with a big D.I.C.Mon Aug 21 1989 14:4712
    I agree with .4, you have to get the dealer.
    
    But to your problem. If you sell your A2000 (rev=old) now, you might
    get a good price for it. Buying a new A2000 (rev=new) gets you more
    memory, and the new Agnus chip, and KS 1.3, with a 'no' hassles'
    upgrade when 1.4 and ECS comes out.
    
    All in all, you might find that the cost of buying a new A2000 is
    exactly the same, or cheaper, than trying to upgrade your A2000
    (rev=old).
    
    Angus