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From: anthony@batserver.cs.uq.oz (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.tech,aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Replacement MotherBoard for the Amiga 1000
Keywords: Enhanced Chip Set, chip RAM
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I got this message from a friend:
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: The Replacement MotherBoard for the Amiga 1000
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:
:
: Commodore have been working on the Enhanced Chip Set (ECS) for months now.
: You must have heard about it. One megabyte of chip RAM, Blitter operations of
: up to 32x32K (a 1024 times improvement), a PRODUCTIVITY mode of 512 lines
: (400 NTSC) non-interlaced, a SUPER-HIRES mode of up to 1280 pixels across
: the screen on a standard monitor.
: The software (KickStart 1.4) and hardware to make all this possible is soon
: to be released. Fantastic, right?
:
: Wrong.
:
: Commodore have now made it official that the Amiga 1000 has been dropped.
: The ECS will not work in the 1000. A500/A2000 only. YOU know the 1000 is a
: great machine, I know the 1000 is a great machine, but Commodore?
:
: So now you are considering your options. One megabyte of chip RAM means you
: can now run your drawing program in the 640x512 16 colour mode, and still
: have the undo and alternate page options available to you. 32x32K blits means
: faster operations in graphics programs, games, and any operations that make
: use of the Blitter. And the only way all this is possible is if you sell your
: old, faithful 1000, and buy a 500 or a 2000.
:
: Not so.
:
: Andrew Wilson, the original developer of the popular Proton memory boards,
: now making the even more popular 8-meg memory board, has a design plan for
: a REPLACEMENT Amiga 1000 MotherBoard.
:
: The PHOENIX BOARD will include :
:
: - FULL SUPPORT for the ECS Chip Set.
: - The ability to use your existing expansion connector peripherals.
: - Up to 2 Megabytes of switchable RAM on the main board.
: - Up to 10 megabytes of INTERNAL, switchable autoconfiguring RAM using
: an 8 Meg daughterboard.
: - INTERNAL Real Time Clock and Calendar (500/2000 compatible).
: - Provision for up to three INTERNAL KickStart ROMs, allowing
: SWITCHING between KickStart 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4, including provision for
: INTERNAL KickStart EPROMs allowing customised KickStarts.
: - INTERNAL Disk Drive Connector allowing internal fitting of DF1:, DF2:,
: and DF3: (if fitted in a larger case.)
: - Drive swap switch to allow booting off other disk drives.
: - A500/2000 style switchable Audio Filter.
: - INTERNAL space for a 68881 maths coprocessor.
: - FULL B2000 style VIDEO SLOT.
: - One Amiga 2000 slot, allowing an 2000 board to be plugged in, or a
: 2000 type multi-slot backplane to be used. (Only in a bigger case)
: - Provision for a SCSI Port for Hard Disk, CD ROM etc.
: - BOARD FULLY SOCKETED.
:
: 1 OF 3 1.05
:
:
:
: OTHER FEATURES THAT WILL BE INCLUDED TIME AND SPACE PERMITTING
:
: - Support for 68020/030 and 32 bit RAM/ROM.
: - KickStart in RAM as per existing 1000.
:
: If you have other features that you think should be included, please
: write them down and send to the address below. We will not be able to
: put much more on the board but simple, useful things will be of
: benefit to all.
:
: The expected price of the PHOENIX BOARD is $600 with 1 Meg of RAM. The board
: will also be available bare if possible. A trade-in on the old A1000 is also
: a possibility. The A1000 chips such as the 68000 processor, Denise and Paula
: custom chips and CIAs will be reused to reduce costs, all other chips will
: be supplied.
: The PHOENIX BOARD will be a complete drop in replacement for the existing
: motherboard and will enable you to continue to use your existing external
: hardware. We will maintain the position of the 68000 chip in relation to the
: case internal fittings so that internal memory boards should still work but
: actually trying these will depend on their availability to us. The advantage
: of retaining the A1000's keyboard, power supply and mouse will be apparent to
: all who have compared theirs to the 500/2000 setup.
: There is a possibility of a local installation point in each state, so you
: will be without your computer for the least possible time if you do not feel
: confident to install the board yourself. We welcome inquiries from suitably
: skilled individuals or organisations to do this work.
: The PHOENIX Board will suit all model Amiga 1000s, not just the NTSC versions,
: and is a local, AUSTRALIAN MADE product.
:
: There is one hitch. Andrew Wilson currently has over twenty products in
: development, including an Audio/Video Digitiser, Colour Splitter, FAX Board
: for the Amiga, SCSI Board, 68020/68881 Board, A500 Internal 2 Meg board,
: and a Board allowing Workbench in ROM. As well as all this, he is also
: struggling to keep up with the demand for his 8 megabyte memory boards,
: hard drives, and other products. At present, Andrew is doing all the work
: himself, and as a result, development has a low priority. Of course, the
: PHOENIX BOARD is on the top of the list, but if present trends continue, it
: could never eventuate. That's why we need YOUR help.
:
: We have formed a company, SPANDUCT PTY. LTD., soon to be renamed PHOENIX
: MICRO TECHNOLOGIES PTY. LTD., that will employ people to assemble, test and
: market Andrew's present products, leaving Andrew to work on development.
: The first project of the company will be the PHOENIX BOARD. Development time
: for the PHOENIX BOARD is expected to be three to four weeks from commencement.
: If you would seriously be interested in investing in the PHOENIX BOARD,
: and increasing the potential of your Amiga 1000 to beyond that of even the
: Amiga 2000, please consider helping us.
:
: Place a $100 deposit on the board with us, and in less than three months, you
: could have a new computer sitting on your desk. Of course, if enough people do
: not place this deposit with us, the board will never eventuate, and the
: A1000 will fade into insignificance. People placing deposits with the company
: will receive a 20 percent discount on the price of their PHOENIX BOARD.
: Orders will be filled in the order in which they are received, ie first come
: first served. A closing date for deposits has been set at the 30th of November
: 1989 at which time we will be able to assess demand and make a decision on
: the viability of continuing with the project.
: All deposits will be refunded if, due to lack of response, we do not go
: ahead with the PHOENIX BOARD project. Once work has started no refunds will
: be possible.
: The sooner you place your deposit, the sooner it will all happen.
: Please consider helping us. You will really be helping yourself.
:
: 2 OF 3 1.05
:
:
:
:
: Contact Andrew Wilson on : (08) 293-3960 (6.00-7.00pm Except Friday)
:
: or write to : 2 Meredyth Avenue
: Millswood
: South Australia 5034
:
: Send Deposits and Orders to : Spanduct Pty Ltd
: P.O. Box 41
: Goodwood
: South Australia 5034
:
:
: *****
:
: TO ENSURE THAT THE AMIGA 1000 SURVIVES INTO THE NEXT DECADE, PLEASE
: CONSIDER THE ABOVE PROPOSITION. AND PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS DOCUMENT AS
: WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.
:
: *****
:
:
: ROSS MOLDEN.
:
:
: JONATHAN POTTER.
:
:
: ANDREW WILSON.
:
:10/10/89 Version 1.05 Subject to upgrade and improvement as the project advances
:Prices are approximate but should not vary by more than 10%.
:
:------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:Please complete this form and forward with your payment to the above P.O. Box.
:------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:
:I, _____________________________, wish to register an interest in the
:
:PHOENIX BOARD project by placing a deposit for ___ PHOENIX BOARD(S) at $100
:
:each. I enclose a cheque/money order for $______.
:
: Yours sincerely,
:
: _______________________
:
:
: Address : ___________________________________________
:
: ___________________________________________
:
: Phone (work) : ___ _______ (home) : ___ _______
:
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:
: 3 OF 3 1.05
:
Sounds good doesn't it but before I spend money I would like to know
if anyone else have heard of this before. Better still anyone in
South Australia care to comment or to ring Andrew Wilson.
Please reply by email
I might followup later if there's enough response.
cheers Anthony
Anthony Lee (Humble PhD student) (Alias Time Lord Doctor)
ACSnet: anthony@batserver.cs.uq.oz TEL:(+617) 3712651
Internet: anthony@batserver.cs.uq.oz.au (+617) 3774139 (w)
SNAIL: Dept Comp. Science, University of Qld, St Lucia, Qld 4067, Australia
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| 2820.2 | I'm there ! | NOTIBM::MCGHIE | Thank Heaven for small Murphys ! | Sat Nov 04 1989 03:12 | 10 |
| Hi Guys,
would you believe this guy is literally just around the corner from
Digital's offices ?
Anyone want me to follow him up ?
Regards
Mike
Adelaide, Australia
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| 2820.3 | Do It! | NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Sun Nov 05 1989 00:49 | 13 |
| RE: 2820.2
Mike,
> would you believe this guy is literally just around the corner from
> Digital's offices ?
>
> Anyone want me to follow him up ?
*REALLY* Mike, Need you ask???????
Thanks,
-SES
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| 2820.4 | Yes please...... | POLAR::GOSLING | | Mon Nov 06 1989 13:53 | 11 |
|
I second the request - please check this out!!
Also, could you please ask - I read and re-read .2 and it wasn't
clear to me - if the $600 (and $100 deposit) is U.S. $'s or
Australian $'s.
Thanks
Art
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| 2820.5 | expand the 1000 | POLAR::RIDGE | | Mon Nov 06 1989 15:11 | 4 |
| I am very interested in this. Like Art, what is the currency so that I
can mail the checque.
Harry
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| 2820.6 | Keep 'em coming ! | AMIGA2::MCGHIE | Thank Heaven for small Murphys ! | Tue Nov 07 1989 06:37 | 27 |
| Hi,
just speaking to Andrew Wilson,
the Pheonix board seems to be alive and well.
He's has had lots of response, but of course will take as much support
as he can get.
Prices posted are Aussie dollars, which makes the price look pretty
attractive to you people in the states, england etc.
He says he's 99% sure of going ahead now. The number of people
interested has been good and hes probably going to try and organise
venture capital once the order count is in.
So for any of you people interest let me know and I'll give him a
count of interest Digits in a few days !
Regards
Mike
P.S.
He makes expansion boards, boxes etc and is sending me a price list
in the mail, so I'll post those when I get them.
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| 2820.7 | Me, too !!! | NBOSWS::FRIES | | Tue Nov 07 1989 11:42 | 10 |
| I'm VERY interested.
But there are two questions:
1. How can I get this board in Germany (Do You need a deposit)?
2. What are 600 Australien $s in US$ or German Marks?
<CB>, do You know something about that?
regards
Gerald
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| 2820.8 | PHOENIX VS REJUVENATOR | POLAR::GOSLING | | Tue Nov 07 1989 12:39 | 19 |
| > <<< Note 2820.1 by BAGELS::BRANNON "Dave Brannon" >>>
> -< looks like he found somebody to market it >-
I couldn't find AGNUS1000.ZOO to verify the fact (I lost my sheet
of paper describing the NORSE directory structure), but I am
assuming it contains the thread associated with Greg Tibbs
Rejunvenator (also discussed in a recent AC article).
If my assumption is correct - and given I don't see any reference
to Tibbs in .1, and given some of the features of the PHOENIX
board are different than those described by Tibbs - is the PHOENIX
board indeed the Tibbs board or a 'clone'?
Not that it really matter - just that I would like to satisfy my
curiosity. Maybe there are indeed 2 A1000 motherboard
replacements on the horizon!!!
Art
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| 2820.9 | Me Too | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Tue Nov 07 1989 13:46 | 6 |
| I'm also very interested in upgrading my 1000. Count me in.
Could we possibly arrange for a single "bulk" buy for the stateside
DEC contingent?
len.
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| 2820.10 | Me Three | BAGELS::BRANNON | Dave Brannon | Tue Nov 07 1989 15:11 | 3 |
| I'm also interested.
-Dave
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| 2820.11 | Another Ya | DAZED::GIUFFRIDA | | Tue Nov 07 1989 16:04 | 5 |
|
You can count me in.
Joe
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| 2820.12 | just say yes! | NOBHIL::BODINE_CH | | Tue Nov 07 1989 18:44 | 2 |
| Interested!
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| 2820.13 | | AMIGA2::MCGHIE | Thank Heaven for small Murphys ! | Tue Nov 07 1989 23:46 | 20 |
| Hi People,
The Aussie dollar is typically below that of US$, DM, and Pounds
Sterling.
The board does not exist yet. That's why he's asking for deposits etc,
so he can fund the project (he's developing other things too) and also
really see how many genuinely interested parties there are out there.
It is not a Clone of the board being sold in the US. Apparently that is
simply a daughter board, the Pheonix board is a TOTAL motherboard
replacement.
Regards
Mike
P.S.
I'll keep checking this note daily till Friday my time and give the
guy a call and give him the count of interested people and see if I can
get further info.
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| 2820.14 | | NBOSWS::FRIES | | Wed Nov 08 1989 05:16 | 6 |
| Sorry, but what are 600 Aussie dollars in US$?
Is it worth buying this board or should I sell my 1000 and buy a
2000 ????
Gerald
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| 2820.15 | calculate, think ....decide | FRAIS2::ZIMMERMANN | NCP> DEF MOD WORK DEST NL: | Wed Nov 08 1989 11:07 | 8 |
| Hi Gerald,
600 "Aussi-Bucks" are DM 840,- today. I think it's not worth to
buy, IF you can sell your A1000 for ~ DM 1.000,- because a new
A2000B costs about 1.800 - 1.900,-
Ralf
====
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| 2820.16 | another argument | NBOSWS::FRIES | | Wed Nov 08 1989 11:58 | 8 |
| re .15:
Thanks, Ralf
The problem is my hard disk (40MB X-tension) that can't be used
with an A2000. The 2000 has no expansion slot, I think.
Gerald
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| 2820.17 | currently about $us1=$a0.77 | UBEAUT::MANDERSON | Monday oneday, Tuesday the next | Wed Nov 08 1989 19:06 | 5 |
| At the moment the exchange rate is around $us1 = $a0.77 so the $a600 is
under $us500. It has been quite stable at that rate for some time.
regards
kevin
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| 2820.18 | | NAC::BRANNON | value added | Wed Nov 08 1989 20:43 | 5 |
| Then I'm interested too. I don't consider the A500 a good replacement
for the A1000 and the price jump to a A2000 is too much.
regards,
dennis
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| 2820.19 | Wow! | DECSIM::GILLETT | The subject is the object...DTN 225-7172 | Fri Nov 10 1989 22:40 | 3 |
| I, too, am very interested in the board. I also agree that we
should try to put together a bulk shipment for the stateside
contingent.
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| 2820.20 | Price List | NOTIBM::MCGHIE | Thank Heaven for small Murphys ! | Sat Nov 11 1989 01:18 | 240 |
| Here is Andrew Wilson's product/price list.
For you people overseas (the bulk of you) the postal information probably isn't
too relevant. I don't think Australia Post has international courier services.
If any of the prices look really odd let me know as I may have miskeyed a digit.
Regards
Mike
AMIGA PERIPHERALS
=================
* = Price Variation from Previous Price List
* Memory board 512K to * Megabyte, switchable Autoconfigure, Passthru, to suit
500, 1000. Please specifiy. NonAuto version available.
0K ....................$ 398
512K ....................$ 518
1MEG ....................$ 638
2MEG ....................$ 878
4MEG ....................$1358
8MEG ....................$2318
Clock option ....................$ 85
Upgrade to disk shipped with board..........$ 5
8m2 PAL to expand over 2meg..............NO CHARGE
Chips Only Fitted
Upgrade 512K to 1MEG ........ $100 $120
Upgrade 512K to 2MEG ........ $300 $360
Upgrade 1MEG to 2MEG ........ $200 $240
Other sizes can be worked out from this at 8 chips/Megabyte and $25 per
chip or $30 fitted.
All boards expandable to 8meg. SCSI Port and Battery backing of 8MEG
options under development. DRAM prices are falling so populated board prices
will vary monthly. Ring to check latest prices.
* AM501 Board. 512K Internal for A500. Uses 1MEG CMOS Chips, Small, Low Power.
With ON/OFF switch included.
512K only ....................$ 180
512K and clock ....................$ 219
Clock only, memory can be fitted later......$ 60
* AM560 Subsystem. Fits under A500 and contains 8MEG Baord, Hard Disk,
Interface and Power Supply. The A500 is powered by the AM560 so that
the 'brick' is no longer necessary. Whisper fan cooled similar to
A1000.
Box only ....................$ 50
Box and power supply ....................$ 150
Hard Disk Interface, Box & power supply.....$ 395
40Meg Hard Disk, Interface, Box & power supply....$1040
Prices with memory are as above plus 8 meg memory board prices e.g. 4 meg
plus Box/Power = $1358 + $150 = $1508.
Price of 40Meg hard drive is based on 40 Meg NEC voice coil,
cheaper drives can be used but reliability may suffer.
* Autoconfigure for early 'Proton' style boards, switchable - may be
disabled without unplugging board.
Complete requires soldering to main board...$ 70
Installed ....................$ 85
Additional 1 Meg upgrade board .............$ 298
Clock kit requires soldering ...............$ 60
Fitted ............................$ 80
Hard Disk for A500, A1000 uses IBM type controller card. Up to 2 drivers with
extra power supply and cabling.
Interface, Controller, Box power supply(w/out drive) $ 350
Typical price of single 20meg complete ..............$ 880
Typical price of single 40meg complete ..............$ 950
Autoboot option avail. OCT '89 ......................$ 120
Add an extra $50 for extra power supply on A500.
Larger sizes to 100Meg/DRive available.
Disk Drives 3.5" 880K equiv to Amiga 1010 drives.
Single Drive .................................$ 248
5.25" 880K equiv to Amiha 1010 Drives. with autodiskchange etc.
Use 50 cent disks instead of $2.50 ones.
Single Drive .................................$ 298
5.25" 440K equiv to Amiha 1020 Drives.
Single Drive .................................$ 285
All drives now have disable switch, no need to unplug to disable.
Drive swap switch. To allow external 880K 5.25" or 3.5" disk to DF0: and
therefore used to boot disk. Specify DF1,2 or 3 when ordering.
Complete ready to fit ...............................$ 30
Installed ...............................$ 50
Disk drive switch box. To disconnect drives without having to unplug them
to get extra memory also stops clicking when empty...........$ 35
Printer Port adapters. Make A500 parallel port like A1000 or A1000 look like
A500. Use IBM printer cable on A1000 or Digiview on A500. Specify type
when ordering .................................$ 22
Input/Output Board. Plugs into parallel port. 8 channel 8 bit AtoD, relay
driver, digital input & output lines with driver software for use with
all common languages.
Shortform kit ...............................$ 80
Kit including parts ...............................$ 120
Assembled ...............................$ 160
Kickstart board for A500. Allows 1.2 and 1.3 to be installed at the same time
and you switch between them as required. Does not include ROMS.
Assembled ...............................$ 30
Installed ...............................$ 50
A500 internal memory switch. Disconnects A501 512K expansion cartridge without
having to unplug. .................................$ 5
Kickstart in ROM. Kicstart in ROM and 256K extra memory for A1000. Allows
loading of Kickstart 1.1/1.2 and otional relocking of WCS.
and you switch between them as required. Does not include ROMS.
Kit - you MUST KNOW how to desolder multilayer boards$ 110
Installed ...............................$ 150
********************************************************************************
Products under immediate development - Available soon (6 to 10 weeks approx.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Memory board 512K to 2Megabyte,switchable autoconfigure, passthru, to suit
500,1000. Please specify. Nonauto version available. Expandable to
4 Megabytes with daughter board. All CMOS low power design.
0K ....................$ 248
512K ....................$ 389
1MEG ....................$ 529
2MEG ....................$ 809
0K Daughterboard ....................$ 99
2Meg Daughterboard ....................$ 680
A500 Internal memory board, replaces A501 board. 512K to 2Meg with clock.
Over 512K requires additional internal wiring. All CMOS low power design.
512K ....................$ 290
1MEG ....................$ 430
2MEG ....................$ 710
Audio Digitizer, stereo. Plugs into parallel port, with passthru.
Avail OCT '89
Kit without case ...............................$ 60
Assembled ...............................$ 100
Video colour splitter. Splits composite video into RGB for use with Video
Digitisers and framegrabbers etc.
...............................$ 150
Video Digitizer ...............................$ 90
Expansion Port I/O Board similar to previous I/O board but on exp. port.
Shortform kit ...............................$ 95
Kit including parts ...............................$ 180
Assembled ...............................$ 220
Autoconfig "Cheat" Board. Allows you to autoconfig memory boards etc that
are nonauto .............................................$ 120
PHOENIX Board. Fat/Obese AGNUS Motherboard for A1000. To allow upgrade to
1 MEG of graphics RAM. Provision for 2meg on baord, B2000 Video slot,
68881 socket, realtime clock, kickstart in ROM, fully socketed, sockets
for SCSI Port and many other features.
Bare board and instructions .....................$ 150
Complete board with 1Meg RAM less chips in A1000.$ 600
Battery backed autoconfigure RAM/ROM board. To allow autobooting from software
stored on board. .....................................$ 180
8 Megabyte Memory for A/B2000. Switchable Autoconfigure, fully socketed
500, 1000. Please specifiy. NonAuto version available.
0K ....................$ 258
512K ....................$ 370
1MEG ....................$ 490
2MEG ....................$ 730
4MEG ....................$1210
8MEG ....................$2170
Autoboot Hard Disk interface.
A500/A1000 to A2000 board adapter.
Future products Video Digitiser/Framegrabber ---- Robotics - I/O modules
68020/68881 Board ---- SCSI hard disk interface
Battery backed static RAM - FAX board and scanner.
Andrew Wilson ...... Phone (08) 2933960
2 Meredyth Avenue, Millswood SA 5034
Postal Address : P.O. Box 41, Goodwood SA 5034.
THIS PRICE LIST SUPERSEDES ALL PREVIOUS PRICES LISTS. E&OE.
PRICES OF PRODUCTS UNDER DEVELOPMENT MAY VARY.
Please check product availability before ordering.
Prices do not include postage, packing or insurance.
Despatch is by Australia Post Express Courier. $15 for first 3 KGS +
$6/KG over 3KG.
Insurance is $1 per $100 of value. Packing is $5 to $30 depending on weight.
If you do not wish to insure then transport is entirely at your own risk.
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| 2820.21 | where is file? | POTS::VISSER | | Wed Dec 27 1989 19:31 | 12 |
| r.e.: .0:
may wish to read this. It's on NORSE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]AGNUS1000.zoo
John
%COPY-E-OPENIN, error opening NORSE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]AGNUS1000.ZOO;
as input
-RMS-E-FNF, file not found
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